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Eastern bloc lolcats incorrectly translated into English. Intentionally incorrect with fantastic results. The text for this one is: "Your floral offering serves as no deterrent to the inevitable, betrayer. You will now join me in oblivion." - http://rolcats.com
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The real translations show up in the comments sometimes. “Sleep well, my ungainly friend, be at peace… Tonight, I dine not on tuna, but on pig-flesh!”
- ⓞnor
Those are the REAL translations??? *boggle* Edit... wait, now I get it. e3r was reposting a single translation, not two separate ones.
- Andrew C
Outstanding.
- Louis Gray
I am laughing my butt off reading these. Funny stuff.
- Joey Gibson
Remember that Monty Python sketch where Cleese goes into the smoke shop with his Hungarian translation book? "My hovercraft is full of eels."
- You.
InspirationKing - Web design inspiration - http://www.inspirationking.com/
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iPhone Application Overview And Demo Videos - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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I don't think I know anybody who uses Flock as their browser...
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Me neither.
- Yuvi
I do!!! Love it!!!
- Grant
the 2.0 beta running on the FireFox 3 engine is amazing and surprisingly stable
- Grant
Flock = GARBAGE
- Mona Nomura
Mona- that confirms you are drunk:)
- Grant
i like the idea of it but it's toooo sloooowww
- MG Siegler
the 2.0 beta is very fast...check it out
- Grant
@Grant: Flock made a bad first impression on me, ain't going back till it gets Ironman type reviews.
- Yuvi
I use Flock, but its flocky!!
- Muthu Ramadoss
Part of Flock's weakness was FireFix 2. It was slow and crashed pretty often. 2.0 fixes these problems and more
- Grant
@Grant I don't know how yours is so fast...Mine is tres slow...
- Zee.
At least for OS X it is.. half of the services dont' even sync
- Mona Nomura
I have at various times, I used the new version for a couple of weeks before switching back to FF. It still feels more stable, but the hijacking feeds, social stuff doesn't do it for me. I get though why it may appeal to some people.
- Duncan Riley
I used to use it, then I ended up using Opera.
- Matt Hartley
maybe it is just fast in comparison to running IE7 on a 5 year old Dell with XP and 512 MB of RAM. Saving up for a MacBook:)
- Grant
Actually, I have Flock in my list of "apps I'll migrate to in the future". I don't see that happening in less than an year, tho... let the thing mature, I say.
- Marcos Marado
I use flock (new beta) at home...FF in the office . Never been slow for me...though some have issues
- Allison
I have Flock open on one monitor - from which I Plurk, Tweet and do various other social media stuff, and I have FF3 open on the other monitor which is where I do everything else. I have had no problems with Flock so far
- Nancy Williams
from twhirl
For the people using Flock with no issues... are you on PCs or Macs?
- Mona Nomura
Leo laporte also uses flock
- Grant
I like it..bring some fun to the social web,not my default browser
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
I'm on a PC
- Grant
Flock and FaceBook had sync'ing compatibility issues. Twitter would not load at all.... The only SNS service that worked smoothly was Flickr.. lol I'm on OS X v 10.5.3. (i still have yet to update)
- Mona Nomura
I do most of the time, on a Mac. I like it better than plain jane Firefox. My favorite features are integrated display of my friend's Facebook status and ability to bookmark direct to Ma.gnolia through the favorites button. Admittedly the usability and reliability of those features could use a lot of work, but it does save some time/effort. I don't use any of the other special features that often.
- Jon Price
Give me two good reasons to switch to Flock! :-)
- Theo
Mona N...both.. and it works well on both, you could try http://fasterfox.mozdev.org/ to speed yours up
- Allison
used flock on PC for a while, liked it but for intense use it is too cluttered and slow, tried the beta on my macbook.. not very stable and again.. too too too much for daily work + it didn't supported g/apps email, neither Twitts popups.. so.. turned back to FF3 + needed add ons
- Naor Mark
Theo: 1. Integrates social networking, email, etc. 2. I can't think of a second. Good point. I still like it though
- Grant
Used it and Opera rather than FF2, but now I've switched to FF3
- Paul Henman
I primarily use Firefox, but I also use Seamonkey, Midori, and Konqueror to some extent. But never Flock.
- Jake (aka Jawee)
I'm using Flock 2 beta. Basically got hooked on Flock while FF3 was less stable. My only complaint is how long it takes to load, so I keep it on full time. Like that Flock 2 integrates FF3 extensions without having to "Flock-ize" it.
- Mike McCallister
I would use flock but Foxmarks doesn't work with it yet
- Jonathan Nguyen
I like the interface and the idea but some how it just doesn't seam nescisary
- Nelson de Witt
from twhirl
I use Flock regularly (on Beta 2 right now with FF3 framework)- works great.
- Andrew MacNeill
from twhirl
i do
- harald
I've tried a couple of times. Ironically, it doesn't integrate with *enough* social networks for me.
- Brent Newhall
NPR and Fast Company Should Be Ashamed - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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What ever happened to blogrolls? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I'm waaay late to the blogging party, but does a "links I like" interface list count?
- sergiooo
I still use one. I only rel=nofollow large sites; still share the link love with other bloggers.
- Sprague D
sergiooooooo, yes, if its a roll in your sidebar. They're not extinct, but they are rare these days. Sprague, good to see you're still keeping the spirit alive
- Duncan Riley
I used to use one, but it seemed as soon as I'd update it, people would go inactive, or I'd have to change it again. (Examples: GeekWhat and Kent Newsome, both who just about fell off the map) Now, I think the Google Reader shared items blog gives a good enough clue as to what I read and find important.
- Louis Gray
I found that no one ever clicked on them so I removed it. It was just noise.
- Kevin Gamble
I'm on the same boat as Kevin. No one ever clicked on them so, I just got rid of it. I have a section for "friends" that include a couple of blogs but that's it.
- Candace
I have one on my dembot blog and really believe in it.
- Andrew Baron
My blogroll would probably span a few screens.. Anyway blogroll feels slightly 1990s.. Don't you think so?
- Winston Teo
Which reminds me, I need to update my blogroll.
- Phil G
Still maintain one but update it about once a month as things change
- Charlie Anzman
I still use them, but only for close contacts. I like them.
- Jim Kukral
I once used them, when Zeldman was that name in the bottom of every blogroll (go figure why ;-) ) and then I stopped blogging
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
In my opinion, the best use for a blogroll is for a _short_ list of _related_ blogs that the reader can hit in order to get more information on the topic. The "600 blogs I read every day" doesn't seem to me to be the best use of a blogroll.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I'm trying to convince myself to compile a decent blogroll since 2002:)
- Federico Bolsoman
Perhaps it's time to convert the blogroll to a micro-blogroll. Better yet, I would like to display the people I find interesting (at friendfeed) as a widget.
- Czar
I recently dropped the blogroll on my blog. No one ever bothered clicking the links. What people do click are the links in my blog posts (yes, it does still happen). The blogs to which I link regularly in my blog posts are a much better barometer of the ones I follow than my blogroll ever was. I really didn't keep the blogroll up to date.
- Hutch Carpenter
Hmm, regardless of clicks, SEO's understand that a blogroll link is a vote in Google, or at least indexing priority. If you really like someone, you'll tell Google about their blog by blogrolling them. I never nofollow those.
- Brian Carter
Czar: How do you describe your "intersting" people at friendfeed?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I have it on good authority that a new blogroll widget is in the works that will bring blogrolls back - well at least with this crowd. I probably shouldn't say who and I don't know when, but it sounds like it will be dynamic and awesome. So don't count them out just yet
- David Knight
I have, in the past, advocated screwing them. http://allied.blogspot.com/2007...
- jeneane sessum
My blogroll was too long for my sidebar, so I used to have a separate links page. I should clean it up and bring it back. Need to add a TON of social media bloggers I've been introduced to via FriendFeed these past few weeks. :D
- Nathaniel Payne
are blogrolls that hump of cheese n the back of your fridge? :)
- (jeff)isageek
from fftogo
How about this for a theory: The blogroll has been superceded by Twitter and FriendFeed as the easiest way to track and associate oneself with others that are active, interesting and influential in social media
- Daniel Young
It's crazy to me how many have dumped them when it's the first step in being social online if you have a blog... good for blogger to blogger luv and also good for pointing your visitors to additional related resources of value, so good all around.
- Scott Bannon
from twhirl
Duncan, this is so true. I was literally thinking late last night about doing a post on this as I was tidying up my own (relatively new) blog a bit and looking at the standard blogroll links that came with my Wordpress template. I had a quick look at a few fairly well-known blogs and there wasn't a blogroll in sight..
- Matt Hooper
Regarding the value of blogrolls for Google SEO. Check out this thread, about 3/4 the way down, for a comment on that by Adam Lasnik (Google search evangelist): "be careful about making assumptions on how Google does or will weight 'constant' links ;-" (http://friendfeed.com/e...)
- Hutch Carpenter
I read blogs mostly in Google Reader. When I'm on a blog, I'm focused on the content rather than the sidebar. I like the blog roll concept, but it would reach a broader audience if it moved to the main column of content. For example, instead of showing a Last.fm widget in my sidebar, I automated a weekly post that shows my top artists from the prior week as a regular blog post. http://bit.ly/4rQvZU
- Joe Lazarus
Glad you posted this to Inquisitr as well. For me a blogroll isn't about SEO (nothing about my blog is SEO and my stats prove it!) or even about related blogs but as Duncan said in one of his seesmic videos about this, it's kind of "here are some people I like" thing. I've even gone so far as to meet a few blogroll people in person. So even if the list is long, and even if the content...
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- Jim Is Not Smart
from feedalizr
I posted about this on OTB [http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archive...]. A commenter added a valuable suggestion: "It would seem to me that a tool that extracted the blog links from your posts, continually updating the top X number based on your posts, would be more useful than a blog roll. That would keep the blog roll up to date and reflect the sites you are talking about."
- James Joyner
Mine got so big I figured you should just use Technorati! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I only use the Blogroll widget on Wordpress to link to a few close contacts. I certainly don't continuously update my blogroll with the blogs I find interesting, but that'd probably be a better use. I have seen a fair few blogs start doing "Blog of the Week" where they have an image (usually a screenshot of the site) linking to the author's current favourite blog. Could that be considered the step up from the 'traditional' blogroll?
- Jamie Clark
I stooped doing that long time ago, i "recommend" blog post individually and never a whole blog, using delicious, and Google Reader shared items.
- Mário Pires
I'd really like to add one, but I'm afraid it'd clog my template!
- Rubin Sfadj
For me, the Blogroll grew unmanageable. As I never quite liked the concept, I've decided to replaced it with links to the recent interesting things I've read on the 'open' web - simply my del.icio.us bookmarks for now. I would also like to see a widget to publish the recent friendfeed posts that I've 'liked'.
- Vidar Andersen
from NoiseRiver
the current module supported at blogger shows most recent X that have new posts (up to 10 I think). An okay compromise.
- Ryan Gallagher
Since my target audience are small business owners, with limited level of comfort on the internet. I keep the blog rolls simple on my blogs. Called great resources, or my favorite sites, i direct my readers to a few other blogs so they don't get overwhelmed. I also use the blog roll to connect my blogs
- Lorraine Ball
I replaced all widgets and rolls with the wordpress friendfeed activity widget / plugin right now. Let's see how it fares.
- Vidar Andersen
@1938media we do not allow personal attacks in comments on FastCompany.tv as a matter of policy and have removed several comments like that.
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Where's the comment policy about this? I can't find it.
- Matt Craven
some of the comments I saw before they got deleted were maybe harsh but they weren't personal attacks. they were about the quality of the show not about attacking you or shel. you just deleted every negative comment.
- Marcel Weiß
All comments except one sycophantic one was deleted. And that one looked like it was written by PR. I am really surprised. My suggestion would be to turn off comments. FastCompany is a censor? That's not something their PR people would like as a lead item.
- Frank Roche
To all the folks crying here -- Here is an idea. Create a better show you can. And please don't whine if your comments got deleted. Don't want to get your comments deleted - here is an idea - setup your blog, write a blog post on your blog criticizing to your hearts content. Nobody will delete that.
- Vic Podcaster
Is there any way to delete @vic's comment here? It seems overly negative and sarcastic.
- Frank Roche
This cottage industry that has formed around criticizing Robert and Shel is getting tired and worn. I think the people who are complaining are being disingenuous when they say they are just looking after SAP's money. No one seems to complain about the production quality of certain poorly lit loudmouths spewing in front of an isight. The censorship issue is clearly a red herring. I think someone is jealous of a couple of guys who actually have a sponsorship.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The comments were attacks and were not constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
That's simply not true. I read the comments myself. They were hardly personal attacks.
- J T. Ramsay
Robert, please define "constructive criticism" as you see it. It makes no sense that some of those comments were deleted.
- Slobokan
@Scoble - you are normally pretty open about stuff. But your reply seems like a pretty lame cop-out.
- Tom Quinn
blackmailismylife: well, we judged them as attacks. There is, like Jay noted, a group of anonymous people who are just saying negative things about Shel in a way that's personal and attackive. I'm not going to put up with it anymore, at least on FastCompany.tv. Wanna do it somewhere else, like here, fine.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, they are baiting you.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Constructive Criticism: next time ask a question without saying "um." Attack: you're an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
Jay: that's cool. Comment policy is important. It's not that I'm getting it right. I used to be far more open to letting people post whatever they want, but I'm definitely changing my view to match what you posted.
- Robert Scoble
Cream rises ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I used to run a pretty busy community driven website, and was continually surprised at the amount of time and effort people would put into fighting with each other over the most petty and seemingly innocuous things.
- Jonathan Beckett
Tony: we wrote a book together, are friends, and I like him a lot -- he's helped launch dozens of companies in Silicon Valley. Loyalty in life has served me well.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: well, there will be major changes to the show starting on Friday. I'd love to hear your feedback about how the show goes. Your feedback IS being heard.
- Robert Scoble
1938 should shut up and move on. This crap only gets press because people keep trying to create a scandal.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
The expression "jackalling" is sometimes used to describe the work done by a subordinate in order to save the time of a superior. (For example, a junior lawyer may peruse large quantities of material on behalf of a barrister.) This came from the tradition that the jackal will sometimes lead a lion to its prey. In other languages, the same word is sometimes used to describe the behavior...
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- Oldengrey (Jay)
Trying to create a scandal? Naw, I don't think so. I think people are just concerned about legitimate comments being deleted from fastcompany.tv. It reeks of censorship from within, and it does not look good from the outside.
- Slobokan
Censorship is an issue here. Deleting comments after the fact is not a good thing. If you don't have a policy then at least have comments placed in moderation first so they never appear. The fact that they were public and then removed just looks bad.
- Tom Quinn
Only one of the negative comments was preserved in Google's cache, but I for one would have left it up. Yes, it included the statement "Shel...do yourself a favor and go away," but it did include a valid comment about having the subject of the video actually appear within the first two minutes of the video.
- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor: Just Googled the comment you mentioned. Reading the whole comment I can see why it was deleted. Have I read worse comments on say Digg? Yes, but let's agree it would have been fine for the person to leave their feedback that they wanted to see the guest Tim Ferris before 2:27 minutes into the show, sign their name to it, and leave it at that.
- Loren Heiny
Someone should setup a comment mirror site or a wayback machine of sorts for blog comments.
- Eddie Codel
Sometimes bad PR may be good PR and I wanted to watch the interview myself: But I have a question Is there a low(er) bandwidth feed available, preferably without Flash?
- Arnd Gronenberg
Matt: our policy is here and covers all Mansueto Digital sites: http://www.fastcompany.com/service...
- Robert Scoble
Lots of professional media sites remove comments for a number of reasons. I'm happy to review the comments again tonight, but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC) were that they were pretty classic “troll” attacks. Sites such as NewYorkTimes.com review all comments for personal attacks before posting comments and we have adopted a considerably more open policy than this. But we'll consider all suggestions as to how we should handle our comment policy.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: that's not constructive. How would you improve them?
- Robert Scoble
You know who you remind me of? The U.S. Government, you subdue all dissenters
- Andrew Fielding
Andrew: really? I didn't delete your comment here, so that proves you are wrong. There are plenty of ways for you to make personal attacks on the Internet. It's just that we're not going to let you do that on our properties. That's what Valleywag, your blog, or FriendFeed is for.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: I'll personally review your comments shortly, it's also possible our spam filter is catching some of them. A couple of mine are held in moderation too.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see the big deal. People need to stop hyping this up. Companies have a responsiblity to mitigate risk. Taking down hate speech, abusive language, etc. is not a bad thing. Scoble can use FF, and/or his blog to 'keep the conversation' pure if needed. It's not like FC is the ONLY place for a discussion to occur. 1938media needs to chill.
- Ryan
@Robert - this can be an important point "but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC)" - does that mean you and Shel (and I haven't watched, so I don't know) did or did not participate or direct the deletion? Maybe there should be some way to keep the comment, since part of it could be useful, and delete the personal attacks with [PA deleted by admin]
- Sean
Don't see what a lot of people are complaining about. FastCompany has every right to remove comments from their own site. If anyone is upset by this they can post their comments elsewhere. It's not like there's nowhere else to post such comments.
- Paul Grav
I think you may have coined the word 'attackive'. Nicely done!
- Seth Eagelfeld
As far as I see it, a blog author or company has the right to remove whatever comment they want if it reflects negatively on the site or the authors. Free speech is one thing, but it's another when you have someone's name and reputation on the line. I support Robert in the decision. Don't let the trolls bait you anymore.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Thanks for posting the link - but your terms of service open to a blank page (checked on several browsers) and are on fastcompany.com rather than fastcompany.tv - there's no link at all on the fastcompany.tv site - how is someone to know what the comment policy is? Can anyone actually open the terms of service link on fastcompany.com??
- Matt Craven
There's nothing censoring you from saying what you want but, when you are on someone else's "turf" ..even if it is virtual turf..it's their rules. They aren't telling you that you can't speak at all or, you can't say something on your own space. They are just making sure their own site has the look and feel they are striving for. Otherwise, everything would turn into Digg or YouTube with comments. It's not "censoring". It's saying "Go somewhere else."
- Candace
Sean: Shel was not involved in deleting the comments. My bosses told me they were doing that and I agreed with them. So, the responsibility is mine, but there is a team watching the comments and deleting ones that aren't constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Seth -- I'm wondering if there's a way to be constructively attackive or if being attackive is inherently personal and destruckive.
- Omar Gallaga
I wasn't making a personal attack, I was just saying using a politically charged analogy to say that I believe deleting anything other than spam or vulgar comments is something that shouldn't be done as it blocks the ability for other readers or viewers as it may be in your case, to see what others are thinking. I do however appreciate that you are taking a stance on this and looking in to it. I was going to say more but it seems that there is a maximum limit for comments on FF.
- Andrew Fielding
Matt: http://www.fastcompany.com/service... works here on several browsers. Part 3.2 (i) is the part you are looking for.
- Robert Scoble
BTW I just saw Sean's idea and I think that is a great idea, keep everything but the vulgar or vitriolic personal attack.
- Andrew Fielding
Friendfeed is the new Slashdot!
- paul mooney
Strange, the Service Terms won't load for me. No 404, just no content at all. I value sites that remove nonsense comments and spam, but often find the legitimately critical comments the most interesting. The grey area, of course, is tough, and will obviously piss off people one way or the other. Sometimes the "x comments below your threshold" approach is worth the complexity. Let people see the nonsense if they really want to.
- David Sky
Think you could take a hard lesson from @garyvee - Leave everything up. Taking stuff down leads to harsh discussions like this. Leaving it up rallies your supporters and in the end leaves you better off.
- Mark Drapeau
Weird, I'm getting a blank page now too. I'll get the tech guys to figure that one out. Sorry. I think a server is barfing.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: good point, but this is a business site and we're looking for a different tone to the comment area than, say, you'll see on Gary Vaynerchuk's site, or here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't really understand why you folks think that you have some sort of "right" to have your comments--legitimate or otherwise--displayed on FastCompany's site. I'm not a big fan of the material, but I sure don't have any expectation that FC will "publish" my feedback, even if it is constructive. If you want free/open conversation, you have blogs, FF, twitter... lots of venues. Nobody's "rights" are being violated.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Scoble...if this was still your personal site with no affiliation with FastCompany, SAP or any other, would you have handled this the same way?
- ryangraves
At the end of the day, it’s the right of the owner of the blog to have whatever TOS they want. People have to expect that a more mainstream pub will have stricter policies than a personal blog five people read anyway, no? Still, that’s no guarantee because everyone runs things differently. (Just scan the crap on Huffington Post, YouTube or Breitbart and see that TOS mean jack there.) I’ve also seen personal blogs ban people for things like opposing viewpoints. Bottom line: It’s FC’s blog—it’s their rules.
- mtlb
I have to agree with Mark Drapeau. No matter what, it is just better to leave stuff up and let things run their course. If someone attacks and what not, they will slowly lose credibility, even if it doesn't seem that way. I do agree that having people post insulting things is never wanted. When you take an action though you'll always have those ready to pounce and try and discredit you, etc. Just everything in my involvement with online communities has taught me that. Delete dups and link porn lol
- Dean Clark
ryangraves: I've been deleting comments on my personal site too and blocking people here on FriendFeed. I've had enough of jerks in my life. I don't need to have them part of my life anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Ken -- I think it's because people expect guys who are covering Web 2.0 culture to approach it in a Web 2.0 way, not in a "We own this site and can do whatever we want with your (unnecessary) participation" kind of way. I think that's what's angering people. And given the potshots Scoble regularly takes at "Old media" I find it ironic.
- Omar Gallaga
@Mooney: what confuses me is why you or anyone would even want to insult Scoble. he does a very specific thing for a specific audience. he gets incredible access to great companies and people who open up to him because he is genuinely interested in them. that is a rare, valuable thing. he is not the most polished journalist in the world but i and many others are okay with that. i don't like airbrushed journalists who tick off the whos, whats, wheres and whys and move on.
- mike
Dean: I disagree with you. I used to agree. But then I look at how Digg has gone downhill and how YouTube's comments are totally worthless. Omar: Web 2.0 does not mean you have to put up with jerks or trolls. Sorry. If I ever gave you that opinion, then I was wrong.
- Robert Scoble
There's a fine line that needs to be established and enforced with any comment policy, but basically, anywhere you want to be a bully online, if it's not in your own schoolyard, expected it to get deleted. Robert, I think the problem here is that line needs to be more clearly defined.
- Paul Short
Andrew, philosophically i agree with you...but anyone who has run some kind of online forum or even blog comment section can tell you that if you let really aggressive, insulting comments become a regular thing, it can drive away the majority of users who would otherwise have a productive discussion. it's fast company's house and they can throw out whoever they want for whatever they want. that ability can be abused but in this case i think they did the right thing. especially since robert is talking here
- mike
I didn't see the comments, but I saw the video and I wish you had asked Tim more about BodyQUICK. I had to look long and hard to find the ingredients and then showed them to a Herbolist. She was very familiar with all the compounds, but laughed because the best of them would have been cheaply sourced and in minuscule quantities and the rest were fillers.
- paul mooney
Paul: I agree. I'm still trying to figure out where that line is too.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, personal attacks ought to be axed but the line is fuzzy. I say err on the side of letting negative comments stay and address them head on. A negative comment, even one with a personal attack element, if properly addressed will usually do the trick, at least for the onlookers-- you will not sway the detractor, however. And like David Sky, I find the dissent worthy of notice, not negation.
- Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius
Joseph: I used to agree. But if you let unconstructive comments run rampant it just takes over the tone and things turn worse and worse. It's one thing to do something simple like "I sorta like what you're doing, and here's how to make me really like it..." But it's a whole nother thing to come in and just try to make people feel bad. One is a constructive conversation, the other is just "I'm here to make a political point and rip you down." Er, "I wanna be a jerk."
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: why trust a content site at all? Either you like the content you see there, or you don't. If you care about the stuff you see there, but would get a little more enjoyment out of it if it were a little different, then let's have a conversation about that.
- Robert Scoble
Might it be best to deal with this sort of situation by just following a policy of turning off all comments? I don't just mean on this post in particular, but blogs in general. Push the conversation to platforms like Twitter, FriendFeed, the commentator's own blog, etc. Everybody is free to say what they'd like to say, nobody's forced to provide a platform/audience for views they don't agree with, but yet the material/discussion is still out there for anyone who wants to see it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Should the presidential candidates each have to provide some amount of time, on their dime, at the end of their ads/speeches for the other candidate to respond?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken -- that's a dumb analogy and I mean that in the kindest, most constructive way possible.
- Omar Gallaga
If people dont have the brains to make decent comments, or the balls to name themselves, who cares if they are removed. Robert - Shel, just keep doing what you do well guys.
- Scott Purdie
I admit it. I've deleted some blog and forum comments too as well as edited out foul language when needed--though I'm more likely to delete than edit. Editing doesn't seem right. I've also walked away from people that want to endlessly argue about one thing or another, hung up on sales reps calling me and thrown away unopened mail. Should we require everyone to attend to everything anyone wants to say to them?
- Loren Heiny
Omar: I appreciate the feedback. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike, i have had leadership roles at forums and on large IRC channels and i know it is hard to police and I also know from experience that annoying and unproductive comments make serious people less enticed to contribute but I also believe that good constructive criticism that is not overtly complimentary has an important place in the discussion (comments as it may be) as well. From what i can tell, some of the comments that were deleted fit this description while others were clearly personal attacks.
- Andrew Fielding
...(continued) that obviously did deserved to be either completely deleted or have specific parts of content censored. .... on a completely different note, I thought FriendFeed had no limit to the size of entries, i keep running into the fact that comments are limited in lenght, argh.
- Andrew Fielding
I think you should censor this type of information. I think people at the moment don't understand why it should be censored but then if a personal attack occured to them, they'd want it removed so i don't know why people are complaining about these things.
- Nicholas James
@Nicholas James I've had personal attacks taken on me in various forms at various locations and I take it all in good fun, if someone is wasting their time to make a personal attack on me I figure that means i've done something well enough to garner their attention and make them feel that i warrant a personal attack, this is all about each person's individual philosophy and what we believe should be the presiding philosophy in this instance.
- Andrew Fielding
On my blog, I ask ZDNet to kill all personal and nasty comments. Those comments inhibit serious discussion among other participants.
- Michael Krigsman
I admin a large online community. You have to be very strict moderating and remove personal attacks immediately. You also have to be very consistent. Leaving attacks up for a long time and then taking them down is the probelm here, you have set the wrong precedent. I agree that personal attacks should be removed but you need to do it consistently from now on.
- Chris Paton
I don't thnk comments need to be constructive though. It's fair to say the videos are not very good without offering solutions (as long as it's said in a non-offensive way). I personally have enjoyed watching many of the videos. Scoble and Shel are not TV personality types, they are just two geeks interested in what they are discussing. If they are discussing something I find interesting too I don't mind if they are sometimes little too close to the mic.
- Chris Paton
@mooney - you said, "Robert: You do understand how horrible your fastcompany.tv videos are?" that is pretty insulting.
- mike
@Andrew Fielding - point well taken. didn't mean to imply lack of experience. just trying to make a point that you obviously already understood. :-) and yes the limit on comment size is frustrating....usually leads me to only putting one space between periods and the next sentences.
- mike
Robert: You are getting it right, especially in the charity you grant differing views. This is the Slashdot vs Digg argument rehashed. Discussion management is the factor which determines your target audience. Slashdot routes around this with their own elaborate moderation/sliding scale system which allows individuals to decide what level of cruft they wish to be exposed to. You are catching flak due to *all powerful* editors making that decision for the populous. A common gripe when editors decide.
- Matt Bidinger
Bravo, Robert!
- Oldengrey (Jay)
@scobleizer Man, this comment thread is soooooooooooooo 2003 ;-)
- Hugh MacLeod
I agree with hugh... you should delete the whole thing and see how loud that makes the moaning and wailing! ;) Only kidding. Seriously tho... you have every right to say whatever you want on your own blog, FF, Twitter, and any other platform that allows you to say it. You do NOT have the right to say it on my blog, FF, Twitter, or any platform that I have control over. It's reality people. Learn to cope.
- Lucretia Pruitt
So what is the issue here? Pretend I'm new. Is this a matter of censorship vs freedom of speech? Is this a matter of personal attacks vs constructive criticism? Either way isn't that all best seen from the eyes of the person who has control to allow or decline those comments? No where am I shown that I am commanded to let people say anything they want on my sites.
- Mike Lewis
Simple solution - someone will register slowcorporationtvsucks.com (or perhaps even use the fastcompanytv name - it may be legally allowable in this instance). Only negative comments will be allowed. Verizon can sponsor to show that they "get it." Whatever "it" is.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Loren apparently thinks "transparency" implies some kind of obligation to provide a platform for racist fuckwits and their sock puppets.
- Karim
Wow, this is one of the most serious discussions on FriendFeed ... I definitely agree with Robert on this one ... I think everyone deletes personal attacks ... u don't need a policy ... it is a rule of thumb in blogging
- Nick O'Neill
ok http://www.rim.com/careers/ is seriously the funniest legitimate corporate URL I have ever seen
Vidar Andersen, Omar Gallaga, Jonathon and 8 other people liked this
LMFAO
- fijidaddy
I hope this has a great story behind its creation.
- Shawn Farner
the ceo probably asked for it and IT probably did it with a gigantic smile on their face.
- jered reynolds
from feedalizr
debating not having my twitter in FF -- but I love the added conversation element. I don't think I twitter that frequently that it's a problem on here, but let me know what your opinion is. after all, you're the ones that have to read it!
Phil G, Rob Diana, Robert and 10 other people liked this
i say keep it on, the conversation is key. 30 people yesterday commented on my tweet about killing spiders :) http://friendfeed.com/e...
- MG Siegler
keep it on. cross platform promotion doesn't hurt.
- Don Martelli
from twhirl
It's conversational cross-pollination, and I think it works. Let it bloom. People can reply here back to Twitter, so you're letting friends and followers choose the method that works best for them with minimal noise and maximum informational/conversational opportunity. IMO, start worrying when you Pownce and Twitter a blog entry that you're auto-feeding to FF, and all three show up here. Then folks might get annoyed. ;)
- Kevin Hessel
Leave it. If people don't like it, they can hide it. That's the beauty of FF!
- Paul Reynolds
It's easy enough for people to filter out if they don't want to see it. If you remove your Twitter feed from FF, then you end up with these weird conversation silos.
- Pete Brown
I removed mine awhile ago via slusher scenario - my friendfeeds go "to" twitter via twitterfeed instead - so depends on your level of original tweets to ff's - agreed with paul, hide works fine here
- mike "glemak" dunn
I think you should keep it :) The key here is 'interaction' ..
- Saad Kamal
Definitely keep it. Leave it up to the users whether they want to see it or not. Less is not more... MORE is more! ;)
- StephenTorrence
Veronica - My solution some time back was to hide Twitter on FF. You then get a 'refresh page to see hidden items' at the bottom which you can view as often as you want. My stream here is much cleaner now and I do use it more than a few times a day. (Fun show yesterday :)
- Charlie Anzman
Please keep Twitter in your FF. People can hide your Twitter (or all of Twitter) if they want to. I, for one, would like to still see your messages on Twitter.
- Robert Fischer
i say keep it.
- (jeff)isageek
I would say keep it, several conversations can start with a simple answer to the question 'What are you doing?'. Not all the while is one in the mood to 'share something' or has something worthwhile sharing.
- Parth Awasthi
I asked the same question recently-- should I yank Twitter? People just said" why?" It's just that some Tweets stand out as irrelevant in FF context. But people can always hide feeds on their end I guess. I'm keeping Twitter in,by that reasoning you should too
- Doug Haslam
from twhirl
I'd definitely rather have your twitters here. I barely use twitter anymore, mainly just for the folks who won't or haven't moved to friendfeed.
- Kyle Johnson
Keep it. The crossover and conversation threading makes for amusing reading. What else am I going to do at work?
- Keith Smith
Keep the FF crossover going...you have the option to jump in on the FF discussion - but you won't have the option if you kill it completely....you supply the topics and I'M SURE you'll spawn plenty conversation...good that you're giving this some thought though...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I say keep it on
- Alfredo Padilla
I say keep it, but just be aware of how conversations are getting fractured all over the net.
- Michael Gaines
I say keep it. But if you don’t want to see Twitter entries, hide one of them, then click “see options for hiding other items like this.” You’ll have the option of hiding all of them, except for the ones with comments or likes.
- Guillermo Esteves
i vote to keep it as FriendFeed enables we, the readers, to make the choice to opt out if we aren't interested...
- Jeremy Toeman
Keep it, its easier to follow many people on FF. Conversely I don't follow many people on Twitter as its too hard to keep up. IOW, I only follow you on FF :) and also forgot to pick the send to twitter button, duh
- ThePicMan
Definately keep it.
- jered reynolds
from feedalizr
Yah, I think you should keep it as well, you never know what will get everyone going.
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
Let the users decide by hiding them. Plus then we can check twitter with fftogo.com
- Sweyn Venderbush
from twhirl
do you use ping.fm? If so, you can cross post...
- Robert
keep it
- Andrew Fielding
please keep it so users can decide
- Mark Kaplan
I finally gave in after everyone told me try it you'll love it. And I'm hooked, but-
- MF
Cross post... don't let Twitter die *sniff*
- Ian
cont., I need to turn my phone off at night. Some people twitter at 3;30AM. Who would do that. Wakey, wakey to 27,000 people.Thats like calling everyone in a small city and waking them all up. I learned my lesson.Any other words of caution,now that I've taken the plunge? Damn girl, you are an early riser.
- MF
Leave your Twitter in. Your subscribers can hide it if they don't want to see it.
- Morton Fox
Please keep it.
- Donna
pwnt in favor of keeping it in my O
- Vincent Guerrero
keep tweeting here
- Jamie
keep it
- Thejesh GN
Keep it running!
- Jonathon
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