i have lost so many memories online: my first blog from 96-97 i built on aol homepages with all the pregnancy and baby pics of my first son. my second blog on journalspace - 6years of writing, photos, music and art i had created, friendships. countless amounts of thoughts, words, photos, and who know's what else posted on sites i can't even remember anymore. so i think about it a lot...
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- Jodi Church
Jodi: I have a fatalistic attitude toward it. I'll be dead someday and just won't care. But my kids will care about their own photos or memories the way I care about memories of my parents and such. It's interesting how in the 1980s I still have my college newspapers that I wrote but I didn't save any of my writings on AOL or Prodigy.
- Robert Scoble
be sure to backup all those digital photos, movies, soundbites, etc of the kids. save them on external harddrives. i carried mine with me from germany, because i want them for my kids as well. make hardcopies of the stuff you love the most and put them somewhere safe. i just don't think we can rely on websites still being around. especially knowing how everything is moving towards...
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- Jodi Church
Jodi: yup, I have to print out more photos of my kids. Good reminder to spend some money doing that.
- Robert Scoble
I've been really happy with the quality and pricing of bay photo out of santa cruz
- David Thomas
This is why I like SmugMug - I upload the RAW images via Amazon S3. My images are all visible via the SmugMug service, but will always have a hard copy on a hard drive elsewhere if SmugMug ever goes away. It would take both SmugMug and Amazon going away for me to lose those. Great article though - it's a major concern.
- Jesse Stay
This is a major issue, as I am sure you know, Robert. The digital world faces the same issues as, for example, the film world faces and at a much faster pace. The sectors who are among the most concerned about it include: museums, libraries and archives. I managed a project in that sector, for a short time last year, and this was a significant issue. One of the commonly used labels for...
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- John W Lewis
I am not too concerned about my own stuff - I have local versions of most that matters, i stay away from proprietary formats (learned the hard way 10 years ago, with valuable things lost in formats i cant access), and the rest is just let go - and frankly it was no different in the "real" world, most notes, conversations and a lot of the pictures did not make it to the next generation....
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
surely your photos are not only on flickr and your children will have access to them from your own home systems should something happen to you - same for password and access information for anything really "valuable" (i.e. memories, photos) that wouldnt be covered by the normal legacy process (I am assuming here if your website / blog is also your business you have put things in place for these since they are assets)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
there is nothing you can hold for very long
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I like how Eckhart Tolle tells the story of visiting to an old fort with his family and reading a sign there that simply stated "ALL STRUCTURES ARE UNSTABLE" his insight to that was that he found that signpost to indeed be a "Sacred Sutra". This it in part has inspired me to found my new company VitalLock. VitalLock takes a utility approach to the problem by providing an Adobe...
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- Bob Stewart
One of the interesting things is that we can't really future proof this because we don't know what technologies will be used in 10 years. So a thumb drive, a hard drive, any sort of hard copy we keep must also be updated and at some point isn't it the memories? If it's important we'll do something like actually print a picture, rudimentary I know. Maybe we'll go back to the scrapbook...
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- Sheryl
Isn't that what cloud storage should do for us? Then we wouldn't have to worry about the format. That would be up to the provider to guarantee. Is anyone doing this well yet? I've talked with several companies about this over the years, but nothing has succeeded that I know of.
- Leigh Marriner
...and what about all the corporate data, civic/government data, and medical data that's going to get lost in these cloud computing schemes, and all of the communications and digital artifacts you'll lose investing them into services like FaceBook, and, well, FriendFeed... just sayin'...
- .LAG liked that
You don't "invest" in those systems - you do things for here and now, because they bring you value here and now. They're not an investment for the future, never will be, especially any site that is free owes you and me nothing, and promises us nothing. (Note: I pay for email at a place where theT&Cs give me guarantees, for that kind of reason). PS: I started keeping quick copies of good...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Joelle: fair enough, and it sounds like you have a fairly organized and strategic approach to preserving digital artifacts that you find important. I'd argue that most people just dive in, uploading, sharing, interacting, only to get burned later, when they want to look back on something and can't find it. You have a great point about the free vs. paid service. I agree totally with you there. If it's truly important, you should pay. That's why I pay for my email too. :)
- .LAG liked that
Thinking about this problem is part of what prompted my own artistic solution to the problem, at least on FF. I make daily sketches based on what's Best of Day for myself and for my friends. Here's the group that I share the copies to: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... It was starting to bother me how ephemeral all of this is. I still would like a better way to preserve more of my FF writing. I have it piped through Twitter, to Twistory, to Google Calendar, but that's fragmented.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah... your FF drawings are teh awesome!
- .LAG liked that
Dust to dust ashes to ashes...we all leak away eventually. That's not a bad thing.
- Tom Foremski
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy Fuller
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Thank you Robert Scoble to be here. :) BTW is this looks interesting for FF replacement? : http://streamy.com/ ? May be... I'll try it to see. :)
- Claude LaFrenière
Why should I? Whats in it for me? You doing some sort of survey of people to send out the police to do a "Safety Check" on when the site is shutdown?
- Santa CW™
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yeah, me too. I just saw the request to have a comment link at the bottom of the comments from one of your friends just yesterday and here it is. I'd say they are listening. Thanks FF.
- Keith Rowland
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
превед кетаец! давай сегодня сделаем тебя счастливым!
- Махатма Бугоганди
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Махатма Бугоганди
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Махатма Бугоганди
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
More than a friend of FriendFeed, was starting to use it as a full lifestreaming platform and loved it. It's made a whole lot of other sites make sense.
- achean
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Махатма Бугоганди
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Robert He says ; Our Russian friends say to hello to Turkey
- Osman Üngür
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- میر «عرفان» موسوی
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Махатма Бугоганди
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I don't know how I rate my addiction relative to others, but I shared Hitler's reaction upon hearing the acquisition news (despite happiness for Paul and Bret)
- Chris Duffy
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
Well, here's a comment I can later delete and rob the owner of 1500!
- Matthew DeVries
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
ah ok Rochelle. anyway, if, "right to live" is a birthright. "right to privacy" is too.
- vijay
I'm not sure what you mean by the term "birthright" unless you simply mean it's a matter of human rights from birth... for all humans. Using the term "birthright" doesn't necessarily mean universal human rights.
- Gus
I think there's a line at which privacy can be reasonably expected. I mean obviously taking a shower in your own house you expect to not have strangers, the media or the govt come barging in. But when you send an email from a work related address or talk with a friend in a restaurant, I think it gets a little fuzzy. I guess I just mean, how do you define "privacy"?
- Heather
privacy is a right as long as you are on your property. venture into the public world in real life or the internet and privacy cannot be expected.
- Alan Simpson
@Alan Does that mean i can look through your wallet if you're in public?
- Gus
Heather, Alan; it's not important to define "privacy" right now. What is IMPORTANT, is that does everyone believe that if there's an invasion of privacy and that invasion was FOUND TO BE VALID; do they have the RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR IT.
- vijay
good question Gus. Though like I said before defining the boudaries; does everyone believe they have the right to privacy and in case an invasion was found to be valid believe they have the right to fight it.
- vijay
OK, Gus. I will add that what is on my person when out in public would also be private unless entering a secure facility in which a search is required to enter or unless searched by police with a warrant or probable cause.
- Alan Simpson
Not across the board. I'm not anti-CCTV like a lot folks are. As long as it's disclosed. I don't expect my actions in a public place to be private. However, on the internet, one can get the illusion that one is in a private place if one is on a membership site. Disclosure prior to the fact is necessary.
- Spidra Webster
Yes. Just as it is your right to decide when to share and when to not.
- alphaxion
in order to answer your question, we do need to define privacy. with no definition of privacy, there is no definition for invasion of privacy
- Alan Simpson
privacy is your right for aspects of your life to be withheld from public domain knowledge where reasonable - for example, what you do in your home you can expect total privacy. When in public, certain aspects of that privacy is lost so that you can be a part of society.
- alphaxion
Absolutely, though more by law than 'birthright' (not sure what that means).
- LogEx
Everyone understands the basic definition of privacy. The questions are: "Where is the line?" and "How is consent involved?" and "When do you give up that right?" and "Who has the right to limit your right to privacy after you forfeit it?"
- Gus
In some ways yes, other ways, no. And what Alex said.
- Kamilah Gill
this discussion is giving me some food for thought. Thanks you guys.
- vijay
@Alex Sorry, you're mistaken. Human rights are inalienable and universal. Laws are created to protect those rights which we have even before a law is written or a government is formed.
- Gus
Gus... what does that mean? I honestly don't get it.
- LogEx
@Alex We have the rights before we make the laws to protect them.
- Gus
Gus, where did we get them? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I do believe that there are innate things about the way we think about individuals and society that these rights are derive from (though it is very fuzzy), but saying they are 'inalienable' doesn't say anything about their origin.
- LogEx
A human with a gun in their face has no rights.
- Alex Scoble
@Logical Our rights come from the fact that we are human. We are endowed with these rights by nature...
- Gus
OK, I guess we can't go too much further on that one.
- LogEx
@Alex Whether you have a gun in my face or not, the rights still remain. They do not disappear in the presence of a gun or the intention of someone to cause you harm i.e. impose on your rights.
- Gus
Gus what Alex means is you cannot exercise your rights without laws and rights that cannot be exercised are as good as no rights at all.
- vijay
I think so, it's a huge part of why I've created the private message escrow app http://VitalLock.com we're in alpha now but we believe that the right to privacy that is jealously guarded by the elite belongs to all.
- Bob Stewart
I think "right", "privacy", and "invasion" are all in need of definition. We can't talk about ideas if we can't agree on the framework of wording.
- Heather
Heather, so you don't have any "rights" now, since that hasn't been defined yet? no. you have the right to fight anyone who's after your life. Same way you have the right to fight anyone who invades your privacy without your consent. End of Story.
- vijay
Possessing rights and exercising those rights are two different things. My argument is that we possess our rights before a law is ever written or a government is ever formed.
- Gus
you're right Gus. And this thread is about both "possessing" and "exercising". One is meaningless without the other.
- vijay
@NewGuy Possessing rights is not meaningless just because you are restricted from exercising them. The significance of your rights is what causes you to fight to exercise them. We don't fight for something that is meaningless.
- Gus
It's a different issue that we'll have to work on laws and rights to work better together but the fact is rights have no power without the law. When it comes to the worst you have to go to the court and unless the law allows it, your rights have no power in there.
- vijay
I didn't say I don't have any rights without a clear definition, I said we will have a hard time talking with different definitions for the same word. What I consider to be a right might be different from what you consider to be a right. For example, are you talking about the right to communicate on your home phone privately? or your cell phone in a restaurant? Is driving a right? Does it violate your privacy to have a picture taken when you are on your front lawn? living room? a department store?
- Heather
@vijay You started this thread to discuss privacy rights and whether we possess these rights from birth. My answer is: Yes, we possess these rights from birth and the government must bow to these rights because the government derives its power from the rights of the people - not the other way around.
- Gus
Gus, you never did establish how we get these rights from nature at birth, but let's put that aside and just say that we have some set of human rights (including privacy, whatever that means) that are agreed upon by society as worth protecting with laws. Oh, but BTW, different governments recognize different rights. So now what?
- LogEx
And our rights didn't exist 2000 years ago...people simply didn't recognize the need nor did they have the infrastructure to protect them. A right is a legal idea, not a fundamentally human one. Without a legal system you have no rights...without people with similar ethics there's no legal system. It's a chicken before the egg argument that can never be resolved. Rights are not fixed...
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- Alex Scoble
Gus, I know that you do agree to privacy being a birthright. But it's a birthright which has found common ground with enough people to be recognized by law. There could be other birthrights that people feel they are entitled to, but has not found enough backers to be made into a law. My earlier comment was just making sure that is clear.
- vijay
Heather, you're right when talking about "defining it". But there's a reason I've been not even going into the level defining it. You know why? Because there are people running around today screaming, "PEOPLE HAVE ZERO PRIVACY ONLINE." I want to establish first, that people DO have the right to privacy and the fact that so many people want to "define" it, means everyone agrees with me...
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- vijay
why not Rah? You are OK with someone invading your privacy without consent?
- vijay
@Logical - It's a self-evident truth. You don't need to establish "how" we get these rights in order to accept the fact that we possess them. If you're holding a phone, I don't need to establish "how" you got the phone before I can recognize the fact that you possess it. All we can say is that we have these rights and they are tied to our human nature. Concerning differences among various governments, there are multiple variables at play, but we can safely say that some governments are simply unenlightened.
- Gus
@vijay - I just wanted to be sure that the reasoning was not confused... that rights have to exist first before they can ever be recognized through law.
- Gus
@Alex - Rights existed and were protected by law 2000 years ago. It may not have been as enlightened as compared to today's standards, but certain rights were recognized. For example, it was against the law in Chinese society to steal your neighbor's property... etc. Yes, rights can be restricted by government, but that doesn't mean the rights do not exist. A right is a "claim to liberty" and we'll always have a "claim to liberty" as humans - whether oppressive governments exist or not.
- Gus
yes please, but with a question - for mac? or win?
- Jordan Brock
It's a web based app that syncrhonizes either your GSRI category *or* a tag of your choosing to your Twitter account.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
so, it's a mechanism for sharing google reader articles with your twitter feed?
- Jordan Brock
Heavy FF fans may not want to forgo the setup they already have, but there are a few benefits to this that I'm writing into the app (as opposed to simply copying and pasting or using FF to syndicate to Twitter)...
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
For instance, there will be a small toolbar that you'll be able to turn on and off that will include your comment (if any), and instead of linking to an interstitial page from Twitter, it'll go directly to the source.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
just something I made to simplify my own sharing habits, but thought others might be interested in trying.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
from IM
I am a heavy Google Reader user, please !
- Jim Braux-Zin
Can I test your google reader alpha thingie? :)
- Andre
Cool deal - I'll send invites (hopefully, assuming I get these last couple bugs squashed) tomorrow via FriendFeed direct message to everyone who left a response above this comment. We'll call this the Alpha, and if things work fine, we'll open it up again to some more users. Thanks for your interest, everyone!
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I use Google Reader and share/tag big-time. I'd like to add one feed.
- Wallace
I am trying it on my azentrepreneurs account, because my shared items already feed to Twitter from the hardaway account and I forgot how I did that originally and thus can't turn it off;-) How tech savvy am I?
- Francine Hardaway
OK, everyone else that I haven't sent an invite to either through Twitter or DM here, send me an email to guesswho@rizzn.com. The DMing and @ing on Twitter is getting out of control, so I need to move it to a place where I can actually manage the flow a little bit. Anyone who doesn't email me before midnight tonight won't get in until I do the next round.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Does this do the same/similar thing to Twitter Feed?
- Simon T Small
More on Gillmor Gang in at 3 p.m. Pacific Time http://live.twit.tv -- we did this experiment two years ago and it'll be interesting to see how the marketers pick up on this announcement this time.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Ahh, now we are in my *social media comfort zone* Posterior placenta, about 10-13 week gestational age by viewing. Nice extremities and profile with nasal bone visualized already (soft marker for Down's when absence of nasal bone). Nice job!
- Janet
We did same here, maybe same day, but no photos...the little "bug" needed a macro lens & the sonogram operator couldn't find one. Not polite in public what she did use but it is an internal device, an alternative to the belly transponder, and said shape is usually known by another name. Rather surprising in the further context that the sono operator was a very cute, young blonde. Confusing day. Russians (wife) keep such announcements secret until the second trimester, so I'm not allowed to speak.
- Douglas Hopkins
Douglas: yeah, we kept ours quiet until week 12 and also Maryam had a test to make sure the baby doesn't have Downs.
- Robert Scoble
Regarding "marketing experiment" - I forget where I read it, but someone said that the most successful advertising is the stuff that doesn't look like advertising at all, because it does such an outstanding job of meeting your needs. Valid points in your post, and there's no reason why smaller services can't try to meet their users' needs also. For example, look at all of the fuss over how services suggest users. What if your personal suggested users on Twitter were to suddenly include pediatricians?
- John E. Bredehoft
Awesome! 3rd BABY Scoble on the way! Cheers to you and your family!! How blessed you must feel right now. You've been through quite a bit of positive change lately - impressive!! Can't wait to hear more :)
- Susan Beebe
Congratulations!!! Solo parent duty this weekend and missed the announcement. Of course tinyprints.com would like to step up to the plate when the time comes.
- Rick Bucich
This is another feature that facebook needs to "borrow."
- Ryan
with the facebok toolbar in FFox, you can get Growl notifications (on Mac) and FF style notifications on Win/Mac/Lin... they work great
- Richard Goodwin
from twhirl
Frankly, VitalLock is very similar with a few differences we've noted so far, first we will target consumers directly complete with social site and media integration and we will never have access to any of our users data in an unencrypted form. We are building our API first for federated verification of events and federated public key signing of stored objects. Our client side interface...
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- Bob Stewart
Very on time, something I've been researching after learning of the sudden death of my brother's friend at 25 years old. His family had no way of contacting/accessing his online life: MySpace, YouTube, etc. Also, read a blog by Om Malik about a Twitterer's death, a 20 something year old, when his plane crashed. The deceased Twitter account was still active. Online life should be included in one's living will.
- Moushumi Kabir
funny, i have been thinking about writing something on that for sometime now. age coming?
- Ouriel Ohayon
robert - i can add your videos to my post on cn - but do you have a blog post to link to?
- Allen Stern
Allen I don't have a blog post up yet. Tonight I will get one up but feel free to use the videos.
- Robert Scoble
Part of me thinks that I should allow my online stuff to decay and get all covered with digital graffiti after I'm gone... There is gonna be a hell of a buildup of cat pictures and crap by the year 2200 or so... I'm thinking multi-terabytes worth... several trillion LOLcats...
- Kamilah Gill
I only have 3 followers, could said someone, they are Barack Obama, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Numbers does not matter (never) ;)
- giuseppe
Not to mention but by me clicking "like" on this item it went to 29,000 friendfeed accounts, 69,000 Twitter accounts AND Dave's 15,000 Twitter friends. That is more distribution than almost anyone on top 100 list has and engagement level is much higher.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, Robert. But distribution without attention is mass media model. Attention and quality on the net pays (imho) much better
- giuseppe
Agree completely. it isn't the number of followers that matters, it is the content. I KNOW it is good twitter manners to follow everyone that follows you, but I generally don't. The people I follow define my experience with the medium, and that is what matters. Having that numbers of followers doesn't mean they are listening to what you are saying. If you claim nothing but numbers and no follow through, you become the advertising model of the newspaper industry.
- Erik Boles
(i know guys, just being cynical... i don't jones for all of Robert's followers... just some of them ;)
- dave mcclure
Q: how many followers do you follow back? absolute # or %? i currently follow ~5-10% (~1,500). doesn't scale tho.
- dave mcclure
Dave: people like about what they mean by "follow." I don't believe what they say. The only thing you can judge people on is their outflow. Mine is at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- that's how you know how many people I read and find interesting. The rest of the discussion is just bragging.
- Robert Scoble
attachment to outcomes always brings suffering. Buddha said that first
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Have I told you lately how much I love what you do? You have the best video platform out there. I hope you make a gajillion dollars for your brilliance. :)
- Adele McAlear
@Adele hehe. aww shucks! :) not lately no :) thanks! :) btw: I took the finger puppets up the Sky Tower in Auckland and forgot to take photos!!! whoops! ;)
- kosso
I can understand the differences between the three types of "conversation", but I think the examples you use are wrong and will likely confuse people
- Jamie
I agree Jamie, it's a hard concept to describe.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Actually, why do you call those three scopes of information brokering memes? I would not call it a meme, if you see which concert your friends are going to attend. It does not have very much to do with cultural evolution.
- Benedikt Koehler
Benedikt, good point, what would you call them then? It could be a meme, if it's a small conversation between your friends.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I spent time with Friendfeed's founder yesterday. Information important to you and your friends MICRO-meme tracker http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Wow! Quite an interesting business idea... hoping we are on the way to consumer liberation!
- Vinodh Nandakumar
I like the "overheard" expression, really symbolizes the way twitter or other services can be used to increase awareness of what people are saying about your products.
- Lyndon Washington
Mento.info uses get satisfaction as well - I like the idea but was irritated by the fact that I was trying to send my issue through a window inside of Mento and I had to create ANOTHER account just for Get Satisfaction in order to do it. The Mento folks were great and very responsive by the way
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I've been reading the Get Satisfaction blog for a while. Definitely an interesting concept, and VERY interesting how some of the companies respond.
- Jessica
I noted just last night as I was preparing to ask Seesmic for private groups for the fourth time that the too are using Get Satisfaction... it was a pleasure to use but did leave me ondering about continuity with previous requests for basic functionality to empower basic business utility...
- Bob Stewart
from twhirl
Robert: Silverlight's Common Language Runtime approach rocks IMHO. You can have blazing fast Javascript, Ruby, or Python running ***in the browser***. They already have most of what Flash 10 has. But adoption will be the challenge with Flash's pervasiveness.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
"They already have most of what Flash 10 has." That's completely wrong. I'm a big fan of the CLR and think it's great but to say that Silverlight already has most of what Flash 10 has is bogus. It has almost nothing that Flash Player 10 has. The Pixel Bender stuff, hardware acceleration, text APIs, 3D stuff. WPF (the desktop runtime) has some of that but Silverlight doesn't.
- Ryan Stewart
Ryan: Just can't agree, Silverlight has 3D support, excellent text APIs, much of the Pixel Bender capability, and more sophisticated coding models. True, however on the hardware acceleration . Bottom line: It's great to see what Flash 10 is doing and I'm a fan of both but both platforms have the majority of their capabilities in common.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
Dion, I think you might be talking about WPF. Read this post from an engineer on the Silverlight team - http://silverlight.net/blogs... - he describes all the current limitations in Silverlight 2 including bitmap filters, text, and local file storage.
- Ryan Stewart
FLash 10 is a nice iteration of a fundementaly last gentechnology. Silverlight is very next gen (and young). The CLR is a huge win along with mature dev tools (visual studio). Flash 10 does good stuff, but it doesnt have the depth Silverlight does.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Ryan: The 3d mystery solved, since we demo Silverlight 3D frequently: A little digging and it appears Microsoft itself doesn't offer the 3D support for Siliverlight. The 3D support that exists today is commercial and community libraries at this point, some which are very impressive. Will have to look at Flash 10's native support to compare.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
Silverlight Player's rendering quality is not upto the mark even when compared to Flash Player 9 .. so much so that Microsoft chose to build their latest site http://worldwidetelescope.org in Flash .. when you say CLR is a huge win you are trading developer comfort in exchange for the final quality of the product
- Mrinal Wadhwa
Dion the kind of 3D you are referring has been done in Flash since ages .. the FP10 3D support is about natively supporting 3D in the payer .. te way WPF does on windows desktops .. silverlight does not do that
- Mrinal Wadhwa
Silverlight does not do that, yet. Clearly the CLR is capable of it and clearly MS has the technology.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Exactly !! silverlight does not do a lot of things "yet" ... a lot of the basics actually .. like decent font rendering (http://is.gd/h6t) ... like render smooth gradients .. like render animation that does't flickr (http://is.gd/h6l) and draw curves that aren't jagged (http://is.gd/h6l) .. like run the same on Mac and Windows (http://is.gd/7EF)
- Mrinal Wadhwa
From the point of view of a person comfortable enough to build in either platforms, skills wise .. the only reason for me to build in silverlight today is deepzoom .. and that is a very specific use case.
- Mrinal Wadhwa
I'happy for adobe that google maps has a new flash api. Silverlight is good... it's just flash is better. Why does Microsoft have such rendering problems in everything. It needs' fixin. Top priority!
- DC Crowley
from Alert Thingy
Mrinal the reason MSFT hasn't built all on Silverlight is not because of feature set nor maturity. The WWTelescope is an easy project for Silverlight and I don't see any of the things in that example nor in most Microsoft's Flash driven content that could not be delivered by Silverlight today. Keep in mind that there is a lot of investment done already in Flash and that will have to continue until there is another round of dev that will, if ROI permissible, build upon Silverlight in a case by case scenario.
- Gilbert Corrales
There's little question that's it's David vs. Goliath when it comes to Siliverlight vs. Flash, with MS in the unusual position of playing David as the RIA community is mostly pro Adobe Flex, Air, Flash. But Silverlight is definitely innovating (powerful compiled dynamic languages, extensive XML parser, deepzoom, etc) while at the same time early in its maturity curve. It'll be years...
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- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
On the other hand it is great that both Adobe and Microsoft seem committed to keep the ball moving in the advance and fully rich interactive arena. Competition is always good and me as a technologist will support in all the ways this feature and enhancement battle to make reality all those Spielberg-like interaction realities sooner rather than later.
- Gilbert Corrales
Gilbert: I agree worldwidetelescope.org could have easily been built in silverlight and and yet it wasn't and that to me feels like a lack of confidence in their own platform .. I was ready to buy the ROI argument all this while with Vista's home page and Halo3 site .. but i don't buy it for a site released a year after Silverlight's release .. microsoft needs to give me more confidence in their platform .. the places where Microsoft does use Silverlight dont give me a very good experience either
- Mrinal Wadhwa
Dion: I totally agree with what you just said and I do commend Microsoft for the speed with which they are innovating with the platform .. but as you said it has a long way to go
- Mrinal Wadhwa
good god, this comment stream is about as interesting as "Twitter is down again!"
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
I would have been much more excited if the Sparkle/Expression technology had been applied to making authoring tools targeted at the Flash runtime rather than inventing a new runtime. CLR means nothing to me if the user experience in the player is sub-par. Actionscript 3 is a very solid and flexible programming language. Since Sparkle targets a Silverlight and I have no use for that, I'm anxiously awaiting Thermo.
- Jason Wehmhoener
actually @Geoff I have founf the comments really interesting as it has been a level headed discussion about two different technologies that are only going to gain in importance the road forward.
- Steven Hodson
Flash 10 is doing good stuff for sure, but Actionscript is still a horrible kludge of a language IMHO. With more and more of my corporate customers willing to move to Silverlight it is becoming less attractive deal with AS3 when I can have the CLR to work with. At this point .Net provides me tools and a great dev environment that can target the 360, my phone, the zune, the web, the mac,...
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- Soulhuntre
@Soulhuntre You have some semi-valid points but they are more about the development platform and framework rather than AS3 itself. I think AS3+mxml is far far FAR from a 'cludge of a language'. That would have been valid for <=AS2 but not AS3. I really like Silverlight but it is nowhere near as good as Flex - yet. Might get there soon and the CLR factor is a definite plus but in an...
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- Kamath (नमः)
Semi valid? I'm moving up! :) I'm just not that impressed with AS3 as a language. mxml isn't horrible by itself bit I don't find it as elegant as the WPF stuff.At it's core, there is nothing about Silverlight that is single platform and a lot fo cross platform work already in the can... so Flash has no intrinsic advantage there. For now it has advantages and it can run on the Anti-MS...
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- Soulhuntre
How 'bout Flash 10 is a significant improvement with more versatility. That's my take. Silverlight is really new. Adobe is innovating and a viable competitor in a lot of spaces.
- Charlie Anzman
Soulhuntre: There are two perspectives to look at this .. you look at it form what is easier to develop, while I look it as what creates a better final product ... one could surely argue that over time Silverlight will be able to create an equally good final product as Flash .. when it does I will start building for Silverlight .. until then though it does not matter to me if the Microsoft's development env/tools are slightly better
- Mrinal Wadhwa
from Alert Thingy
Oh and if you really feel ActionScript 3 is not very good then you might want to somehow stop the guys developing the new version of Javascript - Javascript 2 because that is essentially going to look a lot like ActionScript 3 today and we'll soon see ActionScript 3 aka EcmaScript 4 aka Javascript 2 become one of the most widely used programming languages
- Mrinal Wadhwa
from Alert Thingy
Promising competition for Flash is indeed a very good thing. I hope MS is not planning to acquire Adobe. It would be a good fit for them, for Flash and PDF alone.
- Ole Begemann
I don't need to stop anyone from developing anything. A lot of bad technology gets to widespread use (look at Javascript v1!). Anyone is free to use anything they want. Ajax aside Javascript is itself pretty kludgy... a new version won't change that either :)
- Soulhuntre
I do see what you are saying about user experience... but I am unconvinced. The stuff that rightly belongs in Flash could happen in Silverlight today and the rest of it is basically begging to be a client + services app anyway. The beautiful thing about having two strong contenders is that the battle makes both better.
- Soulhuntre
am curious as to why AS3 particularly. AS3 looks like a C# fanboy was asked to architect it so considering u r all for .Net (and presumably C#) , curious as to what about the language bothers you. Disclaimer: I work as a designer in a hard-core .Net shop :)
- Kamath (नमः)
from twhirl
Soulhuntre: isn't user experience the key feature in an RIA ? .. the R there stands for a rich experience .. so if one RIA platform can facilitate a better experience for the users of apps built with it .. then that RIA platform in my opinion is superior
- Mrinal Wadhwa
Soulhuntre: you are absolutely right about competition .. its good for everybody .. I dont think the traction RIAs are getting today would have been the same if Adobe would have been the only player .. also Silverlight is great because it enables thousands of developers who are already comfortable with microsoft's development technologies to explore the RIA space
- Mrinal Wadhwa
Kamath: actually AS3 feels more like a Java fanboy was asked to build it .. C# also feels the same way to me :) ... that said there are some things that cannot be done in AS3 today ... private constructors, method overloading, operator overloading etc. that make it slight less attractive to developers .. although as you said its very similar to Java and C# .. although there are some differences, these differences are not huge
- Mrinal Wadhwa
He's using window.name for object storage. This is a really interesting and potentially useful hack. I'm surprised that I've never heard of it before.
- Paul Buchheit
Although, if you do an "open link in new tab/window" that will, effectively, end the session, I believe. In many ways it is not as robust as cookie based options. Hmm...
- felix
As the author points out at the end, this technique is insecure and subject to XSS attacks. This is because the value of window.name is available across domains. It's an interesting hack but I don't think you will find a lot of people using it for this reason alone.
- Kevin D. White
@Kevin developers have done stupider things :)
- Steven Hodson
Kevin, that's also part of what makes it interesting -- it's possible to do cross site sessions :)
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul I agree the idea is intruiging. I just can't see most dev groups deciding that in this case the reward is greater than the risk. Afterall most groups that aren't terminally stupid are more concerned about not carrying data across domains. I don't want to belabor the point. It is a cool hack. I just think the utility of it is pretty low.
- Kevin D. White
This is interesting for limited applications, but the security flaw is troubling. Perhaps it would be useful for "one-page" or "flash" session data where you have a multipage form and don't want to POST between pages.
- Gary Burge
The second comment notes that both Firefox and Safari *crashed* if you tried to stuff > 32 MB into window.name. Sooooo I'm not sure the security implications are limited to XSS ;-)
- Karim
How can I find out if you've subscribed to my FriendFeed?
- Lawrence Liu
from twhirl
According to the little bubble, not me. Even though you said the other day I was being added to the World Wide Talk Show. ;-) Oops, can't press Enter for a newline. What I was going to say, prior to the Post button getting unexpectedly pressed, is that I cannot imagine following 20,000 (or even some fraction of that) on FF. It's gotta be tough as it is on Twitter.
- Joanmarie
Guessing that comments are the way to let you know :)
- Jed White
Holy crap. You've practically got the SNN goin' on - Scoble News Network ?? You will all be featured this week on Fast Company TV - Submit bio to ...
- Charlie Anzman
This is the greatest thing to happen to anyone ever! Cheesecake for everybody.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I let you know via Twitter, perhaps this is more appropriate.
- bill shamam
IF you are able to WITHSTAND fair portion of Russian (sorry, but I try to bring here my community from Russian segment of livejournal.com after buyout disaster) and/or stream of Nokia-tablet/Maemo/etc related-stuff and/or a lot of bitch about this and that... http://friendfeed.com/silpol ;)
- A.T.
Robert, I appreciate your efforts, but I'm afraid that if I follow you (and you follow me in return), I'll have to deal with a lot of noise, and a lot of hype. Once you get worked up about something, you have this need to talk about it all the time, and to impose your point of view (ex: FaceBook). That's why I unsubscribed from your blog a while back. I couldn't deal with it any more. You shot down two of my comments without even bothering to consider them. Take this for what it's worth, no hard feelings.
- Raoul Pop
You're not subscribed to me, here, but anything I have to say that might be interesting to you, I say in a comment anyway... I'm not very talkative, but I enjoy watching your conversation!
- Kenneth LeFebvre