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very good application! complimenti!
- enrico
Use this tool a lot. Saves time and works very well
- Vin Turk
Let's talk on friendfeed about my wacky idea to combine techmeme, friendfeed, google news, twitter search into 1 site:
Dan Brickley, Enrique Gutierrez, Rob Diana and 73 other people liked this
I tweeted this: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... and it got a big discussion going about what I was looking for. Here's more details:
- Robert Scoble
I was looking at the "Everyone" page here on friendfeed and realized what I wanted was the "everyone" page, but filtered to show items that were already on Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
Then I thought about all the other sites I visit every morning. Google News. Google Blog Search. Twitter search. And wondered why no one had built a "meta news" site that uses all of these. http://www.techfuga.com/ is one idea. http://www.feedly.com is another. http://www.alltop.com is another.
- Robert Scoble
As I said on Twitter, you're looking to solve a problem VERY few people have + are going to have in the future.
- Robin Wauters
But none of those satisfy. None have done a good job for me alone.
- Robert Scoble
I want the same thing. All my RSS feeds in one client, with the ability to tweet them, and have a conversation thread that you can actually follow (which for one reason or another Twitter doesn't enable very well). Add to that search capabilities that span several social networks and then you'd have a winner.
- Josue Fontanez
Robert, seems like it's already a pretty doable idea using Yahoo pipes and dupe removal...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robin: I really don't give a shit. Why does everything have to be for billions of people?
- Robert Scoble
Your wacky idea should have an algorithm to combine similar posts (links to articles, mainly). FF doesn't seem to do this very well.
- You.
Robin: a great meal happens four people at a time. No one complains that no one else can experience it.
- Robert Scoble
Everyone: There's millions to be made here. Pay attention!
- Meryn Stol
Tina: I need to learn Yahoo Pipes. Has anyone created a Pipe that does something close to this?
- Robert Scoble
@RobinWauters maybe it's a problem that people just aren't aware that they have.
- Landon
I have no capital to invest in your plan Robert, but I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, and support this idea in a non-money sort of way.
- Matthew DeVries
Robin: great technologies get built to scratch an itch all the time. Even Twitter. When they built it they had no clue that it would be popular.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure they should join such a site even if it were cool. Twitter search is destined for greatness. Imagine Live.com was the only search engine to display real-time results from Twitter.com together with their normal results? People would search for something, and not only get the usual results, but what people are saying about that right now. It would be a killer combo, something...
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- Odi Kosmatos
Scoble, why don't you quickly break down what specific value each service brings to the table? ie why do you bother going there in the first place?
- Landon
I've played around with Pipes and it's a very powerful (and not surprisingly user-unfriendly) technology.
- You.
Landon: sure. Techmeme shows me the biggest stories in Tech in a way that's unique and shows me lots of blogs that are talking about each story. Friendfeed has the best community and best "live web" search engine. Google News shows me all the news from around the world. Sports. Finance. Big city stuff. Etc. Just like your newspaper.Twitter search shows me what people are talking about right now.
- Robert Scoble
Pipes seem too complicated for my musician mind. I should have digged it more, but I don't have much time to find a perfect solution for myself. I wish I could just login to one account and everyone I'm interested in would be there.
- ilter
I'd like to be able to subscribe to notifications on a post's comments. Like FB, I guess.
- You.
Take a look at Streamy. I'm finding it to be very useful for this type of thing. Saved FF and Twitter searches like TweetDeck. Across the board service seraches. The service itself is similar to FF (with discussions, etc) but a much better RSS reader than FF. Development is ongoing with new features very few days right now it seems. http://www.streamy.com
- Kevin Kuphal
This morning I started out on friendfeed and noticed it was very slow. Then I went over to TechMeme and found lots of interesting stories and wondered if I was missing people talking about those stories over on friendfeed. So I went to the Everyone page here and started doing some searches. But was very frustrated with what came back (mostly non-English sites).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I've made a couple of pipes. The main ones grab info from 7-15 different feeds, remove dupes based on a couple of criteria and filters out keywords I don't want (which is a HUGE plus IMO). It's not perfect, and some dupes still get through because different sites put information in different places in their markup, but that's because I use so many sources. If you're using Google...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I wanted a friendfeed search that showed me news that was being discussed on Techmeme. That's what got me thinking about all this.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: I'd like to smoke your pipe! :-) I have a Yahoo account. You can email me at scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
I would want just one more element: authority. i'd like to know who submitted it and if they know their shit.
- Landon
They are integrated in my eyes, and for me.
- Richard A.
Sounds like a sort of info/comms nirvana...maybe it's an Air app, adding windows for these other services into something like what Yahoo just released which is a modest gas - Sideline.
- Thom Kennon
Robert: Would tapping into RSS be fast enough for what you want though or are you thinking more of a real time thing?
- Landon
friendfeed combines techmem, googlenew, yahoo , twitter and a lot more other sites, including itself , that is, if you sub to a room into another pvt room: !! This is a self ecusive space much like a Mandelbrot set , if you can handle it !!
- Peter Dawson
Landon: http://www.peoplebrowsr.com/ gives you some of authority because I can tag people. Someone else recommended http://oursignal.com/
- Robert Scoble
Landon: RSS isn't enough. It's not fast enough, for one, and it won't include friendfeed items for two. I'm not sure if you can even do what I want. Peter: I'm an advanced private room user here on friendfeed and it doesn't do what I want.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: I want the ranking to come along with Techmeme too. What's at the top of the page is more important than what's at the bottom. That's why RSS isn't very satisfying since that forces everything into reverse chronilogical order unless you do some wacky tricks with RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Well, I don´t know the details, but the people want to talk about popular things... other sites like Friendfeed offer this, your site must be different... what would be the difference (exactly)? I suposse the site offer the popular themes on Techmeme or Google News as topics for conversation
- HECTOR ARTURO
Robert, wouldn't it be a good idea to take the feedback and your thoughts to your blog, so you can elaborate a bit on what it is you want? You can explain in more detail and the feedback will be even more valuable.
- Robin Wauters
Hector: yup. I wish I could see conversations on friendfeed that match up to what's on Google News or on Techmeme or on Twitter search. That would be cool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- what is the problem you are trying to solve? It seems to me you posted a solution and people are madly discussing other solutions. I don't see any clear statement of the problem.
- Brian Sullivan
Robin: yup, after I think about it some more. This was mostly a brain fart I had and I like being interactive when I'm brainstorming ideas like this. Seems to have at least a few other people interested too.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: the problem is that on friendfeed it's hard to find the really good tech conversations. If you are over on Google News, it's hard to find the blogs and tweets and friendfeed conversations that are happening around the news. If you are over on Techmeme it's hard to find the stuff that's happening on Twitter or friendfeed. That tells me there's opportunity for something new to glue all of these together to make all of them more useful.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I think this is a great idea...I'm swimming in all the details of trying to sift the news and see whats really happening and what people really think about it. I also don't have as much time to go through each and every site to discover the gems-This idea certainly has the potential of being VERY useful to a good number of people. Meryn points out there are millions to be made w/ this - Correct. Directly possibly, and Indirectly FOR SURE.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's an interesting train of thought, but I'm still left wondering what you want
- Robin Wauters
Robert: I can dm or email you something I'm working on that you might like. Private - trying to launch at TC50.
- Landon
Robin: let's just take it from friendfeed for a second, to answer what I want. I want to have a site that uses the "Everyone" feed and shows me everyone who is discussing an item that's currently on Techmeme. I'd love it if it were displayed like Techmeme too. Is that understandable as to what I want? Now, that we got that, let's add Twitter search's trending topics. Cool? Now let's add Google News.
- Robert Scoble
the question is does FF support any RSS feed? if so then integrate what you want, integrating service is interesting, filtering by interest even more interesting.
- abdellah
Landon: please do. I'll keep to embargoes. scobleizer@gmail.com or you can call me at +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Here is a search that shows all of the most engaged items on friendfeed right now. (This search shows all items on the Everyone feed that have 5 comments AND five "likes."). http://friendfeed.com/search... Note how noisy it is and how unfocused it is. I'd love it if I could say "filter by Techmeme." Or "filter by what's currently on Google News."
- Robert Scoble
love that idea filtering by service :)
- abdellah
abdellah: Friendfeed can pull in any RSS feed (or most of them, anyway) but that's not what I want. I want it to display items that are already on Techmeme. RSS might play a role in that, but it isn't enough. I'd need an engine to go through the Everyone feed looking for discussions already taking place and then I'd need to display those. Techmeme's value is in its display, which isn't easy to communicate via RSS. It's a tough problem.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. Here's a quick screenshot I did from Streamy. Took seconds to create a search widget added to my FF page that shows techmeme conversations. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504.... Works the same for searching twitter as well as your RSS feeds.
- Kevin Kuphal
Well, casually. some minutes ago, I was talking about the tendences on Twitter users & those tendences can fix on your project (if is a project): http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/hectora... http://twitter.com/leugimf...
- HECTOR ARTURO
Robert: i'll buzz you now if that's cool.
- Landon
Fallon's Skimmer - http://www.fallon.com/skimmer - does a good job of the more media-centric social networks (FB, YT, etc) - maybe an AIR app is the way to tackle this as opposed to burying it in a tab that can easily lose its session/context/settings etc...
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Tina: you have the right idea here with your pipe setup & de-duping- It would be great if something could then point out where all the dupes are at the end of each entry, rate/rank by # reads (of article and originating sites), and have "authority" rating via tags perhaps imported from the likes of peoplebrowsr.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Kevin: but that shows all items that discuss Techmeme. I don't want that. Too noisy. I only want to see items that actually are ON Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
sounds like my stream, thankyou, lol :)
- chaz2b
Heavens me, Robert. I would love to have 'problems' like this. For someone whose on the interent non-stop, what would you do with all the free time you'd have If you just had one "single stop" for meta-everything? (conversations, feeds etc, etc) /tounge-slightly-in-cheek, of course ;)
- Chris Duffy
I think Pipes are probably the way to go then. You really need some logic behind the filtering. More than a typical search will give.
- Kevin Kuphal
Robert - how would you relate or tag the conversations as being on "Techmeme" or "Google News". I don't think it works if it is a mechanical connection (url referenced for instance). That kind of connection misses so much is an generally unsatisfying. It seems the connecting requires intelligence, personal involvement -- difficult to do in real time -- maybe you could pay people to do it (like Mahalo?).
- Brian Sullivan
robert, I understand yes, it is a kind a a big puzzle where all the "related" "related by what" items a cross diverse services.
- abdellah
Doesn't BackType do this? Just pump a Techmeme link through BackType's API to get everyone's comments. Example: http://www.backtype.com/connect...
- Daniel Sims
Chris: if I had this, I'd find something else to complain about. :-) Kevin: I must learn to use Pipes. Marshall Kirkpatrick showed me that last year and it looked useful, but I never had a big enough need. This is it.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel: that is very close to what I want, but not there. Backtype is mostly about federating comments, I thought. At least that's how I use it, although the link you gave me shows that it can be used in other ways. Interesting.
- Robert Scoble
brian, you are brilliant, there are 2 sort of connection "words" and "social graph", without going in AI level algorithm this may be done by investigating those 2 direction : "related words" , "related peoples"
- abdellah
as brian says it is hard if we try to make it real time , pipes are useless if we have to make it real time :)
- abdellah
Brian: you might be right that it needs to have some human involvement. Even Techmeme is learning that it's better to have atul working for them (for free, I might add!) than to have just algorithms doing the work.
- Robert Scoble
I think the issue is that the controls necessary to fine tune the conversation would look like you are flying a plane. If you want to just see everything based on a keyword at a point in time there are really easy tools but if you want to archive everything, like I do in Google Reader, have curation like Techmeme, and let friends play like friendfeed it would be a very complex interface. That's why we are talking pipes, tweetdeck, http://tradeshowmetrics.com/Default... or maybe tinker.com
- Tom
I've been advocating for integration between TechMeme and FF in terms of comments and links. Twitter threads also need to be preserved in FF. I don't use GoogleReader. Lora and I have been talking about the opposite though and things getting too connected. Hotmail, for instance, shows "what's new in your network" (Twitter, Live status, etc) by default and to me this just doesn't seem...
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- Loren Heiny
I can almost guarantee you there are at least 10 people reading this who are part of teams trying to build such a service/app. I'd guess 50% are building a web site, expecting people will add yet another site to their daily workflow or just drop some other combination of sites to use theirs. 40% are probably building Air apps, and 10% are building Mac apps. And I'd guess none of them are talking to each other, because everybody wants to be the next big thing. I wonder...
- Ken Sheppardson
...what would it take to get them all in the same room, and convince them to pool resources?
- Ken Sheppardson
Isn't it far easier to just ignore it all and serendipitously skim the occasional bit or piece of it, rather than bulk it all up and eat it whole? Use the lack of integration to your advantage. Blimey, you're probably reading every single comment on here, too!
- Ian Tindale
Ian: I am! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert (or anyone else for that matter): here's an example pipe http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... This takes a Google Blogs search for Techmeme, a FF search for Techmeme (items with > 5 likes & 5 comments), and a news.Google.com search for Techmeme. Filters out any from Scoble's site, and then permits any that are a link to Techmeme, Google News, or have...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina: that's cool, but it's not satisfying. For one, it doesn't look like either Techmeme or Friendfeed. I think I need to do a video of what I want to explain it better, but I'm off to attend the Web 2.0 expo so will noodle on that this weekend. Thanks everyone, interesting times we live in!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: this kind of pipe creates a feed that you can bring directly into FF, say into a room that you create. Just a thought.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Let's combine the whole internet into one site.... ooh wait, Google already done that.
- Amit Morson
Robert: We (BackType) certainly federate comments, but around more than their authors -- we federate around keywords (search) and content (connect) like the example Daniel showed you, which connects the conversational graph for a particular blog post. I e-mailed you about what we're doing w/ the latter. But more generally, I think FriendFeed for news is a basis for what you're...
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- Christopher Golda
@Scoble: i agree with your initial assertion that Feedly is pretty close...they've done an AMAZING job with it so far...
- .LAG liked that
I hate to pimp my own service (not really) but with our last update at justSignal.com we now have support for Twitter, Google Blog Search and Backtype - you get each as a widget that can be fully customized via CSS and incorporated into your site. You also get the DATA... which is great if you want to learn something from what you collect. FriendFeed is next on our list... Link: http://briantroy.com/blog...
- Brian Roy
@BrianRoy... everyone knows: pimpin' aint easy! i'm heading over for a look at justSignal. thx.
- .LAG liked that
LAG - love to hear your feedback/thoughts brian dot roy at cosinity dot com
- Brian Roy
@Scoble +1 for Feedly. It is FriendFeed aware.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Feedly is the service which is best on track to pull all this together.
- Sean McBride
I thought the whole point of FriendFeed was to aggregate other sources. Wouldn't it just make sense to lobby FF to add those additional things?
- Kevin Elliott
@Kevin Ah, but here's the question. Should FriendFeed be used as a 'Friend' aggregator or a 'Web Feed' aggregator ? I would prefer to use Feedly/GReader for the latter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
In a very general sense I see things headed in that direction, aggregation of news/blog/social media sources with tools for users to interact with the content. FF already does an amazing job with much of that, of course :-)
- Eric Berlin
I am working on a site like this. Will send you invite in few days
- Niraj
I'd like to be in the beta too Niraj
- Matthew DeVries
And for your next magic trick, figure out some way to deal with all of the duplicate posts... :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
and Digg?
- HECTOR ARTURO
I like this idea of yours Robert. Portal of goodness :)
- Susan Beebe
Check out http://www.memereview.com
- James Payne
I want to start calling my friends "mates" like they do in the UK. I've always thought that was cool.
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So you want to mate your friends?
- Jemm
Then, when you're online, you can spell it like 'm8'!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Will you call FriendFeed MateFeed? :D
- Tamara
that's great, mate
- Manuela
@Tamara: lol :D
- Jemm
Maaaaaaaaaaaaate! (you won't get this unless you've seen "Men Behaving Badly")
- Vicky
I was chatting with a random stranger on Omegle.com and he was from the UK and he said, "hold on, mate, my mobi's ringing" and I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A JAMES BOND MOVIE. In all seriousness, it made me want to travel and get out of my southern california ghetto.
- Derrick
Hi mate...
- Håkan Dahlström
Yar Matey! How's yer yardarm hangin'?
- Alex Scoble
Alright mate?
- Timothy Griffin
:) You have my permission, Derrick old mate :) (and I really miss ppl saying that and 'moby' instead of cell....*sigh*)
- WorldofHiglet
LOL @ "James Bond movie" comment :) Was it the young Sean Connery on the beach of Dr. No´s island ? (which would fit Alex´s accent) :)
- Thomas Bøhm
I've watched far too many documentaries to call anyone mate. And that's after living in the UK for five and a half years. I just don't feel right around the word.
- Richard A.
LOL
- Derrick
don't u mean Australia?
- fijidaddy
Hehe, Derrick. Is "pal" or "buddy" the American alternative? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Good on ya,Derrick.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I lived in the UK for a long time - and much prefer using the word mate/s - also love the word bollocks - very versatile :)
- Patrick Jordan
Hah, we need an Australian friendfeed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Kol, I find myself using 'dude' a lot. But then I was born and raised in Southern California. Patrick, let's do it, mate!
- Derrick
I'm a UKer and I love the way Aussies say Mate. My mate Karronnie from LA makes me laugh all day with his awesome accent. Need to get to the states to impress the laddies with my posh english/Bond accent
- Toby Graham
Allrighty - Matefeed - or MF for short :)
- Patrick Jordan
ahh, bollocks...Patrick has just reminded me of how great that is....as a word. To use.
- WorldofHiglet
good on ya mate. ;o) less bollox worrying what other numptys will think ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agreed: "bollocks" is an excellent word which I use at every available opportunity, company allowing of course.
- Timothy Griffin
Love using feck and fecking as well. And yeah, bollocks is just so versatile - can mean anything from great (as in 'the dog's bollocks') to rubbish - as in my reply to dopey Twitter spammer touting how they'd 'discovered' a crappy ripoff iPhone unlock site - told him I was delighted for them but site was a loada bollocks :)
- Patrick Jordan
Tosser is another very good Brit word ...
- Patrick Jordan
"Wanker" gets used in my house a lot.
- Nine
Wanker is good too, but tosser always feels like it can be said with a bit more venom (often with a close cousin of fecking just in front of it) :)
- Patrick Jordan
Not everyone in the UK calls their friends "mates".
- Nicholas James
I want to start mating with some of my friends, but fear much resistance to this idea.
- Morgan Haley
Look, pal, don't start on me with all that old bollocks, you bloody tosser
- Ian May
is 'tosser' like 'wanker'?
- Morgan Haley
Yes, Morgan, English is rich in earthy vernacular :)
- WorldofHiglet
as long as I can still fiddle with myself, I don't care what it's called.... :-)
- Morgan Haley
Perhaps you should go the whole hog and call your friends "me old china" which is short for the cockney rhyming slang for mate, china plate. Cheers Geez !
- Paul Nash
OH, if we're doing rhyming slang, I like 'bristols' ...
- Patrick Jordan
Derrick, of course - dude - how come I forget that one, it's in so many US movies. Cheers, mate!
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm just trying to think of all the various alternatives I've been called to "mate": "chap", "fella", "geeza", "matey", "bloke". Can we think of any others? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
pal, dude,buddy,crony
- Banu Pluie
Kol "China" = china plate = mate :)
- James Beake
James, :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Is Twitter trying to Create a Class System? - http://www.jamesketchell.com/2009...
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I actually hate having to automatically follow people, but I do because Twitter only lets people DM me if I follow them first. Since I want all of my followers to be able to DM me for business reasons, I need to use autofollow. If Twitter makes it possible for all my followers to DM me, I will instantly turn off my autofollower. (I'm using Jesse Stay's http://SocialToo.com service). By the way, I ++HATE++ automatic DM's, but that's a separate issue.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is also creating a class system through its suggested follower list. By "picking" certain people to have hundreds of thousands (soon to be millions) of followers Twitter is creating a two-class system that's quite stupid.
- Robert Scoble
The recommended followers thing is just dumb, how would Twitter know who a new user wants to follow? They're just celebs mostly. #Twitterfail
- Janet Fouts
I'm probably out in left field here, but it seems like, overall, the folks at Twitter have done a pretty decent job of letting the users define how the service is utilized. It's always seemed pretty remarkable to me that people would complain about the shortcomings of a free service, that, by its very design, was restrictive. Did I mention it's free?
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
twitter is simply submitting to the existing class system.
- Phil Wolff
from Alert Thingy
Robert - is this "I want all of my followers to be able to DM me for business reasons" new ? I thought you vehemently hated DM and told people to phone or email you -- is this your announcement of a change of heart?
- Brian Sullivan
Excellent point about the DM function. My personal experience with DMs has been very poor. I've had hundreds of messages, but only a handful which aren't automatically generated. The logical next step would be a more complete user profile that provided more contact information to followers. The problem then is trying to differentiate from facebook.... Thanks for sideline link Alan. That...
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- James Ketchell
Lets not get carried away here, this isnt a none profit. Twitter is nothing without its users, but its users are something without twitter. Free service doesnt automatically imply "poor service". I think we all know that Its only a matter of time before the advertising flood gates are turned on. So improving the service now is in both parties interest.
- James Ketchell
Should Early Adopters Reap The Rewards for a Startup's Growth? http://www.centernetworks.com/early-a...
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Though I am not a twitter early adopter, I tend to be one for most apps & services I use. I am currently doing kind of work with a couple companies as describe in this article: testing, reporting, feedback and so on. Sometimes in great detail, requiring hours of labor on my part. In at least one case, the company is sending me some promo items. Not much compared to the hourly rates that...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I remember how I was treated by investors and employees. Will no one involved in Twitter start another company? Fred Wilson? Really? I will be far less willing to pour thousands of hours into their next venture cause they treated early adopters like shlubs. Even Ev and Biz will probably make a crapload and then want to invest in new companies. Leo Laporte is the one who got me onto Twitter and he was treated like crap by Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
But the real question is how does the early adopter community as a whole change this dynamic? How do you deal with the fact that there's always someone who's going to do that work gratis? If you don't participate you miss out on the opportunities that the early adoption brings you that are beyond the scope of the company -i.e. Revenues derived directly & indirectly from blog & vlog coverage. How do you (we) get the companies to sign up for some clear form of reciprocation/recompense?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: that's not really true. There are a few super connectors who can really help get a much larger audience onto new services by getting excited by them. My brother, for instance, no matter how excited he is by friendfeed, has only dragged a few hundred people on here. If Leo Laporte talks about friendfeed, though, thousands sign up (I've seen this happen over and over). So, if a company then turns around and treats the super connectors like crap (like Twitter has) and they remember (they do) ...
- Robert Scoble
... then next time they come pitching they'll just stay quiet, which will retard their ability to get an audience. It's very possible they'll get that audience anyway due to other connectors, but it's a lot tougher. This is why PR people gripe about Techcrunch in private but usually treat Mike nice when it comes time to do a press tour.
- Robert Scoble
Leo is really the one who got Twitter hot at SXSW two years ago. Most people don't know that. But he talked about Twitter on TWiT two weeks before SXSW and got all the early adopters onto it before SXSW. Then when we got there it was the talk of the conference.
- Robert Scoble
So the question really remains, for the next big thing (forgetting the investors of Twitter for a moment) How do you ensure that you can change the dynamic? This story is all too often repeated. And the end result is damaged relationships, and a damaged community
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How did Twitter repay Leo? By putting far less popular people onto their suggested follower list, which, in TechCrunch's case, got him 250,000 followers already (TechCrunch had far fewer followers than Leo did before Techcrunch got put onto Twitter's list).
- Robert Scoble
Rob: make anything you do algorithmic and a meritocracy. Why is Techcrunch on the list (or Veronica, who had far fewer followers than Techcrunch did) on the suggested follower's list and not Leo? The fact that there's not an equal way to get onto this list is what screws things up. It penalizes people like Leo who brought huge numbers of people onto Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
In the case of Twitter (and the example of supporting the celebrities on the recommended users list) I think that twitter is not only screwing the early adopters (and super connectors), but in the process they're screwing the community as a whole. What value are these celebrities actually bringing to the _conversation_ ?? How many people do @iamdiddy or @The_Real_Shaq talk to? How many people do they follow? Just seems wrong all the way around.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Look at Facebook or friendfeed. Facebook is growing far faster than Twitter is and they didn't need to do a "suggested" list that was made up of Zuckerberg's friends. Neither did friendfeed. Friendfeed's list is algorithmic and is based off of people you've already added.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: bing. The thing is Twitter is arrogant. They see all the hype and let it get to their heads and forgot the people who got them there. But, worse, now "little people" like my brother know they have absolutely no chance at getting onto the top tier because they didn't bring Biz Stone cupcakes and aren't already celebrities. So, even if you don't care about A listers or early adopter/super connectors it hurts everyone (and messes with stats that could be used to suggest followers to you, like wefollow).
- Robert Scoble
The signal that sends to everyone is quite caustic.
- Robert Scoble
Leo and Kevin Rose are the reason I joined Twitter. I respect their recommendations - if they suggest elsewhere I check it out. I was on Pownce before Twitter because of that. I hope Twitter appreciates that. I know I've been treated like crap by Twitter, but I know they don't really care.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yeah, I forgot that they even treat you like crap and you're a developer. Sigh. What's worse is they probably will go onto make billions. I'll be laughing, though, if the wheels come off the train because of their arrogance. I notice that more and more people are going to Facebook, especially developer and early adopter types and friendfeed is seeing a nice pickup lately.
- Robert Scoble
well said Robert
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Agreed. Now it seems that your job, and that of others in positions like yours, is to prevent that same arrogance from infecting the other services that you want to see succeed. Like FriendFeed.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I feel much more welcomed by Facebook. Dave Morin notices me by name in the halls, and goes out of his way to say hi. I get regular announcements via press channels from Facebook. Josh Elman has been wonderful to work with - he talks and listens when you approach him. Their PR department has been through a learning curve, but I think even they are improving and have been much easier to work with.
- Jesse Stay
Robert! I haven't seen you this worked up in quite some time, but I agree with your sentiments. I gave up on twitter a while ago because I stopped having meaningful interactions there. Friendfeed on the other hand, and more recently Facebook (as much as it pains me) , have got my attention. Your take on Facebook's potential to take on Google in next gen advertising/marketing is where the next battle will be waged. Consider me among your early adopter crew. Where to next?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I'm on the verge of ditching twitter and sticking with FB and FF. The only thing is FF doesn't have a private message feature. If FB/FF were to do a public/private sort of thing where I can have IRL people I know see private info and just people in general who I "friend" online that I don't know see all my public stuff but not my private stuff they will win my eyes.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Jesse: yeah, isn't that a turnaround? Facebook is much nicer lately. Zuckerberg is a lot more confident, too. He keeps playing the shy kid, but I see him really growing his personal skills. He's definitely THE one to watch in Silicon Valley. Everyone seems to want to work there, the recruiting they are doing now is pretty extreme.
- Robert Scoble
FF needs to add more features to lists and allow private info to be shown to certain lists I add people too. That would make me completely switch. FB is so mainstream right now, but I can't import everything I do in the social web like I can with FF. And twitter...well they're like Myspace. Look at what a wasteland Myspace is right now.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Brian: this is the single worst thing I've seen a startup do to its early supporters. It has pissed off a whole community. Most of whom aren't willing to stand up and say they are pissed, because it looks bad. But they sure changed the dynamic when they did this.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: the friendfeed guys are very good at dealing with community. You can see that in how they participate here. Ev and Biz never really participated with Twitter's community. I'm not worried about arrogance here. Over at Facebook they know they are very close to finding a serious gold mine and are staying humble so that they don't miss it. If they get arrogant, it'll be after they figure it out (sort of how Google got arrogant after they did AdSense).
- Robert Scoble
I've always been confident about Facebook's development staff and knowledge. I'm not so confident about Twitter's. (Twitter also needs some better Project Management) Facebook's PR and Executive leadership has definitely turned around over the years. I really love what I'm seeing, and right now have a lot of faith in them again. I hope they continue that way.
- Jesse Stay
slayerboy: friendfeed has some new stuff coming soon. I haven't seen it yet, but have heard the rumblings. Can't wait to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
I do agree, early adopters mostly are not getting the reward they deserve. The trivia celebrity hype e.g. on Twitter may be the reason for the disappointment early adopters feel and why this debate http://friendfeed.com/e... popped up.
- Mark Jacobs
Mark: I don't want a reward, I just want to be treated fairly and equally with everyone else. In other words, if someone who has brought fewer people into the system gets a goodie, I should too. Not saying that there shouldn't be rewards for everyone who participates.
- Robert Scoble
i think Jason over @ Social Median did a good job with us early folks. he treated us well and took what we said to heart...ended up making some good changes
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Robert, you know what's interesting is that since you're saying it on Twitter or FriendFeed, Ev and Biz will never call you out on it. They seem to only pay attention to blogs. The minute you complain on your blog they notice and demand an apology. I find that interesting considering they run the service they're not even paying attention to.
- Jesse Stay
and he also placed us early birds in the "Featured Newsmakers" section on the home page. a nice touch
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Jesse: that's cool. Zuckerberg has a Twitter account so he can see what other people are saying about Facebook and respond there. Companies who don't track what's being said about them on all services are not doing a very good job.
- Robert Scoble
I think it would be a very interesting experiment if Scobleizer deletes his twitter account. What would the twitter founders react? What about Scobleizer's followers do? etc...
- imabonehead
Jeff Social Median is a well-run company. I've been impressed with how they treat people. Makes me want to use their service more.
- Robert Scoble
imabonehead: they wouldn't care. That was the point of "would a kitten die?" (Kitten is a metaphor for would Twitter care?) No. Most of my fans have already followed me here on friendfeed anyway (I have 31,000 followers here, which is far more than I had on Twitter a year ago).
- Robert Scoble
I think that's one reason Social Median sold in under a year. They are extremely well run, and I still wear their shirt proudly that they sent to me for free, at their own expense.
- Jesse Stay
Robert it's funny (and sad) that all of Twitter's competitors are using Twitter to track the conversation about them, but Twitter is not. I think that says something.
- Jesse Stay
Robert: I have noticed certainly that Ev & Biz haven't and do not partiipate in their community (in fact that was one of the first things I noticed on Twitter...and thought it strange). I'm glad you feel that way about FriendFeed. I got on here not long after I got onto Twitter, and at your suggestion I might add. I've not been a huge Facebook fan, but like the overall direction of upgrades and changes I use it more and more. I think I see correct decisions being made, despite massive outcries.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yo, Jesse: Can you go do a manual refresh of your Twitter feed here so we can talk about your whitelist Q? Sorry to borrow the thread ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: Exceptional point. One of the big uses for Twitter is brand protection and customer service. It truly is mind boggling that Twitter itself doesn't jump on that bandwagon. (Especially considering their Direct competitors use it!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's a hard question. On the one hand, early adopters provide free beta testing, free design ideas and free brutally honest evaluations of your project. On the other hand, it's kinda like the users of Open Source projects demanding a new feature for a product the haven't paid for and then complaining when it doesn't happen!
- John Rubier
John: I'm not demanding new features. I'm just asking startups to treat all users fairly (one user who does less on a system should not be treated better than another user who does more). Systems built should be meritocracies, not rewards for bringing the founder cupcakes (or worse).
- Robert Scoble
But see part of the problem, Robert, is that life's just not fair. No matter how much longer you or I or been using a service, we're just not as popular as Britney Spears or Ashton Kutcher. It's a pretty classic big fish small pond issue I'd say.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: if you're more popular than me, that's fair, but the system should treat everyone fairly. If you are less popular than me, the system shouldn't make you more popular just because you brought Biz some cupcakes. The system as it is now is NOT fair because people who had far fewer followers than, say, Leo Laporte, now have far more followers than him because Twitter's founder "picked" them to be popular.
- Robert Scoble
If startups were smart they would reward users for engagement, too. But in a fair way that everyone can have access to. The world should move toward meritocracies and away from systems where merit is thrown out the window.
- Robert Scoble
Dave: the list is 97.99% of it, yes. The fact that getting on the list is arbitrary has built a system where other services like http://www.wefollow.com are now suggesting people who were picked by Twitter to be popular, not who earned that. For instance, Leo Laporte and Guy Kawasaki and Jason Calacanis had far more followers than other people on the list and now have been passed by. Those three earned their spots on the list, and were snubbed. Not to mention that people like my brother have no chance.
- Robert Scoble
Speaking of the article, I helped Beta-test the original Qik iPhone app and even submitted several bugs. They're picking Kevin Rose over me to give the final version to. Should I get Qik for the iPhone more than Kevin Rose since I contributed more to the original product? (Note I'm just posing the question for discussion - I recognize Kevin Rose brings much more to Qik than I ever could)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I think so. Companies that only go for A listers are blowing it big time (and I give that advice to lots of companies behind the scenes). Go read my corporate blog manifesto. Here, let me go find that for you...
- Robert Scoble
Isn't your corporate blog manifesto Naked Conversations?
- Jesse Stay
http://scoble.weblogs.com/2003... -- note #7 (talk to the grassroots first).
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I wrote the corporate blog manifesto before I worked at Microsoft and long before Shel and I wrote Naked Conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Wow - that's good, sharing it with my Twitter and FriendFeed audience. I never saw that.
- Jesse Stay
Companies that bypass their most loyal people over "celebrity" stars are just trying to get the most exposure instead of using the tried and true method of word of mouth. This is how Twitter ORIGINALLY started, by word of mouth. Instead of letting that continue, they shoot themselves in the foot and move "stars" to the forefront. Treat everyone equally and you'll retain and actually gain more people. Show that you have no respect for those that built you, and you'll wonder why you were just a fad.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
That could have been written yesterday and still be applicable.
- Jesse Stay
Rewards are typically related to risk. Early adopter risk what? Wasting some of their time? Entrepreneurs put a lot more at risk. Simply grabbing on to someone's passing coattails doesn't qualify you for a reward.
- Nathan Wenzel
Nathan: bullshit. I've spent 5,000 hours on Twitter so far and I've pulled my audience from my blog over to Twitter (I have hundreds of thousands of readers per month). That was a HUGE risk to my reputation. In fact, go back and read some of the hate mail I got when I kept talking about Twitter to my blog's audience back two years ago. Many kept asking me to shut up about Twitter. Maybe they had a point.
- Robert Scoble
Show that you have no respect for those that built you, and you'll wonder why you were just a fad.
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
RScoble: easy... Companies are rewarded for their value proposition. You say you have hundreds of thousands of readers per month. That would appear to be your value proposition. If you want to make the argument that companies should reward those who bring them value, I'd agree. If you make the argument that companies should identify their high value customers and make sure those people are happy, I'd agree. But simply being among the first 100 people to sign up doesn't seem to merit much.
- Nathan Wenzel
Nathan: It's not just about being the first 100 or 1000 users. It's about putting in the time to make the service viable for a mainstream audience, and it's about using your clout (as in the case with Robert and Leo) to bring additional users to the service. How successful would Twitter be today without some of those "super-connectors" writing about it and adding to the hype? That seems to merit a great deal. Some of the tech-pundits can make or break a site with how & how much they write/speak of it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: I agree. The post and my comment was about early adopters. If the post was about "super-connectors" or "evangelists" (a new title I've been seeing a lot lately) then I would have agreed. Do I think Twitter/FF owe people like Robert something? Absolutely. But not because they're an early adopter. Because as you said, they're super-connectors.
- Nathan Wenzel
Nathan: people who are early adopters are often also evangelists and super-connectors. That's sort of the same personality type. After all, who would be stupid enough to use Twitter before all their friends were on it? Early adopters. Anyway, I don't want startups to give me anything, I just want them to build features that treat everyone fairly. The world needs more meritocracies.
- Robert Scoble
I find it hard to be an early adopter without being the evangelist. If I try an app or a service out, and it's terrible, I don't continue, and don't evangelize. If I like it, especially enough to spend the time to report, diagnose bugs, and provide feedback, I want to see it succeed, & I push the product to all my friends. I may be "little" but it's basically no different than what someone like Robert does (just less press). I want the companies I support to show they value my efforts. Pay it forward & back
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This conversation gets to the heart of social media and what is meant by community. Once a brand's early adopters build a community, the brand has an obligation to keep the brand promise. When it doesn't, like the automakers didn't by building crappy cars, the community deserts the brand. And then the brand goes bankrupt. So we have to ask "what is Twitter's brand promise and are they keeping it" before talking about early adopters and how they are treated. This is a big, important discussion.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
My expectation is almost always as an early adopter I will eventually be alienated by the service I helped. I use, I promote, I provide feedback (and being in the tech profession my feedback is not unuseful). Like most people; I do this to improve the service I am using, or eliminate the headaches I'm living in it. The most heartless version of being alienated is when a service decides they will now become a pay service and not grandfather their early customer base into the service, even for a year or two.
- Keith Barrett
So why does this seem wrong? Because the reality is that the company could NOT have gotten where it was without the early adopters. There's no way they would ever have had the resources or staff to perform the debugging, promotion, customer growth, or eventual press without that FREE public participation.
- Keith Barrett
Robert is absolutely right expecting brands to respect the contributions of those who got them off the ground. They make a cardinal error in snubbing those people because they ARE still bringing in new users and keeping existing users there. Those users are more likely to keep using the system unlike the fad group that creates an account because Oprah mentioned Twitter and never uses it. If they were really wise they would seek out and support their evangelists - even those much smaller than Leo and Robert!
- Internet Strategist
clark little photography - http://www.clarklittlephotography.com
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love!
- BEX
Crap Shore Breakers... HURT!
- Uncle CW™
his site is pretty cool though i wish photographers wouldn't watermark their pictures. i know why they do it, but it takes away from the really great photos
- Cee Bee
specializing in shorepound!
- Ňicķ
i wonder how many times he's gotten really caught up in a bad wave
- Cee Bee
San Onofre SB had shore breakers with pebbles on the beach. Hurt like a motherF'r. Granted the water was warm from the near by Nuclear Plant.
- Uncle CW™
fantastic shots!
- Chieze Okoye
I rode a 20 footer like that in Hawaii on a boogie board... Dropped me straight onto the sand, and then proceeded to drench me with 3 million gallons of water... In retrospect, I'm probably lucky to be alive right now.
- LarchOye
that might be "thrilling" the first time around, but after continually getting pounded like that i'm sure it can become a bit of a "challenge" to deal with
- Cee Bee
Those first two pictures are amazing
- Benno
Wow!
- Adriana E. Reyes
Whoa! Cool!
- Dread Pirate PJ
I would love to know how people get shots like this.
- Kevin Pedraja
OMGosh!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kevin, look at the last picture. He has a waterproof housing for the camera.
- Jauder Ho
psst Harold, I bet you'll like these...
- Kamilah Gill
I wonder how he wiped his lens between shots?
- Johnny Worthington
OMG... amazing pics...
- Harold
I just opened it up. Those *are* cool. I know those are the pics you want to take sometime, Harold.
- Kamilah Gill
wow. very cool.
- Trish Haley
MORE! He needs an RSS. Although that would defeat the purpose of him selling prints from his gallery...oh well.
- sofarsoShawn
Very impressive :O
- Joe Dawson
nice please large size
- mostafa
WTF ! how did he...nevermind
- cihanergur
wow....absolutely stunning. more please! :)
- Ebm
I'm typeless. Unbelievable shots. What photographic talent... ok so I found a few words:)
- Dave
wOoOw
- Bius
This makes me so home sick. I miss the the ocean.
- Miranda
Beautiful photography. Had me memorized.
- TranceMist
Dang watermarks :( I can't save any as my desktop wallpaper!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Amazing stuff!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
I have an appreciation for how tough those shots are to capture. Incredible!
- Rick Bucich
AMAZING!
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Imágenes Impresionantes - wonderful images
- Juan Carlos Sánchez
WOW!
- Shandiz
WoW!!!
- MohammadReza
It's not just Moses that can part the sea.
- Justin Wah Kan
Does anyone know if there are bigger versions of there? They would make wicked Wallpaper!
- Garin Kilpatrick
If you like them, tell him: http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/contact...
- Brian Johns
Some really nice photos and the colors are fantastic
- Thomas V. Fischer
from twhirl
wonderful!!
- Palak Mathur
that's some serious shore break right there! Reminds me of Sandy Beach on the east side of O'ahu.
- Josh Haley
Astounding!
- ursi
Amazing!
- Jorg Jansen
wow! ok!
- MAHDi
ceo clearspring pens a nice blog post on the future of advertising.. he's a CEO not some academic..nice job hooman http://www.widgify.com/?p=231
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"Service-Oriented Advertising" is a kin to Zeus Jones' idea of "Marketing as a Service" or Anomaly's Johnny Vulkan idea of 'Branded Utility'. Clearspring is a nice widget service - it just needs deeper connectivity functions than linking through to Social Networks.
- zeroinfluencer
David: what interests me is the expertise that clearspring has and in Hooman in particular..they have deep analytics and volume of embeds that more likely show something interesting certainly affinity in how people use social networks - eg share. I'll try to get Hooman to talk about that more
- John Furrier
@John, That would be good. Very keen to hear about the social swarming around Clearspring's Social Objects, especially how permission is accepted from users installing branded apps.
- zeroinfluencer
@misscharlie the best at PR don't act like PR. They create magical experiences that turn into freaking awesome media. :-)
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Star Wars as Classic Art http://www.somethingawful.com/d... (via @buzzfeed)
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"ShareFire is a feature-rich news aggregator that lets you share stories via AIM, Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, email and more with no copying and pasting, or dragging and dropping. ShareFire lets you read all your news in one place, and share it all in one place, too. With built-in support for over ten different ways to share stories, all you have to do is click on an article to start it cascading through your social network." [via RWW http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...]
- LouCypher
I had a look at it but there doesn't seem to be a way to flag / tag posts for later use / reading. Plus the social network support from what I read doesn't cover the ones I use - like Twitter and FriendFeed. That said it looks interesting
- Steven Hodson
I prefer google reader than other RSS reader
- Mehdi saberioon
@Mehdi .. mine reader of choice is FeedDemon and you would be hard pressed to get me away from it anymore :)
- Steven Hodson
I prefer Google reader! it's available anywhere!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
i've been using feedly, which is great. it basically adds more function to google reader
- adam garrett
The sharing part isn't the important part for me. I've been complaining about how feed centric readers are and this gives a nice example of reading posts outside the confines of a feed.
- Shawn McCollum
This is really cool. I need to try this out
- Rob Cairns
Tool for tracking tweets that received the response "That's What She Said" http://thatswh.at/ #thatswhat
Youngmin Kim, Ben Watson, Angela P. and 2 other people liked this
clever site... great for a laugh!
- Jeremy Weiss
lol, why would anyone... ok, nevermind
- Peter Efland
Barbie Plays A Modular Moog - http://www.synthtopia.com/content...
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Facebook Reverts Terms of Service After Complaints - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
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i think this is just a PR play. eventually, incrementally, everything in that loathsome T.O.S. will bleed its way back into the "contract" FB has with their users (present company included). they showed their hand. after the uproar dies down, all your base will still belong to FB.
- .LAG liked that
I'm sure the vast majority of users were completely unaware of the fuss.
- Jinni
Agreed. The language is so condescending. We didn't get it wrong. You stupid users just didn't understand.
- Anton Mannering
from twhirl
Facebook's history of doing the wrong thing continues...
- Chris Luckhardt
@Chris what's the right thing in this situation?
- Joel
Joel: removing the "we can change the TOS whenever we like and you automaticly accepted it" would be a nice start.
- Marcos Marado
GM says it may kill the Hummer brand. http://online.wsj.com/article...
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No big loss!
- Jeff P. Henderson
<deadpan> That's just awful. I may weep. </deadpan>
- Ron Bailey
... hate to see the big guy go down </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
... That's a real blow to the industry </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
... got to suck for all involved </deadpan>
- Johnny Worthington
I think the only people who will weep over this are Oil company execs.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Also they will be killing off Saturn and most of Pontiac.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
I will feel bad for those who work making Hummers, but the vehicles are ridiculous. Good riddance.
- Rob McNair-Huff
Not sure I understand why they want to kill off Saturn. They are low cost, low price, relatively high mileage cars. Seems like that is what is selling right now as opposed to higher cost Buick and Cadillac models.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Who are they to go around making decisions? Seems to me, GM should be asking what their new owners (The American Taxpayer) would like them to make. Windmills or light-rail trains anyone?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
20 years ago Saturn cars were unique to the brand. Now they are rebaged GM siblings. GM sells the same chassis at Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, Saturn, Cadillac, Saab, etc... GM can save money by not having to design so many different name badges.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
They want to kill Saturn because they destroyed the brand to the point where no one's buying them and the brand has one of the worst initial and long term quality records out there.
- Alex Scoble
@ Mark, makes sense. Pontiac has some pretty ho hum looking cars, with the exception of the Solstice. I can see how some of them could be cut also.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I definitely won't miss them. http://moourl.com/ouo27
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
I think had intended to do do away with the Hummer along time ago--they just kept running out of gas on the way to work.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
This has always been GM's Achilles heel. Too many brands which weakens their focus.
- Alex Scoble
But that means Earth 2 can never happen!
- Alix Whitmire
Didn't production of the H2 stop in October or November?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's taking them this long to come to that conclusion? They deserve to go under if they can't respond to realtime market conditions.
- Jim Goldstein
Great, about time, me and my little Mazda are just plumb sick of saving the planet for everyone.
- Martin Bayly
What about the Hummers already on the road? They need to pull them back too!
- Mahesh CR
Aww.. darn.. What will all the overpriviledged yuppies and men with compensation problems do? :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
That'll make them collectors items once again...the H2 not H3.
- Mohamed J
yeah!!!
- Susan Beebe
Collector items? the H1 maybe. The H2 is a rebodied Chevy Suburban.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
But what are The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse gonna drive?
- Christopher Harley
@Christopher Range Rovers
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
the stupid mistake was killing the Hummer I, and keeping the 2 and 3. While yes, the Hummer I was the biggest impact on the environment, it was also the only one that had true unique utility that people who actually have jobs that require off-road abilities, loggers, ambulance and the like. The H2 and H3 were just market clones that had no real need to exist.
- Matthew DeVries
great news.
- andrei_c
Matthew makes a good point on the pointlessness of the Hummer 2 and 3 - in its current form killing it off is a good thing.
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Keywords that scare me on a profile: expert, trainer, coach, marketer, speaker, leader. (not deal-breakers, just scare me)
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Well, as a former customer service trainer I say BOO =P
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Obviously, it depends on context. "social media expert" and "Internet marketing coach" immediately make me believe they have no idea WTF they're talking about on either subject. Usually, it's not even a job title, just some junk they're saying they are.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I can't include trainer, coach, marketer, or speaker in those. Those are generally valid professions. "Expert" and "leader" are titles you're not supposed to give yourself, with a few exceptions for leader, such as "team leader", "leader of x troops", etc.
- xero
+1
- Jack Lhasa
I include those terms because, while they're valid professions, people re-purpose them for whatever they want when it comes to marketing online. When is the last time I saw an actual "coach" or "trainer"? Well, not sure I have yet. If I did, I didn't notice their title.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
guru is one that gets me
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
I could use .. axeholder . jaws of life user .. flame resisitant garment wearer , CPR instructor .. firetruckdriver , first aid trained - all words that would describe me , but I prefer to be *me *.. just me a "human bean" . People are too caught up on titles .. pretentious is the word ..
- johnpiercy
I agree with ben - the self proclaimed guru always makes me laugh.
- Richard McKay
to add to that .. were all just pebbles in the "Beach of Life "
- johnpiercy
I can relate--and I'm a coach. :)
- Molly Gordon
Scobleizer > It’s time for the geeks to sit down and shut up - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Arrington's got him _right where he wants him_.
- Louis Gray
I mean that Scoble has a leadership position on FriendFeed and Twitter. TechCrunch has a leadership position on blogs. As Scoble gravitates to where he is strong, and engages here, it gives him more authority. By pushing Scoble to go back to blogging, Arrington has him playing on his home turf. Why give up power if you have it? That's why Mike and other A-Listers shy away.
- Louis Gray
I have this feeling that, the more we focus on becoming more powerful, the faster this is all going to fall apart.
- Shawn Farner
I don't think Scoble really has a home turf. He's good everywhere: blogs, video, social media, conferences, et al.
- Mitch
And Shawn, that's one of the major reasons I like Robert. He's genuine. Being participatory is not about power. But for others, it can be seen that way.
- Louis Gray
Mitch, Scoble makes his own home turf due to focus and the capability to both ingest a lot of data and push out a lot of data. I do a fraction of both, and it is time-consuming! Having been at some conferences, I'll tell you he comes up whether he is there or not. :-)
- Louis Gray
Scoble is an alpha-geek. Although it has taken me a while to appreciate his contributions, for the most part I do.
- Mattb4rd
Louis: sssshhhhh, we all have Mike thinking we're playing his game now. The longer we keep him asleep the better off we all are. It's sort of like how Netscape fumbled by waking up the bear, er, Microsoft, too early. So, keep your voice down when you talk about this stuff, don't want Mike to hear us. OK? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Top 10 most embarassing moments in social media and technology journalism.
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Oops. Sorry, Robert. I'll delete the thread now. :-)
- Louis Gray
An interesting feature would be to close comments on a thread. Probably better than outright deleting a thread if you're wanting to halt a conversation.
- Mitch
Court Filing: Microsoft Knew About, Refused to Fix Xbox 360 Flaw - http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article...
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wow! ...on behalf of all XBox 360 owners. Good times for the game disc manufacturers!!
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
I love how I play two games of Solitaire at entire #LeWeb conference for a few minutes and there's a Guardian "journalist" there to document
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journalists always focus on important details ;-)
- Nicola Mattina
I know how that feels - I played a game at FOWA cause I had no wifi, and it ended up on two strangers' FF and twitter
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
that Guardian piece actually shocked me. I used to think of Guardian as a newspaper, now I don't.
- Marcos Marado
@marcos. The question is: was Le Web so horrible?
- Nicola Mattina
Nicola: I wasn't there. From what I've read from people who were there, the answer should be "no", but I won't put my hands on fire for that. Either way, even if LeWeb was that bad, or even worse, that article is bad. It doesn't talk about the conference, it doesn't show the good and the bad, it isn't impartial, it mocks some people, it gives personal attacks... it is something that I would undertand reading in a personal blog, but it *can't* be considered a journalistic piece.
- Marcos Marado
That Guardian piece actually impressed me. I used to think of Grauniad as a rather liberal, earnest rag but that article was quite funny.
- Andy C
There's a difference between news and opinion. If you can't tell them apart then gawd 'elp ya'.
- Nick Reynolds
I thought the article was funny. It's not supposed to be news, it's just a humorous opinion piece. And I'm up for the vodka fuelled sauna session in London, now where can I buy a really long straw . . .
- Kate
I'll second that!
- Nick Reynolds
Gees, sounds like someone forgot what real journalism is all about... pathetic. They need to get a life ...seriously :)
- Susan Beebe
Ok so before everyone dogpiles on the the gotcha liberal Guardian media (heh), how about some insight into the conference. Did it actually suck? (And hey, Scoble, you're a contextual public figure, this is what the media does, deal.)
- Eric Rice
Forget that, did Scoble win either of his games of Solitaire - the only game in town ?
- Andy C
Trevor: I was not judging during the session I was playing Solitaire. I was an alternate judge.
- Robert Scoble
As to the conference: the networking was top rate. Way better than many other conferences. The content? Above average. The venue? Sucked. The wifi? Abysmal. Swiss Telecom really sucks. But I go to conferences for the networking. That is the value. The content you can watch at home.
- Robert Scoble
I was at LeWeb and I was shocked by the Guardian piece. The 1st day ( was bad in terms of wifi, food and cold. The 2nd day was way better but still bad for wifi and food. Yet, this is NOT what conferences are about. As Robert says, it is about networking. And I agree 100% that the networking was awesome as well as most of the content. If the piece of Guardian was attempting to be funny, imho it failed completely. Insulting and provoking has nothing to do with humor, even the bad one.
- Nikos Anagnostou
How much did it cost for most people including airfare to 'network'?... Is this cost effective and how we might engage in business?
- Eric Rice
I mean the more say it's about networking, the more I'm curious how you'd tell your wife that oh honey I'm spending X amount of dollars to network. I'd be divorced if I pulled that logic with a straight face.
- Eric Rice
Everyone is entitled to a little "downtime"... that is NOT newsworthy. period.
- Susan Beebe
I would have thought better of The Guardian. It's the sort of 'news' one would expect of a Murdoch rag like The Sun.
- Ian May
No onder why the Guardian always seems empty
- ralphsaunders
from twhirl
seems like it was done in a hunter s. thompsonesque "gonzo journalism" style. "fear and loathing in paris," substituting socially-acceptable licorice vodka for high-powered blotter acid. the author and Scoble seem to agree that "the real networking and business is done in corridors."
- Karim
quote: "Day one's keynote firesider was Paulo Coelho — the favourite author of that girl you met on the first day of university who spent her gap year in Thailand and like totally found herself." that made me want to buy the author a licorice vodka.
- Karim
Robert, first sign that you are a celebrity... playing solitaire is noteworthy
- anna sauce
Google Chrome Has 10 Million Users; Are You One of Them? - http://mashable.com/2008...
Mathieu Ayel, tomit, Mike Reynolds and 28 other people liked this
"Google has announced that its Chrome browser is now out of beta – an unusually quick transition for Google considering that Gmail still bears the “Beta” tag, 4+ years after its launch. In the announcement, Google claims “more than 10 million active users around the Globe,” a believable number considering the roughly 1-3 percent market share according to various estimates that the browser has been able to attract so far (3.4% of Mashable readers use it too)."
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
from Bookmarklet
Yep
- Shevonne
NO I am not.
- Mona Nomura
tried it and switched back because my form-filler didn't work with it.
- BEX
No. Google has a hell of a long way to go (featurewise) if they want to catch up with Firefox.
- Eric P
No, I'm on OS X here
- Uwe Schwarz
ditto
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
No, until they do not support plugins/extensions and mac, I wouldn't have.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Half of the time. Right now I'm on Firefox. This morning, on Chrome.
- Kamilah Gill
No. When I tried it, I noticed it installed a Google update manager process. I don't think this is necessary for my usage. If there's a way to disable that, I'll give it another try.
- Wade Dorrell
Nope. I'm on Linux.
- Alejandro
No, no Mac version
- Sally Church
I was until I replaced my Sony VAIO laptop with a MacBook Pro. I really like it on Windows, though.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I am at least 4 of their users
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
It depends on their definition of "active." I have the program downloaded onto my home PC and I've used it once in the past month or so. Does that count?
- James Ferguson
Maybe 40% of the time. I don't like that Chrome doesn't tell you that it's updated. I never know what version I'm using until I specifically go look.
- Kenton
I'm one of them
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
I'll give it another chance when it supports extensions
- Paolo Feadin
me2 !
- αida®
a resounding YES!
- Nathan Chase
Google is good if you want to do something quick. I always have Firefox and Google running simultaneously. At home, I just use Safari.
- Shevonne
Yes I am! I ♥ Chrome.
- Clay Newton
No. That whole Mac thing.
- Derrick
I don't think it will be unless they do some modifications because they use the same WebKit. Could be a potential lawsuit. It's strange that Chrome took off for PC users, but Safari didn't. I wonder why.
- Shevonne
I use Google Chrome most of the time, on my computer at least, it loads much faster than Firefox, and I never was a big extension user anyway.
- Jamelle
I'm on Linux. I'm actually really hoping they'll get Picasa on OSX soon. No hurry on Chrome.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Nope. Don´t think I will be even if they did manage to release a mac version.
- Thomas Bøhm
If they get around to releasing a Mac version I'll definitely try it out. Unless they take too long in which case I'll be too miffed to care.
- Deborah Fitchett
yep. and what's more, loving it to the max.
- vijay
Yes, on 2 XP's - a god box and a decent 17 inch laptop. If you have a slower computer or at least one with a slow hard drive (caugh... laptop), then Chrome is a definite winner as it starts up soooo much faster than firefox. Loading pages seems a bit snappier too, but not as dramatic as the start up time. On a godly computer... firefox is a better choice as it scrolls much smoother with one of those smooth mouse plugs. And then there is all those other plugins too for firefox. Minor details. ;-)
- Adrian
I LOVED Chrome on my PC, but I recently just switched to Mac and really don't want to jump between Windows and OSX just to browse the web when Firefox pretty much does the trick. I just miss that light weight browser feel that Chrome has :(
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
Heck yess. Ditto on what Jamelle said; when I was using Firefox, I only had about three or four addons/extensions I used.
- deepikaur
What Adrian said. For those on high end comps chrome's edge over Fx on startup speed is negligible.
- vijay
i switch between chrome and FF
- Sarah Perez
I'm a Flock rocker...
- Gus
I was loving Chrome on XP, but that's on the other partition and I really don't go there much anymore. Although, I'm curious to see what happens with the newest firefox since the engine is at least as fast as Chrome. It's all the other bloat FFx will need to work on to keep up. As far as add-ons, meh. I don't use many and they just cause more bloat for me.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I love Chrome - and still go back and forth between it and firefox. But I need my firefox add-ons too much.
- Peter Efland
Until this is available for Macs natively, there's always Stainless which is quite similar in concept.
- Glenn Batuyong
On and off, yes.
- Kol Tregaskes
I was using it on and off, especially when using google sites like gmail and docs till I had to give up my work computer (vista), now I am back on my own macbook...no google chrome love for mac users yet
- Rajiv Doshi
I still use Firefox because I have found many frustrations with Google Chrome, especially no bookmarking and videos don't play at all, and lack of plugins. Hopefully the new version of Chrome out of beta, will solve most of these problems. I'm downloading it right now and trying it out again.
- Alvin
Yes, I love Google Chrome!
- Mike Reynolds
I love portable Chrome when I am on someone else's PC: it doesn't require PortableApps and is way faster than portable Firefox. Can't browse Facebook properly though! On my PC (which BTW has Linux on) I prefer Firefox with its extensions.
- Flavio
I'm happily one! I wish it was on the mac already!!!
- tomit
Is facebook connect really a win-win situation? - http://mrtopf.de/blog...
Dipankar Sarkar, Carsten Pötter, Tom Mack and 17 other people liked this
In this post I wonder if it really makes sense for a website to endorce facebook connect for more than just trivial things like comments.
- Christian Scholz
Writing a presentation based on the possibilities of creating a Win-Win
- Daniel W. Crompton
Interestingly : few mins ago I was discussing this matter with metaLIFE team.. we're still wondering how new startup's could use this new tech to help us enhance our services
- Robbie Kiama
I think it would help services as yours very much if Linden Lab would open up their database with common webservice such as OpenSocial. And by doing it they also should go the OAuth route instead of using their proprietary Capability system. But that has been discussed for quite a long time and so far I unfortunately do not see many signs of this to happen.
- Christian Scholz
Youths attacked stores and clashed with police across Athens
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A pupil throws an metal object towards police outside of Greece's biggest prison, in Koyrdallos, a western Athens suburb, on December 11, 2008. Youths attacked stores and clashed with police across Athens today on the sixth day of unrest sparked by the police killing of a schoolboy.AFP PHOTO/ Louisa Gouliamaki
- FlickrFan
WE WANT CHANGE
- Nikos Kouremenos
Tim Ferriss'"Trial By Fire" TV Pilot Debuts Tomorrow Night [Television] - http://lifehacker.com/5101665...
Ben Watson, Al Stevens, Susan Beebe and 5 other people liked this
Tim is one of the most interesting people I've ever met. He does stuff I wouldn't think of doing. Like this.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone watch Tim's show? Catching it on my DVR now.
- James D Kirk
DVR'd, will watch this weekend. Super-interesting guy.
- John Sirman
Interesting and cool show, really breaks down how he approaches learning new things.
- John Sirman
I was surprised by how much I liked this. Even though I think Tim is interesting, I also kind of expected his show to be annoying. But he came off very reasonable with no indication of the self-help/motivational guru cliche.
- Ben Reierson
Can we see online somewhere?
- Jorge Escobar
Can we see it from the UK?
- Scott Purdie
cool share
- Susan Beebe
My question set for the day: Those of you with Mac laptops, how often do you use the built-in video camera? Do you use it mostly for work, or for fun, or both? What are your favorite video chat applications?
Ben Watson and Shevonne liked this
I am using it all the time since I joined Seesmic.com. Now that I am relaunching my freelance business, I am going to use it as a form of podcasting.
- Shevonne
Not often. Just when I need to shoot a quick video or take a picture of myself.
- Clay Newton
I have used the camera a couple times to take avatar photos, and for Webex. Real-time video for group meetings just doesn't seem high quality enough to justify the extra fidgeting at the moment. People have terrible lighting, and add that to low-res output, and the results are underwhelming. There's a reason Cisco puts so much emphasis on lighting in their Telepresence products.
- Jason Wehmhoener
For Skype. But not very often.
- Thomas Bøhm
Never use it personally
- orionstarr
I use it for Skype, and messing in Photo booth from time to time.
- Simon Wicks
Think I used it once to take the photo for my login and then putzed around on Photo Booth for a little bit. That's about it.
- ronin
I rarelly use it. Still expecting Adium to support the built-in video camera
- Nuno Curado
from twhirl
I use it for Skype, Delicious Library and Photo Booth on the odd occasion.
- Paul Grav
Several times per day for Skype, iChat or Google Talk sessions.
- Peter van Teeseling
from twhirl
I can't wait for Adium to support the camera. Until then I don't use it too much.
- Amani
Me too Amani ... Adium + Video = Ossem
- Nadine Schaeffer
I use it to record video in video or karaoke on our website (as do thousands of other Mac owners) at http://overlay.tv
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Never. Video isn't my thang. HAAAAAAAAAAAAY HUEBEL
- Akiva Moskovitz
iChat is a really great way to stay in touch, especially with far-away contacts. Unlike a phone call, you actually feel like you're hanging out with someone.
- David Poe
Photo Booth occasionally, iChat or Skype very occasionally, MSN in Windows more often
- Timothy Griffin
I use it very often as it a very good cam. I use often with iChat (Gtalk) & Skype mostly
- Jean-François Amadei
from twhirl
I use it as a mirror for shaving...
- spin
The Twine that Binds: Q&A with Nova Spivack - http://bit.ly/i6Cfhtt...
Ben Watson and Robert Scoble liked this
Spivack gets it, "A keyword search finds haystacks, but what you really want are the needles."
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
"Long Term Government Bailout" "Long Term Capital Management" - see the connection there?
Jose Maria Pelaez and Ben Watson liked this
HOW TO: Search for Facebook Images Based on Shape, Color, Keywords ( http://mashable.com/2008... )
Nicola Quinn and Ben Watson liked this
Live like a Hobbit: Hand-Build an Earth Sheltered House For $5,000 - http://greenbuildingelements.com/2008...
M F, Abdelhadi, Sunny Lam and 30 other people liked this
This incredibly cool hobbit-like house was handbuilt for just $5,000. Make your own with minimal tools. Some assembly required.
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
I can see that as a weekend cabin maybe... but not a primary residence. Unless it was built for considerably more than $5,000 and included basics like electricity and plumbing and better weatherproofing.
- Jeremy Brooks
It's like camping.
- Chris Baskind
from IM
Good to have instructions for the post-Apocalypse.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
awesome!
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Want!
- Nadine Schaeffer
looks cozy to me - whose got the toast and tea ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
so cheap
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Good luck getting it past code.
- Dave Bonta
WANT!!!!!
- Ladybug Heather
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