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FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
ILLA, egza, Ozer Wrzl (EN) and 794 other people liked this
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- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- Marina Remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
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- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WorldofHiglet
:(((
- Oğuz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
:(
- Helen Sventitsky
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- Barış (beyn.org)
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
we need a new way
- سِــمیرامیس
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- © D/\\/IIID ℠ ®
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- ramin
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
No words for that...
- Frank
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete Delucchi
:(
- Russ Jackson
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- C o n f o r m i s t
Thnaks :)
- Exir
این چی میگه؟
- Lord hozeh
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ali
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ali
:((
- AJ Batac
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- emin
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
:(
- Caroline
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران kheyzaran
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com
- ★amin.m★
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- مـهدی معتمد
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FKU
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- Steve C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
بیا بالا ای فید من
- egza
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
ای بابا این فید رو شخم زدن :))
- egza
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- ramin
jeddi?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
آره حامد آمارشو قبلا در آورده ام
- egza
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
حامد اینجا رو ببین http://friendfeed.com/amirsem...
- egza
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
بعد از این فید که هستمی این http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... در رده دوم لایکه ,اینجا شش هزار و خورده ای کامنت داره http://friendfeed.com/ideali... این فید از فارسی زبانان فرفر همین نیما خودمون http://friendfeed.com/nimaa... در لایک 204 تا این هم از آیدا http://friendfeed.com/elaheye... بیشتر از 2400 کامنت داره
- egza
Health insurance companies are "making record profits, right now."
Barack Obama on Wednesday, July 22nd, 2009 in a press conference - http://politifact.com/truth-o...
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There are many ways to look at a company's earnings, but Obama said "profits," so we looked at net income, which is revenue minus expenses. For the quarter, UnitedHealth earned $859 million. But that's not a record for quarterly net income. During the same period in 2007, for example, its net income was $1.23 billion.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from Bookmarklet
And nobody cares, 'cause he's Obama...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Maybe "right now" was a poor choice of words, but I think his point remains valid: that it's difficult for many Americans to provide adequate health insurance for their families.
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan, "Record Profit," "Right Now," are both false and you defend him...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
If someone, anyone, can come up with how to insure the 44m uninsured Americans, we could move on and talk about something else
- Dave Hodson
I defend him because you've posted 5 words out of one of his speeches. Where's the context? At least he's trying to do something to ease the financial burden that burgeoning medical bills place on a very large number of Americans. I've known several people driven to bankruptcy because of medical bills because of the very fact that they were denied coverage by their insurers. If you're "too sick" for health insurance to apply to you, there's something wrong with the system.
- Bryan Zirkel
I hate these types of fact checks because they pick on a single phrase while ignoring the larger context.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Like I wrote in the second comment... At least we know ether is free for everyone who wants it...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
You're right, John, we should just ignore those pesky facts. They seem to get in the way of a lot of Presidents.
- Glen Mistletoe
from iPod
Even the article you link to makes more sense through the inclusion of context: ""There have been reports just over the last couple of days of insurance companies making record profits, right now," Obama said during a prime-time press conference. "At a time when everybody's getting hammered, they're making record profits, and premiums are going up. What's the constraint on that? ... Well, part of the way is to make sure that there's some competition out there.""
- Daniel J. Pritchett
That said this is eerily similar to the Bush admin's attempts to insinuate that Iraq was behind 9/11. Let's not say it outright, but we can imply it in a speech adjacent to an isolated factoid.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, there should be constraints on profit because:___________________
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Hey, I just admitted he's wilfully linking a single factoid with a broader narrative he's painting about evil insurers. I am not specifically in favor of profit limitation so much as I am in favor of giving everyone in the country access to basic health care.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
LOL Fair enough!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Mark, it might help if you reviewed more than a single healthcare provider before making such a broad statement. See this 2008 article "Cigna has announced that it saw an 80 percent drop in first-quarter profits over the same quarter last year [2007], with earnings of $58 million this time versus $289 million one year ago."...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Not arguing that, Tina. Just posting in hopes of stimulating discussion.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
a.k.a. "stirring the shit"
- Joe Silence is not dead
And I'm discussing =) You said he made a patently false statement, but you based that opinion on the results of the profits of a single health care provider. But heck, let's run with that: what were UnitedHealth's 2nd quarter profits in 2008? Per http://www.twincities.com/busines... they were $337 million. So they doubled up on their profits this year over last year (again, in a crappy economy).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Since his statement is not patently true, either.... Yes, United seems to be fairing well "in these troubled economic times (TM)" but still no where near a record. Perhaps you would make a better argument if you try to convince me that this is a result of a stimulus package...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I get it, let's focus on a single statement to try and distract everyone from focusing on the real issue at hand - very Rovian of you MVB! Props!!
- Dave Hodson
So basically you're griping because he spoke like a politician, making a statement that isn't patently true or false.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Nope. I'm griping because there is a vast majority that believe everything he says without question.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I'll agree to 'vast number', but not 'vast majority'. On the flip side, there's *also* a vast number (again: "number" not "majority") that will flat out disagree and disparage everything he says 'without question'. And depending upon where you live in the US the latter group will far outnumber the former. I'm not really sure what the illogical behavior of a specific portion of the population (on either side of the coin) has to do with the actual discussion at hand.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@MVB - that is pretty funny. Let's keep pushing that "Chosen One" meme!
- Dave Hodson
I'll agree to changing 'majority' to 'number.'
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
LOL! Motion carried then, Mark.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Back from lunch. I second the motion. I didn't see it seconded, which it usually needs to be in order to be carried. ;)
- Bryan Zirkel
I was bending the rules a bit, Bryan, both proposing and giving an 'aye' to the suggestion and using Mark as a second. But in the interest of keeping things orderly, we'll do it the proper way =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'd like to file for an extension.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Natural links are better than non-natural - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog...
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There's a reason I follow 100,000 on Twitter and 25,000 on friendfeed: I get to see patterns no one else is seeing. Here's some:
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I saw the Chinese earthquake while it was happening. 45 minutes before CNN.
- Robert Scoble
I see that Bing is gaining steam today.
- Robert Scoble
I saw that people were frustrated on Saturday with CNN.
- Robert Scoble
The Matrix?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: in a way, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I see new software, services, ideas before most other people.
- Robert Scoble
How do you deal with the noise?
- Kevin Lim
How do you filter out all the noise? I find myself constantly unfollowing people to make Twitter more relevant.
- Michelle
I've noticed this effect in just following 40 or 50 more people on Twitter.
- Bill Kinney
And I get to see how they react to news, like Opera's new browser this morning.
- Robert Scoble
The Robert Scoble version of "Google Earth"
- Pete Blackshaw
Big Brother style
- Richard Lai
So that's like "Scoble trends" :) Like Twitter trends, but for emerging events.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Jinx.
- Michelle
Michelle: noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers.
- Robert Scoble
So effectively you start a topic on Twitter, and then use friendfeed as a chat room?
- Richard Lai
i follow almost 60,000 on twitter now and love it. totally agree scoble.
- Jason Pollock
Hoping for some improvements to Tweetdeck groups - just not enough yet
- Kirsten Hamstra
yeah but how do you SEE the patterns, you cannot read them all do you?
- Hans Mestrum
You should be talking about all the spammers on Twitter because that is the trend
- paul mooney
Robert is our filter, we follow robert who sees the patterns and reports it back.
- Ray Slakinski
Here's a hint: I don't always follow 125,000 people. In friendfeed I have lists of only 150 people. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE NOISE.
- Robert Scoble
He has a socket in the back of his head ;-)
- Richard H
Also, in friendfeed I can remove noise by displaying only items that have gotten a like. Like this: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Thank goodness we have you, Robert, to do that, so we don't have to.
- Jason Mayoff
make sense following "likes"
- Hans Mestrum
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
Brian: that is true. My like feed at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... is pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
so robert - could you be an android ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Robert you are awesome! ★
- weirdchina
@scobleizer I want to see the matrix also... still several K from where you are.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, do you read http://friendfeed.com/public also?
- bnoise
i follow more on ff
- junrxu
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
Hmmm, why is http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... faster than http://friendfeed.com/public ?
- Greg Byrne
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
You are so right!
- Thomas Chai
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Matt, I think that video is this one: HOw I Read Tweets: http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
No doubt...
- Thor
Nice post :-) Two questions though:
- Patrick Mackaaij
1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
This is how I tell other people about Robert: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009... and it's how I'm slowly patterning web learning (when I have time to interact and learn)
- Mark Essel
Scoble Earth(TM), Pete Blackshaw? ;)
- Tyson Key
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
Robert, you are a living, breathing supernode, and I thank you for it :-) (Supernodes: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-95...)
- Andy Bold
makes sense 2 me
- Ron Hagenhoff
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Anderson
Robert, I'm having a jelly sandwich for lunch tomorrow. ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
böring
- yazarcizer
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
Wow, that's a clever use of the platforms!
- gareth【ツ】
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
Patrick, the imports may be duplicate URLs or pictures or whatever, but the conversation around them could be different. I see this as a good thing, and it show me two things. (1) it is an intersection of the different groups and types of people that I subscribe to. (2) it can be different nationalities in different timezones. Ie, of a more global interest. Bothe are good pieces of data for me.
- Andy Bold
from email
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: Use friendfeed and click "subscribe"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
Liberal use of smileys helps avoid misunderstandings. :-)
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Smileys are the new punctuation =)
- Ryan Massie
I know of an english teacher that is already teaching kids that smilies are replacing a lot of punctuation and context in sentences.
- alphaxion
This is where I want to :) say :D something really incendiary :D with liberal smileys :O
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
a lot of people are too young to know <g> as the proto smiley, so I've stopped using it. actually, even though it's pre-hypertext, it looks like HTML. what meaning does that assign to </g> ?
- Michael Calore
from BuddyFeed
Cool. @johnnygoldstein took visual notes of my #140conf talk http://twitpic.com/7kekb closeup: http://twitpic.com/7kerh (thx @arjanbasu)
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State Department to Twitter: Keep Iranian tweets coming. http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009...
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When I subtitled my book, "Democracy, the Internet and the Overthrow of Everything," I meant everything http://joetrippi.com/blog... #iranelection
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Next time I do a conf, I'm giving everyone in the "audience" signs they can hold up: "Dude! No one cares!" so the speaker can see.
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HAHAAHAH
- Allen Stern
The 2010Web version of throwing rotten tomatoes?
- jcunwired
Is the 140conf pretty boring? I gave up when the official stream involved some god awful exe plugin to be installed. What a nonsense.
- David Lloyd
Time for another Dave Winer conference? Is that what I heard - still waiting for Hypercamp!
- Bill Rice
could have used that at SXSW this year, cept it would say "Dude! We've been doing that for years already"
- andy brudtkuhl
Dan Shafer, who ran CNET's Builder.com Live (the conference you spoke at that got me into blogging) handed out clickers so that if a speaker started going too commercial you'd click it. The speaker got the point pretty quickly. Mark: the 140conf reminds me of Dave's earlier bloggercons. Except Dave had magic: he got the audience involved. Of course we all can talk back with our new tools in real time (I'm sitting in front row).
- Robert Scoble
If you want a live feed, see my friendfeed: http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Could have used one today at #ommamobile
- Karma Martell
nice nice
- courtneyrose
You can watch the #140conf events here: http://www.140conf.com/watchit and http://search.twitter.com/search...
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Robert, I wish there was an "unlike" option. Because this Rayv stream is simply not working today.
- Andrew Pass
or here: http://140conf.twazzup.com/
- Orli Yakuel
why do we need to download a plugin to watch it live? why oh why?!
- Orli Yakuel
Orli, in any case the Live Broadcast is dead.
- Nir Ben Yona
RayV has not worked all morning
- Jose Castillo
Just heard your laugh on the Bambuser stream - :)
- Jose Castillo
I absolutely agree with @timoreilly that the key to this new world is to create more value than you capture. Focus on serving community.
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Didn't O'Reilly also say that he doesn't use Twitter to promote his own products? (cf http://thenextweb.com/2009...) I guess all those tweets tagged #TwitterBook were serving the community, then?
- Brian McNely
This has been the key to all worlds, past and present, and yes, it'll be the future too.
- Patricia
Yet the ideal of most is to find/create a giant reservoir of resources and drain it for their own gain. Giving good for evil or "value production" isn't all that popular.
- Todd Hoff
Yes. give more than you receive and it comes back 10 fold.
- ClaudiaBroome
This should be told to the children in school from the very beginning :)
- Ashalynd
According to Andrew Sullivan, Twitter is playing a role in connecting protests in Tehran. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
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Great source, thanks Dave
- Mark Essel
tr.im is not responding for me: here's the daily dish link: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Scott Thompson of Paypal notes that Paypal technology breakthrough was in computerized risk management. #wiredlive Thought-provoking.
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Motivating a Sales Team - http://bettercloser.com/sales...
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There never was a better time to brush up on tips to motivate a sales team!
- Bill Rice
I don't think these guys running Twitter and Facebook have ever really seen a user revolt. I have been on the receiving end of a few.
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Software Company Prime Directive #1: Please the user or uncontrollably alter your future.
- Bill Rice
Directive #2: See Directive #1
- Gregg Morris
Huh? Hasn't Facebook survived numerous uproars?
- Bruce Lewis
Facebook has seen millions of users revolt against every single major design change they have ever made. They have been at the ugly end of revolts over their revised terms of use, of major feature additions, of mass exodus of thousands of users over their draconian content policies-- and that's just to name *some*. They've survived them all.
- Curtis Schweitzer
The one that forces them to back down will be the one that tips it over. This may not be the one. But eventually it will happen. Imho.
- Dave Winer
And they will continue to survive. AOL's dial-up network is still operating. I'm sure if Apple wanted to they could still be selling Apple II's. Very few businesses just end. But the next generation comes and cuts their growth. That also is certain to happen at some point if it hasn't already happened.
- Dave Winer
Like It Or Not, Twitter Is Becoming Infrastructure. http://regulargeek.com/2009...
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Not sure what I think about that - their track record has been so poor on reliability, however, their openness (API) has been incredible
- Dave Hodson
If our infrastructure (gas, water, electric, telecom, etc) were as unreliable as Twitter, there'd be riots in the streets.
- Ken Camp
Ten Ways To Decide If Your Business Should Tweet! http://www.marketersstudio.com/2009...
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Great @SmartHippo coverage in WSJ Blog http://blogs.wsj.com/wallet... on getting a Better Mortgage Deal @georgefavvas (via @chrisarsenault)
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Rebooting The News #12. Imho our best show yet. 41 minutes. http://rebootnews.com/2009...
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www.inberkeley.com--smart and significant!
- Bill Rice
Seth Godin is the top social media blogger? Give me a break. He doesn't participate. Chris Brogan wins in my view. - http://www.noop.nl/2009...
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I think that Seth is the top marketer blogger.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
although as you said he doesn't participate.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
i think its based on a number of stats Scoble, rather than participation. But of course, i'm just pleased we're in the top 20 of the list :)
- Zee.
Zee: stats are lies.
- Robert Scoble
well they make me feel good :)
- Zee.
Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah!
- Richard Zeidel
I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance.
- Chris Luckhardt
lol but what do u mean with the stats zee?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Often attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
- CAJ, somewhere else
have you subscribed to us yet Scoble? Would love you to give us a chance for a couple of weeks. Think you'll be highly impressed
- Zee.
Seth is good for those little sparks that get your own thinking going. But yeah, wouldn't put him in the top SM blogger category.
- Virante
Richard: yeah, Jeremiah should be in top two or three yet. Zee: I'm following you here on friendfeed, is that what you mean?
- Robert Scoble
sorry i mean at TheNextWeb.com - check out our recent content, i'm sure you'll be impressed.
- Zee.
Zee: what's the friendfeed URL?
- Robert Scoble
If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :)
- Laurel Papworth
@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG).
- John Flynn
http://friendfeed.com/thenext... and we have a group with content from all over here: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... (nearly 6000 members)
- Zee.
The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue,
- Kevin Murray
In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space?
- Leo Bottary
I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"?
- Joel Zehring
I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both.
- Ross McMinn
Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social.
- Bailey McCann
I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation.
- Richard Zeidel
Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should..
- Arnaldo M Pereira
I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects?
- Joel Zehring
what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media.
- James
Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly.
- Matthew DeVries
Arnaldo M Pereira: Check out Chris here ==> http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr... He's very active.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Exactly, Social Media and Seth Godin? WTF? And how come RWW team is not in the 1st three?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
lol +1 to Matthew
- Bailey McCann
I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type.
- Matthew DeVries
Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet!
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree
- Daniel Kenney
agreed scoble.
- Ted Bradford II
Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor.
- Bill Reichart
Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House.
- paul mooney
Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though.
- Dave Saunders
+1 with taryn930
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ...
- simran
I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too!
- Vicki Z Lauter
I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular....
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- Sheryl
Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was....
- Mike Nencetti
I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's...
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- Chris Brogan
see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub.
- Chris Brogan
I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning.
- Miguel Rodriguez
I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over.
- Miguel Rodriguez
Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both.
- waraney rawung
How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments?
- Owen Greaves
I watched a video of Seth essentially saying that much of social networking is superficial. http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009...
- Angela
waraney - I think you nailed it :-)
- PXLated
I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz
- Leif Hansen
@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :)
- Leif Hansen
I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically.
- Jesse Stay
Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is Gary V. on that list?
- Jesse Stay
That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list?
- Owen Greaves
But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys...
- Leif Hansen
We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all.
- Louis Gray
But Louis, You are a legend here :)
- Owen Greaves
Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation?
- Richard Byrne
Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul.
- Chris Brogan
Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
concur - chris brogan is the man
- mike "glemak" dunn
Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either.
- AJ Kohn
@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either.
- Chris Brogan
like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down !
- Peter Dawson
One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me.
- Chris Brogan
I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me.
- waraney rawung
What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition.
- Dave Winer
Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve.
- waraney rawung
It's all subjective anyway. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : )
- Chris Brogan
shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : )
- Chris Brogan
I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez
- Sally Church
lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me?
- Chris Brogan
yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : )
- Chris Brogan
lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful...
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- AJ Kohn
I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more...
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- Kevin Murray
I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js
- Brian Broveleit
Chris Brogan rocks!
- Morten Blaabjerg
thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff.
- John Blossom
Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of.
- BLOGBloke
Social Networking/Media Sites Staying Relevant: (humor) http://www.youtube.com/watch...&
- Kevin Murray
Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others.
- Arleen Anderson
I agree Robert. (And thank you, Arleen *blushes*) Mahalo
- Leslie Poston
Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!!
- Mari Smith
Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot.
- randulo
Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media?
- Warren Whitlock
@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too.
- Morten Blaabjerg
gotcha - level of attention
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing.
- Richard Zeidel
I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one.
- Gambit Fauri
Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself).
- Jeremy Floyd
Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top?
- Chet Woodside
SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that.
- Robert Scoble
As do I.
- Matthew DeVries
Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them.
- Aaron Shields
as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me!
- Chad Harris
Agreed, Brogan all the way.
- Jim Gaudet
Brogan is amazing
- Peter Efland
Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav.
- Prof. Pamela Hood
Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk.
- Michael McDermott
I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated.
- anthonycospito
Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-)
- BLOGBloke
In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social".
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Woke up with an insight: Twitter is blogging. It lowers the barrier to entry to personal publishing. That's the common denominator.
Kol Tregaskes, Andre P. Siregar, Keith - @tsudo and 9 other people liked this
Maybe that''s why it's called microblogging. All kidding aside, I agree with you
- Michael Fidler
wow, how insightful...it's as if you came up with that all by yourself
- Brian Appleby
insights are like that but what seems "obvious" can often hide a deeper truth.
- John Hardy
Dave, I think of Twitter is like Metafilter but with an even bigger filter on the front (no follow, no visible)
- John Hardy
Can't tell the sarcasm from the seriousness above, but obviously the major hurdle to 'personal publishing' is feeling confident and comfortable with placing one's thoughts into the public domain. This is daunting to many at the entry level. Twitter eases one into this amongst a friendly group of peers, allowing one to gain experience and grow the thick skin required for blogging or other more public/exposed media...
- Noah Gray
twitter is so much more than blogging
- Thomas Power
@Thomas it's only 'more' because it's 'less' ;)
- kosso
That's a good look at it.
- Jonathan Bloom
"microblogs are simply easier blogs" http://bit.ly/mELIH
- Brian Hendrickson
Like in - 'Less is More" and KISS -]
- Chris Loft
;) eventually we'll just have emotiblogging where you can only post an emoticon ;) 3 characters max ;p
- kosso
:-)
- mike "glemak" dunn
:-p
- Brian Hendrickson
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