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OMG! Atheists Exist! : Dispatches from the Culture Wars - http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc...
ProsePetals (aka Denise), Ken Morley, Amy℠ and 46 other people liked this
"...an atheist group takes out an ad on city buses and the city takes the ad down and claims it's offensive. [...] The only thing the ad does is say that atheists exist."
- Tanath
from Bookmarklet
According to the comments the city has already backpedaled but it should never have happened in the first place.
- Tanath
why should it not have happened??
- Rob Sellen :o)
Why? I can't understand how it's ok to have signs about Christians or whatever... (religious signs) and not for the other side of the coin. Just doesn't make sense. :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: That's the point. We're saying it shouldn't have been taken down. There's no good reason. Calling it offensive is an excuse - and if it is offensive, that's their problem (and a serious one if you find simple _facts_ to be offensive). And if you want to start outlawing facts then that's a whole other can of worms... Beyond the facts it's a simple inoffensive message to atheists.
- Tanath
ah I see... OK.. we have seen a similar thing here in the UK, they were on the side of a bus. They were stopped too.. that is wrong to me.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Everyone should have the right to openly express there opinion in a 'free' society but there do need to be agreed standards or we no longer remain civilised.
- Kevin J Hatton
Which is the best place for freethinkers and rational individuals? I am returning to the Land of Opportunity. http://bit.ly/MeltingPot
- Martin Lindeskog
Kevin... civilised? what standards are you talking about? this is just hypocrisy.
- Rob Sellen :o)
+1 Rob
- Edward Zwart
Hey everyone, come and look over here, I've found him! After years of searching I've finally happened upon the last reasonable Christian. His name's Gabe. ;-)
- Slappy Line
I am, of course, just kidding - I'm sure there are plenty of reasonable Christians out there really.
- Slappy Line
There are very reasonable & generally rational Christians... just not when it comes to things like faith.
- Tanath
I have my beliefs. You have yours. I don't try to ram mine down your throat, and I'll thank you for not trying to do that with yours. If you feel a need to go to church four times every Sunday, and a few times during the week too, that's fine, but I don't care, or want to know every time you do.
- Ian May
Ian: There is merit to "live and let live," but on the other hand beliefs matter. Actions are informed by beliefs, and people try to influence public policy according to their beliefs - so debate is important.
- Tanath
Ian, neither a post on a public forum nor an ad on a bus counts as ramming beliefs down someone's throat...
- Mark
I say who gives a rip. Not me. Believe what you want to believe or don't at all. Why should anyone care.
- Danny Minick
I find this thread deeply offensive
- John Hardy
There certainly does need to be equal time on this subject. If the free speech of atheists bothers the religious, why don't the religious have the reaction that, perhaps, their public displays of love for their God might be offensive to the atheists? I personally don't care if someone believes in God or not - I'd just like the entire discussion removed from the public square. (And I'll bet, even having said this, you can't determine whether I am religious or not myself.)
- Ciaoenrico
I choose to believe you're kidding Mr. John Hardy :) (You brought a smile to my face in either case.)
- Eivind
The British comedian Dave Allen said it best: "Go, and may your god go with you." Live your life, keep your side of the street clean, and if I like what I see I will ask you about your faith/philosophy. Attraction, not promotion. Don't trivialize your god/spirit/higher power/whatever by turning him/her/it into a commodity.
- Daniel Fath
Tanath, I've found that many people, even when actual facts are put right in front of them, tend to still believe in what they want to. I'm thinking more of political beliefs rather than religious ones here. What I'm really meaning by my previous statement is that I don't appreciate you (the general you) trying to force me to do what you want to do, when I don't want to. Mark, I wasn't particularly meaning the forum post or the ad, although, the latter could certainly be rather 'in your face' I guess.
- Ian May
Apparently, the offended in this Iowa town haven't heard that there's no such thing as bad publicity. C'mon, believers. You have a bus sign publicizing your eternal purpose, and you get it pulled down? How about reaching out to the atheist group as "free-thinking" believers? Even Paul spoke to locals on their own terms. He didn't demand their pagan signage removed, he quoted their signage in his sermon! (Acts 17:23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage...)
- Joel Zehring
Yeah, that's what America needs, another Paul. :/
- Edward Zwart
Censoring atheism is religious prosecution since atheism is itself a religion. People have also forgotten that Jefferson, Franklin and co. were Masons and theists, not exactly fundamentalists. The country was founded by men who were largely atheists and freethinkers. The rabid style of fundamentalism first appeared as a product of the immediate post Civil War years. Jacksonian democracy...
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- Carl Gruber
@ Carl, how is atheism a religion?
- Janice
The country wasn't "founded"..it was stolen... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob, sadly, you could say that about a lot of countries in one way or another.
- mikepk
@Ian But isn't all of politics exactly that, us trying to convince (reason with) each other about our beliefs. It's just that when ideology or religion gets in the way that it sounds like forcing. Strong beliefs loosely held still need to be hashed out. The trouble for some points of view is that they don't stand up well to reason. And then statements like the one's in this ad can be perceived as threatening or in your face, when in fact they couldn't be more innocuous.
- Edward Zwart
Yeah you could do... so people shouldn't say they were "founded".. cos that's a lie... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: reminded me of this http://friendfeed.com/mikepk...
- mikepk
ah... I can't see what he says. :o(
- Rob Sellen :o)
Carl: atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour.
- Tanath
Danny Minnick: I just said in my last comment before yours why people should care. To repeat: "There is merit to 'live and let live,' but on the other hand beliefs matter. Actions are informed by beliefs, and people try to influence public policy according to their beliefs - so debate is important."
- Tanath
Tanath... so are you saying I am WRONG to NOT be religious?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob: What? o.O Did I miss something, LOL? I wouldn't be saying that, I'm an atheist myself.
- Tanath
ok... lol. :o) god told me to ask... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is that so? Can you ask him something useful, like how to resolve the conflict between quantum theory & relativity for me? :P
- Tanath
he just went "tut" :o) so.. no idea...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Hm, well I tried. :P
- Tanath
Conventional Logic vs. Religious Logic --just sayin'
Nick B., Chris Prince, Steve and 145 other people liked this
Definitely true.
- Trish R
hahahhahahah Reminds me of FF the past few weeks. Oops, did I say that out loud? :P
- Mona Nomura
HAHAHAAH!!!!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Brilliant, Mona! Thanks for sharing!
- Matt Harwood
Oooh, great! :) Can I try??
- Jemm
Matt: Anytime. :) @Joni: TRY WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?! HUH HUH HUH?!? ;)
- Mona Nomura
Ahhhahah. Mona you always make my day better
- Kyle Lacy
@Mona: Sharing something.. related ;)
- Jemm
Kyle: Stop trying to butter me up. What do you want? ;) @Joni: ;)
- Mona Nomura
oh you will know Mona, you will know
- Kyle Lacy
i can has bacon!
- imabonehead
@Mark, I think his wife is running for VP...
- Jeff P. Henderson
perfect
- Arash
"Amen."
- l0ckergn0me
I clearly need to get to bed because I saw this at the top of the page and thought, "Wait. It's Sunday already? Where did the week go?" ooph.
- ♥patricia♥
Conventional logic holds that people don't carry baseballs around with them. Conventionally, would you think a person with pockets full of baseballs as "normal"? Do you carry everything you own in case you have to logically prove to someone that you own it in the event that some conventional debate arises?
- Darian Rawson
Omg I found it. Derrick, one more! :)
- Mona Nomura
Ha! Yeah, a little bit.
- Derrick
Hahahahaha
- Kamath (नमः)
Are you familiar with "Russell's Teapot?" : "If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion...
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- Christopher A Carr
I've never known a christian to react like that when someone asks to prove Gods existence. If someone is sincerly asking the question we'll usually talk about why we believe. If someone is being hostile I'll walk away.
- ChiliMac
ChiliMac, on a serious note, it's really dependent on the parties conversing. I've openly had many discussions on religion. It's also helpful to comprehend the other party's(ies') views and backgrounds, to have amicable discussions. :)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: You are absolutely right, it does depend on the parties. I believe most people still know how to and are polite and respectful of one another. I was having this conversation with a friend from my church the other night. His roommate had criticized him for reading books by Dawkins. We disagreed with him. We should understand those who have different opinions then ours and be respectful to one another.
- ChiliMac
I love it. Did you draw this, Mona?
- Jess Lee
Oh, no way. lol!
- Mona Nomura
"There's no such thing as a baseball. There's NO SUCH THING AS A BASEBALL." ;)
- Tyson Key
like again
- Arash
could also be titled "conventional logic vs evolutionist logic" or "conventional logic vs global warming logic". i see more unfounded dogma from these two groups than any other.
- Brooks Bayne
So true.
- Ethan
Yeah, Brooks... or "conventional logic vs. round Earth logic," or "conventional logic vs. heliocentric solar system logic." I'm sick of dogmatic round-Earth liberals! If the Earth is so round, why don't Australians fall into space? Eh? Answer that secular libs!
- Christopher A Carr
Definitely something Richard Dawkins would approve of! :) And @ChristopherCarr - the Celestial Teapot was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.
- jack
hahahah that is hilarious
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I am 100 percent a non-smoker now. And knock wood and praise Murphy my heart is doing well. :-)
Bill Kinney, Bill Romanos, randulo and 110 other people liked this
Haven't you been a non-smoker for quite a while?
- Tad
Rock on Dave!
- Leo Laporte
Congrats to your journey to clean lungs
- Tony
Congrats!!!! That's fabulous news!! Good for you, that's a tough habit to overcome! Rock on Dave!
- Susan Beebe
Cool!!!
- BeeLing
Congrats, Dave.
- Ken Kennedy
From another ex smoker, congrats.
- Mike Lewis
Congrats. Gave up 22 years ago. It isn't easy, but it is worth it.
- David Wright
from twhirl
I quit in September :) Yay
- martha
Congratulations from a Pulmonologist....we can stop yelling at you now...
- Carey Lumeng
Congrats, I quit 4 years ago and never looked back. Good job.
- Scott
congrats Dave, you're an inspiration for many
- Jemima Jordan
tad, 7 years
- Dave Winer
well done. I quit 10 years ago, best thing i ever did, worth persevering at.
- Ken Power
congrats, I quit one and half year and counting, stay strong.
- dan
congratulations, my mother died at 42, she was a smoker, thats my next birthday. I've never smoked, never understood why anyone did. And my mom's death showed me that it was not a good idea to even start.
- Bryan Whitehouse
Congrats on seven years of good living! I remember that time when I thought the worst might happen. It's also amazing that seven years have gone by. Keep on kicking!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Dave.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I quit for 3 years, then in 2006, I spent 6 months in Tokyo. Argh.... need to quit again.
- Christopher A Carr
Congrats! I gave up ten years ago. By far the best thing I have done for my health and wellnes
- Marcello Del Bono
A very wise decision...I could only imagine how difficult it was to give up cigarettes.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I recently restarted smoking after I got layed off. I think perhaps it's time to quit again. What did you use to help, Dave?
- Scott Ohlemacher
Like Scott, I am also a 100% former quitter. The patch just isn't doing enough for me. Your words of advice and/or encouragement would be appreciated...
- Victor Kamutzki
Scott: Dave's doctor told him "quit or die." That was about all the help Dave needed.
- Robert Scoble
congrats! I quit almost 4 years ago.....
- Gordon Corte
Been reformed for three years now. It's still hard, but definitely worth it. Good luck staying smoke free.
- David Imielski
Scoble is right. According to the guy who fixed my heart, I would now be dead for four years if I hadn't quit. The moment he told me the story is the moment I became a non-smoker. http://archive.scripting.com/2004...
- Dave Winer
Dave: I'm glad you quit. Here's to another seven great more years!
- Robert Scoble
Dave: Congrats .. that's one of the hardest things in life to do...
- Bastard Operator From FF
Nicely done, get your teeth cleaned as a reward and they will feel great for a long time.
- Greg Birch
А ингаляция медицинская, хорошая полезная альтернатива курению, и процесс похожий, кто решил бросить - очень рекомендую, я правда себе позволить её не могу, бросил так, но с удоволсьствием бы чем-нить полезным затянулся бы, Гы... бы-Гы - гыыыы...
- otverta
Didn't know it takes 7 yrs to be 100% non-smoker. .. Year #5. "never take another puff". Congratulations.
- The Comic Project
Dave, well done! Proud of you.
- Melanie Reed
Dave, your Madtown pals are proud of you. You are leading by example, again, as usual. Congrats and cheers.
- Dave Martin
I forget what Leo was quoting, but he said it take 10,000 hours to truely master something, so obviously Mr. Winer has been practicing not-smoking for 10,000 hours
- Matthew DeVries
Congratulations!
- godisprofitable
Good for you! Just remember that non-smokers don't smell like ashtray.
- Marco Brandao
You are now huggable!
- Head Ov Metal
congrats!
- sean percival
Good Work!
- Adam Martin
Workin' on it and getting there
- Charlie Anzman
YEAY! Congrats!
- Shevonne
Congrats Dave! You da man!
- imabonehead
Many congratulations Dave!
- jcunwired
Congrats Dave. I'm at 200 days today! Still get the cravings occasionally, but they pass pretty quickly.
- Guy Martin
TWiT 199: I'm A Dinner Jacket - http://twit.tv/199
Michael Hansel, Daniel Rowley, kenneth glenn and 5 other people liked this
Interesting ending song there. I went to the website that was given at the end, and it wanted me to subscribe to their emails or whatever in order to get their free content. Free stuff isn't free if it requires solicited investment of interest, time, or resources.
- Eric Geller
In any event, if you want the MP3 of "Tech Nerd", you can download it here: http://web.mac.com/questpo...
- Eric Geller
Its funny (not haha funny) that it would take something like this for everyone to be able to pronounce his name
- Jim Hague
PrintFriendly - Make any web page print friendly http://www.printfriendly.com/
Morton Fox, Ronald, Kol Tregaskes and 15 other people liked this
That's a great tool!
- Hasitha
wonderful
- Hasan Yalcinkaya
great concept but disappointed: tried it on a TechCrunch article and only half of it shows up
- Louis Choquel
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