Does this mean you've broken your "stop using Microsoft OS/software" challenge? Or are Microsoft websites excluded?
- Tony Ruscoe
Google's bet on HTML5 and the web is the right one.
- Diego Barros
who gives a tard about Chrome :) Grow up Cutts!
- Jose Fajardo
Matt it works fine on Chrome on Windows. This is the only platform on which a non-beta version of Chrome is available at the moment. You should use only supported browsers like IE8 and Chrome on Windows, Firefox, Safari and Opera on Windows and Mac OS. If you are using a Linux-based distribution, you should get the latest Moonlight binaries and use a supported browser like Firefox or...
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- Lituus Limacon
Silverlight used to work with the Chrome Dev beta. Not sure what changed....
- Roberto Bonini
Tony: Microsoft websites are excluded from my challenge. :)
- Matt Cutts
"Gangs, like death, war, and taxes, have always been with us. They are likely to remain a feature of everyday life. For the most part, gangs have been rather low priority in terms of domestic policy. In America in particular, gangs and other street-level criminal organizations have oscillated between objects of benign neglect and sensationalized panic over criminal ‘super-predators’. The global and foreign policy implications of gangs have been rarely considered. However, a rise in newer, networked ‘third generation gangs’ in increasingly ‘global’ cities means that the street gang is becoming an aspect of foreign policy warranting attention and combined domestic and international cooperation. New criminological theories are also focusing on gangs not as simple products of youthful rebellion or social disorganization but social actors, social bandits, and networked sovereign agents in the global system."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
I'll try to hang more sugar, but the demands of meat space keep ramping up (I'm supposed being doing other stuff even now). Have a safe trip. AND WHERE'S MAH FOOTWEAR???
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Laguardia airport has better net access than my parent's house. Sad, but true. I'm getting them wireless for Christmas.
- Mary Carmen
I hear ya, Barry. I have no footwear today. It is raining like crazy and my shoes are all wet. I promise to do better next week.
- Mary Carmen
#oohgirl at least your parents *have* access. My mother still has the bargain basic cable. $19.99/month. She doesn't even get Sportscenter
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
I dont think I could live without Sportscenter.
- Mary Carmen
and that ^^^^ is one of the reasons I like Mary C.
- Steve
Thanks, Steve. I start my morning and end my day with it. And I like to put it on as background noise if I'm not listening to music.
- Mary Carmen
Oh yeah! Well, I'm here now. How long are you in NYC for?
- Mary Carmen
I'm already back in Dallas, MC. I wish we'd had a chance to meet. I was working in Middletown, NY this week, and I flew into and out of Laguardia.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
Awwww....well, the next time you are headed to NYC, lemme know. It may coincide with a trip. Do you ever come to NC?
- Mary Carmen
I've got a trip to Albany later this month, and I'll be in NYC for two weeks in January. I've been to Charlotte twice in the last year, but that's it.
- ha3rvey (needs soup)
"If orangutans can post photos to Facebook, then toddlers can certainly Twitter. And now they have a prototype gadget for doing that--the Twoddler, a tricked-out Fisher Price Activity Center with pictures of family members and friends attached and an Arduino board inside."
- Lynne d Johnson
from Bookmarklet
They still make the Fisher Price busy centre?
- cecily
Yeah, I think so. I saw something that looked like it at Babies R Us today.
- Lynne d Johnson
Well, its a real take off from flutter-tongue technique (used in jazz performance). Not sure I care for it: beatboxing on a flute is too breathy for me and I was taught classical style to minimize that. He's good...but I think he still has some work on it to go to perfect it.
- Melanie Reed
I thought this was pretty cool. I bet he spits all over the place though.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've had this happen to me. Here is an example of a client I thankfully fired (back in 2000 or so) before I did any work: http://www.lvweddings.com/ My proposed redesign ideas were completely rejected. Feel free to check out how the site has actually *devolved* over time since: http://web.archive.org/web...
- Michael R. Bernstein
I'm psyched b/c having finished part 1 of "CSS: The missing manual", I actually understood what <div> and <p> were!
- Mickey Schafer
@Michael Yeah that's usually what happens. It sucks more when you actually do design the site and it devolves over time.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
...oh man, i have been down this road before.
- .LAG liked that
Just think, now Google can /really/ track all of the sites you visit. Not just websites either. They'll know every site you visit on the Internet for /any/ purpose, including SSH, FTP, Bittorrent, etc.
- Jason Huebel
Not just track, but *technically* modify. All they have to do is assigne a different IP, take the content of the original IP, add their own ads, and they have changed the experience.
- Jesse Stay
I'm not saying that's what they'll do, but they have the power to do so if they have control of that experience
- Jesse Stay
im not seeing much difference using google's dns... meh
- Jay Martinez
Allen's Prediction: By June 2010 - the major ISPs will use Google DNS.
- Allen Stern
@Jay, what difference would there be? It's just DNS. It doesn't do typo correction or redirect to a search/ad page when you enter an invalid domain. It's just Plain Jane DNS.
- Jason Huebel
@jason on the dns page says "speed up your browsing experience"
- Jay Martinez
@Jay, highly unlikely. I get 300ms ping times to OpenDNS (208.67.222.222), whereas Google's DNS ping times are 700-1000ms (8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4). Unless OpenDNS takes more than 700ms to do a DNS lookup and Google returns a lookup instantly, there's no way in hell Google can be faster.
- Jason Huebel
"plain-jane dns" - until Google starts redirecting URLs for ads to their own ad platforms. We'll all be forced back to an IP system to ensure our stuff isn't getting over-written
- Jesse Stay
Allen, not seeing the link you mention
- Jesse Stay
I don't see how this is a good thing. I don't want GOOGLE and EVERYONE to know about every site I visited.
- Jeunelle Foster
*shrug* You gotta trust someone for DNS. Although it certainly doesn't have to be Google.
- Victor Ganata
I don't trust my own Mother & Father and now I should trust DNS. HELL NO ...lmao
- Jeunelle Foster
I mean, the only alternative is to memorize numeric IP addresses, if you really don't trust anyone to provide you DNS.
- Victor Ganata
I think having all DNS lookups in one place (in this case, Google) could be a potential privacy concern. Also, if everyone started using Google DNS for lookups, what if Google had a network outage?
- Jason Huebel
Well, outages are why all OSes that let you access the Internet let you set primary, secondary, and sometimes tertiary DNS. Yeah, I can understand the privacy concern, but how do you know your ISP isn't already doing the same thing? Who CAN you trust? You gotta trust someone. Unless, again, you're memorizing numeric IP addresses.
- Victor Ganata
seems to me like all of the arguments against google dns could be applied just as easily to any other DNS provider. OpenDNS has been offering the same service for a while now, and I haven't hear anybody railing against it.
- Imabug
Too many eggs in an already concentrated basket. I suggested earlier today tools to distribute DNS requests across various services so no one entity knows it all or has it all.
- LogEx
Imabug except that any other DNS provider isn't running the operating system you are running on
- Jesse Stay
Google Latitude heralded it's "we keep no history" when it rolled out. Look at it now. Does anyone really think that Google DNS will remain static?
- LogEx
@jesse I don't see how the OS figures into this. any DNS provider can technically do what you're afraid of regardless of what OS the end user is using.
- Imabug
Good point LogEx and yes distributing it evenly may be the only way to go until they crack down on that too. God nothing is sacred anymore.
- Jeunelle Foster
And of course most people will say well that's how it's gonna be, accept it. However I'm not most people
- Jeunelle Foster
I don't (yet?) see Google as necessarily evil in all this, they know they need to tread carefully to avoid backlash. They are doing everything they can to keep an open web (so they can access content for ads) and to make their stack faster than the next company. But they already have a lot of market power, and a full stack from cloud apps through Chrome browser and OS, down to DNS and backbone infrastructure becomes very powerful.
- LogEx
That's how it starts off like a tired crawling dog but later turns into Cujo - Don't be fooled people
- Jeunelle Foster
Imabug, (read the article) unless Google OS comes prepackaged set up to use Google DNS - the ISP has no control over that
- Jesse Stay
The reality today though is that Google's privacy policy for this DNS is pretty good (and probably better than any ISP), and for now this is just a huge data collection exercise. OpenDNS also has a good privacy policy and you can control some of what they do. But this is definitely an area to keep an eye on, and to develop some user tools to give additional flexibility.
- LogEx
I'm sorry to say that you can expect to kiss your privacy goodbye. The thing most feared will come upon man and he will have to face it or accept it.
- Jeunelle Foster
Well Jeunelle, if I believed all hope was lost, I'd have shut down my computer by now. Where there's a will, there's a way, and that's why it's important for all of us users to keep fighting for open web standards... so that competitive technologies can be innovated and provide choices, and keep incumbents from getting too much information or power to exploit.
- LogEx
I'm OK with that. It's better than being tracked by Turkish government. Here, TTNet (only provider) is directly linked to government, then police. If government asks for a "shutdown", they do it. No Youtube, No Youporn, No nothing, more than 6000 sites are blocked, even RichardDawkins.net ... That's why every single Internet user in Turkey use OpenDNS. They can block OpenDNS too, but...
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- Onur Gündüz
I agree we must fight or else we will become slaves. I just want others to see where this will lead and I have no problem taking their face and sticking it right where they can see the truth. I think if we continue to hold a torch others will form resistance.
- Jeunelle Foster
The problem is that I think privacy and connectivity are inversely proportional to each other. This is the hard lesson of the 21st century. I'm not saying we should just accept it, but there's a price for everything, and if you choose one thing, you have to sacrifice the other.
- Victor Ganata
What we want and what we need are two different things entirely. What we need will keep us alive with reserves. What we want gets us into trouble every freakin time.
- Jeunelle Foster
Victor, I don't think they are mutually exclusive at all, some trade-off perhaps, but users need to have choices. It's not technical issues either. I can clearly see an easy set of current technologies and techniques that would give people additional privacy and security. But awareness is low, and when people go around saying it's hopeless, that unfortunately is contagious.
- LogEx
LogEx, agreed, it's not hopeless, they're not mutually exclusive, but as you say, there's a trade-off. But you can only really choose for yourself, right?
- Victor Ganata
@LogEx...YES and the way we are conditioned by our governments and the media, most become brainwashed that it's hopeless when it doesn't have to be.
- Jeunelle Foster
Great conv. I don't see dns as a problem. DNs should be federated everywhere, no one owning it. I would gladly reinforce the virtual real estate of my favorite sites.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Jesse how do find the time to stay in touch here, on Twitter, your blog, and your work? I'm locked up by walking/blogging, commenting on a dozen or so posts a day, + day job, plus fun project
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
DNS by its nature is somewhat decentralized. But there has always been a lot of trust involved. I don't think Google would be insane enough to break how DNS works.
- Victor Ganata
Mark, e-mail. It all gets pushed to me via e-mail. It doesn't take much time if you stay organized. I only skim the sites when I have time.
- Jesse Stay
I don't think Google would intentionally betray trust but evil will find away through any tiny crevice and can force them to break trust. Our Government and this country is owned by elite terrorist. Are we to believe that they won't own Dns, our records and our privacy too? This is the million dollar question here and one that I don't think any of you have the answer to. Jesus people...
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- Jeunelle Foster
Yeah, but if someone's only appreciation for social media is that it's a vector for their marketing efforts-- that is to say a way to plop their fat brand in my face--I probably don't want to be in their social graph anyway.
- Ross Bennett
it's unfortunate that some approach social media in that inverse way -as a rigid formula or a how-to prescription of strategic vectorizing. they see the tools, but the purpose or genuine intent of the content quality is overlooked.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
"I used to drink Hennessy ... at halftime," Artest said in an interview with the Sporting News, which is publishing the story in its Dec. 7 issue. "I [kept it] in my locker. I'd just walk to the liquor store and get it."
- Steve
from Bookmarklet
Would this pointy-headed nincompoop PLEASE go away?? He keeps doing stupid stuff.
- Kamilah Gill
...well, that explains some of his behavior, but his admitting it now illustrates his lack of judgement. this is the kind of thing you admit AFTER you leave the game.
- .LAG liked that
"When I was a 19-year-old father, whew. I was a single pimp! I was wild," he told the magazine. "A lot of marijuana and alcohol -- even before [that age]. ... I [still] party and I have fun, but not like I used to. I used to drink every night and party every night."
- Steve
I agree LAG, he should be saving this for the tell all book.
- Steve
Exactly! As it stands now, that he's opened his big mouth, anytime he starts acting a little funny on the court, people are going to start looking at him sideways: is this fool drunk, trying to post on me? .LOLz!
- .LAG liked that
"It's not elegant and it's not sexy – it looks like a large photocopier – but the Espresso Book Machine is being billed as the biggest change for the literary world since Gutenberg invented the printing press more than 500 years ago and made the mass production of books possible. Launching today at Blackwell's Charing Cross Road branch in London, the machine prints and binds books on demand in five minutes, while customers wait. Signalling the end, says Blackwell, to the frustration of being told by a bookseller that a title is out of print, or not in stock, the Espresso offers access to almost half a million books, from a facsimile of Lewis Carroll's original manuscript for Alice in Wonderland to Mrs Beeton's Book of Needlework. [...]"
- ianf ⌘
from Bookmarklet
Right now these machines cost a bundle, but, with economies of scale, can "One Hour Bookstores" be far behind? Goodbye print-on-demand, welcome print-on-a-whimsy cottage industry!
- ianf ⌘
The great question is why order from Amazon, when you could pop in and have it made up for you, whilst you wait.
- zeroinfluencer
Perhaps. It rather depends on the range (breadth) of genres and back-order titles in each venue. Traditional publishing is in many senses a license to print money, and so the industry isn't too keen on giving it up. If "Expressoed" copies turn out to be as costly as traditional ones, prospective buyers may opt for better "offline" quality from the big A. Then again, they may not... book...
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- ianf ⌘
Amazon has been using print-on-demand at their processing centers for a while to handle low-volume titles, the logical next step is for it to move out even closer to the end users. Its very similar to the fax machine actually: initially FedEx installed fax machines at their local offices and offered fax as a premium service, sending the fax across the country to the nearest FedEx office...
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- DGentry
Denton, indeed. Thus on-demand is not a product; imagine the use case: I'm about to take a journey. book a flight, it's long haul, so I order a book (profile & recommendations); the book stand at the airport prints it up for me ready for collection on the way through to departure lounge (or collect at departure as business service).
- zeroinfluencer
Yes, Denton, but there always will be that £175.000 threshold such a machine costs, which will limit frequency of their occurrence. Amazon may yet end up the winner, because of the economies of scale in distrubution, esp. if/ when beleaguered traditionals elect to lower their prices to stay afloat. It's tricky business really.
- ianf ⌘
Think of the remix capabilities too. Selection of chapters from different books. Pick and Mix editorial in a book format, lovely. Just in time + bespoke = everyone's happy.
- zeroinfluencer
You can dream, David, but this won't be happening for a long time yet. Simple reason, copyrights. As with daily newspapers where you have to buy it all, but nobody expects you to read it cover to cover, so books are largely made up of parts you will read, those that you might, and those you'll perhaps browse through (all too often, I am afraid). Publishers will not permit selling of just some topical chapters of interest to you, you'll have to buy all the "superfluous" ones as well. Alas.
- ianf ⌘
Bad analogy, also American-parochial one I'm afraid. You do not "subscribe" to chapters of books floating by, you buy a book whether you only intend to read the tasty bits on pages 92-101.
- ianf ⌘
I've been playing around with FriendFeed and this http://www.tabbloid.com/, to get nice productions as PDFs. The source of 'content' will depend on the open licence of creative commons BY-SA, and artists are getting to understand that. Stephen Fry on Twitter for example.
- zeroinfluencer
Consumption/use habits are based upon what the technology of the time allows/affords. DRM tried to play havoc with the watching experience.
- zeroinfluencer
Good concept but, unless you can freely mix-and-match, and you'll never be able to provide just that to general public, a niche product. Even if well executed one, as this seems to me. That said, I dislike PDFs just for the reason that they make potentially dynamic information static, and kowtow to absolute page extent aesthetics even on a screen.
- ianf ⌘
I've read about these "Things Our Friends Have Written On The Internet 2008" which is a niche product with an enormous production cost-to-distribution ratio. Author never says what they charged for the 1000 numbered copies, but I bet it was a bundle, £39.95? Only when there are fully automated tools to do that (perhaps a suitable application for Wolfram/Alpha?) could this become of use for the public @large...
- ianf ⌘
They never charged for the paper - it was an experiment / proof of concept - I've got a copy - it's lovely. Yes, nice inclusion for Alpha.
- zeroinfluencer
Nice (badly hidden envy), but it makes it even more of a vanity project. Tried to look it up on ebay (0 items found), and google for a copy for sale, without much success <http://google.com/search...>
- ianf ⌘
I live VERY CLOSE to this store. If I try it out, I'll take pictures and post!
- Zach Landes
Here's a movie of the EBM 2.0 in action <http://www.youtube.com/watch...>. Perhaps, for a change, you should just walk in, cup in hand, and ask for an "Espresso"? (refill optional). Then curse them loudly for misinforming the public (and photograph that instead!)
- ianf ⌘
I am actually seriously considering doing that. Good idea, ian
- Zach Landes
What would make this a real bonus is when they can come out with the color edition. Ok, so I am thinking comic books here, but what an awesome way for a small comic artist to do on demand comics.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dan, all dandy, except it won't be happening, not in this iteration of EBM. It's strictly publisher-controlled selective-backlist only, no option to come in from the street with print-ready manuscript in hand and do a small print run. Or, should that eventually be on offer, it will be prohibitively expensive.
- ianf ⌘
Hold on, I need to amend the above. In the video at around 50 secs mark, it is claimed that the client CAN upload own file, either electronically or from a CD. That information hasn't been mentioned in any press report about it that I've read - so the EBM can be made to accept non-list matter, but perhaps it is up to the actual machine's owner (in this case either Blackwell's or some...
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- ianf ⌘
Meanwhile, there's a better quality (same as above promotional) video here <http://www.boston.com/video...> and a Boston Globe report of a local Espresso installation says this: »[the bookstore] wanted the new machine to connect the store’s customers to millions of book titles. That part of the business has developed slowly,...
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- ianf ⌘
[^*] an euphemism for "the publishers are demanding extraordinary sums for us making it possible for them to make money off their back catalogs. In effect they want us, the franchiser of the EBM, to commit to sell a minimum # copies/year of each title @ current in-print prices (or some such)."
- ianf ⌘
David, thanks for keeping me posted. It's not a light read though, so, before I embark on it later in the week (alas), could you please express it in High-Concept terms, e.g. what [physical size/ quality] "newspapers" you have in mind; and what this your "service to help people make their own newspapers" will be servicing: a single-point electronic drop-off box perhaps for client material - out comes a pack of 20-or-so 16-page tabloid papers prewrapped for dropping off a van at a stand?
- ianf ⌘
Hey Ian, It's not my project, I just know the guys behind it. (Sorry for the confusion - I mentioned it above as an example of what I was talking about - the process is dissimilar from Purefold). No idea how it's going to roll out - but it's a fine experiment to follow via their blog.
- zeroinfluencer
[December 2] Following up on a post from 27th of April—the Expresso Book Machine [aka #EBM] is prominently featured in this week's BBC World Click programme, a video of which is available for international online viewing, all 11m40s of it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... “[Click: 27 November] How printing on demand services and the internet have enabled anyone to publish their books. Plus, a look at the latest eBook readers.”
- ianf ⌘
Thanks! Weirdly, I was thinking about this thread last night. How are you Ian?
- zeroinfluencer
I know it sounds old fashioned, but if you self-publish that sucka with something like Lulu.com or Blurb.com... I would buy a copy to read.
- Johnny Worthington
The only problem I see is that advertising may not be the best way to make money from it.
- Brian Sullivan
@paul, Is it correct to replace email?
- Hasan Ozgan
Hasan, I don't understand your question.
- Paul Buchheit
A wave-gmail integration sounds like quite the challenge. Perhaps the real-time text updates will happen and will be useful, but I can't see the conversation fragmentation of Wave being a good thing for Gmail.
- Mitch
While I admire the approach of releasing something that's pre-beta, it seems there is quite a risk that people will think, "oh, I tried Wave and didn't get it," and they will not come back to it for a long time.
- Laura Norvig
Laura - Google wants developers in there making cool stuff in the lead-up to the public release. If it were only developers trying out each others tools, things would be stagnant.
- Mitch
I live and work in Gwave - business partner could not access wave due to inferior connections in Manchester and working in docs again was such a backward step!
- Callie O Farrell
That's true, Mitchell, I forgot about all the gadgets people are developing. Also, Gina Trapani pointed out that the one interface that most of us see when we opt in to "try wave" is not the only interface available. I would love to see some samples of simpler/different interfaces.
- Laura Norvig
The fact that Google Wave was not part of Gmail's roadmap and in fact is positioned as "the future of e-mail" was a sign to me that Google is now large enough to suffer the kind of organizational dysfunction that has done in its predecessors. As you mentioned, e-mail will be with us for a long time. It would have been better to position it as "the future of collaboration" and indicate...
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- Dare Obasanjo
There was shortage of wave invites when it came out but now people are waiting to give wave invites. I didn't see any of my friends returning to wave after they used it once. I log into wave everyday just to see if there are any improvements.
- ashish
Paul - Great insights! I too feel Wave is most suited as a team collaboration / productivity tool. The biggest hurdle is loss of context and convo structure. Once the wave team better organizes the UI, then it can go mainstream. Wave integration with gmail would be super cool and highly useful, plus it greatly would speed up user adoption.
- Susan Beebe
I just posted my comment above on your blog, facebook and here - LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
"The chronological flow of the conversation is lost." That's exactly the issue. Playback tries to address it but doesn't quite. I think there are other ways to do this, that will be tried both inside and outside Google. I'm thrilled that Google didn't force the Wave team to be part of Gmail from the start, because that would have added all kinds of unnecessary constraints. This way Wave can try lots of new stuff and Gmail can adopt what sticks.
- Daniel Dulitz
It's Sharepoint started from the web side instead of Office
- Nick Lothian
I had assumed that at some point Google would merge Wave and Gmail. It seems the natural progression. Also, I think the linearity problem will be addressed when they can figure a way to easily mark the new replies so that you can quickly see them - maybe in some from of selectable overlay or view of the wave
- Martha
Don't we think they should merge Gmail and Wave because we don't check our waves as often as our emails? What if we all had a cross-browser and mobile notification system for both Wave and email? Since I have installed the Chrome checker extensions for Wave and Gmail, the question of a merger doesn't make any sense. I can easily email and wave the same way I use Facebook, Friendfeed and...
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- Jérôme Flipo
No, I think Google should merge Gmail and Wave because many times in the middle of an email conversation I wish I had wave functionality. Because the conversation has gotten hard to understand and I want to play it back. Because different subthreads have different people on them for no good reason. Because an idea has turned into a proposal and the words aren't quite right.
- Daniel Dulitz
Here's a specific type of merger I think could work. Wave "merges" with Gmail, GChat, and Docs, in that whenever you create an email/IM/doc you are creating a wave. Anyone can see that wave in its full realtime nonlinear glory from the product Wave. Any wave you have (whether started from Docs or email or...) can be seen in Wave. But Gmail, GChat, Docs, etc. provide only some functions...
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- Daniel Dulitz
@Daniel Dulitz sounds somewhat like how social networking aggregator such as friendfeed works. This way Google wave will aggregate all the activities of gmail,Gchat, docs and other "google activity" in one place.
- ashish
I am not so sure about Gmail or Gchat and how you would integrate them-- as Wave seems to have similar and some cases superior functionality that supplants them but being able to collaborate on the production/editing of Google docs in real time perhaps using Google voice conferencing would be nearing a game changer.
- Brian Sullivan
That would be great, Daniel. But I think it would require *a lot* of work for some teams at Google and some good explanations to users. I'm sure we'll find specific usages for Wave. Personally, I would let the service grow by itself, without complicating other services. Imagine if I start a Wave and some of my friends participate in it through Docs, some other from Gmail: many troubles...
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- Jérôme Flipo
@Dare: I disagree that Wave is evidence of organizational dysfunction (not saying there *is* not such dysfunction, but Wave certainly doesn't prove it). Whether you love it or hate it, and whether or not you think it will be successful, I believe it's evidence of a company that wants to continue to take risks and innovate in the face of organizational momentum. Why wasn't Wave part of...
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- Joel Webber
It seems like the only big issue is the non-linearity of Wave. So, instead of merging other products to offer alternative (somehow), why not let the creator/owner of a Wave choose if blips should be linear?
- Jérôme Flipo
Well Paul, I also think Wave is very clever. Yet I see a few problems regarding the launch process: 1. They launched it exactly like Gmail, by reducing invitation supply & delaying invitation delivery. Yet, unlike an e-mail account and a web based e-mail client this is a collaborative tool that you can not use alone. That's the main reason most influencers and early adopters are...
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- Cem ARGUN
Regarding my proposed merger... I think part of the problem of Wave is that it has too much capability for many people, but real experts (may) like the full-on experience. So let's make everything a wave. Experts interact with those things in Wave or some other full-on experience. But people in the slow lane can interact with _the same wave_ using "views" they are more familiar with --...
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- Daniel Dulitz
Jérôme, in addition to "linearity" there is also the issue of edits versus replies. Also, what do you mean by allowing the creator to choose if blips should be linear? Transforms are sequential today; the whole question is how to extract "(conversational) linearity" from "mere sequence." Linearity is a UI issue. Why allow the creator to specify the reader's UI, instead of leaving it up...
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- Daniel Dulitz
My definition of linearity is rather basic, as is my English :) I meant "non-threaded" conversation, just like here. I think most of the confusion comes from realtime hierarchical conversations: we can't determine easily where the discussion is going at a given moment. As a doc, a Wave must support sub-threads, but as a conversation it may be helpful to oblige participants to respond to...
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- Jérôme Flipo
Keep in mind that's there's a difference between the Wave Protocol/Architecture, and the Wave client, just like there's a difference between SMTP/IMAP and Outlook (vs Gmail). If the UI is not streamlined for a particular use case, then perhaps other clients can be designed which leverage Wave infrastructure, but provide a more optimal experience for a given problem space.
- Ray Cromwell
Jérôme, in my view not even email obliges people to respond only to the most recent email in the thread. Maybe Wave should always show a compressed "timeline" view of every event. Perhaps a very zoomed-out icon of the whole wave in the upper-left corner of the wave, showing its blip structure, nesting, etc., with hotspots everywhere there's a change you haven't read yet. To the right of...
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- Daniel Dulitz
I looked for linkless denunciations of a nameless "information wants to be free crowd" by women writers. Nope. Only men: http://jayrosen.tumblr.com/post...
"The Green Bay Packers are hoping to bolster their postseason chances with a win at Detroit on Thanksgiving. Recent history suggests the Lions will be accommodating hosts. Detroit has lost five straight games on the holiday by an average of 23.4 points since beating the Packers in 2003, and its worst game this season was at Green Bay."
- LANjackal
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I can't top "We Built This City," but "Video Killed the Radio Star" would be good in some situations. Or that "big balls" song from AC/DC.
- Ontario Emperor
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Aaron Neville has an EXTENSIVE catalog of songs to choose from. Instead of Rick Rolling, you can send people to "Neville, Neville, Land."
- Brad Williamson
I'd say Badfinger's 'I Can't Live (If Living Is Without You)'. Better fits the spirit of the meme. Then you can say that you've been FingerRolled which is kind of disturbing.
- Akiva Moskovitz
argh.. now I'm singing "this meme will go on and on" tot he tune of Ms Dion's dirge >.<
- alphaxion
another vote for "Safety Dance"! you can't dream up better lyrics than: "We can dance...if we want to." let's go viral with this FFers!
- .LAG liked that
"Honesty: I never, in my wildest dreams, expected your slow shutter photography to be this crazy-awesome. But 74 of you turned in some humbling shots for this week's Shooting Challenge."
- CW™
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