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Happy Valentine's Day FFriends!
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I'm not usually a big fan of this day, but I had an awesome time celebrating with my family today. I hope y'all had a good one.
- Laura Norvig
from email
Happy Valentine's Day, Laura! <3
- Kelli H.
Intense day at work with two big conference calls. Grabbed some little boxes of chocolate and some cards on my way home from work. Greeted by many balloons, cards, and chocolate. Early dinner out at the best hole in the wall Italian joint I've ever been to. Now watching Winnie the Pooh: A Valentine for You.
- Laura Norvig
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Happy Vday!
- <3Heather<3
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The Spam of the Earth: Withdrawal from Representation http://www.e-flux.com/journal... << So true: we're spamming aliens :) #longreads
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I want to have tons of black ashy babies with Shevonne.
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My name is Akiva. Maybe.
- Akiva
HAVE YOU SEEN HER? She's stunning. Akiva, you're my chick on the side.
- Derrick
She's hot. Let's Indian leg wrestle for her.
- Akiva
x_____x
- Derrick
Well.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
DO NOT GET IN OUR WAY, 3.
- Akiva
Wouldn't dream of it, Akiva. I wouldn't even walk in on the two of you wrestling and say, "I got winner!" I totally wouldn't do that.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
We are unstoppable.
- Akiva
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:-)
- John (bird whisperer)
:-)
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
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WHITNEY HOUSTON DEAD AT 48 - Entertainment & Culture - EBONY - http://www.ebony.com/enterta...
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"She had the he perfect voice, and the perfect image: a gorgeous singer who had sex appeal but was never overtly sexual, who maintained perfect poise. She influenced a generation of younger singers, from Christina Aguilera to Mariah Carey, who when she first came out sounded so much like Houston that many thought it was Houston. But by the end of her career, Houston became a stunning cautionary tale of the toll of drug use. Her album sales plummeted and the hits stopped coming; her once serene image was shattered by a wild demeanor and bizarre public appearances. She confessed to abusing cocaine, marijuana and pills, and her once pristine voice became raspy and hoarse, unable to hit the high notes as she had during her prime. "The biggest devil is me. I'm either my best friend or my worst enemy," Houston told ABC's Diane Sawyer in an infamous 2002 interview with then-husband Brown by her side."
- Anika
from Bookmarklet
whoa
- MoTO Bott
:-((
- Ali Yolcu
I am watching Aliens. http://gomiso.com/r/EKyV
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Extended edition. Hell, yeah.
- Steven Perez
Two thumbs up!
- Kelli H.
Newt's back story!
- Joe The Sausage
It's the only way to be sure.
- WoH: Minding her Botts
WE'RE ON AN EXPRESS ELEVATOR TO HELL. GOING DOWN.
- Steven Perez
Drinking a Rodgers Last Stand by Triple Rock Brewery — http://untappd.com/user...
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Whitney Houston - I'm Every Woman - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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#5myths about white people: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion...
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RT @Norcalrob: There are two kinds of people in the world: givers and takers. The takers may eat better, but the givers sleep better.
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nice!
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Nerd discovers exactly which day was Ice Cube’s “good day” | Andrea Woo | Vancouver - http://andreawoo.wordpress.com/2012...
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I don't do enough with my free time.
- Gabrielle
from Bookmarklet
Oh my, this is amazing and I don't even like that song.
- Anika
♬...shake 'em up! shake 'em up! shake 'em up! shake 'em!..♬
- .LAG liked that
heh
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
awesome
- SteVe C
OK...that was pretty nerdy. :)
- JA Castillo
این فيد رو يکی از دوستان عرزشيمون در مورد بعضی دوستان سبزمون داده/ولی بنظر من
شباهتش به بعضی از عکسای آغا بيشتره/ نه
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این خیلی بی رحمیه! چطور دلتون میاد آقا رو با این موجود گوگولی مقایسه کنید؟؟
- الک دخت
بيرحمی از توئه/.آقا خودشم گوگوليه
- ژان کريستف
من به عنوان یکی از طرفداران محیط زیست اعتراض خودم رو نسبت به توهینی که به این دوزیست محترم شده اعلام می کنم
- Faulty Society
کدوميکی از دوزيست ها منظورتونه قربان/دست چپی يا راستی
- ژان کريستف
نه اشتباه نکنید، دست راستی دو زیست نیست، نوعی ماده مخلوط به حساب میاد که کلونی های باکتری در اون زندگی می کنن و حاصل عمل گوارش جانداران دیگر است، اسمایلی دبیر زیست شناسی 1 نظام جدید
- Faulty Society
فعلا که همين بقول شما کلونی باکتری داره ترتيب جانداران ديگر رو میده
- ژان کريستف
گهی پشت به زین و گهی زین تو پشت
- Faulty Society
- اميرو
لول
- vanik
طفلکی قورباغه ناز. با اجازه دزدیدم بزنم تو صفحه فیس بوکم
- Neda S.
ديگه دزديدن اجاز ه نميخواد که:))
- ژان کريستف
ما دزد مودب هستیم :))
- Neda S.
ها ها ها ها !!
- مــــــیر آرــــشــــ
~ آغا
- ؛ patrick
آقا رو آغا کرديمش رفت
- ژان کريستف
این خیلی باحاله هر بار می بینمش می خندم :)))
- ؛ patrick
جالب نبود .
- pesarehazerjavab
موافقم...اصولا ديدن قيافه آغا زياد جالب نيست
- ژان کريستف
عااالی
- babak ★ eskandar
يه حالی به بعضی ها بديم علی الحساب
- ژان کريستف
cheghadr ghourbagheh khoshgeleh :-)
- Sepi ~ سپی
بر پدر و مادرتان لعنت که دارین از کون سوزیتون میمیرین آقا یه دونه است
- IRANPIROZ
اولاندش که این بالا بنظر میرسه آغا دو تاس نه يدونه...دويمندش که با کامنتی که گذاشتی معلومه ماتحت کی داره میسوزه عزيز دل برادر///بقول حاجيه آژانس شيشه ای..کامنتت هم سوز داشت ..هم دود
- ژان کريستف
بیا بخورش بابا
- IRANPIROZ
ای بابا...سوز و دود که داشتی..به گازو گوز هم افتادی که بخاطر آغا:))..اجرت با رهبر عليلت
- ژان کريستف
تا کور شود آنکه نتوان دید
- IRANPIROZ
IRANPIROZ@ کیر همه ایرانیها توی کون رهبرت.گم شو حالا.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
به قول تورکا گیرر بدبخت اینو نگی چی داری بگی فعلا که شما دارین کونو به باد میدین بهتر دنبال یه وسله دوز باشی آخه سوراخ کونت خیلی گشاد کرده
- IRANPIROZ
کیر خودمو که نگفتم. ⎝ᄽ⏝⏠⎠
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
اصلا داری که راجع بهش داری حرف میزنی
- IRANPIROZ
IRANPIROZ@ بمیر بابا, تو که الان داری به رهبرت کون میدی .بدبخت کون آخوند خور.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
IRANPIROZ@ میخواهی ببینی؟ نگفتم کونی هستی.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
جووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووووون
- IRANPIROZ
داری آتش میگیریا تو یا نتفت حرام بوده یا لقمت حروم بوده8 که این شودی
- IRANPIROZ
بابای جوجو
- IRANPIROZ
لایک سنگین
- فالن
بابای کونی.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
آقا چرا این بابا پيروزه..پوفيوزه چيه ...رو فراری دادين..تاز ه يکی رو پيدا کرده بوديم بهش گاو آهن ببنديم این فيد رو شخم بزنه تعداد بيشتری از دوستان حض بصر ببرن..خيلی نامردين
- ژان کريستف
.زکات علم شير آنست
- ژان کريستف
Poor frog!
- Dracula
خوب واسه دستگرمی با شخم این فيد بازگشت پيروزمندانمون رو خدمت دوستان ا علام کنيم علی الحساب تا بعد
- ژان کريستف
به به
- ممد
welcome back
- ؛ patrick
ارادتمند تمام دوستان
- ژان کريستف
آقا من یه لایک دیگه اینجا اضافه کنم، این فوق العاده س :))
- babak ★ eskandar
.
- اميرو
+++
- سیاوش
...verily, I say to thee...
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خوب.....يه زنگاری از این فيد بزدائيم ببينيم چی میشه
- ژان کريستف
غکسه به رهبر نزیکتره.. :-))))))
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
شخم بمناسبت فرمايشات جديد آغا در مورد فلسطين
- ژان کريستف
چقدر به جا بود این شخم مجدد
- بامداد
:))) قـــوباغه...بووومب
- بامداد
خوب ریدی به برادرای عرزشی
- سام.کیا
برادرای عرزشی گوه سگ.
- ♕Dr. Eynollah شایگان ♕
گاوآهنو بستم به آغا... شخخخم
- عیار
: )))) این چه خوبه. چرا من الان دیدم اینو؟
- Dahri
اصولا ريز میبينی آغا رو
- ژان کريستف
lol
- ساوالان
نمنه ؟
- Prometheus
شخم بمناسبت بيانات آغا
- ژان کريستف
:)))))))))))))خیلی باحال بود.ولی دلت میاد قرباغه به این گوگولی رو؟!!!
- آناهیتا
.آغا خودشم گوگوليه
- ژان کريستف
:)))))))))
- d.agnostic
=))
- فرمد ـــ fremd
يکی از رفقامون هست میگه...دوچتم قويباغه ..بوم///همون ماجراست
- ژان کريستف
WolframAlpha is pretty fucking cool
Bâr-ı Kalem, Jeanine W., Stephen Mack and 7 other people liked this
Definitely. Have you tried its nutrition info? e.g., http://www.wolframalpha.com/input...
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's ALL I have been playing with for the past hour ;)
- Johnny
WolframAlpha is my primary search engine these days unless I'm looking for an article, news, or a blog.
- Akiva
Yeah, I grabbed the app earlier, fun times
- Mo Kargas
LogEx, that is way cool! I didn't realize it dabbled in nutrition. Heck yeah. Now I need a Siri/WA app for Android.
- Josh Haley
This search might leave people confused: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input...
- Josh Haley
WolframAlpha Pro is even prettier fucking coolier
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yeah... what better way to "democratizes data" than charge $4.99 a month ;)
- Johnny
They have to cover costs somehow, but it looks like it will do some pretty awesome stuff. Get a .edu address and it's only $2.99.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Josh made me larf.
- Stephen Mack
I've been beta testing the CDF support and it's pretty neat. Could be better (it's kind of intrusive for now and slow to start up initially) but I like it. Considering how much I use WolframAlpha, I'll definitely be signing up for Pro tomorrow.
- Akiva
The branch of science I distrust the most is nutrition science.
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(Image source: http://www.thefeltsource.com/New-Foo... -- this poster was on my daughter's doctor's wall; I saw it at her 4-year checkup this morning.)
- Stephen Mack
Is it because of the silly cartoons? :)
- Eivind
I mean honestly, the constant reversals and conflicting recommendations and poorly vetted studies and wishy-washy messaging and seeming outright corruption due to influence from agribusiness interests? Demolishes any credibility for me.
- Stephen Mack
Eivind, those too!
- Stephen Mack
Close second: Economics. Sorry, economists!
- Stephen Mack
I think any one study is only a small part of the overall picture and needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Plus I think part of the problem is with how studies are reported – hyping one or two ingredients as "superfoods" or some such thing.
- John (bird whisperer)
I think even economists don't think economics is a science, though. Sad to say, but I think sound nutritional advice cannot be conveyed very easily (and it's not one-size-fits-all anyway) I think the corrupting influence of agribusiness is even worse than the corrupting influence of pharmaceutics.
- Victor Ganata
Nutrition science is a field where everybody is an expert. We all have plenty of experience with eating food, and we have so many personal and second hand anecdotes about what works and what doesn't.
- Eivind
The thing is, there's real robust data out there. It's just not easy to fit onto a poster. What we know opens up even more questions that we can't yet answer. Real science is messy as hell, yo!
- Victor Ganata
My point was supposed to be that in most other fields most people will recognize their non-expert status. That doesn't seem to be the case with nutrition. (I'm a bit exasperated by the Norwegian public debate :) )
- Eivind
Ah. I guess it is like economics in that respect :)
- Victor Ganata
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Art by K. Gill: Self-portrait with a Sandwich on My iPhone (Russet), oil on canvas, 16x20". - http://kgillart.blogspot.com/2012...
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I'm trying to collapse several realities onto one plane in this image. My portrait looks realistic, complete with an illusion of depth, but then on the edges it crumbles, blurs and pixellates. The random online image of a tutoring session shows through, or overlays me like a reflection on glass. Meanwhile, I hold up my phone displaying the random image of a sandwich. I look a little dissatisfied, I guess. The sandwich is pretty and crisp, but I can't eat it. I'll probably never meet the busy people in the photograph. The whole painting is just an image, anyway, which most people will only encounter as another random jpeg on the internet. I would say that it's about dissatisfaction with virtual realities, and blurred boundaries. Maybe it means something different to you. This painting won't be for sale right away. I have to use it for something (which I'll tell everyone about later). When I do post it for sale, I'll let everyone know.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
from Bookmarklet
Hm, I got at least one advance offer from someone to buy this already :) That's always encouraging. It's going on sale in March. I'll explain things more when the time comes.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Kamilah, I think this is awesome.
- Stephen Mack
Love it.
- SAM
Thanks, guys
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Balloon Juice » They Fucking Hate You - http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012...
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"I was a winger for years, and we can discuss that particular psychosis at a later date, but what I can explain to you right now is that they fucking hate you. They just do."
- Steven Perez
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"They hate you because you respect gay people as normal human beings. They hate you because you respect African-Americans as normal human beings. They hate you because you respect Asians, Latinos, and everyone else who isn’t a straight white male. They hate you because you respect a woman’s right to choose. They hate you because you respect the right of people to be with who they love....
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- Steven Perez
"They masquerade their bullshit in the words of Jesus and the all-knowing free market, but it is transparent what motivates them. Not love for their fellow man, not love for their fellow citizen, not love for country- what motivates them is hate for the other. You."
- Steven Perez
"They fucking hate you. They want you, and everyone who speaks for you, and every institution that represents your values, whether it be Planned Parenthood or food banks or ACORN- you name it. They want it destroyed. I just do not understand why more people do not recognize this. The Republicans have declared total war on America, and people are responding like this is politics as...
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- Steven Perez
Who are "they" precisely? Is this a gender, race, religion thing?
- Sean McBride
You might want to try clicking on the link, Sean.
- Steven Perez
I can attest that this is true among some of them. I have been to a couple of Dallas County Republican party meetings, and all they need are sheets and/or armbands.
- ha3rvey ($10 HUGS!!!)
In your own words, who are "they"? What are we talking about precisely? Which groups? Straight white males, for one? Are they the enemy?
- Sean McBride
Since you seem to be struggling with this, Sean, I'll help you out. Look at that first sentence again. The key word there is "winger". As in "wingnut". I think you might be able to figure out the rest from there.
- Steven Perez
Steven -- what political issues matter most to you? The top three in priority order?
- Sean McBride
Ron Paul and libertarians are unAmerican and unpatriotic. All they care about is themselves, as white, privileged men. Everyone else can drop dead for all they care.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Why, Sean? Were the items enumerated above not enough?
- Steven Perez
Steven -- hey, I'll go first: here are my five most important issues in priority order: 1. Avoid more trillion-dollar foreign wars that bankrupt the American economy 2. Defend the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and prevent the formation of a totalitarian police state and military dictatorship in America. 3. Protect the environment from possibly cataclysmic destruction by human...
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- Sean McBride
Steven -- feel free to share your top 5 most important political issues in priority order -- I'm really curious. After all, this is a political forum. If your issues are top secret and not to be shared here, that's fine.
- Sean McBride
Why do those things matter in the context of the article he posted? Seems to me to have positively nothing to do with the point of the article. The choice to share those things or not to share those things isn't a matter of "top secret"...it's a matter of personal choice that really aren't anyone's to insist upon others sharing. More to the point, they're completely irrelevant to the intent of the posted article.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey, they matter because they can distract from the topic at hand.
- Andrew C (✓)
*grinning at Andrew*
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- I think it's useful for participants in political discussion forums to lay out upfront their overall political values, issues and agenda to improve the overall quality of understanding and communication among those participants. Certainly it shouldn't be a requirement to do this, and no one should be nagged about it, but why would any willing member of a political discussion...
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- Sean McBride
I asked Andrew this same question awhile back and he didn't answer. Perhaps he would like to answer now. I would like to know where he and Steven are coming from politically when they express themselves at length in a political forum. I used to think we shared similar values -- now I strongly doubt that. And I think the source of friction here is the relative importance we place on identity politics.
- Sean McBride
It's not about reluctance, it's that it's a transparent attempt to derail the discussion.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
Andrew -- are you really under the impression that these discussions follow any kind of logical progression in relation to the opening posts? :) Seriously: look around you. What are your five most important issues by priority? How do they differ from mine? Do any of our top five issues match? None of them? The differences would explain a great deal about the social dynamics here.
- Sean McBride
Sean, do you think I just wandered into this thread by mistake? Do you honestly think that this is the very first time I've engaged someone in a political discussion online? Seriously, man, I've been here on FriendFeed since the lights were turned on. I'm an admin in this room, for pity's sake. If nothing else, that should tell you that my political views are well known to anyone who...
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- Steven Perez
I think asking what principles, issues and priorities are most important is a very valid question. It's how we come to understand our common ground and our differences. It's much easier for me to appreciate and respect someone's stance on an issue, even if it is 180° different than mine, if I understand that it is motivated by a certain principle or priority. Then you can rationally...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
All well and good, LogEx. Which begs the question: what exactly on that list that Cole made does one *not* agree with?
- Steven Perez
The post is admittedly super-hyperbolic, so there's not really much there to have a rational discussion about.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Having met more than a few of the aforementioned wingers, it's not nearly as hyperbolic as one might think, especially given the track record they've left over the last few decades.
- Steven Perez
Ok, sure, I've met my share of right-wingnuts and left-wingnuts, but generalizing that to All Republicans or All Democrats, i.e., roughly a third to a half of the US population? No thanks. I won't get drawn into partisan politics and meaningless labels. Issues and priorities are what's important, and the principles behind them. And rational and reasonable discussion about them.
- Tinfoil 2.0
But how are we to explain Alan Keyes winning 27% of the vote against Obama without the "crazification factor"?
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
Tinfoil Botts 2.0 -- Exactly! Wonderfully said. Let's figure out our respective political frameworks and how they interact. That is pretty much the main point in conducting any of these discussions -- not to convert others to our point of view.
- Sean McBride
Which bring me back to my question, Sean: exactly what about that list got your dander up?
- Steven Perez
Steven -- I've read many of your posts, but I honestly don't know your top five political issues by priority and how they differ from mine. Why is anyone getting defensive about this question? I don't get it.
- Sean McBride
I, for one, am not defensive. I've been in here for a while, too...much of my proclivities politically are pretty well known, and I feel no need personally to "defend" them, to the point of the posted article. The point of the article spotlights right-wingnuttery...simple as that. We can have different points of view, but what I *haven't* seen is a right wingnut specifically IN this thread arguing any of the (damn near irrefutable) points OF the article.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
But the problem is that much of the political dialog in the US at least is dominated by the extremes. That I believe is intentional, by the political establishment and by the media. That's not what the majority of the population believes. That kind of national dialog divides us. The way forward must be united, compromise, common ground. e.g., Can we agree that: Targeted assassination of...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
Steven -- fair question. Most of the time I am on the same page with impassioned complaints against xenophobia in American culture and politics. This afternoon, for some reason, I was annoyed by the extremity of this passage: "The Republicans have declared total war on America, and people are responding like this is politics as usual. It isn’t. It really isn’t. It’s really all or...
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- Sean McBride
Tinfoil Botts 2.0 -- there we go. I was just able to ascertain that I agree with you on every issue you mentioned. They are all high priority issues for me. So we know from where each of is coming.
- Sean McBride
Your approach is sound, Sean, were it not for two things: (1) the track record of the GOP over the last few decades says that compromise and equanimity are dirty words. I've been watching the GOP since at least high school (late 80's) and nothing they've done since then has shown any attempt to moderate their views. If anything, they regularly throw red meat to an every growing...
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- Steven Perez
The evil and BS isn't exclusive to one party by any stretch of the imagination. The current administration did a 180° from its campaign promises and threw civil liberties (and bits of the Constitution) under the bus. And the Democratic elements of Congress almost threw the internet under the bus (and continues to do so in the guise of ACTA and TPP). The problem isn't one party or the...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
And yet, given that all that you've said is true, one party decided that the best way to perform their duties, in addition to being the usual lying bastards that we expect bought-and-paid-for politicians to be, to dump an extra large pile of rhino dung on those of us who aren't like them. Kinda the same way that a really incompetent fire department not only watches your house burn down, but decides that the best way to put out the fire is by spraying everything down with kerosene.
- Steven Perez
And yet we cheer when "our side" filibusters a bill we don't like, or forbids the other side from doing what they want, or forces the other side to do what they don't want. That's the nature of partisan politics, and it's a trap. It's bread and circuses, and a major distraction from the real problems.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yes, because God forbid that the crazy elements of a corrupt system are forced to do the right thing, like not treating brown people like chattel. That would just be more partisan politics.
- Steven Perez
Exactly Steven. The best thing to do is leave it up to the states. That way those unseemly brown people would move away from the white South and leave all the good christian white folk at peace, like God and Jesus meant it to be when they founded America. Duh!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
The whole "both sides do it" thing is tiresome. Yes, no side is perfect, but there are specific concrete points where they differ and stating that anyone choosing one side in self-interest means they're getting played is patronizing. One of the corollaries of John Cole's post is that they know exactly what they're voting for.
- Victor Ganata
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I remember John Boehner getting elected on a platform of creating jobs, and ever since he was voted in he voted AGAINST any kind of job bill. That's the GOP for ya. And libertarians are even worse, because they all think that the federal government shouldn't do a fucking thing in the first place. America, but mostly its politicans and voters, should buy a clue.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
This is precisely why I rarely get into political discussions on Friendfeed any more. Because it always devolves into hyperbole and divisive name-calling. So, fine, all Republicans are corporatist racists, all Democrats are Saints who have the best interests of the disadvantaged at heart in everything they do, and all libertarians are obviously the spawn of the devil. There is no gray,...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
Just because there are shades of gray doesn't mean both sides are equally bad. And mixing metaphors a bit, standing right in the middle between right and wrong doesn't mean you're extra right because both sides disagree with you.
- Andrew C (✓)
I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. I'm just asking why we can't have a civil, rational, reasonable discussion on the ISSUES that doesn't end up in hyperbole, generalizations, and mud-slinging?
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'll make a deal with you, LogEx. If and when Obama wins relection, and the Republicans impeach him for having a (D) next to his name, I won't remind you that you asked that question. But I will answer it now, though: because it's hard to have a civil discourse on issues when 27% of the electorate thinks that it's only possible to talk to the other side through the use of a baseball bat.
- Steven Perez
The discussion in this thread seems fairly reasonable to me. I don't think anyone here thinks *every* Republican thinks this way. John Cole specifically mentions the extreme right wing. But "both sides do it" is exactly that: an overgeneralization. It dodges the issues actually being brought up: that one party has candidates that articulate positions that are specifically harmful to women, people-of-color, and people in LGBT community in very concrete ways. So, yeah, let's discuss all that.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Victor, I'm all for discussing the issues, but I don't find hyperbole very helpful to keeping things rational. BTW, I never said both sides do it and that makes it the same. I recognize many differences in the parties' modus operandi (or whatever the proper pluralization of that is), but in a sense it's not terribly relevant unless we just want to continue the status quo. Steven, I'm...
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- Tinfoil 2.0
Why do you think it's nothing but hyperbole? You really think it's impossible that there is a segment of the population that thinks this way?
- Victor Ganata
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27% who speak only with bats? Seriously?
- Tinfoil 2.0
As for the differences not being terribly relevant, how is that not exactly a "both sides do it" argument?
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Dismissing hyperbole as a valid method of pointing out fundamental flaws has been a staple of writers since Jonathan Swift. Hell, it's the reason why movies like IDIOCRACY remain cult favorites: it's funny (and sad) because, at some level, it's true.
- Steven Perez
Sure, it's funny, and sad, but it doesn't really help a serious dicsussion find the points of agreement, compromise, and true difference.
- Tinfoil 2.0
As for the baseball bat: http://mediamatters.org/researc...
- Steven Perez
When mainstream media types like Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter use eliminationist rhetoric _and are never disciplined for it_, then yeah, the tone of the national conversation from one side has indeed turned to the eliminationist...
- Andrew C (✓)
Victor, what I'm saying is that the system is broken. One side may abuse it more than the other, but it's just as broken. IMHO, we would be better served in the long run if we work on the underlying corruption and broken process, so that the people can once again have a hope of having a say in what their government does or does not do.
- Tinfoil 2.0
http://blog.buzzflash.com/intervi... "This rhetoric is not simply dehumanizing -- it also characterizes its subject as fit only for elimination, expurgation, exile or extermination. So we get frequent references to them as diseases and vermin, or carriers of them, as well as scum or filth of various kinds. We get spoken wishes to purge them, drive them out, do away with them --...
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- Andrew C (✓)
So Ann Coulter, who is almost universally recognized as an extremist, is now suddenly the archetype for 27% of the population? I don't get it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Sure, ***now*** she is, after she's had her face plastered over every single news outlet for years.
- Steven Perez
The 27% figure comes from Keyes' share of the Keyes-Obama vote. http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005... "Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma...
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- Andrew C (✓)
That 27% number, by the way, was pretty close to what Dubya's final poll numbers put him at.
- Steven Perez
Two more things, and then I'm gonna close the book on this: (1) never confuse party identification for a belief structure. "Conservative" and "Republican" are no more interchangeable than "liberal" and "Democrat", no matter what the Sunday Morning Talk Show Idiot Brigade implies; and (2) if your belief structure does not have a baseline belief that no one is a second-class citizen, that...
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- Steven Perez
I find myself in strong agreement with Tinfoil Botts 2.0's remarks above. Two observations:
- Sean McBride
1. Some Friendfeeders can think outside the box of Republicans vs. Democrats and see the big picture; some can't. I find people who can think outside that simplistic and misleading dualism to be much more intellectually interesting than those who can't. That list of celebrities I posted who like Ron Paul? Most of them are very smart and hard to pin down on their politics. Mainly they...
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- Sean McBride
2. Notice how the agenda of Tinfoil Botts 2.0 revolves around the common interests of *all* Americans -- he's not bogged down in identity or special interest politics -- he is focused on the best interests of Americans and American society as a whole. One angry identity group bashing another angry identity group? Boring. Not productive. Far behind the current American culture curve. Identity politics is divisive, time-wasting and self-ghettoizing.
- Sean McBride
Andrew and Steven: I am still curious: what are your five most important political issues in priority order? How do they differ from mine? 1. Avoid more trillion-dollar foreign wars that bankrupt the American economy 2. Defend the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and prevent the formation of a totalitarian police state and military dictatorship in America. 3. Protect the environment...
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- Sean McBride
Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, Sean. Please tell me that you're getting a commission from the Paul campaign. "Hey, Steve! Tell me what you think about this, this and that!" "Why, I happen to think that this, that, that and this are the most pressing things we need to address in this country!" "What a coincidence! Ron Paul believes that this, that and this are, too! You should totally vote...
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- Steven Perez
Steven -- I don't advocate voting for Ron Paul for president. I advocate pushing his views on foreign policy and civil liberties into the political mainstream as much as possible, in both the Republican and Democratic Parties. Is this concept really so difficult to understand?
- Sean McBride
Yes, and the character of Dexter Morgan looks like a nice, kindly soul who believes in fair play and justice - until you get to the part where he's a serial killer. Seriously, man. Turn it off, already.
- Steven Perez
Steven -- you didn't come close to answering my last question to you -- I don't think you get it. This isn't about Ron Paul -- it's about moving American politics in certain directions on certain policies. Everyone knows that Ron Paul isn't going to win the nomination. But he has pushed debate about bankrupting foreign wars and attacks on basic civil liberties into the mainstream.
- Sean McBride
Steven -- how do your top 5 political issues differ from mine?
- Sean McBride
I see you're hazy on the concept of "turn it off". Let me help you with that.
- Steven Perez
Ron Paul tells Piers Morgan only ‘honest rape’ merits abortion | The Raw Story - http://www.rawstory.com/rs...
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"In an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul was asked whether or not victims of rape should have access to abortion services. He said that while he believes that life begins at the moment of conception, the issue is too complex for him to give an answer that will “satisfy everyone.” In an interview from Las Vegas on Piers Morgan Tonight, Morgan asked whether as a man with daughters and granddaughters, Rep. Paul (R-TX) thinks that abortion is warranted if a woman has been impregnated by a rapist."
- Steven Perez
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"“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.”"
- Steven Perez
"The candidate was not forthcoming as to precisely how the “story” is different or what constitutes an “honest rape” versus a dishonest one."
- Steven Perez
#GOPClowncar "Honest Rape" from the campaign that brought you "Hate Whitey Day" and a friend of Stormfront, the creepy old gold.guy. But hey he's for legal weed. #WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
- WarLord
I haven't paid the slightest attention to this really big issue (the threat of an imminent war with Iran is more on my mind), but my first interpretation of these words would be that Ron Paul meant a real rape, an actual rape, an honest claim of rape, as opposed to a false claim of rape -- and we do know that false claims of rape do occur. How do you interpret this phrase? It was spoken...
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- Sean McBride
Sean war with Iran is off the table. You're not keeping up. Too busy reading Greenwald I guess. But your guy, Friend of stormfront really is a miserable human being. That's Libertarian selfish i guess or maybe its small town Texas.
- WarLord
WarLord: I get my Mideast news from dozens of the very best sources, including here: http://friendfeed.com/search... You don't know what you are talking about. The Obama administration now believes that there is a high probability that the Israeli government is going to drag the American government into a war against Iran. Catch up with what is going on in the real world.
- Sean McBride
WarLord: do you agree with my interpretation of Paul's awkward phrase? A truthfully reported rape? As opposed to an untruthfully reported rape? Do you really think this is a big deal compared to an Iran War and many other big and pressing issues facing the American people?
- Sean McBride
You are right WarLord, Ron Paul is indeed one of the most disgusting human beings around. He should have his medical license revoked immediately. What a waste of oxygen.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Wonder how this disgrace of a human being would react if his granddaughter would get raped? Fucking hypocrite!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
The quality of intellectual discussion from the left is so elevated and thoughtful these days. Really persuasive.
- Sean McBride
I'm going to let Digby answer you, Sean: "I called this the The Sodomized Virgin Exception, which kindly men like Bill Napoli and Ron Paul will generously allow on occasion. But the fresh faced young virgin had better wander into the emergency room with blood trickling down her legs and bruises all over her body or she's going to be suspect. Lotsa lying bitches out there trying to get...
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- Steven Perez
oh look, a bunch of men arguing about what he meant by honest rape, and whether a woman's right to choose is more or less important than worrying about a war with Iran. smh.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Digby doesn't address the main issue: what did Ron Paul mean by that awkward phrase? With regard to the abortion issue in general: many of the most passionate anti-abortion activists are women. And they are sincere in their beliefs.
- Sean McBride
What about you, Sean?
- Que Sarah Sarah
Sean is like the amateur magician at a kids birthday party: "look over here" "No, don't look there, look over here"
- WarLord
Exactly Sarah. A man has no place or voice, whatsoever, in a woman's choice whether to have an abortion or not. So much for less government intrusion. And yes, let's create a smaller government by having every state (not the federal government, because that is dangerously communist!) decide what is an honest rape! Anyone who believes any of the crock of shit Paul is peddling is severely delusional and mentally handicapped. Then again, this fool does not stand a chance. Thank fuck for that!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
huh? whut? wtf?
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I guess what I'm wondering is if "I haven't paid attention to this really big issue..." was meant sarcastically? In other words, Iran is far more important to you? Frankly, the whole "would you make an exception if..." question around abortion troubles me greatly (cont)
- Que Sarah Sarah
I agree with Sean's interpretation of Ron Paul's very unfortunate "honest rape" word choice, but I'm far more upset by the context than the wording. I have nightmares about the idea of my reproductive rights dissolving into this kind of legislative he said she said.
- Que Sarah Sarah
WarLord -- I am somone who gets bored really quickly by dogmatic Republicans and Democrats. Most of them are incapable of independent and original thinking -- it's all the same prepackaged party line and simplistic propaganda on every issue.
- Sean McBride
Que Sarah Sarah -- I strongly support a woman's right to choose in these matters. I disagree with Ron Paul's position on this issue and quite a few other issues. I think Ron Paul has zero chance of affecting US policy on the right to choose. I think Barack Obama has an excellent chance of getting the US involved in a war with Iran that would be much worse than the Iraq War and which would collapse the US economy and cause misery for most Americans. That's where I'm coming from. :)
- Sean McBride
...let's not PNAC, sorry—PANIC—about a war with Iran. all of these things have been foretold...
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Fair enough, thanks for clarifying.
- Que Sarah Sarah
...and Syria
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You know, Sean, people would probably be a bit more sympathetic to your "progressive" hero if he wasn't still hanging around with the rest of the Republican Clown Car that thinks that we should be subdivided by what sex we are, who we worship and what shade our skin is. Also, the crazy things he says don't help much, either.
- Steven Perez
I get a little riled up about this. I'm especially, particularly offended by his "I'm a doctor and therefore..." bullshit. I'm a woman, and therefore, fuck you.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Gotta like a "libertarian" who is in favor of a nanny state dictating to women what their reproductive rights should be. In terms of the future of American society I would argue that a candidate's views on individual rights and the propagation of a misogynistic, racist culture should weigh more heavily on ones decision making.
- Bren
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Steven -- I've been the one here who has been trying to get beyond identity politics of all kinds -- haven't you been paying attention? I am interested in how people from all cultural groups can get along creatively and productively on the basis of univeral talent. I don't care about ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. I oppose those who are tying to drag us into the morass of those culture wars.
- Sean McBride
Ron Paul is a joke.
- Victor Ganata
I agree, Victor. But there are, unfortunately, a lot of people who think he's our lord and saviour ...
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
As for the "honest rape" comment, I see that as more of a Freudian slip in the sense that Paul is inadvertently letting us in on his core beliefs vis-a-vis women: that they are not trustworthy, nor are they capable of making rational choices without the guidance of a system that is pre-programmed to negate their essential human-ness. The subtext of misogyny in his comment is clear, that coupled with the legitimate questions about his race-baiting record should end the farce of his campaign.
- Bren
from iPhone
Oh, I have been, Sean. And for every time Paul says something seems to prove his progressive bonifides, I can usually find something else that's been said, either directly by him or under his aegis, that says otherwise. As for waging "culture wars", well, as I've said, he *is* hanging around with Republicans, isn't he?
- Steven Perez
Steven -- Democrats are as guilty of waging culture wars as Republicans. That is why I am not much impressed by either political party. Ron Paul has some major problems, indeed -- I've discussed those problems myself.
- Sean McBride
Bren -- I didn't get that reading from the phrase at all. But if you can support that intrepretation with passages from his writings. maybe you can change my mind.
- Sean McBride
Ah, yes. The Dems and their "culture wars" - insisting on such things as making sure labor practices are fairly applied, making sure that the rights of ethnic minorities aren't sacrificed on the altar of free enterprise, and making sure that women have to right to choose for themselves their own health care. Those dirty, dirty Dems.
- Steven Perez
Granted, such things have slackened since the Dems decided to emulate the example of the GOP and chase corporate money, but still, on the balance, if this be the only choice, I'd rather have the rule of the Party of Benign Neglect over the crushing fist of the Party of the Angry Father Figures. At least, there's a small chance that benign neglect might actually listen when people are marching in the street.
- Steven Perez
Here's the problem with that, Sean: the written word can be edited and shaped after the fact; "off the cuff" remarks, as you call them, speak to a person's true thoughts. I don't need to support my opinion of his words with more of his words. What he said points, in my opinion, to an underlying thought process that is paternalistic and anti-woman. A more appropriate libertarian response...
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- Bren
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I've deliberately not read this thread in its entirety, and only glanced at the article...the title alone, and Ron Paul's "honest rape" phrase is all by itself enough to set my teeth on edge for a full day. There is much misogynistic bullshit in those two words alone that belie our Western culture's rape apologia and victim blaming stance to make any suggestion as an "only" for warranting abortion enough to make me want to reach out and touch him. Hard.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Bren -- don't many libertarians take the position that the fetus enjoys human rights? This is a really messy area involving profound philosphical and religious disagreements, and it cuts across the gender divide -- many anti-abortion militants are women. I side with the pro-choice camp and then for the most part try to stay out of the debate.
- Sean McBride
Sean: Last I checked, I live in a secular nation. I know it's a pipe-dream, but I would like to imagine that, as the rights of adults and minors differ, so should the rights of a woman to decide her own reproductive future differ from the rights of an unborn being, regardless of that being's (disputed) status as a "person." I don't believe that religion should play a role whatsoever.
- Bren
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Bren -- I am not going to get into this -- I know how this argument goes. There is no clean resolution to it. And I am more worried about other issues.
- Sean McBride
Bren -- I have repeatedly stated that I strongly disagree with Ron Paul on numerous issues, including the abortion issue. My main issues are foreign policy and civil liberties.
- Sean McBride
So then, the only reason you're in this thread is to defend Ron Paul? Even though you disagree with him regarding the topic specifically addressed in this thread?
- Prosey BUTTONS!
That's fine, Sean, but you don't get to choose just the aspects of Paul you like and ignore the rest. As for a concern for civil liberties, I think it's clear that, in his heart, Dr. Paul is in favor of a nanny state to some degree. I don't know to what degree, but does it matter?
- Bren
from iPhone
Well, Ron Paul opposes granting the president the right to assassinate American citizens at will without due process or public notice -- which puts him head and shoulders above Barack Obama on a truly important civil liberties issue.
- Sean McBride
Prosey -- nope -- as a student of language I was curious to figure out what that awkward phrase meant. I think my interpretation makes good sense.
- Sean McBride
He meant it, Sean, exactly as most men interpret it. "Real" rape versus "false" rape. A common trope in our language...the fact that it's completely false doesn't make it any less common.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Prosey -- if a male family member or loved one of yours was accused of rape -- say a brother, boyfriend, husband or son -- would you be gravely concerned to ascertain whether the rape report was true ("honest") or false ("dishonest")? Would you consider the possibility that the report might be false? I think it's pretty clear on what conceptual and language grid this awkward phrase was situated.
- Sean McBride
It's just not ABOUT that, Sean. Of course she would care. This is about women being put in a position of having to prove themselves and their worth based on some kind of external criteria (were you really raped? was it really nonconsensual? is this really a threat to your life? is the fetus really unviable?), instead of being given the FREEDOM to choose. I know that you already are opposed to RP's position on this, and I'm glad to hear it. And I think this thread has gone far enough off the rails already.
- Que Sarah Sarah
Que Sarah Sarah -- I am trying to understand where anti-abortion activists are coming from on this issue. Why would it matter to them whether the rape report was true or false? I still don't know. But I did just use Google to uncover the fact that 60% of adult Americans want to restrict abortion or ban it altogether -- so this is a huge controversy in contemporary American politics -- much bigger than I thought a few hours ago.
- Sean McBride
Love how he wants government out of our lives.
- Todd Hoff
If you start setting up exceptions (third trimester, "honest" rape, whatever), then you can enforce more and more restrictions. To me, this is of vital importance. I disagree that he can't have any impact, because any president can have a profound impact on whoever is the next appointee to SCOTUS, and that can have a profound impact on me, and more importantly, my daughters. But on the other hand, I'm not too worried about what RP says, because RP is not going to become president.
- Que Sarah Sarah
^ Yep, Sarah...it's all moot anyway.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
Actually, it's not necessarily moot. Ron Paul is trying to lay the groundwork for a major new movement in American politics. He could possibly succeed in doing that without winning the election or nomination. It all depends on what unfolds in the coming months. He has acquired much more traction than most people (and certainly I) expected. Many people are really sick to death of both...
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- Sean McBride
If Ron Paul gets elected president in 2012, I will eat all my hats.
- Que Sarah Sarah
It seems obvious to me that he won't even win the nomination -- Mitt Romney has it sewed up. The question is, what will Ron Paul's supporters and sympathizers do next -- this is more about them than him. The issues he has put in play are huge and will long outlive him.
- Sean McBride
I guess. I don't really see that this is something particularly new and different, though.
- Que Sarah Sarah
What is different is this: 1. America is being bankrupted by foreign wars 2. The US budget deficit has reached truly staggering levels. 3. Neoconservatives are systematically dismantling the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and constructing a Soviet-style police state. These factors will probably keep the movement that Ron Paul currently leads energized, in motion and expanding for quite some time.
- Sean McBride
plus ca change...
- Que Sarah Sarah
You do get how "none of the crap you're talking about really matters, what *really* matters is what I want to talk about" could be annoying to some people, right?
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You do get how putting words in people's mouths could be annoying to some people, right?
- Tinfoil 2.0
You understand this is what it sounds like, right?
- Victor Ganata
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What it sounds like to me is that there is a fundamental lack of discussion about principles and priorities.
- Tinfoil 2.0
For example, if I say I have a certain position because my religion demands it, you may disagree, you may even say fine but it has no place in public policy. But at least you will know why I have that position, and may even respect that I can have a differing opinion.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Am I allowed to be confused?
- Eric
I'm fine disagreeing but I will avoid discussions where I feel there isn't due respect given to all parties.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
There's an underlying assumption the some people's principles and priorities are more important than others. Maybe it's not what's meant. But it is what I'm interpreting.
- Victor Ganata
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I can't speak for others, but that's the furthest thing from my intention that I can imagine.
- Tinfoil 2.0
But without *understanding* each others' principles and priorities, it's hard to make progress. In my opinion.
- Tinfoil 2.0
There's also a sense of "you're doing it wrong, this is the right way to do it" that I'm getting. Again, it may not be intended, but I can only tell you what I think and feel.
- Victor Ganata
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All I ever do is state my opinion. There is no right or wrong. Just my frustration of these discussions being like passing ships in the night, without really questioning the underlying assumptions and allowing dissent and gaining true understanding of differing viewpoints. And the craziest part of all of it, we largely agree on the issue positions.
- Tinfoil 2.0
If we don't agree, we don't agree, and there's not much that can be done about that. But I can only imagine that going straight to a meta-level of criticism and argument instead of addressing the concrete issues brought up will only add to everyone's frustration
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
OK, but if we all agree on the outcome, then what's next? Shouldn't it be something like: how do we get there? But even if we don't agree, shouldn't we dig a little deeper to see why, and possibly hold out some hope of common ground or compromise? Or is it better to resign ourselves to perpetual battle with those who hold other views?
- Tinfoil 2.0
What outcome? If there's no agreement, there is no next.
- Victor Ganata
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Where in any of these threads tonight did we ever see significant disagreement on an issue position? I didn't see any.
- Tinfoil 2.0
My impression is that that's mainly because I don't think we ever really directly addressed the issues.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Because we didn't disagree?
- Tinfoil 2.0
I think we do disagree at a deep level. Look, I'll be honest. I think it's legitimate to take the position that the system is broken beyond repair and we need to come up with long-term solutions to replace the current system. Yes, I think it's a legitimate position but that's what I disagree with whole-heartedly. Some us feel threatened that there is a significant faction in the...
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- Victor Ganata
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Fair enough. And clearly these things need to happen simultaneously. We can't ignore the real and present threats to large swaths of the population. But, again IMO, we also can't just keep on voting the same kinds of idiots into office, who have little integrity, won't stand up for the principles we thought they believed in, etc. I wish I knew how to make it change faster, on both counts.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Well, that's the flaw in any system, really--the people who want power probably shouldn't be given it. But not all of us are convinced all politicians are idiots, at least certainly not to the same degree. And there are definite choices available if one subscribes to incrementalism and realpolitik.
- Victor Ganata
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I must admit, I wish I would have watched this show last season now. They have some real talent on the show. http://getglue.com/tv_show... @GetGlue
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rest well, criminals. clean sheet of paper tomorrow.
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