Debbie take me instead, favorite band of all time. Please please please. Maybe i have seen them once or twice or maybe more but still.
- Steve C
I wish I could take all the PJ friends, but it wasn't my money. I wish you could be there with me. Especially Lindsey and Mark. I'm sorry.... :(
- David Cook
from fftogo
Awwwww I'm just teasing. I got to go to my favorite concert and I'm glad you get to go to yours. Seriously though, where are you sitting?
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Twitter followers is an increasing returns game, like income distribution. This means that the average number of followers is a less useful metric than median number of followers, which is likely significantly lower. (Average will be biased upwards by a small number of uber-popular tweeps, like @scobelizer) I'm guessing median number of followers may be closer to 100 or even 75.
- Richard W. DeVaul
I wonder how many of those followers are shared. In essence, 10 users may follow the same 10 followers, so the messages from the common followers are effectively diluted by being posted to a common audience instead of a more diverse exposure to unique followers, so average of 116 unique users instead of 126. I may be off a bit, but I see it happen with my coworkers- we all follow each other, so I may see the same message 10 or 15 times. Some are RT while others share the same info but in their own words.
- Dan Douglass
are you diffusing somehow? (ie softbox or sheet or something?) you are simply missing diffused light on/for the cover. or was the assignment only using one light?
- Carlos Ayala
I've come to realize there's two ways of doing food photography. 1) You can cook and document as you go, or the final result, etc. or 2) You can assemble a scene from nothing like, on stage, and make it seem as if it was there all along. My teacher who is awesome shoots a LOT of table top, but could care less about food. He might as well be shooting scissors. I've come to realize that I love food and would rather document the stuff I cook.
- Derrick
Carlos, the light on the cover is direct and a hot light, scrimmed down a bit. All of the other light is either diffused or bounced. When I took this shot, I was like seven hours in and didn't care.
- Derrick
We'll be launching Building43 from TechCrunch's headquarters today. We can't fit more people in, but we'll have live video streaming starting at about 4 p.m. Pacific Time today at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- lots of special guests.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Friendfeed plays a huge part in the site, by the way (thanks to Paul Buchheit for all of his help over the weekend). Jason: I think we are actually launching it at 5 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
we'll always support you and love ya rob x
- David Lloyd
Congrats. Just commented on the blog post. I think it's a great movement and I'm looking forward to contributing to it if I can!
- Alexander van Elsas
Can't wait! Here's a good intro video on all this from a local news station who got to interview Robert this week in Blacksburg, VA -- http://www.wdbj7.com/Global...
- Cameron
^^ yeppers, pretty nice intro video, already seen :) :) - I WANT MORE, please :))))
- Ronald
good luck today, can't wait to read (and see video) of more from B43
- erik yuzwa
Well done Robert & Rob L!!! Very excited for all that you guys are doing. Sooooo much potential and ground breaking & practical stuff that is being offered.
- Lyn Graft
Scoble on my question how does Building43 make money: @vedi: we're a cost center right now. I have been on Twitter for more than 900 days and they haven't figured out how to monetize so you gotta give me 900 days to figure it out too. :-)
- Vedran Rudelj
The Scobleizer.com feed to Google Reader is very slow these days. I always find your posts here first.
- Louis Gray
Congrats Robert, looking forward...
- Nir Ben Yona
Louis: that's on purpose. I manually refresh my feed here on friendfeed manually as soon as I post. Why? Because the real time web is important. Google Reader seems old, I find I don't like visiting it anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I consume GReader via Feedly now - if I dont see it on FF first
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: yeah, feedly is doing weird things, though. It keeps posting stuff to Twitter and I can't figure out why or how. Plus I just am addicted to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
eeewww. Just noticed 4 p.m. Pacific Time, is actually 2 a.m my time. Can't we make it 2 hours earlier, LOL.
- Nir Ben Yona
That's true, but getting your post in Google Reader helps me share it.
- Louis Gray
Congratulation Robert, already have a reminder for 7 PM EST tonight to watching the streaming, wish I could be there.
- Kim Landwehr
1st off Thank You Robert Scoble you helped me stay ahead of the curve over the years in what's in the technology pipeline. I am really interested in you latest project because I am that small business that would like to have the 2010 website but have yet to get it past say around 1999 level website. looking forward to the future...
- Jim Beall
Excited! I think this idea is really cool and I'm ready to see some more great interviews and demos similar to what you've been doing in the past. I'll be watching the launch. Good luck!
- Brandon Titus
I know I for one will be *extremely* excited to see this puppy launch :)
- Michelle McGinnis
Congratulation to all the Rackers involved and especially to you, Robert!!! I am sooo looking forward and i am already a big fan!
- Arne Krueger
Robert - YAY, CONGRATS!! woo hoooooo!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, save your applause for when we ship it. You might not like it!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: psyched to finally see and hear about the rest of your Fred Wilson breakfast! Although my lucid moments have been shattered by two recent puppies, I'll support the 43 movement with my best blogging thoughts/links
- Mark Essel
Sounds cool and fun. Looking forward to your launch.
- Michael Williams
Getting closer... very excited for you guys! :) I love Go Live Launchs !!!!
- Susan Beebe
Congrats Robert to you and Rocky! So if i come by the TechCrunch offices without an RSVP can't I just say I'm heard about it on FriendFeed? :)
- Elliott Ng
Nice Job Robert ! Looking forward to hooking up with you in the near future to pursue some paradigm-shifting applications for B23 and RS...
- Mike Schmidt
Hey Robert, fantastic video interview with Fred Wilson. Worth the wait!
- Mark Essel
Congratulations on the launch, looks great!
- Raj Advani
Congratulations! Looking forward to learning from this site!
- Entreprini
Congratulations! (Now you can sleep!)
- Kay Designer
Congratulations! Even though the sites new, it still looks great. I can’t wait to see where you go from here. BTW. I loved the way Loic took over the show at the TechCrunch party. lol
- Michael Fidler
Reading and commenting on this from the Building43 site. Cool.
- Hutch Carpenter
Got a bunch of stuff to do for a huge Friday ahead, but am very excited about guiding our startup alongside the Bldg43 community - starting out with no bad habits and no pre-conceived notions except embracing the new and the best frees us. Looking forward to learning, teaching and sharing. Keep up the great work!
- Matt Weeks
I have a personal feed and occasionally comment... I do read others feeds quite a bit. creating a room like this for an event I thought might be a fun idea.
- Brad Coy
how do I 'like' something - I can't find the button.
- kerry
Just for kicks, this week I fired up the oldest URL (2002) I still hold as a casual tumblelog. I'm looking to follow some FriendFeeders. Represent!
- Chris Baskind
I just signed up, will work on transferring my shares from enjoysthin.gs over. http://jcunwired.tumblr.com - nothing up yet, but feel free to follow.
- jcunwired
http://simon-wicks.tumblr.com/ Only just set it back up yesterday, went unused and forgotten about for a while just dragging stuff in and linked it in to FF yesterday.
- Simon Wicks
got one but not worth a mention. Anyway, surprised that so many friendfeeders have both regular blogs, high activity on FF and tumblr blogs..... either you guys have crazy interesting lives, or you need to get one ;-)
- Peter Efland
agreed clarke, peter's right on - my most active "services" are flickr and friendfeed, everything else is mostly interacted w/ briefly or via automation (which is what my tumblr is)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Jesse: a lot of businesses here rely on advertising. So, in part, yes. And as Google goes so does the valley. They have a huge impact here on a raft of things.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: no, but Google is a huge bellweather of how all these advertising-focused businesses might do.
- Robert Scoble
I'm listening to the earning call right now to see what they say. I also have my screens all aimed at Google, including a secret news tool that is showing me news reports in near real time.
- Robert Scoble
Robert has a prototype direct neural interface. Very hush hush. It plugs into the back of his skull and force-feeds information directly into the neurons faster than his eyes would be able to read it. How do you think he manages to follow tens of thousands of people?
- DGentry
Google earning call. We're still in "uncharted territory" in terms of economy.
- Robert Scoble
What do folks who run adwords campaigns feel? I don't run many, but the ones I do are lagging behind 2008 and 2007 in terms of both search volume, and consequently search expenses. Thoughts from others?
- Patrick Boegel
Real time rocks for these kinds of things. Got audio of the call playing. Friendfeed playing. Secret news tool playing.
- Robert Scoble
Wonder how much Google Apps subs generate..
- Jérôme Flipo
Patrick: Google called a little under a year ago and helped us reduce our costs for ads by half. After that we had less than a 10% decrease / month in leads for 2008. The last few weeks of this year were abnormally slow, but we are on track to meet or beat last year.
- Chip Ramsey
Do they have to say how much they plan to dedicate to Google Venture?
- Jérôme Flipo
Is that BBC report right? $1.42bn net profit for the quarter? $1.42bn in 3 MONTHS?
- Andy Kruger
Very interesting search queries stats: "Google searches on foreclosures are up 42% year-over-year. [Bankruptcy] is up 53%, while “unemployment” has more than doubled. There are also increases in education, self-help, spirituality, alcohol and gambling."
- Jérôme Flipo
stock has retreated back down to $395 now
- Robert Kwok
I suspect google is making moves in mobile not because they made mobile search better, but because Apple (webkit) and RIM made browsers better so people are using their desktop habits on the phone.
- felix
Aaron: go to the old UI and hide there.
- Robert Scoble
Felix: maybe they also contributed to that with Android ("more than 8% of mobile browsing is done through Android, second only to Apple’s iPhone").
- Jérôme Flipo
"I'm generally very open to new technologies. I blog. I Twitter. While I don't have an iPhone (yet), I am perfectly sympathetic to people who feel the need to read CNN.com headlines during movie previews. This, however, has me scratching me head: A "Pizza Cam" from Santa Clara, California-based Party Pizza pizzeria. You order your pizza, then log in to the "Dough Cam," "Kitchen Cam" and "Oven Cam" to watch your pizza in various stages of gestation. You can even get a Pizza Cam app for your iPhone."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
haha, wow that is pretty wild D... now I am craving a pizza!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I'm trying to be good NK, and cook at home tonight. I've been 1) Eating poorly and I can feel it and 2) Eating out way too much, which is just expensive. Roasting a chicken, steaming up a medley of Asian veggies, and doing something with some red potatoes. Probably smashing/pan-frying with herbs and garlic.
- Derrick
It's too bad that you need an account to see pizzas being made. They could capture a larger market if they opened the cam to everyone.
- Tamar Weinberg
If it can be done, I guess it will be. Not much use for me, as I almost never eat Pizza, and never the chain ones. I don't think the one or two local places I go occasionally, will get this technology any time soon.
- Ian May
I'm sure some activists aren't happy about that.
- Richard A.
I like examples of unaccompanied cameras watching food in work.
- Bernie Goldbach
damn...I just want to lick the screen. Oh...look at that, it's almost 12:30 p.m.! I am late for lunch!
- JA Castillo
This takes what dominos does one step further. They just tell you the stages: It's being prepared, It's in the Oven, It's Going Out the Door. Not sure I'd mine actually seeing it being made. Great idea! At least you'll know what they do after they drop your pie while tossing it.
- Lynne d Johnson
Free security, in a way, to make sure the pizza workers do their jobs because they know the public is watching. Wow, talk about Big Brother huh?
- Rick Cogley
Dude, I am so glad there was no camera on the folks I was working with...You honestly don't want this.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Thank you for being one of the many customers who have brought to our attention a series of videos that were posted on YouTube and other websites. We are appalled by the actions of these individuals and they do not represent the 125,000 hard-working men and women of Domino's Pizza across the country and in 60 countries around the world. During our investigation last night, we were able...
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- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Let me get this straight: Tyrese Gibson, a guy whose had to deal with gossip about him being gay IRL, decided to play an angry homosexual convict. He's either really stupid or the greatest political satirist of our generation.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Wait a minute. What women's prison has supermodels like these housed there? Cuz I really want to visit THAT prison. Also, I want a unicorn.
- Steven Perez
from IM
lol it's like that scene in Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back
- Neal Jansons
I think Case forgot something ...
- Steven Perez
from IM
Um yeah, unless they were arrested for being hot, that is not an accurate representation of what women from prison look like. XD
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
WHAT IN TARNATION IS GOING ON HERE! DID YOU KIDS BREAK IN TO MY HOOCH AG'IN? Y'ALL ARE FIXIN' TA GET WHOOPED! YOU THERE, MR. LOYLESS, YA GIT ON HOME TO YA PAPPY AND ME AND HIM WILL BE HAVIN' SOME WORDS...STEVEN, YOU MISBEHAVIN' GOOD FER NOTHIN'! YOU GET ON TE THA HICKORY TREE OUT BACK AND BRING ME BACK A GOOD SWITCH! WE'S GONNA LEARN YA TO STEAL MY HOOCH!
- Alex Scoble
Ummm, if no one has any money in the future, how can anyone watch the PPV?!?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Holy crap. Alex has been in the moonshine again.
- Steven Perez
from IM
And you're right. That movie was crap ... ALL KINDS OF HAWT CHEESY CRAP!
- Steven Perez
from IM
OH definitely, it was a perfect no-brainer popcorn film. Lots of explosions and crazy over-the-top deaths. Acting was horrible, but fight and car scenes were awesome
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
netvista, do you really need Feedly though? What are you getting there that you aren't on FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
BTW, this was my first test of FriendFeed's PUB-SUP support. Not bad! Not completely immediate though.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, actually i find your article by TweetDeck. I follow you. then i read this article in feedly, i subscribe you too. In FF, the content flow so quickly, i can't watch it all the time. Maybe l will lose some interesting thing because of real time updating.
- netvista
netvista, my recommendation is to take advantage of the filters on the right. You can add certain people to lists. My main rule for my "favorites" list is they have to be someone I would have subscribed to their blog under before. Yes, you miss some stuff, but the more interesting stuff always bubbles back up to the top. It's not for everyone though.
- Jesse Stay
One apparent problem I can see is that you still need people discovering content. By relying on other people to filter the web for you there's a chance that things will get missed. For example, in the old friendfeed there was an option to show only tweets with likes or comments. That is great to cut down on noise, but if everyone used this feature, there wouldn't be any tweets in anyone's stream! RSS is analogous in that if everyone was reading content based on a social lens/filter, nothing would get found.
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, when I say "filter", I mean more of a list. You should start with various lists, such as "news bloggers", "favorites", "everyone but scoble", etc. Even if there aren't likes, you still discover content. The majority of my finds come from my "favorites" list, and I continually add and remove interesting people from it all the time. You can then add filters on top of that to make it even easier to find stuff.
- Jesse Stay
But don't most of those get piped into friendfeed via RSS? I guess I misinterpreted you point. Is it that the old paradigm of sifting through an rss reader is dead? cause i can see where you're coming from there. However, there are some items that arent popular on friendfeed that i still need to hit my reader to find :)
- Frankie Warren
Frankie, perhaps I should have been more clear that the Reader is dead. However, even RSS isn't fully necessary any more. For instance, this entry on FriendFeed itself was sent to FriendFeed not via RSS, but rather PUB-SUP, a more real-time push protocol FriendFeed has come up with.
- Jesse Stay
jesse: haha. "the more interesting stuff always bubbles back up to the top". i think it's not really true. When some topic is ending, then they missed forever. just like that: "One big difference between Twitter and friendfeed" by Robert Scoble. I use filter comments:50, likes:10 finding it again.
- netvista
Ah ok... and i know that when i said "dead" that it was stronger language than you used in the post. Thanks for pointing out pub-sub im going to research that a little more.
- Frankie Warren
netvista, in the last 2-3 weeks I have yet to miss anything I regretted missing.
- Jesse Stay
I replaced Reader with Twitter almost a year ago. I check in on a few things ever once in a while, but otherwise I don't feel that I missed anything. And now I'm replacing Twitter with FriendFeed. The conversations on FriendFeed make it much more interesting.
- Matt Griffith
And thanks to this post I finally got around to creating imaginary friends for the few RSS feeds I still cared about.
- Matt Griffith
I really like the fact that the first line that appears under the title is "Hi - you seem to be new here. If you like what you see, please give back by subscribing to my RSS feed!" :-D
- Ken Sheppardson
My wife, who doesn't quite get the fascination with blogs/twitter et al, just informed me that she will be subscribing to this blog because of her love for cilantro. You did good.
- Bryan R. Adams
Yes, it is. Apparently you can look stuff up on the interwebz - who knew? And yes - coriander is teh nommy
- WorldofHiglet
nay, it is your palate that is destroyed from eating all that soapy herb, I am afraid to say. EFF CILANTRO.
- holly
Clearly, holly, you have been infected by zombies. Here, have some carne asada ... :D
- Steven Perez
Who knew that one could be so passionate about Cilantro!?!?! I mean...I love it also, but really? REALLY???
- Greg
Cilantro when you eat the leaves and stems. Coriander is the dried seeds and has a completely different flavor. Luckily, cilantro goes to seed easily so you can get double duty from one plant.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I have a dream - to open a restaurant called Cilantro. Every dish with it! :)
- felix
from BuddyFeed
Tina: in England it's called coriander in all its forms. I first was introduced to it when I started going to Indian restaurants - mmmmm, mushroom balti!
- WorldofHiglet
i agree with this. if you don't like cilantro you're most likely an a-hole. an EX girlfriend of mine didn't like cilantro. that asshole!
- Cee Bee
"This month, PepsiCo is going to reintroduce what it calls "throwback" products, versions of its Pepsi and Mountain Dew soft drinks that use natural sugar as a sweetener, and will be using retro designs on the cans. The limited-edition launch, which PepsiCo's marketing chief has said is "about yearning for the past", comes on the heels of a similar limited-time experiment by General Mills, maker of Cheerios and Cocoa Puffs, which adorned its cereal boxes with designs last seen in the Nineties, Eighties and even Sixties. What on earth is going on?"
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"The industry learnt a lesson when PepsiCo-owned Tropicana, the orange juice drink, modernised its packaging at the start of the year, only to cause a consumer backlash and a plunge in sales. It reverted back within weeks. "People just revolted," said Mr Collins. "'Can't someone just leave something alone! I'm really happy with my orange juice!' The world is undergoing so many seismic...
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- RAPatton
Didn't the character Adrian Veidt do a whole monologue on retro advertising in "Watchmen"?
- Andrew C
"Poet, painter, co-founder of City Lights, and North Beach's most famous resident, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, turns 90 today. And did you know that he wants to turn a small block of Vallejo Street into a piazza? The Piazza Saint Francis, he calls it. According to Streetsblog, Ferlinghetti would work with Angela Alioto and Francis Ford Coppola to create some sort of "Italian-style piazza, with inscriptions on the paving stones from up to 30 or 40 authors." We think this is a swell idea. Considering the massive amount of foot traffic in North Beach, more public space would be a boon to the neighborhood. But the $3.5 million price tag on the project is a huge hurdle, so private funds will be needed. Read more about it here." - I like this idea too.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
from Bookmarklet
2. You can't "thread" and "capture" a conversation, like I can here.
- Robert Scoble
3. Most people on Twitter that are joining lately are not people who participate. Compare @ev's followers to mine.
- Robert Scoble
true... very true. Although when used appropriately, Twitter is very powerful.
- Jonathan Beckett
4. Twitter's expected usage is "what are you doing?" Not "what would you like to chat with your friends?" Whenever I try to break that usage I get tons of hate DMs and tons of unfollows.
- Robert Scoble
i still have 2 reasons. the first one is that wa have other solution if we want to discuss about all and nothing, the tchat our DM for example and te second one is that twitter is to propose interested news about different interested subjects (it is better :) ) and not to give personal informations
- Alice Cordonnier
5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself).
- Robert Scoble
Jonathan: Twitter is great for attracting attention to something, or just sending out a general update. For actually going into any detail at all about something, however, it's sorely lacking, and not just because of the 140 character limit.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jonathan: Twitter is great for going back and forth about twice. If you want to get really involved it really really sucks. It pisses off all your other followers. DM's would be fun, but you can only DM people who follow you. Makes that worthless to use for a lot of people.
- Robert Scoble
Re. to 4: Interestingly, I really enjoy those conversations that form on Twitter, I start click the "In reply to..." all the time and I end up seeing the twitter pages of new, interesting people.
- Javier Altman
Finally, if you get to 1,000 followers or more (like many of my friends), you'll miss a lot of stuff and so the conversation might be disjointed.
- Robert Scoble
First one, impossible to keep track of conversations, 2 user engagement is low 3. Information value is negligible.
- Richard A.
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME discovery tool. Yes. But it is a CRAPPY conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. which is why I use twitter as I do.
- Richard A.
That is true, as purely conversational in anything that is more than 1 or 2 messages in "depth" or "length" or whatever you wanna call it, it's quite terrible. Also, I find that if you follow too many people, then every single "conversation" is impossible to follow. I'm following 200 people, and that's hard to manage and follow some times.
- Javier Altman
Agreed. Twitter is a great platform for spreading knowledge, not for idle back & forth chit chat.
- David Lanning
Javier: Twitter is an AWESOME listening tool (especially if you have TweetDeck) because you can listen to lots of people on specific topics (thanks to search). It's also an AWESOME promotional tool (look how Mashable is using Twitter) but it's a horrid conversation tool.
- Robert Scoble
David. Spreading knowledge? A hyperlink with no real description? No value to me. I want to know why someone is linking to something.
- Richard A.
David: I wouldn't go that far. Out of 10,000 Tweets 9,996 are pretty stupid. Should I give you some examples?
- Robert Scoble
I find I get a lot smarter by using Google Reader and following some people who put some thought into blogging. Friendfeed and twitter are NOT places I typically find deep thoughts unless it's from someone like Tim O'Reilly, Jay Rosen, or Dave Winer and they both are always linking out to interesting stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. I really like how twitter used to be "awesome" as a conversational tool in the past. Now though people have far less time for the site.
- Richard A.
I definitely agree on that, Robert. Too bad Twitter has become so centralized and developed a "star system" so quickly... a ton of people with interesting things to say are simply lost in the cloud left in the wake of @kevinrose or @levarburton, you know? The big guys get listened to and usually have little of interest to say -- the smaller guys with actual content worth your time are never heard of.
- Javier Altman
Robert, yo're right on that. But why is Twitter having such a success? I reach way more people on Twitter than on FF. Although I like FF so much more.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Javier, the little guys are the community builders, their engagement provides the dynamics the timeline needs to keep people engaged.
- Richard A.
Threaded conversations are needed on Twitter. Becomes increasingly painful to understand what people are referring to sometimes
- Paul Papadimitriou
Ryo: Twitter is way older and is further along the growth curve. Friendfeed also requires more work and more engagement. Look at all the icons on the people who are following me here (or that I'm following). Now compare those icons to the ones of the users in @ev's account. Not even close to the same kinds of users. I'd rather have one friendfeed user than 100 twitterers. Watch over the next year and you'll see what I'm seeing.
- Robert Scoble
Javier: Sometimes what those big folk say is something people do want to hear, though. Levar Burton had a big tweetup in Toronto at the beginning of the week, with only an hour's notice on Twitter. Friend of mine got to meet him, blogged about it, and had his server crash under the load when Burton linked to the post in Twitter. But yeah, things of note from the celebs are usually pretty rare. (The post that caused the crash: http://imaddicted.ca/interne... )
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Conversation certainly is easier here both to follow and understand. Less chance of being unfollowed for saying something out of context or annoying new users.
- Pete Gilbert
Chris: and Levar is one of the real celebrities who actually engages a community. I met him at CES. Really great guy.
- Robert Scoble
If Twitter wants to be a great conversation tool, they should figure some way to spin out conversations from the tweet streams of the conversationalists (and I don't mean DMs). That they don't seem to be bothering with that is another strike against the service, at least in my books.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Richard: I don't see how much community can be built when your word isn't reaching anyone -- that's how I feel twitter is working lately, what you say gets missed in the cloud.
- Javier Altman
I think that we havn't to blame any service that offer a rest api, if there is some kind of lake in some feature then innovate, the main element to get in mind is to avoid redenduncy.
- abdellah
@Chris: Maybe LeVar wasn't the best example, of course Geordi LaForge would have something interesting to say :D
- Javier Altman
Javier I have written quite a few blog posts about twitter and community building because of how frustrated I am by how passive the site has become. All those I used to follow are now following thousands. They no longer focus on friends anymore. I agree with you.
- Richard A.
@Chris: I think that if the web interface for Twitter somehow added the "in reply to's.." that are chained together onto a collapsible tab below a particular, original tweet on the timeline, the problem would be solved.
- Javier Altman
@Richard: Exactly, that's why I actually went back the other day and started un-following people. I want to focus my attention, and hopefully that will trickle down to others in my stream.
- Javier Altman
Brilliant and I was angry with you, silly me :). Twitter is more or less like a group IM. Mirco-blogging not so much.
- Chirag Chamoli
Javier, Because I did the same thing I had 11 pages of conversation in twelve hours. I was quite happy with that result. :-), made twitter feel vibrant once more. I like feeling that people want to engage for more than one message at a time.
- Richard A.
Ooh.. I don't know about this Scobs... I use FF and Twitter, but I have learned a lot, met some Great people, AND had some great conversations on Twitter, whether by tweets or DM. I do agree that FF is a more advanced version of Twitter, but I also agree that you have more "reach" on Twitter. I think Twitter a combo of conversation, info sharing (NOT just linking all the time), and connecting; at least until FF can get more "mainstream." The phone's still always good for conversations. :)
- Just OOH
Martin Schecter says I'm wrong: http://www.commonmistakesblog.com/2009... -- but this is something he can not do on Twitter (join together lots of little pieces into one whole). Give it up, Twitter sucks for conversations and building knowledge on a topic. Quick, go to Twitter search and find all Tweets on this conversation. You can't. Don't even try.
- Robert Scoble
Just Out Of Home: Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter. You haven't really used them if you believe that.
- Robert Scoble
what about app that offer to create twitter users group?!!
- abdellah
I actually see a use case for both. As a pure broadcasting channel Twitter is great, many people don´t even care about @replies. All they care about is that many people hear what they have to say. A conversation can and will never happen nicely on Twitter, not only because of the technical limitations but in my opinion also because of the different user structure. Twitter will stay popular but will also get polluted more and more. FF might be able to grow with a different user base towards something bigger.
- Bastian
I personally find Friendfeed quite daunting. I like the simplicity of Twitter, it's "shoot and forget"-ness, so to speak. Friendfeed is more involved, which helps for conversations, but because everything is linked together in a feed, it can get unmanageable quite quickly. That said, Twitter is obviously imperfect as well.
- Javier Altman
Bastian: exactly. Twitter is a "pure broadcasting channel." It's stunningly awesome for that.
- Robert Scoble
Bastian, if you want subscribers get an RSS feed, easier to sort by source.
- Richard A.
"Friendfeed is totally different than Twitter" - then I'd love to know why both continue to be thrown into battle against each other. Can't they just co-exist?
- Shawn Farner
Javier: right. But that's why your engagement here will increase over time and on Twitter yours will decrease over time. By the way, Facebook is seeing a ton more engagement (per user) than Twitter is. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
Friendefeed is a web forum based around RSS aggregation. We use feedly to find the articles, say why we're think they're interesting and people decide whether to pay attention according to that. Twitter makes that much harder to do.
- Richard A.
Adding threading, groups, rich DM, would turn twitter into an IRC-meme product, useless. twitter is more a broadcasting product and needs to focus on search, trends, more than interaction
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
from Nambu
simply because they take it seriousely, remember friend real life one are watching
- abdellah
seriously the most ridiculous is their trend :) have you take time to see twitter trend?
- abdellah
Robert: I think Facebook is a different creature altogether -- The engagement could stem from IM-ing, or maybe from the silly apps and quizzes you take in it. I personally don't like Facebook, I rarely go in there, and only update the status by having my Twitter linked to it. And I have to disagree, my engagement is still on Twitter more than Friendfeed, and I haven't seen any particular increase or decrease there. Sure, topics like this keep me refreshing the page, but that happens on Forums too :)
- Javier Altman
Robert: Facebook is like Friendfeed. we share our personal images with friends (when not web celebs) share blog posts, comments about small things. It's a more intimate community. There is a lot of common ground.
- Richard A.
Javier: you really need to sit down with me sometime and I'll show you why facebook is so much more engaging. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about. YOUR engagement might be high. I'm talking about the aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
I have been using both for awhile; per your suggestion actually. I might not be the master of this stuff, but I think it's not really a matter of belief; more to do with how you (an individual) want to use both sites. Like I said, I like Friendfeed more and wish more people I know use it, but it's really up to the person, no? I've been quite happy in terms of how I use both, granted FF is far more organized, and also has more reach if you know how to use it right.
- Just OOH
Robert: might be hard to do from Argentina to California, but I'm game :D But seriously, can you expound on the aggregate?
- Javier Altman
i want more of my face to face friends here too, but they aren't so tech or early adopters. if they are here, not to participate - just stream. educating the general public on value here will make this stand out more.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney: they will come. Twitter had the same feel to it two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
"Aggregation"-wise yes. I agree that FF is FAR more better/advanced than Twitter.
- Just OOH
Courtney. They're on Facebook though right? Just use the status messages as a form of twitter. It's just as versatile as twitter itself.
- Richard A.
from my point of view, FF is more personal, because as some oy you said, we can post fotos, we can play some games, it is for me a distraction, Twitter is more profitable to find interested people who work on your market or have the same interests on particular subjects. That's why i make a big difference btw both sites, the contents i put is totaly opposite
- Alice Cordonnier
Robert Llewellyn is another one who's really into it as well he talks back to the twitterers (okay, he was teasing me about knowing about red dwarf 9, but you know) and he's big into blip. and to a point, yes, even bloody ashton and demi :P
- Terry O'Fee
I don't get how you could make Twitter be threaded and still have it be Twitter, which is this rolling stream. You can have little micro convos on Twitter but it's easier to get into a fight precisely because most people on Twitter are on broadcast mode, dispensing with a pearl of wisdom they imagine their hundreds or thousands of fans merely want to docilely listen to, and they hate backtalk. Whoever gets the good backtalk app working will win.
- Prokofy Neva
This is probably a noob question, but Plurk offers convo threading, grouping in the form of cliques so why aren't people talking about it as a viable option to the address the concerns listed above?
- Kimberly Nolting
Robert - I believe FB is more popular (not better, mind) because it's social networking at its simplest. it's wonderful for older parents who don't get twitter or friendfeed to sign up and add as much or as little as they want. perfect for the people who just want a small, family connection online..
- Terry O'Fee
personnaly I will not use it for just one reason the damn interface.
- abdellah
@Kimberly: probably because Plurk didn't ever get critical mass of users. Without the userbase, you can have the best app, and never get anywhere.
- Javier Altman
Kimberly: the UI of Plurk feels like a coloring book to me. I never took to it. The people who joined it at first also were not the kind of people who I wanted to have conversations with. Plus, friendfeed was way way way better at all this stuff than Plurk was and friendfeed was started by three superstars from Google. Plurk? I don't even know the people who started it.
- Robert Scoble
terry, FB is more particular due to it rigid rule, compared to twitter or FF the process on mutual fellowing is a walk in fire.
- abdellah
Funny that back when I started using Twitter in 2006, it was bad etiquette to have too many @'s in your stream. Now that seems to be inversed.
- Sam Harrelson
plurk needs to get rid of that stupid karma crap as well. people on there "plurk" and reply so theyre top of their karma, not because they feel like it
- Terry O'Fee
I agree with Alice's point as well. I just don't like rules set forth on this stuff. I enjoy both, wish more were on FF as I would certainly use it more than Twitter, but they are simply not. Let's just agree to disagree on some points and call it a day Scobs. Also, NO need to insult someone's intelligence because they might not be able to use this stuff as well as you do. That's just not a good conversation, speaking of..
- Just OOH
you deserve a kiss for the karma mention, I hate it
- abdellah
Just Out Of Home: you are right. I'm sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I do remember early Twitter. It was still mostly status update. Too much of that now seems like they don't have much to contribute and aren't connecting. If Twitter users just do status updates it seems like they are self absorbed or lack contribution of some sort. They're still learning over there. Wait till their eyes open here.
- Courtney Engle
Robert - Wouldn't you consider that regardless of what Twitter's "expected usage" is, that it is most certainly in a nascet stage right now? Facebook was not perfect at 2 years, and is not perfect now. Neither is a GMail or friendfeed. It's best use at the moment is not "typical conversation" but it can have its place. If people would unfollow you simply because you attempt to have a...
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- Patrick Boegel
I'm sorry, but how the hell would you be able to cope with the stream of information on Friendfeed (considering all that gets aggregated) if it had Twitter's mass? You'd be able to "follow" 20 people and that's it, otherwise you'd never be able to be involved with anybody.
- Javier Altman
terry , mwah too (what about kiss feature here in FF) :)
- abdellah
Richard: I turned the Twitter sync off as I want my FB wall to not be overwhelmed in my tweets. I keep it for friends to post there, reply, and engage. The sync would make it a mass broadcast firehose drowning those yet to know Twitter or FF, but I do have digg, greader, flickr, etc all synced back to my wall.
- Courtney Engle
OT a little, do you ever see in the future a greater integration with gps services on phones with social networks?? imagine being able to see twitters from people in your area. able to contact or @ them?? imagine the advertisers, theyd have a field day! a computer twittering deals close by to where you are...
- Terry O'Fee
Javier: you are absolutely wrong. I'm following 14,000 and 28,000 are following me here on friendfeed and it's FAR easier to deal with large numbers here than over on twitter.
- Robert Scoble
terry, oh yes and it sound pretty good perspective, but there will be always a spammer here or elswere to make thing collapse, the main problem with twitter is that twitter bases how fragile and how risky to build on fragile foundation.
- abdellah
Robert: Hmm, I see. It could very well be the way I interact with these type of service then. If Twitter only has 140 character lines as the only input and I already have a hard time keeping up with the people I follow, I can't imagine how chaotic it'd be to do that here, plus all the other aggregated info (digg, youtube, likes, dislikes, commenting, etc...)
- Javier Altman
Courtney, I don't sync twitter with facebook. I tweet far too much. What I mean is that it's short messages people can comment on without having to join a new service :-)
- Richard A.
Javier: because you aren't seeing the advantages of having lists, rooms, and the metadata that lets you hide lame stuff (you can hide all tweets that don't have a like, for instance).
- Robert Scoble
Terry, Google latitude has been running non stop on my phone for three weeks by now, works fine. used it to meet one friend a few times already.
- Richard A.
Robert and Javier. I hide all tweets that haven't been responded to. Works well for me.
- Richard A.
i dont just mean advertising though, it would be awesome for twitter meetups for example. where is @(insertname), you could have them on a list to see where they are, see just tweets from people in the area as well, i mean out here in the sticks it would be useless, but in the cities it would be interesting. sure, we have brightkite now, but im thinking in a more twitter esque direction
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: don't add more than 150 people to Latitude until version 2 comes out. I can't use it on my phone anymore cause I added 250. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Terry. There's a service that's being developed in Switzerland that would represent that type of information, but still early days... have to see how it evolves.
- Richard A.
Javier, have you explored the "Hide" feature and its "Hide entries like this" options?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
latitude updates an area, mainly brightkite does the same. imagine posting an entry and the phone instantly updates where that post (or reply) has come from. there will still be privacy settings of course but it would put the social really into social media..
- Terry O'Fee
Robert: Yeah, then again that probably happens because the people I'm interested in the most, that would drive me to actually sit down and organize all this information into rooms, etc. isn't here on FF, but they are on Twitter and FB. I definitely see the superiority of FF in terms of app, I guess I'm just a bit apprehensive to its complexity?
- Javier Altman
Robert: I'm not going to, but I have invited my direct family to follow and the occasional friend. Working fine for me. :-). I'm loving the service.
- Richard A.
Javier: you aren't the only one. Friendfeed is too complex and they know it. Hopefully they'll have an answer to that soon,
- Robert Scoble
No prob. Scobs. I know you get passionate about this stuff; just know that most of us are not as advanced as you. There is a learning curve with FF, and I'm sure you agree with that. It will take time.. Anyway, I've learned a lot from you by following you on both, and checked out FF because you suggested it and like it a lot. Just think it's up to the individual in terms of usage. Hopefully this conversation gets more people (including ones I know) on FF as it can do a lot more. Have a good day Scobs~
- Just OOH
@Richard: Dude, if a lot of people do what you do of hiding un-commented stuff, you'd miss, essentially, all of my content on FF. :D
- Javier Altman
terry, now after the enthusiast plz make some dark side to the whole project, I mean how could this new service be bad or hurting or make people in danger,!!
- abdellah
@Bruce: Not really, I probably should. But I just am not on FF enough to really explore it. I only pop in here when Robert posts this kind of thing that drives me here.
- Javier Altman
Robert: Tweetdeck FF video was great. need to clean up my lists of people, conduct searches & filters. Sorting through the pile now could take a while. I just put most into homefeed.
- Courtney Engle
Javier, but I follow people on twitter with twhirl, so i don't need the same tweets in two places. I don't want to answer without the answer being read.
- Richard A.
I'm in the same boat as Javier; the people I'm most interested in are on Twitter and FB, not FF. FF IS much better for having conversations yes, but they are often mostly about tech, food, memes and cats, so the point for some of us is moot. FF still needs a lot of work - you can't hide based on keywords; I may not want to see someone's posts on cats but I might want to see their other stuff, so filtering is very crude.
- Sally Church
Javier, you're probably over-thinking it. Try to dumb yourself down a little. Say, "This is something I don't care to see", click Hide, and follow the prompts. I think FriendFeed might actually be easier for late adopters because early adopters have all these preconceived notions about how UIs are to be structured.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
The big downside to FF over Twitter is that it requires a lot more work to make it work well and ends up with over-hiding, filtering or user scripts etc. If it's too much work it gets dispiriting. If you like tech, cats or memes then you will be in hog heaven here.
- Sally Church
@Richard: That is perfectly understandable -- btw, say hi to Maggie for me :D
- Javier Altman
Twitter is now the "classifieds" section of the social media newspaper. It's a good place to announce something. And you can start a lot of conversations with very little investment. But it is nearly impossible to carry on a dialog though the classifieds. And while you can write (or link to) a long-winded missive on Twitter, it just isn't suited for that. But sometimes, you just need to get a message out very cheaply. And Twitter does that job admirably.
- Lorin Olsen
I was showing my non-tech wife Twitter this week and right away she picked up on the difficulty of following conversations.
- Paul Rodriguez
There's a reason they call Twitter "microblogging". It's like blogging. It's hard to have an extended multi-way conversation with trackbacks.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Twitter is see current threads and Friendfeed is to talk about them
- Kim Landwehr
People who think twitter is about microblogging are the ones I don't follow.
- Richard A.
@Richard: Ok, then that brings me to a question: what is the proper use for Twitter then? I share interesting news stories from Google Reader, comment on life, use it as a cathartic tool on on occasion, comment on other people's tweets... Is that all that Twitter is, or am I missing something?
- Javier Altman
@abdellah I used to think of it as a multiplatform chat too.
- Richard A.
richard, yes it can but we haven't to do because we can. this is what bring all the pb people travesty the use of the service if they do using the api it would be intelligent and a source of innovation, but they do using the original service what make thing go out of hand.
- abdellah
Twitter has suffered from having so man new users that don't know what works and doesn't. As a result the early adopters have really decreased how often they use it.
- Richard A.
Twitter is the conversational equivalent of playing phonetag but it is definitely more lightweight than FF.
- Stephan Miller
from Friend Deck
stephan, the word playing resume the whole really :)
- abdellah
These are valid points. Never thought Twitter is an extended conversation tool. Maybe with new features like targeted tweets to different groups it can become one. It's still early days for them when you listen to Evan Williams.
- Joe Buhler
it doesn't have to be "all conversation" or "no conversation". Twitter can be for "some kinds of conversations" or "somewhat for conversation". Or you can endlessly argue that "no it isn't for conversation" and "yes it is for conversation". It's in between. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
- Stephanie Booth
from twhirl
Evan Williams is the last person in the world I'll listen to when it comes to twitter. I'd rather speak to actual users of the service.
- Richard A.
I am new to Friend Feed, but not Twitter. Thanks for the lesson in FF!
- Rachel Levy
I think the big issues are #2 and #5. While search.twitter allows you to view a conversation between two people, it's far from efficient. When twitter fixes this problem, it will be a much better conversation platform.
- David Spinks
Both have their uses - and Twitter can definitely use an upgrade. I can see more journalists type people (like yourself) get more benefits from FriendFeed.
- Chris Gieger
Robert, that commonmistakesblog entry is weird. If you need to be told how to have conversations "correctly", then there is something wrong with the service.
- Andy Bakun
Twitter as a broadcasting channel only makes sense if you either 1) have a lot of followers, or 2) have followers who retweet all your tweets. This is actually no different than having a blog.
- Andy Bakun
Proof is in the pudding. Would *this* conversation happen on Twitter? No. Twitter was built as a status update service. It does that nicely. Conversations is a square peg being fit into a round hole.
- AJ Kohn
I think Friendfeed should add this list functionality into its posts. It is annooyin when people start commenting before the list is done.
- Sweyn Venderbush
from twhirl
Again I think Scoble is trying to make Twitter what he wants instead of what it is. No problem with that I guess. Twitter is great for general broadcasts and as someone else said a few quick back and forths. Those are still conversations. Just short ones. What Robert wants are discussions. Which Twitter is not for...Twitter is great for the mobile crowd who like to do as they go. There are other forums for those who like to sit at their desk and have long community discussions.
- Sidney
@Andy I think too many people who are currently into Social Media (the tech crowd) try to look at Twitter as what they can get out of it on a business level. I think it is much easier to say, "Hey I'm hitting lunch at this place who's joining me?" and it goes to all my friends instead of having to SMS everyone. This is functionality the non-techs are using it for. It's useful. Saves time and isn't meant for long drawn out discussions.
- Sidney
Something else struck me about that commonmistakesblog post... it suggests you put context in all your tweets in order to not piss of your followers who don't know what the hell you're talking about. By the time you put in context (repeating what was said already so people can jump in the middle), and @replies, the 140 character limit becomes even further limited.
- Andy Bakun
honestly I like plurk better than twitter.I don't check friendfeed and reply to stuff that often.
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: that's cool. I just never got into Plurk. The UI there is too inefficient for me and too goofy.
- Robert Scoble
yea I agree the UI could be more mainstream, but the features and community are much better
- Logan Lindquist
Logan: I'll give it another try. Everytime I've gone there I didn't like the community. It shows that if you don't see people you recognize you'll not like the service.
- Robert Scoble
wow, im surprised that there are still people who try to enforce rules to tools like twitter,how incredibly naive. twitter is a tool, people use tools the way they want and need to, despite what you, or i tell them, its this that forms the basis of human and techno-evolution...if twitter is being used by people for conversations then it obviously meets that need at some level. its this evolution of technology that drives (or should drive) successful product and service developments,
- john
Kind of makes you wonder what made Twitter take off in the first place? Identi.ca, Plurk, Pownce, Jaiku......Is Twitter really that much better? Is it the name? Viral "marketing"? I tend to lean toward the name. I fear that FriendFeed will never catch on simply because of the name. It's not "glitzy". Neither are identi.ca, plurk, pownce, or jaiku. I'd much rather support identi.ca because it's open source.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
@slayerboy: twitter's power is a global namespace which allows for interesting social dynamics: you want to know what your friends are doing, you want to share cool experiences with them, you want to follow people you admire. Twitter sux at conversations but they are *very* good at those other use cases and they are dead simple. That and they were able to attract some of the most vocal bloggers and social media advocates (Robert included)!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
robert: well of course if the people you follow don't use it then its not much use. its funny how everyone hates twitter and they keep using it. its like the myspace of mico-blogging.
- Logan Lindquist
Absolutely agree with #5 Robert - "5. You can't bundle up a conversation and save it for later, like you can with this one. (You can even permalink to this conversation and link to it from a Tweet, but you can't do that in Twitter itself)" I find myself getting more and more frustrated with NOT being able to follow a conversation on Twitter... and esp. a conversation between 2 others...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That gives me some inspiration, Deanna. I'd like to see a feature on friendfeed that lets you "lock" an entry to just being commented by a few people, but still be public. You could do interviews and debates this way. It would be asynchronous because new activity floats it to the top where you can see it again. The most recent stuff is the stuff that shows by default (with the previous...
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- Andy Bakun
I guess you could do the same thing with a restricted access room, but they don't have the same exposure, and there's less chance of it cropping up randomly.
- Andy Bakun
@Andy Bakun - Yep, the less clicks the better and the less CLUTTER the better - have you seen this post yet?: http://friendfeed.com/e... - too much noise is frustrating, who has time to sift through it all? Your idea is interesting,do you mean that you'd want to be able to "flag" comments from specific...
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- Deanna Belle Govoni
That's a damn good idea, Deanna, the non-focused comments being collapsible. This would help keep things on topic, keep the focus on the target participants, but not restrict other people from participating. It's threads like this one, with 156 comments, that show the power of the FF medium and presentation and UX. Some minor tweaks and there are additional possibilities.
- Andy Bakun
Lorin, good comparison the classifieds and trying to have a conversation through them. Even better would be a comparison to the "missed connections" section of the classifieds.
- Andy Bakun