Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
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- pb:
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
I think there were a bunch of spam comments made to some 2009-era posts by FF employees. For some reason even after the spam is nuked, the post stays bumped.
- Stephen Mack
Yes, I blocked a spammer that was bumping old posts about FF themes and what not.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Well, let's see this as an opportunity to raise a virtual glass to Ben and FriendFeed-that-was!
- Kevin Fox
It probably had something to do with the Tornado 2.2 release. I noticed Ben was the one who posted about the release on HN earlier. Edit: Or it could have just been a spammer. *shrugs*
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I don't think it had anything to do with the tornado release - a spammer bumped a bunch of Bret's old posts today.
- Ben Darnell
You can now get a daily or weekly email digest for anybody's feed on FriendFeed. You'll get a daily or weekly email with the most popular posts from that person's feed. To get the email, click the "Email/IM" link at the top of anyone's feed, and select the "Best of day" or "Best of week" email option.
Thanks to Kevin for doing a great design for what turned out to be a more complex set of UI options than we had originally anticipated, and thanks to Tudor for implementing the email backend.
- Bret Taylor
I now get the FriendFeed Feedback posts as a Best of Day email so it doesn't fill up my feed, but I don't miss feedback. I also set up a "Best of Day" email for my "Technology people" friend list so I get a pretty good overview of tech news every day via email.
- Bret Taylor
This is a really cool idea Bret, I wish you can make that an RSS feed option as well. I'd be much more likely to read summaries in RSS than in email.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Casey: Thanks for the tip. What's the 7 before the "?" mean in the URL? The number of likes or replies needed to be included?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
this is killer, the random influx of email during the day was kinda getting fail-ish. I love the daily digest.
- Drew Lucas
Very cool! Any way to get archives of previous months? (especially helpful for those of us who leave the internet for weeks at a time...)
- Mitchell Tsai
Just curious - at what time of the day will we get these emails ? Midnight US-Time, or will it respect our timezones ?
- Ahsan Ali
Ahsan: it is somewhat random right now when the emails are sent, but we built in the backend capability to control what time they are sent, and we plan on exposing that control to users in the future. Right now, it is kind of random - sorry!
- Bret Taylor
But what exactly is "Best"? Is it anything that has a certain number of likes/comments?
- Laura Norvig
@Bret LOL THAT WAS MY PROJECT! I will release it tomorrow. But you've also did it and killed my friendfeed application **sigh** But mine has multi-reporting weekly-daily-monthly at the same time and adjustable entry count!
- Alp
@Bret please consolidate me or I won't code new apps with you api! :-)
- Alp
Alp: we were not trying to withhold data. Later today the documentation will be updated to reflect the ability to obtain "Best of" for users. The feed id will be USERNAME/summary/N (similar to "Best of" for lists)
- Benjamin Golub
Hi Ben, that is pretty funny, I tried that URL earlier today to see if it has been secretly released :)
- Paul Kinlan
Bret: While Twitter struggle to keep their fail whale under control, you guys are developing stuff like this. Amazing - Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
awesome feature, this will be highly useful for my corporate group ideas / content sharing; projects, etc.... THANK YOU :)
- Susan Beebe
Great work. I especially like that it works on lists too.
- Meryn Stol
my inbox might say different, but I like that :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Wow, this is really neat! And it links into the idea I expressed earlier, re: reducing signup friction / enabling limited guest privileges. Imagine if I could embed one of my FF rooms on my personal web site, and enable people to subscribe to that feed by e-mail with just a couple of clicks... rather than saying "you can get e-mail notifications but you have to sign up for Friendfeed first." "sign up" -- though admirably lightweight on FF -- is still a huge barrier.
- Adam Lasnik
is there a love button cause I dont like this option I LOVE this option..great work guys
- (jeff)isageek
Three options I would like (1) Can I select "top 100" instead of "top 30"? (2) Could I select both "best of day" and "best of week"? (3) How about older timeperiods? I'd love to get an e-mail with stuff from last week or Mar 2009? Start & end dates? Anything to help me read FriendFeed off-line would be great since I spend long periods off-line at festivals (especially during summer time) or overseas. - Awesome job guys!
- Mitchell Tsai
So this works on groups too, cool! But we still cannot see Best of for groups on the site on friends lists. :-( I have several friends lists that include just groups and when I select to view the best of the page it's empty (even though if I got to the individual best of for those groups there are entries there).
- Kol Tregaskes
does anyone know of a web service that can do this? (I'm thinking weekly email updates of my favorite feeds/people) I don't think there's anything like friendfeed ..
- Friendfeed's Francisco
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
we have stoplights with numbers showing how many seconds of green/red light left.
- Kirill Bolgarov
John may see a lot of people ignoring them - then he is probably riding a lot of red trucks with sirens blazing -- they often ignore them. ;-) I don't see a lot of people in Canada ignoring them
- Brian Sullivan
Graphics research is amazing. This project: sketch and label something you want a photo of, then the system finds photos on the web, cuts out the parts that it wants, and composes everything together. Watch the video too.
- Amit Patel
from Bookmarklet
This made me wonder once more how things spread through the social web. When I posted this the site was up! Then it got on gizmodo, reddit, etc. and the site went down. :(
- Amit Patel
One minute in, and we begin with a small, defenseless animal being eviscerated off-screen. Yep, this is going to be chock full of romance.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Wait, she's gonna miss the heat of Phoenix?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Forks?!? The town is named Forks?!? In a vampire movie?!?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
5:15 - Adults using slang. My brain hurts already.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Eternal youth at his command, and his first conversational gambit is about the weather?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
*wondering if the microscope is supposed to be some kind of phallic symbol*
- Steven Perez
from IM
*pout pout* I'm a emo girl with permanent worried eyebrows. My lab partner is really hot but looks really pale and he can stop suvs with his hand. *pout pout*
- Josh Haley
Yep, definitely a phallic symbol.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Did these kids go to the Anakin Skywalker School of Not Really Emoting?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
"Did your eyes just change?" "Errrrrrr ..." *runs away*
- Steven Perez
from IM
21:15 - "OMG I'M IN LOVE WITH SUPERBOY!!!"
- Steven Perez
from IM
And he totally saved her truck, too. What a dreamboat.
- Steven Perez
from IM
And here comes smarmy vampire doctor. Must have been an off-week on the soaps.
- Steven Perez
from IM
"Your vitals look good. Mind if I check by biting your neck and draining your blood?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
Wow. Mopey and a bad liar. He's definitely the hero.
- Steven Perez
from IM
25 minutes in, and I'm wondering when Blade is going to show up and start offing the cast.
- Steven Perez
from IM
OK, I need a brain break from all this emotional turmoil. Back in ten.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Ah, the things you guys miss when I go make me some tea. I came up with this awesome alternate timeline where Blade and Buffy show up and start killing off the town, just like AVP2. Actually, that movie sucked worse, but hey, I'm only half an hour into TWILIGHT. C'mon, mopey emo kids, don't let me down!!! Suck harder than AVP2!!!
- Steven Perez
from IM
aaaaaaaand, picking it up from the hospital ...
- Steven Perez
from IM
In the greenhouse now. They're having a fight. I think. I can't tell cuz they still have the same expressions on their faces all the time.
- Steven Perez
from IM
I can't wait until you get to the "THIS IS THE SKIN OF A MONSTER!" scene. :D It's my favorite.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Seriously, so far, this is the slowest vampire movie I've ever seen. And that includes the 1931 version of DRACULA.
- Steven Perez
from IM
This may save me from having to watch the movie.
- Just Katie
I'm beginning to wonder if I accidentally got a SMALLVILLE episode by mistake ... oh, wait, there's the Superman reference.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Don't feel bad, the books move even MORE slowly. Honestly, someone needs to buy Stephenie Meyer some classes on pacing and plot-building.
- Hookuh Tinypants
It is slow until, for just a few minutes, it's not. Then it's over. The visuals were pretty neat, though, and I enjoyed the music. Definitely wasn't worth $22.99 for a two-disc set.
- Ladyepiphanybug
Holy cow. I'm starting to feel that dull buzzing that indicates brain damage. Usually happens when I find myself watching some teen soap opera by mistake.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Heather: soooooooo, ... you're telling me that the one fight scene from the trailer is pretty much all the action?!? Cuz if that's true, I'm gonna reach for the KILL BILL set and review that instead. :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
Erin: It was the booze! I swear!!! :D
- Steven Perez
from IM
35:00 - FINALLY! Creepy stalker guy (I think) buys it - off-screen. WTF?!? Did Nickelodeon fund this movie?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
I just watched the movie earlier today. I could have saved myself 2 hours and some change by just waiting and reading this. Oh well, live and learn. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
O. M. G. They're trying on dresses?!? Did I pick up the E! network by mistake?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Of course, the local tribe knows all about the vampires. Duh. Why do you think there are no vampires in Native American lore? CUZ THEY KILLED THEM ALL.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Lessee: doesn't like sunlight, eyes change colors, mopey whiney emo mood swings, lousy driver, ... and now telepathy. It's so obvious. Mopey Dude is a mutant. He probably blew in from the Xavier School.
- Steven Perez
from IM
(Wait ... books?!? Plural?!?!?!?)
- Steven Perez
from IM
(Four of 'em, and a fifth online somewhere.)
- Ladyepiphanybug
GEEZ! FINALLY! Almost an hour into the film and she finally figures it out. She's a regular Lois Lane, this one.
- Steven Perez
from IM
(FOUR?!? Are they plotted as slowly as this movie?!?)
- Steven Perez
from IM
OK, pop quiz: you've just found out that the dreamy mope in your class is a vampire. Do you (a) stock up on silver and garlic and wait to ambush him and his clan or (b) go off into the woods to interrogate him all alone? If you chose (b), then this movie is for you!
- Steven Perez
from IM
Wait, so now he's a sparkly unicorn?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
He's the world's most dangerous predator?!? Now I wish that an actual Predator would show up and school his mopey ass.
- Steven Perez
from IM
OK, that's it. I give up. No mas.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Seriously, this movie hurt my brain. The dialogue must have been written by the same 7th-grade lunch table thespians that George Lucas used to write the "romantic" scenes in ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I wasn't expecting anything Whedonesque, but geez, watching this movie was like watching a CW teen drama on Ritalin.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Oy. I'm gonna go crack open that bottle of 120 proof vodka and watch a pre-1999 John Woo movie to cleanse the palate. Congratulations, LET THE RIGHT ONE IN; you're still the best vampire movie from the last 18 months.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Oh, and Leather Donut? You were right, dude: ASS.
- Steven Perez
from IM
You really reviewed this? Give me another Shiner Bock...
- Joel Robert Perez
As you can see, I only made it half-way through, but that's because I couldn't breathe because I was laughing too much. :D
- Steven Perez
Yep...that baseball scene was.......was.........WAS...................KKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!
- Joel Robert Perez
I am so copying this down for posterity once they burn this joint down. :) This is the thread that kicked off the Tex-Mex Movie Reviews with Haggis.
- Steven Perez
This is a great idea >> you should hold weekly movie reviews :P
- Angelo Rodrigues
I TOTALLY SHOULD! Maybe I can find someone to do them with me! :D
- Steven Perez
Every time a new Twilight movie comes out, I get the urge to finish the review. Then I sober up.
- Steven Perez
Wow you were moving pretty good. How does it turn?
- Harvey Johnson
.................. That.............. Is............... AWESOME!!!
- Johnny
Is this what they call re-inventing the wheel? Apart from the 'front' (steer) wheel being at the back, this design/concept has been a round for a very long time.
- Kevin J Hatton
Kevin, the Terratrike, a tadpole-type (the other one is "delta") tricycle steers in the front (Ackerman steering), not in the back, only Leo hasn't figured out yet how to adjust it properly and screw down the handlebars. This model is too small for him, as he'll soon be bound to discover, but there are other brands on the market, of bigger size and far better quality.
- ianf ⌘
Thanks for the info ianf⌘, it is good to know that this wasn't truly representative of this new design.
- Kevin J Hatton
Well, Leo's mouth-agape reaction was typical, representative of the initial awe one feels while riding a recumbent trike. It's like being in the fairground "radio cars" of the fifties. But he's quite mistaken that he is "very low to the ground." This is average height for such trikes, with eyes on the same level as in fast convertibles; there are competition trikes with 20 degree seat...
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- ianf ⌘
It is NOT too small for him and in fact was custom sized for him from the factory. He rides it daily and loves it.
- Jeff Yonker
jquery 1.3 breaks the bfcache because it binds the onunload event. This makes the back button slower and more annoying. See https://developer.mozilla.org/En... for more info on the bfcache.
So is the bfcache part of the reason that Firefox tends to use so much memory?
- Robert Felty
I don't know why Firefox uses so much memory, but the bfcache is a good thing, and people should avoid breaking it.
- Paul Buchheit
Odd, the issue trail seems to suggest this was only added to address problems in IE and Firefox 2, but Resig is reluctant to remove it for other browsers due to tidiness issues? Seems like there's a part of the story missing.
- Mark Trapp
The point of the bfcache is that the page is left intact so that it can be restored very fast. This practice of doing manual de-allocation on page unload is insane -- it's sadly necessary for IE, but is not something that we should be doing for non-broken browsers.
- Paul Buchheit
Here is one way to fix it: $.event.remove(window, "unload"), but I don't know if jquery1.3 is depending on this event. For now, I may just stick with 1.2.1.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks for the fix Paul, we're still using 1.2.6, which appears to have the problem, too. Nobody's complained about it yet, but this is probably going to be a larger issue for us in the near future.
- Mark Trapp
Has anyone found a workaround for this yet? E.g. is there a way to use jQuery without breaking bfcache so that browsers can 'remember' form values?
- Alex Black
"Patbingsu, a shaved ice-based dessert loaded with sweet toppings such as chopped fruit, condensed milk, fruit syrup, and red beans, is so popular in South Korea that you can find it at most fast food restaurants in addition to cafes and bakeries. One of my friends even highly recommended the version from KFC ("My family went there all the time during our trip to Seoul!"). Although I wouldn't have been opposed to breaking my patbingsu virgnity at KFC, it was probably for the best that Dan Gray brought us to Ongdalsaem, a cafe in a traditional Korean house, instead."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
Reminds me of Filipino halo-halo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Although when I've had it, it was more like an ice cream parfait in a tall glass where the ice cream was layered with red beans, coconut strings or coconut jelly cubes, and various other fruit, and evaporated milk. It tastes a lot better than how I am describing it. :)
- Cheryl Jones
Forgot to mention there is shaved ice in halo-halo, too. BTW, just saw an article on the foodblog at Amazon about a similar Japanese dessert called kakigori (which I never knew about until now): http://www.aldenteblog.com/2009... .
- Cheryl Jones
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
Has anyone ever corrected the record and pointed out, with the exception of the Charlize Theron drawing, that these are indeed photos by Alexander Von Reiswitz?
- erik weisz
Erik, thank you for bringing this up again, but I think I already mentioned something about this in my prior comment. However, since it appears that you only signed up to friendfeed to leave a single comment, (ok, why?) I will try to summarize what I wrote previously. In brief, I learned after doing a little research that all photo-realistic drawings like the ones that I shared here,...
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- Michael Fidler
I can assure you that what are claimed to be drawings of animals, in your post here, are photos. I used a website to that allows you to do an comparison of the Von Reiswitz photos and the images you have posted here. There are no differences. Every hair matches up. As a pencil artist myself I can tell you that it's pretty much impossible to get that kind of accuracy and have it look...
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- erik weisz
but... it has to be real, i saw it on the internet
- Iphigenie
Eric, it doesn't matter to me if you just joined, and I apologize if I made you think otherwise. If you have any questions regarding friendfeed, please feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them. At this point, I would be happy if we could find someone who is an image analysis expert, and finally point this thing to rest. Every time that I look into this, all I find is a...
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- Michael Fidler
the site spammed above must all be done in pencil too, right, thats why you posted it?
- Iphigenie
I'm amazed that people are still posting these photographs of animals and calling them pencil drawings. This is at least the third case I can remember (and there are probably more) of this happening. The myth about them being drawings was debunked long ago. It's also funny that whenever they get posted the person posting them doesn't make it clear that they aren't the artist, exactly as you have done.
- canadianmaple09
@canadianmaple09 I posted these back in March, 2009 when I was beginning to use FF regularly. I ran them through TinEye hoping to find their source, but it returned no results. When I ran through again yesterday, TinEye returned over four pages of results. If I had it to do over again, would I? Yes
- Michael Fidler
The people you refer do don't join "just to slam" someone, they are concerned members of the online art community that want to see real art appreciated and fake art or photos being passed off as drawings revealed for what they really are. Artists such as Brian Duey, Armin Mersmann, Paul Lung, Zindy Nielsen,and many others do not receive the appreciation they deserve because of scams like this.
- canadianmaple09
canadianmaple09, the worthiness of your motives notwithstanding (and they are worthy, definitely) you could definitely have approached Michael completely differently by say, giving him the benefit of the doubt rather than attacking in a highly accusatory tone.
- Chieze Okoye
When you've seen these same pictures posted multiple times by people that just find them on the internet and claim they are pencil drawings, when it has already been established on multiple occasions that they are not, the "benefit of the doubt" approach seems a little too generous. People post these images and claim they're drawings to get views for their own site or blog or page or whatever it is they post it on. It's wrong and it needs to be stopped.
- canadianmaple09
I can understand that, but you should also keep in mind that everyone is not as well-versed in the issue as you are. All I'm saying is that you would probably be more effective in this case if you weren't setting this up as a us-vs.-them, "must destroy with the validity my argument!" attitude when talking to a guy who's been actively having a discussion on the issue in what seems to me (having been around when he first posted the images and the follow up thread and what not) to be good faith.
- Chieze Okoye
Look at his first comment here. People clearly thought he drew them. He doesn't set the record straight. He also claims that they "are actually pencil drawings" and that "I have more drawings too." Later he claims that you need to look at them closer to see they are drawings and that he will "post the originals". Once again, this makes it sound like they are his. This follows the same...
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- canadianmaple09
Greg and Chieze, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it. @canadianmaoles09, for what it’s worth, I share your concerns about giving proper attribution when sharing also. However, I admit that I'm more conscious of it now than I was at the time of this post. Nevertheless, I have never taken credit for anybody's work here other than my own!
- Michael Fidler
BTW, I didn't realize it before, but I just noticed that you're new here too. I hope you like it so far and spend more time here. IMO, friendfeed is still the best thing around!
- Michael Fidler
I would probably qualify as an image analysis expert, but there's no way to prove that online. One thing we can do is look at color. Even though the images are black and white,they're actually RGB images, meaning they contain cyan magenta and yellow. If you look at the image of the rhino you have posted then look at the photo of the rhino at the photographer's site you can see they both...
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- erik weisz
Here's proof that even as a Zoology professor and father of 2 (Josh was still unplanned), you can look like James Bond! And while riding a city bus no less!
This was taken on a bus on Maui, 1968, Morgan and Sean in tow, from Kahului to Napili Bay. It was my parents' first vacation (from O'ahu). [this info fed to me just now from my mom]
- Josh Haley
Can I get one for the body as well as the face?
- Dion Almaer
Very interesting. Hope they post the download link soon so that we can all play with it.
- Brady Brim-DeForest
It seems as if the main problem with most people in the examples shown is their forehead is too short or too narrow. Wonder if there's a subtle clue that big brains are beautiful there! :)
- Lindsay
@Jason - that's an interesting concept. Would you be more likely to trust the girl on the left or right? Would you be more likely to talk to either one of them at a party (or more intimidated by either one?).
- Lindsay
Notice that for all the women they soften the jaw, while squaring it for men. Everyone also gets a slightly thinner face and upturned almost smiling lips.
- FFing Enigma
@SB yeah and the forehead adjustment... almost like there is a triangle with the forehead at the point and they flip it so the chin is the bottom of the triangle... weird.
- Lindsay
They are different women! Blame Paul! : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Lindsay: whenever sketching generic faces, the face starts as an inverted triangle and the eyes appear a third of the way down from the top of the forehead; lips and nose appear below and above (respectively) a line 1/3 up from the chin. Looks like these pictures are rearranged to meet that particular school of drawing.
- FFing Enigma
That is interesting yet odd. Seems that the faces are slendered with the software.
- Jim Goldstein
from twhirl
I wonder what would come out of applying their algorithms to face of black or asian person? Different countries have different concepts of beauty.
- arty
This technology should be made available in eye glasses, just imagine how much better your work day can be!
- Claude Betancourt
Paul - Think you should definitely add the option. "Click here to be beautiful without the expense of plastic surgery! .... and you may even get more 'Likey's" :)"
- Charlie Anzman
Some of the stuff coming out of Siggraph this year is really freaky. How about combining this with the automatic video editing stuff? ;)
- Joe Beda
without a doubt amazing. It's incredible how subtle the changes are yet massive difference.
- Zee.
Huh, that's pretty crazy. Creepy, but cool. :)
- felix
I haven't read the paper, but I wonder if it adapts to different notions of "attractive" (that changes from culture to culture ...)
- Rui Pires
+1 @Claude I was thinking the same thing! Incorporate this software in wearable monitor glasses, and the whole world would be beautiful! I'll bet we can look for these on the shelves in the U.S. just before November. Social media and reality enhancement software have put Winston Smith out of a job.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
do i sense another manga-style meme starting?
- anna sauce
So, if it turns me into Gilbert Godfried... what does that mean?
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
You know, if these guys had gotten together with the realtime video+photo enhancement folks and approached the Beijing Olympic Comittee then that singing girl in the opening ceremonies might not have had to been replaced with a body double. (Yeah, I just brought three of this week's biggest memes together. I'll be here all week.)
- Kevin Fox
The artist proportions were laid out by the Greeks as the perfect human, that's not being used here. This beautification engine, I think, builds on top of a previous study where some students tried to mathematically identify attractiveness. They had participants rate the attractiveness of head shots from yearbooks. What they found was there was a high correlation b/w the geometrically "average" face and high attraction. That "average" is based on the proportions of the di
- xero
stances between the individual elements of the face and their relative sizes. IIRC the software adjusts elements so they statistically/geometrically complement each other. It's not actually working toward a golden set of proportions, but a set of proportions appropriate for the individual as defined by the masses. I wouldn't think of it as "facial discrimination" so much as "deviation from ones potential".
- xero
I'm waiting for the first Facebook application that automatically enhances your profile picture like this. Every social network should run this on the avatars. Beautiful people!
- Benedikt Koehler
Can you imagine the controversy if dating sites got a hold of this?
- xero
@paul automatically apply it to all profile photos, huh? are you sure you ready for results? check my picture - try to see wonderful cossacks writing infamous letter to Turkish Sultan :)
- A. T.
I wonder if they'll turn Mickey Mouse into Mighty Mouse
- Dave Q
this will have a lot of practical applications to create a (virtual) world of beautiful (or more acceptable facially) people.
- Apostolos Tsompanopoulos
Just a complicated high tech implementation of beer goggles.
- Hayes Haugen
This is what came up as the top Google hit for paul buchheit friendfeed.
- Spidra Webster
I just read the first comment and may I ask why we should apply it automatically to all profile pictures??? Who are we gonna kid that way?!
- ambidextrous
BTW we usually only travel at 5 knots (5.8 mph) .. so that is over 5500 hours at Sea. Our longest non-stop leg was 24 DAYS. (non stop = no land, nobody else, nothing ... 24/7).
- Chris Myles
Petr, Thanks for suggestion. I actually use the blogger supplied search because it displays the results with the expanded post text on a new page. The BlurbBits mapping map utility that I wrote searches the post text to build a popup maps of each posts location AND adds it to the "Geo Blogs on this page" map. Try different searches (like Awesome) and the map will change. The new Search...
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- Chris Myles
sure :] ... well have a deep blue calm waters ! :] .. what prompted such a magnificient voyage feat? ..so, now my question - how did you get labels cloud on your blog? ........ and, do you plan to write a book about your travels ? thanks
- pb:
You mean the ones to the right? It's just the basic Blogger label gadget (via Add gadget use layouts).
- Chris Myles
What prompted it? long story: http://svbillabong.blogspot.com/2008.... short story: because we could!! It's the only way to travel the world, visit remote village and go "home" to sleep in our own bed, plus it's reasonably affordable (wind is free). No book is in the works.. but if we did one it would be a photo journal book (http://snaps360.blogspot.com). I just don't think anyone would buy it.
- Chris Myles
Wow, simply wow! I am jealous and happy that you had such an amazing experience. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Don't miss the interactive lifestream navigation map option.. http://ff.im/4Nbtx (also available under the header of the blog).
- Chris Myles
Go for it.. my wife (girlfriend at the time of departure) had 3 days sailing experience before we left. And Yes she knew that we were planning a 5 year trip :)
- Chris Myles
This is the most awesome thing I have seen in a long, long time.
- Michael McKean
I was going to put a bandolier on the bunneh and have it say "VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!" but the bunneh was too small. Seriously, though: that bunneh with the carrot bandolier from the PETA ad? PURE WIN.
- FFing Enigma
"This is another one of those recipes where I’ve changed, uh, just about everything. What it shares in common with the original is yogurt and the basic proportions. To this I’ve added lime zest and juice and a blackberry sauce that shares a hint of the lime. I also rejiggered the instructions to make this a one bowl cake — you know, the most welcome kind. Don’t etch this recipe in stone — this could make an equally tasty lemon cake with blueberry, raspberry or strawberry sauce or even a gentle orange yogurt cake, simply dusted with powdered sugar. The sauce is optional, but when you find that you have extra (you will, unless you halve it) it makes as welcome a sauce over ice cream as it does stirred into your leftover plain yogurt."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
Doesn't this put your Aussie Man Card in jeopardy? All the Aussie blokes we see in movies and on TV do not get chased up anything, unless it's by at least a 60-foot long Croc :) Did the Koala look like a 60 foot croc when you first spotted him?
- Patrick Jordan
You should keep some eucalyptus leaves handy to throw them off your trails.
- Pete D
from iPhone
so Australia is living up to the fantasy I have of it in my head, built from movies in the 80s like A Town Called Alice and Thorn Birds. NICE.
- anna sauce
It was Bruce. He is the dominant male in our area. I got out of the car and I heard some rustling from the trees. When I started to walk up the path, I saw him climb down and start walking towards me. He grunted very aggressively, something I don't want to stick around for so I bolted. I must have disturbed him having a root with one of his girlfriends.
- Johnny
this just proves the value of that welcome mat my mom used to have: 'Friends Welcome. Family - Make Reservations'. Maybe the little guy thought you were a distant cousin, and decided to relight the fire under the long standing family feud between the Worthingtons and the Koalas?
- Morgan
Bruce is totally going to lose his endorsement deal with Qantas
- Spidra Webster
Red letters on white perhaps, or picture of the sun.
- LouCypher
Lou, cool idea! I'll speak to the designer. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Dan, check the group's description. Basically it's like Twitter's followfriday but for FriendFeed. Pick someone from FF you want to recommend and follow the guidelines on the group.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is now called FollowFriday (well for the moment anyway). Please recommend a fellow FriendFeeder that we should follow. Mine is Rochelle here: http://friendfeed.com/ff-foll...
- Kol Tregaskes
"Statistics suggest that there should be tons of alien encounter stories, and in pracitce there are tons of alien encounter stories. This is known as Fermi's Lack-of-a-Paradox."
- Tudor Bosman
from Bookmarklet
To be fair, the actual number could be half that, if C_R and M_I are correlated.
- Tudor Bosman
Also, the misspelling of "practice" in the title is Randall's, not mine.
- Tudor Bosman
Holy Crap! When did she turn legal?! MY BAD! Carry on, nothing to see in the comments. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Welp @Mona that depends on what state you'd be hosting the young lady in but in most places she's been ‘legal’ - in that special sense - a coupla years now.
- Anthony Citrano
Crap, I just realized how much older than her I am. If you all need me I'm going to go over in the corner and feel all creepy for a bit. P.S. keep off my lawn.
- Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce
Why the morality police, Anthony? Do you need saving from yourself?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Ha! no, please. ;) But, following the "dirty old man" dust-up, I found myself wondering where the Puritans had been during all these other posts. So yesterday I bumped a bunch of them.
- Anthony Citrano
Just was talking to http://www.friendfeed.com/garin and we came to the conclusion that if you are going to comment on a friendfeed item you should either be first or last. Why? They always are visible. So, here's your chance! :-)
Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments.
- iTad
Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer?
- Kevin Johnson
Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :)
- rob friedman
Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun!
- Robert Scoble
Dang it I am 5 min too late. So I guess it is like posting on a blog post, you always want to be first.
- Jeff
Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last.
- Ted Bradford II
That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P
- Chris Heath
Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience.
- michael sean wright
if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day.
- Ted Bradford II
Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well)
- Chris Heath
Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess...
- Andy Werner
I actually come back 5 days later to make comments so I can have the last word. Everyone has already forgotten what the conversation is about by then.
- Jeff
Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all.
- Ted Bradford II
Second to last is always visible on my screen. :)
- Bwana ☠
Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever....
- Barak B
Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically.
- Charbax
A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!!
- Peter Kelley
No, Peter, you may not be last. That's my position.
- Chris Charabaruk
Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again?
- Amit Morson
Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden.
- Robert Scoble
In a different timezone you can have the advantage :)
- Rene de Vries
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
What if you write backwards? Does that help?
- Kieran Daly
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. says Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters.
- Molly
Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along)
- Jim Espinoza
By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-)
- Opensource Obscure
112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
The current last comment is the next penultimate comment.
- Brian Sullivan
Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol
- Jason Williams
Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer
- Bwana ☠
Winer. I don't think they have too much power
- Steve Gillmor
Kevin: i did not say it was spam. I put the smiley face indicating my partial joking nature. but only partial.
- Jeff
Robert: I could not figure out how to disable comments for particular post. It is really not a big issue since I have gmail, but I do think this post may never die.
- Jeff
I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
A good way to stop? - Scoble puts in his penultimate comment Kevin Johnson says zaloom!
- Julian Edward
This is the Seinfeld of FF....the post and comments about nothing. I wonder what the record is for the most comments on FF?
- Jeff
As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- stephen harlow
I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I reckon it'll be Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much).
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
No, No! - I didn't mean you worm. Although as you say they are useful beings. I do hope you'lll be in heroic position of last commenter! This is a case of the last shall be second. (Kevin Johnson being first of course). Scoble is penultimate we would hope. I'm aiming for 5th to last!
- Julian Edward
Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
you mean Twitter Gar1n? You were talking on TWITTER WEREN'T YOU! LIAR "friendfeeed Garin" pfttttt still the same bi-polar
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Interesting comment, SFSS, very interesting indeed. So interesting, in fact, that I think that nothing further needs to be added to this thread. Ever.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
אתם כל כך מלא חרא, אבל זו בעיה שלך, לא שלי :-)
- David Gross
from email
actually i don't know how not to be the last commenter :)
- İ. Emre Kutlu
If only I could puncture the depths of Scoble's scratch-the-surface brain fart, techno-vangelizing, then I'd actually care WHOLE HEARTEDLY about this meaningfully retarded thread.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The only way this thread can be made even more ridiculous and anachronistic is to move it to identi.ca.. Myspace would work, too.
- Tal Shafik
And since you can't guarantee being last unless you are the originator of the thread or can convince the originator to end comments (but since Robert is AWOL that is unlikely) -- you better be first. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
I am looking forward to playing board games on the iPad while travelling with Karen. This is the first device I can really picture two people using at the same time, which seems like an opportunity for some truly new types of software.
With mice and keyboard, two people at the same time on the same device doesn't really work well. Touch screen seems like a really cool opportunity.
- Bret Taylor
I thought to myself I could have used this when I would play chess with my little brother, and he would get mad and sweep the pieces off the board. I figured it'd be pretty difficult to do that with an iPad. Then I realized what he could have done to the iPad...
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Yeah - I keep thinking of how popular this is going to be on road trips with the family
- Jesse Stay
Taking turns. Like handing a crossword puzzle or magazine back and forth. Plus a swipe for changing posting accounts.
- Hayes Haugen
You're going to drive that accelerometer nuts with two people, you know that don't you? :)
- JCunwired
SMART idea - that's why I like you - out of the box - excellent eye for various use cases - neat! The iPad has a lot of potential. I have been wanting what I call an iCouch tablet for web viewing, this i really great. I can't wait till i get one!
- Susan Beebe
Nathalie, air hockey was my first thought when they said it worked with two people. That would be cool.
- Todd Hoff
Wow that's true- I didn't really get the iPad until I thought of 2-player games. Now to develop Catan for the iPad.
- anna sauce
Todd and Nathalie, an air-hockey type game (maybe more like Pong) is what people are playing in the photo I linked to in my previous comment. I sympathize with whoever the manufacturer is, in that the perception is that it doesn't exist until Apple ships it.
- Bruce Lewis
Hey I want an I pad, but they said the 3g version isn't available till April, mmmm. How can I get one sooner???
- amelia arapoff
I have to admit it's a wee bit more portable than Microsoft's Big Ass Table™
- Richard Walker
Never thought of this possibility. For the first time I can begin to see myself possibly even buying one - assuming the software is there to make it worthwhile.
- Andrew Perry
Share option of friend-feed cost me a call from my wife yelling at me "who the hell is this Karen you are playing with on the train to work? I am gonna kill you both!" She simply saw it on my facebook feed never realized it is a FW. (http://friendfeed.com/tzury...) LOL
- Tzury Bar Yochay
not sure about this, the form factor may still be too small to be comfortable for two players simultaneously looking at it, or touching it. Now with blue tooth connexion between two iPads, I would see lots of opportunities for boardgames, including games where each player need to keep some information secret (his hand of cards usually).
- Antoine Bertier
Hmm nice idea. Checkers, Domino, Backgammon would be all excellent
- Özkan Altuner
I just downloaded SDK and am working with another programmer on the Catan version. Bret you inspired me!
- anna sauce
But I've found it to be a little buggy recently (in Chrome). On a few sites (BBC, FF and others) when I hit the bookmarklet the screen scrolls to the bottom and I cannot scroll back up. I have to use the original FF bookmarklet instead. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
The pictures are a little out of order
- Mike Chelen
Mostly stick with the regular one, and use the movable bookmarklet when something is blocked
- Mike Chelen
Cool. I was always hoping for a new Bookmarklet. And even if it's buggy, it's a step in the right direction. Nice Job
- Michael Fidler
Michael: It seems like the only way to uncover parts of the screen. Thanks go to April's friend for writing the code http://friendfeed.com/friendf... hope these pics help to see how it works
- Mike Chelen
Have you ever tried the Posterous Bookmarklet? I think it's one of the best around. It pulls everything off a page and allows you to choose what you want. It's similar to the FFeed one in a way, but I would like something like it, but combine it with the ability to pull in more than three pictures in at a time. Don't get me wrong, I love the FFeed one too, but there's something elegant about the way the Posterous one works.
- Michael Fidler
Michael: How well does Posterous stuff import to Friendfeed? If it were possible to import more than 3 pictures, that would be nice.
- Mike Chelen
Mike. Posterous imports well using the Custom RSS/atom feed , but I recall seeing a message from Gary, one of their founders, mentioning that he would like to have better integration with friendfeed. Before I enter the feed, I first run it through fflow, which gives me a MediaRSS feed which tends to display larger pictures. I use it on all my feeds. Love it. Here's the URL: http://www.fflow.net/...
- Michael Fidler
Michael: cool, fflow looks similar to feed buster http://feed-buster.appspot.com/ which i use heavily for multimedia import to friendfeed. will have to try them side by side and see if there are any differences. thanks for the tip!
- Mike Chelen
Whoa, fflow is new to me. Anyone know how long it's been around and who the developer is?
- Ivan Zuzak
They are delicious bar-be-qued - marinate the night before -/
- Chris Loft
Ummm, it must be the Bacon and eggs! One adds alcohol into the recipe. One makes you wanna drink. The others go well with Wine.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)