because google has no social play and the only real-time/social/publishing network that they can afford right now is Twitter.... FB's valuation is prob. too high for Google
- Bindu Reddy
Why would they buy Twitter instead of buying something smaller and just add it to their services?
- CW™
I would start negotiating very low but I would actually be willing to pay a lot... Remember I have very very deep pockets :))
- Bindu Reddy
2 reasons. 1) Myspace cost billions... Yahoo paid 3.6 billion for Geocities. 2) Google doesn't need a 'social play', they make coin selling ads from mining the data from 100s of 'social plays'. You own it, you have to fix it
- Johnny Worthington
CW - Twitter has mindshare and a good user base. A smaller service is not worth Google's time....
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, why not just make a app to use WAVE functions but in a twitter like way?
- CW™
Twitter is the pager of the '00s. Anyone still have a pager?
- Johnny Worthington
CW - cause to-date Google has not succeeded in building their own social app....Much easier to buy Twitter and let the Twitter team run the app... Kinda of like YouTube..
- Bindu Reddy
Since the CPM for Twitter has to be quite low and they can buy access to the fire hose, do they really need to buy Twitter?
- Todd Hoff
Google already tried buying something smaller. It was called Jaiku. Next time around they'll just buy Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
Todd, Yes, because they get into a whole new area of "push"... People discover things by searching for them or having stuff pushed to them... Twitter is best at discovery based on push. Believe me the ad-model will come :)
- Bindu Reddy
Twiiter has more mindshare than Digg ever did
- Bindu Reddy
Mindshare is nice... returning customers willing to 'pay' for a service is a whole other thing...
- Johnny Worthington
So here's the thing... if they already get the tweets [i.e. firehose] now, they're indexing them and can serve ads into the search results, and most tweets are generated from some client other than the twitter.com web site... the twitter site's really just another client for sticking messages onto the bus. What do they *really* get by buying the service?
- Ken Sheppardson
No one is going to pay for twitter. To use or to own.
- CW™
Ken, exactly. The real juice is in cross service clients like Brizzly and Seesmic. Google would sooner buy a client and super size it then purchase one information stream.
- Johnny Worthington
Imagine getting all your social media messages in a side bar or gmail like interface.
- Johnny Worthington
I'm having all my social media messaging routed through eFax and having it send it all to my office fax machine.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Always. Frankly Bindu, until I found Brizzly, Twitter meant little to me. I actually spend more time on the Facebook tab. I don't care where it comes from, I only care what it is.
- Johnny Worthington
sıɹɥɔ, classic thermo paper, ami right.
- Micah Wittman
One thing I really admire about Facebook is that they are not afraid to be aggressive and act boldly. They constantly make big changes to their product that they believe are good for their product but produce mixed reactions from the press etc.
People generally hate change, which is one reason that popular products tend to stagnate.
- Paul Buchheit
The tech press online isn't really worth listening to really. Users are like sheep as well, they'll eventually have to deal with it. Facebook has made mostly good changes to their product, although I do wish their privacy features were better
- Schadenfreude
It's kind of like America. When you're that big you get away with anything.
- Eivind
Paul, people do generally hate change, but users just want the basic stuff to work and make sense. Whether it's Facebook, Twitter or Friendfeed, it's usually the big changes that make users grumble because all the little things that people actually use and need fixed are ignored.
- Admiral Anika
Anika, if I take away a feature that 1% of people like but that needlessly complicates the product for 99% of people, I will only hear from the 1%.
- Paul Buchheit
Take Facebook's Live Feed vs. New Feed. That's such a joke. It makes NO sense and naturally doesn't do as promised. We snark on that "feature" all the time. Big change, but completely useless. Meanwhile, we still have 2 different links to access our profiles on our pages and it's annoying because it's stupid and everyone wants it gone.
- Admiral Anika
Agree the press does not matter... but most big companies think that press and image matters a lot. They than got caught up in not doing anything bold because they are afraid of someone or the other saying something about them.
- Bindu Reddy
I suspect the changes in the interface cause people to drop out, either closing their accounts or just not using them anymore, especially people who don't use their accounts a great deal anyway. If you had to figure out where to put your car key in your car all the time you'd probably drive less. If you had to hunt around for you light switches all the time you'd likely spend more time...
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- SuezanneC Baskerville
SuezanneC I bet FB watches it's user stats like a hawk and does a lot of "experiments". Their usage seems to be going up not down.
- Bindu Reddy
Overall usage going up doesn't mean people who don't like frequent interface changes aren't leaving or reducing their usage. A larger number of users may be great for facebook, but it doesn't do anything for those who quit it because they get tired of UI changes, policy changes, etc. every month. I've read reports of declining use by older folks, which I suspect might have some connection to frequent changes in the UI.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
It's a net win for Facebook either way, because more people stay and are joining than are leaving.
- Schadenfreude
Suzanne, makes a great point. I have 102 friends on FB. Only about 24 of them are active, with about 6 more just feeding in their Twitter and blog streams. The other people who dropped it, all said it was because it was confusing to use, stupid to use, or annoying to use. They haven't deleted their accounts, but they only come back to post that they think Facebook is stupid.
- Admiral Anika
There was an increase in the number of users when they stopped being a college person's club. Did that make it better? Or just bigger? I don't find the interface changes have made it any more fun for me to use. Of course, it's hard to judge; when I started it was fun partly because it was new to me; now it's old hat; the interface changes don't make people's posts any funnier or more interesting, and I got tired of playing the games.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Anika, compared to FB how many of your FF or Twitter friends are active. I find that many more ppl in my network are active on FB than on FF or twitter.... Your last comment about coming back to post that FB is stupid is pretty funny :)))
- Bindu Reddy
I can't really gauge on FF because I can't remember who I'm following and I block people with abandon. On Twitter, it's easy (we were just talking about this the other day). Out of my 400 subscribers, 321 of them are active. The ones that are inactive are mostly companies, with only 17 people being inactive. As far as actual conversation goes on Twitter, it looks like there's about 150...
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- Admiral Anika
Just visited this place in Mtn View. Didn't know it existed till now... Free office and conference space for hackers and start-ups in the valley. I loved the vibe here. There is even a hardware room and separate offices. You are encouraged to make donations... great internet access. Coffe and snacks available as well. Very very cool!
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
Wondering if we really need to see these tweets in real time on Google search results.... the quality of these tweets seems to be very low. Maybe Google should be filtering tweets.. Not sure how this is useful at all to someone searching Google for "Tiger Woods"
I think this will only increase twitter spam :(( Google is usually very very religious about their search result quality... not sure how this got through...
- Bindu Reddy
Exactly, the more you tweet, the better your chances are for a site hit
- sofarsoShawn
interesting. didn't even realize there's these kinds of google search results now. thanks for the heads up!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Yup, I am writing a bot that scrapes Google trends, extracts search terms and writes tweets every 2 minutes with those search terms :)
- Bindu Reddy
New SEO pioneering! I want in! & it's also not just Twitter, but also Jaiku, identi.ca Myspace, FriendFeed & Facebook. & Bing (except for FB & TW) won't be including them in their search results.
- sofarsoShawn
I the quality of all tweets seems to be very low.
- Gabe
Oh bleh. Just tried a search for "snow". The realtime results are very distracting. Let us opt out, or put it on the side somewhere.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
It's good to bring more users to twitter though, as they keep getting twitter rubbed into their face. That being said I should try that search.
- Richard A.
Interesting. So you can try spam these services, and get a high position on Google immediately. But filtering... based on what? The usual filters work on authority which in turn often works on ratings, citations, backlinks etc., and these won't be real-time because people first have to see and digest the message in question in order to link, cite and rate it.
- Philipp Lenssen
It auto-updates and that is an interesting feature. That's something I could see some use for :-)
- Richard A.
On the spam and SEO topic. Don't you think it'd measure retweet strength. If a lot of people retweet a subject then the link would be more relevant/interesting than if just one person retweets. Sorry for going slightly off topic. As an aside do retweets move back up to the top of the search? Should try cop15 and see how it behaves.
- Richard A.
@Philipp: smart question (as usual). I guess that Google's rank/filter could be based not on the tweet, but on the tweeter: e.g. someone who has many followers is a good source, etc. E.g. Google too should (in this case) change its paradigm, switching from a "web of pages" to a "web of people".
- milivella
Google needs real time spam/foul language filter.
- ashish
from iPhone
Have they implemented safesearch for real time search?
- ashish
from iPhone
@Philipp You have nailed the issue :) It is really really difficult to get a good grip on "quality" if the information/data is real-time. I still can't really figure out what the motivation behind doing something like this on the Google main search results is.
- Bindu Reddy
Sometimes it is nice to see people giving their reactions to news or event in real time but I hope it improves overtime.
- ashish
from iPhone
Am I the only one here who is using Topsy http://www.topsy.com on a daily basis to cut through Twitter noise? Works like a charm. News recommender systems are the Next Big Thing.
- Sean McBride
Sean, I'm on twitter for the conversations :-). I looked at topsy and I'll have to play with it, see how I could have fun with it.
- Richard A.
Richard A. -- I use Friendfeed for conversations (much more capable for that activity than Twitter, in my opinion). And I use Topsy to identify and grab the most important news on specialized topics flowing through Twitter. To each his or her own.
- Sean McBride
That would be a great place to party when Friendfeed will shut down :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Very cool! What kind of LED lights are you using? We have old rope lighting that we are planning to change out for color changing LED rope lighting in in several rooms, but we have a bunch or research before we begin that project. Any tips from your experience?
- Rachel Lea Fox
Also, are the color changes tied to any data or just rotating on a cycle?
- Kevin Fox
We're using Color Kinetics: http://www.colorkinetics.com/. Beti actually ordered these, and I haven't investigated them deeply. There are two types of controls, one which is a dial on the wall that changes color, modes, and frequency of change. The other is an ethernet/RS-232 solution. We don't have the advanced one right now, but we may upgrade to it sometime after I look into it. I'm not sure how much work needs to be done to time the lights to something like Sonos.
- Cristo
I want one that ties to my brain according to my mood
- Jesse Stay
Rachel, also I think you like hidden doors, right? I don't think I've taken a photo of our finished hidden door, but I'll try to upload one soon.
- Cristo
Fareed Zakaria hosts this EXCELLENT documentary about the Mumbai blasts. The documentary shows calls between terrorists that the government was recording. The thing that appalled me was that government seemed helpless even when they could hear the complete conversation.
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
This is one of my favorite dire straits songs. After seeing a West Wing episode that uses this song in it's background score, have always associated the song with West Wing.
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
That is my favourite west wing episode too (and arguably my favourite tv episode ever) - two cathedrals from season 2
- arunthampi
from iPhone
Ah yes... that was the name of the episode
- Bindu Reddy
A great brunch place with a good selection of beers They have big plates and they have a really delicious pulled pork sandwich
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
Well turns out there are people who make a lot of money by simply figuring out what the law is...... there are also people who want to screw you because the law is structured in some way even though it may not be really fair
- Bindu Reddy
Yes, but mostly they aren't contributing to the advance of society.
- Cristo
Some lawyers might actually help you fight against people who take advantage of the law to screw you...
- Bindu Reddy
Same could be said for hitmen. Doesn't mean you need to become one.
- Cristo
Whenever I hear that, I think it's the punchline for the joke: "A newscaster asked John Kerry what kind of underwear he wears, boxers or briefs?"
- Cristo
You mean the line "it depends"? The hitmen of today are probably laywers :))
- Bindu Reddy
Well, the punchline is actually, "Depends" :)
- Cristo
Someone said that to me yesterday and I said I completely agree. To take a quote out of Star Trek - People seem to be constantly "looking for things".. this person is going on a holiday to Rio for 3 months...Let's say I am also slightly jealous
- Bindu Reddy
life is whats happening while you are busy makings plans for life !!
- Peter Dawson
Well that sounds even more depressing...
- Bindu Reddy
Sorry but I belive that was a John Lennon Quote :)-
- Peter Dawson
Actually it's fun when you have a goal in mind, that you believe in, with some clarity of the next step on how to get there. If then one goes with "just do it" approach, and with full involvement, such that things start to flow automatically (i.e with not much controlled mental thinking), then it's fun. If you aren't in the moment completely and thinking of many other things, then it's painful.
- Vipul Rawat
My favorite quote: "A motorboat's always going somewhere. The sailboat's already there."
- Piaw Na
Piaw Na: great quote. I'm gonna use that and give you credit. Watch for the royalty checks to start pouring in!
- Morgan Haley
Bindu: A ship is always referred to as 'she' because it costs so much to keep one in paint and powder, because there's always a great deal of bustle around her… because there's usually a gang of men around… because she has a waist and stays… because it's not the initial expense that breaks you, it's the upkeep… because she is all decked out… because takes a good man to handle her right… because she shows her topsides, hides her bottom and, when coming into port, always heads for the buoys.
- Piaw Na
Are you implying that women are high maintainence !!? :)
- Bindu Reddy
No time to read this thread, I have to get somewhere! ;)
- Brian Chang
It's also more fun if your job doesn't force you to go absolutely nowhere day after grinding day...
- Kamilah Gill
Piaw : love the explanation. - plan on sharing it as my company is a SHE too. Thanks
- Tracy Benham
Bindu: I wrote that because of your statement about wanting to be a Sailboat. :-) As a sailor, I'm fond of saying, "To simulate owning a sailboat in the Bay Area, stand in a shower, set it to maximum cold and turn it on full blast, and then start stuffing $100 bills down the drain." (And yes, I'm a sailboat renter, never an owner.)
- Piaw Na
Ah I see! I guess I shouldn't want to be a high-maintenance sailboat...
- Bindu Reddy
Well, you could be a high-maintenance sailboat for rental, whatever that means...
- Jim Norris
Ya Jim Norris. Whatever that means sounds about right. ;)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
It's big on the back, and the logo you see on the bottle over the breast in the front. I got it at the brewery's booth at the San Diego Street Scene beer garden about 8 years ago.
- Adrian
Part of the reasons why large companies are not fun places to work at is there are bad managers who are good at managing upwards (euphemism for sucking up to their bosses) and are adept at claiming credit for their employees' work. How does one prevent these people from succeeding?
Me too...It seems like somehow we need to have a system to weed these people out and we don't.
- Bindu Reddy
Simply stand up straight, and tell you co-workers the work you're doing so they'll see the nonsense and eventually that nonsense will stop (I know from real examples).
- Christopher Regan
These bad managers succeed because of bad management. The people managing them have no clue what's going on below them. Rather than looking for the types of results you'd expect from a good manager (ie. a team or set of employees that get the job done), they enjoy the ass kissing too much. It's happened at every single job I have ever worked at. Big or small. Good managers are just hard to find.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Transfer, because they are also fantastic at pushing blame down to anyone that might make them look bad. Eventually, when no one wants to work for them they get pushed aside in the company. Pointing out a pattern failure and ineptitude to coworkers can work, but frankly it's not worth the risk if it gets back to them and might just make you look petty
- David Knight
Rahsheen, I agree with you that the core reason is bad management or eternal conflict between various members of the management right on the top that allows for this.
- Bindu Reddy
Christopher, telling your coworkers can be dangerous. Esp if the "bad manager" is smart enough to play the "divide and rule" strategy with their employees. Some managers are so bad that they constantly pit their employees against one another.
- Bindu Reddy
David, great point. Yes these very ppl are really good at transferring blame
- Bindu Reddy
I am more annoyed by managers who make bad decisions than managers who take credit for my work.
- Gary Burd
I've worked at small companies, family-run companies, start-ups and world-wide corporations. There were bad managers at every place.
- Admiral Anika
Gary - I see how bad decisions can be really harmful....Anika, agree there are bad mgrs everwhere but they can easily hide and even thrive in a corporation.
- Bindu Reddy
Yeah, you need to get a Salamander for that shizzle.
- Alex Scoble
Do they have racks? I'm thinking more of a 19" server rack. Many of my components will be rack mounted.
- Cristo
Why rack mount when you can shelf mount?
- Alex Scoble
Why use shelves if you can rack mount? I only want shelves for things that can't be rack mounted. That way it's more flexible, and I can squeeze more components in.
- Cristo
There's actually two TiVos, but one is still upstairs until I get the remote control situation sanded down.
- Cristo
Actually a Salamander rack would be infinitely more flexible than a rack mount solution, since its shelves can be adjusted pretty much infinitely up and down the rack. There's no better home theater solution for racks out there, IMO.
- Alex Scoble
Chris you are making me curious. You shd post pics of your house
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, I've been slowly posting pics as parts of the loft get done. E.g. I posted the downstairs bath last month. Also, I need a great photographer like Thomas Hawk to do it justice. :)
- Cristo
Yes.. do a video walk-through with commentary please.
- Rodfather
Are those Sonos boxes on top? Do you feed the wires through the wall duct to the speakers?
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, yes they are Sonos. The loft is wired for 20 speakers right now, although I'm adding 6 more for surround sound in two rooms. The speaker wire is in the wall, and there's gold-plated banana sockets in the speaker patch panel.
- Cristo
Today is a day long coming... A day of sadness... A day I want to just lock myself away and hide... but a day I know I can't, that's not what he would have wanted and not what he taught me how to operate... I'm so scared...
If he had a friend like you, I'm thinking that he was a quality man that is now in a much better place. Thoughts and prayers for all that knew and loved him.
- Morgan Haley
So sorry to hear this Johnny, my condolences. :(
- Charlotte M
Aww, fcuk, man, that's rough. When/if you're ready to talk about it, you know we'll be here, mate. If not, well...., you know we'll be here, mate. :-(
- Andrew Terry
Sorry to hear about it. You obviously held him in high regard. That's not always the case with bosses. Sincere condolences from half-a-world away.
- .LAG liked that
You guys are helping more than you ever will know :)
- Johnny Worthington
I'm so sorry, Johnny. It's great that you cared so much for your boss - or that you worked for someone you cared so much about, looked at another way. But that does make it harder now. {{hugs}}
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
No doubt he'd have been pleased to hear you held him in such high regard. Good thoughts during a hard time.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Oh my gosh, Johnny. I just saw this. I am so sorry for your loss. My thoughts are with you, your coworkers, and your boss's friends and family.
- Call me Bronco
Sorry to hear this, Johnny. Sounds like he was also a friend / mentor.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
My boss killed himself back in February. Didn't feel the same as you, TBH. Dude was a real PITA to deal with. Condolences anyway, sorry for your loss.
- LANjackal
Hugs to you and your family, Johnny. So sorry for your loss... :-(
- Lisa L. Seifert
Oh, Johnny, I just saw this now. I'm so sorry for this loss. The pain of it helps tell you that it's real; the friendship and the beauty of knowing and caring for someone deeply. My heart goes out to you.
- Micah Wittman
Sounds like a special guy, sorry to hear about the loss, buddy. :(
- Pete Delucchi
Is the Silicon Valley, compared to other places, full of optimism simply because we tend to hear about successes much much more than about failures. We see someone else build a successful product and think that we can do it to. If there was a blog like TC that talked as much about failures as about success would we sill be optimistic and innovativ
But TC does highlight failures. That said, the quiet failures don't always make news. You have to be somewhat successful in order for your failure to be notable.
- Louis Gray
There was http://www.fuckedcompany.com/ that chronicled failures. Highly entertaining until your company shows up on the list :-) I think in the valley we hear a lot more about the failures because our friends are part of them. Lots of companies nobody knows about go under, but I just think we have a different attitude, as in on to the next opportunity.
- Todd Hoff
Yes TC only highlights big failures and I would even say not that many... When you fail you don't tell anyone. So the chance than anyone knows about it is also very little. Also ppl don't take pleasure in announcing other people's failures either. So overall failures are much less reported than successes. Even in families I hear a lot more "good news" like pregnancies and lot less "bad news" like miscarriages
- Bindu Reddy
Many of what are considered failures in Silicon Valley were just part of the evolution of technology. One thing builds on another, and although some companies might be winners for a time, they leveraged lots of work done at companies that weren't as rewarded in the press and financial markets. (E.g. Xerox Parc, mid-80s Apple, DEC, Sun, NeXT, General Magic, WebTV, Danger, Be, Catapult,...
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- Cristo
Cristo, the answer is yes. And are you saying it is too late for General Magic to make a comeback?
- Louis Gray
And I disagree with you on the music question. Without that music, you wouldn't have most of the music people listen to today. And I still find music from those eras to often be more pure, genius, and enjoyable to much of the music today.
- Cristo
In case people don't know, iPhone and Android would be very different without General Magic, and quite possibly, wouldn't exist at all.
- Cristo
Oh no! My GMGC stock! Worthless! (cries)
- Louis Gray
Agree with you Cristo that failures also contribute to advancing technology forward. So I am not saying failure is all bad. I am saying would the valley be so optimistic and would you see as many start-ups if we heard about all the failures.. big and small
- Bindu Reddy
You're so right Bindu- there's this kind of invisible culture of failures down in SV too. But it's depressing, just like the news not reporting all of the violence/crime, it's not seen as newsworthy.
- anna sauce
I don't find failures depressing. Either they made a contribution to the field of technology, or they didn't. If they did, then their ideas will live on in other products and companies. If they didn't, then it's good to weed out the bad ideas and business plans. What depresses me is when marginal stuff succeeds wildly, and then the early people in those companies suddenly think they are geniuses.
- Cristo
If you work your ass of for 4 years and your company dies, that's depressing. Other people's failures, not so depressing :-)
- Todd Hoff
Todd, I've worked my ass off for years on both projects that succeeded and failed. Once it's over, I generally don't feel depressed, I just move on to the next thing. Failure can be the door that allows you to move on. :)
- Cristo
If failure is what made you move then you probably didn't really move on.
- Todd Hoff
The decision was made for you. If you would have recognized the failure and made a conscious decision to leave before then you would have learned something by internalizing it and acting. As it stands you could just walk away, which requires a lot less of you. It's the difference between cutting a knot with a sword and untying it for yourself.
- Todd Hoff
Oh, okay. I've usually left a project before the lights were turned out. There was only one (my own) where we had to shut it down ourselves, and even there, it seems to keep popping back up every few years.
- Cristo
The Silicon Valley tends to be optimistic, but I don't think it's because we don't hear about failures. In general, the Valley treats failures as learning opportunities and not as career-ending disasters; we understand that failures are to be expected when on the cutting edge.
- Tudor Bosman
And Tudor, wouldn't you say there's a lot of subjectiveness in classifying failures? E.g. some people think acquisitions are failures compared to IPOs.
- Cristo
the question to ask is - is it newsworthy? how many people does it affect? would people care? a successful business makes more of an impact than a failed business, plus failed businesses are so common you might as well create a classifieds section
- Loc
Even failures like 3DO made some people (those who sold at the right time) wealthy. Sure, wealth isn't the same as success, but keep in mind that not all failures were the same.
- Piaw Na
Thought experiment: if the web were utterly balkanized in different ways (plug-ins, de-indexing deals), would that help or hurt Microsoft's bottom line?
- Matt Cutts
Silverlight is indeed basically the same on every browser it supports, just as Flash is. Though it's worth noting that Mono/moonlight *don't* support (at least last time I checked) all of SIlverlight (video in particular). And I'd hardly call allowing the Mono guys to implement Silverlight a real commitment to openness. The fact of the matter is that if you build on Silverlight, you're...
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- Joel Webber
Yahoo seems to have forgotten it is a "internet technology" company. First it decided to give up on search and now it's decided to give up on profiles/identities.
Why do you think we've given up on profiles/identities?
- Glen Mistletoe
from iPhone
I still use Flickr. I'd hate to see the likes of Microsoft get hold of it.
- Ian May
Glen, if I were Yahoo , I would have come up with my own better version of FB connect. Right now FB connect has a couple of issues that it would be great for someone to address. Instead by adopting FB connect it seems to be doing the opposite thing.
- Bindu Reddy
Glen, my brother works at Yahoo as well :) I think they have some great pdts. However I was bummed when I heart about the search deal and now I am not sure what to make of the connect announcement
- Bindu Reddy
Distributed data is the best thing to happen on the web. Period. Too bad Yahoo! took so long to implement a FB Connect or a similar OAuth API sign in method.
- Mona Nomura
I have to be honest and say that I don't think I'll find much use myself in the Yahoo/Facebook connect thing, but that's not a reflection on Yahoo, so much as I'm a reluctant Facebook user. I understand why they've done it though.
- Ian May
I am all for taking your data with you / using the same login in many sites etc. However, Yahoo being one of the few big players should also be focussing in coming up it's own compelling version of connect. If it does have one I am not sure any big site uses it today...
- Bindu Reddy
Mona, what I am trying to say is that Yahoo seems to be on the path of simply using technology developed by others. If I were them I would be implementing a a better version of FB connect - Yahoo Connect.
- Bindu Reddy
That is what I don't understand - can you elaborate on better version?
- Mona Nomura
So as an internet tech company what is Yahoo core competency? Lately they have maintained it is social-apps. However they seem to have not succeeded in that space at all. They should have been the ones doing stuff like Federated identity/profiles/streams etc. They had a huge user-base to experiment on. They were in this space when FB was really small.. Now they have been reduced to simply pushing their activities to FB... Off couse, given the position they are in, this is better than doing nothing
- Bindu Reddy
Then again, in some ways it would be nice if something like OpenID was really universal. Having said that, there's a danger in having one master key for everything.
- Ian May
I'll simply note that, just because we're allowing Facebook Connect, dies not mean we're only using it.
- Glen Mistletoe
from iPhone
Internet tech company != social networking site - enabling users to megaphone their activities to Facebook is a strategically beneficial move. Yahoo! is also one step ahead of Microsoft and their cluster mess of a MSN ID (or whatever it's called). Also, remember that Facebook is a more focused niche, where as Yahoo! is a gigantic entity with a breadth of properties.
- Mona Nomura
Agree they are definitely ahead of MSFT on this front..
- Bindu Reddy
On top of that, Maxamad, Yahoo! Mail is, IMHO, the best Webmail interface available today
- Curtiss Grymala
Yahoo lost not because they did not have good products, but rather they had too many products. And now they plain wonder what to keep. It seems it would only be yahoo.com, mail and flickr. Its sad to see Pipes not catching up though. It is still a good product!
- Amit
Their developer tools are indispensable as well. YUI is very useful for webdev. YQL is very cool as well. There's also the bias against Y! products from so-called geeks online as well
- Schadenfreude
It's different strokes for different folks though. I personally don't like Yahoo Mail. I don't find the spam control very effective either. I didn't like Gmail when I switched from Outlook five years ago, but I would NEVER go back to using Outlook now.
- Ian May
I just wish those repeating Hulu ads would STOP. It's you! No, it's an ad! And YOU, YaHOO, have ditched the charming hillbilly. I feel bad for him.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I haven't fired up Hulu in the longest time here. I think my wife might do soon though, as we're looking at ditching cable TV. I watch almost no TV, and my wife only some. Our roomies tell us they can no longer afford half the cable bill each month, so it's gonna go Internet only,saving a small fortune.
- Ian May
I meant facebook connect will let you login into yahoo mail.
- ashish
from iPhone
Can I get all my data out of Facebook yet?
- EricaJoy
Will you join me in a bath/hair product (or other of your choosing) meme? These are containers of shampoo, conditioner, and bodywash from my shower. Scary, huh? How do yours compare?
- Laura Lou Who
You're a Suave-aholic! We have a lot only because we have 3 different hair types here, but I only use shampoo and hair dressing on me.
- Admiral Anika
Yes, there's a lot of Suave because I like variety, but I'm thrifty! There are also several Bath and Body Works items purchased with coupons. :)
- Laura Lou Who
I am not sure this is much of a problem as long as you have a place to store this stuff :)
- Bindu Reddy
I only have two bottles. My husband and I use the same hair stuff and buy at sam's. :/ I think my equivalent would be electronics. (I think I would be better off buying hair products sometimes) Much less spendy.
- Kårín Dalzĭel
Part of the reason Twitter succeeded was that they didn't have many super-smart engineers who rushed to add a bunch of features. They were almost forced to keep the site simple for many years..
There are techniques out there to slow things down if you have too many super-smart engineers. If three-martini lunches don't work, try making them use PHP.
- Bruce Lewis
for 3 years and they are making subtle changes.
- ashish
I think he's saying they didn't have too many really good chefs in the kitchen making you too much food.
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
Does that mean that super smart people tend to make changes in the system?
- ashish
Your comment sounds like a fact, but it's just an opinion right? I don't think the site's simplicity was an accident or just a case of Twitter not having enough SSE power. There's a post from 2005 from @Ev, with rule #1 "Focus on the smallest possible problem you could solve that would potentially be useful." http://evhead.com/2005... Seems like Twitter's gone out of their way to uphold that rule from the start.
- Adam Kazwell
This seems like a simplification of what could have happened..I feel simplicity was the only option because they were busy getting their back-end infrastructure right...resolving all those fail-whales in the initial stages must have taken a ton of effort...
- Mahesh CR
Adam, agree it is just an opinion... not fact. I should rephrase that. Mahesh, my point exactly if they had some backend engineers they would not have that much trouble with the backend infrastructure...
- Bindu Reddy
You use friendfeed don't you? That's got a lot of features and hasn't evolved that much since the beginning.
- Richard A.
I dunno, its probably lucky more than anything the Twitter development team always struck me as ad hoc and accidental about features.most real innovation ie replies, hashtags etc driven by users and other things like retweets messed up when "coded"
- WarLord
Richard, when FF was being worked on there was a lot of iteration and change. I suspect the FF team is not working on it right now....
- Bindu Reddy
I think they were too busy trying to keep Twitter online to worry about new features. Fail to the Whale.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
WarLord - yes you are right about the Twitter innovation being driven by users
- Bindu Reddy
My impression was that Twitter started off as a proof-of-concept project that blew up way beyond what the creators initially envisioned.
- Victor Ganata
Pet rocks and hula hoops also succeeded. I'm not sure anyone has figured out the formula for what will be popular at any given point in time.
- Cristo
Victor I often speculated that Ev was playing when he came up with Twitter and thats why the selling thing is such a dance - really just his hobby that got out of control...
- WarLord
Cristo - agree. I am just making an observation /stating my opinion after the fact.. WarLord, I thought Jack Dorsey was the guy who came up with twitter
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, you're likely correct I thought it was ev and biz
- WarLord
Originally, I thought Twitter was just one of many incubation companies that Evan Williams was funding. He stepped in when it seemed like it was becoming successful. I wonder what happened to the others.
- Cristo
The others were not successful or probably were abandoned to focus all efforts on Twitter? Randomly speculating :)
- Bindu Reddy
Pity not having Super Smart Engineers didn't work well for friendster. :-)
- Piaw Na
Some things succeed despite not being great, and others fail despite being great. A lot of it is timing, but I wouldn't aim to emulate the success of things that succeeded despite not being technologically advanced. E.g. Just because Windows was a huge success, doesn't mean you should create bad user interface in order to succeed. It wasn't the element that caused it to succeed.
- Cristo
Piaw Na - Ha, the standard confusion between co-relation and causation :))... Cristo, completely agree with your point..
- Bindu Reddy
I'm liking this post because of Bruce Lewis's first comment, not because I endorse the belief that Twitter's engineers aren't super-smart :)
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor - this is my lame attempt at posting a rant about super-smart engineers :)
- Bindu Reddy
Cristo, Not a super-smart engineer....
- Bindu Reddy
You're just saying that because you want to be successful like Twitter. ;)
- Cristo
Biting off more than you can chew and being the lucky one who was able to chew through all the crap doesn't make you sucessful, just lucky. Twitter isn't sucessful yet. It's still in a fad stage. It only got there because some people with names started using it and it became hip. Fads come and go, let's see if Twitter is still sucessful in 12 months before giving them a smilie stamp on the hand.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Cristo - yes I am trying desperately to understand and replicate Twitter's success :) But Johnny says they are still a fad. So I guess my attempts are meaningless anyways.
- Bindu Reddy
I by no means implied that their experience shouldn't be studied or admired, just it's they are still a boat rocking on the sea of trends looking for a harbour. If you want to be infamous, make something simple and get a lot of celebs to use it... Beyond that, I got nothing
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I just want to emulate Johnny's success. Still trying to grow a beard I can shave, and then I'll do a radio show on social media. ;)
- Cristo
Doh! It never occurred to me until now.. Of course you have to make something really really simple if you want celebs to use it. :)
- Bindu Reddy
If you can't get a celeb to answer what something is in a soundbite to Oprah, you have to do it the old fashion way... which takes longer. Souffles are lovely but collapse when out of the oven to long... Christmas cake lasts for years...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yup. Probably Likaholix is too complicated for Ashton Kutcher. Need something like Older-womenholix. :)
- Cristo
If you really want to know, here is the secret. Write on a whiteboard the word 'Why'. The underneath write three words 'Hardcore', 'Casual' and 'Walmart'. Now, under them write a single sentence for each telling them how they would use it and why. Depending how many of the three you can explain, that's your audience. If my wife (Casual) and my sister (Walmart) can understand it, you have a winner. 1 sentence each...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Twitter blew up in mid to late 2008... before that, I don't think anyone was talking about Twitter's success.
- Andrew C
from Android
I will say this: people say that if you have more users than your system can handle, it's "a good problem to have". I think Twitter should serve as a cautionary tale that it's not always a good problem to have; Twitter spent a lot of time and engineering effort dealing with scalability problems brought about by their success. They did emerge successfully, and maybe this is proof that...
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- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, you may be right or you may be wrong about it being a cautionary tale. It's possible that playing hard-to-get is a good strategy for cementing user loyalty. It's possible that twitter outages had the same psychological effect as someone playing hard-to-get. I don't know how one would go about testing that hypothesis, though.
- Bruce Lewis
I think what's interesting is why other similar services that existed before Twitter failed and no longer exist. Was it really just the complexity of those services? It really does seem like it was a timing issue. I'd rather be lucky, than actually good, I guess :D
- Victor Ganata
And Victor, there were social networks before Facebook. Heck, there was Sixdegrees long long before Friendster and Myspace, but Sixdegrees died like a dog. Timing definitely matters.
- Andrew C
I think behind the scenes, the work Evan Williams, Chris Sacca, Fred Wilson and others have done to make strategic decisions and evangelize to celebrities and traditional media is paying off. The service is what it is, but I think it's been highly (and intelligently) leveraged.
- Cristo
Andrew, I don't think it's a matter of timing, Friendster had crap engineers, as did six degrees. None of those sites scaled. Ebay had outages early on as well, but the business kept going and growing anyway.
- Piaw Na
Has Friendster failed? It's actually still continuing to grow in Southeast Asia if you believe the numbers.
- Victor Ganata
Yes, it has failed in the none of the initial investors/employees got anything like the payback they hoped for.
- Piaw Na
That, again, seems more like a timing issue. The new investors seem to be doing OK. And as far as I can tell, it still looks like the same technology.
- Victor Ganata
I think Friendster managed to get a handle on their scaling eventually. It was too late in the US by that time, though. I don't remember Sixdegrees very well. I used it too infrequently to notice outages...
- Andrew C
Friendster was unusably slow for a while. It didn't just have outages. If Twitter had those kinds of problems, I think we'd be talking about a different micro-blogging service today.
- Cristo
no actually they had very smart engineers , who understood the concept "less is more" , same here in FF :)-
- Peter Dawson
I've always thought Twitter embodied the philosophy of doing only one thing, and doing it well (or at least trying to.) But I really think--as in most cases of technology--that the social phenomena and their implications are much more significant than the underlying tech itself.
- Victor Ganata
I think Cristo's and Victor's thoughts are square on. One thing to add: the role of the SMS features shouldn't be underestimated (remember the twitter get's protester out of jail type stories that cross-over into mainstream news.) So, twitter had the mind-shared and evangelism of the SXSW crowd which helped create a critical mass of a certain fervent breed of user and it fanned out enough to get influencers in the politics/news/celebrity business.
- Micah Wittman
ahhhhhh.. I see that some1 remembers the SXSW luanch. On that day it was said the nay sayers said "oh no-- not another micro bloggin tool" !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
It's not clear to me that Twitter did one thing only well -- obvious scalability issues aside, I think a lot of Twitter's success can be chalked up to timing, although I will give them credit for the 'follow' feature which distinguished them from many other sms-to-web gateways that existed before. Still, I dislike a huge volume of human communication taking place over a proprietary...
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- Ray Cromwell
I like to hear extreme opinions just to see where I stand.
- ashish
I don't tune in to Fox "News" (I refuse to put those words together without the quotation marks) because I can't afford to by another television just now.
- Mark Jepsen
Of course not, because they say they are fair and balanced! How dare you suggest they are biased?! /sarcasm
- Rene Wirtz
I wouldn't say it's news... more like conservative commentary - MSNBC is liberal commentary. CNN ??? - the only 'News' I trust is BBC and the news shows on NPR. Those at least are following legitimate standards for reporting news.
- Jason
Its only Bias if it is different from your opinion. Otherwise its truth.
- CW™
I find all of them biased. Some less and some more. They show bias by only highlighting one side of story.
- Vipul Rawat
My boss made a statement that he only watches Fox News instead of "that biased crap on MSNBC." I learn more and more everyday about why I cant stand him.
- Shawn Whitmire
+1 C.W. They have the best format. Subscription numbers don't lie. I question everything the media says regardless of its origin. Critical thinking skills are important :)
- Eric Logan
I think people know they're biased but underestimate how biased. People like to choose a middle-of-the-road position. They look right, look left, and choose someplace in the middle. Fox News exists so that when they look right, they see something way far right, to make them think that middle-of-the-road is farther right than they are now.
- Bruce Lewis
Don't get me wrong. I think they are horrible company and should not be named news. They agree themselves that they are mostly with opinion shows. True news is unbiased showing both sides letting you decide what may or may not be true. I only see few journalists doing this now. No one company is doing this though. Fax News does feed the entertainment for a percentage of the population. This is hows they are able to keep going.
- CW™
@CW I see the argument about them being entertaining...
- Bindu Reddy
I think Bruce's explanation is pretty complete.
- j1m
I don't watch any of the US cable news channels, as they're all full of biased partisan bullshit.
- Ian May
The Daily Show did a hilarious deconstruction just a few weeks ago of FN's bald-faced lie that its bias is only in the opinion shows and the straight news part is straight news.
- Andrew C
The mind is the greatest cage ever built. If you absolutely believe something is truth, it is.
- Mo Kargas
MSNBC has Maddow, Olbermann, and Schultz, for three hours of liberal programming. They also have three hours in the morning of Joe Scarborough, for three hours of conservative programming. And this is the liberal channel!
- Andrew C
One doesn't get much factual news from US Cable news, so I don't bother with it. I'm not interested in either right wing or left wing 'opinions' or bias at that time. I want to get the available information, and make my own judgement. Thing is, the cable news channels are effectively preaching to the choir in any case. Most people believe what they choose to believe to fit their already established beliefs.
- Ian May
Over the last year I have made two new real-life friends thanks to my chattering online. Now we hang out and get dinner/drinks once in a while. Really glad there is social media
Funny thing I got to know them better via Twitter even though I spend way more time on Friendfeed. Realizing that FF is not that great to develop 1*1 relationships.
- Bindu Reddy
/looks at phone. Sees no calls from Bindu.
- Louis Gray
I think that has more to do with how the Bay Area folks using FF operate than FF itself. FFers in LA have clearly gotten to know one another. But so many FFers in the Bay Area are industry movers/shakers who don't seem as amenable to F2Fs with people who aren't also in the industry.
- Spidra Webster
Louis - LOL :) I guess what I am saying is there is no way to @ you publicly on FF... and strike up a banal/casual conversation which might lead to "lets go get a drink" next time you are in so and so place :)
- Bindu Reddy
Spidra - agree the Bay area folks don't seem to have any meet-ups
- Bindu Reddy
I've met a number of people in real-life that I first met online, not least my wife. We met on ICQ (remember that), and have just celebrated our tenth wedding anniversary last month.
- Ian May
I think Twitter can perhaps be more 'intimate' than FF, which is more like being in a room full of people somehow. Yes, I know that a regular tweet goes out to all your followers too, but perhaps we're more likely to use the DM function in Twitter than here. I'm probably talking crap, but that's my perception!
- Ian May
So far I've met two people that I met through Twitter, none from FriendFeed, and a few more fellow bloggers.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Ian, I think you are right. It's easy to carry on a conversation publicly without anyone else really noticing. Peter, yes only two so far but that is much better than before when that number was zero :).. Of course, I have met a lot of other people thanks to FF and twitter but they are still acquaintances. I wouldn't really call them "friends" just yet.
- Bindu Reddy
I think it also depends on distribution of users. Not everyone puts down their locality in their FF profile. Most Twitter users do. That makes it easier to find local tweeps. But on FF you subscribe to people based on content. They might not be located where you are.
- Spidra Webster
People don't usually list their locations on FF, but it's usually not hard to figure it out based on what they post.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I've made some really amazing friends on Twitter :)
- Mona Nomura
/Disclosure: Stephen Mack liked this because I am a TiVo subscriber and Jesse Stay liked it because I advise SocialToo. (See what I mean?)
- Louis Gray
Exactly. Now we're all gonna overdisclose.
- Stephen Mack
he he... good points. I guess the idea is to make sure that you disclose content that you post that you get directly get paid for. Of course, no really good way to police this.
- Bindu Reddy
Louis, yes, you are an advisor to SocialToo, but I liked it because you are a friend and I like your content - no disclosure needed :-)
- Jesse Stay
/Disclosure: I recently had a meeting with Bindu where she bought me a free Diet Coke.
- Louis Gray
Jesse you could pass for an Englishman with a comment like that.
- Thomas Power
I liked this because Louis drops science in such an efficient manner...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
/Disclosure: Thomas Power invited me to a paid speaking opportunity in London to Ecademy in September of 2009. I also intend to have a paid working relationship with Ecademy in the future, to help raise their visibility in the US.
- Louis Gray
@Louis now I am embarrassed I simply got you a diet coke... Not liking this disclosure thing at all...:)
- Bindu Reddy
a diet coke, crikey we took him for two posh dinners and even introduced him to our three kids (who love him by the way)
- Thomas Power
Great thread, A+++ would [Like] again. Louis - I'm curious about your emerging relationships with enterprise players. Are these all Valley based? What sort of stuff are you getting into?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, today my major enterprise client is Emulex. They have a San Jose office, but are based in Costa Mesa. Most other clients are startups.
- Louis Gray
/Disclosure: I watched Louis Gray eat fried chicken for breakfast once.
- Glen Mistletoe
i wish i had something (anything!) to disclose
- Chris Heath
I'm not very interested in the FTC rules, but because of that nice review on his blog back in January I guess I'd better click like anyway.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Great natural raw sugar substitue. Better than splenda even. Just had this with my latte and loved it. If you are into 0 calories sweetners than Stevia may be the way to go...
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
If I were Google I would spend more resources and time on making new original big ideas work. Instead of working on 60 products work on 6 big original ideas.
- Bindu Reddy
from Bookmarklet
Buy a fund and not specific bonds -- diversification matters a lot when they really might tank. Also, know where the revenue is coming from, what is that revenue competing for, etc. The different types of these things are really arcane.
- Daniel Dulitz
Pay attention to the -term of the bond (length till maturity). Being a cautious investor, most of my bond exposure is in short-term bonds, which have lower interest rates but considerably less interest rate risk.
- ௸ (k2g)
If looking at longer-term bonds, pay attention to the duration of the bond (time to maturity adjusted for interest payments), which more accurately defines its rate risk. But also, if you buy a particular bond instead of a fund, have a plan for how you'll deal with the decreasing duration -- it will function very differently as it nears maturity. But CA munis have a lot of default risk...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Well, we are thinking of buying individuals bonds vs. a bond fund and holding the bonds till maturity. The CA Muni Bond fund from VanGaurd hasn't done so well in the past. Also, what is the real chance any of these bonds will default? Only Orange County went bankrupt in the last 15-20 years. Of course, these are extraordinary times
- Bindu Reddy
CA General obligation bonds are more safe than a particular municipality or purpose. There may be some defaulting soon as seen in Vallejo, so be careful. Losing principal is not a happy thing.
- Cristo
Bindu, what do you think you will be able to do better than the Vanguard managers? Holding to maturity is only the right thing to do if you have a fixed expense payable at a predictable time and you pick the maturity so that it's just before that time; in any other case holding to maturity earns you less money at constant volatility (less compared to a managed-duration approach). If you...
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- Daniel Dulitz
On the other hand, if everyone thinks the state is a basket case, then the muni bonds may be undervalued. What is the yield on those?
- Morton Fox
Yields will probably go up before they go down. It might be worth waiting a bit.
- Cristo
Actually that was what I was thinking as well.. Daniel, I guess I don't really understand much of this :( I looked at the performance of the Vangaurd fund and it seems to be pretty bad over the last few years. So if I had bought the fund it seems like I would have lost some of my principal
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, it's tricky. Even if the issuer doesn't default on the bond you buy, you can easily "lose some of your principal" if interest rates go up. You can _pretend_ that you haven't lost anything because you'll hold the bond to maturity (i.e. you can decide not to realize the loss), but you actually have lost. Imagine that you buy a 1 year bond today (at 2% interest rate), and next week...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Watch out for so called "private activity" bonds when investing in muni funds. These will affect your calculation of alternative minimum tax.
- Scott Ludwig
If it is CA bond funds you are interested in (for tax reasons maybe?) Vanguard offers a fund: Vanguard CA Interm-Term Tax-Exempt (VCAIX). Buying anything with a longer duration is risky right now. Rates have nowhere to go but up and that will have the greatest affect on long term bonds. Edit: I just realized how old this post was :P
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah, everything is different now. Bonds don't seem like a great investment anytime soon.
- Cristo
At some point people will figure out that TIPS are a good investment for mattress money.
- Daniel Dulitz
Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn!! I have seen it a couple of times. Watching it again. Wonder if it would have been better if Hitchcock had made it.
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix