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Jed rocks the party.
Yes, Dad, I want to hear how I've messed up in moving to California and in my job search. While you're at it, yes, please tell me how awesome one of my older brothers is doing in his job and his promotion, the same brother who was a thieving fuck-up until a couple years ago. Grand.
:( - Anne Bouey
C'mon dad, he's in California. He's already won, geographically. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Also, {big hug} - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Thank you. :) Just frustrated. Thanks for letting me vent. - Jed rocks the party.
I am mad at your dad. :( - Lisa L. Seifert from iPhone
Walt Crawford
Serious question and quandary: Someone hearing about the new OA journal analysis I'm doing says, in essence, "I assume you'll make the spreadsheet available for crowdsourced verification and further analysis." I do not see this as being a good idea, and if pushed on it would be inclined to drop the project ...
I'd hate to do that at this point, since I've already looked at (individually) 7,818 out of around 11,500 journals and "journals" in the project. But I'm using a variety of approximation techniques to make the project less overwhelming, and I can just see, e.g., Beall downloading the spreadsheet, finding that my numbers (which will NEVER be used citing individual journals) are off for two or three journals, and... - Walt Crawford
... proclaiming "See? I said Crawford's stuff was bilge." (He's already used that word.) Whereas, of course, JB simply avoids facts, sticking with "I suspect" and "It seems unlikely" and the like. - Walt Crawford
Anyway, if it's really Improper for me to do this work--which will lead, as in the July '14 C&I, to discussions of patterns, NOT of individual journals--and NOT make the spreadsheets available, then I may very well give it up, blowing seven weeks of effort but saving 4-6 more weeks. - Walt Crawford
So: the question: Am I being unreasonable? If I'm unwilling to make the spreadsheets available, should I just drop the project? Advice very much wanted. (As I go off and do the next 10 journals...) - Walt Crawford
It's a good open data question. I can see a lot of value in the release of the data--if you're clear both a readme file and the final document about how/what you've summarized and approximated. JB's going to be skeptical anyway;he's already decided against you, I would try not to make this decision based on him (which is hard!). In my mind sharing the data gives your work/words more... more... - Hedgehog
You are in no way obliged to. I think it would be interesting and useful to others though. Whether you do or don't, you should be transparent about your approximation techniques. Then if you do make the dataset open and people complain a number is off you can just say "Well duh, see how I talked about approximation techniques? Feel free to make a better dataset if you've got the months/years of time spare." But if you don't want to make the dataset open, that doesn't mean the rest of the project is useless. - Deborah Fitchett
I think my reaction might very well be the same. The spreadsheets weren't "designed" for crowdsourcing, and the whole thing makes me nervous as hell. Of course, I could just blank out all the journal names, but that would make the spreadsheets close to worthless... - Walt Crawford
Deborah: My response was to Hedgehog. Yes, I do plan to discuss the shortcuts/approximations used, as I normally would. Thanks for the additional thoughts. - Walt Crawford
Is there a small representative sample that you could show to explain how you evaluated the data, and to explain how some people might interpret some things differently, and then say that the big spreadsheets are available on request? But then I wonder if JB would bother to ask for the data. Would he do that so he could nitpick? - Joe
Joe: Yes, if I go to the extra work on a sample--although there are two issues, evaluation (is this an A, B, or C?) and actual counting (where I've used shortcuts at times). In either case, then I'd need to (a) prepare a readme in some detail and (b) respond to requests. Grant funding for this project has been notoriously lacking... - Walt Crawford
I guess what I'm saying is "Is it irresponsible to not make the data available?" in which case maybe the best bet is to shut down the project. Deborah's saying it's *not* irresponsible; I appreciate that. - Walt Crawford
bump: I could really use a little more feedback on this, if anybody else is interested. - Walt Crawford
It's much easier saying what you should do with your data than doing it with my data. I totally get what you're saying. My thoughts were: I didn't document enough, my code (or calculations) done in Excel were done the hard way, the data are dirty, maybe someone else will see something in there I missed.... But as not you, I really think you should try to release under a cc-0 license or... more... - Christina Pikas
also, you are looking for sponsorship or more publishing opportunities, I think, and this could bring more attention and respect for your work. More trust from the people you want to attract. - Christina Pikas
oh and it's not irresponsible to not share. but it is generous to share. i doubt beall would take the time and effort to re-do your analysis. I really do. And if he does, so what! - Christina Pikas
Christina: Thanks for that. The odds of sponsorship are so low that I've mostly given up, and I've cut back on publishing opportunities for the moment. I'll have to think about this. - Walt Crawford
So its a bit late now but I always now try to figure out at the beginning of an analysis what can and can't be (easily) shared and bear that in mind as I work on something. I would always err on the side of release, even where its messy because the upsides generally are larger than the downsides. Problem is the upsides are all less noisy than certain downsides. If it were me, under... more... - Cameron Neylon
Turns out the person suggesting release is actually suggesting release of the spreadsheet(s) used in the July article--and alternatively suggests that I recruit a small team of experts who could reanalyze/deepen the analysis. Not likely to happen, honestly. I'm now satisfied that it's not reprehensible/irresponsible to *not* release the spreadsheets. Beyond that...well, I'll keep thinking about it. Thanks all for your help. - Walt Crawford
[Curiously, just reading a long discussion involving "reanalysis" of data, in an entirely different field, and it doesn't encourage me: basically says that the only reason people reanalyze is to attempt to refute] - Walt Crawford
… in related news, this conversation is useful for us as we think about trying to persuade our colleagues to release their data. it nicely illustrates the pros & cons of data sharing in our discipline. And I agree with all the points listed above. :-/ - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Bumping only because I just did a blog post about this...http://walt.lishost.org/2014... - Walt Crawford
MoTO: Team Marina
I don't say it enough (or perhaps I never have) but I admire the hell out of Jimminy. He gets it done, even though half the time I have no idea what he's doing. And in a world of people who constantly brag about "keeping it real" he just does it.
I don't know what I did. (NSFW, Language) http://youtu.be/SlA9hmr... - NOT THE CRICKET
Just keep on doing it, bruh. - MoTO: Team Marina from Android
He a badass rapper too :-) - Slippy
More like a sadass wrapper. Which is true. I can't do either. Writing the lyrics on point I can do, but spitting them is another game, that I can't play. It's a shame. - NOT THE CRICKET
Hehe - Slippy
Marie
I have a small noggin and recently discovered that youth-sized ball caps fit perfectly. Hurrah!
this is what i would have to do if I wanted to wear a ball cap. :) - holly #ravingfangirl
Marie
Multiple people now (including my doctor) have told me I need to slow down a bit, relax. I have no idea how to do this. What do you do to relax?
It kind of depends. In the right circumstances, exercise is more relaxing than watching tv, but other times it's the opposite. Cooking, reading, going thrifting, and doing laundry are all things that i find relaxing, generally. Also, organizing stuff. - Kirsten from Android
Coloring. Sometimes cleaning/organizing. Going out with girlfriends. Reading. Music. - L to tha B from Android
Sleeping. - Uli
Yoga taught me how to relax. - Slippy
Knitting! Having lunch on a picnic blanket under a tree for two hours while the sun bakes me. Meditative train rides to work with music. Meditative dish washing chores. :P Naps! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Dolce far niente - the very fact that you ask what people "do" to relax speaks volumes. Exercise and hobbies can be relaxing, but mastering the art of doing nothing may be what you need - Laura Norvig from iPhone
For myself, reading, watching TV, going for a walk in a park, playing video games - whatever lets me 'let go' of doing anything else while I'm doing it. - Jennifer Dittrich
One thing I do is to consciously relax as many muscles as I can. It's surprising how much tension I carry in my face without realizing until I relax. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
What Laura said. Just staring off at nothing is something I'm trying to reclaim. Whiling away time on nothing in particular. And I'm all with Uli on the sleep thing. - MoTO: Team Marina
Learn from a cat? They're pretty good at it. - RepoRat
^^this. Cats are Zen masters. - Corinne L
LB mentioned coloring. Several of my friends were coloring (yes, coloring books) for a while for relaxation. I bought some stained glass and art deco ones at the museum gift shop for a friend. - Betsy
Simply Caroline
I feel so peaceful and happy right now. I'm really lucky. Good night.
Good night soft dreams - WarLord
Thanks - Simply Caroline from iPhone
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I had a dream I was getting married and the dress had a string of rainbow LED lights along the hem. WTF?!
viewing too many photos out of Burning Man before bed? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan from YouFeed
I hope the led colors were programmable by providing a custom CSS file. We can dream, right? - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Burning Man isn't my thing. :P Micah, that part wasn't in my dream but I figure that's done with Arduino. :) - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Been watching gypsy wedding shows? - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Hahaha! Maybe I should be! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Anyway it's hard to plan meetups when I can't sort people by where they live. Flergh.
Just VAL #TEAMMARINA
50 years ago tonight I went to Forest Hills Stadium,NY to see my very first concert.....THE BEATLES!!!.
Nice! My first was Elton John in 1973. (I'm not going to count Terry Jacks and The Poppy Family at the PNE.) - Ken Morley
i didn't start going to shows until 1984. David Gilmour of Pink Floyd. - Big Joe Silence
<3 - L to tha B from Android
They Might be Giants was mine. Pretty much same same as The Beatles. - Steve C Team Marina
The first concert I went to see that was my decision (my parents used to take me to shows all the time) was Megadeth, with Suicidal Tendencies opening for them. It was at the Patriot Center (GMU) on Nov. 5, 1992 - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Steven Perez
Why The Rams Cut Michael Sam, And Why His Future Still Looks Bright - http://thinkprogress.org/default...
Andy Bakun
Someday, humanity will figure out a way to keep avocado from making everything shoot out of a sandwich.
Bren
Conversely, what are the albums that you loved when they came out, but when you listen now you have no idea what you were thinking?
everything STP ever did comes to mind. - Big Joe Silence
"Nevermind" by Nirvana is a prime example of this for me. I bought into the Nirvana lie right from the get go. Now I hear those songs and just marvel at how unlistenable some of them were. - Bren
That Madonna soundtrack for Who's That Girl. I should say I tried to like it. Now ... - Eric from iPhone
Anything by New Kids on the Block. ;) On a related note, I can't listen to "Nevermind" anymore; not because I think it's bad music, but because it was sooooooooooooooo overplayed in the 90's. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" I don't want to hear for the rest of my life. - Jenny H.
I'll have to go stare at my tape collection for this one but I'm sure there are plenty. - Steve C Team Marina
Any Neil Young, Talking Heads, Stevie Nicks, Bruce Springsteen, George Thorogood, Nirvana, Pearl Jam. Some timbre in their range annoys the living crap out of me. Eddie Vedder sounds like a goat in heat to me. #fridayhates - Janet from FFHound!
There can be only one... Brain Salad Surgery by Emerson, Lake & Palmer Still like the album art though. :D - Ken Morley
Jagged Little Pill. It seemed cool at the time I suppose, but I cannot stand her voice now. At all. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Bren
Inspired by listening to "Vitalogy" after many years... what are the albums that you really just didn't like when you first heard them, but after time passed you came around to really appreciate?
most of the ones i currently like, actually. - Big Joe Silence
The first couple of Ani Difranco albums I ever heard fit this category, too. - Bren
Ænima by Tool. Meh when my dad first played it for me, but it's one of my favorites now. - Jenny H.
I think, more than albums, I have songs that I instinctively hate when I hear them but then mysteriously grow on me. "Straight Lines" by Silverchair and "Supermassive Black Hole" by Muse come to mind... - Jenny H.
Bitches Brew. I hated it viscerally as a teenager. It grew on me over time. and Sonic Youth. everybody loved Goo and I just couldn't get into it. Then I heard 100% from Dirty, and it gave me pause. Now I love both records as a reminder of those times and of their own merit. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
If we start talking jazz, I can tell you my ear was not refined sufficiently to enjoy it as a youth, try as I might. I bought "Saxophone Colossus" when I was 15, hoping to impress my more astute musician friends, but couldn't listen for more than a few minutes. Now I love it. One of the perks of aging, I guess. - Bren from iPhone
I didn't like Exile on Main St.much when I first heard it. - Ken Morley
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
All City Cannonballers rock your khaki pants off at @caledonialounge #athensga #localmusic http://t.co/I5JLG9pXqg
All City Cannonballers rock your khaki pants off at @caledonialounge #athensga #localmusic http://t.co/I5JLG9pXqg
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Tonight I try a social experiment. I don't expect it to work, but what's to lose? It's science after all.
I am so far off the reservation... so far I just used the phrase 'off the reservation'. Yikes. I give it 20 min before I chicken out. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Ok, correcting slightly. 5 more minutes before I call it. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Holy shit it worked! - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
What journal are you submitting your paper to? (Congrats!) - Spidra Webster
Ha! It's not original. I'm recreating. Still can't believe it worked - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra from Android
Uli
Uli
I-44 in Oklahoma City is closed for the next several hours due to an accident. A semi overturned and spilled its load. Which was live lobsters. After the incident last year where a truck lost hundreds of gallons of maple syrup, I wonder what will be next.
Butter? - MoTO: Team Marina
Dairy gets made around here, B. Given the trend, I'm guessing it'll be something from further away. Pineapples or some such. - Kirsten
The bacon truck. - Joe
Pancake batter? - April Russo
L to tha B
RT @cuteemergency: Waking up can be hard. http://t.co/PrNtAOYoAY
RT @cuteemergency: Waking up can be hard. http://t.co/PrNtAOYoAY
Looks like a pile of dog parts. - Kevin Johnson from Android
Ikea dog. Some assembly required, batteries not included. - April Russo
Melly - #TeamMarina
RT @laraeparker: This --> 23 Things Only People Who Hate People Will Understand http://www.buzzfeed.com/christi... via @Christian_Zamo
RT @laraeparker: This --> 23 Things Only People Who Hate People Will Understand http://www.buzzfeed.com/christianzamora/things-people-who-hate-people-know-to-be-true via @Christian_Zamo
I sent that to coworker and her response was "umm this is totally you!!" - Steve C Team Marina
A few friends sent this to me saying it got me down pat. - Anika
Shouldn't #13 be instrumentals, you know, because of "stfu & play"? - April Russo
Jessie
Cops: Meth suspects threw toilet at imagined attackers | News - Home - http://www.click2houston.com/news...
Cops: Meth suspects threw toilet at imagined attackers | News - Home
"Three people in Florida were so high on meth that police say they imagined their home was under attack, tossing a toilet and bathroom sink out the window at imaginary "intruders." Jackson County sheriff's deputies also found numerous windows shot out and multiple holes in the walls. They were called to the home by reports of suspicious noises and cries for help, the Dothan Eagle reported." - Jessie from Bookmarklet
You know, as you do. - Jennifer Dittrich
As you do in Florida, apparently. - Jessie
As if it wasnt bad enough that everyone thinks those of us that live in FL are stupid, now they all think we're meth heads too ... nice going doofuses! - Shannon - GlassMistress
Not just meth heads. Toilet wielding meth heads. - Betsy
Who needs guns when there are toilets handy everywhere! - Jen
Melly - #TeamMarina
Victor Ganata
Brother and Sister Face Incest Charges, Blame 'The Notebook' - KABC 7 Eyewitness News http://abc7.com/news...
At least they weren't inspired by "Game of Thrones". I understand the incest charge, but the charge of aggravated sodomy? o_O - Victor Ganata
I've never seen a woman named Christopher before, either. - Laura
Very different result than that Brazilian couple who found out they were siblings, but plan to stay married and raise their 6yo. - Anika
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
I see you dude who touched my knee in the bus. You do it again I will break a finger.
*puts hair up* *cracks knuckles* ready - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Right? Haha! - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
L to tha B
Not #SaturdayFF: Instead of singing "c'mon, fire me up" in Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me," I sing, "c'mon and fatten me up."
I *might* have thought those were the lyrics. *cough* - L to tha B from Android
For all the calories in the sugar, it makes sense. - April Russo
Um. I was not aware those were *not* the lyrics. I mean, he's eating SUGAR. Dammit. Another Mondegreen. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
*fistbumps Colleen* - L to tha B from Android
t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
I'm the girl who realizes at lunchtime on Friday that it's a three-day weekend. ARGH!
This is not a good thing? - MoTO: Team Marina
it's ultimately good. just my reaction to being unprepared isn't the greatest at the moment. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Oh. Well, why don't you take Monday off and recuperate? *runs* - MoTO: Team Marina
ha, yeah you better run - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
At least, you didn't realize it after you got to work Monday morning. - Steven Perez
true, Steven. I've done that before and it's way worse. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Rahsheen
m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
In honor of my upcoming birthday this Monday I give all of you the day off! If you must work,I grant you holiday pay. #thatswhymysubjectsloveme
Thanks for the time and a half pay for Monday. Could you kick it to double time since it is your birthday? - Janet from FFHound!
Janet, I would for you, but then all the other kids would want it. I'm not made of money, just Power. - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
^^ :D - Janet from FFHound!
enjoy your day! and the fruits of your labor(er)s. ;) - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
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Steele Lawman
My mom arranged for my father to take Mr. 12 to PAX Prime this year, the big videogame expo in Seattle. Mr. 12 left the house a few minutes ago and they fly out of Denver this afternoon. I'm so excited for them! I hope it goes well. http://prime.paxsite.com/
I'm so glad it's your dad taking him, because I know you'll get some fabulous photos of Mr. 12 out of the deal. :) - Catherine Pellegrino
Yes, I just emailed my dad a request for a few photos of them together, since dad's usually behind the camera and not in front of it. - Steele Lawman
First snafu: Luke left his wallet at home. Luckily, dad has deep pockets. - Steele Lawman
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
One of my favorite artsits is coming to Chi but the show is 20miles from home. That's a $60+ cab ride. Maybe he's not so much my fave...
What's the show? - Betsy
Federico Aubele. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
No way to take a bus or other public transportation? - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
For that price you could rent a car for the day. - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
Or ride share? - Yvonne Renee from FFHound!
Won't rent if I want to be the drinky one! Ride sharing might be tough because of where I live but it might be the only other alternative to a cab. - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Sarah G.
RT @legoacademics: The @LegoAcademics discovered their research results posted online without appropriate attribution. http://t.co/9BAyBoAuhU
RT @legoacademics: The @LegoAcademics discovered their research results posted online without appropriate attribution. http://t.co/9BAyBoAuhU
LOOK OUT. - RepoRat
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