"So programmers continue to develop iPhone apps, even though Apple continues to maltreat them. They're like someone stuck in an abusive relationship. They're so attracted to the iPhone that they can't leave."
- Hao Chen
Yeah, pretty out of the blue. Taking the contract would put me about $400 a month ahead of unemployment (both before taxes) and in theory I could work elsewhere while doing it. It's the finding work that's the question: unemployment is high around here.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Looking at my calendar, I realize I started with this company 3 years ago almost to the day. Don't know what that matters, but it just struck me.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
When i got let go from last design job, I pleaded! I said cut my pay etc. I even made less than the other designer(s) and said cut one of them not me. Still didn't work. Desperate times!
- orionstarr
Yolanda, I thought about that too (the whole going out on my own thing), but I don't know about it yet. I don't want to to websites or design or coding, I'm not good enough at it to be competitive. Ditto photography...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That sucks! In regards to the 3 years thing, is it possible some benefits change then and they are being cheap about it?
- Justin Korn
That sucks Tina. :-( Hope you find something quick.
- Jordan Hofker
I too am sorry to hear this Tina. Its one thing if you can see it coming...quite another when you don't. Good luck Tina, I hope this gets resolved for you quickly. Start making moves girl.
- Carlos Ayala
You said it from the start. Fuck. Sorry you are going through this. I hope things get better for you starting right....NOW.
- Morgan Haley
Not really, Justin. I took a bit of a benefits cut by staying with the company once Boss bought it from the previous owner: I liked the working environment enough that it was worth it. Luckily my health insurance is through Dave's job (but unluckily he works in the newspaper industry).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Brush up the resume and start looking before it all comes crashing in. Easier to make a lateral move... Good luck! xo
- Fossil Huntress
Oh, no. So sorry to hear this, Tina. Hope you find something wonderful soon.
- Laura B.
That sux, Tina. Maybe you can find someone with complementary skills to partner with on your own thing.
- Kevin Pedraja
I'll be honest, I'm not all that interested in a lateral move or staying in this industry if I have the option, but the question then becomes where to go if I don't stay where I am. I'd love to get back into training again but I don't know that I can after being out of it for 3 years...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Sorry to hear this news. Rooting for you in Vegas, though. :) And it's a cliche, but sometimes these things happen for a reason. You know, when one door closes, another opens. Will be keeping good thoughts for you.
- Joe Bonner
Sorry *HUGS* my advice (if it matters) take the contract while you look for both contract and F/T work and let the universe help you figure it out
- Bastard Operator From FF
Sorry to hear that Tina - it really sucks (like this year hasn't been trying enough!). After the news settles in your brain will start doing it's thinky-thing and things will get moving. There are so many people here that you can bounce ideas off...((hugs))
- WorldofHiglet
Getting laid off is the new black! Not really, but someone said that when it happened to me and it's kind of true. All the coffee shops during the day are filled with us. Come make friends...and learn about all the unemployment tricks. If it helps, everyone I've met in the past 5 months has found new opportunities and are happy.
- Jess
What sort of work do you do? What sort of work are you looking for in the future?
- Scott Magdalein
My current job is (was?) a mismash created as the result of me filling in where it was needed over the years. I do Linux server admin, Oracle admin, Lotus Domino admin, and Lotus Notes development; I don't do any of it exceptionally well, just good enough. If I leave here I don't intend to stay in the same technologies (or even in tech at all), but other than that I have no clue.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Sounds like you're not really digging what you're doing anyways. Look at this as an opportunity for change. Change is usually good. :)
- Mr Saturday Morning NFG
I'm ambivalent about what I do but enjoy who I do it for. Perhaps to be more specific: I don't like what I do enough to be willing to do it for another company (and honestly, I don't have the credentials necessary for another company to hire me to do what I do now).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That bites! Can anyone help Tina find a new gig?
- Shane
here's a secret: you don't have to be *GREAT* to make money. "good enough" is oftentimes good enough to make a living. not saying you should stick with tech if that's not where your heart is. but don't let "i'm not great" keep you from doing something.
- tiffany
I agree, I'm terrible at everything. Oh, but I don't make any money. I guess that is not helpful. Good luck.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Tiffany, it's not even a matter of being good enough: I'd have to go get several certifications to get hired doing what I do now with another company just to meet the minimum qualifications. I don't enjoy it enough to do that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I am so sorry to hear this news, Tina. I wish you the best in deciding what to do and then pursuing it.
- Anne Bouey
Thanks for the kind wishes all, and I'm sorry for the language. Sometimes, though, foul words are really the words I'm looking for. This is one of those times...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I totally fucking know what you are fucking talking about. Fuck yeah. Sometimes the fucking fucks is all the fucking fuck that fucking allows the fucks to fuck the fuck fuck. Right? Fuck Yeah! So you go girl. Cut loose!
- Morgan Haley
Crap. What kind of work do you do / want to do? I know you were dealing with a couple of servers before (and DNS setup stuff) and that it was somewhat technical. Depending on what you're looking for I could check my network.
- mikepk
I appreciate it Mike, but I'm going hold off for just a little bit. I'm not really certain what I want to do or even if 'want' can come into the picture in this economy. I'm more than willing to telecommute if need be, but moving isn't an option.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So sorry, Tina! :( Hope this means an even better opportunity for you around the corner.
- Ayşe E.
I'm really sorry to hear that, Tina. I hope you get a brainstorm as to which way seems the best way forward. And I hope something really cool you'd very much like to do drops in your lap.
- Spidra Webster
Sorry to hear that and hoping something even better comes along for you.
- adf
Take the cut and start looking...big breaks always start this way.
- claudio alegre
from iPhone
Fuck fuck fuck. Here's looking at you. FF has got your back. Looking for a job as an oil tycoon maybe?
- Mike Nayyar
Tina, you're smart and and you have a good network, one way or the other you'll land on your feet. The short-term uncertainty is teh suck though :(
- LogEx
I took a full time job and lost 40% in pay for the same company; sad thing is that I do a LOT more work now...
- acedanger
Sorry to hear Tina......that really does suck!
- Bonnie Foster
Sorry to hear that Tina. Hope the rest of your time gets filled quickly with rewarding freelance projects or similar.
- Patrick Jordan
Tina: I noticed you said you don't have the credentials to perform your current job for another company ... are you sure about that? Nearly all employers value experience doing something over raw qualifications. You might want to test the waters first before making that assumption
- LANjackal
from IM
Because my current job duties were so varied and scattered about, LANjackal, I never became proficient enough at any one thing to warrant a position in another company without credentials. And to tell the truth, I'm ok with that; the biggest reason I enjoyed my job was because of where I worked, not because of what I was doing. I don't enjoy Notes/Domino/Oracle enough to want to do them at another company. I've got 10 long days to mull everything over in Vegas, so hopefully I'll come up with something =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: OK, I hear you. I was just asking.
- LANjackal
from IM
Aww, thanks, Tina. And again, I'm sorry. Here's hoping that something better's on the way for you.
- James (!?)
Bummer. Good luck. Do you have any other companies/people in mind that you'd like to work with? If you connect with me on LinkedIn, you can look through my LinkedIn contacts to see if there's anyone where you might like to work... (or I can e-mail you some PDFs). I can also look through my 2nd & 3rd level contacts to see if anyone's interesting.
- Mitchell Tsai
Wow, that's terrible! G-d willing, something better will come from this.
- David C. Cooper
Oh, damn...so sorry to hear that, Ms. Tina. :(
- JA Castillo
Very sorry for you, Tina. Hope this becomes a new beginning for some better opportunities in the future. All the best.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Sorry, Tina. I agree with claudio...I would take the PT contract, spend free time looking for a new job (I have faith you'll find something you like!), and give them 2 weeks notice when the next gig is rdy2go.
- Hao Chen
Sorry Tina :( Are you sure that your company can do that? Are you the only one with this problem or are involved also some collegues?
- Roberto
from fftogo
:-( I'm sorry, Tina. That really is the massive fucking suck. Hmm... hey, Morgan! Do you know whether women get severance whores, too? http://ff.im/3tgPa
- Ladybug Heather
Roberto, there are currently only 2 people at my company: Boss and myself. All of my main job duties revolve around handling our biggest client, so the offer to got part-time contract is so I could take care of their issues when they arise. Boss handles most of the remaining clients But they are all smaller contracts.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Solidarity: I had to go on furlough two days a week starting several weeks ago. Effectively a 40% pay cut.
- DGentry
Boooooooooooooo! Ssssssssss! That sucks, I'm sorry Tina. Chin up, you'll get through it.
- You.
from iPhone
So sorry to hear about that Tina. :( So not cool
- Alex Scoble
Full sympathy Tina -- go pro skating?
- Stephen Mack
LOL! Stephen, I'd have to be able to skate well for that to be an option. I'm good at hitting and controlled falling, but skating isn't my strong point just yet.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
"Pro" just means they pay you, not that you're good at it though!
- Stephen Mack
Well, then that takes roller derby out of the question, no one gets paid in flat track derby. Actually, we all pay dues to be on the team...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And the roller derby t-shirt sale profits go to?
- Stephen Mack
They go into the team fund, which pays for renting out the place we have our bouts. It's a new team, no cash right now. Our league is setup as a non-profit, though, so once they have enough capital to cover expenses then profits from our bouts and merch sales will be donated to a local charity (we're actually in the process of picking one). EDIT - I just realized, that might mean that my monthly dues are tax deductible. Dunno...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I see. Ah well. There may be more to explore with the pro skater angle that. Warped Enigma World Skating Tour?
- Stephen Mack
layoff, you will have more time for tweeting, like me. Come to kosovo, like me. Life is cheap here. 50Cents for a Cappuchino.
- James Michael Mike DuPont
Don't give up, Tina. The trick is to turn the set-back into an opportunity. I know for a fact that if I hadn't been laid off at a point in time, I would be still stuck in a crappy cable-tv company instead of where I am now.
- Adrian Scicluna
James, that is very tempting, I'll have to add it to my list of inexpensive places to live =) Actually, if I were willing to move I'm actually now capable of moving to Argentina: even this li'l bit of contract cash would be enough to set Dave and me up comfortably in Cordoba. Hrm....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Sorry about the surprise/shock. After the initial shock wears off, do your best to look at the opportunity that has presented itself to you. Namely is there any way you can leverage your time to discover greater value/pay for your efforts?
- Mark Essel
:-( I missed this post. Sorry to hear it Tina. Maybe now is the perfect time to become an entrepreneur? :-)
- Jason Huebel
Doh! That's what "entrepreneur" means! Recently laid off! Thanks, Jason! Much catchier than "consultant" :)
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Tina - Would you be interested in applying for this Continental Airlines position? http://ff.im/6S4bZ Continental is my favorite airline & has been making good efforts to relate to their customers. Their rep "CO Insider" has been very active on the FlyerTalk forums, and it feels to me like they "get" internet communication better than any other US airline. "CO Looking to Hire Facebooke'r/Tweeter/Social Media Guru" [Weatherboy, FlyerTalk Forums - 8/15/09]
- Mitchell Tsai
I just read this post - you say "My current job is (was?) a mismash created as the result of me filling in where it was needed over the years." - I'm in the same kind of position and also in layoff jeopardy. No one appreciates the glue until it's gone. I'm sorry.
- Amy℠
{selects "don't like" and clicks mouse}
- Bryan R. Adams
"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead
- Ouriel Ohayon
That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred.
- Jamie
Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking.
- Hao Chen
Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases.
- Amir Gharaat
The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Friendfeed = open; facebook = closed; this would be an area i'd be happy to see facebook copy
- Alex Gawley
@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring".
- Juan Pablo González
Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style.
- david
Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed
- João Almeida
from twhirl
@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month.
- Jamie
Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others.
- Robert Scoble
Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah"
- George Smith
Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Alex Sauceda
but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"...
- Trent Olson
I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them.
- Alex Sauceda
Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't.
- Christopher Sacca
My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios.
- Russellreno
Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm
- Charlie Anzman
Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks?
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again.
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line.
- Richard Peat
Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed...
- Jean-Marc Liotier
A lot is in a name. I want to only see people who use their real names so I know where they are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
wait, you don't know Igor Thetro II... son of *the* Igor Thetro ??
- Alan Cheslow
oh, come one Scoble, my name is Marcus Debonaventure -- what's in a name ?
- General Kafka
I have to agree with Kafka. Why is the name important? What he does and what he writes count more.
- Morton Fox
Morton: I don't like him and I don't like someone who calls himself a troll. Especially since I've found over and over again that the name fit. I want to subscribe and see smart people. Not anonymous jerks. If you go jerky on me I WILL block you.
- Robert Scoble
The fact is, this is Robert's Twitter and FF and he can ban people if they look at him cross-eyed if it bugs him. He doesn't really have to justify that.
- Dana Franks
from twhirl
Think it's more that he looks like a troll....
- Rich
If someone harasses me or makes nasty comments, etc. I *might* block them but I would only resort to this if that person went out of their way to be a royal jerk and purposefully make my life miserable, oppress me, slander my name, say terrible things about me, my friends, etc, etc. In that rare case, I would see that they were stalking me and trying to harm my online identity and experience = EPIC FAIL = BLOCK
- Susan Beebe
Susan: there are so many distribution channels for anonymous jerks that I don't feel that I need to put up with that here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: So true! and I bet they exist in ALL channels available to them...nice. Being able to be selective via a BLOCK feature is therefore essential for folks who are in the limelight like you are!
- Susan Beebe
More important than a real name is consistent identity... if you're "beezlecruft" on every service and your blog, then you're a recognizable persona. This is a good thing. On the downside, you make people around you feel like an idiot by writing things like: "Here's the thing, beezlecruft..."
- Roger Benningfield
There's probably an interesting post in here somewhere on why it's necessary to announce who you're blocking. I do the same thing sometimes and always catch flack for it. Unfortunately, I've been up too many hours to properly defend myself intelligently as to why I do it, so we'll see if I'm interested in this topic tomorrow enough to post on it.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Roger: For years, I posted anonymously on the 'Net as simply "rizzn." Up until about 2 or 3 years ago, I was the only Rizzn in Google. When I wanted to go a bit more mainstream, I wound up merging the nick with my real name, partly so that there wasn't an identity split, partly for the SEO value, and partly so that folks wouldn't have to feel silly and call me Rizzn.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
one of the advantages of having the #24 most common male first name and the #16 most common last name. I can *roll with my real name...
- Jay Martin
"My name is Diego Montoya. You killed my father, not I must kill you." My favorite introduction. I like my name, Micah. Why not use it? Plus most people dont pronounce it right, so I know if you know me.
- Micah Baldwin
"My name is Inigo Montoya... you killed my father... prepare to die!"? Very good line :P
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
isn't the issue one of transparency, if the handle says "troll" & their actions are trollish, they're a troll, block makes sense
- mike "glemak" dunn
Cains..That's awesome. That's like having the name McLovin. :)
- Hao Chen
from fftogo
er... isn't the whole point of all these SM tools the ability to create your own conversation and experience? To be honest, I blocked "the troll" a few days ago. His comments to me and others were making me uncomfortable. Done, and done. It's not personal, it;'s just the way I choose to shape my social media experience.
- Sue Murphy
I'm with Robert on this one. That guy was the reason why I was looking for a way to block someone's comments from my feed.
- Dewald Pretorius
oops, sorry, I have been using my handle for like ever. Anyways, I'm the ONLY person on the web who uses puckman as a handle ;)
- Gerard van Schip
as I've used my handle for years, I've kept at it; and as I may post things which might be negative about my current employer, I want to make it harder for the HR(non tech savvy) types to find it......add-on to that, my names are not common, google and find me alone + a bunch of dead people with my names
- clarke thomas
I only use a handle because I have quite a common name. I'm not tryin' to hide behind anything!
- Sue Murphy
@scottbourne, I agree - people need to use their real identity online, otherwise what's the point?
- Rich
I had to block igorthetroll too! He was calling me bad names and commenting on everything I said with weird, nasty comments. What a boring life to be "that guy."
- Alana Taylor
A good handle when backed by a real person with a consistent personality should be nothing to be ashamed of. Handles are easier to remember. It's part of the personal brand.
- Chinkerfly
from twhirl
Chinkerfly, it's not about being easier or just as good. It's a principled matter. If you don't want to back what you say and what you do with your identity, you aren't playing the same game as a lot of us are. Speaking for myself and others like me, we're interested in using social media as a supplement to our real-world business, personal, and social relationships, not as a replacement or an alternative.
- Mark Trapp
for the sake of scoble, i've changed my comment name to the name I go by.
- clarke thomas
Just want to point to the fact that nicknames are soooo web 1.0... :-)
- Orli Yakuel
@Orli Yakuel This is oh so true! ^^
- Dan H. Racek
Igor the Troll is just annoying. I'm sure he has good intentions and all, but I can only take so much.
- Ben Parr
I don't see the value behind the whole "real name" push - this happens to be my real name, but how do you know that? What's the real difference between a handle and a real-seeming name that might not be real?
- David Worrell
You're straw-manning the issue, David. It's not just about the name: it's about a verifiable identity. If you can't be tied to an identity offline, you might as well use a nickname as it has the same effect on how people perceive you.
- Mark Trapp
This is so unfair, it's like blocking Loic Le Meur for being too much of a meur.
- Andy Roberts
I am who I say I am. I'm not hard to find. I say what I mean. I don't need to hide. If some of the sites I use would allow me to change my original name (gmail/google, flickr among others) to my real name, I would. Be yourself, life's better that way.
- Robert Kenney
ty! we had a last minute glitch with the name - a late entrant is proving more formidable than we imagined so we are having to weigh the two finalists against one another hmmm will it be Oprah Talula Nunez or Madonna Cher Nunez...such tough choices
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
a double shot espresso, isnt that just 2 cappuccinos? capp=1partEspresso+1partMilk. latte=1partEspresso+2partsmilk. so........ 2E+2Mlk=2Capps
- echostreamer
also i believe lattes are an American adoption of cappuccinos. am i correct? it does sound good though(double shot latte)
- echostreamer
Latte is the coffee drinkers equivalent of training wheels
- Mo Kargas
do people stick with lattes? I think they either graduate to cappuccinos and espresso or give up. (no offense lattes)
- echostreamer
I started with cappuccinos then moved to lattes. Less foam, smoother taste.
- Mellissa
Echo Steamer - generally, cappuccino = 1 part espresso, 1 part milk, 1 part froth. Latte = 1 part espresso, 2 parts milk, teeny bit of foam to top.
- Mellissa
I like steamed milk, don't like foam. Then again, few baristas in America make foam correctly. I do like a nice cap when in Italy.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I prefer Lattes because they're generally not as strong as a cappucino, I prefer sweet coffee. Caramel and Hazlenut Lattes are awesome.
- Bryce Roney
Why on earth would you want to override the natural taste of coffee with copious amounts of cream, milk and added flavours? Just have a milkshake
- Mo Kargas
So, that is what my local cafes call a cortado. 2 shots of espresso and 1 shot of steamed milk (or soy).
- anna sauce
Mo- because the roasting, grind, and/or preparation are so bad you have to override the bitterness. I had some high quality beans form south america and they were so sweet, you didn't need any sweetener. (BTW if you want to know what i'm talking about, checkout coffee made from Clover machines http://www.starbucks.com/clover...)
- anna sauce
thats seems right. flavors and excessive milk (lattes) are for either poor quality coffee when you just need the buzz, or for people who want in on the coffee culture but just dont like coffee. lattes are the boxed wine of the coffee world
- echostreamer
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, do not give him coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Rachael Worthington
Does it have an auxiliary line in or tape deck?
- Hao Chen
You are probably going to have to install a Bluetooth Kit. The auxilliary will allow you to hear the person, unfortuantely, you will still be using your iPhone's mic to talk. So, they might not hear you too clearly. As for the tape deck adapter, that might work.
- Gerard Lagana
No auxiliary line in nor tape deck. I think all new cars should come with an iPhone input. But I guess I will have to use my hands free till someone invents a solution.
- ElStewie
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You have my full sympathy, and compliments for a very brave post.
- Stephen Mack
Like Leo said, wishing you both the best as you transition into this new phase -- both personally and professionally. Your contributions to the community are amazing and I hope you continue to push forward enriching the lives of geeks and non geeks alike across teh tubes and internets.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Nothing more to add to Leo's comment. All the best to both of you!
- Holger Eilhard
Sorry to hear of this, but you do what you must for the both of you to be happy.
- JA Castillo
Well, I don't know you personally or professionally, but, I'm still sorry you are hurting. Hoping you two are able to get through this amicably.
- Yolanda
My condolences, Chris. As a long-time community member, I must credit you to share this information. It's never easy going through this kind of thing, but I hope all turns out well.
- David Ford
Sad to hear this; hope everything works out for you both.
- Andrew Terry
Chris, there's no formula for how to handle the public side of this, but your post seemed sufficient and decent. All the best (to everyone involved) during this difficult time.
- Micah Wittman
Whoa, so sorry ot hear that Chris. Damn.
- Josh Haley
you're still a healthy good looking if a little quirky fella - you've got plenty of relationships to look forward to :)
- Zee.
I wish you both the best, whatever happens. You've always come across as a strong guy, and your community will always be there to support you.
- deakaz
I'm so sorry for you both. It's never an easy thing; harder still to say it in public. My best wishes go with you both.
- Karoli
I dont know you nor a personal or professional , but u make me laught, learn, buy and seeing u for so many time in youtube and the stream , you are one of my best friends without knowing you Theres nothing i can say about this, but if it helps, U know we all love you too . PEACE Chris ps, sorry 4 my bad english
- elefantastico
See ya at Gnomedex Chris, any support needed and we're here for you.
- Greg Birch
:-( I'm sorry, Chris. Warm thoughts and hugs to both of you.
- Ladybug Heather
Guess it's finally time for us to get drunk and hug awkwardly.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow. Not much to add other than sorry to hear because I know it has to have been a rough time making that decision and then going through with it. Good luck to both of you. I hope things look up from here.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Sorry to hear about that, good luck, I am sure it is very difficult to go through.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Take things one day, one step, even one BREATH at a time. You will make it, Chris!
- Now Voyager
I went through this last year - it's not easy, and it's an emotional roller coaster, but you have to believe that happiness and peace lies on the other side. Best of luck.
- Iain Baker
Conversation Clusters on FF: do you want folks to connect fragmented conversations or not? (my vote = YES connect them; use a "private" room if you don't want convos connected) - http://qik.com/video/135273
See Robert Scoble's Qik video on FF Conversation clusters; micro conversations; rooms and need for better tools on FF... good piece Robert & Patrick (impromptu camera man!) http://qik.com/video/135273
- Susan Beebe
yes. stitching together memes using people is desirable, especially considering how fast the Friendfeed River of Noise runs. This is a classic cataloging technique. It's the "See also" or "Related topics" technique.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
In the new model, do you see this comment under your initial comment AND under my name ?
- martin english
from twhirl
Yes- b/c with new articles coming up I see a few diff. FF posts about it- having clustering sounds great, and like Trent's idea of "more..."
- anna sauce
I'd like to have the choice of joining the connected conversation or starting a new conversation. The private room idea is interesting, but it might be too much effort (and too much room invite spam) for most people to start a new room, invite a specific list of friends, and have them join and participate..
- Hao Chen
Certainly Not. I've watched Robert's video and I couldn't agree less with him. It would be terrible if lots of conversations were carried on behind closed doors - which is what he's advocating. It would completely defeat the purpose of having an open system where people can actually move through the social network and discover each other. Likewise it would be terrible if all of the conversations about the same content were aggregated together automatically just like reddit.
- Robin Barooah
Has anyone stopped to wonder why it is we love FriendFeed so much? I think the quality of the conversation has a lot to do with the fact that it is seeded in small groups and then grows across the social network. Duplicates may be annoying some of us, but are they such a problem that we should risk destroying the community to get rid of them?
- Robin Barooah
Robin: private conversations happen all the time. Look at Calacanis' email list or Facebook or, well, the Fortune conference I am now at. I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - agreed - and personally I don't have any problem with people like you 'manually' connecting conversations. My point is that FriendFeed is currently different - it's semi-permeable, and perhaps we love it because of that. Imagine you automatically aggregated conversations based on content and FriendFeed had 100M users - I don't want to be in a conversation with the 1% of those people who happened to post about a particular news item.
- Robin Barooah
What about this: You see the item you or one of your friends shared with its respective comments and a link (something like "more discussions") so you can see more conversations about the same item. If many of your friends shared it, you see the one with more comments first.
- Alejandro
Robert, so you have what, *thousands* of people you can have conversations with and it's not enough? Really? You could always go raise some venture capital and attempt to build a service that would allow you to have even more conversations. I don't think that should be FriendFeed's or any other company's goal though. That's not a slam on you, I just don't think these services should worry about designing to solve for your very extreme case.
- Robert Seidman
Robert: I follow 3000. That is enough. The problem we are discussing isn't that I don't have enough. Why are you changing the discussion. Actually THAT is what we are discussing! How to keep random people from changing the conversation! Heh!
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, you may have ADD. About 5 comments up (as I write this) you wrote (in THIS thread): I wish there were more choices in who I have conversations with. - Robert Scoble Or, I merely misunderstood what you meant.
- Robert Seidman
I don't see a need to connect the conversations any more than I believe there should be only one place to have a comment thread on a blog post. If Robert and others believe that commenting on FriendFeed is okay, then commenting in multiple places in FriendFeed is okay as well.
- Louis Gray
I don't see a problem with people trying to link the conversations together, but I also don't lose sleep over the fragmentation. This is another case where I would rather see conversations connected by some third party tool. I don't think it should be a FF thing. I am also pretty positive such tools already exist.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Scoble: I did watch your video Susan linked to, but I come down being with Louis and remain steadfast in the hope that FriendFeed doesn't design the service to your tastes. Here's why: you follow three thousand people. If FriendFeed scales to 10 million users you can pretty much count on 99% of them following less than 100 people. I have no doubt FriendFeed has these stats and can check it with the current base. You're such an extreme use case that you're a bad person to design this service.
- Robert Seidman
I want a feature in FF that allows me to SEE all the conversations in flight around a particular post so that I can join 1 or multiple convos and comment accordingly. Currently I can NOT see the entire picture. I can't even imagine how huge the conversations would be if we had EVERYONE in the same conversation. this goes back to my request to have the ability to FLAG a convo to a particular category of interest.
- Susan Beebe
Robert: I'm not designing this service, first of all. Second of all, I've shown it to a LOT of people and the #1 thing they tell me why they don't come back? "It's too noisy." So, there's something wrong with the design that's keeping it from going really big, so I seriously doubt we'll get to 10 million users anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: you should learn to use the search. Go to the "Everyone" tab. Then search on something. You'll see all conversations, including from people you've previously blocked or hidden. In fact, this would be a killer feature: to be able to search the main topic of a comment cluster right from a link at the bottom of the cluster. Sort of like Techmeme lets you turn on search if you want (it's in the preferences on there).
- Robert Scoble
Susan I understand the flag/pin, but here's the critical piece I am missing as far as ability to see the entire picture -- why? Why does anyone want this? I for example am very interested in how Apple is handling Steve Job's health, but if you provided me with a tool that allowed me to read every post and every comment on this topic, there wouldn't be enough time to get through it. It could be done, but I don't see what the true benefit is beyond some illusion of control. What am I missing?
- Robert Seidman
The tools are already here to make Friendfeed pretty much anything you want. While the comment fragmenting can be mind-boggling, it also has 'some' advantages, like good or very popular pieces hitting the front page multiple times. I have invested a lot of time here and have a lot of faith in the FF team to do what works ... over time ... at the right time. Hopefully I won't be wrong. I hope I'm not in the minority I visit and clean up my own feed about once a day (IE: Items without comments ... gone).
- Charlie Anzman
@Scobelizer - people I've shown FF to have made similar 'it's too noisy' complaints. But when I've asked them what they mean it's always the FOAF stuff that they dislike - specifically the 'celebrities' who they don't have any connection with. I personally like some of what the a-list have to say, and enjoy the stream of content that I don't have time to look for, but some of my friends have switched off FOAF because of me commenting on posts by you, Arrington, etc.
- Robin Barooah
@Scobelizer - could it be that people think it's too noisy when you show it to them because your personal view is much more noisy than almost anyone elses? In fact I unsubscribed to you myself, although am subscribed to some people who are subscribed to you who act as a filter for me.
- Robin Barooah
Robin, exactly: imagine the service as intended, and not as some SNS pyramid scheme to drive traffic to your blog or Scoble/Louis Gray "super users". You follow less than 50 people, your real friends, family, co-workers. You see their pictures, their blog posts, what they find interesting to share, what music they're liking etc all in one convenient place. Too quiet for Scoble, but not too noisy for most.
- Robert Seidman
Robin: yes, that's possible, but usually the noise they mean is the duplications that they see, and also that conversations keep coming up in their face. They are used to Twitter or Facebook, which just is a straight stream. Then I teach them about hide and they usually calm down. The subscribing to noisy people is a problem, but think about a newbie: who should they follow? No one? Then FF is lame. Scoble? Great for techie geeks who like that kind of flow.
- Robert Scoble
Even if you follow a few non-noisy people you still see lots of duplication and noise. It's a real problem. Most people don't like systems like these. They don't also like participating in conversations, especially when they don't know who is participating.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobelizer - I don't disagree with those statements. I just think the solution isn't obvious and may end up being quite subtle. Also - as to newbies - perhaps it's not going to spread though people typing www.friendfeed.com into their browsers and not knowing who to follow but though word of mouth giving them some obvious personal starting points.
- Robin Barooah
Robert Scoble: Good call - I do need to learn to use the FF search better to find conversations / topics (I rarely use this feature and should do so more often - thanks!). I've only blocked 2 people and hidden FOAF on some heavy feeds (too much noise); I like REALLY like your idea of Search with main topic (parent) displayed with related topics (children) with Links to each. The Techmeme example you gave was great too - that would be cool!
- Susan Beebe
Robert Seidman: the reason I want a "Flag conversation" feature in FF is so that I can view / monitor conversations and IDEAS as they emerge. I may not participate in all those conversations, but I will scan them for sure - and I will LEARN and grow from my exposure to the marvelous ideas and concepts presented in those rich and diverse threads. I've learned much even from this one...
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- Susan Beebe
Susan, I use the Read Later Greasemonkey plugin for Flagging convos.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rasheed do you have a link to that Greasemonkey script so I can use it too... nice idea!
- Susan Beebe
Thanks, Susan. But I *do* understand why you want flag and completely agree it'd be a useful feature. What I don't understand is the value in seeing every single comment on a topic everywhere commenting on a particular topic occurs (though as Scoble notes you can get much of it via search).
- Robert Seidman
Robert Seidman: This same convo is happening in at least 3 active ares on FF with Scoble and I participating. This is where the signal is. I want to scan (not read every comment -- too time consuming -- to learn and also participate/ contribute to each related convo accordingly (although sometimes I must read all the comments in order to fully appreciate the developed maturity of a...
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- Susan Beebe
How would flagging be different from Liking?
- Mike Chelen
So how come she didn't pay him her share of the settlement, too busy twittering her mind away?
- ianf ⌘
Tina, I just checked out her blog. Check it out O_O
- Hao Chen
@Hao: How many career blogs start off with "I've had 2 abortions". I just about threw up in my mouth. Say what you want about abortion, but just bandying it about like that is just .... :S. She sounds like exactly the personality type that would fail to make a payment. Not impressed in the least. Repulsed, actually
- LANjackal
How is a twitter feed evidence for not paying anything??
- Dawn
@dawnkey: She probably tweeted that she missed a payment
- LANjackal
from IM
Then why is she surprised that it's being used as evidence? I hope he nails her. People who don't live up to court orders are dirt bags IMO, no matter what sex they are.
- Dawn
I love her blog FWIW. The kids live with her and she is the oft-broke CEO of a startup. She has trouble paying her power bill some months. I think she still maintains a rich American's lifestyle though.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: Thanks for the diligence, but no
- LANjackal
from IM
Sure she's a horrible person and all, but how would you react to this tweet of hers? "I racked up $50K in legal bills in NY and WI to be sure my son's schools adhere to special ed law. Still, after today's IEP meeting, I cry." http://friendfeed.com/penelop...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: I'm not gonna reply to that one bc I don't want to start a firestorm. All I'm saying is that I'm not following her at all
- LANjackal
from IM
She's definitely a guilty pleasure. I get a lot out of some of her posts but it's not always safe to admit to liking her blog... especially on days like today.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Daniel She seems like a person who thrives on chaos. No matter what the medium, she'll find a way to abuse it and get herself into trouble. That being said, I am glad, thanks to this FF post, I found her Twitter Feed, it's highly entertaining...
- MiaD
People *this* is why you have two feeds - a public and a private one.
- cecily
Her compulsive oversharing is one of the reasons she got rich to begin with. She can't turn it off.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
She's going to find out this won't turn out well for her. I didn't post anything revealing or incriminating about myself and still got roasted in court for writing about my case online.
- Trish R
"I told this to my divorce lawyer last week when he told me would not represent me if I didn't stop writing about my divorce. He told me that he can't represent me if I am undermining my case in my blog. I told him there is nothing worth saving more than my ability to document my life. I told him that somewhere, my husband understood this, because I published weekly documentation of our...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Daniel: Holy Hell. She def does not get the concept of Too Much Information, sheesh
- LANjackal
from IM
It's legal (at least in some situations), it's just a horrible idea because it gives the opposition unlimited ammo to attack you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Sean +1 to what Daniel said. It's just a really really really bad idea. There's no law against shooting urself in the face either
- LANjackal
from IM
Daniel is correct. It's legal to write about your case online, but do you really want everything you write being dissected in court? Everything we write is open to interpretation, and it might not be the interpretation you wanted.
- Trish R
It's an extended variation of the venerable "don't say anything to the cops unless you lawyer tells you to say it first" strategy.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
No one knew what a blog was when it happened to me (2003). The judge in my case was so upset by it that after the case was over, I was under a court order not to discuss the case or my ex online. She's making a huge mistake and she should start listening to her lawyer.
- Trish R
@Trish: I learned in a rather embarrassing manner about not talking about court cases outside of court. Defendant in traffic case happened to call me, then mentioned it in her testimony. Judge def thought something was up btwn us :S
- LANjackal
from IM
Going through a divorce myself, I've been very careful about what I post online, however, you have ask at what point does your right to a freedom of speech and to express yourself kick in as well. Or to put it another way, your right to have a life and friends?
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul: No one's telling you to shut up, and you won't be punished *under law* unless you're breaking a court gag order. But the other side can certainly use it against you. That's not a freedom of speech issue at all. Freedom != no consequences. It only means you won't break a law by doing it
- LANjackal
@Daniel - If only you could trust the advice that your lawyer gives you. I've seen lawyers do more damage than good at times with their "expert advice". LOL
- Paul OFlaherty
@Paul: Good point. Having a lawyer does not excuse you from keeping your own head screwed on ...
- LANjackal
I'm going through a nasty divorce as well, and my ex has threatened to sue me for blogging about it. He hasn't though, because the fact is if it's true, it's not libel and therefor not illegal. Then again he IS suing me for giving him herpes despite testing negative twice, so maybe that's just the next step.
- Suburban Oblivion
@Suburban Oblivion He's just a f'n idiot and you know it. This is the same guy who claims I'm an alcoholic because I told someone on Twitter that I was "The voice in your head encouraging you to drink".. LOL
- Paul OFlaherty
@Suburban T.M.I. Jesus Christ I'm gonna have to delete this thread real soon if you all don't behave :P
- LANjackal
Totally agree @MiaD.....thrives on chaos, seeks attention, drama queen.....could be this is why there's a divorce in the first place.
- Bonnie Foster
The woman is an exhibitionist. It's the same mental disorder as the guys who stand on the corner and flash. I think reading her posts is no different than staring at somebody who has obvious mental or physical problems. I don't think it should be used as entertainment.
- Dawn
It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's not about libel or slander. If you blog about your ex and you're involved in a divorce or custody case, it can show your state of mind and your attitude towards your ex and concern can be raised to the judge that this attitude might be seen by your children. If you blog about how upset you are or about your negative feelings towards your...
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- Trish R
Yep I know, I once had a poll on my site and the question was about a browser and the kind you use... and I had to explain it over and over... a lot of people realy do not have clue...
- Aline
I don't blame them. Funny listening to them though.
- Hao Chen
That is really strange, I had no idea people would not know what a browser was.
- Jack
i dont know what that means - your email is email@gmail.com? :) you can email me your snailmail to allen -at- centernetworks.com - thanks
- Allen Stern
Well, first you violate the warranty by opening the port, then you need a special serial cable... Then you XXXXXXX the XXXXXXX-XXXXX and XXXX over the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. God, I feel so dirty now.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I'm so verklempt! Yay. Congratulations. A baby born right here on friendfeed. Like that baby born at Woodstock. Or that Dead show. OK, not really, but she'll always be special to all of us.
- Laura Norvig
goddamn - Don't freak me out. I thought you babbyformed your wife again, which blew my mind as she just stated in another thread 2 days ago, that the maid has still not come and made up the room from when the last tenant occupied the space.
- Matthew DeVries
Your phrasing is highly diplomatic, Matthew. Also funny as hell.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Happy Birthday Baby!!! You've made me the happiest man on the face of the earth and I thank God EVERYDAY that he brought you into my life! I hope you enjoy your special day! XOXOXO I love you! <333 Carlos
- Live4Emma (L4S)
YAY!!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY BEAUTIFUL D'MODE SISTER!!! As soon as Dave is all better, he should be at your front door with a big bow wrapped around him. I'll take Carlos to a soccer game to keep him occupied! :-D
- Anna Haro
Thank you baby, for this, for being you and for EVERYTHING! You've made me one very happy woman and I love you too! :-* <333 Emma Oh and I don't know how you did it but thank you Mr Beckham, too! ;p
- Emma
Thanks everyone...it means the world!! :)) Anna: MY beautiful D'Mode sister....thanks doll and THAT'S, what I call one helluva birthday present and I can't wait to unwrap it....LOL ...just make sure you keep Carlos at that soccer game all afternoon!!! ;)
- Emma
happy day of birth. day of birth glad tidings. salutations on the anniversary of your exodus from the womb. Feliz Cumpleanos! Sretan Rodgendan! Otanjyobi Omedeto!
- Morgan Haley
To EVERY single one of you....thank you so much! I love you all and it means the world! :))
- Emma
Carlos: Hey!! Shhhh....It's my birthday and it's SO fair...I'm allowed Dave Gahan AND David Beckham!! LOL...now if only I could get David to take a free kick...that would make my birthday.... ;p <333
- Emma
Happy Birthday, Emma !!!! and 生日快樂 !!!We're Gemini girl.
- Renchin(Reina)
To everyone who wished me Happy Birthday, thank you ... It meant the world!! Friendfeed ... you are the best, I LOVE YOU ALL and to one very special person....I LOVE YOU...MORE!!! :)) <333
- Emma
I love you too, baby...glad you had such a fabulous day! :-)) <333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I am honest enough to say that I am a wee bit jealous of you two. Keep enjoying life and each other! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
now if only they'd drop the lame XBox Gold membership requirement for Netflix on the XBox or at least deal with the portability issue between your existing XBox 360s.
- Thomas Hawk
Of all the things they were talking about today, I think this is easily the most exciting. I wish they were slightly cheaper than retail, but I like the idea of not having a bunch of discs lying around. My only concern: RROD.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Oh, okay. I'm assuming if you get RRODed, the downloaded games should still be on your account, so you could always download them again. I've been able to add previously downloaded content back to my queue from xbox.com.
- Hao Chen
I know that, in general, drive space is cheap. But not so much for this form factor. That's my concern.
- Craig Eddy
"Sources close to MiNa claim the US Army has moved their alert level to Defcon 2. This was initiated by the alarming situation in North Korea. The US Army has over 35,000 troops stationed in South Korea, well within reach of North Korean convential weapons. North Korea has the largest artillery force (can be equipped with nuclear warheads) in the world, which adds more to the already tense situation."
- bcultral
from Bookmarklet
Not a happy camper. A lot of concern goes to my fellow military stationed on the Korean peninsula.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Il is a narcissistic megalomaniac. If he feels aged, power slipping, or is in poor health, he may try to go out with a bang (pun intended).
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Are you sure it's not surveillance level 2 and DEFCON 4?
- Hao Chen
DEFCON 2 This refers to a further increase in force readiness just below maximum readiness. The most notable time it was declared was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, although the declaration was limited to Strategic Air Command. It is not certain how many times this level of readiness has been reached.
- bcultral
if I were an enemy of the state, I would monitor the defcon level and just attack when it was on 5. Why is this public anyway? :p
- Josh Haley
Josh, it's kind of hard to hide the fact that the government goes on higher readiness. All the changes that this entails are quite visible.
- Alex Scoble
And this largely because an idiot puppet from Texas said "Axis of Evil"
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Time for 'regime change' if ever there was..
- Paul Pedersen
I thought it was because he couldn't say "nuclear". :p
- Josh Haley
They just added friendfeed integration as well. Not sure how it works however.
- Russ Jackson
Russ: There have been some screenshots of users comparing saying "Which one would have you chose" when there has been a tough call. It looks like you can import the compared films without having to take a screenshot and upload it ;)
- Nicholas James
@Brooks - It's our feeling that you really shouldn't have to go to all that trouble of, like, opening ANOTHER browser tab and clicking a bookmark or whatever, sometimes logging in, ughhhhh, so much work. So hopefully soon you won't have to leave Flickchart at all for that kind of tomfoolery. :)
- Jeremy Thompson
Louis - our friend reqs crossed, I accepted yours but had req'd also, you accepted, now I can see you twice! I'm I duped for you as well?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
This is TERRIBLY addictive and one slip-of-the-mouse can get you Smokin' Aces at the top of your list, no way to fix it :(
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Richard - As of early (VERY early) this morning, the new Undo button's there (lower-left) if you have an attack of spasming claw-hand and pick Critters 3 over Ferris Bueller. That only lets you go back one ranking, though. After that, two options: 1) use the Top 20 filter to get it out of the top spot faster, and from there it should bubble down; 2) click on that movie in your list and then hit Rank This Movie to speed through some rankings.
- Jeremy Thompson
@Richard - Rank This Movie should be your primary option in that case, but it's got a bug right now where other movies get put above it when it loses rankings, when really I think the movie being ranked should be the only one that moves around. I'll post when that's fixed.
- Jeremy Thompson
I did notice that Jeremy - slightly after I declared SMOKIN ACES IZ MY FAV MOVIE EVAR!!!! ... your suggestion would help ALOT, as I did notice that exact behavior. I'd have to re-rank almost everything to force it down to the bottom, where your solution in a few tries will take it down where it belongs OMG THAT MOVIE SMOKIN ACES IS SOOOO LAME LOL
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I think it would provide a more accurate ranking if you could start with your own list of maybe a top 10-20 and then compare the random movies with those.
- Luke Stay
I'm giving the slip-off-the-mouse bug described by myself and Louis and Jeremy a *facepalm* award cause it's an interesting failure.And, here's the forward-link to the *facepalm* award: http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker