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Whoah! Facebook just added a new "comments" button
Daniel Rowley, Robert Scoble, Alex Scrivener and Tarmo Aidantausta liked this
These headlines should always be "Facebook makes FF guys port in another FF feature."
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: LOL. Very true :)
- Nir Ben Yona
@Matthew, Agreed
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Weird, it's gone now.
- Nir Ben Yona
Cute Overload - Is this thing real? - http://i.imgur.com/fT4b4.jpg
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arundadsad, Mellissa, anjelina and 78 other people liked this
Awww!
- Kol Tregaskes
Indeed :D
- Tarmo Aidantausta
too cute
- VAL D. Zone
you'll see, at night it will change into a giant monster!!!!
- Ibrahim El Issaoui
Whatever you do......don't give it water. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Or feed it after midnight...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
haha merry Xmas everybody: http://www.dvdinmypants.com/feature...
- Ibrahim El Issaoui
Looks like my cousin Joey.
- Steven Perez
Awwww that is too cute! : )
- liladreams
so nice but what's that?
- none
رونوشت به حدیثه
- ITLine
Cute 'stache. Looks a little like Rorschach.
- zephyrlily
این چیچی هست :))
- حدیثه
اییییی خداااااااااااا واااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااایییی عاااااااااالیههههه واااااای گوگووووووووووووولللیییییییی
- حسین :دی
what is that?
- anessa
bunneeehhhhhhh
- johnpiercy
:-) Wonder why the picture has appeared twice since when I posted it? Hmmm, something has changed on FF...
- Kol Tregaskes
Is it a bunny? I want one
- Liz Bronson
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
yerım ben bunu oy oy
- Arzu
December 03, 2009 - http://www.smbc-comics.com/index...
Me too!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
If you could put one song on repeat right now which song would you pick?
Morgan Haley liked this
I currently can't get enough of 'Beating Records' by Names: http://www.thesixtyone.com/Names.... Check out their other songs too, great band, some free downloads there too.
- Kol Tregaskes
March of Cambreadth
- Michael R. Bernstein
Postcards from Italy by Beirut, or Do They Know It's Christmas? by Band Aid
- Eoghan Sullivan
from iPhone
Lynyrd Skynyrd Tuesday's Gone - I've already listened to it four times this morning :D Train roll on down the line - oh yeah
- martha
Common People - Pulp
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Ooo that is some nice music Kol Thanks :D
- martha
By-Tor and the Snow Dog
- Morgan Haley
Placebo's Running Up That Hill
- Kamala Whitaker
Fwd: Does anyone have Google Invite invites? http://www.bbspot.com/News... (via http://friendfeed.com/invites...)
I Do!
- Xavier Mathews
from email
I WANT TEN!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
try this contest and win two google wave and orkut invites http://checkoutthis.co.cc
- deepikasuren
We can only send one! When you get one, you get to send out 20, being one per account.
- Xavier Mathews
from email
I'm new to PHP but feel like this *should* fatal: function stupid($foo) { echo $foo; } stupid("bar", "this extra arg should cause a fatal");
John Wang, Roberto Bonini, Mo Kargas and 15 other people liked this
The problem is what happens when someone is incorrectly using a function that you then add an extra arg to? Bad things. Example say we have: function happy() { make_everyone_happy(); }. But someone goes and calls it like this: happy(true);. That is completely valid. Then I go and change the function to be function happy($sad=false) { if ($sad) blow_up() else make_everyone_happy(); }. Since it was never erroring before you are likely not to notice that you've just blown things up.
- Benjamin Golub
Basically, it's a good and a bad thing :). I'm just used to languages where you don't have to check all the calls of your function when you add an arg. Now I know you have to be extra careful doing that with PHP.
- Benjamin Golub
Yeah, I just realized I'm thinking of C, not PHP, where you have to explicitly state that you want to use variable arguments. It's like that in PHP for legacy reasons (and it will not throw any warning/notice/error regardless of how you have error reporting set up). I guess it's always assumed with PHP that before calling a function, you'd check to see what the function is going to do...
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- Mark Trapp
It's not considered an error on PHP, I've tried it in the past in our codebase and there was no notice we were doing it
- Jorge Escobar
Just like Javascript. Lovely, isn't it?
- Joel Webber
My thoughts exactly...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Hahahaha. This is just the beginning. Maybe you should have looked into this stuff *before* getting acquired. :-) (I'm taunting now while Ben can laugh too. A few more discoveries like this and it won't be funny anymore.)
- Bruce Lewis
Benjamin you are my idol from the time of friendfeed. i'm sure you can have a look to php source code and hack something to improve php
- Fabrizio
Of course, if it's that big of an issue for you, you could always build the error handling into each of your functions. Basically, check to see if any arguments are being passed to the function, check to see if each of those arguments makes sense in the context of the function, then throw an error if they don't belong. That way, you would catch the happy(true) issue before changing the function to function happy($sad=false)
- Curtiss Grymala
Curtiss: we both know that doesn't scale (both with the size of the project and the team) especially with an already established code base. This is just the way PHP works and now I know :)
- Benjamin Golub
document.getElementById('boobs').src = 'http://www.explosionsandboobs.com/boobs...'; #BestCodeEver
- Mona Nomura
With phpBB it seems quite impossible. The spam protection is not enough, modifications would help but they make it impossible to update...
phpBB is utter crap! \o/
- Tarmo Aidantausta
How can I read my Twitter Lists on my Nokia mobile phone?
Roberto Bonini liked this
which one
- siniradam
Have you looked at Ovi Store and Twitter clients from there? The native Symbian browser sucks ass...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Got my Google Wave account. Looks nice, interface is certainly interesting. Now… only thing missing is people. :(
I'm there and I can add you to a huge wave...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Added you to list… does that thing work? :D
- Daniel Schildt
from email
Run $TwitterCleaner$ IF Follower Count > 2000 && Feed Includes 'API' OR 'TwitterFeed' && Twitter List Count < 5 THEN Unfollow
ffcode, Mo Kargas, Ho John Lee and 4 other people liked this
Or something like that. If only.
- Louis Gray
I'd love to understand this . . . but . . . hmmm, I don't have more than 2000 followers so no need, right?
- Shari Weiss
I've been wanting to write this forever. Hopefully soon. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Haha, I get so few followers I do this manually on every follower I get.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Done.
- Jesse Stay
What's wrong with not being on lists?
- Bryce Roney
Bryce, most regular users are on a good number of lists. Not being on lists is a "tell" for a spam or bot account. You're on 6, so you pass this test
- Louis Gray
Oh, so I am.
- Bryce Roney
Remember, don’t skip out on the safety film! - http://failblog.org/2009...
Oops!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Child’s Shirt - http://adult.engrish.com/2009...
Well, she might like it!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Trying to Find a Usable C++ IDE for Linux - http://inaugust.com/post/67
"Dear LazyWeb, I'm looking for a usable C++ IDE for Linux and I'm wondering if you've seen one. Before you start giving the normal suggestions (Ecliipse, NetBeans, just-use-vi) let start off by saying that I've tried Eclipse, Netbeans and Code::Blocks and KDevelop several times, and that I normally hack in some combination of vi and emacs. (yes yes, I know I'm supposed to religiously pick one and be rude to the other... consider me a postmodern hacker)"
- imabonehead
from Bookmarklet
I doubt that there's is such a thing. :) I'd like too see one as well.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
me too.
- imabonehead
AFAIK on Windows only _proper_ IDE is Visual Studio...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Sorry folks, I can't follow anyone who calls himself an internet marketing guru
Patrick Nouhailler, Otto, Nicola Greco and 34 other people liked this
I'm an Internet Marketing Guru.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Me too. I'm an Internet Marketing Guru.
- Dave Winer
I am Spartacus. Oh wait, wrong thread.
- Derek Coward
I am also an internet marketing guru and SEO expert.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I am Malcolm X
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I am the Internet.
- sofarsoShawn
I invented internet marketing.
- imabonehead
I sell my expert internet marketing services via daily inspirational affirmations applied through an SEO affiliated marketing program.
- Kurt Starnes
I'm just waiting for the one from @hotdogladies
- Alan Chamberlain
er, @hotdogsladies
- Alan Chamberlain
What's your position on consultants? :P
- Justin Whitaker
We need some more descriptors - especially for female guru-types. Just about everyone is a Queen, Goddess, Diva or Maven. But I think yer right, there, (please excuse faked down-home, upper-midwest accent) about that purported internet-marketing guru-dom, from either sex (I still think gender is something that has to do with grammar in foreign languages.) For one thing, in 2009, what's the diff between internet marketing and plain old marketing?
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
i'm the Bela Lugosi of parenting.
- Joe Silence
are you denying that internet marketing gurus exist?
- Vincent van Wylick
I just got 10 more followers on Twitter after I liked this entry and it went to my Twitter feed. :D
- Tarmo Aidantausta
lol same. I think Francine Hardaway is an internet marketing guru. :)
- Vincent van Wylick
I'm Anne Hathaway. and an Internet Marketing slut.
- Glen Campbell, esq.
I'm an ignorant slut or so somebody told me.
- Brian Sullivan
I'm an ignorant slut expert
- Rodfather
Brian, yes, you've been told that... :(
- directeur
Oh! And I'm your father y'all, Luke, Rodfather, everyone! I'm your father
- directeur
I'm an internet marketing gnu.
- grace
Aspiring internet marketing guru, SEO expert, social media maven, web startup entrepreneur, venture capitalist, Robert Scoble clone and Nobel Peace Prize
- Michael Slattery
I am not a number!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I am the Walrus. Koo koo kee choo.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Self-proclaimed gurus, mentors, egg spurts--Lame!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Lindsay-Lindsay-Bo-binsay must be a Brit. Prisoner and Beatles quotes after another - only Monty Python quote missing...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Yes, I forgot: programmer rock star
- Michael Slattery
Just occurred to me that if the word 'author' appears in your bio without it referring to a specific multimedia-development or software process, you probably aren't really a writer.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
@Tarmo - LOL - not a Brit... just married to a guy who has exposed me to a lot of British TV. :) Just to make you happy though: "I am Arthur, King of the Britons!"
- Fa La La La Lindsay
King of the who?
- Michael Slattery
If the word "Arthur" appears in your bio without it referring to a specific who, you probably aren't really a king
- Michael Slattery
Oy, is there a more general movie talk group which actually has users? This seemed to be only active one if I searched for movies/films...
Beau Liening liked this
I don't think there's a particularly active one.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yeah, I was just wondering because I wanted to share the Stanley Kubrick interview material page I found and this didn't seem to fit the profile. :)
- Tarmo Aidantausta
I'd go ahead and share it here. People use it for more than just reviews, despite the profile description.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Fair enough...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
lee crutchley - http://www.sharesomecandy.com/2009...
I know! I played outside and sometimes played computer games.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
How long does it take to actually get Wave once someone says they've invited you?
Alex Scrivener, shâhin and RAPatton liked this
Months, I think. I'm still trying to "get it." :)
- Cristo
Mine took almost a week.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
I don't mean understand it, I mean actually get new toy to play with.
- MicahBear78
Couple of days from what I've seen.
- Mark Dodson
me? 3 days.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Were you invited Micah?, good. I remember you were looking 4 1
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Trish R said she'd hook me up.
- MicahBear78
Took 3 days here
- manuel
Still waiting..........
- ashish
In my case I think it took a couple weeks... maybe just a week and a half.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
Check that last comment. It was less than a week.
- Mark "Godt Nyt Ǻr"
I has it now! Thanks Trish R!
- MicahBear78
Viivi ja Wagner 2009-10-27 - http://www.hs.fi/viivija...
Wagner (the pig): Where do you want to sit? Viivi (the woman): Anywhere. Viivi: Not there!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
how do people usually create an interface from a C++ library to Python and other languages? Do they create a C library of functions that act as wrappers for the C++ classes and methods?
I haven't done this, but I remember one of the #python.fi guys talking about Pyrex and then I found htis: http://wiki.cython.org/Wrappin...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Guys, please do not send me things at Google wave right now without contacting me here first. I'm on a few giant threads and I can't get rid of them.
Penguin It's Cold Outside, Tapio Kulmala, ffcode and 3 other people liked this
Ugh, this is so frustrating. I can't delete anything or remove myself. I may be done with Wave until they figure this out.
- joey
Welcome to the Hype Machine!
- Akiva Moskovitz
We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
- Katy S
yeah not grok'g the wave yet - waiting for my "eddie would go" moment :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
+1 Katy S, ps, and im sorry youve been asimilated joey, :(
- chaz2b
I'm seriously irritated with this lack of functionality; I don't feel like I can use Wave until it is fixed. If I want to hear from someone, I'll give out my contact info. I love you guys, but that doesn't mean I want to replicate FF in every place I go on the Internet. Sometimes I need some space.
- joey
Send me a Wave invite when you get one and I promise not to wave you! :P
- veo
I can imagine that frustration. I look forward to having this same problem when I'm invited to Wave...
- Mike Lewis
Wave right now is all about showing off the potential. It reminds me very much of when XML was introduced. Everyone was like, 'Okay, yeah, this is really neat. Now what?'
- Akiva Moskovitz
What does google wave do?
- orionstarr
from iPhone
+1. Google Wave is a giant spam vector at the moment: http://friendfeed.com/bgolub.... I think it's because I am on many contact lists because I am active on developer mailing lists (FriendFeed, Tornado, Twitter, etc.) and Google's default is to add me to your contacts if we have ever had a direct exchange, which happens on occasion....
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- Benjamin Golub
I'm having the opposite effect- nothing that interesting going on, need to spur some action. the inability to unsub is HUGE, though.
- anna sauce
I waved at you yesterday Anna. That is a little action.... I guess.
- Joe
I'm a fan, but I'm only using it for specific conversations and projects with small sets of people at the moment. If I see a new wave with more than about 20 people on it, I just delete it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I was trying to use wave for that. It won't let me delete anything. The wave still shows up in my inbox.
- joey
Can't you mute waves?
- Akiva Moskovitz
the mute button is your friend
- chrisofspades
Yes, but it doesn't make it go away. It's still there in my inbox, taunting me.
- joey
Can't you archive it?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Mute should make it go away (unless it is buggy right now). Mute = archive + never return to the inbox.
- Benjamin Golub
Why would I want to archive it? I just want to delete it.
- joey
DITTO.
- cecily
This is Google. You're not allowed to delete things.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I just select the wave in my inbox and hit the "Trash" button or hit the "Trash" button in the right hand view of the note and it goes away, i.e. it goes to your Trash, and you only see it again if you move it back to your inbox.
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh, Akiva, I should have known. They build their ad servers the same way.
- joey
Ken, I've trashed every message on the waves and the waves themselves but it's still in my inbox.
- joey
Actually, I just tried to archive two waves in my inbox and they stayed there, too. Sounds like a bug.
- Akiva Moskovitz
But the mighty Google never has bugs!
- joey
Every major piece of software has bugs.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
I think that Tarmo's sarcasm detector has bugs.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm not software but even I have bugs.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Y'know I just noticed I can only delete a wave if it's the first one listed in my inbox. Er... first in the inbox and with unread blips. Or maybe only on Wednesday. I give up... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I guess I've just been lucky.
- Ken Sheppardson
The trash-button is totally unpredictable. Sometimes it works like a charm, sometimes you click it 10 times and nothing happens, sometimes the wave disappears 10 minutes later. Annoying.
- Tapio Kulmala
Um isn't this thing still in Beta? So why would anyone expect it to be perfect now?
- Joe
I think there's a big difference between "expecting it to be perfect" and "expecting to be able to easily delete/unsubscribe from stuff."
- s t e v e
Oh, then carry on w/ the whining.
- Joe
I am on the same wave and I want to THANK that person for adding me so I can see how this works!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Joe
Joe, if you think my post is just whining and you want to be passive aggressive and assume what wave I'm talking about, why don't you just hide this thread?
- joey
Joey just read the documentation that says you can mute threads, but alas, I muted that one we're both on, and it popped up again with unread messages. I think this is an official bug.
- anna sauce
I've tried it on three different threads and it isn't working. I'm just taking a break for now.
- joey
Having the same problem. I have a wave that I can't mute, archive or trash. Really frustrating.
- Brian Newman
If you can all download the latest episode of bollocks then everything works.
I was able to download it but for some reason it got it's own column...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Ralph Lauren: We Are Determined To Outdo The Gap - http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009...
This is pure brilliance!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
This is pure brilliance!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
September 27, 2009 - http://www.smbc-comics.com/index...
I suppose that's head of me now that I'm single again...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
September 30, 2009 - http://www.smbc-comics.com/index...
That'd be interesting to try out...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
October 1, 2009 - http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip...
Those breasts hopefully don't really exist...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Installing Google Chrome OS | Google Chrome Browser - http://google-chrome-browser.com/install...
Kol Tregaskes, David Foucher, Zachary TG and 19 other people liked this
I am really disappointed if this is actually what Chrome OS is.
- Mitch
its just a striped down version of linux
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
You've got to be kidding me...
- Lucius Payne
it is
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Yeah! A copy of Linux!!! That's all!!!
- FFTornado
That's a fake! This is a OpenSuse Linux OS with a custom background!
- Stefano Calosso
But still chrome is strip down version of linux :)
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
If this were really Chrome OS wouldn't there have been an official google blog post about it?
- Adewale Oshineye
+1 Adewale
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
+1 Adewale
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
@Adewale Oshineye Not necessarily. It could be leak from some alpha tester, but I don't believe it really is...
- Lucius Payne
@angrykeyboarder - TivoOS is "a Linux based OS". OpenWRT is "a Linux based OS". Android is "a Linux based OS". The Linux kernel supports a much bigger ecosystem than the traditional Linux distributions represent. ChromeOS could be radically different to any of the distributions you've listed above - and if you read Google's statements carefully I think you'll see there is a good chance it will.
- Nick Lothian
++1 nick
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
It says on http://sites.google.com/site...: "Chrome OS is not related to Google. Service provided by SUSE Studio. See the license."
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Google has already stated that ChromeOS will be a customized Linux distribution with some differences compared to all other distros: it will be a bit simplified so as to be easier to use and will have a custom Window Manager (which I guess is why Google works together with NVidia). So, yeah, that may not be a final "ChromeOS" per se, but it could be a real "beta version" (like the first betas of Vista that seemed more like an "XP+" version of Windows).
- Darklord
I believe that's fake.
- Matt Cutts
What? How? LOL
- Zachary TG
I made an OS like this. But it was called infinat OS.
- Zachary TG
Chrome OS buit with Suse Studio ! ... funny !
- marcelobernard
I'm running Google Chrome OS in Virtual Box but it's asking for an admin password when I try to change settings like the display. :-(
rowlikeagirl liked this
Dude... It's not Google Chrome OS... It says on http://sites.google.com/site... following: Chrome OS is not related to Google. Service provided by SUSE Studio. See the license.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
nice :)
Андрей, Arijit Das, NaHi and 70 other people liked this
@mirat++
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Yuck. Django = Python = FAIL.
- Otto
Python itself is a fail. Whitespace with meaning? Seriously? Uber-fail.
- Otto
Damn right.
- Otto
PHP and Python are both fine, anything but ASP!
- Mike Chelen
Otto, you sound like me before I actually started programming in Python. It rocks.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Python's the best, I've got to agree with the people who dislike the whitespace thing though (It's still the best).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I tried to use Python, then stopped even bothering when I couldn't find a way to manually define my code blocks. It's a stupid design feature that makes the language unusable for me. Mainly, I don't like using "smart" editors or IDEs for simplistic things, and the whitespace issue makes it more or less mandatory to use one of those. They say Lisp is a language of parentheses... Well, Python is a language of the spacebar.
- Otto
Why would you *not* indent your code that way anyway? Is the ability to format your code badly really a feature worth fighting for? Python forces people to pay attention to formatting, which improves readability and maintainability. Pure win.
- Kevin Shaum
The ability to format my code the way I want to format it instead of sticking to some arbitrary specification that, frankly, makes no sense, is a feature that I will not give up, yes. One size does *NOT* fit all, and there is more than one way to do anything. Making code formatting have *programmatic meaning* is an epic fail, in every sense. I will not now, nor ever, use a language that has this "feature". End of discussion.
- Otto
@Otto It doesn't make it a fail if you don't like it. Besides if that's the only flaw you can find in Python it just demonstrates how much you really know about it. ;) There's a saying in Finnish which translates to English something like: You should try everything once, except folk dancing and incest.
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Tarmo: I disagree entirely. I am the only person that matters! HOORAY EGO! HOORAY BEER!
- Otto
/me is glad I don't have to read Otto's code. ;)
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Steve: You'd be surprised. Do you have a car made in the last ten years? Well, there's a better than even chance that some of my code is actually inside your car (and a ~85% chance that my code has affected your car in some manner during manufacture). Have a nice drive home. :-)
- Otto
really nice approach .. Congratulations.
- VeriMask
I don't understand the way you guys are responding to Otto - he doesn't like a key aspect of coding in Python; something that touches every line of code he would write - so why should he continue to mess with it? There are plenty of really good languages out there that he can use and get the job done. he tried it, didn't like it, and moved on. If you like using it great - but his not liking it doesn't reflect on your or the language at all; so why be defensive?
- Bill Rawlinson
Otto: distinguishing between formatting and programmatic logic is subjective. in C for example, a new line character has meaning, so "#include <iostream> void main()" would be different than putting them on separate lines.
- Mike Chelen
Bill: The reason is, virtually every programmer responds the same way the first time they look at Python; but most people who stick with it a few days *completely* reverse their opinions. I went months thinking Python was awful before really digging in, and found out I had been missing out on something really cool.
- Kevin Shaum
go php go !
- Furkan Tunalı
Kevin: Why should I stick with it? I've read several code examples of it, I see no inherent advantages to using it (especially since virtually every other modern language offers a very similar feature set), and trying to adhere to its annoying and strange formatting standards drives me straight up the damn wall, so no. The hell with it. Python is the only language I've ever seen where...
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- Otto
While I do agree with Otto of the ridiculousness of whitespace having an effect on program execution, I disagree with Otto's stance on branding Python as a bad language per se. It is a nice language to ease beginners into writing nicely formatted code, although I shudder to think of writing huge apps with it. As was posted, there is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all language. Me? Oh,...
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- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
from fftogo
Otto: my reason for learning python was originally that it was the only language supported by google app engine, which has a certain utility. since they now support java as well, it is more due to seeing some elegant examples in python, and that if from google's point of view any language is somehow comparable to java, there is probably a good reason to learn more about it ;)
- Mike Chelen
Where it published? is there any story with it
- Satya Prakash
An Introduction to the Java Logging API - O'Reilly Media - http://onjava.com/pub...
Ootko se sieki vaan Javatouhuihin lähtenyt?-)
- Tarmo Aidantausta
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