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So, in a thread about Adele and the Grammys on Facebook, a friend of a friend said "I really have an objection to all those white British girls singing blues and soul" and I wondered if this is a common sentiment. Really, I'm just curious.
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I noticed a "thing" about blue-eyed soul with Amy Winehouse, Adele and Duffy a couple years back, but thought that might have just been something in the press.
- Derrick
If it keeps the Brits from bringing back the Beatles, I'm okay with it. And the world can use some more throaty women singers.
- ωαřмaiden TeamOtto
Maybe it's just me but I thought blues/soul music was best listened to with one's eyes closed
- Johnny
from iPhone
This might help explain why white Brits are into old school soul. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... I think Winehouse, Duffy and Adele are just sort of natural steps from that background. That's music their parents or grandparents would have dug (and Northern Soul came back again just in the last 10 years). I think the question of "Who has standing to perform x sort of music?" is always a difficult one.
- Spidra Webster
I think if you look at historically you'll see a lot of black soul and r&b singers who never got any notoriety and a few white performers who kind of jocked their style and made a lot of money and fame in doing so. Not saying this is the case today, but this certainly happened back in the day.
- Derrick
Yeah, there's definitely been a history of that and that could be at the root of her reaction. I don't know. It really wasn't the time and place to get into it there, especially since I don't know her.
- Katy S
Pat Boone
- Johnny
from iPhone
I agree with Derrick that there's a lot of history of black artists getting ripped off in the US.:::: Note that I first heard of Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings from a white Londoner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... And though she's African-American she was getting heavy promotion in the UK. I think US jazz, blues and soul have been better appreciated in the UK...
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- Spidra Webster
And I believe N'dea Davenport - another American - has had the most success singing with the British band "The Brand New Heavies".
- Andrew C (✓)
I vaguely understand (from an old Oliver Wang podcast I can't find right now) that some people also have philosophical objections to Sharon Jones and the Dap-Kings, specifically that they are making music in a now-historical genre rather than pushing forward with new soul/r&b. Wang also wrote a piece for NPR about retro soul and neo soul, which BTW touches on the relative non-blackness of retro soul: http://www.npr.org/blogs...
- Andrew C (✓)
I wouldn't put Adele in the same category of being retro soul. I hear soul as an influence, but she really has her own sound.
- marthalib
RE: "few white performers who kind of jocked their style and made a lot of money and fame in doing so." Yes, like Elvis :)
- marthalib
Ha, I was just going to say Elvis too. :)
- Adrian
..."Rock and roll" was originally considered black music... until Elvis became the "King of Rock"... I guess the black music was just an influence, but he really had his own sound— just sayin'... ;)
- .LAG liked that
I know about Elvis and others in the past. I just hadn't heard/read someone so vehement about current musicians (the passage went on a bit more than what I posted).
- Katy S
I reject the notion of "blue eyed soul." It's just soul, gottdammit. You have it or you don't (and everybody has at least a little. you just have to know have to let it out). Largely it's cultural. And culture is learned behavior. If white people can't do "legitimate" soul (whatever in Maude's name that is) then black people can't do calculus or Stravinsky... and that's just some bullshit right there. BTW, Roy Orbison was one soulful MoFo #runtelldat
- MoTO Bott
Music is music to me, i don't care who sings it if it sounds good to me and makes me feel something then go team. I don't care what the singer looks like.
- SteVe C
Clapton took his method of blues from the same black artists Elvis admired. Why must the press keep bringing it back to skin color?
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
So at what age does it become inappropriate for a father to see his daughter naked?
IMO, when she gets boobs and hair.
- Melly Botts
I no longer see my youngest son naked. He's 9. I followed his lead on this.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Or before if she doesn't want him to see her naked anymore.
- Melly Botts
...when they become old enough to start dressing themselves
- .LAG liked that
I used to shower with my dad and brothers. I think that stopped when I became 5 or 6.
- Spidra Webster
I think it's also interesting to discuss this the other way around - at what age is it inappropriate for a child to see their parent/s naked?
- Melly Botts
12ish maybe?
- Stephen Mack
5 or 6, Spidra? Did you start grabbing their appendages and make elephant sounds? :P
- Bubba Botts
Probably, Bubba. It was right at face level. I honestly don't remember exactly what age I was when I stopped showering with the rest of them. It may have been earlier. I know it was no later than that, though.
- Spidra Webster
Melly, I stopped letting my daughter see me naked at about 3 or 4. I'm sure this is different for mothers of daughters and fathers of sons.
- chrisofspades
Hahahaaaaaaa, my Mum likes to tell the story of me going to use the toilet when I was a toddler, walking past Dad in the shower, and grabbing his tackle with freezing cold hands.
- Melly Botts
Josiah is 5, he sees both of us naked on a daily basis, and he showers with one or the other of us at least once a week. At this stage we still very rarely shut the bathroom door. Every now and then Josiah will ask for privacy and close the door, but most of the time he's the kind of kid who likes to do a lap of the house naked before he gets in the shower, yelling out "LOOK AT MY NUDIE BUM!"
- Melly Botts
Haha.
- chrisofspades
Woah. Whitney Houston died. :(
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Jeremy Lin went crazy against the Lakers last night... got the Knicks rolling -- http://j.mp/wUbnzk
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Yet another player the Warriors failed on...sigh...
- Todd Hoff
+1 Todd... Warriors organization have an uncanny ability to give away talented players for almost nothing
- .LAG liked that
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And draft crappy players. And play crappy players. And...
- Todd Hoff
We're the boot camp for future NBA stars :(
- Starmama
from FFHound(roid)!
I think Kobe knows who he is now.
- Julian
I guess the Warriors are kind of like the pre-CP3 Clippers that way :D
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Unconscious!
- DJ Stevie Steve
I'm just glad a smart kid, with a good head on his shoulders, and respect for the game is doing well. Sucks that carmelo will come back and put an end to that.
- SteVe C
I <3 this: "I think Kobe knows who he is now" ...well-done Julian
- .LAG liked that
I thought the Warriors would have been demoted to the D-League by now? :-)
- DB Botts - Just DB Botts
...the Warriors would get schooled in the D-League too
- .LAG liked that
The team in Maine is decent.
- Julian
The Warriors are still better than the Bobcats.
- Victor Ganata
+1 Victor
- .LAG liked that
William M. Briggs, Statistician » The Mathematics of Boneless Pork Rectums - http://wmbriggs.com/blog...
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"Ever wonder what’s in those delicious dumplings? What gives them that special tang? The flavor that cannot quite be named? Wonder no further! For the secret has been revealed. And the secret is…boneless pork rectums, finely diced. All the hush-hush is over because, through carelessness, these boxes were allowed to be photographed just before they were hustled into a restaurant in Taiwan. But now that their presence has been revealed to the world, the silence surrounding dumpling recipes can be broken."
- Tudor Bosman
from Bookmarklet
You're welcome.
- Tudor Bosman
Well, you learn something new every day. I didn't know pigs had bony rectums.
- caj needs a haircut
Gives a new meaning to "rectum? Damn near killed 'im."
- Bubba Botts
It's a good thing we usually eat dumplings that we make ourselves.
- ronin
I also prefer them boneless. Bone-in rectums are not for me.
- Que Sarah Sarah
...where mah daddy's from, I think they called these "chitterlins"...
- .LAG liked that
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Start 2012 by taking 2 minutes to clean your apps permissions.
- .LAG liked that
Dan Rather Agrees With Ron Paul in Opposing War With Syria | NewsBusters.org - http://newsbusters.org/blogs...
"Appearing as a guest on Thursday's Piers Morgan Tonight on CNN, former CBS News anchor expressed agreement with GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul in opposing U.S. involvement in the civil war in Syria to protect the civilian population from the terror regime of authoritarian ruler, President Bashar Assad. After describing what he believes should be done to put pressure on Assad, he brought up Congressman Paul's left-leaning views on the Middle East:"
- Sean McBride
from Bookmarklet
"However, and, by the way, this is one reason that Ron Paul continues to do reasonably well in the Republican race, Ron Paul says this is - in essence, he says, "This is madness. We don't need another war. We don't want another war. We can't afford another war. And if you went to war in Syria, if you went to war with the military option, there's no telling where it would lead.""
- Sean McBride
"The former CBS Evening News anchor then divulged his own view: "About that, my own personal opinion is he's probably right. And American public opinion is not going to be behind any big military intervention in Syria.""
- Sean McBride
...wait, Syria today? but what of the rumored war with Iran... back-burnered? who are we are war with today? — "In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human...
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- .LAG liked that
You got it.
- Sean McBride
And "the terrorists" are any Americans who raise questions about these wars -- what motivates them? Who benefits?
- Sean McBride
...but, the main point is: it doesn't really matter who's in the White House... the GAME continues regardless of the players you see in front of the stage. Ron Paul is not the answer. No one sitting in that ovaltine office is... look BEHIND the stage.
- .LAG liked that
The real powers behind the throne are manipulating both the Republican and Democratic Parties. Dogmatic Republicans and Democrats help keep the game rolling along. And this gang would never let anyone like Ron Paul get near the White House.
- Sean McBride
Untitled - http://shey.tumblr.com/post...
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huh? whut? wtf?
- .LAG liked that
"Actor Steven Seagal Sued for Driving Tank into Arizona Home, Killing Puppy" - http://www.forbes.com/sites...
Michelle M, Victor Ganata, Your Neighbor Steve and Rodfather liked this
wow
- Rodfather
huh? whut? wtf?
- .LAG liked that
It was an animal cruelty bust, you see.
- Your Neighbor Steve
This just reminds me of how disturbingly realistic the movie "Machete" is. Except Danny Trejo can't dispense vigilante justice.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
I wish Joe Arpaio would just go away. Ugh.
- Michelle M
I wish Eric Holder would just nail Arpaio already. That dude should be locked up.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
:(
- Starmama
from FFHound(roid)!
RT @Norcalrob: There are two kinds of people in the world: givers and takers. The takers may eat better, but the givers sleep better.
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nice!
- .LAG liked that
Yes, I'm a #Knicks fan—and I'm loving the Jeremy Lin story! So fresh. Did you see his tomahawk jam vs. the Wizards? http://j.mp/zwCAua
...and the #Knicks are winning with him running the point!
- .LAG liked that
Assessing Jeremy Lin's Impact on Golden State Warriors, NBA | Bleacher Report - http://bleacherreport.com/article...
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"As only the fourth Asian-American to ever play in the NBA, that is certainly an accomplishment. His hard work and rise from receiving no Division I scholarships to the NBA is quite a story, and an inspirational one at that. You will hear a lot about that, but the guy can also play ball"
- Rodfather
from Bookmarklet
Nice to get a local boy.
- Rodfather
The last Asian-American I remember playing in the NBA was Rex Walters from San Jose.
- Rodfather
"Backing up Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis, Lin should learn a lot from these guys and provide some solid and efficient minutes off the bench. " - that's all well and good, but Monta Ellis is not exactly the mentor I'd want.
- chrisofspades
It's pretty exciting he'll be actually playing and getting good minutes.
- Rodfather
chris, last I remember hearing about Ellis and the Warriors (I'm more a casual fan than a diehard) was a couple of years ago, when he was tearing it up in the playoffs. What happened since then?
- Andrew C (✓)
Monta Ellis and Curry are still young so won't provide much mentoring besides working by example. Monta was still recovering from his knee injury a few years ago. This whole organization is work in progress at point. I hope the new owner and management will turn things around.
- Rodfather
...if the front office (new ownership) sets the right tone, it could be a good place for young player, but generally, if Nelly is still the coach, it will be tough, as that coach doesn't have a positive history with developing players
- .LAG liked that
Yep, Nellie doesn't like to play young guys. I was hoping Nellie would be gone by the beginning of the season. He's going to have to play him since he's the backup PG though.
- Rodfather
Andrew, there was the moped incident, the negative comments he made after the W's drafted Curry, the injury problems, etc. I think he's still a bit immature to be tabbed a leader, but that could still change because as Rod mentioned, he's still young.
- chrisofspades
*bump* What a crazy journey.
- Rodfather
Nerd discovers exactly which day was Ice Cube’s “good day” | Andrea Woo | Vancouver - http://andreawoo.wordpress.com/2012...
chrisofspades, JA Castillo, SteVe C and 5 other people liked this
I don't do enough with my free time.
- Gabrielle
from Bookmarklet
Oh my, this is amazing and I don't even like that song.
- Anika
♬...shake 'em up! shake 'em up! shake 'em up! shake 'em!..♬
- .LAG liked that
heh
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
awesome
- SteVe C
OK...that was pretty nerdy. :)
- JA Castillo
این فيد رو يکی از دوستان عرزشيمون در مورد بعضی دوستان سبزمون داده/ولی بنظر من
شباهتش به بعضی از عکسای آغا بيشتره/ نه
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این خیلی بی رحمیه! چطور دلتون میاد آقا رو با این موجود گوگولی مقایسه کنید؟؟
- الک دخت
بيرحمی از توئه/.آقا خودشم گوگوليه
- ژان کريستف
من به عنوان یکی از طرفداران محیط زیست اعتراض خودم رو نسبت به توهینی که به این دوزیست محترم شده اعلام می کنم
- Faulty Society
کدوميکی از دوزيست ها منظورتونه قربان/دست چپی يا راستی
- ژان کريستف
نه اشتباه نکنید، دست راستی دو زیست نیست، نوعی ماده مخلوط به حساب میاد که کلونی های باکتری در اون زندگی می کنن و حاصل عمل گوارش جانداران دیگر است، اسمایلی دبیر زیست شناسی 1 نظام جدید
- Faulty Society
فعلا که همين بقول شما کلونی باکتری داره ترتيب جانداران ديگر رو میده
- ژان کريستف
گهی پشت به زین و گهی زین تو پشت
- Faulty Society
- اميرو
لول
- vanik
طفلکی قورباغه ناز. با اجازه دزدیدم بزنم تو صفحه فیس بوکم
- Neda S.
ديگه دزديدن اجاز ه نميخواد که:))
- ژان کريستف
ما دزد مودب هستیم :))
- Neda S.
ها ها ها ها !!
- مــــــیر آرــــشــــ
~ آغا
- ؛ patrick
آقا رو آغا کرديمش رفت
- ژان کريستف
این خیلی باحاله هر بار می بینمش می خندم :)))
- ؛ patrick
جالب نبود .
- pesarehazerjavab
موافقم...اصولا ديدن قيافه آغا زياد جالب نيست
- ژان کريستف
عااالی
- babak ★ eskandar
يه حالی به بعضی ها بديم علی الحساب
- ژان کريستف
cheghadr ghourbagheh khoshgeleh :-)
- Sepi ~ سپی
بر پدر و مادرتان لعنت که دارین از کون سوزیتون میمیرین آقا یه دونه است
- IRANPIROZ
اولاندش که این بالا بنظر میرسه آغا دو تاس نه يدونه...دويمندش که با کامنتی که گذاشتی معلومه ماتحت کی داره میسوزه عزيز دل برادر///بقول حاجيه آژانس شيشه ای..کامنتت هم سوز داشت ..هم دود
- ژان کريستف
بیا بخورش بابا
- IRANPIROZ
ای بابا...سوز و دود که داشتی..به گازو گوز هم افتادی که بخاطر آغا:))..اجرت با رهبر عليلت
- ژان کريستف
تا کور شود آنکه نتوان دید
- IRANPIROZ
IRANPIROZ@ کیر همه ایرانیها توی کون رهبرت.گم شو حالا.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
به قول تورکا گیرر بدبخت اینو نگی چی داری بگی فعلا که شما دارین کونو به باد میدین بهتر دنبال یه وسله دوز باشی آخه سوراخ کونت خیلی گشاد کرده
- IRANPIROZ
کیر خودمو که نگفتم. ⎝ᄽ⏝⏠⎠
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
اصلا داری که راجع بهش داری حرف میزنی
- IRANPIROZ
IRANPIROZ@ بمیر بابا, تو که الان داری به رهبرت کون میدی .بدبخت کون آخوند خور.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
IRANPIROZ@ میخواهی ببینی؟ نگفتم کونی هستی.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
جووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووون
- IRANPIROZ
داری آتش میگیریا تو یا نتفت حرام بوده یا لقمت حروم بوده8 که این شودی
- IRANPIROZ
بابای جوجو
- IRANPIROZ
لایک سنگین
- فالن
بابای کونی.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
آقا چرا این بابا پيروزه..پوفيوزه چيه ...رو فراری دادين..تاز ه يکی رو پيدا کرده بوديم بهش گاو آهن ببنديم این فيد رو شخم بزنه تعداد بيشتری از دوستان حض بصر ببرن..خيلی نامردين
- ژان کريستف
.زکات علم شير آنست
- ژان کريستف
Poor frog!
- Dracula
خوب واسه دستگرمی با شخم این فيد بازگشت پيروزمندانمون رو خدمت دوستان ا علام کنيم علی الحساب تا بعد
- ژان کريستف
به به
- ممد
welcome back
- ؛ patrick
ارادتمند تمام دوستان
- ژان کريستف
آقا من یه لایک دیگه اینجا اضافه کنم، این فوق العاده س :))
- babak ★ eskandar
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- اميرو
+++
- سیاوش
...verily, I say to thee...
- .LAG liked that
خوب.....يه زنگاری از این فيد بزدائيم ببينيم چی میشه
- ژان کريستف
غکسه به رهبر نزیکتره.. :-))))))
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
شخم بمناسبت فرمايشات جديد آغا در مورد فلسطين
- ژان کريستف
چقدر به جا بود این شخم مجدد
- بامداد
:))) قـــوباغه...بووومب
- بامداد
خوب ریدی به برادرای عرزشی
- سام.کیا
برادرای عرزشی گوه سگ.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
گاوآهنو بستم به آغا... شخخخم
- عیار
: )))) این چه خوبه. چرا من الان دیدم اینو؟
- Dahri
اصولا ريز میبينی آغا رو
- ژان کريستف
lol
- ساوالان
نمنه ؟
- Prometheus
شخم بمناسبت بيانات آغا
- ژان کريستف
:)))))))))))))خیلی باحال بود.ولی دلت میاد قرباغه به این گوگولی رو؟!!!
- آناهیتا
.آغا خودشم گوگوليه
- ژان کريستف
:)))))))))
- d.agnostic
=))
- فرمد ـــ fremd
يکی از رفقامون هست میگه...دوچتم قويباغه ..بوم///همون ماجراست
- ژان کريستف
Online Singles Seek Parenthood but No Sex - http://news.yahoo.com/online-...
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"Melani is looking to what she calls "the next big thing" in online match-ups and has signed on to Modamily.com, a new website that pairs couples interested in "co-parenting" arrangements. It's sort of like the new Jennifer Westfeldt film, "Friends With Kids," about two best friends who have a child, while keeping their relationship platonic. Skeptics highlight the potential side effects, but supporters say that forming a sexless union, simply for the sake of having kids, might even be better for children, given that half of all U.S. marriages end in divorce. "The shared raising of a child between two loving, committed, and financially secure adults," as described by Monamily. The Website says this approach "helps to solve the problem of quickie-clock-ticker marriages and resulting divorces.""
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
...I read somewhere that it was money problems which led to most divorces... does this arrangement mitigate financial problems?
- .LAG liked that
If they're both financially secure, I can't imagine how they'd have money problems. Then again, I'm sure humans would find a way. I had neighbors who claimed that one half of them garnered 100-150 bucks a night in tips, but that they were too addicted to marijuana to pay their monthly rent, which wasn't much more than $500 a month (that included utilities). They were eventually evicted for non-payment.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Add Arianna Huffington to the smart and cool people who like Ron Paul. She just tweeted: "You've got to love Ron Paul on Iraq: 'A totally unnecessary war based on false assumptions and lies.'"
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And her tweet has already been retweeted 166 times.
- Sean McBride
Do the smart and cool people still respect Barack Obama? Not really.
- Sean McBride
She gets to go to much "smarter" parties than you do, WarLord. :) But seriously -- she's no dummy. Neither are these people: 1. Andrew Sullivan 2. Arianna Huffington 3. Bill Gross 4. Bill Maher 5. Clint Eastwood 6. Denzel Washington 7. Glenn Greenwald 8. Iris Mack 9. Jay Rosen 10. Jesse Ventura 11. Joe Perry 12. John Perry Barlow 13. Jon Stewart 14. Norm Macdonald 15. Oliver Stone 16....
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- Sean McBride
Sean I never had shirts with little aligators, so bolstering my ego by "who" was agreeing with me, no big deal. I'm comfortable with Obama sharing my belief system. Ron paul or Ariana, not so much
- WarLord
Obama "shares your belief system"? But he's totally full of shit -- there is a near absolute disconnect between his words (beliefs) and his actions. This is why the smart crowd that pushed him into the White House in 2008 has turned on him. You're a bit behind the times. Catch up -- it's 2012.
- Sean McBride
Yep and your best answer just told us about HONEST RAPE, fuck him. And he has a daughter too. Despicable. As for Obama, yep I'm happy with his leadership. As for Iran? Drone strikes? Who cares if I'm starving...
- WarLord
WarLord: does the phrase "honest rape" mean "honestly reported rape" as opposed to "falsely reported rape"? What do you think it means? I'm not sure -- perhaps Paul will explain it. That's my first instinctive read of the phrase.
- Sean McBride
Sean, I can not honestly parse the phrase "honest rape' Seriously I can't imagine the mindset that would trot that out in polite company. And he has daughters of his own!?!
- WarLord
WarLord: doesn't my parsing of the phrase make perfect sense? A truthful rape report as opposed to a false rape report. Do you realize how much nonsense all of us utter in spontaneous, off-the-cuff speech? It's a waste of time to focus too much attention on these verbal fluffs. Why don't you try to get on *substantive* issues concerning war and peace and civil liberties. Or does that overstrain the mental faculties of most Ron Paul bashers?
- Sean McBride
Here's my problem Sean, I cannot ever imagine using a phrase like "honest rape" because i don't follow the rest of his logic. Why does that poor women "need a reason' to end her pregnancy? If she feels she was raped coerced persuaded or whatever, its her call except in Ron Pauls eyes not so much.....
- WarLord
False rape reports are nebulous at best. Do they exist? Yes. Are they actually common? No. Of course, much of the notion of "false" reports have to do with judgmental perception of law enforcement if some sort of "inviting" seems to THEM to have occurred...ie clothing, alcohol, hip swirl, lipstick, whatever. The whole notion is bullshit.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
WarLord -- well, you've got a problem: a very large percentage of Americans believes that the fetus enjoys human rights and they are difficult to convince otherwise on this issue. That is why this controversy never ends and goes round and round and round. It's an area of controversy I usually steer clear of. My main interest here was to try to parse the meaning of that off-the-cuff phrase.
- Sean McBride
Where, Sean, do you find the citation that a "very large percentage of Americans believe" that?
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- Google it for the hard numbers. This isn't my field of interest -- it's your main field of interest, right? I quickly found this: "Americans remain sharply divided over the issue of abortion, but a plurality would like to see stricter limits placed on abortions in the United States, according to a New York Times/CBS News Poll conducted last month. Democrats and women are more...
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- Sean McBride
I actually have a fair idea of the numbers, Sean...and they're nothing to do with Ron Paul. A "25%" of a total population could be construed as "large", depending on what we're talking about. It's a weaselly way of making a phrase, which is why I called it out. As specific to this topic, there IS a large percentage...but not of the total American population; rather, there is a...
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- Prosey BUTTONS!
The poll was from 2007, and I don't have time to take a close look at the numbers, but the word "plurality" caught my eye -- which I would describe as a significant percentage.
- Sean McBride
Again, "plurality" in this instance refers primarily to a specific subset of the overall population, with outliers of that subset affected also. Hence, the term.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
I've recommended it before, and I'll recommend it again -- not for the main thrust of the book but mainly because of the overarching trajectory of the topic...it is a quite brilliant overview of sexuality (and heavily focused on Western, and more acutely American perception of sexuality). Straight: http://www.amazon.com/Straigh... --a very dense history, easy to read, extremely interesting book.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Bottom line: many Americans oppose abortion for principled reasons. They can rarely be argued out of their position. That is where this issue stands.
- Sean McBride
By the same token, "many" Americans also support abortion for principled reasons. (Please note: "support" here is not synonymous with "like". "Support" here means -as in supporting the right to legal and safe access to abortions as part of a complete list of options from which to make an informed decision about one's own body.)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey: a better poll: "CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 12-17, 2012. N=1,154 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3." "Which of these comes closest to your view? Abortion should be generally available to those who want it. OR, Abortion should be available, but under stricter limits than it is now. OR, Abortion should not be permitted." http://www.pollingreport.com/abortio... As of...
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- Sean McBride
All of the percentages, Sean, can be considered *significant*...and I'm curious (since I distrust most statistical presentations of this nature by the mainstream media outlets) as to what population served as their sample, and why the chosen sample was deemed appropriate to extrapolate to the American population as a *whole* ~
- Prosey BUTTONS!
For instance, look at the Kaiser poll just beneath it...think about the implications of the question, and compare *those* numbers to the ones above it.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
I look at Kaiser polls more seriously in health matters in general; Guttmacher polls in *sexual* health matters even more so.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
And the numbers you noted aren't consistent, actually. Scroll further down. Another of those polls show Available no matter what the reason is 37%, Only legal in certain circumstances 44%, Illegal in all circumstances 15% Unsure/refused 5% -- THIS is why I get curious as to the sampling
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Okay...another good book recommendation for you. This book can provide *some* insight to the variety inconsistencies AND the origins of such... The Purity Myth http://www.amazon.com/Purity-...
- Prosey BUTTONS!
I just reviewed all the polls on that page I linked too -- what a great resource for polling data on abortion. My overall take on all the polls in combination: Americans seem to be evenly divided on this issue and the needle is not moving in a more liberal direction. In fact, the needle may be moving in a more conservative direction, depending on how you parse the polls in combination.
- Sean McBride
Sean I['m guessing Komen said exactly teh same thing when they cut off Planned Parenthood. No prob, America is center right and anti-choice.... Depending on how i put abortion question I can get any per cent you'd like to order. The groundswell tells me that people women are growing tired of having their bodies and their health owned by others...
- WarLord
...Arianna Huffington has 834,055 followers. 166 retweets represents 0.0199% of her followers. a thimble of brine in a salty ocean...
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Re "honest rape" --- heres a case in the news in this area, the NYC Police Commissioner's son accused of rape and the DA doesn't believe her http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
- Berthe
Before that we had the accusation against Dominique Strauss Kahn, which was as phony as a $3 bill; the Duke LaCrosse case, which was a travesty, the prosecutor trying to get reelected in a black city so that he'd have enough time in for a pension. Of course, the famous Tawana Brawley case.
- Berthe
But its all moot because what Ron Paul wants to do about abortion is let the states make the laws. I agree. The Supreme Court made a terrible mistake to take Roe v Wade. Abortion laws had been liberalized in 14 states by the time Roe was decided (including NY and CA) and many other states would have followed suit quickly. Much better to do that than what happened, almost 40 years of that issue dominating national politics.
- Berthe
Berthe apparently you don't remember when contraception was illegal? Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965),[ struck down a Connecticut law in 1965 under right of privacy. Enough pious bullshit about states rights it wasn't so fucking marvelous in Mayberry before Roe and Griswold etc etc
- WarLord
You're not thinking contraception would be illegal in CT today without that Griswold decision, are you?
- Berthe
Umm Berthe that's actually what I am thinking in fact without Griswold and Roe. BTW nice Condescension dude. But I lived the times, so i might have you know an insight... #whatatool
- WarLord
Its absurd to say contraception would be illegal today without those Supreme Court decisions. Nowadays its prescribed as acne medication for 15 year olds. True fact.
- Berthe
To Sean: Yes, it's a decent *smattering* of samplage, but I would urge you to look to Guttmacher, or even more significantly, to GEMS (http://www.gems-girls.org/). There is more to the story about sexual exploitation of American girls (not even touching on "imported" girls, which is a separate and even more appalling topic). But, you know, they're not blonde, and cute, and virtuous, so they're not "counted" in the virginity movement sweeping the country since 1981.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
To Berthe: There are too many stats & cites I could provide, and they would ALL make your stomach turn, especially as a mother (one small example: http://www.moxiebird.com/2011...) -- and I give the woman credit...TREMENDOUS credit...for her courage. But aside from that, I'm repeating myself from a comment to Sean. Serious book recommendation that outlines the current reality across the country: http://www.amazon.com/dp...
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Aside from those links and reading recommendations, I'm off topic to the discussion posted. Heh, to the topic posted, I'll just be repeating myself with the comments about ad populum and what a weak attempt at bandwagoning it actually is. ;-)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- thanks for the pointers -- I appreciate them. I am nosing around in the abortion topic now and then using these searches: Google [abortion WITH books, charts, facts, graphs, infographics, polls, public opinion, rates, statistics, stats, reports, trends, youtube, videos]. (That means search on "abortion" in individual searches with each of the following comma-separated terms.)
- Sean McBride
Sean: I have *tons* of reading I can recommend. From both sides of the debate. Let me know what you're interested in. Bear in mind, most of what I have is heavy academic...so if you can't pull it offa Google Scholar, then I'll get you the ISBN #s
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- any chance you could post your full bibliography on Google Docs, Scribd, Tumblr, Posterous or a similar site?
- Sean McBride
I could, but that particular bibliography has to wait. I'm not yet published, and my entire text is in draft....meaning, I'm still compiling it. I have hesitated, mainly cos I'm pondering whether or not to wait on publishing my dissertation in favor of publishing a book. But when I have a non-changing bibliography, it's mostly public already anyway. You'll have to give me some time, though.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Great -- let me know when it is ready for perusal by outsiders -- I would like to take a look.
- Sean McBride
Will do. :-)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
To any of you web design-minded people, what do you think of this newly redesigned Wynn Las Vegas website? - http://www.wynnlasvegas.com/Home...
ASPX? Is this newly redesigned or recently refound in the archives from 1998?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
This is a brand new, relaunched web site. The old web site was a Flash-based travesty, but they have outdone themselves this time.
- Eric
...ASP.NET is a fine language... but exposing your Web technology at the URL level, in 2012, that's kind of amateur... ;)
- .LAG liked that
I'm with Jimminy, This looks like a furniture store website from the late 90's.
- NotdaBOTTurlokin4
Chuckmonster at VegasTripping.com sums it up very well: "What you see before you on WynnLasVegas.com is not only a representation of Steve Wynn's declining eyesight, but the sheer lack of vision (and courage) by the team he has hired to execute orders." http://www.vegastripping.com/news...
- Eric
...yeah, upon closer review: this site sucks!
- .LAG liked that
lol
- Eric
Nothing wrong w/it being .NET but who designed this thing??? Wynn himself?
- ronin
I didn't even notice the .net thing, but the pure Frontpage style of the site.
- Eric
Wow...that's...ugly doesn't seem to fit. Clunky? And WHY do sites autoplay audio/video? Personal pet peeve.
- caj needs a haircut
Wow ... I'm with CAJ searching for the right words! Serious disconnect!
- LoisMarketing
whoa...that's bad
- JA Castillo
What is this, a wedding processional?
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With fondling?
- Katy S
o_O
- Rollin' in the LB
:) they were just fondling the trophy as it was slow-walked to the podium.
- Katy S
With music.
- Eric
...it's very ceremonial...
- .LAG liked that
It actually reminded me of the exposition of the holy eucharist, though even then there is no stroking or kissing of vessel. The trophy groping did turn my stomach.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
I was grossed out by how they got that nice shiny, clean trophy all covered with fingerprints and mouth prints. But I guess that's how they make it "theirs", so...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Exciting end for a neutral, disappointing for me; could be worse, could be a bandwagon-jumping, Pats-hating, supporter of a team that did stuff all again. Pats need a deep threat and a decent pass D from the draft and we'll be back.
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...see you on FF next season MarkH, assuming FF is still around by then (who knows what happens after the FB IPO)... you've been one of the great contributors to NFL threads here all season. As a huge football fan, I really appreciated it!
- .LAG liked that
Thanks. Same to you LAG; it's been fun again this year.
- Mark H
Ron Paul tells Piers Morgan only ‘honest rape’ merits abortion | The Raw Story - http://www.rawstory.com/rs...
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"In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul was asked whether or not victims of rape should have access to abortion services. He said that while he believes that life begins at the moment of conception, the issue is too complex for him to give an answer that will “satisfy everyone.” In an interview from Las Vegas on Piers Morgan Tonight, Morgan asked whether as a man with daughters and granddaughters, Rep. Paul (R-TX) thinks that abortion is warranted if a woman has been impregnated by a rapist."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
"“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.”"
- Steven Perez
"The candidate was not forthcoming as to precisely how the “story” is different or what constitutes an “honest rape” versus a dishonest one."
- Steven Perez
#GOPClowncar "Honest Rape" from the campaign that brought you "Hate Whitey Day" and a friend of Stormfront, the creepy old gold.guy. But hey he's for legal weed. #WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
- WarLord
I haven't paid the slightest attention to this really big issue (the threat of an imminent war with Iran is more on my mind), but my first interpretation of these words would be that Ron Paul meant a real rape, an actual rape, an honest claim of rape, as opposed to a false claim of rape -- and we do know that false claims of rape do occur. How do you interpret this phrase? It was spoken...
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- Sean McBride
Sean war with Iran is off the table. You're not keeping up. Too busy reading Greenwald I guess. But your guy, Friend of stormfront really is a miserable human being. That's Libertarian selfish i guess or maybe its small town Texas.
- WarLord
WarLord: I get my Mideast news from dozens of the very best sources, including here: http://friendfeed.com/search... You don't know what you are talking about. The Obama administration now believes that there is a high probability that the Israeli government is going to drag the American government into a war against Iran. Catch up with what is going on in the real world.
- Sean McBride
WarLord: do you agree with my interpretation of Paul's awkward phrase? A truthfully reported rape? As opposed to an untruthfully reported rape? Do you really think this is a big deal compared to an Iran War and many other big and pressing issues facing the American people?
- Sean McBride
You are right WarLord, Ron Paul is indeed one of the most disgusting human beings around. He should have his medical license revoked immediately. What a waste of oxygen.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Wonder how this disgrace of a human being would react if his granddaughter would get raped? Fucking hypocrite!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
The quality of intellectual discussion from the left is so elevated and thoughtful these days. Really persuasive.
- Sean McBride
I'm going to let Digby answer you, Sean: "I called this the The Sodomized Virgin Exception, which kindly men like Bill Napoli and Ron Paul will generously allow on occasion. But the fresh faced young virgin had better wander into the emergency room with blood trickling down her legs and bruises all over her body or she's going to be suspect. Lotsa lying bitches out there trying to get...
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- Steven Perez
oh look, a bunch of men arguing about what he meant by honest rape, and whether a woman's right to choose is more or less important than worrying about a war with Iran. smh.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Digby doesn't address the main issue: what did Ron Paul mean by that awkward phrase? With regard to the abortion issue in general: many of the most passionate anti-abortion activists are women. And they are sincere in their beliefs.
- Sean McBride
What about you, Sean?
- Que Sarah Sarah
Sean is like the amateur magician at a kids birthday party: "look over here" "No, don't look there, look over here"
- WarLord
Exactly Sarah. A man has no place or voice, whatsoever, in a woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not. So much for less government intrusion. And yes, let's create a smaller government by having every state (not the federal government, because that is dangerously communist!) decide what is an honest rape! Anyone who believes any of the crock of shit Paul is peddling is severely delusional and mentally handicapped. Then again, this fool does not stand a chance. Thank fuck for that!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
huh? whut? wtf?
- .LAG liked that
I guess what I'm wondering is if "I haven't paid attention to this really big issue..." was meant sarcastically? In other words, Iran is far more important to you? Frankly, the whole "would you make an exception if..." question around abortion troubles me greatly (cont)
- Que Sarah Sarah
I agree with Sean's interpretation of Ron Paul's very unfortunate "honest rape" word choice, but I'm far more upset by the context than the wording. I have nightmares about the idea of my reproductive rights dissolving into this kind of legislative he said she said.
- Que Sarah Sarah
WarLord -- I am somone who gets bored really quickly by dogmatic Republicans and Democrats. Most of them are incapable of independent and original thinking -- it's all the same prepackaged party line and simplistic propaganda on every issue.
- Sean McBride
Que Sarah Sarah -- I strongly support a woman's right to choose in these matters. I disagree with Ron Paul's position on this issue and quite a few other issues. I think Ron Paul has zero chance of affecting US policy on the right to choose. I think Barack Obama has an excellent chance of getting the US involved in a war with Iran that would be much worse than the Iraq War and which would collapse the US economy and cause misery for most Americans. That's where I'm coming from. :)
- Sean McBride
...let's not PNAC, sorry—PANIC—about a war with Iran. all of these things have been foretold...
- .LAG liked that
Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
- Que Sarah Sarah
...and Syria
- .LAG liked that
You know, Sean, people would probably be a bit more sympathetic to your "progressive" hero if he wasn't still hanging around with the rest of the Republican Clown Car that thinks that we should be subdivided by what sex we are, who we worship and what shade our skin is. Also, the crazy things he says don't help much, either.
- Steven Perez
I get a little riled up about this. I'm especially, particularly offended by his "I'm a doctor and therefore..." bullshit. I'm a woman, and therefore, fuck you.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Gotta like a "libertarian" who is in favor of a nanny state dictating to women what their reproductive rights should be. In terms of the future of American society I would argue that a candidate's views on individual rights and the propagation of a misogynistic, racist culture should weigh more heavily on ones decision making.
- Bren
from iPhone
Steven -- I've been the one here who has been trying to get beyond identity politics of all kinds -- haven't you been paying attention? I am interested in how people from all cultural groups can get along creatively and productively on the basis of univeral talent. I don't care about ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. I oppose those who are tying to drag us into the morass of those culture wars.
- Sean McBride
Ron Paul is a joke.
- Victor Ganata
I agree, Victor. But there are, unfortunately, a lot of people who think he's our lord and saviour ...
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
As for the "honest rape" comment, I see that as more of a Freudian slip in the sense that Paul is inadvertently letting us in on his core beliefs vis-a-vis women: that they are not trustworthy, nor are they capable of making rational choices without the guidance of a system that is pre-programmed to negate their essential human-ness. The subtext of misogyny in his comment is clear, that coupled with the legitimate questions about his race-baiting record should end the farce of his campaign.
- Bren
from iPhone
Oh, I have been, Sean. And for every time Paul says something seems to prove his progressive bonifides, I can usually find something else that's been said, either directly by him or under his aegis, that says otherwise. As for waging "culture wars", well, as I've said, he *is* hanging around with Republicans, isn't he?
- Steven Perez
Steven -- Democrats are as guilty of waging culture wars as Republicans. That is why I am not much impressed by either political party. Ron Paul has some major problems, indeed -- I've discussed those problems myself.
- Sean McBride
Bren -- I didn't get that reading from the phrase at all. But if you can support that intrepretation with passages from his writings. maybe you can change my mind.
- Sean McBride
Ah, yes. The Dems and their "culture wars" - insisting on such things as making sure labor practices are fairly applied, making sure that the rights of ethnic minorities aren't sacrificed on the altar of free enterprise, and making sure that women have to right to choose for themselves their own health care. Those dirty, dirty Dems.
- Steven Perez
Granted, such things have slackened since the Dems decided to emulate the example of the GOP and chase corporate money, but still, on the balance, if this be the only choice, I'd rather have the rule of the Party of Benign Neglect over the crushing fist of the Party of the Angry Father Figures. At least, there's a small chance that benign neglect might actually listen when people are marching in the street.
- Steven Perez
Here's the problem with that, Sean: the written word can be edited and shaped after the fact; "off the cuff" remarks, as you call them, speak to a person's true thoughts. I don't need to support my opinion of his words with more of his words. What he said points, in my opinion, to an underlying thought process that is paternalistic and anti-woman. A more appropriate libertarian response...
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- Bren
from iPhone
I've deliberately not read this thread in its entirety, and only glanced at the article...the title alone, and Ron Paul's "honest rape" phrase is all by itself enough to set my teeth on edge for a full day. There is much misogynistic bullshit in those two words alone that belie our Western culture's rape apologia and victim blaming stance to make any suggestion as an "only" for warranting abortion enough to make me want to reach out and touch him. Hard.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Bren -- don't many libertarians take the position that the fetus enjoys human rights? This is a really messy area involving profound philosphical and religious disagreements, and it cuts across the gender divide -- many anti-abortion militants are women. I side with the pro-choice camp and then for the most part try to stay out of the debate.
- Sean McBride
Sean: Last I checked, I live in a secular nation. I know it's a pipe-dream, but I would like to imagine that, as the rights of adults and minors differ, so should the rights of a woman to decide her own reproductive future differ from the rights of an unborn being, regardless of that being's (disputed) status as a "person." I don't believe that religion should play a role whatsoever.
- Bren
from iPhone
Bren -- I am not going to get into this -- I know how this argument goes. There is no clean resolution to it. And I am more worried about other issues.
- Sean McBride
Bren -- I have repeatedly stated that I strongly disagree with Ron Paul on numerous issues, including the abortion issue. My main issues are foreign policy and civil liberties.
- Sean McBride
So then, the only reason you're in this thread is to defend Ron Paul? Even though you disagree with him regarding the topic specifically addressed in this thread?
- Prosey BUTTONS!
That's fine, Sean, but you don't get to choose just the aspects of Paul you like and ignore the rest. As for a concern for civil liberties, I think it's clear that, in his heart, Dr. Paul is in favor of a nanny state to some degree. I don't know to what degree, but does it matter?
- Bren
from iPhone
Well, Ron Paul opposes granting the president the right to assassinate American citizens at will without due process or public notice -- which puts him head and shoulders above Barack Obama on a truly important civil liberties issue.
- Sean McBride
Prosey -- nope -- as a student of language I was curious to figure out what that awkward phrase meant. I think my interpretation makes good sense.
- Sean McBride
He meant it, Sean, exactly as most men interpret it. "Real" rape versus "false" rape. A common trope in our language...the fact that it's completely false doesn't make it any less common.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- if a male family member or loved one of yours was accused of rape -- say a brother, boyfriend, husband or son -- would you be gravely concerned to ascertain whether the rape report was true ("honest") or false ("dishonest")? Would you consider the possibility that the report might be false? I think it's pretty clear on what conceptual and language grid this awkward phrase was situated.
- Sean McBride
It's just not ABOUT that, Sean. Of course she would care. This is about women being put in a position of having to prove themselves and their worth based on some kind of external criteria (were you really raped? was it really nonconsensual? is this really a threat to your life? is the fetus really unviable?), instead of being given the FREEDOM to choose. I know that you already are opposed to RP's position on this, and I'm glad to hear it. And I think this thread has gone far enough off the rails already.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Que Sarah Sarah -- I am trying to understand where anti-abortion activists are coming from on this issue. Why would it matter to them whether the rape report was true or false? I still don't know. But I did just use Google to uncover the fact that 60% of adult Americans want to restrict abortion or ban it altogether -- so this is a huge controversy in contemporary American politics -- much bigger than I thought a few hours ago.
- Sean McBride
Love how he wants government out of our lives.
- Todd Hoff
If you start setting up exceptions (third trimester, "honest" rape, whatever), then you can enforce more and more restrictions. To me, this is of vital importance. I disagree that he can't have any impact, because any president can have a profound impact on whoever is the next appointee to SCOTUS, and that can have a profound impact on me, and more importantly, my daughters. But on the other hand, I'm not too worried about what RP says, because RP is not going to become president.
- Que Sarah Sarah
^ Yep, Sarah...it's all moot anyway.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Actually, it's not necessarily moot. Ron Paul is trying to lay the groundwork for a major new movement in American politics. He could possibly succeed in doing that without winning the election or nomination. It all depends on what unfolds in the coming months. He has acquired much more traction than most people (and certainly I) expected. Many people are really sick to death of both...
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- Sean McBride
If Ron Paul gets elected president in 2012, I will eat all my hats.
- Que Sarah Sarah
It seems obvious to me that he won't even win the nomination -- Mitt Romney has it sewed up. The question is, what will Ron Paul's supporters and sympathizers do next -- this is more about them than him. The issues he has put in play are huge and will long outlive him.
- Sean McBride
I guess. I don't really see that this is something particularly new and different, though.
- Que Sarah Sarah
What is different is this: 1. America is being bankrupted by foreign wars 2. The US budget deficit has reached truly staggering levels. 3. Neoconservatives are systematically dismantling the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and constructing a Soviet-style police state. These factors will probably keep the movement that Ron Paul currently leads energized, in motion and expanding for quite some time.
- Sean McBride
plus ca change...
- Que Sarah Sarah
"This is precisely why I rarely get into political discussions on Friendfeed any more."
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"Because it always devolves into hyperbole and divisive name-calling. So, fine, all Republicans are corporatist racists, all Democrats are Saints who have the best interests of the disadvantaged at heart in everything they do, and all libertarians are obviously the spawn of the devil. There is no gray, only black and white. Interesting that I still haven't heard a single issue where we disagree, but somehow I'm cast as an evildoer because I won't succumb to the labels and generalizations." - Tinfoil Botts 2.0
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Thanks, Jimminy, that's very helpful :p
- Tinfoil 2.0
LOL
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
...usually, some calls someone else a "____ nazi"... and then it's pointless from that moment now..
- .LAG liked that
I rarely get into it, for these reasons, plus the fact there isn't a large enough group of people that have dissenting opinions anymore, so you get ganged up upon. Fuck that shit.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
And honestly it's not just politics. It's religious discussions as well. It's all generalizations and hatred. It kind of makes me sick, especially when these people start off with a better than thou attitude.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I've stopped for the most part, simply because the same divisive parties show up. In fact, I've noticed some recent threads with people I can't even see because I blocked them long ago. Apparently they are still at it. I'm perfectly willing to have a calm, rational discussion.
- Eric
...it *is* an election year, though. i think every four years, people get a little extra revv'ed up for "change"... depending on where they fall in the political, social, and religious spectrums. I understand how you feel, but if not here, where does one discuss these things? because I've rarely seen people talk about these things at the office, or church, or while in line at the supermarket... or even at home.
- .LAG liked that
I came onto FF during 2008, and I loved the political discussion. Certainly a chance to participate with many, many different viewpoints. I think the Internet outlets, in general, have devolved into political name calling more often than not. I had a recent experience on G+ that proved that point.
- Eric
Eric... I think online communities have a tendency to morph into echo chambers... don't know what the tipping point is, but that's how it feels to me
- .LAG liked that
I think that the influential message pushers have figured out marketing on social media. In 2008, it was a pretty new phenom for politics.
- Eric
LAG, when I knew I wasn't going to have to argue with 3+ people simultaneously, by myself (I'm not capable of doing that), that was fine for here, even when it was revved up like 2008 and 2010. So now I do do it mostly with friends either at home, or through Skype. Even when we disagree we can be respectful to each other.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Philippines issues tsunami alert for the islands near the epicenter of a magnitude 6.8 earthquake http://www.cnn.com/2012...
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I thought they said there was NO THREAT of a tsunami.
- Eric
... a 6.8 is a pretty big quake...
- .LAG liked that
I think today's #SuperBowl ads failed to top Apple's 1984 spot—the gold standard—because products like cars, beer, sodas just don't change the world anymore — #BrandBowl
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Does Apple?
- Todd Hoff
...Apple indeed changed the world with the Mac (and before that the Apple II), and again with the iPod, the iPhone, and the iPad... I think Apple is a "first-ballot" Hall-of-Famer... you, Todd?
- .LAG liked that
The 2012 Apple is a lot different than the 1984 version. Ironically so.
- Todd Hoff
...it's early in 2012, but Apple is missing a very, very key player, a visionary...
- .LAG liked that
The most emotional reaction to a commercial this year was the Chrysler ad about Detroit and the halftime in America.
- Eric
...Eric, I agree: the Clint Eastwood/Chrysler spot was excellent. While I don't know Eastwood's exact involvement in that ad, he is a master filmmaker (not just an actor) so if he had a part in making it, it's not surprising it touched a lot of people
- .LAG liked that
"So I think we should only get 3 honks a month on the car horn, because people honk the car horn too much. 3 honks, that's the limit. And then someone cuts you off, you press your horn and nothing happens. You're like 'SHIT, I wish I wouldn't have seen Ricky on the sidewalk!'" —Mitch Hedberg
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...if the booth review comes back saying one of your honks was justified, do you get an extra honk?
- .LAG liked that
I'm extending the olive branch to my fellow football fans. The Patriots are a good team, they just ran out of time.
Stephen Mack, Louis Gray, Janet-The Bottley Crue and .LAG liked that liked this
...yes, they could have won, if given more time. but I strongly feel that the game was defined more on what the Giants did (and didn't do) than what the Patriots did. The Patriots didn't lose. The Giants WON!
- .LAG liked that
I'm trying to channel niceness. :)
- Cristo
That's so sweet of you, Cristo. Almost Christ-like. :^)
- Friar Will (:^)
It's how I hope to be remembered on friendfeed.
- Cristo
...that's a sweeeeeeet Corvette Eli gets for being MVP! nice!
Katy S liked this
Remember 10 years ago when they were giving away that Avalanche hybrid SUV/pickup and the players were like, I really don't want that.
- Eric
...yeah, and the players were getting ripped by the environmentalists too
- .LAG liked that
Sundays are going to be a bit dull for the next few months.
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...the NFL Draft is in about 58 days...
- .LAG liked that
Bill Belichick wouldn't come out to talk. Bucking the NFL rules and being a bad sport. No surprise.
Elena, .LAG liked that and Cristo liked this
What a poor example to younger people...
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
...that's unforgivable. but then, even when he wins, he's not the most interesting interview anyway, let him sulk in the shadows. who cares? he's not going to say anything insightful, controversial or even remotely interesting anyway
- .LAG liked that
OK... so Brady needs a TD... and he doesn't have Randy Moss, or a Gronkowski at full speed... so who's the deep threat?
Brent liked this
OCHO
- Julian
Nobody. Game over. Fucking Giants. Fucking Giants fans.
- Mark H
That's it? 18?
- Eric
...OK, Julian... if OCHO comes through now, that will be the MOST AMAZING FINISH EVER!
- .LAG liked that
LEGENDS will be MADE!!!
- .LAG liked that
THAT'S. A. CATCH!
Yes, unfortunately.
- Mark H
David Tyree... all over again for the Patriots?
- .LAG liked that
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