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FF as a twitter client? not for me: twitter is a client to my friendfeed platform. how can I skip twitter entirely? I want 'post to facebook' pipe (too). - jacek

@jacek, just link up twitter to facebook, and then your comments on FF will appear on twitter, and will then in turn appear on facebook. - Jordan Brock

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Great timing. Big day for FriendFeed Monday. I'll definitely be tuned in. - Rolf Schewe

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Awesome! - Susan Beebe

Great! I may actually be able to catch that one due to the time! Thanks! - ursi

I will be in the air, unfortunately. Bummer. - Robert Scoble

Good to hear. A good time for that. - Thomas Hawk

Gillmor, is anyone from the FF team on your show this afternoon? - Thomas Hawk

My guess would be he's probably been tired since Friday or so, Chris. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

yes Paul Buchheit will be on Gilmor Gang at 4PM Pacific streamed on Twit.TV live - Steve Gillmor

I can barely hear what Leo is saying. - Dave Winer

Leo's spent the last few days trying to recover from a tricaster failure and has been tweaking levels on different services, getting resolutions reset on feeds, etc. The ustream feed seems to have the best audio at the moment: http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Ken Sheppardson

50min till Gillmor Gang right? - Wo

Cris: yes - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Ken. This real time thing is pretty neat! - Wo

Live now at http://live.twit.tv - Ken Sheppardson

Paul Buchheit, Mike Arrington, Scoble, Dan Farber, Andrew Keen, and Kevin Marks. - Ken Sheppardson

Mike says he's writing an article right now: "FriendFeed is in danger of becoming the coolest app no one uses" - Ken Sheppardson

Mike sorta declares FF missed the boat and won't be able to overcome Twitter's lead/network effects. Paul's trying to defend the fact that they can/should be more than one company in the space. - Ken Sheppardson

I disagree with Arrington - Bwana ☠

Yeah, I don't think it's going to be a short term shift en masse to FriendFeed - Ken Sheppardson

Has Andrew used the beta? - Ken Sheppardson

Andrew seems like he doesn't understand the beta. - Thomas Hawk

Talking heads are mentioning Twitter because it is a fad - Bwana ☠

the idea of twitter storing my images and video on their site gives me the willies. - Karoli

Half of them don't even know what they're saying - Bwana ☠

I wish they'd stop talking about twitter... - Adnan

yeah it seems like some of the people on the call really don't understand how the new FriendFeed even really works. - Thomas Hawk

I just brought my friends timeline into Friendfeed as a custom RSS feed. - Karoli

Bwana: Yeah, this is a whole lot more about how the standard market dynamics stuff than what FriendFeed's done - Ken Sheppardson

I thought this was going to be a "Twitter free" edition...I guess I was wrong. - Ahmed

I can't understand some of these guys because they are talking over each other. - Mol, Time Warping

Ahmed: You can't really talk about FriendFeed after today without also talking about Twitter and Facebook. - Ken Sheppardson

Hey, yeah... let's talk to Paul about this... - Ken Sheppardson

Chris: They have to go through the usual suspects before they can settle in and talk about FriendFeed :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Chris, don't take it personally. - Kevin Fox

live updating on the new beta really works well for this type of back channel. - Thomas Hawk

Ken : True... - Ahmed

This realtime discussion is amazing... instant realtime chat room! - Adnan

Mike is missing the standards conversation - Kevin Marks

Thomas, it's great. I did turn off the replies to Twitter feature though... - Karoli

Live blogging events pretty much changed overnight. - Ken Sheppardson

I'd love to ask Paul, will there be any chance to give people the choice for run-Time instead of forcing it onto people. That's what I didn't like. Leave it an option. - Mol, Time Warping

That's actually a really good point: "Celebrities aren't coming to Twitter for conversation." - Kevin Fox

Thomas: opening up an entry page (this one for instance: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) works really well in the beta. It's like a chat room :) - Benjamin Golub

I agree with Paul, personally I'm not interested in celebrities and Twitter has very little appeal for me. I'm far more interested in interesting tech and photography and for that FF is far more interesting a place. - Thomas Hawk

Molly, just hit pause and manually refresh - Karoli

Neither is Steve Gillmor, for that matter. - Kent

Benjamin: Only little kink is the page doesn't scroll to keep up. The convo keeps walking off the bottom of the screen. - Ken Sheppardson

If I post a comment, does it leave the post input open and focused? No. :( - Michael Leggett

Are the comments to this post from Steve just an analog to an IRC chat? Looks darned familiar! - Calgary Guru

I love FF over Twitter. - Mol, Time Warping

Michael: It does if you're on a single-item page. - Kevin Fox

Calgary: Absolutly, but it's persistent, searchable, linkable... - Ken Sheppardson

RT is great for these fast-moving conversations, but if only the comment button was down at the bottom. - j1m

Michael: when on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) if you post a comment it immediately refocuses the comment box. Edit: Kevin beat me! - Benjamin Golub

It makes it pretty much a group IM chat. - Kevin Fox

yeah this is nice. - MG Siegler

...and when I see somebody say something interesting here, I can jump off an link to everything they've ever written. - Ken Sheppardson

J1m if you click the link and come into this post only, the comment button is at the bottom. - Simon Wicks

Facebook. ugh. - Karoli

Can I go slap Mike Arrington? - Mol, Time Warping

Molly, get in line behind me. - Karoli

Molly: Ask Kevin to. - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed pro tip: once on an entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...) click on the entry timestamp again :) - Benjamin Golub

Mike was pretty hilarious at the FF demo on Friday. He was wandering around the office looking at whiteboards and stuff... - Ken Sheppardson

Why should I use FriendFeed when I'm happy on Twitter? <-- Use Twitter. Duh. - Bwana ☠

Facebook's UGI is crap now, but I still use it. :) - Mol, Time Warping

Benjamin: That's sweet! - Sam Grover

Thanks Benjamin - Phil Maxwell

oops UI not UGI - Mol, Time Warping

I like the way these comments are turning into an irc room - Kevin Marks

Twitter is a broadcasting channel now. The real exchange of ideas is going to be here. - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed has photos, Twitter does not, I think that's huge right there and very disruptive. - Thomas Hawk

oh, that's very cool Benjamin - Karoli

FF is good for the conversation. - Mol, Time Warping

I think with the feedback FF is getting, they will improve their UI. - Mol, Time Warping

Friendfeed is pretty cool with the update. - Paul L. McCord Jr.

It's lots of things. It's adaptable. It's sorta infinitely extensible. The trick is making it simple at the same time. - Ken Sheppardson

Paul seems like a really understanding person. - Mol, Time Warping

The comment box needs to be above the comment stream so it doesn't get pushed of the bottom of the window if a couple of people post comments while you're typing. - Phil Maxwell

Kevin: Ask what FF's runway looks like, will ya? - Ken Sheppardson

Can't wait to hear it. When will it post to the web. - Tom Parish

I am not giving Twitter or Facebook my content. They keep it - Karoli

It would be interesting to pick any two: FriendFeed, Facebook, or Twitter, and assign those two arbitrary user counts where one had 10x the other, and then try to make the argument of how the underdog was doomed, or would eclipse the larger site. - Kevin Fox

I can't understand why it's always a choice between FriendFeed or Twitter and not a choice between Facebook or Twitter. Boggles my mind - Bwana ☠

When FriendFeed will tip: When people get sick of duplicating themselves across FB, Twitter, Flickr, Disqus, BackType, etc. - Karoli

There are tautological arguments. Twitter is superior to Friendfeed because it's simple, but Facebook is superior to Twitter because it has more functionality. - Kevin Fox

I don't think a direct 1-to-1 comparison of users is fair. Does a twitter user have the same value as a FF user under all the possible monitization schemes you can imagine? - Ken Sheppardson

*sarcastic tone* Yeah get Paul off the line so we can trash FF. *rolls eyes* - Mol, Time Warping

FF is far superior to either for two simple reasons. 1. It's far better for conversations. 2. Visual representation is significant and in many ways can be more relevant than text alone. - Thomas Hawk

I prefer friendfeed over twitter because it allows a conversation to beuch less fragmented. I can see the whole conversation rather than having to jump all over the place to pick up what is being said. Twitter is one on one im and not the group chat I prefer - Iain

Scoble speaks truth. - Bwana ☠

The most telling argument is probably that this dicussion we're having here simply couldn't happen on Twitter as it currently exists. - Kevin Fox

@Kevin @Bravada Agreed! Discussion here is much easier to follow than on Twitter - Pat Hawks

Scoble rocks - Mol, Time Warping

I'm on the call and reading this - Kevin Marks

nice. hi Kevin. - Thomas Hawk

Hi Kevin :) - Mol, Time Warping

Kevin: Hi! Are you reading via the entry page (http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi...)? - Benjamin Golub

Much better than the 'real chat rooms' - Amyloo

Mike has a very typical biz/VC approach to this it seems. Sorta limits the scope of what one sees it seems. - Ken Sheppardson

We have real-time web around a real-time video show... - Bwana ☠

When Paul says multiple services converging... does that mean he sees friendfeed, facebook and twitter eventually having the same functionality? - Adnan

Adnon: No, it means he sees interoperability and a free flow of data between them. - Ken Sheppardson

Adnan, since Facebook seems to copy everything FriendFeed does anyway... :) - Karoli

Back in my day, we called this IRC... kinda cool it's on the web now - Bwana ☠

"Why would you want a private room?" Because some people have friends in real life that they want to share with and not worry about random people on the internets messing it up - Pat Hawks

Bwana: And we can search it, link to it, hop off form it into peoples' other stuff, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

Well, I'm off. Bye :) - Mol, Time Warping

Bwana, on the web and going out to anyone who follows you if you want it to. - Karoli

Someone should get Scoble in this thread. - Thomas Hawk

Scoble speaks for the drunken folk. yay! - Bwana ☠

Kevin: Suggest Andrew actually try it, will ya? - Ken Sheppardson

yes Kevin it would be great to let the others on the call know that this is going on. - Thomas Hawk

Beta tweak: Put a comment link a the bottom of an active thread. I keep having to scroll up to get the comment box to come back up :) - Bwana ☠

Bwana: go directly to the item. It expands automatically, and you always have a comment box open: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... - Ken Sheppardson

Bwana, are you on the permalinked (and beta) page of this thread? If so, I think the box should always show. - Philipp Lenssen

Oh ok, I was on Steve's page - Bwana ☠

IM should be a component of Twitter, except that they don't give a shit about their users. - Karoli

Is friendfeed doing anything with opensocial? - Adnan

I think FriendFeed might kill the Prime Minister of Malaysia - MG Siegler

Chris: Some folks on this call (e.g. Steve) think email's dying, yes. - Ken Sheppardson

I hate email. I like FF direct messaging. - Thomas Hawk

Compare this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... to this: http://search.twitter.com/search... Which is actually more meaningful? - Kevin Fox

Chris White: maybe that's why Twitter removed their IM functionality? - Phil Maxwell

Friend feed is all about the databasing and the search!! - Ed Dale

@Kevin Yes! FriendFeed search ftw - Pat Hawks

Because you're using it Leo LOL - Bwana ☠

Adnan: Matt Cutts and Paul were talking about OpenSocial last Friday night... keep your eyes open. - Ken Sheppardson

On Twitter, I know 50 people are telling other people to listen to Gillmore Gang. On Friendfeed there are several active conversations in realtime *about* the things that are being discussed on the show right now. - Kevin Fox

Kevin: perfect example - Bwana ☠

The search is the most powerful I've seen, particularly when it starts updating in real time - Karoli

Which is why I'm so excited about Filters - Bwana ☠

My company uses friendfeed as a group repository for niches we are researching - fully searchable - people can comment and it's permanent - Ed Dale

ken: I was in the middle of watching scobles video of the event when the gillmorgang started... :) - Adnan

Kevin Fox: Would be nice if there were someway to know/see what other convos are going. - Ken Sheppardson

bwana: I can't wait till when they make filters realtime! - Adnan

twitter is broadcast - friendfeed is a destination - Ed Dale

Not *everybody* uses Google, but they're doing all right - Pat Hawks

Adnan: It was after the demo, over a beer. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken Sheppardson: That's what I linked to: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - Kevin Fox

Google at one point was far smaller than Yahoo. And then Google came along with better tech. Sometimes you actually can build a better mousetrap. - Thomas Hawk

Adnan: seriously - Bwana ☠

It's a search for "Gillmor Gang' entries with more than 5 comments. - Kevin Fox

Leo speaks for the common man - Bwana ☠

Aha... cool. I've been trying to funnel everybody here. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Mike is wrong about network effects and disruption. - Kevin Marks

friendfeed needs an api period - not what they are currently calling an api - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Some superset of the Twitter API, yes - Ken Sheppardson

the trouble with twitter is the follow you follow me problem - by making it to "rude" not to follow people - they create a mess - Ed Dale

I agree with those who say the API for FF needs to be more robust. Developers won't build if they don't get an API they can work with. - Karoli

yes, follow too many people on twitter it's a total mess. FriendFeed is far more manageable. - Thomas Hawk

let him finish a sentence, mike - Ken Sheppardson

not true @chris White - anyone can send you an @ message - Ed Dale

Scoble and Mike, like a married couple :) - Simon Wicks

FF is vastly superior for realtime search. - Thomas Hawk

it isn't real time search, Mike. it's TRACK - Karoli

The metadata's much, much richer on FF than Twitter. - Ken Sheppardson

with the real time push, it becomes track - Karoli

I gree with that - - Ed Dale

impossible - Ed Dale

Thomas: Agreed! Robert really has a point... even Arrington agrees! realtime search is important. - Adnan

This real-time chat is one of the reasons why FF new UI is so much relevant - Martin Añazco

Martin - But it's tooo faaaaaaaast </whine> :P - Bwana ☠

Likes are much richer than Favorites - Ken Sheppardson

Bwana, you crack me up. - Kevin Fox

this chat is excellent. - Ed Dale

see how this realtime is limited to this thread....Guess what else can do that... LISTS!! - Bwana ☠

friendfeed has metadata because they don't strip it from the incoming sources - twitter strips all of it but the source and the 140 characters - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Lists of comments provide much more semantic connectivity than @ signs on Twitter - Ken Sheppardson

@Bwana we will get use to it or find better ways to use it. It's just day 1 on this. - Martin Añazco

someone in the chat room just said short statement metadata is useless. LOL. - Karoli

Martin - yup you're right - Bwana ☠

hang with the hashtags, then - Karoli

Likes are the new retweets - Karoli

Scoble is a FFholic!! best ever.. - Ahmed

He said Plurk!! hahah - Bwana ☠

oh dear the meta data of likes and comments alone is immense for the search engine - Ed Dale

If this permalinked thread is IRC, then I would want the comment box to always be scrolled into sight/ be at the bottom, tho. - Philipp Lenssen

Twitter and FF can and will coexist. - Pat Hawks

Yeah, Laconica/Jaiku are the biggest losers here. - Ken Sheppardson

Philipp, agree. frustrating to keep having to retrieve the comment box. - Karoli

Philip it is here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... - Bwana ☠

Robert just nailed it. - Thomas Hawk

Yes. Needles out of the haystack ftw - Pat Hawks

Ken, why isn't there a bridge into Laconica like there is to Twitter? - Karoli

That's why they're shutting him up Thomas - Bwana ☠

Right on Scoble!! - Ed Dale

You have all the same friends you had yesterday, you just see them now. You're just seeing everything you used to miss. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert is on top of it tonight - Bwana ☠

Mike Arrington is an asshole today. - Karoli

Mike! See this forum! THIS IS WHY! - Pat Hawks

@Karoli only today? - Ahmed

Karoli: You mean a little checkbox to post to Identica? Because nobody uses Identica. - Ken Sheppardson

I just realized..my FriendFeed stats are going to be weird this month... Steve Gillmor will be my #1 guy - Bwana ☠

Bwana: He has to be to deal with Mike. - Ken Sheppardson

@Ahmed I was hoping someone would say that. - Karoli

Scoble's really on today. Making very good points. - Thomas Hawk

Bwana, that is where I am, but old comments perhaps should be pushed away by new comments... right now, new comments push away the comment box instead. - Philipp Lenssen

Here it is again...Explain again Robert lol - Bwana ☠

if you have comments and likes!! you can filter!!!!! - Ed Dale

Scoble knows how FF works far more than Arrington does. - Thomas Hawk

meta data is sadly not a celebrity word :-) - Ed Dale

Ken...but still, what if we want to communicate from FF. I have to leave to reply, can't send likes there. Even if it's not huge, it would center everything on FF - Karoli

SOMEBODY get this link in front of Mike! - Pat Hawks

Scobles been put on the spot so many times, he's improved all his arguments over time! :) - Adnan

Ed - Let's make a cute name for it.. "Meta Meta" or "MoMeta" - Bwana ☠

I like how the company founder just sits back and let's Scoble explain stuff. Robert is FriendFeed's "Goose", re the Top Gun analogy earlier today. - Ken Sheppardson

@Karoli I think he is just on the show to make people angry... - Ahmed

Fluffy kitten meta - Ed Dale

also group messaging, Filters... - Ken Sheppardson

how do I make a filter of only this comment stream? (sorry if it's a stupid question) - Michael Breslin

FF = the dream of social search realized. Twitter = one big search mess. - Thomas Hawk

DITTO SCOBLE!!! - Ed Dale

awkward silence of "I'm right you're wrong" - Bwana ☠

Fuck you, Mike Arrington. Just sayin'. - Karoli

sorry about the ditto! - Ed Dale

:) - Thomas Hawk

but its searchable!!!! - Ed Dale

This could never happen on Twitter. - Thomas Hawk

its permanent!!! - Ed Dale

And you can search it later, link to other stuff, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

Michael, as a workaround, perhaps you can search for this guid and add the search as filter 579630c9-3f6c-4e9e-a8ec-4e91a52d9f91 - Philipp Lenssen

Let that become Arrington metadata. I've been saying that to myself forever - Karoli

Just today :) - Kent

If other companies start pumping their activities into twitter and if they get to critical mass, does that nuke FriendFeed? - Angus Logan

you cant save IRS ...easily - Ed Dale

We have this thread as proof when Arrington says he was behind FF all along when it becomes big - Bwana ☠

YES! - Pat Hawks

Yes, Michael - Ken Sheppardson

Ahmed, he's succeeding. - Karoli

:) - Bwana ☠

haha. yes. - Thomas Hawk

pretty much - Ed Dale

Yes, you broke the embargo... Jerk. - Bwana ☠

I love you! - Bwana ☠

I HATE you too. - Bwana ☠

wow..who likes Arrington...really? - Ahmed

Arrington should join this chat. - Thomas Hawk

Gmail has all your email. Next argument. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken wins again - Bwana ☠

and google has all its data on their site!! - Ed Dale

Angus, how is Friendfeed nuked? Given that Twitter's feed can come to FF, I'd think the superior search would hose Twitter - Karoli

uhhh... now we are worried about silos... but we aren't worried about it when we talk about twitter? - Adnan

Ken, I have all my email. GMail holds it in the cloud, but it's all stored here, too. - Karoli

Twitter is limited...FF is the future! - Ahmed

I'd rather have the guy who came up with "don't be evil" managing the conversation on his site than trusting it to Twitter. just sayin'. - Thomas Hawk

I think of the Big Three, FriendFeed is the most likely to build embeddable services that let publishers brand their conversations. - Ken Sheppardson

its certainly not either/or - Ed Dale

It's here! - Chris Baskind

It's RIGHT HERE. - Trevor Childs

WE ARE HERE :) - Ahmed

*Waves to Mike* - Ken Sheppardson

Too bad Mike doesn't listen to women. he'd have the link to the chat room now. - Karoli

too much scrolling - Maxine Appleby

and you can search for it - Ed Dale

Philipp, thanks, seems to work. - Michael Breslin

Somebody tell mike to search for "arrington comments: 200" - Ken Sheppardson

You're not good at all sir - Bwana ☠

com'on now, it's right here..my 14 year old bro can find it! - Ahmed

LOL - Bwana ☠

I found it! - Randy Archer

"It's right there at the top" :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Hi. Welcome to your doom - Bwana ☠

Hi, Mike - Ken Sheppardson

he's found it. - Thomas Hawk

Hi Mike. - Thomas Hawk

Click on the timestamp - Ken Sheppardson

What has science done?! - iluvgimp

Listening (and viewing) the discussion in real time is amazing. - Henry Burger

Here it is again!! - Jeff

found it, finally, eh? - Karoli

Does this thing auto scroll for us as well? (my entry box has just scrolled off the screen!) I guess not. - Viran

GamersCircle Comics was here - Andy Wood

Somebody tell mike to search for "arrington comments: 200" - great point - Ed Dale

this could never happen on Twitter. - Thomas Hawk

LOL blais - Bwana ☠

it isn't a chat room... it is a conversation - Brian Roy

the scroll issue needs to be fixed. hate my comment box rolling out of sight - Karoli

Auto scroll would be sweet. - Pat Hawks

how about an autoscroll? Is that possible? - Phil Maxwell

why to turn it into a room? just click on the time stamp, it has its own page - Jérôme Flipo

And we stay on topic here. (mostly) - Bwana ☠

If you go to the item directly, http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... it'll scroll automatically for you, with a comment box that sticks on the bottom - Ken Sheppardson

a searchable and PERMANENT conversation - Ed Dale

go here and the box stays at teh bottom - Amyloo

muahahah - Bwana ☠

I agree with Pat...we need auto scroll - Ahmed

he found it thank the lord - Zach Scott

http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... - Amyloo

Real-time comment is awesome - Jérôme Flipo

Autoscrolling would be nice - Jeff

nice, thanks Ken - Viran

no need to get my 14 year old bro lol - Ahmed

the nice thing about FF is that there hasn't really been any censorship that i've seen. - Thomas Hawk

No. The permalink does not autoscroll... - Pat Hawks

I am not a troll. I am reacting in real time. - Karoli

It's not trolling if people would say it to your face, Mike ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Trolls are usually wrong...I'm just right :) - Bwana ☠

Oh, no, we bash Robert. - Ken Sheppardson

it's constructive criticism Mike :) - Ahmed

<3 Leo. - iluvgimp

Mike, I promise I don't spit - Karoli

Scoble made the most sense on the call. And probably knows FF better than anyone else on the call except Paul. - Thomas Hawk

block block block - Ken Sheppardson

Oohh also, use the scroll function in the browser, activated using the mousewheel/mousebutton3 and just set it to scroll to the bottom of the page, once it hits the last item, it won't scroll until a new item is added by friendfeed. - Viran

you're wrong! BLOCK! - Bwana ☠

Mike is just one of those persons that some people just love to hate :) - Phil Maxwell

LOL - Bwana ☠

Scoble has used the service a heap and gets the power of it - Ed Dale

+1 for Shel - Pat Hawks

Oh, please. stop it. you sat there and said FF would fail and a room full of people reacted . that's not trolling. - Karoli

Click on Saturday, which is a permalink and yes it does autoscroll. You need to go all the way down to the bottom - Rolf Schewe

OH Leo, don't say that please... - Trevor Childs

This is one of th few times where I completely agree with Scobel - Keith Barrett

Amyloo: How do you get to the link? - Nick in Manila

Thanks Leo :) - Andrew Smith

Scoble understands FF... mostly - Bwana ☠

@Rolf @Ken not in Firefox it doesn't - Pat Hawks

I've disagreed with him too :) - Bwana ☠

Rolf, the browser does not autoscroll here (Firefox 2.0.8). The comments do auto-push the box away instead. - Philipp Lenssen

Leo speaks sense. - Thomas Hawk

"mini-forums" will sping up where they are required - Ed Dale

+1 Karoli - Tony, Paradox of FF

Reminds me I need to cancel my Well membership. - Shawn Thompson

Yeah, in firefox the confo flows off the end of the screen - Ken Sheppardson

Good of leo to make nice with paul, so he'll want to come back... - Amyloo

idem for Chrome, Philipp - Jérôme Flipo

+1 Philipp - Pat Hawks

Yes. I thought you meant it was not real-time. Misunderstood. - Rolf Schewe

Barbarians being ... well ... actual people. - Chris Baskind

The ShamWow salesmen - Bwana ☠

I put my screen bottom up, so that the last comment is always at the top :D - Jérôme Flipo

But if we are commenting publicly how can we be trolls? - Brian Allen

Talent is not universal - Ken Sheppardson

Chris Baskind +1 - Karoli

I gotta say, the FF UI is not very intuitive. - iluvgimp

I am using Firefox 3.1 beta. Same thing happens here - Rolf Schewe

twitter will be fine if they get rid of auto follow - Ed Dale

It helps Hammer - Bwana ☠

Unwashed masses: The people that do not use leading edge tech - Keith Barrett

:) - Bwana ☠

who cares about following celebrities. I don't. I'm much more interesting in following great photographers. - Thomas Hawk

Doesn't auto-keep box at bottom of browser window in Chrome either here. - Philipp Lenssen

Well Leo..she did stop a suicide, so she is pretty smart.. - Ahmed

Wow, real time increase a lot the comment flooding, look at this thread! - Jérôme Flipo

Oh, the permalink is on the date, kind of like Wordpress. - Nick in Manila

Trolls .. Blocking give trolls more power - Michael Holzinger

Ed, I disagree. The Twitterati lists combined with lack of track mean it will be elitist. that's how they want it. Like Google weighting toward corporate sites in their results - Karoli

Nick: and Twitter :) - Bwana ☠

Jerome: We're discussing the live streaming Gillmor Gang at http://live.twit.tv - Ken Sheppardson

awkward silence of "wut" - Bwana ☠

Sometiemes trolls are nice to have around. - Thomas Hawk

I'm on Twitter because my site's readers are there, too. - Chris Baskind

Chrome seems to handle the ajax in a little smoother way on the thread page - Amyloo

wow, this is long. I like the trend with FF. They just need to give me some numbers that will boost my ego and I'll switch over. - Nick Gonzalez

Chris: I thought a troll was somebody who tried to incite you into responding. - Ken Sheppardson

@Philipp Lenssen Same issue here. I need to scroll down constantly to play catch up with the ever growing conversation. Hopefully there will be a fix for that. - Rolf Schewe

Mike, this could never happen on Twitter. - Thomas Hawk

As opposed to Twitter. - Ken Sheppardson

MAINSTREAM users pay for servers and keeping a service up. - Angus Logan

you are Mike - Andrew Smith

And now Mike is the Troll - Pat Hawks

Mike's trolling :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Twitter would get a reaction..we're too smart for that kind of bait - Bwana ☠

@Ken, I know, I'm listening too :S - Jérôme Flipo

Chris, exactly. so if you could bring your Twitter stream into Friendfeed, and reply from there, it's an invitation to conversation - Karoli

Mike is so much fun. ;-) - Chris Baskind

Leo nailed it. - Thomas Hawk

better than the junior high kids in the chat on the video pages! - Amyloo

Oh no..you didn't! - Ahmed

Leo, FTW. - Karoli

"I said that just to get a reaction." the definition of trolling. - Tony, Paradox of FF

Twitter = the AOL of Micromessaging. - Thomas Hawk

Agree with thomas - twitter is about individuals - friend feed will work for groups - Ed Dale

Mike would be a good agent provocateur. - Rolf Schewe

@Rolf Schewe I'm using the autoscroll using the mousewheel button to permanently scroll to the bottom of the page, give that a try :) - Viran

how many comments can a post hold before it starts messing up the browser? are their any posts with 1000+ comments? - Phil Maxwell

It's not Twitter vs FriendFeed.... - Bwana ☠

scoble's giving away money post had over a thousand I think. - Thomas Hawk

Twitter is a brilliant success that has not made a cent yet - Ed Dale

We could care less if Twitter succeeds - Bwana ☠

There's a difference between lots of people and quality content - Pat Hawks

MySpace grew at a staggering rate for awhile too - Karoli

and twitter is avery different service to friendfeed - Ed Dale

Phil, Robert had a 1000+ comment string - Karoli

Viran, I tried that, but how do you combine it with typing? :) - Philipp Lenssen

@Karoli ROFL - Pat Hawks

friendfeed will never be able to compete with Twitter's simplicity. - Phil Maxwell

That's like saying Facebook will fail because Twitter succeeds - Bwana ☠

Why can't Twitter, FriendFeed, and Facebook all succeed? Apple seems to be doing just fine right along side Microsoft? - Ken Sheppardson

Twitter is only a small part of FF. FF supplements other services - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Anybody who compares FriendFeed directly with Twitter doesn't understand Twitter - Pat Hawks

@Viran Thanks. Works great, until I have to type. ;) - Rolf Schewe

build in Friendfeed comments to your blog, Mike - Karoli

I will, however, refrain from repeating my FF/My Space comparison. ;-) - Chris Baskind

JaikuEngine: -) - Ken Sheppardson

I think in the future, people are going to hate simple stuff, they will need more features... - Ahmed

XMPP - Phil G

So how does the plugging of networks happen? Open Social? Why won't they talk about that? - Adnan

Yeah a comment button on the BOTTOM of the feed!!!!!!!!!!!!1 yeah! thanks for listening to my request for this earlier today!!!!1 woooo hooo! - Susan Beebe

twitter and friendfeed work well together - Ed Dale

REALTIME BLOG -- Try real time comments when people aren't on your blog using IM for the hundreds of millions of people on their desktop - Angus Logan

So we've went from it'll fail, to "I want this" - Bwana ☠

Ok must go... hubby wants BEEEEEEEER :) sorry to hit and run - Susan Beebe

Susan: Yes, when you're viewing an individual post. - Ken Sheppardson

I will crush the enemy social media and drive them before me and hear the lament of their users. - Moved to Facebook

smart hubby. - Thomas Hawk

i want transcript of the Gillmor Gang show today... :) - Susan Beebe

Bwana: I'm sure part of it is devils advocate/entertainment. - Ken Sheppardson

Its also very easy to subscribe to people here who are making sense - just click on their name - Ed Dale

Or good old fashioned two facerry - Bwana ☠

If the commenting systems go away, we still have the data. - Chris Baskind

Thomas - Yep we're celebrating! He finally dumped a client I advised him to dump MONTHS ago! my treat...LOTS of beer - Susan Beebe

I just made up a word - Bwana ☠

Mike throws stuff into Twitter. THAT is why it's better than FriendFeed - Pat Hawks

FriendFeed is the most likely of any of these big services to provide you with something that'll live on your system. - Ken Sheppardson

yes you did - Susan Beebe

Who here is making sense? - iluvgimp

haha funny Bwana! - Susan Beebe

stuff -nice word for it - Susan Beebe

lol @ Bwana - Tony, Paradox of FF

Susan's making the most sense about the whole getting beer for her husband thing. - Thomas Hawk

Daniel: What do you mean? We're talking about the live feed at http://live.twit.tv - Ken Sheppardson

how big will friendfeed have to get before kevin marks makes the move over to it? - Amyloo

yep :) I should should real-time comment how good each Harp & Guinness on tap will taste :) - Susan Beebe

having the data is HUGE. Twitter doesn't give yours back. Facebook? HAHAHAHA - Karoli

We use it for storage and search - create a room for a niche, get all the feeds in their and see what people like and what they comment on - Ed Dale

love you guys... gotta run... this is FUNNNNNNN :) thanks FF :) - Susan Beebe

http://activitystrea.ms and http://opensocial.org - Kevin Marks

Hello world \n - Ricardo Liberato

it's my default now - Amyloo

KShep: I'm listening to the same feed :) Just making a joke about none of this making sense. - iluvgimp

I'm never goin' back - Pat Hawks

People hate the grey - Bwana ☠

userstyles ftw - Bwana ☠

agreed Pat - Ed Dale

The summary: Twitter has already changed the game. FF could maybe change the game, but whether it will remains to be seen. We are still in the early stages of how this stuff works. Obviously, Twitter and FF (and dozens of other services) aren't mutually exclusive. - Albert Willis

user styles would rawk - Karoli

Daniel: gotcha - Ken Sheppardson

Is there a Pause hotkey? - Chris Baskind

i like FF beta - Michael Holzinger

oh Leo, they are not. - Karoli

@amyloo I'm mostly on twhirl, but this new FF is looking good - Kevin Marks

Pause button needs a refresh every X seconds option - Tony, Paradox of FF

Space bar should pause. - Jérôme Flipo

Like the FF beta : yes or no? - Ahmed

I;d like to turn bubbles off on the RT feed. I need my ral0estate - Keith Barrett

452 comments and no swear words or repeat spam messages. How is that bad? - Phil G

When you do a new DM...it defaults to MyFeed...bad..very bad - Bwana ☠

kevin, no, i meant go to work for them! - Amyloo

yep - Ricardo Liberato

seems almost too simple - Zach Scott

Yes, a pause keyboard shortcut would be sweet - Phil Maxwell

and fixed. - Bwana ☠

keyboard shortcuts period - Bwana ☠

I like the comments gray. - Thomas Hawk

black comments are a big one for me. don't dig the lighter comments - Karoli

Please, Kevin, ask for a "pause" keyboard shortcut! - Jérôme Flipo

themes ftw - Jay Neff

I agree, can you make them black? It's hard to tell I'm supposed to read this - Colin

THEMES! Woooooo - Phil G

Yes, nobody's made that request before, have they ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

spacebar pause ...should be simple to do right? - Bwana ☠

I think holding down the mouse button should pause - Pat Hawks

Phil, wiggling the mouse does pause it momentarily - Karoli

Theming would be nice, the pastel blue usernames don't show up too well for me :( - Viran

I'd pay $5 a month for access to CSS - Andrew Smith

500 comments now. - Marc Dong

Grey is perfect for me. - Jérôme Flipo

I'd like my comments to be in a different color though to find them. - Thomas Hawk

There are over 450 comments now. Is this a conversation anyone wants to follow, or is this evanescent like a chat room? - Francine Hardaway

Themes FTW! - Ahmed

I love the new UI, keep up the good work! - Jay Neff

It will seem weird without gray comments but I could live with it. - Mitch

whoa this is like a chat room when you get down to the individual feed item page, 10 comments posted before i could finish this - sean percival

Somebody suggest Andrew Keen try the service. - Ken Sheppardson

Search is EVERYTHING - Ed Dale

Francine, it's great in real time, and searchable later - Karoli

FF = social search of the future. - Thomas Hawk

no one talked about Filters - Bwana ☠

Karoli, but then I have to take my hands off the keyboard :) - Phil Maxwell

:( - Bwana ☠

francine not like a chatroom -- it effectively is one - Amyloo

very hard to scroll back to Comment link - need to be able to lock in on a realtime thread like this - jcunwired

It's probably a boring read, Francine, but perhaps a search goldmine. - Phil G

custom themes would be nice - Zach Scott

Bwana: Small steps :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Glad to see Leo likes it so much. - Thomas Hawk

Cheese... moved....RAWR - Bwana ☠

i'm about 500 comments late to this thread, but loving the new beta, on my mac & iphone. My new default on both platforms. - Jeffrey Marsh

Francine: it's basically the TWiTLive impromptu chat - iluvgimp

I'm doing a video tonight Leo :) - Bwana ☠

Jeffrey how are you viewing it on the iPhone - Karoli

most of the comments won't make sense not in real time - Phil Maxwell

Was a good chat - Simon Wicks

Is Léo looking at this thread right now? - Jérôme Flipo

I was going to ask for themes. - archaictree

beta interface works on iPhone - Bwana ☠

jcunwired: you can, click this link: http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... - Phil G

I hated the way it rendered on the iPhone - Karoli

I ALWAYS used the feeeds in real-time--wish the filters were RT. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

will be fun to read while listening to the recording, though - Amyloo

I do agree with Arrington: realtime FF is nice, but is it the game changer that Steve Gilmore's post implied? Not yet--at least not for most people. - Albert Willis

"It's all about search"... indeed:-) - Patrick Chanezon

this must look annoyingly awesome on the iphone, let's look. - iluvgimp

I like that the comments are bubbling up on the front page too - Kevin Marks

and you can search it!!!! - Ed Dale

Hey, even Patrick is here. Woot! - Jérôme Flipo

@Karoli just via the browser (saved it to homescreen)....granted i am on wi-fi, but even real-time seems to work great - Jeffrey Marsh

top secret fuzzy logic - Bwana ☠

it's about discovery as well as search, and the interesting space inbetween - Kevin Marks

nice job guys - Jay

good beta test of the realtime interface - Bwana ☠

haha, tired of hearing about Scoble's car problem. - Thomas Hawk

and it was useful - Bwana ☠

Ok, i think i need to be part of this too! - Damien Benoit

hello ... joining in! :) - Garys Wine

Go for simplicity, FriendFeed - Mitch

How long until filters are real time?? - Ken Sheppardson

Click hide, done, no more car problem - Tony, Paradox of FF

I echo Ken's question - Bwana ☠

the nice thing about friendfeed is that if you get tired of something bubbling you can just hide it. - Thomas Hawk

Scoble's car brand should advertise on this thread :D - Jérôme Flipo

Somebody ask paul when Filters will go real time? - Ken Sheppardson

I also echo Ken's question - Adnan

Thomas - It would be nice to "anchor" it down without completely hiding it though. - Mitch

Albert Willis it is the gamechanger. It may take people time to figure it out, but Twitter took 3 years to jump the shark, so... - Karoli

@Paul: when Filters will go real time? - Jérôme Flipo

Chris, backward filters on home feed: exclude certain feeds from appearing on home feed - Karoli

@Chris: maybe "make this filter your homepage" would do it. - Jérôme Flipo

Pluggable algorithms for filtering/bubbling up would be interesting too. - Patrick Chanezon

should latest post be up top? date and time added? - Garys Wine

Holy update! - Dave VanderWall

I got some kewl filters brewing - Bwana ☠

would be nice to have some draggability to speed friend list making - Amyloo

take any Hobby -feed all the best feeds into it - one stop shot - Ed Dale

Agreed Amyloo - Mitch

I never really visioned FriendFeed as a place for spontaneous chats before today. - Thomas Hawk

holy crap.. looks good on the iphone.. a dedicated iphone app would be even better - iluvgimp

Everybody should check out AJ Batac's theme at http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac... - Ken Sheppardson

great question. - Bwana ☠

omg... real-time chat engine! - AJ Batac

Thanks Steve - Jérôme Flipo

Man I love filters - Bwana ☠

before the service comes out of beta? - Ken Sheppardson

sweet - Ken Sheppardson

How would one deal with spam commenters in threads like these? - Philipp Lenssen

glad they took their time on this; it's really nice - Amyloo

Thanks Steve! :) - Ahmed

hidden stuff should stay hidden in filters as well. - Thomas Hawk

Filters FTW - Ken Sheppardson

less than a month... and with full keyboard shortcuts! - Jérôme Flipo

You need to promote it to your niches - Thomas to Photographer for example :-) - Ed Dale

I like how a comment thread is also a topic oriented chat room that can be archived and linked to unlike traditional chat room conversations that disappear once you close them. - Rolf Schewe

Philipp: Each person could eal with them individually: block - Ken Sheppardson

darn, I zoned out. Stupid A.D.D. - Bwana ☠

Exactly Rolf!!! - Ed Dale

can this section be expanded in the beta? I liked the old view so I could see stuff I missed - Scott Kingery

600 comments now. - Marc Dong

Everybody can make their own judgement what's spam - Ken Sheppardson

Rolf - Yeah this is a lot more IRC-feeling isn't it. - Mitch

I've had this running as the lead items on my Flickr page all day. I'm trying to promote FF at Flickr and other photography related places as much as I can. Love seeing great photos on FF. - Thomas Hawk

is direct message here a new thing, or just something i never noticed? - Amyloo

this doesnt auto scroll on Mac/Firefox FYI ... i have to keep scrolling to catch up - Garys Wine

nambuu - Phil G

Track = "friends:kshep or term1 or term2 or term3 or" as a filter - Ken Sheppardson

Spam is simple - dont follow everyone - follow people you know - Ed Dale

it's new - Bwana ☠

@Daniel Boehmisch I thought so, others may disagree, but I am going to give it a try over the next few days and see how smooth it runs...but I agree a dedicated app would probably be better - Jeffrey Marsh

@Mitch DALnet2000 ;) - Rolf Schewe

Watching this on post on Twit.tv while watching it on Friendfeed. Yo Dawg... - Eric @ CS Techcast

there's been very little spam in FF. When you do see it it's almost sort of fun. - Thomas Hawk

Well, Ed, but in threads like this you see everybody. Not just the folks you're following. - Ken Sheppardson

Ed, I was talking about specific comments in this thread, which show even when you're not following the person... and I didn't notice any block button when hovering over a name. - Philipp Lenssen

All thats missing is a realtime list of whos all currently viewing this page. - Tony, Paradox of FF

@Bwana are going to make a tutorial on how to use Filters??? - Ahmed

lol 16 new results on "Gillmor Gang" on Twitter since Kevin Fox posted it.... and 200 new comments here. We win. - Bwana ☠

Twhirl client shipping tomorrow: looking foward to see what it does! - Patrick Chanezon

I tell you what, next time I liveblog something, I'm just opening up a FF thread and going to town. - Phil G

oh gotcha! - Ed Dale

No, it's easier! (posting to FF compared to Twitter) - Jérôme Flipo

Ahmed: yeah, producing the video tonight - Bwana ☠

trouble with friendfeed clients is that they refresh when you like or comments which really disrupts friendfeed flow - Ed Dale

Why can't you CC: to Facebook as well? - iluvgimp

@Bwana thanks, can't wait to watch it... - Ahmed

BWana: is your voice/natural language -> filters converter done yet? - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: Prototypes are being brainstormed - Bwana ☠

Thomas, we had tried to experiment with Friendfeed for chat a year ago but the interface wasn't very fit for it then http://friendfeed.com/e... - Philipp Lenssen

heading home to the wife and kids. thanks to all for the chat during the show. this was fun. - Thomas Hawk

Sweeeeet - Ken Sheppardson

heh - Bwana ☠

have a great day Thomas! - Ahmed

thanks thomas - Ed Dale

see ya Thomas - Bwana ☠

@ iluvgimp - Facebook has a Friendfeed addon which basically does the same result. - Tony, Paradox of FF

See you, Thomas - Jérôme Flipo

direct message methods twitter api http://apiwiki.twitter.com/REST+AP... - Patrick Chanezon

Philipp, real time updating is a whole new experience. Later all. - Thomas Hawk

You know, it really would've been better to have this as a room., rather than a thread in the main feed... - Ken Sheppardson

let's try it, what's the syntax? - Amyloo

chattin at http://live.twit.tv - Garys Wine

Welcome Garys Wine - Viran

oh no..almost 2:30 am over here..."Cairo, Egypt time" later guys! - Ahmed

Actually no... direct message is a specific API call - Brian Roy

Or just send a FF to a proxy "Twitter" user you set up for your own accounts on different services - Ken Sheppardson

http://twitter.com/direct_... - Patrick Chanezon

@Ahmed. 2:30 is also Paris time. Zzzzzz - Jérôme Flipo

i love this ff！ - junrxu

hey Viran! :) - Garys Wine

Learn the difference between Append and Prepend ?! - Jay

hmph - ralphsaunders

woah I just refreshed this permalink and now I don't have to scroll down to keep the bottom in view. - Phil G

You can actually use these real time comments as you would watching a chat room. amazing. - Leo Laporte

this realtime chat has done wonders to sell the new friendfeed layout - jcunwired

Yes it is - Bwana ☠

they are cool aren't they leo - ralphsaunders

in firefox - Phil G

thank God for the mighty mouse -- need to keep scrolling!! - Garys Wine

This is the second longest thread on FriendFeed. - Gary Burd

Phil, still nothing here. - Philipp Lenssen

what's the longest gary? - MG Siegler

Can this be saved or do you always have to modify the url? http://beta.friendfeed.com/FFusern... - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Mightly mouse = fail - ralphsaunders

the longest wine? - Garys Wine

Could the beta.friendfeed.com makes the Digg homepage? - Jérôme Flipo

Watching now, am coming in an hour late though. - Brian Tiede

Gilmore - good show on TwiT.tv - TJ Polczyn

Jérôme, we could try :) - Philipp Lenssen

Scrolling to the top to comment everytme is ... annoying. - ralphsaunders

Oops, I take that back. It's #3. You can see the long threads here: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Gary Burd

I don't care for the ff.im links - Phil Maxwell

@ralphsaunders ... mighty mouse is saving my life right now :) - Garys Wine

ralphsaunders: click "Saturday", it's a permalink - iluvgimp

i need to scroll down ... go figure - Garys Wine

ralphsaunders: click on the timestamp ("Saturday") to go to the permalink http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Benjamin Golub

almost? - Bwana ☠

EXACTLY as a chat room :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Whoops bad copy buffer! http://beta.friendfeed.com/stevegi... - Benjamin Golub

They should hire some Google folks. - Ken Sheppardson

And Twitter isn't? :) - Bwana ☠

@Garys Wine Would be quicker with a conventional mouse heh heh :P - ralphsaunders

you mean this isn't a chat room???? - Garys Wine

the permalink is the key - Scott Kingery

permalinked, searchable - Ken Sheppardson

"Will it Scale?" is the new "Will it Blend?" - Trevor Childs

i wish i could text talk! lol - Garys Wine

It's a message board really - Adam Turetzky

pickup basketball game - Amyloo

It's like a turtle..that eats a pigeon - Bwana ☠

The interesting thing of the NEW FF is that it combine IM+Chat+Email+Feeds in one place and we have just started. - Martin Añazco

except I dont like the comment box floating down down down - Scott Kingery

The Swarm == The Hive Mind? - iluvgimp

A linkable archived chatroom. How long it is archived I do not know. - Rolf Schewe

its word tetris! - jcunwired

the whole time i thought this was a "different" chat room LOL - Garys Wine

well, it's behaving like a chatroom - it's lost the overlapping publics model of twitter - Kevin Marks

Leo: You can have a thread like this for every show you do, in your TWiT FF room - Ken Sheppardson

Sweet thanks Benjamin Golub - ralphsaunders

Leo: to a large extent, this is the giant stream of everything you've been talking about RE XMPP - Ken Sheppardson

Bwana - it's turtles all the way down. - Phil G

I can't see!! - Randy Archer

700 comments now. - Marc Dong

dip in is a good strategy Leo! - Garys Wine

BTW, it's an "editable" chat room. That's amazing too. - Jérôme Flipo

Feudal or futile? - Trevor Childs

KShep: ie, "The River" - iluvgimp

@Ken I agree. Why use disposable chat sessions when you can link, search and archive them here? - Rolf Schewe

Leo ... imagine what it would be like with twit on sunday :P - ralphsaunders

@Jérôme Flipo ... oh yeh ..I just edited my post as a test, that's a good point!! - Garys Wine

I love the Gillmor Gang - Wo

I've managed to read everything, but could not parse the voice. will have to listen to recording - Amyloo

Editable chat rooms ... the wave of the future! - Garys Wine

I'm with Andrew Keen on this one. I find this all hard to understand, and therefore tiresome. So there. I want something simple and compelling - Francine Hardaway from IM

yes, we have the swarm/river/whatever... now we need to figure out how to give users the ability to manage scarce attention. - Brian Roy

You can scan friendfeed but how do you scan a discussion thread such as this? - Adnan

Jérôme, you're giving me an idea about animated ASCII art here :) - Philipp Lenssen

will this thin thread just keep digging down until it hits china? - clewellyn

Francine: It can be that if you want it. - Ken Sheppardson

Should there be a preference option for the text to scroll down and put the new comments on top? Would be nice. - iluvgimp

oooooooooooops - missed it - Marc Canter

if i could call a number and speak the text into friendfeed, now that's an app! - Garys Wine

let's go for a Guinness World Record ... let's never stop this chat/feed and keep it going forever ... - Garys Wine

lol - Jay Neff

How do you use the new beta RT feed in firefox sidebar? - Keith Barrett

Netbook with WWAN as a FriendFeed appliance. - Ken Sheppardson

These guys can be really Cranky Geeks... - Charles Alden

iPhone app - TJ Polczyn

A FriendFeed iPhone app or a robust web app that works well on the iPhone browser would be cool. - Rolf Schewe

forever and ever and evaaaar - ralphsaunders

should scroll with most recent posts on top - min

Thanks Leo! - Keith Barrett

how about a very long skinny tablet as ff device - Amyloo

Dial 2 Do might be able to do that, I know you can blog via a phone call using that service - Viran

*just put Steve Gillmor in a "cranky geeks" feed* :D - ralphsaunders

Nice. Real-time mini window update! - Rolf Schewe

I love this... but I want it in the sidebar :) - Keith Barrett

Amyloo: only issue there is, like, typing - Ken Sheppardson

Rolf: Opinions differ but I think the Facebook app shows how successful native apps really are - iluvgimp

userstyles - Bwana ☠

install Greasemonkey - Bwana ☠

I requested that today in the Feedback Room - Rolf Schewe

There already are "skins" e.g. http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac... - Ken Sheppardson

curious if you can edit/delete comments - monkeystick

What Ken said - Bwana ☠

On the iPhone I can't see contending with all these different FF issues - Francine Hardaway

Hey there Leo hows it going - taxi_cab

it must be 666! - Amyloo

I also wish I could search FF for twitter followers/followees to build my cloud - Keith Barrett

How about making it <blink/> instead of dull grey?-) - Patrick Chanezon

"Cleaner Friendfeed" is a *great* add-on. http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajbatac... - Ken Sheppardson

well, theres 1 alternate skin currently - Tony, Paradox of FF

looks like comments just stay permanently - monkeystick

click it - Ken Sheppardson

yay - Ken Sheppardson

I also use Andrios - so feel free! - Keith Barrett

ah there we go, you can edit comments still - monkeystick

I have abandoned trying to import things into Facebook and it's apps. Now I export from Facebook into FriendFeed. - Rolf Schewe

No, it's embeded video that plays automatically, no? - Ken Sheppardson

Okay, wind down the convo so I can go watch Big Bang Theory :) - iluvgimp

Its a .GIF ... 1995 people :p - ralphsaunders

That window issue sounds like it would be tough on the Android - Keith Barrett

Shoot. I have to go to work yet. Is lunch over yet? - Ken Sheppardson

im still using cleaner friendfeed V2 bc the beta cleaner doesnt look much better than the beta ui, aside from what V2 already does. - Tony, Paradox of FF

Perm chat rooms - Keith Barrett

Fun stuff - Ken Sheppardson

great show, good conversation. thanks and bye - Amyloo

hmm im not seeing realtime feeds now - Adam Hubbs

awesome sauce - ralphsaunders

Good show leo - ralphsaunders

yes latest jquery it seems <script src="/static/javascript/jquery-1.3.js?v=bb38" type="text/javascript"></script> - Patrick Chanezon

Leo: You're going to need a dedicated FriendFeed monitor :-) - Ken Sheppardson

GREAT SHOW! - Keith Barrett

Lol! - Garys Wine

Good Job LEO ... Thanks! - Randy Archer

I tried the FF Facebook app. 1. It looks abandoned, and 2. I see Facebook as a subset of my overall social content and FriendFeed as my hub. - Rolf Schewe

"774 more comments". That's huge. - Jérôme Flipo

and i guess the real time stuff must be in http://beta.friendfeed.com/static... - Patrick Chanezon

Great show, nice chat-stream too. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Matt Cutts and Paul were already talking OpenSocial at the demo last Friday - Ken Sheppardson

hmm this is seriously like a chat. - ralphsaunders

Very intertaning show! - Adam Hubbs

Should've asked Paul if he wants to go back to Google. - Ken Sheppardson

On bart now. Someone should submit this post to digg. There are enough people here to get it on the front page - Thomas Hawk

Welcome back Thomas ;) I tried to post to digg using the new diggbar. Failed :( - Jérôme Flipo

Thomas it was mentioned, will check it out - jcunwired

Not chat - dialogue? - Randy Archer

We had similar problems with the last Beta Friendfeed release, Digg says "This link does not appear to be a working link. Please check the URL and try again." Friendfeed might be sending the wrong http header for Digg. - Philipp Lenssen

63283 chars of minified javascript: nice job Bret! - Patrick Chanezon

digg submit didn't work, even with link from friendfeed.com (not beta) - jcunwired

"Twitter is currently down for unscheduled maintenance". We did it, didn't we? - Jérôme Flipo

:P probs - ralphsaunders

still going?? - Garys Wine

So many commets, great! - Tony

I am a Chinese student .I like the new Friendfeed.. 国内的来顶啊。。。 - ybs

keep it going people ... we're not stopping ... what happened to the record we all agreed on?? c'mon, who's with me??? - Garys Wine

FF最长的回复了吧 - 阿石

I think scoble was right, mike arrington isn't aware how quickly things roll in a revolution. - Jan Zimak

Arrington - I am a fan of your honest point of view. (how's that for balancing out the negative?) - clewellyn

Philipp (and others), Digg submission should be working now, so Digg in :) - Paul Buchheit

sweet! thank you :) - Jay Neff

Have watching twitlive.tv and watching lots of comments to this post scroll by but not seeing it on beta.friendfeed.com - John Wood

this thread today was one of the most awesome things I've seen on FriendFeed yet. - Thomas Hawk

still going? - Garys Wine

继续顶，顶到1k - 阿石

At over 800 comments in under 8 hours, this thread has sprouted 100 per hour. Not bad for the best system that no one uses. - Micah Wittman

Mike Arrington is a stupid. - Wo

Hey no one uses friendfeed, right? Where did 800+ comments come from? - Robert Scoble

I'm certainly not using friendfeed. (It's using me.) - Jon Lebkowsky

Robert - exactly! - Susan Beebe

Thanks Paul - Ok I just submitted this to Digg http://digg.com/softwar... Go Digg it up!! - Susan Beebe

Well, this thread kind of proves that the FriendFeed model works. Fairly emphatically. - Jamie

Jamie, yeah, I just listened to the parts that I missed. Arrington is wrong, but it will take some time to prove him so. - Robert Scoble

Apparently I had an easier time finding this thread than Michael Arrington did. - Michael K Pate

what's it? - Do Young Min

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Examples? - Johnny Worthington

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People caught up with other things? The economy, jobs, other ventures, etc.? - Derrick

Friendfeed is what you make it :D - Bec Rowe @d0tski

This seems to be a popular meme lately, what's not as good about it these days? - Ted Roden

This is what I'm doing with it. I don't think it's a bummer. http://friendfeed.com/joshhal... - Josh Haley

Mark Wilson leaving FFundercats was a bummer. - Pete Delucchi

The quality of my FF stream is just as high as ever. - Internet's Tad

OK, true. - Josh Haley

The Twitter / Facebook cyclone has ambushed their opportunity set, how do they get more relevant when their best features are being usurped? A loyal bunch doesn't transcend, yet. - Bob Sonin

Bob... that assumes FF is trying to be a Facebook or Twitter, which is not the case. It takes a long time to be an overnight success. - Johnny Worthington

FF was at its most frenetic through the US elections; that pace could never be sustained. I find that the open and intelligent FF conversation surpasses anything FB or twitter provides. - Mel Buckpitt

I'm not bummed. I agree with @d0tski: "It is what you make it." I think the feeling of malaise that some feel has several reasons: 1) FB and TT are constantly mentioned in the broader media, and are growing like wildfire, while FF doesn't SEEM as hot; 2) A lot of the most prolific contributors have scaled back or dropped off (for many reasons, including possibly posting to the point of burnout) and 3) Spring is coming, and people—who still have jobs and who don't—are spending more time offline. 2 cents - .LAG liked that

...like i said in a similar thread somewhere, i think it's important to not fall in love with online services, they are ephemeral by their nature. think about favorite bulletin boards, forums, chatrooms, MetaFilters, WELLs, UseNet newsgroups that have come and gone in popularity. hopefully, along the way, you'll meet some online voices who you'll interact with on the next new service, but these services, these online communities, they rise, they fall, they unplug, they die and are replaced by the next thing - .LAG liked that

um, I think friendfeed has the best conversations and the most interesting people than any other service - Kyle Weller

Nicholas Kreidberg

Dinner! Anyone care to join me?

March 20 - Comment - Like - Share

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Only you can top Boboli. - Christopher Harley

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Just got back from C & J Palace. Otherwise... - Helen Sventitsky

Stella! - Carlos Ayala

STELLA!! - Mona Nomura from fftogo

Stella indeed! - Nicholas Kreidberg

Beer. Also a character in A Streetcar Named Desire - Helen Sventitsky

Scott: http://www.stellaartois.com/ - Nicholas Kreidberg

Yes, please. - Derrick

I'll stop by if you can promise there would still be some Stella left! - Victoria Plautia

Brandon Titus

French fries - http://likaholix.com/madmojo...

March 20 from Likaholix - Comment - Like - Share

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Amazing junk food. - Brandon Titus from Likaholix

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Oh no you didn't just trot out the french fries... NOM - Yolanda

Hmmmm freedom fries - sofarsoShawn

for some reason I don't like the crinkled ones. - BEX

I so don't need to see this right now. - Derrick

MAN! This water I'm sipping is SO DELICOUS!! So much more tasty than those greasy, salty bits of heavenly goodness! ... ... ... *cries* - Yolanda

One of the perfect foods. I wish I'd patented it. - Sprague D

AJ Batac

Meagan Fox: Hot or Not?

March 19 - Comment - Like - Share

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Meh - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

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apparently she is warm... she left her shirt open - Yolanda

Which one are you talking about? - vijay

In that shirt? NOT - but in most everything else I've seen her in, hot. Call me weird, but there is that slow-mo scene near the end of transformers, where the do a sick zoom in of her face, and you can see that she has clogged pores, acne scars, and hair plucking issues, just like a real girl, and for some reason that made her more attractive to me. Yeah, I'm broken. - Matthew DeVries

Boobies! But that's probably about it. Meh. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

Hot. And just like Jessica Alba, and Angelina it will become over done. You know who else is hot? Natalie Portman, Kiera Knightley etc... but they don't get the same coverage. - Michael

*buys popcorn factory* - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

smoking hot - Mattb4rd

She's a pretty girl who oozes sexiness. The only thing is she has done too much plastic surgery for me to say she is beautiful, but she is hot - Shevonne

She's no Shevonne, Tina or Penguin, but she's not bad. - Steven Perez

I love you Steven Perez! That made my day. =D - Shevonne

Jason, it's her. --> http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2009... - AJ Batac

Steve, I have to red flag you for obvious brown nosing *slips Steven a cookie on the sly* - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Hey, it worked. haha - Shevonne

Hot. - James Ferguson

HOT! - ArmaN ACAR

Hot! - Luke Addison from twhirl

hee hee ... I made Shevonne's day and got a cookie from Tina. My work here is done. :D - Steven Perez

I'll be in my bunk. - Kevin Pedraja

Ummm.... what was the question? I blacked out for a minute. - amarquart

Fuck - Jimbooo™

It's sad that she has to wear an outfit like that to validate her self-worth among men. tsk tsk. - Terence

She has on too much makeup! - jamar78

yeah she's pretty hot - Cee Bee

She can be extremely hot when she wants to be, but lately she's looked a bit torn back. I'm sure she'll pull it together though. - Michael Fidler

I'll sign in on the Not line. - Joe Pierce

neck down, yes, but if I have to pick one answer, no, at least not for me. - Josh Haley

No. Not at all. - Nine

Hot. - .LAG liked that

All I see are boobs - Kelly W.

HOT - Alejandro

HOT!!! - TheBuzzMachine

How is that question even a question? Definitely. Hot. - Chieze Okoye

Hot. - Christian (Simply X)

I hate saying that she's hot, but, fuck man, she's hot. - Mike Nayyar

that's not her. but she's hot. - grant fox

Grant, that's her. - AJ Batac

where are the tattoos? - grant fox

This was taken before the Tatts ;) - AJ Batac

gotcha. it's not a flattering picture of her face, relative to what is out there. - grant fox

If she was topless, yes -

I am alittle to old to comment but it is getting alittle warm in here. - John Flynn

she screams sex, are you kidding me? - Melissa Maskevich

Eh. Not that hot. She's a'ight. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

@Jandy: Agreed. She's attractive but not nearly as hot as the hype would suggest. - Shawn Duffy from twhirl

not that hot? lol - Cee Bee

definitely..!! - Praveen Vasudev

hot for sure. smooothh - Onur Gündüz

nom - sofarsoShawn

That's Megan Fox?! - Mona Nomura

I dunno - she looks kinda wrong there. - Mona Nomura

Hot. Period. - Chris Nixon

Hot. - Joey Gibson

what was the question again? :) - Huseyin Savas

It doesn't scare you her eyes aren't smiling like the rest of her face? - Mona Nomura

The hotness. - Andru Edwards

not. - Jim Hearts FF

Mona, it doesn't scare you if you focus on boobies ^_^ - Onur Gündüz

Mona - She has eyes? - Alan Simpson

Mona, yup that's her (http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2009...) - AJ Batac

With all the makeup and alterations, she's like a woman that has gone through AutoTune. - stretta from twhirl

@AJ, there seems to be a mistake. That can't be her. Because that's definitely not me next to her.... - Chris Brakebill

So sorry Chris! I've always thought that that was you beside her! :P - AJ Batac

Hot for sure. - Mycaptain

Not - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

Not the best all-around photo of her but she's hot. =) - ronin

HHOOOOTTT!!!! - George The Writer

hot, very hot (emre altuğ) :) - Barış ALTUN (Segi Kültür)

that's not a serious question. - Jasmin Smith

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWT!!!!!!! - Michael Forian

Hit it. - ld

HOT AS HELL - nfan12 from Posty

I'm not gonna lie. I'm keep coming back to look. As if I couldn't find something better on the internet... - Chris Brakebill

I like nice breasts, so what's not to like? But I have no idea who she is, actually. - Laura Norvig

She's an actor Laura. I first saw her in Transformers - Mattb4rd

if laura's a fan so am i damnit! - Cee Bee

She made her guy give away his puppy only to get a new one. A world of un-hot. - Frank Jonen

OK, this picture is like a train wreck: although I want to (and should), I just can't look away. - Craig Eddy

why you taking pics of my woman? - Sean Oliver

AJ: It is Megan not Meagan. But I understand your distraction. So what I was writing about hmm... - Ozer Wrzl (EN)

She could make BAFRILLIONS in Dairy Queen ads. - Mattb4rd

Ozer, Megan, Meagan, or Megan Denise Fox. Whatever. She's HAWT! - AJ Batac

Are those BOOBS!?!? They're absolutely TIT-illating: pun intended - sofarsoShawn

Hot. - Internet's Tad

Jason, I've been thinking the same thing. Every time I open friendfeed, there's a smiling megan fox - Chris Brakebill

Whole set: http://www.seyvet.com/foto... :) - Ozer Wrzl (EN)

She hot - Shawn aka ringking

Oh dear Lord, Ozer. WHY did you post that link? :) - Craig Eddy

I have to go with HOT - Herb Hernandez

Additional set (http://www.idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2009...) in case you missed it on the thread! :D - AJ Batac

I think she tries very hard - Patricia

She succeeds - Mattb4rd

+100 ozer. +1 confirmed bra in picture 3 of that link for Jason - Chris Brakebill

She was hotter in these 04 pictures. More youthful, natural. Should've avoided any work. - Mike Nayyar

Hoooot! :P - Ahmet Alp Balkan

Hot! ..and this is 2nd best of the day.. oh.. :p - Pico Seno

چی چی رو نات. تو اصلاً فرق بین نات و هات می دونی - Nasser Hasani

That shirt makes her look a bit cheap. - Bec Rowe @d0tski

She is the one - Joe Dawson

She is gorgeous. I'ma marry that one someday. lol. - Brandon Ball

Wait, she's had surgery? Then, I'm less impressed with her now. :\ Anyone can look hotter with surgery (well, almost anyone). But that pic really doesn't look like her. For one, Megan is skinny as hell--those boobs are much bigger than Fox's are in every other pic I've seen of her. They're still nice, of course. - thepete

Matthew DeVries

32 years old. Just realized that the Pac-10 and the Pacific-10 are the same conference. How long am I on man probation?

March 19 - Comment - Like - Share

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Jason Calacanis

thinking of starting small angel fund like Y-Combinator or what @mcuban is doing ($10-25k investments in microstartups).would host@my office

March 18 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Robert Scoble

@dahowlett There is no better conference in the world to network at than SXSW. It's a must attend. Meeting with Senator/Governor today too.

March 17 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Louis Gray

Ex-Googler Chris Wetherell Launches Secret Santa App - http://www.louisgray.com/live...

December 3, 2008 from louisgray.com - Comment - Like - Share

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awesome idea!! :) Santa approved! - Susan Beebe

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When 20 lines of python or bash just won't satisfy the craving for big web 2.0 buttons... - Bill Strathearn

Oh! I never saw this post. I have *got* to get out more. Thanks, Louis, that was awfully nice. Follow-up: It was a fun, tiny experiment and a few thousand non-spam lists were created. (And to Bill: I tried to get my mom to install python but she's waiting until 3.1 is out of alpha. She's like that.) - Chris Wetherell

too soon! xmas! ack! - Sarah Perez

GigaOm

Should Google Be Added to the Dow? - http://gigaom.com/2009...

March 10 from GigaOM - Comment - Like - Share

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100% - Bob Sonin

Steven Hodson

This is why you use pictures in your blog posts - http://www.winextra.com/index...

March 6 from WinExtra - Comment - Like - Share

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True. A large proportion of my current traffic (and even of remaining traffic on my ancient abandoned blogs) comes from Google Images. - Bora Zivkovic

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My site is about images with some short text below. If it weren't for Google images traffic I would be almost ignored. - Carlos Lorenzo

My site is all pix. =) - ld

@Leather so is my braincell soup blog - well a very large portion of the posts are all pics - Steven Hodson

My library blog is getting hundreds of hits from image searches and the rest of the blog is useless to them and isn't aimed at them, so I actually wish they'd stop distorting my stats. :-( - Deborah Fitchett

Next post: "12,432 visitors in 10 minutes from Scobleizer." - Jon Adair

@Jon .. na .. it would take at least 15 minutes - Steven Hodson

I posted a link to the "research paper vs. internet" image you(and I) have on one of your posts. - Mr. Gunn

Agreed. But be careful what you have pictures on. My number one blog post is because of people searching for pictures of North Korea. I have a picture. People come, use my bandwidth, and bounce away. It takes more than pictures (but they do help). http://blogan.net/blog... - Brent Logan

I agree pictures are important, but dependent on your business model, a decent percentage of the time traffic from Google Image search isn't going to convert well. Not that it really costs you much of anything. - Kevin Mullett

Yes pictures are important as long as they are in context and add value to the post. At http://cruisinaltitude.blogspot.com I add pictures when appropriate and sometimes the entire post are in pictures. - mskonfa

MG Siegler

“Liking,” the hot social trend, continues with Likaholix - http://venturebeat.com/2009...

March 4 from VentureBeat - Comment - Like - Share

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Thanks MG! Great post ;) - Bindu Reddy

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I like Likaholix. I'm a TasteMaker! - Shevonne

You mean like the ratings widgets we've had forever? - Todd Hoff

Todd, yes kinda of based on the ratings widgets we have had forever but we have added personalized recommendations as well - Bindu Reddy

Re: liking on Likaholix — I would call it “asymmetric” rather than “asynchronous” (from the article). - Amit Patel

OK Bindu, I signed up. We'll see what happens. - Todd Hoff

I always read *Lick*-aholix. Makes me laugh. - Bret Taylor

@Bret I was about to type the same thing. NAMEFAIL methinks. - Clay Newton

Ya Bret, I know what you mean... Naming has been a huge problem. We went with Likaholix because people tended to remember that name. We also got the domain "yourlikes" but a lot of people found it too generic. We will see how it goes.. - Bindu Reddy

@Todd, OK let me know if you have feedback. - Bindu Reddy

People always accidentally call us "Friend Finder" which is amusing. I am not sure if we own AdultFriendFeeder.com :) - Bret Taylor

better grab it bret. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Is there a FF import? I see Facebook and Gmail. - Todd Hoff

No not yet... good idea though. We should build both FF and twitter import - Bindu Reddy

Is there no way to change one's name after signup? At least I don't see it under Edit Profile... - ronin

This is one feature I wrote the code for and it didn't make it in today because of a bug. You should be able to do this shortly - Bindu Reddy

Hey Bindu, dislikaholix.com is still available. Grab it before AT&T does. - Richard Chen

I like the dislikes idea. - ana

Thanks MG...checking it out now. Good coverage on FB stuff today! - Brian Solis

I'm checking it out to see how it fits with the rest of what I do :) - Nakeva Corothers

Congratulations Bindu!!!!!!!! YAY!! :) - Susan Beebe

Susan you should sign up... - Bindu Reddy

done already... :) - Susan Beebe

he he... just saw it!! thanks :) - Bindu Reddy

Nice work, Bindu! - Anne Bouey

Shevonne

Curly Hair - Likaholix - http://likaholix.com/dcfemel...

March 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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Curly hair rocks!!!! - Shevonne

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indeed - Amber, Random Time Lord

Hair?...What hair?....OoOOH! - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

@R™...exactly! - .LAG liked that

i'm afraid i have to agree with Rahsheen. - Duane

w00t! - Carmen

and booblets - Michael W. May

Who is that? - Derek Coward from fftogo

Curly hair does rock! - Michelle Martinez

Can't remember her first name, but I'm pretty sure her last name is HAWT - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

the like button just does not do this justice. hot black woman... I melt with you... oh geez... uh uh uh... - Noah David Simon

AJ Batac

Come Back Here, Damnit - http://www.photobasement.com/come-ba...

February 27 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Superman, the formative years. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

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Invizible Cat Iditarod. - AJ Kohn

It's funnier if you imagine that the kid is in full slide chasing the kitteh. - Mike Nayyar

Oh my goodness, so cute! - Meredith

That is hilariously adorable! - Summer

This looks like the baby is sliding forward and going to wipe out this kitten! Cute! - tomit

I love the caption! - nakachi

Awesomeness. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

I shall name this kitteh Steven Perez, and shall damn him for running away. - Josh Haley

+1 AJ Kohn. Iditarod, FTW! - Susan A. Kitchens

Can I like this again? I really like this picture. - Martha

Sure Martha :) - AJ Batac

halp! i is not cheezburger! - Ken Morley

Totally superawesome - j1m

hahaha lol - Jhoy Imperial

Rofl that made my day - nfan12 from Alert Thingy

I Can HAZ play Toiz - johnpiercy

so cute the cat,so lovely the baby~ - 阿石

CW™

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CARMEN! http://friendfeed.com/boxercab

February 24 - Comment - Like - Share

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Carmen, Happy Birthday!!!!! Sending you wishes on the right day..or was it yesterday? ;) - Shevonne

Thank you CW! :) hahahah Shevonne! - Carmen

Dawn

The Internet’s Destiny: Five Truths - http://dawnsplan.wordpress.com/2009...

February 23 from Dawn's Plan - Comment - Like - Share

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Robert Scoble

Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list. They sure were not more popular than @leolaporte two weeks ago.

February 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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Leolaporte deserves to be on the list -- he had twice as many followers as @Techcrunch did a week ago. Twitter's list is corrupt. - Robert Scoble

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Interesting suggestion but hard to prove or disprove. - Liz

I'm out of the loop. Where is the list? - Will Johnston

How about prove that they did? - Omar Gallaga

Will: you go to friends/suggested friends on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

wow's he's totally left you for dead, he's a smartie that arrington - Bob Sonin

Omar: that is easy. Twitter has no criteria for getting on this list and mostly added big brands onto the list. - Robert Scoble

Why $10,000? Are you just making up a figure or are you privy to some information? (As an aside, I see Brooke Burke on the list with 62,000+ followers. Wow, when did THAT happen?) - Omar Gallaga

Bob: I will have the final revenge. In a year all the influentials will be on friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Yeah, I'm liking this, on the 'guilty until proven innocent' premise that Techcrunch seem comfortable in applying to all and sundry, including FB and Last FM within just the last week.. - Andy Connell

Scoble, interesting assertion, but... I must ask: who the f*ck cares? :) - l0ckergn0me

I'm on the list, and I certainly don't have $10,000 to give anyone. Do you think I somehow bribed them, Robert? Hmm? - Veronica

l0ckergn0me - I echo that sentiment completely. - Mitch

who cares?? i'd rather follow that interest me. not how many followers they have.. - Terry O'Fee

Couldn't this also be taken as a statement on the morals of TechCrunch? - MarkCarras

guilty until proven innocent? - Mark Collier

I just noticed Robert's not on the list. Oh my God, I think I just figured it all out! - Omar Gallaga

Robert, if you're so big on meritocracy, why have you, or the friendfeed founders driven by my ff posts without a 'like' or 1,000 retweets by now? You follow me. I've tweeted big news or quality stuff, and watch the "A-List" wait to see it from another "A-lister" before they'll retweet. Power liking some small fries mixed in with friends just so you can point to your proof is bs. Why hammer Twitter for the 1,000th time? - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

so now we know Twitter's monetization strategy - practicehacker

Way to spread FUD. - Veronica

way to spread BS :P - Terry O'Fee

Mark - yeah, gupi.. too complicated? - Andy Connell

Hmm, never checked the list before. Wonder if new users use it a lot, or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't. - Will Johnston

Ed: just today I Twitteted several people with fewer than 50 followers. - Robert Scoble

Veronica: prove it is FUD. THAT is why this feature is corrupt. - Robert Scoble

REALITY CHECK, ROBERT: NOBODY CARES. :) - l0ckergn0me

Please... prove it's true. Is this just TC you're accusing, or everyone on the list? - Veronica

Robert, you made the accusation. I think it's on you to prove there's something to your finger pointing beyond just... you know... your finger. - Omar Gallaga

Veronica: I am not on the list. Neither is @leolaporte. We both had more followers than you did (and more than many on the list). Now I am wondering. - Robert Scoble

@techcrunch and @veronica don't appear on my suggestedfriends list so is it a random list then? - Iain

l0ckergn0me - Reality check .. YOU don't care... - Andy Connell

Veronica - let's forget about Robert's question - being on that list provides more eyeballs and more pageviews for those on the list. for those of you on the list using twitter as a marketing platform (i.e. all of the list) - it provides more traffic and you know what that equals. - Allen Stern

Note too Veronica that I did NOT say you paid. It is just that the criteria for getting on the list is corrupt. - Robert Scoble

HAH! This is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Are you really just that bored this afternoon to accuse people of spending money to be on a suggested users list? #1 As Chris says, who the frak cares. #2 Do you honestly think someone like me or iJustine have that kind of money? #3 Wow, man, I thought we were cool. - Veronica

I've made several "who to follow on Twitter" lists for the publication I work for and it's never just about who has the most number of followers. Maybe they just find the people on their list more interesting/appealing to newbies, from their point of view. Why do you assume the criteria is only "most followers? - Omar Gallaga

Allen, I understand that. But the fact of the matter remains that I (I cannot speak for anyone else) never asked to be on the list, nor did I ever pay anyone to be there. - Veronica

Veronica: I did not accuse Techcrunch of paying either. Read my question VERY carefully. I did accuse Twitter of making a feature that looks corrupt. - Robert Scoble

Robert... Do you have any proof that this occurs? Is there any accounts of this occurring in the past (anecdotal or stated). I'm don't know either way but asking people to prove a something didn't happen without an established cause of suspicion is intimidation and, frankly, wrong. - Johnny Worthington

use a twitter client bypass the suggested list. twitter don't own u :) u decided who to follow. the end - Jay Martinez from twhirl

If you are not accusing us of paying, then how are the criteria "corrupt?" - Veronica

Veronica: the fact that Twitter is picking its stars with subjective criteria is corrupt. - Robert Scoble

thanks veronica - yea my point is the marketing and "top of mind" that being on that list gives you special folks - i am not discussing the money point, robert is. - Allen Stern

Robert -- aren't you the one always laughing it off when people unfollow you and saying that the number of followers you have isn't as important as the number of people commenting on Friendfeed? Now you're saying that if Twitter bases this list on anything other than number of followers it's corrupt? Or is your initial question in some third language I can't parse? - Omar Gallaga

Veronica: prove you did not pay. You can not. The feature is corrupt. I can prove I did not pay to get on top of friendfeed. You can no longer prove that on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Um, Robert... they onus is on you to prove they did... sorry. - Johnny Worthington

And what if they decide to rotate the list? If you're not still on there, will you continue to throw around accusations? Sounds like sour grapes, and you're better than that. - Veronica

Omar: yes. Who follows you does not matter. But that does not change fact that this feature corrupts the integrity of Twitter. - Robert Scoble

I agree with Johnny. C'mon, Robert! Show us some of that investigative blogging! Prove that TC (or I, for that matter) paid to be on there. Would you like me to send you my banking statements? - Veronica

Omar: it is corrupt because you can no longer trust Twitters' follower numbers. The people who are most popular on Twitter did not earn their position through objective criteria. That is corrupt. - Robert Scoble

I asked if you think a feature like this should be based solely on number of followers. Is that the only criteria you think is fair for making suggestions on who to follow? - Omar Gallaga

Veronica: you did not earn a position higher than @leolaporte. So why are you defending this feature? - Robert Scoble

Omar: it should be based on objective criteria everyone can figure out so no questions of propriety will stick. - Robert Scoble

Allen is on point with his comments. Being on the list does equal more $. Regardless of how folks got on it. But again this list does show that who you "know" is critical in the social web. - Kipp Bodnar

Perhaps, Robert, it is not a position to defend? Does Veronica use Twitter as a revenue tool? If not, this is moot. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I think you should enter some criteria to generate the suggested user list (likes etc) - Iain

What criteria besides number of followers? That's the only one you've brought up. - Omar Gallaga

Robert the influentials won't be on FF, it's just an aggregator, the influentials will have their own quality medium with distribution - Bob Sonin

I do not know why Veronica is on the list and not @leolaporte so now I am wondering what is going on and no one can prove money and gifts did not get exchanged. - Robert Scoble

I'm not defending a feature. I'm defending myself from being accused of paying a company to feature me. - Veronica

Robert, you're a bank robber. Prove to me that you aren't. See how dumb that sounds? - Veronica

I heard he stole $10,000. - Omar Gallaga

That is easy: I have not received a gift from a bank I did not earn. - Robert Scoble

In that case Robert, you are traveling the path of Joseph McCarthy. Rather than presenting evidence of corruption, you are throwing around accusations and telling those you accuse to prove you wrong. - Johnny Worthington

Prove it. - Veronica

Johnny: people are getting gifts from Twitter they DID NOT earn with subjective criteria. Why? - Robert Scoble

@Scoble your headline is linkbait - but your point is valid - the recommender is crap. They should buy @mrtweet - Chris Saad

I think Robert is making weak arguments, but his base point is sound--if there is an algorithm that is making those picks, then it's not very transparent. If the list is editorial, it would be nice to at least know who has made the picks. - Eric Florenzano

Tell us what you think the criteria should be, Robert. Other than "being Robert Scoble." - Veronica

@ev posted that they just picked some names. It's not really that big of a deal. - Christian Burns

Veronica YOU received a gift from a corporation you DID NOT earn. I did not receive such a gift. This feature is corruptible. - Robert Scoble

Great question Robert... maybe you should lead with that rather than dropping corruption accusations. I actually think there may be some underhanded work in a few selected cases but unless I have evidence, I'll ask questions first, set up witch hunts later... - Johnny Worthington

Why didn't I earn it? Also, it's not a "gift," it's a recommendation. - Veronica

I say the feature is done by hand and the appearance of impropriety is nothing more than lack of research by an intern. - MarkCarras

@Veronica Robert is not suggesting he should be on the list. He has always actively worked to flatten these tools, not do land grabs which he could easily do. Suggesting that's what he is saying is not very productive. - Chris Saad

Chris, it's hard not to take personal affront to this bad logic. - Veronica

@Veronica, as I said his initial tweet is linkbait - it's clearly an exaggeration - but his underlying point is valid. - Chris Saad

Johnny: note that I did NOT accuse anyone of anything. PLEASE read carefully! I just am pointing out that some people are receiving gifts without earning them. This is why Fast Company forbids me from accepting gifts. So MY integrity does not get called into question. - Robert Scoble

@techcrunch prove to us that you are not plotting to take over the world while you pretend to drop out and take pictures of tropical beaches. I bet you aren't even going to answer me. - Christian Burns

In that case, I'd like my gifts BACK - Chris Saad

If someone added up all the pro ff posts, anti-twitter posts, link direction, they'd assume Robert was into the FF funding. - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

This is absurd. What gift, in tangible terms, is being given? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Chris -- in a separate post Robert said " two weeks ago I was more popular than Techcrunch and @leolaporte was a lot more popular than me. Today Techcrunch is way more popular than either of us" -- that's flattening the tools? - Omar Gallaga

Robert, your inflammatory remarks and accusations (and they are that, no matter how many times you tell us to READ CAREFULLY) come off as really childish and insulting. If you have an issue with a feature of Twitter, there are better ways of pointing it out than accusing people who considered you acquaintances, if not pals. - Veronica

I just can't believe I am not on the list! I sent @biz 5 bucks too. WTF? - Beebo Wallace

Veronica: you did receive a gift. Advertising is sold by 1,000 viewers. Ask Ryan how much 1,000 people are worth. You did NOT earn that gift by any objective measure. - Robert Scoble

Must have some troubles with the American to Australian translation but without this thread for explanation, it sounds like you wondering out loud if Techcrunch paid biz to get on the list... - Johnny Worthington

@Omar ok well that's an even lamer way of expressing the point haha - Chris Saad

Beebo: obviously $5 wasn't enough. - Robert Scoble

It's well-known you can't "prove a negative". Or make logic with such as "clearly, pigs fly, because we have a black president" - more to the point, that list stinks, and bad -- McCain and Tony Robbins are on my list, and a bunch of corporations. - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Robert, you keep avoiding the question of what you think Twitter's objective measures should have been if not just number of followers. What do you think they should have been? - Omar Gallaga

I've been saying for years that recommendations should be based on interest overlaps, still, no one listens. www.socialwhois.com - Chris Saad

@scoble just admit you are asking Twitter to implement APML Profiling and Matching and let these people chill out - Chris Saad

Insulting people is a great way to get a point across. - Veronica

I think it is definitely a gift. You are gaining followers who are in turn being effected by your content. They aren't mailing it to you with a bow on it as in a physical gift, but they are making it much easier for you to generate revenue or web influence power. - AJK

Robert, there is no such thing as CPM for Twitter because followers -- and recommended user spots -- are not bought and sold. Period. You think they are? Prove it. - Ryan Block

Who gives a frak? Honestly. Accusing @techcrunch of paying $10,000 is stupid. How do we know he DID? Did Twitter contact you and say "the only way you can be on the list is if you pay $10,000?" And all the bagging on Veronica isn't necessary. It's a stupid list. GET OVER IT. - Zach Flauaus

Veronica: it is interesting that you feel accused. This feature sucks. Some day you will see why. - Robert Scoble

I feel accused because you accused me, and everyone else on this list. Not indirectly, directly. Oh, someday I will see why? When I'm not longer ON the list? Actually, Robert, that will be fine with me because I won't care. Because I haven't invested in BEING on the list. - Veronica

Zach: I did NOT accuse anyone of paying. I am accusing Twitter of designing a corruptible list. Friendfeed's list is defendable. This one is not. - Robert Scoble

Scoble obviously "deserves" some sort of recognition. If he doesn't get it, others must be paying. Right? - coldbrew

Read about this and other social media revelations in Robert's next e-book, "Scobleized: Destroying Relationships, Throwing Out Baseless Accusations and Talking Down To Peers." - Omar Gallaga

@Everyone who is saying the discussion is pointless just doesn't get it. These things are worth $. They seriously affect the way twitter works and who gets attention. Attention = $. Social tools are about finding niche audiences. If Twitter is biasing towards celebrities or given individuals (for whatever reason) it changes the medium and the message. Stop pretending that these things don't matter. - Chris Saad

@Omar - LOL. - Veronica

Robert... do you think that Techcrunch did pay biz $10,000 to get on the Twitter's suggested friend list? - Johnny Worthington

This whole discussion is rather petty and absurd. - coldbrew

@Johnny *sigh* he was making a point by giving a clearly exaggerated and baseless example. Our inability to prove it either way IS THE POINT - Chris Saad

has anyone tried to find out how the suggested friends algorithm atually works or are we assuming its a manually generated list cos they haven't said much about the suggested friends feature? - Iain

Perhaps the problem is that Robert should just say what he means. Also, still waiting for that objective criteria. Waiting... waiting... - Omar Gallaga

Veronica: well since there is no objective criteria for being on the list and since being on the list is a gift of tens of thousands of in earned followers and since you don't care anyway why don't you tell Twitter to make the list based on objective criteria and pull yourself off of that list until it is? That is what I would do (friendfeed fixed its list after that kind of pressure). Not to mention I can not accept unearned gifts anyway. - Robert Scoble

Chris.. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want my name used in this way. My issue is not with the point Robert is trying to make, it is the way he is going about it... - Johnny Worthington

Scoble: "Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list." That's not accusing @techcrunch paid $10,000 to Twitter? Twitter designed that list for who they (read: employees) think people should follow. Perhaps it was money, but I highly doubt it. - Zach Flauaus

How has your follow rate increased since being on the list? My assumption would be that it has increased significantly since being on the list. - AJK

Yeah, this is like a high school kid whining about his brother having all the friends, and mindlessly laying blame. - coldbrew

@Scoble accusing @techcrunch is not making things personal. @techcrunch is a big boy and Arrington and Scoble are friends. It was clearly a statement to reveal ambiguity in the process - @Veronica no need to read any more into it than face value. - Chris Saad

Haven't logged into Friendfeed for a long time, but this is rather insulting, Robert. You're seeing dollar signs and personal gains in # of twitter followers? - Derek Reiff

@coldbrew I think everything is reminiscent of high school... I'm in the damn place. lol - Zach Flauaus

Johnny: no I do not think Techcrunch or Veronica paid to get on this list but there ARE brands on there. Did they pay? I have no idea. But this feature is as corruptible as shelf space at Fry's. - Robert Scoble

Robert -- you're saying that you would have asked to be removed from such a list had you been included? What if you and Leo were both on it, but this phantom "objective criteria" you keep mentioning was not transparent? - Omar Gallaga

One man's corruptible is another man's monetizable. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Definitely Chris! Recommendation algorithms MUST be based on something else than "popularity". We've discussed this, you and me, often, and I still believe that these algos could be 100 times smarter using "personal relevancy" — I'm sure you still share this opinion with me :) I hope I'll be able to provide a proof-of-concept thingy (yes, the one you've seen) still experimental but surely optmizable. - directeur

Omar: yes. I would be forced to remove myself from thiis list if added. - Robert Scoble

Robert: To me it looks like a list of people who aren't going to overwhelm new users and people that are going to be interesting. The reason your not on the list is because you would flood a new user and might make them want to leave the service. And all Leo does is promote TWiT and doesn't really present much value to the newer users except to lead them to his show. Honestly Scoble there is nothing corrupt about this. This list wasn't designed for us anyways, it's for new users, just let it go. - Jimminy

I'm checking out of this conversation now :) - Chris Saad

Robert, that's cool, but again without the context of your friendship with Mr Arrington and this thread for explanation, .normal' people will think that the list is corrupt and, by extension, cast dispersions on the name of the people on it (which I think is a part of Veronica's issue). While your point may be valid about the integrity of the list, please be advised that your words will have an effect on those not on the inside of social media. - Johnny Worthington

I am not allowed to accept gifts worth more than $100 and being on a list decided on subjectively is a no no for journalists. Especially those at Fast Company. - Robert Scoble

@directeur - is it popularity, an algorithm, or just a random sampling of people the folks at Twitter have heard of? it doesn't seem to be randomized whatsoever. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Robert. you have more than enough people following now. Why does this bother you so much? it's rather sad. - Terry O'Fee

Good point James. I never thought of those reasons for the picks. I think Robert posts stuff of great value most of the time, but the point is still very much on target. - MarkCarras

Terry: the integrity of the tools I use for my living concerns me a lot. - Robert Scoble

Robert -- did you ask to be removed from this Forbes Web Celeb list? Seems like that was quite a gift: http://www.forbes.com/2007... - Omar Gallaga

Mark, sure, it definitely is not random! It can't be random and show the same faces all over the web (friendfeed, twitter..) You've described very well "popularity". But the fact is, that me "directeur" (a given user) would really like to see people who'll share my interests, this is imho the next step in socialmedia: connecting people "smartly", and providing content for users smartly too! and this could really be done (I've crafted 3 modest proofs of concept) using notions like APML. This is really DOABLE - directeur

his ego would be mended! :P - Terry O'Fee

I have no stake in whether Tech Crunch did or didn't pay someone to get @biz on the suggested list on Twitter, I do however believe that the twitter suggested list it self encourages herd following , and that those who have a massive jump in following over a short period, have a very shallow following, while those who acquire their followers over time have a much deeper following - Kim Landwehr

I understand Scoble's point. His post is misleading and deliberately provocative, but the underlying point is fair: "Twitter's suggested friend list generates lots of followers for those who are on it." Decoding his original post: "1. Two weeks ago, @techcrunch was less popular than @leolaporte. 2. Then @techcrunch ended up on the suggested friend list. 3. Now @techcrunch is more... more... - Stephen Mack

The fact that we're having this discussion is just sad. Just one blogger's opinion, though. - Ben Parr

Mark: I totally agree that Robert posts stuff of great value but he can throw controversial ideas out that he can't back up sometimes, case in point. The main reason that I don't see him on the list isn't quality but moreover the quantity of his tweets. I wouldn't want to be on the list either just out of respect to new users. - Jimminy

Well, directeur, your model is incorrect unless it places Scoble at the top of everything. If it does not, you're taking a pay off :-) - coldbrew

ben - i agree. instead of using this for what its meant for, people cry that they dont get on the top of the list. it's hillarious.. - Terry O'Fee

coldbrew :) No, Robert will be just like you in this system. BUT, there's something else and I've had the pleasure to discuss it with a very smart guy: AUTHORITY. This is NOT popularity, it's smarter (should be - because the current used definition in socialmedia is wrong) more specialized and could be done too (collaboration planned with that smart guy) - directeur

directeur: The issue is that they can't predict who someone would like. We're talking about something that none of us should be using. It's an introductory tool not something you use once you have developed your network. It's impossible to create a recommendation that works using a non existent data-set. The only way they could modify it is if they ask the user some questions about themselves during registration, that's not user friendly. Would you like to be trown a bunch of questions when you sign up? - Jimminy

James, very smart question, and yes it's doable. The content submitted by a user, the content a user likes, comments on, retweets is a very rich dataset that could be used to establish an APML profile. - directeur

thank you, jason. probably one of the smartest comments ive seen on this useless conversation... - Terry O'Fee

Robert, would you be in the same position on this if you were on the list? Or would you promote the list and the fact that you made the cut? - Debi Jones

i wonder if he would of posted it on his website too... - Terry O'Fee

Firstly, can you prove they did? - sofarsoShawn

directeur: You didn't get me though, it's for new users they have no data, they haven't retweeted, followed anyone, hasn't liked or commented on anything yet. And the majority of people aren't going to have an APML. Therefore trying to pick people off of this nullset is impossible. Honestly if I want to follow someone on twitter I'll ask my current followers for suggestions. Starting out Tabula Rasa on a new service though it's not possible. - Jimminy

Looks like we have a good old fashioned weekend BitchMeme going on here. - Mike Doeff

what bugs me is it's impossible to find people/friends/followers with interests and careers outside of tech. I've been trying since October to get a good list of science posters, and I have a grand total of 1. Kiki Sanford, and she never retweets, so I can't poach people from her. - Matthew DeVries

I don't follow @scobleizer because he's a twooshbag. But I did learn that @brookburke twitters, so I'll be following her. - kchu

terribly done yes. Paid no. Twitter should just buy MrTweet or one of the location based twitter recommendation services so it would provide people close to the new people or related interests instead of throwing random bigwigs who don't respond, not related to their interests. - BCK

Wow I can't believe you are getting so bent out of shape about this "corrupted feature" Scoble. I respect what you do but I had to stop following you because it was just too much and became annoying after a while. But seriously, who cares? Why is being followed considered a "gift?" And why would you tell them to take you off this list if you were recommended? That's just stupid. Being followed is like me walking up to you and saying, "Hey I read your blog." Is it not? I can't believe you reacted this way. - Eric Bland

hmm.. look at it the other way: some new users are joining twitter and the twitter team is simply trying to improve the experience of those users so they put together *a* set of profiles to help. This is how it works in startups. Over time, they will improve that feature so that it is more transparent, targeted, effective but you have to start somewhere. I do not think that twitter is trying to bribe anyone: they are way beyond the point of needing to do that. Too provocative Robert! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Honestly, I would never recommend @scobleizer, or any frequent twitterer, to a n00b twitter user because he would scare them away. Scoble is for hard-core users. - kchu

The burden of proof lies with the party making the claim, as this is obviously not a case of prima facie. And even if it were true, who the hell cares? This is fascinatingly idiotic. - Mouse

This entire thread reads like petty, petty bickering, mostly on the part of Robert. It's this kind of narrow minded, stubborn soap boxing that gives blogging in all its variants a bad name. I imagine what really happened is a few folks at Twitter saw some fun twitter peeps with a high profile name and a nice signal/noise ratio and decided to throw them on a list without much second thought and then moved on to more important business of the day. - Joost Schuur

One thing I take away from this is that true journalism will never be dead. Robert saw something intriguing, something that didn't add up, something suspicious. In the Edward R. Murrow days, someone would have methodically, slowly, and doggedly chased the story, built the story and told the story. Bloggers however, have a whim and fire off a post. Yeah, it will precipitate the truth, as twitter is forced under the pressure of 100,000 voices to come clean or explain the algorithm, but I guess..... - Matthew DeVries

.....I just find Murrow's way to be more elegant - Matthew DeVries

OM NOM NOM ... hmmm these grapes are very sour today... - Terry O'Fee

Robert Scoble is playing the Bullshit card on TC! I see a war coming... -

The only thing to be answered by this unanswerable question is: you get tons of followers by being on Twitter's suggested friends list. - sofarsoShawn

Hell, I can't even prove that *I* didn't pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list. - Glen Campbell

I was on that list (@cinevegas) and did not pay to be on it. Somebody actually alerted me that I was since I didn't even know. - Roger @ CineVegas

Also this feature is a month old, why now are you attacking it? - Roger @ CineVegas

Lord all mighty. All of you don't get it do you? Twitter is about community, conversation, relationships. You are all to narcosistic to see that. Quit arguing like children. Just Twitter or shut up. Ge'ez! Act like an adult already. - Norbert Davis

What if it's just who Twitter happens to want you to follow? Was it corruption when the video store workers would all post their weekly pics? Was "Steve" on the take because he pick 5 Warner Brother's films? They should tell how that list is compiled, but you don't defame to force candor. This isn't fucking Nam, there are rules. - Matthew DeVries

The fact that this conversation happened on FriendFeed was not lost on me. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

it screws with the integrity of everything on twitter. in every way. i have 18K followers, but am not on the list. maybe i got all those followers in some side-deal with twitter that wasn't disclosed? or one day i lose 10K followers and my competitor gains 98K. is it because @biz was given some stock? or they didn't like something i said? it could all be totally innocent but it still taints everything. - Dave Winer

#followfriday = Communism - Andrew Smith

The thing is that the Twitter Suggested List is simply corrupt because there isn't an actual method behind it. - Tyler (Chacha)

Robert is simply saying the the list isn't based on popularity. - Tyler (Chacha)

I think that is a valid statement (I think I've ended the comments.... boo) - Tyler (Chacha)

ITS A CONSPIRACY I TELL YA! THE WORLD IS OUT TO GET US! - Tyler (Chacha)

Twitter needed to pick some suggested names that would be most likely to get a beginning tweeter to continue tweeting. If Twitter decides that Hammer is the way to get people to continue using the service, that's Twitter's prerogative. - Ontario Emperor

As long as it's obvious and transparent that this primer list completely due to some person or some committee's fancy with no metric whatsoever, then Twitter is doing nothing wrong. Have they admitted this? It should be apparent on the page itself. - Matthew DeVries

It's brilliant way for twitter to expand it's user base from tech geeks to the larger populace overall. - sofarsoShawn

It is quite reasonable for companies to make subjective recommendations to their customers. The Apple iTunes store, for example, provides several very subjective music, video, and app recommendations on its front page. Robert's employer just recently published a very subjective list of fifty companies that they thought its readers would find interesting. Time magazine compiled a list of 100 people they found interesting in 2008. Wait, wasn't Michael Arrington on that list? - Steve Wilhelm

Robert's argument are weak at best, founded on the assumption that Twitter's "suggest" feature should only be based on a user's # of followers. While it would be nice to know how they choose who makes it on the list, I honestly don't think Twitter has to disclose it. This is a parallel to Flickr's "interestingness" meter, which decides who make it onto their "Explore" page. The fact they don't tell you exactly how the photos are chosen, doesn't mean that it's corrupt. - Trevin

Prove to me that Robert Scoble is not an idiot. - ld

Coming to this late, but just want to thank Chris Saad for laying out the objection to an arbitrary list of recommendations in clear and sane fashion. (As opposed to inflammatory fashion, which resulted in all this hot air.) Saad's right: attention = $. - Ian Wilker

None of this will matter when celebrities and sports figures get on Twitter, and Twitter really goes mainstream. Scoble's 63K and Laporte's 90K will be dwarfed. Reality check: Twitter is much bigger than Scoble. - Mohamed J

@Mohamed J I would much rather have scoble who is real on Twitter than some PR person for a celebrity. - Michael McGimpsey from twhirl

MichaelMG: I haven't seen the suggested users list but @TechCrunch, @aplusk, @the_real_shaq, @mchammer are not run by a PR employee. Plus, Scoble is too noisy for the Twitter newbie (who is most likely not a tech head). - Mohamed J

Leather ♥ Donut - ftw. - kchu

A few questions: 1. Does 'suggested friends' imply impartiality? To me 'suggested' or 'recommended' connotes a subjective opinion while 'popular' or 'top' implies a strict numbers-based ranking. 2. If a service's 'recommended friends' list is created by number of followers and is in itself the most effective way to get more followers, then how can this help but be a feedback loop? How... more... - Kevin Fox

Put a different way: Why do we assume that Twitter should only recommend the most popular people? - Kevin Fox

Isn't this more about one person wanting a different set of criteria for 'eminence' in a list vs a set of criteria decided by another person(s)? Sounds like you should make your own list to your criteria; folk love lists and someone is bound to look at it. Their list, their criteria ... your list, your criteria. - Colin Wheeler

Even when you are on holiday you are causing trouble Mike - Chris Saad

just seems to me that twitter made a selection of accounts that might be of interest to a new user, trying to cover a wide range. Perhaps their criteria are not as ominous as you make it, perhaps they looked at a stream that someone new could feel would be accessible to newbies? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Pay @biz :) - Josh Lam

@michael arrington HAHAHA!!!!! While I agree with scoble's premise that the list is fundamentally flawed. I do think this whole conversation is very very funny!!! Now has twitter responded with how they are making the list? -

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