Kevin - that is an awesome logo!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- SteVe C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- Zu from AOD
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
PHP is one of the most widely used open-source server-side scripting languages that exist today. With over 20 million indexed domains using PHP, including major websites like Facebook, Digg and WordPress, there are good reasons why many Web developers prefer it to other server-side scripting languages, such as Python and Ruby. PHP is faster (updated), and it is the most used scripting language in practice; it has detailed documentation, a huge community, numerous ready-to-use scripts and well-supported frameworks; and most importantly, it’s much easier to get started with PHP than with other scripting languages (Python, for example).
- Meryn Stol
... clean, friendly, and well-run, this privately owned hostel is within walking distance of both Pa'ia town and the beach...
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
I can remember several of my friends' email addresses. I almost always type them out like a nerd who has too much time on her hands. Same with phone numbers, I still dial a few of my friends' numbers out. Makes for really bad judgement calls at 2a while at a bar tho...
- Mattie Kenny
Not really. Then again I don't use email for personal use much.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I know about four email addresses other than my own. I don't even know my fianceé's phone number. It's been programmed in my phone for years now, but I was never good with strings of numbers.
- xero
Impressive, do you plan to release it today?
- David Lloyd
What can you do with them once you have them exported in OPML format?
- Tom Guarriello
Tom you ask the right question! Theoretically, you should be able to import Bret's OPML file into any feed reader app like NetNewsWire or Google Reader. Pretty sure it'll work. The only controversial thing about the OPML I generated, which can easily be fixed, is that as a gesture of respect, I use the "ff" namespace to include the user's nickname with each subscription. An app that wanted to connect to FF in a special way could use this data.
- Dave Winer
Mark, I just released the OPML Editor source code and I'm going to put up a simple web app that exports your OPML, but I'm only going to commit to running it for 60 days, after that, if people are using the functionality, it should really be directly implemented by friendfeed.com, not as a Christmas Eve hack, but as a fully supported and maintained feature.
- Dave Winer
Hi Dave, you must be really influential if Friendfeed will implement your work hopefully! Going to use Google Reader when you put the web app up.
- David Lloyd
Mark, in this area I am influential. I added OPML export to Radio 8 in 2002, and from that point it was a standard feature of feed readers. I'm not sure why FriendFeed doesn't already have OPML import/export. But now hopefully they will add it. (It's easy to get developers to support import, harder to get them to do export.)
- Dave Winer
Looks like you've done a great job, looking at the test subscription list.
- Tyson Key
By the way, my list has very little value. It is too noisy for most people. But my private list, where I add only the geekiest would have a lot of value as a tech starter list. Can I turn private lists in friendfeed into OPML?
- Robert Scoble
I've already done this .... just kidding look forward to it.
- adolfo foronda
Atul, not sure whose bug this is, but one of the people in your profile has the empty string as their nickname. Here's the profile. http://friendfeed.com/api... in case anyone from FF is tuned in. I'll add some code to work around it (it'll skip over users with empty nicknames).
- Dave Winer
Atul, I added the workaround, your OPML should generate correctly now.
- Dave Winer
I believe I had the same problem with some code I wrote. It's caused by imaginary friends, who by their nature do not have nicknames.
- Carter ♥ JS
Thanks Dave. Works like a charm. Carter - I do have 20 odd imaginary friends setup so that may explain it.
- Atul Arora
Ahhh -- Imaginary friends don't have nicknames. Makes sense. Hmmm. Going to look into this.
- Dave Winer
Hope, if Friendfeed does implement it, they allow for live OPML files, not just import from a static file.
- Amyloo
I should add that FriendFeed doesn't really give you the data you need to become independent of them, as most RSS readers do. They don't give you pointers to the feeds, you have to kind of guess what they are and hope they don't change the format of the URLs later. Pretty fragile -- which is why I'm only willing to commit to 60 days (other than not wanting to get in the business of supporting FF users for nothing but gratitude).
- Dave Winer
It would be nice if, as part of the profile, they gave you a list of non-friendfeed.com feeds that they're reading, so when you export you can really separate yourself from FriendFeed. They say they provide all the data, but I think a big chunk of data is not being provided here, with the caveat that I could be missing something, probably am. :-)
- Dave Winer
Dave, we have per-user OMPL which lists all of the feeds imported by that user: http://friendfeed.com/paul... Your "list of all friends" OMPL is a good idea too, and should be easy to add. Do you think it would be more useful to list the friends' FriendFeed feeds (as you have done), or the friends' imported feeds?
- Paul Buchheit
Wow, I missed that there's OPML coming out of FF -- that's why it's always important to say "imho" or "as far as I know." I will investigate. I only listed the friendfeed.com feeds cause that's all I could find. The point of OPML export is to give the user freedom of choice, so it should reflect everything they've subscribed to, and should not require them to maintain a relationship with friendfeed.com. It should work if friendfeed.com goes away. That will make people more comfortable, ironically.
- Dave Winer
It's another instance of "People come back to places that send them away." Something I keep writing about year after year, cause it seems to be what the web is all about.
- Dave Winer
Paul I took a look at your file, http://friendfeed.com/paul..., and while the effort is appreciated, there aren't any programs that I know of that would process that as a subscription list. Here's the section in the OPML 2.0 spec that explains. http://www.opml.org/spec2#s...
- Dave Winer
I want a way to export all my Friendfeed posts (including messages, links, comments, etc.) to a file (or set of files) on my local system.
- Sean McBride
I agree. The only thing on my Google Reader list was Cuil. Read Write Web was the only, <i>not-positive</i> review of Cuil I could find. And your views are almost exactly like mine. It's nice and streamlined, but there aren't many cool features.
- Ethan
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Agree with your assessment. I agree that the (a) bold claims and the (b) Google mystique are the 2 largest factors. Ironically, it is Google who is to blame for the blogosphere's obsession with being first. He who posts first gets the most links, and he who gets the most links, get the most love from Google. So this has caused the blogosphere to become so focused on timeliness vs. analysis in my opinion.
- Elliott Ng
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I blogged about it yesterday too, felt a little disappointed. Not only because of the technology but also because the claim to take on Google was not well thought through. Hope going forward they can make Cuil more relevant to the search terms !
- Raj
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I also was not impressed with Cuil, realize that they used the "ex-googler" pedigree, know that some writers were way to eager to write positively about them BUT... ...can I get the phone number for their PR agency? =)
- David
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
b/c ppl like 2 complain about startups & they like 2 talk a subject 2 death so that by the 2nd day no one wants 2 hear about it anymore
- ChaCha Fance
While Cuil deserves top marks for getting so much launch PR, it is a little mind boggling that they would decide to do the launch when relevancy and freshness are extremely poor. I suspect that both will improve significantly in time, but first impressions count for a lot. Why not wait until the quality of the product is where it needs to be in order to seriously compete?
- Mark Carey
from Moopz
To be fair, to the average non-tech journalist, it was made by ex-googlers who "know the magic formula" and has a bigger index, which - for the average Joe - might aswell read 'better index', so it's understandable why it got a wide breadth or journalistic interest. Amongst all the non-tech-specific media outlets, I think the Motley Fool put it best: "Cuil is an indexer; a Google clone that decided to sift through three times more of the Web's garbage than others have."
- Peter
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Maybe they should have called it "Cullible"
- Jemm
I like that some BBerry users like to bemoan the iPhone for it's lack of Copy/Paste, among other missing features. It's not as though it aint coming soon, fellas. RIM-BIDDY BYE BYE, as Cyprus Hill once said.
- Marko Bon
lake chateau and louise are two of the most recommended places, EVER
- Mona Nomura
Absolutely breathtaking. I remember beautiful views as we traveled up the Alaska Hwy....similar. One night we camped on a river at the foot of the mountains. My dad looked out the back window of the camper and watched a moose feeding across the water.
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Mona: wow. What were they like? A good friend is engaged to a guy from Banff, but I haven't ever gone with them to Alberta yet...
- Mitchell Tsai
I'll be just north in Jasper national Park one week today. Hoping for nice weather.
- Andrew Smith
I stayed at the Chateau Lake Louise, with my family, when I was 12. I still remember how cloudy the water was, yet so... clean. Canoing in the lake, driving through the Rockies, and taking everything in. No words can articulate the beauty... and i'm not an outdoors person
- Mona Nomura
Andrew: How is Japser? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Jasper National Park is the largest national park in the Canadian Rockies. North of Banff National Park. West of Edmonton. The park includes the glaciers of the Columbia Icefield, hot springs, lakes, waterfalls. Wildlife in the park include elk, caribou, moose, mule deer, white-tailed deer, mountain goat, bighorn sheep, grizzly bear, black bear, beaver, Rocky Mountain pika, hoary marmot, gray wolf, mountain lion, and wolverine.
- Mitchell Tsai
my family on my mom's side is from just outside Banff...my great-grandfather got a job as a forest warden in Banff National Park after emigrating from Ireland
- Trent Olson
Mitchell, It will be my first time to Jasper. I've been to Banff and think it's beautiful. The Rockies are amazing. I'm pretty spoiled living here in Whistler too.
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: Have a great trip! Take some photos for us... :-)
- Mitchell Tsai
I have asked it myself for some time now. Nothing new seem to come out of the pipes - just the same idea with no unique new features that take it to the next level.
- Niclas Strandh
NIHS at its worst. But yes they do. Because their solution way more awesome than the prior art out there. I'm generally cool with and have authored a couple of me-too's that were ports from one language or platform to another. It's a good test of the new platform or library.
- James Williams
Brian- some recent examples: Kwippy, YokTok. But give me a week. I'll find you five more. They're all the same.
- Chris Brogan
Out of curiosity, what is YokTok? Do you mean Yokway?
- Rob Diana
There's also Utterz and SecondBrain. Still think Socialmedian and Plurk are two others, but people seem to love them, too.
- Mark Trapp
Do you think that possibly we're arriving at a critical mass within application development? This leading to longer periods of time between apps that are unique and game changing ...
- Beebo Wallace
@clint Identi.ca is one I recommend against using more than in a token manner due to their insidious copyright agreement they force you to sign giving them all rights to your content.
- Leslie Poston
@Rob - yes, YokWay. Sorry. I knew it was something like that. I don't hate it. Just dont' see why we need yet another of something we have in spades. Where's the innovation?
- Chris Brogan
@Beebo - if that's so, then why are we making apps? It's like talking just to keep our place at the table.
- Chris Brogan
I think folks like identi.ca because it's a sign that we might be able to federate twitter's yummy goodness some day. That's worth doing, I guess. I'm just not participating there. Nor plurk. Nor Jaiku. Nor Pownce. Oy.
- Chris Brogan
I think the reason for some of the applications is because the barrier to entry is so low, and the potential revenue is huge in the social space. Plus the aggregation or social news sites do not "create" anything, they either collect it automatically or people submit stuff. Not a lot of knowledge is required to get in. Succeeding is a different issue.
- Rob Diana
So why fill up a car lot with not-bad models? And you're right. We're all scrambling around to do SOMETHING. But what?
- Chris Brogan
Chris, I never saw too much complaining over me-too shareware apps. Why do the rules get more stringent now that they are on the Web? Why not have a Yokway, a BlogRize, a FriendFeed, and a SocialThing? It's the same reason we have multiple RSS readers, multiple Web browsers, and the like.
- Louis Gray
@Chris, I think you just found your answer. We are looking for something, but what? Is the current FriendFeed the "final answer" in social software? No. As early adopters we still see a lot of issues on FriendFeed. Until someone dominates the space you will see a lot of similar applications.
- Rob Diana
@Louis - I guess it's okay to have lots of ways to do the same thing. Hundreds of bands and all that. But for ever musical movement, there were two or three catalysts and then several dozen me-toos. Maybe I'm just raging against the machine a bit. I mean hey, let everyone try out their methods. I imagine we're the market and we'll decide, eh?
- Chris Brogan
Louis, with shareware products, you can choose the tool that you like the most, and gain value from that. It doesn't matter if only a few people were using it, as long as you personally derived value from it, it was okay. Now, all social apps gain value from lots of people using them: even if you personally like one, it doesn't matter if no one you know or like is using it. It gets...
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- Mark Trapp
Yeah - I don't get it. I don't quite see the value-add to many of them either. I'm on identi.ca because it's based on open source code, but none of the others seem to have much value-add beyond what Twitter gives me.
- Jesse Stay
"Me too" often happens because people are frustrated by the same things...at the same time. Sometimes I speak with a person with a new Web 2.0 idea, and they can't talk about it in detail...so I suggest that they might do A, B, C, ..., G, H. Then they go wow, that's exactly what we're doing. Sometimes I mention that companies W, X, Y, and Z are doing similar projects. Nobel prizes in science often split between 2-3 groups for the same reason... A _disadvantage_ of "competition" is duplication of effort.
- Mitchell Tsai
+1 Leslie for the identi.ca comment. Is identi.ca like Facebook in that they both own everything you post?
- Mitchell Tsai
No Mitchell, they require you to accept a CC license so everyone can use what you write.
- Mark Trapp
Thanks Mark. That sounds better. I've warned people who want to do VC/Business discussions on Facebook about Facebook's lousy ownership rules. Buy/rent a white-label social network or collaboration tool. Tons of "me too" stuff in the white-label social networks. What are the better ones people have seen of those "me toos"? Any that look better?
- Mitchell Tsai
Here's what *I* want: I want one profile with sub-views to rule them all. I want to write it all up ONCE, and port it everywhere. I want to have the same "known" friends just pop into these new apps, and not through a Gmail invite spam campaign. I want laser-tight segmented velvet rope communities where you're not all invited, but where people who have something deeply in common will share bits of themselves there, some elsewhere, and then we'll all get back together here, at the commons. FriendFeed is the
- Chris Brogan
Are they always the same app? Is the artist who paints sunflowers wasting their time just because Van Gogh has already done it? Hey even Van Gogh did it again and again because he was not satisfied.
- Ian D. Nock
By the arguments here wasn't Google the same as AltaVista, Lotus the same as Visicalc, Safari the same as Firefox and I am sure I could name dozens of others
- Brian Sullivan
But they were all different, those ones you listed, and they all advanced the medium. What has Kwippy advanced?
- Chris Brogan
Advancement is in the eye of the beholder though. It is easy in retrospect to say they advanced the medium but at the time not so much.
- Brian Sullivan
Moot, then. I can't say I know what should be an advancement or not. I know that my barrier to actually USING most of these new networks is lower and lower, as is my barrier to even bothering to blog their existence.
- Chris Brogan
When the barrier to reviewing them approaches the barrier to producing though I agree there is something out of whack. But isn't this what computer technology has been striving for? Easy, near instant creation of complex applications? I think it may be a case of be careful what you wish for.
- Brian Sullivan
Not me. I think it's "we're getting flabby and lazy in our application and thinking." We need to shoot for the next layer, not just stop at "gee, people talking to each other is cool!" Presence, multi-modal, etc. We've got a chance to do something next-ish. But not if we just create yet another ____. (Mind you, I can't hello world my way out of a box.)
- Chris Brogan
Twitter had the opportunity to own the microblogging space, but they've dropped the ball. Now you see a lot of people scrambling to pick it up and run with it. I'd argue that those who don't have the technical chops to solve the problems Twitter has run into are doomed to fail from the start, and those who don't spend time up front thinking of a way to monetize the platform are doomed to fail in the long term. The right blend of tech and biz exists, I promise.
- Jason Carreira
Hey Chris -- not sure if you think socialmedian might be a "me too" app (someone else mentioned us (sorta) in this post. I've got say that all we think about is making users happy, meeting their needs, and solving their problems. Whether someone else has done bit and pieces of what we're doing is less relevant. it's how it's all brought together in a unique and hopefully user-satisfying way that matters most in the end.
- Jason Goldberg
was myspace a me too app? curious people's thoughts. I think it was. but they did me too much better than the original (friendster) and nailed their target audience beyond belief
- Jason Goldberg
Hi Jason - and boy do YOU get a say in this conversation. You're definitely working on something that could be an evolutionary step. Are you digg+friendfeed? What do you think the lasting NEXT generation of Social Median will bring to the story? If everything magically takes off and you get $6 Mil to run with it all (or whatever), what's next in your eyes on where it goes?
- Chris Brogan
Chris: 2 reasons why yokway is not a me too app. 1) yokway was founded around the same time friendfeed did and 2) yokway is focusing more on micro-reviews of things across small circle of friends (yelp for the people in your address book) - so although they are some similarities with friendfeed there are some interesting differences too.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin - well excellent. I wish YokWay the best. I'm going to pass on it for now. I ask Twitter for reviews at present. I can see how preserving them in time and place might be useful, but I don't need another platform for that right now.
- Chris Brogan
What you looking for? Your own voice? Your own thoughts? Your relevancy? If you have something to say you can do it anywhere and everywhere! Communication platforms are fluid, do not try to box them up and put boundaries around them! Just speak your mind son! KISS
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I write my own apps that scratch my own itch. And hopefully someone else will also benefit from it.
- Ernie Oporto
Chris - There's more coming from Yokway (another update). I, for one, don't write anyone off until they pack it in. We really never know, do we?
- Charlie Anzman
Chris writes: " If everything magically takes off and you get $6 Mil to run with it all (or whatever), what's next in your eyes on where it goes?" -- we'll circle back on this real soon. Get to beta this week. Then, we'll starting talking about vision for future. Too heads down right now for that.
- Jason Goldberg
I am not too sure about the fact that many people build "me too" applications and even if they do there will still be some dissimilarities(maybe unwittingly) in the execution.Kwippy started as an IM status aggregator(gtalk n yahoo) n evolved into a "microblogging app".We are trying to bring the best of blogging and microblogging worlds.IMHO Kwippy is more aligned towards blogging than others, no.character limit, threaded conversations, follow up comments,human readable permalinks are some of the differences
- Mayank Dhingra
Matt and I were having a discussion on how this isn't the first company to print 3D models, but we were wondering if the social website aspect of it will make it a differentiator.
- Hao Chen
Lost this conversation when noise bubbled over it. :( Good thing i had commented on it. Anyway, it used to be that you could only access rapid prototyping services from a few locations, such as jewlery designers. I'm glad to see it gaining a bit more prominence. I have created a lot of 3D models that I'd love to see printed out but never did it, this could be interesting.
- sergiooo
I don't like Twitter. The world is pretty much coming to an end for me when Twitter is down. I don't like it, but I'm addicted and have to use it. I just posted my millionth post on FF about how much twitter is ruining my life. I'm never gonna get over it.
thinks it's a pain when it's down, but I can work around it, and send a regular text or an email instead. If it's really urgent, I could (heaven forbid) even waste time making a phone call.
- Ian May
I basically have to ignore it to get anything done
- Matt Baron
One thing I've done, I stopped chasing every new social media site that launches and attempt to focus more those whose audiences relate to my interests. I only spend a few minutes (okay hour or so) on them each day (still working on that part) to keep the ideas flowing, content current, and networks strengthened. Overall, I agree, social media is too time consuming. If everyone's doing the social web thing, who is doing the 'real' work?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
You got know when the tweet em, know when to freindfeed em, know when to pownce away, know when to plurk...
- David
I Ignore it when I want things done, like matt
- delbo
I use batching. I will wait till after I'm done completing a main task (checking drawings) then spend no longer than five minutes catching up.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
Use search (in FF or Summize/Twitter) to cut down on noise.
- Tom Landini
Agreed. I'm too busy to comment further, I need to F5 Friendfeed again.
- Jonathon
@louisgray: Yours and very well ! Thank you ! :) Now I'd be the happiest Friendfeeder If you follow its evolution, since I'm so bad at writing ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@Louis Yeah, we got lucky with really positive coverage on ReadWriteWeb/ Mashable and TechCrunch (TC was more of a recognition of our existence than anything else) among others when we went into private beta a week or so back. We have had no LG love (or scorn) :( Kimberly, Chris and I are sorry if we unconsciously offended you in some way... We look forward to someday earning a mention on your blog. Cheers mate!
- Scott Lockhart
I'm at a startup, but we build a hardware box. It seems downright grungy compared to the gossamer realms of pure thought energy everybody else here works on.
- DGentry