0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah Wittman
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren -- feeling merry
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah Wittman
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah Wittman
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah Wittman
Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy>
- Andy Bold
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81)
- Micah Wittman
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah Wittman
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah Wittman
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren -- feeling merry
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah Wittman
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah Wittman
0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF?
- Jason Huebel
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah Wittman
So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is.
- Jason Huebel
Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too.
- Jason Huebel
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah Wittman
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren -- feeling merry
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah Wittman
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren -- feeling merry
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel!
- Micah Wittman
1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments.
- Christopher Harley
"It still works just fine. There are two kinds of audio posts, one is directly hosted by Tumblr and the other is on external sites which are not guaranteed to still be valid URLs later on."
- Bjorn Stromberg
There’s one spawn in South Ro with a 30.66666666 minute repop time that has a 10% chance of being the ancient cyclops, but he has to spawn at night. He’s on the same spawn table with a_desert_madman, a_dervish_cutthroat, a_sand_giant, and a_mummy. - http://bjornstar.com/post...
My first thought was, "Is that EQ?" and then I saw the script post. So people are still playing EQ, awesome!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
New expansion coming out pretty soon. I also can't believe people are still playing. When I get back to the right time zone I'm gonna reactivate my account and get caught up on my levels.
- Bjorn Stromberg
You realize of course that it'd require an enormous extra load on the server, with accompanying latency, every time a feed is being updated for umpteen concurrent readers? Or else, if implemented client-sidewise, near-constant rewriting of current page after local filter op.
- ianf ⌘
I'm trying to be cordial about the Flickchart haters - just saddens and frustrates me to think that some people think what we're working on is just "spam".
- Nathan Chase
Mike, there is someone who hates something that gets fed into here.
- Admiral Anika
i remember when folks were hating on photos but hiding a service help w/ that - flickchart is non-intrusive and simple fun - must be really sad folks that are hating on it
- mike "glemak" dunn
@ianf - certainly not - I wasn't implying as much, I'm just sharing my frustration from my point of view, that's all
- Nathan Chase
I certainly was wanting a "hide by keyword" for "swine flu" when that's all that seemed to be talked about non-stop
- Nathan Chase
nathan: gary's is strange because his feed shows that he has been sharing flickchart matchups so maybe he's confused, the second is private so not sure and the third is toby who i've been sub'd to for a long time - he can be snarky - i wouldn't get to caught up in haters, many folks like it :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nice, Bjorn. Adding Spymaster related spam to that now.
- Michael W. May
nice! is more FF stuff coming? ..and could this be group specific? .what i think is crucial is the ease of exclusion word setup .. could you, for example, put it on a right click? or keyboard shortcut?. thanks
- Petr Buben
Hey, I didn't know about your script, Bjorn. I like the whitelist / blacklist and link to unhide aspects. I wrote a service filtering script (functional in realtime mode) that also has keyword filtering (blacklisting only, but it's robust in that it uses a regex to a get the edge cases like avoiding false positive substring matches) http://friendfeed.com/friendf... . If you ever want to bounce off ideas on scripts for FF, just shout :)
- Micah Wittman
"Please add a button to flag content as non-serious. Better yet, implementing some sort of seriousness ranking scale would be idea. Then any item with more than, say, 10 rankings and an average serious ranking of less than 9 could be deleted automatically. Community monitoring and policing FTW.
- Ken Sheppardson
maybe allow users to decide if they want to partake in the serious web in their settings... if they elect to do so they will have the filtering applied as kshep describes (or something)
- Chris Heath
That's what the blink and marquee tags are for, right?
- Bill Sodeman
Follow twitter searches. It would be nice if we could import twitter search strings on imaginary friends in order to follow the tweets with the FriendFeed twitter integration. Adding the feed detaches the conversations from Twitter making it more cumbersome to reply to.
You could probably create an imaginary friend and import the Twitter searches as a RSS feed? But full Twitter integration is not possible from what I know.
- Kol Tregaskes
... and another Hell's angel gets its wings: look for Steve Gillmor and the keyword "track", which is related to the lack of access to the "full firehose" from twitter, which is why FF can't do what you ask. Most episodes of Gillmor Gang mention "track" or the "firehose" at least once.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I'm not sure what would be limiting this behavior. The simple matter is that FriendFeed would just need to parse the RSS feed to pull out the "tweeters" ID and then apply the same Twitter functionality to the post that it does right now for imported Tweets. Doesn't have much to do with access since all the information they need is in the feed, just not being utilized this way.
- Kevin Kuphal
+1 to what Kol said. FriendFeed allows you to import ANYTHING as long as there's an RSS feed for it.
- LANjackal
LANjackal, it allows you to import any unprotected RSS feed. If the feed is protected then try FreeMyFeed but even that sometimes cannot help, like in Twine's case. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
"Globally, Justin.tv has 22.1 million monthly uniques, compared to 15.8 million for Hulu, and 11.9 million for Veoh. While the U.S. numbers are 3.9 million for Justin.tv, 14 million for Hulu, and 4 million for Veoh. (Ustream.tv seems to be the second-largest live video streaming site with 6.7 million global monthly visitors and 1.4 million in the U.S.). These are all site numbers, Quantcast also measures “network” numbers which presumably includes videos embedded elsewhere, and those are about double the site stats for each service. Justin.tv itself claims 1,800 percent year-over-year growth in unique visitors based on its internal Google Analytics numbers."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Bjorn+1: It's like saying that movie downloads are more popular than Region 1 DVDs in England. Region 1 DVDs don't play in English machines, and neither does Hulu.
- Kevin Fox
I think this is a great example of showing NBC how stupid they're being by restricting their content from the rest of the world.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Kevin and Bjorn, the numbers quoted are global, meaning that jtv is larger globally (US + "rest of world"), in large part because hulu is us-only.
- Paul Buchheit
But our comments apply well to the title "Justin.TV is bigger than Hulu ... Overseas" Of course it is.
- Kevin Fox
Yes, I think the title was trying to be humorous, but the actual facts are impressive.
- Paul Buchheit
As Bjornstar said, geo-discrimination. Should have known that, more research next time.
- Richard A.
well considering that Hulu is unwatchable for the most part for people outside of the US I'm not overly surprised
- Steven Hodson
"How did you guys screw this up so bad? There is no excuse for getting three hits for every pageload. Sorry guys, you're off my blog."
- Bjorn Stromberg
Moreover, the word "private" is misused and misleading the way it is now. Privacy that requires cooperation and restricted feature use by all of your subscribers is just a trap.
- Antonio Piccolboni
You shouldn't be seeing posts from people with private feeds. Is your view that if someone is going to keep their own stuff private they have no right to have their comments and likes propagate to the public, or that if someone marks themselves as private, everything they do on friendfeed should be hidden to everyone they haven't approved?
- Kevin Fox
if someone marks themselves as private, everything they do on friendfeed should be hidden to everyone they haven't approved, yes.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Let's say X person has a private feed and they subscribe to me. Should I get an email saying that the person is subscribed to me? What about if they comment or like something I post. Should I be able to see that? They did it on my post. What if it's offensive? If I'm not allowed to see their stuff, how can I moderate it?
- Mark Trapp
You should be able to see comments and likes on your posts and who subscribes to you, regardless. Even if they're offensive no one will see them except you (since it's your post) and who they allow to see them.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Also their posts, comments and likes should not show up in search.
- Bjorn Stromberg
When one of the UN's representatives talked about how part of their mandate was to safeguard the human rights of everyone, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, and station, Olmos got a little heated. "You never should've invited me here," he said, before blasting the UN for continuing to use race as a term of separation, of division among peoples. His voice rose, steadily, as if years of social activism was coming to a head on this night. Then, directing his attention to the high schoolers: "Adults will never be able to stop using the word 'race' as a cultural determinant....There is only one race: the human race. SO SAY WE ALL!"
- JA Castillo
from Bookmarklet
"An AIG report to the Treasury Department last month warned that if the government didn't come to its rescue again, its collapse would trigger a "chain reaction of enormous proportion" that would "potentially bankrupt or bring down the entire system" and make it impossible for AIG to repay the billions it already owed the U.S. government. "
- newsjunk.com
This has the ring of extortion -- almost terrorism. And we really don't seem to have any idea where all this money is going. Some of these shady financial services are beginning to resemble organized crime ops. Perhaps they ARE organized crime ops.
- Sean McBride
selling insurance you can't back up is the ultimate fraud, they should go to jail.
- Bjorn Stromberg
You can take Compete's numbers with a grain of salt, of course. But if their trending is accurate, FriendFeed is failing to pace Twitter's explosive growth curve. While Twitter put the gas to the floor in January, growing over 30%, FriendFeed actually went in reverse. Twitter is red; StumbleUpon is green; and FF is blue in this graph.
- Chris Baskind
from Bookmarklet
It's because everyone is mentioning Twitter on TV, news talk radio, etc. but no one takes the time to say a thing about FriendFeed (probably because it's too hard for them to understand). Twitter is like KISS! Keep it simple stupid!
- Michael Forian
Well, I prefer Quantcast myself which shows essentially the same thing. However, look at the history - if you match Twitter from launch to FriendFeed from launch, they are very similar - with ups and downs and ... if anything it seems FriendFeed might have a slight advantage at this stage.
- AJ Kohn
Ashton Kutcher isn't on Friendfeed yet.
- Rob Haas
If this mattered you would be comparing Twitter to Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
I honestly don't care about keeping up with the Jones. Twitter is still a giant fail whale to me, and always will be. It stinks at having meaningful conversations to boot. Let Twitter have its moment in the sun, people will experience it, go meh, and move on to something more meaningful later. And, if they like meaningless, then please stay at Twitter for heaven's sake.
- Pete Delucchi
Good point AJ. StumbleUpon is in the graph. In Aug 08, they were down, but have gone up since. FriendFeed's gonna be fine.
- Hutch Carpenter
I can understand why. Twitter has been getting a ton of main stream coverage the past month or so. And Friendfeed, after having its burst in January, has been falling off a bit. You can tell that activity is a little lower now and that their aren't as many new people here. And there is still the problem of new people not really being able to break in. I've talked to people who said they tried but it was just too daunting for them.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
@Pete I like Twitter. I think that it does what it is meant to do very well. If you want to have big convos with people use Facebook or your email or something.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Matt, you're right, it does its thing, and it does it well. I just haven't ever been able to get it to work 2-way (or more) with conversations. It's really not that complicated, per se, but more often than not I feel like I'm screaming at a wall.
- Pete Delucchi
I think FF could (or already does?) suffer from the same problem popular traditional forums eventually face - new users don't feel like they belong and it gets harder and harder for newcomers to become members of the well established community. Twitter doesn't really have to worry about this problem, because it really stems from the primary feature that makes FF superior - the conversations.
- Aviv
I think that would be more true Aviv, if there were moderators, and if there were barriers to entry for new users to openly discuss in conversations here. Luckily, everyone gets to have their say, and you basically get to self-moderate with FF features like blocking and hiding. It's actually kind of cool, and I hope it takes on a bigger life soon. If it stays tight-knit, I don't really have a problem with that either, but I would like to see the developers get some bang for their buck at some point.
- Pete Delucchi
Oh, I thought the green line was the number of tweets related to food.
- l0ckergn0me
Pete, well, I think in a way we, the users, act as moderators around here. That's why Scoble will always get a minimum of 50 Likes within minutes of whatever entry he's posting. The barrier of entry for new users is actually huge IMHO, especially when their entries get pushed off the beginning of other peoples' feed rather quickly due to bumps of very popular entries.
- Aviv
Aviv has a point, but lists and rooms here make this a different and interesting environment. Twitter is really simple, so it has low barrier to entry. FF has a learning curve to it.
- Karoli
You're right Aviv, but remember that there's lots of ways to participate around here. People like Michael Arrington or celebrities like Wil Wheaton get more action on their posts than I ever will, even though they hardly if ever comment or participate in the conversation. You don't have to be the guy standing in front of the crowd to have your voice heard though.
- Pete Delucchi
Totally agree with Karoli, FriendFeed has a learning curve. It's bigger then the curve at Twitter.
- ursi
Pete, same can be said about any of the popular web forums out there. You can start a new thread, sure. You may get a reply or two, so there you go, your voice is heard there as well. But within minutes your new thread fades away and can be found on Page 2, then 3, and so on. I think that for new users FF seems more like a giant well-established forum than a place to share stuff with friends.
- Aviv
I agree with what you're saying about the learning curve. My point is that the appearance of FF as some new type of a giant message board is another obstacle contributing to the steep learning curve.
- Aviv
When I started my last job, the boss called the learning curve "drinking through a straw out of a firehose." Starting something new on the internet shouldn't be like starting a job, and shouldn't need an owner's manual of tips & tricks just to get going. That's FriendFeed all over though, and yeah, Aviv, unless that learning curve comes down to next to nothing, new/mainstream users will constantly be dealing with the firehose. I get your point, and it definitely reflects in the numbers above.
- Pete Delucchi
Speaking as someone who's been here for all of 11 days, I haven't found the learning curve to be at all daunting. (Or maybe I'm too much of a dork to know I'm doing it wrong.) This place felt like home from the start. I wasn't even looking for community, I read Thomas Hawk's piece about using it for Flickr feeds. I had Facebook for months before I started really using it. My Twitter account is mostly gathering dust. I don't see them as comparable. They fulfill different needs, suit different personalities.
- Rebecca
Has anyone done a comparison of the rate of features added to each service and rate of funding received? The features I'm talking about include minor things, like FF increasing the number of pages of history you can browse to, and include "negative features" like twitter's removing IM.
- Andy Bakun
And remember, twitter's main competitor is yelling out your window.
- Andy Bakun
Sure, the learning curve isn't insurmountable, but it is a barrier. It's probably the same reason why not everyone has a computer with UNIX as it's OS.
- Victor Ganata
To the average user (the ones who may not know the diff between mac / windows, may not know why you need a firewall, etc. the difference appears to be KISS. I can teach someone to Twitter within 5 mins, it's just like texting with a wee bit extract. On the other hand it takes a lot longer to teach them to get the most from FriendFeed.
- Mark Aitken
Well, it seems to me that FriendFeed has more to offer, so it's not surprising there's more to figure out. Then again, one doesn't have to learn all at once. I'm just picking up tips as I go along, but I found plenty to interest me within the first few minutes of exploration. I do think the Help section could stand improvement. It's quite inadequate and frustrating. I found it much easier to plunge in and try things out and to observe the customs of the locals.
- Rebecca
There are certainly lots of features which make FriendFeed more compelling, and for powerusers on the web it's a great platform, easily my favourite centralised "go to" site. In my opinion, FriendFeed isn't mainstream because you have to put things into the platform (in the form of subscribing to people, finding people). Facebook brings you content to subscribe to which makes mainstream adoptation easier for the average user. Bring content to the users in this way, FriendFeed will rise fast.
- Mark Aitken
Also, I don't fully trust Compete's numbers... I'd want to see a balanced average of the numbers across a few of these types of sites to believe the stats.
- Mark Aitken
It takes just as long to teach someone how to do twitter's _only_ feature, posting something, on Friendfeed. Right at the top it says "Post: Message". Click on that, type in your message, hit the post button. Done.
- Andy Bakun
As a geek, when I first found FriendFeed I saw it helped save me time, I don't have to hit flickr, google reader shared items, picasa, twitter, etc. to see what's happening. It's a great enabler for those of us who need this feature. The average user doesn't need this feature, they have Facebook and their friends aren't tech celebs. Twitter was already leap for these users, the iPhone makes twittering as easy as SMS, but for groups. Friendfeed doesn't have this accessiblity or demand for average users.
- Mark Aitken
Initially suprising given that a few notables are really pushing FF on Twitter, but I think a lot of people are scared of information overload. Also it is only really usefull for those who are already using a reaonable number of other social services (from a contribution perspective).
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Bullshit, friendfeed is gaining quite a bit of momentum.
- Richard A.
Alistair, I don't use that many services, but even I turned up with more than I realized. By the time I added Amazon and YouTube and other stray accounts, I found it very useful to have them aggregated, especially those I don't use often, because I tend to forget about them. If the service wants to reach more people, maybe it needs to market different assets. Social interaction wasn't one of my priorities when I signed on, but FriendFeed turned out to be something I was looking for without knowing it.
- Rebecca
During the recent bushfires in my country, Twitter did serve a valuable role in getting quicker information out than the main news services could. It was fantastic for keeping peopline informed of fire brigade incident summaries etc. However, I wish I'd known more about FriendFeed at the time because it actually would have been more useful. Aggregating various feeds obviously would have...
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- George Hall (Australia)
from Nambu
I am a big Friendfeed fan and user, but I think the Friendfeed default user interface is radically too verbose, and will make it difficult to compete with Twitter for a great deal of social media messaging. The UI needs to be modified. FF users need to have the option of hiding *all* commentary.
- Sean McBride
We're ahead of the curve on FF. Most are just now dipping their toes in social networking with Twitter.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
As someone has probably said, it's not about the number of users; more important thing would be to show how much people are using those services. Also, new Twitter users are quite potential future users for FriendFeed since many of them would be interested of better features to stay on track of what's happening. Anyway, things change and usage of services is constantly growing.
- Daniel Schildt
All this discussion about Friendfeed competing with Twitter is not valid. Friendfeed's issue is competition from Facebook, in the same way that Twitter's issue is competition from Facebook. Facebook is an private/public sharer, aggregator and a conversation engine at the same time whereas FF and Twitter are facets of those functions.
- Ian D. Nock
Friendfeed is competing with Twitter, Facebook, Feedly and Google Reader in various ways. If it doesn't realize this, then so be it. These products are not static genres -- they are rapidly mutating and merging social media tools. The most savvy synthesizer will win the game.
- Sean McBride
Sean - I think that's a good point. There are overlapping use cases. And there are only 24 hours a day. From that perspective, there is a zero sum game here.
- Hutch Carpenter
I've been using Twitter more than FF lately, reversing my own earlier trend. Why? Not sure, but I think perhaps it's easier to dip in and out of Twitter in TweetDeck than keep refreshing my FF tab in Firefox. Also Twitter is quick and dirty. I write more here in FF, as I'm not limited to 140. I can't put a finger on it though.
- Ian May
Ian -- I think I can put my finger on it (for me): on Twitter, if one has fine-tuned one's feed, one experiences a speedy flow of strong electrical pulses. Friendfeed is often a very slow slog. One doesn't always need to read the fine print to get the point. For well-developed social networks on Twitter, a very few words can say a great deal.
- Sean McBride
Man, I love these Compete Site Analytics charts. Data mining at its best. You can see what's going on at a glance.
- Sean McBride
When did Friendfeed start letting you output your stream to twitter? Tumblr just recently added the option to tweet every post as well. Both of these are going to increase Twitter numbers.
- Bjorn Stromberg
Friendfeed is not faltering on this graph... leveling out yes, not faltering. Twitter is growing like crazy - YES!
- Susan Beebe
Genie -- the main point about self-organizing and dynamically reconfigurable social media tools like Twitter and Friendfeed is that you can create or participate in whatever unique social networks you choose. Pay no attention to feeds that you don't find valuable. There are now many valuable feeds on Twitter (as well as a tremendous amount of crap).
- Sean McBride
Some of it is the time. I tend to stop work, and spend a period of time in here. Twitter I dip in and out of all day. But I very much agree with Sean. Why waste time with networks that don't give you something back?
- Ian May
Not sure this matters at all. As long as Friend Feed does not fail, the number of users is not material. I think use FF primarily as a aggregator, FB as a way of keeping in touch with RL friends, and Twitter for everything. Different functions/uses entirely.
- Justin Whitaker
Spammers are now a big problem on Twitter. They should be sent to labor camps. Perhaps I am only half-joking.
- Sean McBride
Spammers should be taken on a flight to the mid-pacific, and thrown out at 37,000 feet. It might keep the sharks away from the beaches in the summer....
- Ian May
If you take a closer look the graph is misleading https://friendfeed.com/e... & it's necessary to keep in mind that FF was launched a year later, though that's not THAT much later. Although a drop is certainly cause for concern.
- sofarsoShawn
My own personal experience over the past few weeks is that as the huge influx of new Twitterers has arrived, i've spent a lot of time interacting with them, and as a consequence, have hardly been active on ff at all. I suspect that'll change soon.
- Iain Baker
Yes. But they address different use cases so I am not sure that this graph is so critical until people know how these type of services are going to get monetize in the long run and which one can fight spam more effectively. Until then, it is going to be difficult to tell who will end up winning. I think.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Twitter has a lower entry barrier. That explains a lot. But when they learn enough and want better conversations, FF might serve them better. Unless something changes at twitter.
- Siddharth Mitra
Twitter's lower barrier to entry is SOLELY the way the page is styled.
- Andy Bakun
Andy -- Friendfeed could easily offer FF users the option to use a Twitter-style interface, but that doesn't seem to be happening. FF users are forced to page through page after page of commentary to find the few posts that most interest them. No skimming. Quite a few new users simply walk away.
- Sean McBride
You can turn the Friendfeed real-time feed (even better in the Firefox sidebar) into something very Twitter-like, only better because it constantly updates.
- LogEx
Come on, Sean. That's obviously false. FF has the ability to "like" something, which keeps it fresh in your feed if there is activity. Twitter has nothing of the sort: twitter forces you to page through page after page of commentary to find the few posts that most interest you and once you do find them, you can't follow the commentary on them.
- Andy Bakun
Andy -- I am switching back and forth between Twitter and Friendfeed home pages right now, and I am consistently finding important stuff with greater speed and ease on Twitter than on Friendfeed, precisely because I am not being forced to slog through a morass of commentary. Perhaps my Twitter feed looks different than yours. There are quite a few very smart people out there who don't have time for commentary -- they're not interested. Friendfeed needs to reach that audience and market.
- Sean McBride
Isn't the commentary the content on FF? For titles only there's GR.
- Todd Hoff
Why not make it easier for those who want to skim basic brief messages and links while skipping over the commentary? That would expand FF's user base, without in any way affecting the experience of those who like FF the way it is.
- Sean McBride
still the question - how many of you would pay for twitter, or pay for friendfeed when the time comes?? i don't think figures matter all that much now, but shows you where things are headed..
- Terry O'Fee
thats different. google have their ads, and all sorts (speaking of, where are they getting most of their money?) the money isn't going to keep rolling in for these companies. honestly sean, you're on a budget imagine, which one of these would you pay a subscription model for??
- Terry O'Fee
There will always be a reasonable free alternative. If there is not, then I may pay. Bottom line...I ain't paying for web services. Never have before. Why start now? I'd pay for premium services, but I've never seen any premium services I wanted.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Text ads are tolerable on Google. They might be tolerable on Twitter and Friendfeed. Depends on how it's done. The data that these services are collecting might be quite valuable to marketers.
- Sean McBride
i think google can afford to give away some things while getting money for other stuff, they're that big. can you say the same for twitter and friendfeed??
- Terry O'Fee
you wouldnt pay for stuff like this?? hmmm. i always love supporting products i love. i pay for last.fm, flickr, ages back LJ (before mother country bought it). how do you expect them to move forward??
- Terry O'Fee
There's no doubt twitter has had an enormous push recently in the main-stream media, particularly as a result of politicians using twitter. In this regard, being easy to use on a BlackBerry (or iPhone) helps. FF could still take off, but I'd say it's some way off.
- Sean Carmody
I do wonder what sort of impact the ready availability of mobile apps have on the popularity of Twitter (and Facebook) vs other services.
- Victor Ganata
I hate that there's not a good mobile FF that works on my phone.... but I'm not a good choice for a demographic. :D
- Wirehead
Sean, my experience was exactly the opposite when I was using twitter. I got tremendous use out of twitter when it would notify me asynchronously via IM -- that doesn't exist any more (and I don't need yet another app to run on my desktop, so things like tweetdeck are out). I guess it also is different based on what we find important. My day is not composed of solely reloading either...
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- Andy Bakun
I make heavy use of twitter, identi.ca, friendfeed, etc on the web (and via IM to some extent, when twitterspy is working). But the politicians who are generating the media coverage are all tweeting from their BlackBerries.
- Sean Carmody
Can anyone name a service (other than YouTube) that's really flourished after being acquired by Google? It really seems they must just be buying these companies for the talent.
- Ken Sheppardson
I love this service, im really hoping they continue development, any insider info?
- Kyle Weller
Writely + XL2Web + TonicSystems -> Google Docs, Keyhole -> Google Earth/Maps, Urchin + MeasureMap -> Google Analytics, JotSpot -> Google Sites, Zingku -> Google FriendConnect, Android -> Android, DoubleClick -> DoubleClick, Feedburner -> AdSense for Feeds (in-process); sorry about Dodgeball.
- Jeff
... and David Pogue's comment after the post gets it right -- a new version on new infrastructure will be coming soon. Apologies to anyone who has run into issues on the legacy version.
- Jeff
BTW, for folks who don't know, the Jeff posting on this thread is Jeff Huber, SVP of Engineering @ Google. Very cool that Jeff is hanging out here, IMO.
- Kevin Scott
Jeff: Will the new version be open source, ala Jaiku? ;-) [Thanks for the list, btw.]
- Ken Sheppardson
...or just not trying to give an exhaustive list. I was just asking for one, after all :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Great! And I use this for my local phone number here in Florida. My cell number is still from Kentucky.
- tomit
@Jeff thanks for commenting, you have revived some long lost hope in Grandcentral ;) Any more news would be awesome, update the gc blog ;)
- Kyle Weller
I'm like tomit. I use GC as my local number, as my cell number is still a Chicago area phone.
- Adam C.
Thanks for stopping by here, Jeff. :)
- Matt Cutts
It's great news that Grand Central is still alive; I use my GC number as my primary number, and I've been getting nervous not having heard anything from Google about it for so long. I'd love to see it integrated into GMail/Google Talk.
- Chris Johnson
I still have to wonder why it took a post like mine to get Google folks talking about GrandCentral again. I don't want them to promise what they may not be able to deliver, but a post every now and then on the blog teasing what we may expect in the next version...and assuring those of us who count on the service that it's still viable would be nice. That folks have to read comments on blog posts and FriendFeed to get official word is ridiculous.
- Judi Sohn
@Judi I wonder the same thing. Google wouldn't give away any state secrets by just saying, "Hang tight--we're still committed to Grand Central, and there's a new version somewhere on the horizon," especially as they were announcing the demise of some other services and people were getting antsy about Grand Central.
- Chris Johnson
This article seems sensationalist. I'm seeing improvements in GC and can't wait to start paying for it. Their communication seems to be lacking for sure and my trust in Google will take a severe hit if this service were to falter (I don't think it will), but the conclusion of this article is plain silly.
- coldbrew
Quite surprising to hear that Google keept a project like GrandCentral apparently deep sixed like this while performing a total overhaul on the infrastructure.
- Samuel Bishop
@coldbrew, I really didn't mean it to be sensationalist. With absolutely no public word for nearly a year, and Google's history of ignoring their acquisitions to death, what else was I (or anyone else) to think?
- Judi Sohn
Google does not care about a community. They just care about selling their ads. This is why what Google touches FAILS
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I use my GrandCentral every day and would personally love to have the contacts integrated with GMail for example.
- Phil Yanov
Louis did an excellent review of this service. I discovered the service last night, and I'm absolutely hooked on it. Check his post for beta invites as they wont last long.
- Mike Fruchter
anyone can send me another one? I was trying to get in via invite from mobile but likaholix screwed up ;(
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
Sasha, send me an email at mark@itafroma.com and i'll get you fixed up.
- Mark Trapp
The contest to win a Kindle is insidious, you need to be one of the top 40(?) likaholix users to be eligible.. I'll never be able to compete! Good luck though, Mike, sounds like you have a good head start.
- Phil G
Kamilah: Send me your email address if you still need an invite. jeremyb at whirljack dot net
- Jeremy Brooks
@Russelreno - don't believe the RSS feed got included. You can also send likes to FF by clicking on the FF icon right below the like something box. It uses the FF API
- Bindu Reddy
Thanks, Jeremy, too. I got the one from Mike. Now I have 9 left if anyone else needs one!
- Kamilah Gill
FF isn't picking up my likaholix likes...
- Kamilah Gill
it's because there are just too many likes from likaholix to FF... Seems like FF is rate limiting us right now...
- Bindu Reddy
ah. ok. figured as much. I guess that's alright. like some folks have said, they need to make it the 60th supported service.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah the guys at FF were super-nice and enabled it again...and yes please petition them to make it a supported service. that way people who control what they want to see :))
- Bindu Reddy
I'm http://likaholix.com/meryn , but I honestly have no clue what the value of this service might be. If anyone needs invites, drop me a line.
- Meryn Stol
Checked this app out. Very cool. Like the way it allows you to scroll through search related media content, view within interface, then enables you to add it to the "like".
- Mike Elliott
"The original source is http://gorillaartfare.com/2009... which is what the link is when you click on the picture. You couldn't even get that part right. Have fun policing the internet."
- Bjorn Stromberg
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