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Embarrassing photo meme. That's me on the left, DJ Jack Friday on the right.
Darren Heydon, MiniMage, sheeple of FF, rowlikeagirl and 119 other people liked this
Yay Leo!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Well played, sir!
- Josh Haley
Wow Leo, that's vintage and precious.
- RODNEY OLIVER
Whoo, Leo! Way to mix it up with the common folk!
- Akiva Moskovitz
That photo is WIN!
- Eric @ CS Techcast
When is that Leo? I'm guessing 1978 or so?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Slow and clear.. and with a blue vest
- Rhys Amos
Woah...he MEMED! respect
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Dear Leo, I love you to death, however, please let your darling daughter know Monaco is not an island off the coast of France and yes, Monte Carlo is the capitol. My daughter is the same age and we are starting to shop college's as well. I wish you the best of luck finding a school that suits her well. I was an exchange student as well and found it the best experience ever!
- Jennifer Ragde
Okay, now my computer politically correct daughter is telling me this was not the correct way to state my opinion as I should have commented on the photograph. I'm really sorry, I love to listen to your broadcasts, but I really am computer retarded so please forgive me if I have transgressed in any manner. I can't even upload photographs without her help! Really, you don't look dapper,...
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- Jennifer Ragde
I do believe Steve Jobs was in the process of creating the Macintosh then? This is '70s right?
- Danny Minick
LOL Jennifer and +1 for your daughter. :)
- Josh Haley
You look so dapper, Leo!!
- Mona Nomura
go leo!
- sean percival
That's awesome
- Jesse Stay
lookin good ..
- Saad Kamal
Outstanding, Mr Laporte. You can see the in dream there. Potential and promise sporting a tank-top.
- Dan Biddle
Those pants look like they may be restricting blood flow a little bit... Also, sweet chalk board! Haven't seen one of those in years!
- Mark
I hardly recognised you. It maybe your outfit but you look older in this photo
- Kevin J Hatton
Taken at a radio station? (based on blackboard notes) Wait. BLACKBOARD??? Wow. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
Jack looks like wolverine.
- Harold Benfield
Excellent sweater vest there, Leo!
- John Lutz
That's on handsome man! lol
- Melissa Goetsch
Leo, you were one hot stack if pancakes back in the day!!
- Erik Boles
Not to nitpick or anything, but Monaco is the name of the state and the capital city. Monte Carlo is just one of city's administrative areas :)
- Dorian
It's 1985 or 1986. I was 28 or 29. And an utter dork.
- Leo Laporte
This vintage is good stuff!
- Jackie
not vintage but funny - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mike Bracco
Okay. Leo you rock! Let me get that out of the way. But you look like Susan Boyle in this photo. Sorry, someone had to throw it out there. ;-)
- Oracio
LEO: if this was a family photo I think it might make it on to the hilarious site that aggregates awkward family photos: http://awkwardfamilyphotos.com/ must check this out! :)
- Mike Bracco
Not a family photo - it's a work photo. That's from KLOK-FM San Francisco.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: I know, I was just saying if it was :)
- Mike Bracco
What's that funny lookin thing in the background?
- Daniel James
Daniel.. I think that is what was known as a monochrome display. They were all the rage back then apparently.
- Rhys Amos
Your hair wasn't even real back then! :P
- Kreg Steppe
I think his hair looks better now
- Jim Hague
Dear Dorian, I stand corrected. I was just stunned that someone thought Monaco was an island. When I was in high school (when Dinosaurs roamed the earth, ha ha!), we had to memorize the world in geography. I guess times have changed.
- Jennifer Ragde
LOL, I took all those old photos of me and hid them deep!
- Lillian Banchik
OMG I just found this... *DEAD*
- Johnny Worthington
Oh wow, totally 80s, fer shure. :P
- Mol, Time Warping
You must have respect for wives. That they could see anything other than the geeks we looked like in those days makes you believe in clairvoyance. Of course now you would qualify as a silver fox.
- JR Holmes
from Nambu
You looked smart and confident :) Great photo! Thanks for sharing!
- mahjongmi
BBC To Kill Open Source TV? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Andrew Leyden, Mike Chelen, Steven Cains and 15 other people liked this
"The BBC is looking to encode TV listing metadata and employ a compression algorithm to circumvent piracy, ad removal and illegal copying. According to a recent blog post by the EFF's Danny O'Brien, the group wants to get mandatory DRM onto digital TV receivers via a broadcast flag. In other words, a "public service broadcaster" wants to lessen the way we consume media by forcing manufacturers to limit product playing abilities. While open source TV services like Boxee allow users to view programs over home networks regardless of the device, a broadcast flag would force all HDTV receivers to include content protection. For those of us who watch our programs online, this could pose a serious problem."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
I can't watch live BBC TV online in any case, but it sucks nonetheless.
- Ian May
Yeah. But the galling thing is i pay for that with my tax money. Ergo its my content. I will do what i want with it.
- Roberto Bonini
Trouble is, Robert, I guess the BBC see it like Record Labels. They dont' mind if you watch it, but don't want you to do anything else with it. I remember all the fuss made a quarter century ago, when everyone got a VCR, and some quarters were trying to claim it was illegal to record TV shows. A compromise was reached of course, and hopefully it will be in this case. Although I'm not in...
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- Ian May
@ Ian Don't fret, your subscription can be put on hold, the UK has the same "dross" as the United States ... evidently the Americans have been unable come up with the exclusive patent on that.
- Kittyburgers
@Rob those money are not yours - they are *theirs*... we have similar system in Finland and people in trade of govt license TV think their existance _must_ be paid....
- A.T.
@Kittyburgers, but it's not SO bad in the UK it's only 75% US dross... :)
- Ian May
UK really needs to redesign it's commercial TV platform. As it stands the only real OTA commercial broadcaster is Channel 5. ITV splits the UK into several regions, Channel 4 is government owned and the BBC is funded by the taxpayer. A ridiculous state of affairs.
- Steven Cains
these restrictions end up causing the most trouble for legitimate users. like with pc game cds, players are inconvenienced while crackers bypass the system
- Mike Chelen
I remember reading a few years ago, that ITV cost the average family more in increased prices at the supermarket than the TV Licence fee did.
- Ian May
Better BlackBerry Browsing - http://www.pcworld.com/article...
Bradley Goetsch, mike "glemak" dunn, Mitch and 2 other people liked this
"Research In Motion's (RIM) BlackBerry browser has long been the laughing stock of the mobile space for its lack of speed. Javascript-heavy pages frequently bring it to a standstill. And since the browser has problems rendering many common Web pages, simply surfing the Web for a quick recipe or to answer a question can be like pulling teeth.....Rumors suggest RIM's well on its way to releasing a revamped BlackBerry browser of its own. But yesterday Norwegian-developer Opera Software upped the BlackBerry browsing-ante with the beta release of its latest mobile browser: Opera Mini 5. Though not BlackBerry-specific--the software's compatible with most Java-based handhelds--it blows RIM's default browser away, with new features like tabbed-browsing, advanced cut-and-paste and a built-in password manager."
- winckel
from Bookmarklet
Tabbed browsing, wow. No wonder people wouldn't shut up about Opera mini. Not a fan of it for desktop but mobile version sounds hot.
- Mona Nomura
I can read this thread on my Blackberry in Opera Mini, but I cannot comment. Comment Share and Unlike are all highlighted and I cannot select 'comment'. At least I can view FriendFeed. I'll keep testing.
- Mike Nencetti
David Elks, Daniel Rowley, Bradley Goetsch and 23 other people liked this
*sighs*
- Holden Page
Just checked to be sure. 2 dozen cities. That's it so far. What's the holdup?
- rob
Robert, the reason @foursquare is as big as it is, is because of Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
ROFL - it's third life that's all :p
- DC Crowley
@Rob, its a new product. Give it time. @Scoble, 4square is pigggybacking off of Twitter, I doubt that they will overtake the host, even though it will become very popular in urban areas.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Mona: I don't agree. It has very little to do with Twitter. And, anyway, most of the same folks who used Twitter back in 2006 are on it. So, it's tracking Twitter very closely, at least with the early adopter community.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble, but is the appeal as large? Perhaps if they spread it to more platforms, and create a simpler check in process.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
what is the compariosn here scoble? Twitter and Foursquare are completely different products.
- Holden Page
Alex: the check in process is pretty nice. When you are in a city that's on the map and when your location is there already. That's the early-adopter problem. We're building out the system for them. Now that they have funding I bet they can get the resources to turn on more cities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - the reason people get so competitive and continuously check in, is because it is on display for all to see on Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Holden: pure adoption, nothing else.
- Robert Scoble
Mona: not true. I haven't sent a single checkin to Twitter. And I LOVE checking in. Very addicted.
- Robert Scoble
k
- Holden Page
My timeline is FILLED with Foursquare smack talk lol.
- Mona Nomura
@Scoble, indeed. If they had more locations already existing, they would double their growth. @Holden, similar concepts. Do something small, and broadcast to a lot of people. @mona my iPhone is constantly spammed.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
I have dumbphone, no foursquare for me lol
- Holden Page
@holden, get with it, what decade do you think it is?
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Holden: Foursquare to get official Windows Mobile app in weeks http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7350
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@mark, dont encourage him.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
I'm very bullish on Foursquare. It's about as addictive as Twitter and much more compelling than BrightKite. The Twitter connection is not particularly important to me.
- Leo Laporte
I don't get foursquare. But I'm 30something, so I don't think I'm anywhere close to the target demographic, the trendy-hipster-goes-out-every-night-18-20something. For the record, I also don't get people who check in on FS when they arrive at work *each day* (and thankfully, since wising up, I don't get their updates anymore either). My life pretty much equals work (er, don't need...
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- Adam Lasnik
it seems to be for US people only ...
- Steph (sh_skew)
Steph: that problem will eventually be taken care of now that they got funding.
- Robert Scoble
Adam: you sound like a lot of my friends when I started showing them Twitter back in 2006. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You make a good point, though, Robert. There's nothing stopping Twitter from implementing the same feature set, except for their own reluctance to expand their capabilities. Twitter's current "success" will likely freeze them in place.
- Leo Laporte
the fact that twitter was misunderstood but became successful doesn't mean any new company that is a bit odd will be successful. come on scoble
- Mark
Mani: I literally have a dumbphone, nineteen dollar replacement phone. My tombileshadow crapped out on me :(
- Holden Page
Mark: sorry, when 1,000 early adopters friend me on a new service something is happening that CAN NOT be ignored. Foursquare is the real deal and is going to go all the way. I'm addicted and that doesn't happen very often. Last time it did the company sold for $50 million and that was considered a failure.
- Robert Scoble
@Alex I get it's new, doesn't matter. So is every other app in the field, and many manage to work anywhere. @Robert, how many friends do you have on dopplr?
- rob
rob: about the same number, but growing a lot slower than Foursquare. Dopplr also isn't a game, isn't addictive the way Foursquare is, and hasn't gotten many people hot and bothered the way Foursquare has.
- Robert Scoble
Looks cool, but not in Reno yet.
- Kevin Arth
Robert, clearly you are more young-at-heart than I am :D. And frankly, I still am not very excited about Twitter, either, despite having 2200 followers. I pipe my updates to Twitter from FF but halfheartedly, and haven't read through my stream regularly in over a year. I don't need more inputs in my life, I need more outputs. And to continue my curmudgeonly and slightly hypocritical...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: that is true, but how many people can write a book or do something longer? I can, but I have to admit I hate the process. No interaction. I far prefer putting a little burp out into the Internet and then seeing what happens to doing something bigger.
- Robert Scoble
Creating is creating. It's foolish to insist on any particular form. It's all just participation in life. Far more people aren't participating in any way.
- Leo Laporte
I am curious, but like Steph I'm not in the US, so I will have to wait.
- Sean Carmody
"something bigger"... what, Robert? I'm not being sarcastic. What "bigger" comes out from these interactions? Often when pondering this, I see this blips of expression as equivalent to mast^H masticating cheetos. Feels good when doing it, but doesn't feel fulfilling long term. And I think anyone can write a book and anyone can cook :). More broadly, New Year's is coming up. How many...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: I can see both a scenario where Foursquare has more usage time as well as another scenario where Foursquare makes more money than Twitter. Why? Businesses pay to satisfy intent. Walking into a place is a powerful intent signaler. For instance, if I'm walking into Starbucks you betcha I intend to buy a coffee. Now, what if you walk into a real estate office? Don't you think competitors would LOVE to entice you to walk about and into their business? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
They don't want me. How can something succeed by excluding people? Foursquare only wants city dwellers, and then only in the largest cities. That's no way to succeed in the long term.
- Glen Campbell
George: not true. I live in a small town in a rural area and it's very addictive. They will be adding more cities soon. I agree that's a big problem, but they did that to keep growth down so they wouldn't hit Twitter's downtime problems. I think that's smart.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree with you 100% about the importance and opportunity of location-based-options, I'll give you that much! :)
- Adam Lasnik
Cap'n: If they make it big they will want you. Problem I see is our attention spans. How long can this game really keep us entertained?
- Holden Page
Non-American (Rest of the world) user base of Twitter has increased from 38% to 58%. More than half of Twitter users are outside the US. Just saying. Foursquare is limited by its geography.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I see it as incredibly limited to major metro areas and very exclusionary. Why would I bother with a service I'll only use very rarely if I remember when I visit a supported metropolis? It's far to exclusionary and Twitter is location agnostic and unaware. Sorry, but I strongly disagree. LBS isn't ever going to be driven by checkins. Latitude hasn't got it right, but until there's...
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- Ken Camp
Foursquare isn't really covering the US that well. Unless of course you assume there are only 20 some odd cities here. For the rest of us, we have to choose the best or closest location? It's not useful if you can't find others nearby. Oh, and in case someone didn't notice, there are 2 locations listed for outside of the US. Vancouver and Amsterdam. It definitely has potential and for...
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- Sheryl
That's my thought too that FourSquare, LBS and even "hyperlocal" sites are limited by its geography. So far, I haven't seen anything online that is intended to be hyperlocal be a major success outside of the major DMAs (not counting stores). For example, I live in the Hartford area so you'd think we'd catch the NYC/Boston wave but it never does (to date). If they can't reach Hartford with success, how are these services going to hit mid-America?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been trying to explain FourSquare's importance to local businesses a lot lately, and this photo (from the Marsh Cafe in San Francisco) generally makes the best case: http://www.flickr.com/photos.... Once people see that, the lights start to go on.
- Darren Barefoot
no. foursquare will not be bigger than twitter. it does not have the universal reach or appeal.
- jbrotherlove
jbrotherlove: Twitter doesn't have universal reach or appeal yet either. So far out of seven billion people 45 million are on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
People are totally missing the point: given the time Robert spends on Twitter / FriendFeed / YouNameIT, how come the Scoble's are having a baby again? :-) Congrats!
- Zoli Erdos
I'll wait until Foursquare is actually available in most places. If it falls to the wayside, and it probably will, it's because most people in the world can't even get access to it. Twitter is universal; Foursquare is only available in select few cities.
- Carlton Prest
Limited geographies, slower and more limited take-up of location-based services (the creepy factor, among other issues), juvenile game structure. I really don't see broad and sustained appeal.
- LogEx
nope
- Ouriel Ohayon
I'm not sure I see any immediate value to #FourSquare for most people if it's not available in full strength everywhere. Sure, it's undoubtedly fantastic for people in NY — but I'm not there.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Our next baby's initials spell out RSS. I won't reveal the name until we register the name.
ravi karandeekar, Susan Beebe, Devon Govett and 55 other people liked this
by register the name you mean domain name right?
- sean percival
RSS? That's kinda awesome haha.
- Tomy Thomson
Regis Sanford Scoble?
- drew olanoff
Robert, do you subscribe to that RSS feed?
- Adam
wow.........
- xero
At least it's not CRS.
- Derrich
Adam: he will fill my feed for sure!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Really Simple Scoble?
- Laura Norvig
Redford Scott Scoble
- Eric
Yeah. Domains and Facebook, etc.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert Stay Scoble?
- Jesse Stay
Romeo Stuart Scoble
- Eric
My initials are my name in pig-latin when you spell them backwards: SEJ
- Jesse Stay
epic EPIC win.
- Justin Gerard
Robert Scott Scoble
- Scratch5150
Rupert Scott Scoble
- Eric
Ruth Sarah Scoble
- Mr K
His middle name will be Soroush. That means divine calling in Farsi.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Rihanna Sylvia Scoble
- Eric
Rowan Soroush Scoble
- Joan Lockwood
RSS is due September 26th.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Congrats, Robert!
- Joan Lockwood
Ronald Stuart Scoble
- Eric
Reginald Scott Scoble
- Eric
Really Small Scoble...of course
- Derrich
Ray-Ray Sun Scoble
- PJ Edwards
Robert (named after you) [insert a middle name starting with an s] Scoble
- Chris Martin
Randy Super Scoble.
- Tomy Thomson
Robert Silent Scoble
- Ninoo
Really Sneaky Scoble
- Lon Cohen
Eric that has the best cadence. its a drumbeat name. will be easy to remember: Redford Scott Scoble
- Melanie Reed
You should Pubsubhubbub and get RSS here instantly.
- Andrew Smith
from fftogo
Excellent. I will subscribe.
- Louis Gray
Great way to get your wife on the RSS bandwagon :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert Seymour Scoble (sorry, I had to say it).
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
My sons name was available the day he was born and then two damn days later some guy in Australia grabbed it.
- Hunter
With a nickname of Dave :)
- jcunwired
I'm sure he'll be a Winer, too
- Jesse Stay
Really Simple Scoble?
- Her Lindsay-ness
Rakiva Smoskvitz Scoble. (The R and the first S are silent.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
akiva
- Yolanda
Will commoncraft make a video of the birth?
- jcunwired
Haha I know the name but I'm not saying! :-)
- Dave Winer
Awesome.
- Stefan Holmes
Rave Siner Scoble
- jcunwired
OMG IT'S EMBARGOED.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This is not the child's actual name: Really Simple Scoble. :-)
- Dave Winer
l dont think its difficult to name a child yall wn l had mine l had to create one which l later found found out to be a beautiful one..as long it has a meaning just do it..
- Pam Gwenzi
Its Robert Socble Second
- Sidharth Dassani
___ Soroush Scoble. What a fun game! Robert and Rasputin are likely out. And what a marvelous melding of names; American techie communities are full of cultural mashups. Here's to looking forward to 9/26 for mystery's end.
- Alex Howard
but RSS is a dead technology! </sarcasm>
- Tim Hoeck
Tim: well RSS's birth will be Twittered.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hahahahahahhaha Robert!!!!
- Mona Nomura
My daughter's initials spell MES, and let me tell you - IT'S PROPHETIC. (be careful of the initials).
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Pfft! Robert's following in my footsteps. Audrey's birth was Twittered!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: Milan's was too and his first cry beat Obama to BlogTalkRadio by two years. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
my guess is Rasputin S. Scoble
- Logan Lindquist
I'll ponder a guess: Richard Scott Scoble?
- Thomas Ward
Damn you, Robert! [shakes fist]
- Akiva Moskovitz
Gerber just announced a new line of baby food called RSS Feed. ;o)
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
My own initials spell out RSS. LT, good one.
- Rob Schieber
Maybe that's not such a good idea, with Steve Gillmor parading around claiming it is dead. XMPP would be more apt, but don't ask me what the initial would stand for. One gnarly name.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Robert Scoble Scoble?
- Ryan Kuder
Or B.S. - I know someone who has a kid with those initials!
- Carrie Lynn
Robert Senior's Scoble?
- sebastian☆rocket brother
That reminds me of a humorous website where you could input letters like these and it would give you a humorously formed acronym - I remember bookmarking it and cant seem to find it...
- TrafficBug
Robbie St. Scoble?
- Bas
Robert Stanley like my dad?
- Yant
I think I'm in love. ♥ - http://fishki.net/comment...
Iván Abrego, Rob Collier, Nathan Chase and 68 other people liked this
This whole page is AWESOME.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from Bookmarklet
holy cow! Jemm will go nuts when he sees these!
- vijay
Ok, this is the coolest today!
- Patrik Johansson
HAWT!
- CW™
My long lost twin! http://friendfeed.com/joeybea...
- joey
Your long lost twin, or long lost daddy-type manager?
- Sparky Crocker
These are great. You don't even have to like Star Wars for this to be great. :)
- Louis Gray
lmfao
- Holden Page
No way!!! I saw her first!!! :)
- Mike Shields
@vijay: You can keep her :P
- Jemm
This just made my day!
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
from Android
I'm kinda surprised you hadn't seen Red & Jonny before, joey. They have a flickrstream: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Wirehead
Awesome! Thanks Wirehead.
- joey
This is troubling me.........
- Kevin J Hatton
Loved the whole page!
- Shannon
AWESOMESAUCE
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Oh God! Hahahahahaaaa!
- R1CC1
Welcome to the Twilight Zone!!!
- Jeff P. Henderson
This girl has the sort of face only Darth Vader could love.
- George Hall (Australia)
I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...
david beckwith, Adnan, Alan Root and 437 other people liked this
It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
Haha. ROFL
- Roberto Bonini
is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better?
- Craig Shipp
I'm with you Leo.
- Oracio
It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people.
- Dan Lessard
I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last.
- Ken Bauer
And we keep following Leo all over the place!
- Robert Scoble
Long live Leo
- Randy Pollock
When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken?
- Nate Pilling
so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams)
- abdellah
Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner!
- Elizabeth K. Barone
I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction.
- jcunwired
Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service.
- Ken Sheppardson
But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert?
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making.
- Bill Rodman
The wave of the future is wave
- Randy Pollock
Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means!
- Matt Cassem
I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments
- Mark
Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me.
- Fleagle
Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in.
- Leo Laporte
And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet.
- Leo Laporte
Yet being the operative word.....
- Roberto Bonini
sounds like a country song to me
- gavin
As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts?
- Craig B.
I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible.
- Louis Gray
^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out.
- jcunwired
Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come.
- jcunwired
The only way to have control is to use your own URL
- Craig Shipp
Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =)
- Cynthia Yildirim
what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out.
- Jordan Brock
from BuddyFeed
What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me.
- Craig B.
yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them
- Thomas Power
Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for.
- Rachel R.
Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;)
- Daynah
Play this thread off, keyboard cat.
- Fleagle
You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo.
- Dave Winer
Screw you, Friendfeed!
- Andrew Leahey
Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :)
- Mrinal Desai
I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.)
- oliver gassner
Love Stinks.
- shelter watch
I'm quite surprised that you could keep track of all that!
- Robert Alex
Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated."
- Randy Shapiro
Damn thats complicated
- drmacintosh
Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them...
- Steven McGurn
so where do we go now?
- Brian Appleby
I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later!
- Amy Flynn
very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one
- Bryce Campbell
Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again!
- Arleen Anderson
Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening.
- Anthony Marco
You all just have ants in your pants :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P
- Sam Ehsan
Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior.
- Paul Chaney
lmfao, its so true leo, so true!
- Derek Bender
Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"...
- Dennis Jernberg
And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL
- Sandra Large
I think it's back to the TWiT Army!
- Paul Salzman
It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A.
- Steve de Mena
it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative.
- Denise Young
the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-)
- Thomas Lee
People are talking a lot about Streamy today. Might be an alternative.
- Caio Cesar
Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho.
- Rick Cogley
Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good!
- Kenneth Reitz
No mention of Microsoft Vine?
- Robert MacEwan
yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera.
- Scratch5150
I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way...
- Mark Jepsen
Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better??
- Craig Shipp
Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side.
- John Flinchbaugh
from IM
Social Networks are sluts?
- TheDiva Rockin
It sure is.
- Jason Hill
I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go.
- DogPatch
Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog...
- Kenneth Reitz
It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;)
- Shawn Zehnder Lea
More like "As the worm churns"
- Houseofmax
한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :]
- HealingBrush
One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time...
- Aviva Gabriel
Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit...
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- Jan Simmonds
I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man".
- Mol, Time Warping
@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Jan You're an asshat.
- Ian Wright
from BuddyFeed
leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better.
- Casey Petersen
looooool =))
- amin.m
Haiku Laporte
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that was cute! :O)
- Jeanne
@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you!
- Jan Simmonds
Maybe they're just not that into you.
- Elizabeth Johnson
Wait... who's on first?
- Michael Rosenau
Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce
- SpionKopRed
wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues!
- Justin Bradshaw
there there, Shawny's here...
- sofarsoShawn
I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
This is fairly brilliant... do republicans really think Obama is NOT a citizen? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Do we really expect frank and up-front answers from politicians -- republican or democrat?
- Pete Delucchi
We should expect it but not anticipate it.
- Geoff Schultz
I think there is little hope for the Repubs and this video seems to prove it
- Andy Glover
No
- George Gray
Dude...this video is fucking sad
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Reap what they sow.
- Ayşe E.
+1 Pete
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I am so sad I was a Republican for 12 years. Someday I will hopefully make up for that idiocy.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, sadly, Democrats are just as bad. And don't worry about making up for the idiocy, there's far worse things in the world. At least you aren't one of the politicians :P
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Pete: I agree with you. Dems are just as bad. It is politics
- Holden Page
Well I hear less of this kind of idiocy from Democrats. Might have something to do with Fox and Rush having such a big impact on politics in last 15 years.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The birth certificate is not a real issue. Stanley Fish offers an astute insight into possible motivations of those who are requesting the proof of Obama's citizenship over and over again: " It isn’t the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate that’s the problem for the birthers. The problem is again the legitimacy of a black man living in a big house, especially when it’s the White...
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- jacek
Look he was born in Kenya and then tunneled as a baby to Hawaii, where he cleverly posted his OWN birth notice in the newspaper since he KNEW ahead of time that he'd be running for president and this would come up. Now come on. Is that not brilliant or what?
- Richard Bitting
Question is not whether he is a citizen, but a natural-born citizen (the qualification to be president). I don't know why they don't just settle this though. All this mess just to see a piece of paper. Seems like the money could be better spent elsewhere (on both sides).
- Brian Milby
They HAVE settled it. The state of Hawaii has released a certified copy of his birth certificate. The conservatives then claimed that the certificate was bogus because of some issue with the fonts and layout of the certificate, even though it was issued by the state.
- Trent Hamm
I think he was born in Hawaii but I don't know what is being hidden. Two men had their orders to deploy revoked so that they would not have standing in a lawsuit questioning Obama's qualifications to be president. So basicly any soldier that does not want to be deployed just has to claim to be a Birther.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I come from a long line of Republicans (though I'm not GOP myself), all of whom must be spinning in their graves at this idiocy. I will say, though, that it's fascinating watching a major party self-destruct. I'd love to see a more rational conservative party emerge. Of course, it'll never happen.
- Larry Anderson
I don't get what all the fuss is about. Even if he was born overseas, his *mother* was an American citizen and that automatically makes him one, no matter where he was born. -- "Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the...
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- daNanner
A complicating factor is that Obama's father was not an American citizen. (I assume he still isn't, living in Kenya & all.) The laws in effect in 1962 basically said that if Obama was born in the U.S., he's a natural-born citizen. If he was born outside the U.S., he isn't. All rational investigators have concluded that Obama was born in Hawaii, hence is a natural-born citizen. Irrational investigators will never be satisfied.
- Pat Rice
the real irony is john mccain was born in panama. on a military base, yes, but this is not settled law. amazing how this was never mentioned.
- lew
Five Gadgets for the Social Technology Addicted - http://www.steverubel.com/five-ga...
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- Steve Rubel
from Posterous
Nice little list, I use or want them all.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The key is genius.
- Don Martelli
In keeping with my monthly reporting of compete.com tracking of FF vs. Twitter, for the month of June (after a flat May) Twitter grew at an astronomical monthly rate of 16.57%. FF by comparison mostly held flat in fact declining .26% after crossing the one million unique visitor count last month for the first time.
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I suspect that a lot of the continuing media coverage of Twitter probably accounts for it's continued rise. I'm not sure why FF seems to remain flat though.
- Thomas Hawk
I remember seeing a graph like that about the time Pownce shut down..or similar.
- Mike Lewis
Plus I'm sick of hearing twitter every time I turn on the TV. Wish Rick Sanchez and Don Lemon could see me shaking my fists at them :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Because FriendFeed continues to be perceived as too hard to use, too much information, too difficult to make it display what you want it to display, too desktop centric, et al. And they are right.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF might be a complex enough web service that it needs to step forward and make its own desktop and mobile clients, in its own vision. Quality clients straight from the horse's mouth would bring the experience out of the browser the way it's meant to be.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I disagree. Their mobile site is top notch, and as for desktop app, just use a chrome instance on windows or a fluid.app on mac, works beautifully, shortcuts and all.
- Evan Travers
from Android
Scoble: I think Twitter makes it much more difficult to make it display what you want it to display. Without some type of Folder structure, Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
TWITTER TRACKER TWITTER TRACKER
- Rochelle
1UP Rochelle
- Akiva Moskovitz
ff needs to read my post about how they will make money - that chart would change if they would listen :)
- Allen Stern
thanks for keeping score
- chaz2b
Robert if people can figure out how to navigate the iTunes store or buy something on amazon, then they shouldn't have any trouble figuring out Friendfeed. It's not that complex.
- Jeff P. Henderson
from iPhone
Who is searching for "hip hop distribution" so much and what does that even refer to???
- Mitch
interesting point Robert. I wonder how they could improve it. I know that one thing that I would like would to be able to import all of my Flickr contacts into FF. I think there are a huge number of potential Flickr users who would use FriendFeed if it had that capability. Not sure why they don't implement that. It would be very cool to match up my Flickr contacts with their FF accounts and auto set up imaginary friends for contacts not on FF yet.
- Thomas Hawk
FriendFeed still needs SMS - for instance, in South Dakota I couldn't access or post to FriendFeed, but I could Twitter because I still had SMS. Twitter is simply open to many, many more audiences because of that.
- Jesse Stay
I believe that mostly only after Twitter users have sufficiently "banged their heads against" its unwieldiness with larger "following" counts (and no, Tweetdeck isn't a sufficient solution), do they wake up to the idea that a service like FriendFeed is even necessary (someone that doesn't think Web2.0 info filtering as a huge issue simply doesn't need FF). As such, FF is likely always...
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- Alex Schleber
Jesse - Use an SMS to Email client, FFS.
- Mitch
i'm with alex on the paid features, but not $100/year. maybe $50 or $5/month. and totally agree that FF will remain a great tool for power users as long as it stays in its current form.
- Scott Magdalein
A quick look at Quantcast (the far better measurement tool BTW) and you'll see that Twitter's success is tied to a band of addicts and regulars. 1% of the people make up 35% of the visits. FF hasn't obtained this type of hard core following yet. But Twitter is not converting new people as fast as they were - more than 50% of users have never sent a Tweet. How much is now automated Tweet...
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- AJ Kohn
Scoble has provided the best analysis of why Twitter is taking off and Friendfeed is stalled: noise. It's as simple as that. The FF interface is much too cluttered. Try offering the option to hide all comments and large images by default, and see what happens. Multi-column list view. More powerful automated personal prioritization of news. Radically reduce the noise and clutter, while...
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- Sean McBride
one million unique visitor isnt all that much
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Sean: My argument to this is that FF signal/noise ratio is much better to control in FF over Twitter. First, the engaging posts (like this one) float to the Top. But secondly, I can move people that create more noise than signal to a High Volume Folder. This gets rid of a lot. On the screen real estate, I kind of agree but love being able write longer items (like this). Agree that Filter types needs improving.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Technical people, savvy people, early adopters - you know, cool people like us - know about FriendFeed, but if I talk to my family about the web then they'll have heard about Twitter and Facebook and MySpace but there's a complete blank look if I say the magic word FriendFeed. The failure is one of marketing and usefulness; there's nothing complicated or restrictive for mainstream users about using FriendFeed but what will my parents get out of it and how can it be promoted to them for example?
- Mark H
Mark brings up a great point, it's the flock effect for most. They go where there friends are or where they think their audience is and that's mass marketed sites. I personally like Friendfeed this audience size (though I understand they would prefer to grow).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
FF, a long way to go, but Twitter can't sustain this growth for long time
- Michael_techie
Hello Thomas, Thanks for sharing, have you make any revenue through twitter? How you done this?
- Rohit
Revenue through Twitter? not that I'm aware of Rohit. I've sold a lot of photos on the internet and get money from ads when people read my blog, but I wouldn't say I've made any direct revenue through twitter directly.
- Thomas Hawk
manielse says: "Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness." Absolutely not true until you go to the trouble of setting up lists, groups, and searches. All of which you can do on Twitter with clients like TweetDeck. Or, just do as I do: don't follow thousands of people.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian, my point is that I don't need a 3rd party tool to do it in FF. Yes it's a little work but worth the effort IMO.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
friendfeed is too complicated for the average user, is a pain on mobile(reason I use it less than twitter), and doesn't have Ashton Kutcher or anyone comparable. It's a better product that will never really go "Mainstream Pop".
- Cody Heitschmidt
Friendfeed is where all the really *smart" people are. Yes, I mean YOU. :-)
- Karma Martell
I agree Karma! :)
- Thomas Hawk
Ditto Karma and Thomas! And there's so much more here on FF. You can do so much more with creativity.
- Myrna
"FriendFeed? My friends are all on Facebook. What's a feed?"
- Chris Baskind
My friends are joining Facebook. Twitter not so much (although corporations seem to be catching on). FriendFeed - nada.
- Mitchell Tsai
What does FriendFeed need? IMO Paths, signposts, places-to-go. In my past life doing HCI (Human-computer interface), ~50% of people don't get "directory" structures much less anything so info-rich as FF. See my posts on Myers-Briggs, where most people here are a minority of the general public. People here can read 100+ blogs & new sources. Most people are overwhelmed. If you simplify...
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- Mitchell Tsai
and how many twitter accounts are actually in use, posting and interacting? there are a lot of dead twitter accounts. the main problem with friendfeed is it gives to much power to your friends to change the priority of your posts. there should be a linear mode
- Noah David Simon
Chris's post brings an interesting piece to the "too complicated" debate: Facebook is actually more like Friendfeed than Twitter. Facebook is very complicated in many aspects yet it's mainstream. Point being, FF is not really too complicated, it's just not a household name (and I like it that way).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
How much of Twitter's growth last month was spurred by Michael Jackson's death? I'm guessing it drew a number of new users to the service.
- Mark Wilson
What would I like - "Find me 10 people talking about cancer related topics." "Give me 20 hot technology discussions." "What's happening with 3G networks and the future of WiFi?" "Whose birthdays have been happening?" "Waterfall pictures" "Swimming discussions" etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
Manielse: Facebook is a great way to share pictures... FF is more text-based.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, I think you are on-target. One approach might be topical subdomains.
- Chris Baskind
Mitchell, you're just subscribed to the wrong people.
- Myrna
Facebook is hardly just about Pictures (yet I admit done much much better than FF) and is very text based.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Manielse, ditto
- Myrna
Pictures? I'm on fb and have 1000 friends or more, not as many as Sarah Palin. I love posting pics on FF, better than fb
- Myrna
It's just that regular people like fb. My whole family is on fb and that's a lot of people. They wouldn't be interested in FF.
- Myrna
Facebook also has critical mass. To make another comparison, Tribe.net offered a wonderful service (with some early investor money), but only achieved critical mass in the San Francisco Bay Area - mostly with the alternative "Burning Man" crowd. Tribe.net is kick-butt for SF events, but sucks in LA. MySpace started with the music scene, but managed to grow. Where will FriendFeed go? Can it move past techies, bloggers, and a few photographers?
- Mitchell Tsai
Not unless it develops hooks, as you suggest. Particularly since its community really seems resistant to growth.
- Chris Baskind
Which is a shame: FF is really slick.
- Chris Baskind
Facebook has not reached critical mass with my college classmates (1982-1989, age 40-50). Only 3-8% are on Facebook, and I still haven't seen a mad rush (including my Tech CEO/CTO friends). Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences. Whereas, 30-40% (maybe more by now) are on LinkedIn. My dance communities (a few thousand people) made the cross-over to Facebook in the past year - perhaps 95% are on Facebook (compared to about 5-10% last year).
- Mitchell Tsai
Honestly, most people come to Friendfeed and see constant discussions about Friendfeed. That's just what they see. It's A list narcissism on speed with a mob mentality. And don't take this up with me, look at the graph again. Take it up with the people that come here, see what they do and leave. Maybe it's good that it is that flat to the established community here, but I'm sure the founders cannot be pleased.
- Mike Lewis
I always love the "Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences" quotes. It's so true that people are afraid of these tools. If you think about it HRs would love to see your FriendFeed, less work for them to find all of your online postings. I can understand the fear is being transparent and open but private people in my opinion raises more concerns...makes me question why they are so private?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: Because one stupid picture can cost you your job as a high-school teacher. Traditional institutions are so conservative. Some high schools prohibit their teachers from using Facebook (for fear of lawsuits from parents), even though some college professors are now using Facebook in their classes. I have some high school principal friends, and the fear of lawsuits from students...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Some interesting points raised here: http://ff.im/53C52 about FF's lack of growth.
- Kol Tregaskes
Mitchell: I hear you. It's just so sad that these things (Lawsuits & fear of loosing job) happen though. Fear is such a powerful force.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
And I just shifted completely over to ff this week.
- Rohit
like your post on how friendfeed could work better with flickr too
- Kate
friendfeed is such an awesome blogging tool it would be a shame to ruin it with a community that I have no control over. I kind of feel the same way about Seesmic
- Noah David Simon
Who's Abandoning Twitter? - http://valleywag.gawker.com/5311026...
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Jannifer, is your name Oprah?
- Louis Gray
lol - perhaps I should read the article... sorry, I was just answering the question! I'm not someone that matters like Oprah!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Never really used it much in the first place.
- Jeff P. Henderson
While it was a great bit of mainstream exposure for Twitter, I'm not sure Oprah matters like Oprah. 33 days? A shame.
- The Letter M
Twitter (and FriendFeed) are great forms of entertainment, but ultimately for both I find that the flow of stuff is just not enlightening. Do we really need this information or are we just playing around?
- Paul W. Homer
If more of my friends were on FriendFeed, I would in a heartbeat
- Keith Bourgoin
Quite a few. According to Nielsen, "more than 60 percent of U.S. Twitter users fail to return the following month, or in other words, Twitter’s audience retention rate, or the percentage of a given month’s users who come back the following month, is currently about 40 percent. For most of the past 12 months, pre-Oprah, Twitter has languished below 30 percent retention.". http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsen...
- Aviv
Since I really use FF, I don't use twitter directly anymore. I'll soon abandon the twitter service.
- DAL
My mother in law recently said she wanted a twitter acount. So I'm gone
- Martin Liechti
from fftogo
This is funny. I said this to a friend just the other day. The more successful that Twitter becomes, the more likely it is that early adopters like some of us will not want to stick around. We kinda like our peace and quiet or at least a dull roar that we feel we have some influence over. :)
- Sid Burgess
hopefully spammers but I am guessing that is no
- (jeff)isageek
LOL Martin!
- Bonnie Foster
I'm just about there... just when it's going mainstream...
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I've left Twitter for identi.ca. Most laconi.ca-based websites are spam-free, and there are a lot of interesting people on identi.ca.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I keep a Twitter presence because a lot of the people I want to communicate with are there. Some days I feel like Twittering a lot; other days I feel more like FFing.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I use FriendFeed more for interacting with people, but Twitter's still got a larger userbase, so it's essential to have a presence there - just like it is on several other social networks
- Nathan Chase
Not abandoning but preparing to lessen the TwitShit by spending more time here and other places that link here.
- Ron Hagenhoff
Ron, you know that in Twitter you have the marvellous ability to *not follow* people? :) Seriously, if you find someone on Twitter is too noisy/spammy/whatever, just don't follow them.
- Ian Betteridge
Brett Kelly to Brett's feed, FriendFeed Feedback, FriendFeed API, FriendFeed Hacks, Louis Gray, Johnny Worthington
Ok, so I built a little tool to batch-unsubscribe from FriendFeed users. It will be styled later, but it does the job. http://ffbatch.brettkelly.org - please test it out and let me know if it breaks :)
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Hi Brett, could you contact me via ahmetalpbalkan-gmail.com , please?
- Alp
Alp - I'm at b@brettkelly.org if you'd like to chat
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Alp wants to be King of the FF ecosystem :)
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
how's it work? I'm too scared to enter my username and my remote-key heh
- Rudolf Olah
Really? Why?
- Brett Kelly
from email
ah, yeah, I actually meant to do that before posting it :)
- Brett Kelly
from IM
I'm just used to sites that show some brief example of how they work, or that have a screenshot or whatever :P
- Rudolf Olah
No, don't bother hiding the passphrase. How often are you using something like this from a public computer, or where someone can see your screen?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Brett, it would be nice if the tool showed some metrics next to each name (comments, likes, some kind of mutual compatibility or engagement measure) and let you sort by that as well.
- Michael R. Bernstein
This is great Brett! Is the source somewhere or is it closed source?
- EricaJoy
I may open the source up at some point, but I have large plans for the FF API (not necessarily selling anything, but plans nonetheless). We'll see how it goes :)
- Brett Kelly
What do you want to do?
- Brett Kelly
To subscribe to all her subscribers http://friendfeed.com/ericajo...
- Jérôme Flipo
actually, you could probably scrape somebody's subscribers fairly easily (until the API supports it, anyway).
- Brett Kelly
from IM
Brett, could your page have a link to the remote key page? Perhaps open the window in a new tab.
- Kol Tregaskes
Could the characters for the remote key also be masked?
- Kol Tregaskes
Is it possible to select all/none plus select by friends lists?
- Kol Tregaskes
Need select all button :)
- Live Crunch Blog
what's my remote key?
- BEX
BEX, you'll see it by going here (you have to be logged in of course): http://friendfeed.com/remotek...
- Micah Wittman
Why Music Moves Us: Scientific American - http://www.scientificamerican.com/article...
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"New research explains music's power over human emotions and its benefits to our mental and physical well-being"
- M F
from Bookmarklet
Actually I've met a couple of people who claimed not to like music, I mean any music did not give them any pleasure and I found there was something strange in the way they interacted and related to other people. Obviously my observation is purely empirical and based on very small numbers.
- M F
State of the Art - Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better - News Analysis - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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"And now we have yet another me-too effort. It’s something called Bing, and it’s the latest iteration of Microsoft’s multiyear attempt to imitate Google. The name, presumably, is supposed to evoke the sound of a winning game-show bell. The cynics online, however, joke that Bing is an acronym for “But It’s Not Google.” Here’s the shocker, though: in many ways, Bing is better."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"At first, Bing is pretty much Google. Oh, there’s a big National Geographic-y photo on the home page instead of plain white, but otherwise it’s the same deal: a search box; a menu that offers to complete what you’re typing; and inconspicuous links to Images, Videos, News, Shopping and Maps. Once you hit Enter, however, you can’t help noticing Bing’s more concerted effort to get you...
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- RAPatton
"Here’s another example. On Google, search results usually appear as a long list of blue text links. Occasionally, a photo appears, too. Or, if there’s only one possible answer for your query (weather, stock price, sports scores, street address), you get that answer right at the top: a five-day weather forecast, a stock chart, game scores, a street map. In those cases, you don’t have to...
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- RAPatton
"Google is still way ahead on other kinds of searches, like movie showtimes: You get a complete table of nearby movies, complete with trailers, reviews and even links to IMDB.com (the Internet movie database). Google also wins with maps and driving directions; it offers features like Street View (actual photos along your route) and the ability to drag the colored route line to...
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- RAPatton
"People won’t start dumping Google en masse; Google is a habit. Everyone already knows how to work it, and it may be built right into your Web browser. But if you value your time, you should give Bing a fling. Put another way, even if Bing really did stand for “But it’s not Google,” that is not necessarily an insult."
- RAPatton
SMEDIA FEATURE STORY - PR2 Business Model Leads to Increased Economic Activity http://online.wsj.com/article...
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LOL
- Anna Haro
now that is one contented cat.
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
That is awesome!
- vicster
Really? I was thinking, "I'm melting, I'm melting!!!!!
- JA Castillo
Or MELTING I can see that..
- Moved to Facebook
from email
We just launched a "Secret email address" service that makes it possible to post to groups anonymously from any email address. This is a bit of a power-user feature, but it's a very useful for automated posting from scripts, forwarding email (e.g. customer service email), etc.
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Here at the office, we use it to forward all of our mercurial changelog emails, server push notifications, etc to a private group. That way, we all see what's going on in real-time (thanks to the notifier: http://friendfeed.com/setting...), and can easily discuss them from the FriendFeed interface. To add a secret email address, click on "Import a service" in the "settings" dialog of any group. For regular posting, you should continue to use the normal email interface though (share@friendfeed.com or groupname@friendfeed.com, see http://friendfeed.com/share... for details). Thanks to Tudor for writing and launching this!
- Paul Buchheit
Shhh! This is very sekret!
- Andrew Trinh
Interesting. My secret FriendFeed toy.
- phil baumann
I'm in my Private Group, but for the life of me I cannot find this option. Wouldn't it be under Edit Settings?
- Nick in Manila
Ah. NOW I see it.
- Nick in Manila
I am loving this feature idea... Very savvy for business use. Thanks!
- Susan Beebe
This won't be happening in the main feed will it? Anonymous posting destroys services.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: No. Your home feed only shows things that you're subscribed to. Of course, if you're a member of a group whose admin allows anonymous posting, and you have that group on your home feed, then the anonymous posts will show up there -- but then, you can always leave the group or remove it from your home feed.
- Tudor Bosman
oh this is genius. there's so many use cases that can leverage this. platform +1
- Sameer
Groups already allow "anonymous" posts -- if you (as an admin) add a service to a group, posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user. You can think of anonymous posts (whether imported from RSS services, or posted by email) as being the responsibility of the group admins -- it's their job to police them if they deem necessary.
- Tudor Bosman
I see this working for the Confessions room. What else?
- Josh Haley
Sounds like the email can be sent from any arbitrary email address, not necessarily one registered with FriendFeed for an account? So the secret really needs to be kept secret to valid potential posters only.
- LogEx
Logical Extremes: Yes, that is the point; it doesn't matter what address you send *from*. Sometimes you can't control the address that mail gets sent from. A few examples: your datacenter can notify you by email of any problems affecting your servers, but you'd prefer these notifications to go to a FriendFeed group. You are subscribed to a low-volume distribution list, but you'd rather...
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- Tudor Bosman
Paul has explained how we use this feature internally at FriendFeed. If one of us checks in a change (we use Mercurial for source control), Mercurial sends an email to a secret email address for a private group (that all FF engineers are subscribed to); the others see the change immediately, and we can discuss it in comments.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, how would you respond to said email if it is forwarded to the group...
- ld
Cool! Very useful for room owners. If you don't have instructions, it's very hard to find. "Sekret"
- AJ Batac
LD: I don't understand. To which of my examples are you referring?
- Tudor Bosman
Oh yeah. Laughing uncontrollably. WOW.
- Webferret
It sounds like a pro-spam feature. Have you thought through all the consequences?
- Tim Tyler
Tim: the group admins should keep the address secret and only share it with trusted services. If the address gets leaked, then the group can get spammed, in which case the group admins can delete it or change it (which prevents all future mail to the old address from being posted to the group). We believe it to be reasonably secure, but please let us know if you notice any problems.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, what is that group, so we can get the engineers working on putting the service icons and service sorting back without having to hack the service with scripts?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: :)
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, you said: "posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user". But the posts /do/ show up as belonging to the admin user in a _search result_.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan, that's a bug that already existed with how searches handle imported content in groups (not specific to this release and already on our list, thanks).
- Dan Hsiao
Tudor, I'm talking about the forwarding customer emails use case. If you forward the email in. I presume it's captured and I can't think of a way to reply to the customer. The discussion idea is cool tho...
- ld
LD: You're right, you can't reply from within FriendFeed. You could have the contact form send email to both the internal group and a regular email address, which you can then use to send a reply.
- Tudor Bosman
That's what I thought... So you might want to characterize that use case as a cc instead of a forward....
- ld
Tudor: btw. regarding mercurial, what's your experience using mercurial in friendfeed vs perforce in google?
- Amund Tveit
Tudor - what I really like is the business use cases you're laying out here, including your own internal engineering ones. Good stuff, as my e2.0 buddy Sameer above says.
- Hutch Carpenter
using this feature to post blog uptime statistics for several blog to blog owners
- Jeroen De Miranda
Its a good feeling when you know that the people behind a certain product know what there doing. Dont we FF Team?
- Webferret
Use case? How can one use the best readily filtering system available (Gmail filters) with best of breed group collaboration (Friendfeed). This is GOING to become the best in its class. I can drop so many business tools(that i pay for) for just FF Private rooms
- Webferret
Already is Webferret, already is...
- Chris Heath
sweet
- D Lets
Turn Gmail Into Your Personal Nerve Center http://www.micropersuasion.com/2007...
- Webferret
Amund: Mercurial works. We use it in a mostly-centralized setup (one central repo that we sync to very often). Can't really compare performance -- our repositories are tiny compared to Google's. We can take this offline if you'd like to discuss this in more detail.
- Tudor Bosman
That's a great add-on. Slowly, FF is going to be our "life center"
- Ozkan Altuner
So this is kinda like when you posted the "advert"? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: not quite; the "shameless self-promotion" showed up as an entry in your home feed, without any user (or group) name attached to it. Entries imported into a room (via RSS or via email) show up as being in that room.
- Tudor Bosman
OK, Tudor. I'll give it a test later. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is a cool idea, but it only seems to import the mail subject title only. Is that right, if so, how do we get the content of the mail in, or is it not meant to do that?
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
Keith: it works for me. The subject goes in the main post (FF thread title?) and the message appears as a comment to the thread. Maybe you are sending an HTML e-mail?
- alieb
Cheers alieb, I just tested it by forwarding the first mail in my inbox and that didn't show anything up. Creating a mail and adding some text to the mail body works correctly. Thanks for the help.
- Keith Bennett
I just figured out a new use for this feature and it goes in line with Kevin Rose's idea for an Open Source security system. http://www.facebook.com/video... He was talking about having a neighborhood watch like program. Well each neighborhood can have a private room here in FF. If someone tripped an alarm in your house, it would send an email to the secret email for the private group and everyone in the group could be notified via email,IM,SMS,etc.
- Bryan Lee
I think this secret address should be reminded somewhere in each group settings window.
- Zackatoustra
@Bryan Lee. shhhh lol
- Webferret
Zacaktoustra: group admins will see the address in the "services" window (click "add/edit" under Services in the settings dialog). Other group members will only see the words "secret email address", as, well, the address is supposed to be secret and only visible to admins.
- Tudor Bosman
could we have this for home feeds as well? some 3rd party messaging services will send from various addresses. great feature, thanks!
- Mike Chelen
I'm blonde so maybe need to tell you what I'd like to do and see if it works: I would like to have my ATT mail, my Yahoo mail AND my gmail all feed into a FF room so I could read it all at the same time (ATT and Yahoo are partnered so you can't sign into both at the same time. Both go through Yahoo's sign in page.) Is this possible to create? Having ATT and Yahoo feed into my Gmail through FF would be okay as well, btw. I get FF feeds through GMail already.
- Molly
Molly, what you're asking for is totally unrelated to this thread. If i was you I would set up gmail to receive the mail from your other email addresses. It's a bit complicated but can be done. Try reading this lifehacker gmail article first: http://lifehacker.com/374610...
- Chris Heath
Well said Heath
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Heath, thanks. I told you I'm blonde. :-P I tried your suggestion already and so far haven't been able to hook ATT and Yahoo to my Gmail (both being POP accounts) w/o paying extra. Will work on it again later. It's not THAT much trouble to check all three accounts from different sources.
- Molly
from email
Molly, another option (if att offers it - i know yahoo does) is to set up forwarding so the email is automatically forwarded from ATT and Yahoo to your gmail address. Then once in gmail you can use filtering (by the to: field) to separate out the emails
- Chris Heath
I think that's the paid service from Yahoo. At least it was when I investigated it a few months ago. Thanks for thinking about it for me, though. Us techblondes need all the help we can get re: setting stuff up. I'm kind of on hold right now anyway (trying to recover my domain name and identity....... long story and boring to all but me). Molly
- Molly
from email
Wow! This is awesome! Thanks.
- Svartling
Phase 4 Of Facebook’s Systematic Attack On Twitter: The Everyone Button - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Interesting stuff. I have already set the privacy settings for my Status updates to Everyone :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
That sounds dangerous to me. Too many people have far too much private info in their Facebook profiles. Personally I keep everything either entirely ficticious or just truthful enough to be useful to a coterie of friends. I am not publicly available on Facebook and have no desire to be so.
- Gilbert Harding
Great post. Facebook should stick with what they do well. But the Iran issue is a real boost for Twitter, all they need to do is figure out how to make money now.
- Rob Truman, USN Ret.
Dell Makes $3 Million in Sales Through Twitter - http://www.techspot.com/news...
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i've seen similar headlines before... the article mentions that $3 million is a drop in the bucket for Dell, but i'm not sure it's that big :-D a decent quarter for Dell is $15 billion in sales. $15 billion / 90 days = ~ $166.666 million /day. divided by 24 hours in a day, Dell has sales of almost $7 million *per hour.* :-D so total (cumulative) sales through Twitter over the last couple of years (since 2007) is maybe 30 minutes of a single typical day on their web site Dell.com...
- Karim
Karim: Great analysis and dose of reality.
- Ken Camp
Ya, ok. Why can't Dell just go bankrupt. I honestly can't stand their company, so sorry Leo, who swears by the company. Go Apple.
- Zachary TG
You know what? Given that it's money just sitting there on the table, and given that they're proving that Twitter can be a channel for revenue, I'm all for it. Good on ya, Dell.
- Chris Brogan
I agree Chris. Good on Dell for finding a good business use for Twitter. I just want the dollar value kept in real perspective and not blown out of proportion myself.
- Ken Camp
The real value of social media tools like twitter may be to brand, customer service, and sharing information. Those type of activities are hard to quantify, but they're important nonetheless. I don't know of any companies that would turn down an extra 3million dollars in sales for little additional cost/overhead.
- Mark Essel
yeah my point was "perspective," not "twitter sucks." Dell has a lot of sales & marketing -- web ads, print ads, mailed brochures, etc. i have no idea whether Twitter is a more or less efficient medium for sales as compared to, say, the email messages i get from our Dell sales rep. that's actually a more interesting question to me: given that Dell can email or tweet 600,000 people with nearly the same amount of effort, which results in more sales?
- Karim
Didn't mean to imply that you did Karim. Just that dollars headlines are head fakes when it comes to the real value of business presence within social media: 1) knowing the customer, and 2) having the trust of the consumers.
- Mark Essel
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I'm curious who discovered / invented the technique... hmm
- LarchOye
Some of the best long exposure photos I've ever seen! Special thanks for sharing that one.
- Jim Gablick
Really amazing photos
- LeighaB
These pictures are absolutely amazing
- Nicholas James
Facebook vanity URLs coming this weekend | The Social - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
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Facebook's 200-plus million members will be able to customize the URLs to their profiles starting at midnight Eastern on Saturday, according to a post on the Facebook blog. Currently, users' profile URLs have been structured as a string of numbers. At least for now, it doesn't look like the switch is mandatory.
- Leo Laporte
MySpace had this YEARS ago. AND Glitter Graphics, Shitty Profiles, Spam, Single Moms, "MySpace Angle" Pics, etc. OK. But, might there be a bunch of Facebook URL Squatters ?
- PaulFrankRizzo
Supposedly accounts created after 3PM EDT today and anyone who made a Page after May 31 cannot get one, so you can't make 10 accounts this week and find yourself with tons of great URLs.
- Cory Roush
And I too, sir, will claim my vanity....
- Anthony K. Valley ©
already got one: http://fb.glencampbell.name
- Glen Campbell
Glen, show off.
- ♥patricia♥
Leo pls check yr email ...thx
- Johni Fisher
Well... yes... that reminds me. SocialToo has been doing this FOREVER for Facebook profiles.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I'm just testing my friendfeed iPhone app!
- Jonathan Langdale
Testing
- Jonathan Langdale
from Alert Thingy
Anthony, yes, and we'll still offer the service. I've got a few other ideas up my sleeve surrounding that as well. It's great to have competition.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder how hard it will be for me to get "Stephen"? There's only one Stephen in the World! Unless, of course, I don't get it.
- Stephen Pickering
Mark your calendars people...
- Coleman McCormick
Nerdgasm...
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Make sure to wash up after that's over. :P
- David Cook
Awesome!
- Trish Haley
:D
- Penny
It's bigger than your face!
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
Please, keep your mouth closed during the nerdgasm.
- Andy Bakun
I have a MBP that's two years old. 17". I have no real need for a desktop, so my next purchase will be either the 13" or 15" MBP. Depends on how spendy I feel. Probably wind up with the 13" though, because I'm finding more and more often that I want more portability.
- Bradley Farless
very kool
- (jeff)isageek
Did you shake the box like a kid on Christmas?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
...and you had to go and rub it in! ;)
- JA Castillo
LOL Congrats!
- Anika
Oh you lucky man. Hopefully my new one is here by next week.
- Thomas Hawk
oh gees.... nice! lol... enjoy! *drools*
- Susan Beebe
Coming Soon: Facebook Usernames - http://blog.facebook.com/blog...
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jungleg or jorge.escobar?
- Jorge Escobar
mona, zee says it's minimum 4 letters. What will yours be?
- Jorge Escobar
Set your alarm.
- Christopher Harley
Already put a reminder on Google Calendar
- Jorge Escobar
want! I set my calendar too.
- Aaron Hood
jorge, mona *is* four letters. plus zee said it was 5 not 4.
- Alfredo
I just double checked the blog: "Your username must be at least five characters in length and only include alphanumeric characters (A-Z, 0-9), or a period or full stop (".")." Damn, I wish it were four!
- Mona Nomura
monaa?
- Jorge Escobar
monan
- Chieze Okoye
nomnomnomura
- Mona Nomura
Have to set a reminder for this. Hopefully no one else is gunning for my name.
- Obayoo
lol
- Chieze Okoye
debating on whether to use just my first name, my full name or my normal username (mastercko)
- Chieze Okoye
For me it's hard because I don't use Facebook for Social Media but for family and friends, so I should go for jorge.escobar. BUT I'll be pissed if someone takes jungleg, which is kinda my brand name. AAAAAAAAAAAArgh!
- Jorge Escobar
Hm. Wonder what I should choose
- Rodfather
Why'd they give so much warning!!! I wish I coulda just snaked my name before anyone had a chance to react.
- Frankie Warren
Facebook is smart - they're creating user generated buzz. Free marketing. :)
- Mona Nomura
Glad they have a way to prevent people from registering trademarks as their user names. Will make it easier to get the company page user name. Now trying to decide what I want as my personal username :/
- Tamara
They are also casting restrictions on newly created accounts to prevent name "squatting" LOL
- Mona Nomura
from IM
bah. don't even think about taking frankie
- Frankie Warren
Argghh... I'm going to be a zombie at midnight!!
- Kevin Whalen
Seems like a good idea. I also have the dilemma of snatching my usual username (vmlemon), vs my full name...
- Tyson Key
Facebook will soon be my business card.
- Mona Nomura
That's 5am in the morning for us in the UK.
- Kol Tregaskes
Grrrr to the 5 letters. Boo!
- Ayşe E.
FB won't let me sign up with "J" as my first name so, none for me.
- jbrotherlove
I'm going with LPH2.0 ;)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I am going to get the name "mona".
- Louis Gray
You will be rejected! Minimum is FIVE!
- Mona Nomura
I am getting it WITH QUOTES! "mona"
- Louis Gray
It's gonna be a mad rush and unlike other services I know of at least one other Krynsky on there who I'm giving the stinkeye to as we rush on that day like we were trying to buy tickets for a hot show on ticketmaster.
- Mark Krynsky
Hahahha! Then I'm getting LOUISGRAY
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I wonder how ugly it's going to get.
- Mona Nomura
I'll get LouisGrayisarobot
- Mark Krynsky
Then I'll get LouisGraysBot
- Mona Nomura
from IM
There might be some username selling, come to think of it. Like the good old '90s
- Jorge Escobar
Facebook isn't allowing newer accounts to snag vanities to prevent squatting. Smart.
- Mona Nomura
I wonder if it's for fan pages too?
- Kate
Fan pages have a restriction: more than 1k fans and created before 5/31/09 http://www.facebook.com/note...
- Mona Nomura
Works for me. Thanks Mona.
- Kate
Any time, Kate :)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Amani - my head just exploded. LOL
- Mona Nomura
Saturday at 2pm for me. Awesome!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
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TechCrunch Now Number Two Tech Blog As Mashable Surges - http://www.businessinsider.com/techcru...
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"According to Compete and Quantcast, the Web's most popular tech blog is no longer TechCrunch, but social media blog Mashable"
- Nicholas James
from Bookmarklet
Mashable is also winning in Alexa rankings too - and when sites are in the top 100k Alexa is pretty accurate ;)
- Nicholas James
Is a social media blog a technology blog?
- David Damore
David: Social Media is Technology. Mashable also cover a lot of Technology News
- Nicholas James
Some of us prefer to think that the fact that TechCrunch was ever #1 is tragic in the extreme. Good going, Mashable :)
- LANjackal
LANjackal: Techcrunch are an excellent Technology Blog highlighted in http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... with some of the recent stories they broke
- Nicholas James
This must be the consequence of Mashable appearing on Twitter's SUL...
- Andrew Terry
Andrew that's probably the explanation plus the fact that they were mainly posting Twitter posts as discussed here http://friendfeed.com/profitb... with responses off Mashable Writer Ben Parr ;)
- Nicholas James
@Nicholas: Really? Since when does shoddy journalism = excellence? See here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009... in which TC explicitly encourages inaccurate reporting using the excuse of "reader involvement". Especially after the Last.fm fiasco, IMO TC's articles hold as much water as the checkout stand tabloids reporting on aliens in the White House. I prefer Mashable's well written, informative posts to TC's rapid fire drivel. Sensation and hype != reliability.
- LANjackal
Twitter growth flat in May 2009
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Wow. This is why I follow you. For stuff like this.
- Dave Winer
Dave - comes with all the usual disclaimers - this is from compete.com, does not include twitter clients etc...
- Atul Arora
If this is true, it's good news. It means the Twitter leaders can come home, and we can all roll up our sleeves and figure out what Twitter is really for. Maybe they'll start working with us instead of looking to celebs for the vision of their future.
- Dave Winer
What's really amazing is I was driving through Virginia last week and every radio and TV station it seemed was talking about Twitter. This shows just how hard it is to get normal people to participate in the geeky world.
- Robert Scoble
@Dave, QFT.
- Scott Ohlemacher
So much for the hockey stick growth?
- Mike Doeff
Growth is slow across most subdomains - http://www.compete.com/m... - You may need to register to see this.
- Atul Arora
For example search.twitter.com is down about 5.5%
- Atul Arora
Maybe now the infrastructure can catch up with the userbase and get rid of fail whales.
- Morton Fox
What's weird is that this isn't really a "geeky" thing. Teenagers across the land text daily and that's all this really is, except to a larger audience. Wonder what is keeping that relationship from connecting?
- Michael Turner
did the facebook changes have an effect?
- Robert O'Callaghan
also scoble is on friendfeed now and that must be 50% of the traffic ;-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
@O'Callaghan That's actually a good point. I'd like to be able to compare this to tweets made from apps and third party pages that use the API.
- Scott Ohlemacher
Thanks: Atul
- Charlie Anzman
It's not the number of users, it's the engagement that matters.
- Matt Robson
Twitter grows 1043% in 3 months and it plateaus for a month, big deal; there's got to be some absorption. LinkedIn actually lost 400,000 visits, where's the panic over that?
- Tom Gray
FriendFeed will beat Twitter one day
- Michael_techie
@ Tom Gray - given all the media coverage, there was an expectation that Twitter would continue its spectacular growth. It is a bit of surprise that it plateaued for a month (as measured by compete.com) and its much bigger competitor Facebook grew faster than it did.
- Atul Arora
Go figure! weird...
- Susan Beebe
Oprah talked about it, everyone that needed to know about it learned about it, now there's no one else. Twitter can only grow so far. My Mom and Dad would never use it nor have reason to use it, yet they use Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed only had marginal growth in May as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Shéa Bennett
I think the use case and interface are still a bit puzzling to the average Joe, at least compared to Facebook.
- Laura Norvig
No worries. It is just digesting the wave that came with Oprah & Co : after a few tries, it takes months (as an individual) to figure out a use, and come back for more. Who can say that he/she starting twittering and coming back to twitter every day since he signed up ? It will start growing again soon. Agreeing with @ Michael Turner : the DNA of Twitter is very similar to mobile texting, except that it's public. Therefore it will reach mass adoption sooner or later.
- Roald Sieberath
Interesting, Mike Arrington deleted the TechCrunch account on friendfeed. My additional thoughts are on mobs and this here:
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be right back with more.
- Robert Scoble
That makes me sad because it was my favorite tech blog to click "like" on. I talked with Mike this morning at an event and he said last night was one of the worst he's ever lived through with the amount of hatred aimed at him. He deleted 600 Techcrunch comments, too, he told me.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, interesting.
- Kevin Whalen
Some of the comments I've seen on both sides of the aisle are pretty damn repugnant. I've had that kind of stuff aimed at me in the past and it's never fun.
- Robert Scoble
he pissed off Leo's hardcore fans
- David Lloyd
wow, deleted the tc account. Scoble: what do you think are going to be the long term implications of this?
- ming yeow
It just goes to show that people love to pay attention to negative things, but rarely to positives, or when people make efforts to make up for past misgivings. Sad, but human nature.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Funny, I remember helping push a mob against some people I really didn't like and a friend really ripped into me for doing that. My friend was right, of course. Interesting that not many people are speaking up against the kinds of comments (aimed personally, not at the substance of what happened). I want to be counted as one of those who stood up personally against the kind of comments I've seen.
- Robert Scoble
600 hateful comments? Puts a knot in my stomach just thinking about it. Have had the occasional hate comments but never to that extent
- David Weedmark
I didn't dig into those treads too much but imagine they got pretty nasty, probably more so on digg. too bad though, i used FF to find lots of TC content
- sean percival
Mark: and Leo should call them back and tell them shame. The kinds of things I've seen against Mike (and some against Leo too) are just awful. People saying that Mike should get cancer and die and worse.
- Robert Scoble
That seems weird.. Why would anyone delete an account on FF. Were they a lot of hateful comments posted to his account?
- Bindu Reddy
thats fucked up Robert.
- David Lloyd
David: Given the number of people who hate Arrington's guts, 600 doesn't seem too bad. Just one person harassing you over a period of years over the net (as I've had) is much worse than 600 random people digging at you once and then going away.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Very strange... Was it hacked?
- Hugo Romano
But don't you think due to a LOT of pent up frustration against Mike? His attitude has always been a point of contentment amongst lots of people i know.
- ming yeow
Bindu: Mike is actually a pretty sensitive guy beneath a lot of bluster. I'm to blame for pushing the friendfeeders to poke at Mike.
- Robert Scoble
ming: there's some of that that's Mike's fault too. But when mobs happen they always go overboard.
- Robert Scoble
SCOBLE: I was the one who posted the video on youtube (MPB326) that everyone has been linking to and I have gotten the 700+ comments to my email account. I can't believe some of the stupid things people are saying on YouTube. Terrible stuff! I was actually thinking about deleting the video.
- Mike Bracco
Sorry but he shouldn't have deleted his FF account. He should have stayed the storm. I think what he said to Leo was out of line, but to receive the vitriol he has is unnecessary. I think he deserves criticism, but not cancer threats.
- kenneth glenn
Yeah that's really screwed up. If those people want to get pissed off at something, come to a third world country and take a gander at all the "real" abuses people do. Talk about making you sick ...
- Nick in Manila
scobe: roger that. I like leo a lot, but that seemed to be an overreaction by him. then the mobs wayyyy over reacted
- ming yeow
ming: and go far further than the problem that incited them in the first place. And Mike rarely gets personal, as far as I have seen, even when his barbs are aimed at something I've done.
- Robert Scoble
Mike acts like a dick. Then again, so do I. I used to have a hate-on for him myself until I realized that really, he's a lot like me... Ballsy and annoying on the outside, but a real human with real feelings on the inside. I'm not afraid to call him a jerk to his face, but that's his behaviour I'm commenting on, not him personally.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I don't get why people feel so compelled to fling poo at Michael. He says contentious things, has strong opinions, and sometimes screws up...that makes him human and reasonably interesting. I think that is a good thing.
- Neal Jansons
Chris: we're all dicks once in a while. I think that's part of being human. Far as I know there's only one perfect human who has walked on the earth and I bet even he wasn't perfect if we actually could get to know him.
- Robert Scoble
Neal: Everyone loves taking everyone else down a notch or two. Primate dominance games.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mike it would be better to post the follow up video on youtube. It was an interesting conversation and would help put everything into context.
- Benjamin Taylor
Neal: Chris nailed it. We love building people up and then dragging them down. I told Mike that whenever I've gotten a shit storm to form it's been when I've been at my most interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Benjamin - yeah I wish I also captured the conversation a little while after between Arrington and Leo where they talked it out.
- Mike Bracco
This is sad
- Johni Fisher
Arrington works his ass off, I've watched him as he's gone after a story. I can't do what he does.
- Robert Scoble
Leo has this massive army of supporters, and many more who probably found the clip and came to support him. These weren't neutral third parties giving their honest opinion on the incident, they were Leo supporters through and through. I can't blame him for deleting the account, because I was reading the comments, and they were tough.
- Colin
I'm really surprised that Mike still, after all the crap he gets, feels hurt from these comments by people. But last night he and Leo were both discussing how these comments about "mike should die" are not from reasonable, of right mind people. I'm sad that he takes those comments to heart. And I'm sad that trolls thrive in this place (the internet) I love.
- Lise
Has Leo said anything to his supporters about their attacks on Mike since yesterday, by the way?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
As much as we all may like and respect Arrington, it just seems as if he was trying to create news at Leo's expense.
- Stuart Tracte
Chris, Robert: I know, but Mike is center of poo-flinging more often than most, and he got freaking SPIT on and had his family threatened last year. It just amazes me, and honestly, each snafu just makes me more sympathetic with him personally (I still sometimes disagree with him, professionally, of course, but that is just the biz).
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Colin: yeah, and Leo should have spoken to his audience and told them to stay professional. But that will come back to Leo someday. These things always do, which is why my friend was correct when he told me never to push a mob.
- Robert Scoble
I missed TWiT so I don't know if Leo brought it up or not during the show, but I hope he took an opportunity to tell others that its not their place to fight Mike on Leo's behalf. Especially after they made up.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But Robert, working your ass off isn't an excuse for behaving badly to people or acting the way arirngton has in the past. Hard work doesn't mean you get to be a jerk
- David Lloyd
Neal: yeah, some people become larger than life and it makes people feel that it's OK to do pretty outrageous things against them.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: He didn't. I'm not sure he's even aware of the comments Mike got.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Leo said at the end of his TWIT feed that he "had trouble sleeping last night." Perhaps because of this brou-ha-ha?
- Steve Burgess
Vlad: Thanks. That's a shame, I think it'd be really good for both sides if Leo did come out and say this to everyone. Even if he just recorded a short video clip and tossed it up, standalone.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Whatever either of them say at this point, it has gone beyond them and their ability to "do" anything
- Susan Reynolds
Robert, Leo could have said "please stay professional" a thousand times but come on, this is the internet. Do trolls, who are always ready for a fight, listen to that?
- Lise
Susan: Perhaps, but it would still help allow cooler minds and attitudes to prevail and in a shorter time than if they remain silent.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: I think Arrington would agree with you.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: He brought the incident up, but didn't calm anyone down. Again, I'm not sure he's aware of what's been going on.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Also, the Gillmor Gang section is gone: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/
- Greg Byrne
i still post all my posts here. i can post the other TC ones if you guys want too.
- MG Siegler
Chris, that's true, but there are still a vast army of followers who think they are in the right and just go off half cocked - and stay that way
- Susan Reynolds
Lise: true too.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Lise: probably not, but my friend's words ring true: to hold back mobs as much as possible.
- Robert Scoble
This is 1. not a surprise & 2. mobs are not at the behest of the personalities they follow. They are mobs. Mobs glom onto some perceived raison d'etre and go. If Arrington, after all of his time pushing buttons and twisting tits, is surprised by this, well, he's a whole hell of a lot dumber than he ever gets credit for being.
- Dave Martin
Leo and Steve had a big fight last night: bottom line is GG is off the twit network
- David Lloyd
MG: that would be cool. Techcrunch was my #1 most "liked" feed here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
People saying stupid things in comments? This is nothing new. Sometimes you just don't want to deal with it anymore.
- Dean Clark
perhaps someone could set up an acocunt that will link to TC articles as they are posted in real time
- David Lloyd
Susan: "Madness is rare in individuals--but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." -- Nietzsche
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I hope he recreates it.
- Johnny Worthington
Dave: I don't think he's surprised by it, just shocked at how bad it's gotten.
- Robert Scoble
Perhaps someone could write a piece detailing the mob situation, defending Arrington, and encouraging him to come back, maybe this is it.
- Colin
Dave Martin: I get why he's surprised. There's always a disconnect between someone like him and the so called community, and also there's always a mob waiting to be formed.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Not all of those comments were hateful. he pissed me off more when he deleted mine. I pointed out what he said and then opined that I didn't think it was enough and he deleted this: http://ff.im/3FDfA
- Jimminy
Big names, little names, it's still hard to see hateful things aimed your way. Intellectually most of us understand, but emotions sometimes get in the way even to the big fish
- Susan Reynolds
wtf happened? i missed it and am sorry whatever came to this has come to this.
- jeneane sessum
Chris: good quote! My history teacher in College simplified that to "the masses are asses."
- Robert Scoble
Maybe he is just shocked that not only Leo's community attacked him but also his "loyal" techcrunch community gave him a bashing
- David Lloyd
Robert, I see your point, but I don't need to be told to refrain from attacking someone. I saw what happened. I wish Leo hadn't gotten *so* angry but I respect that he feels passionately. He was defending his integrity. So that I respect. I respect Mike for handling it all so well and not throwing F bombs back. And I love Leo. But I wasn't going to curse Mike or wish death upon him. So those that did, there's no changing them.
- Lise
Jeneane: Mike and Leo got into it on Gillmor Gang yesterday. There's a whole thread about that.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure how taking TC off FF relates to the problems Arrington was having in comments on his blog. ?
- Nick in Manila
TechCrunch Question: I noticed that my comments on FF for TechCrunch articles also appeared as part of TC's comments on their site. Is that part of FF API?
- Mike Bracco
Nick: the most hostile comments were in FF comments
- David Lloyd
Jeneane: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Vlad Bobleanta
Mark: Aha.
- Nick in Manila
oh jeez. thx robert. i'm sorry to hear that. sounds like the chorus got active. - thanks for the link Vlad. had no idea.
- jeneane sessum
Mike: You can import FF comments onto Wordpress posts via a plugin
- Nicholas James
Lise: good point, but I've learned that if leaders call on their followers to behave appropriately then they usually do. I don't want anyone who calls for someone else to get cancer to read me, by the way. I am here to have great conversations about tech. Keep it on the tech and we'll have a great time.
- Robert Scoble
Lise, Robert, the hateful comments say more about the idiots who write them than about the two personalities about which the angry words swirl
- Susan Reynolds
Nick: death threats etc
- David Lloyd
Lise: There are those who were ready to tear Arrington to shreds, at least until the mutual apologies of him and Leo came out on TechCrunch. At least, I can't believe I'm the only one who felt like that. Some angry people can be assauged.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: Not sure I agree. The Youtube comments are terrible.
- Mike Bracco
it's difficult to be surprised by the size of this reaction.like it or not, you guys are celebrities.
- Stuart Tracte
Mike: no, Techcrunch had a Wordpress Plugin that was doing that. That Plugin has been removed, too.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: I think the general flip-out crazy needs to be addressed, but it needs to be by an A-lister so everyone sees it. The whole way these things are happening makes the whole industry look insane and unprofessional.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Stuart: The size, yes. The venom of it, though?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
shouldnt be too hard to make an unofficial ff account for techcrunch posts
- David Lloyd
someone wanna go do it?
- David Lloyd
Stuart: that's the thing. We're also people and Mike is sensitive like the rest of us (even if he has built a persona that shows him as above it all).
- Robert Scoble
Mark: Surprised if someone hasn't already beaten us all to it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mark: I'd rather not do that. I'd rather someone at Techcrunch does that.
- Robert Scoble
There are a few existing TC accounts from their feed.
- Benjamin Taylor
Scoble's made the point that FF has structural features to control that kind of stuff. Guess it was overwhelmed.
- Nick in Manila
Chris C, so you were one of the ones wishing death upon Mike until he apologized?
- Lise
well im sure if Arrington took it down, it is probably TC policy not to have FF account, his other writers wont make one
- David Lloyd
Fanboys are going to follow whatever lead they're directed. If Leo had said that Mike had terrible BO, there'd be thousands of Leo disciples telling Arrington to get himself some deodorant. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.
- Jay Caruso
hows this http://friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Jack
Leo is well-spoken, he makes things sound good, he's a well-known likeable guy, and he was the one on video, that's a lot of things going for him if you ignore everything else that's going on, and people do. Just mob mentality and drive-by commenting.
- Colin
Behind every great character there is a real person. I just hope that the more rational people currently participating in the mob realize this and understand what they're doing before they do anything worse.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Nick: well, yes. I wish we could have a team feed from Techcrunch.
- Robert Scoble
I still like Mike and don't think he should have deleted the TC account. I enjoy the TC posts but find that Mike and Erick tend to get to a point that makes me want to stop reading their stuff, and I won't for a few days.
- Jimminy
Just create a public standard feed/group (owner controls posts, anyone can comnent), and import TC from twitter/RSS/whatever.
- Ken Kennedy
Lise: Not wishing death, but I certainly would have given him shit and got up in his face if I had the chance. I don't fight (often) but I do relish giving hell to people.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Done: http://friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Jack
Jay, that's not true. I am a huge Leo fangirl but I also think for myself.
- Lise
The people who were commenting took it too far - Mike Appologised. Leo Appologised. That should have been it although Leo's fans just tried to continue to call mike for no reason.
- Nicholas James
Jack, subscribed.
- Robert Scoble
Lise, it wasn't a blanket statement. I've been a fan of Leo's since the old Tech TV days. Just saying that some will take it too far and it all it takes is the person to open that door a crack.
- Jay Caruso
Thanks, Jacky boy x
- David Lloyd
Thanks, Jack!
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Thanks Jack!
- Nicholas James
Robert, is there anything else that needs doing? I think I got it right
- Jack
Wait... is Jack affiliated with Techcrunch? Why not have MG do this? He offered.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nicholas: At this point I'd probably be calling Arrington to tell him to not take it too personally, that mobs are really just sheep with pointy teeth.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
FF is a focus group in many ways. Sad commentary IMHO.
- Eric Logan
Jack, Robert: MG can handle this. He writes for Techcrunch. How 'bout we not squat on their brand?
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris C, exactly. You just said, you relish giving people hell. You're always ready for a fight. I, on the other hand, am not. And I looked at this situation and considered both sides, despite being a huge Leo fan and not knowing many details on Mike (other than he pisses people off)
- Lise
Is there really much more discussion about this? What is done is done. It's already in the past & let's move on. No one knows how this will affect Leo in the future if at all.
- Jason Hansen
Want to know what else happened? A single moderator in Leo's IRC chat room muted the entire channel, causing the mob to spill into FriendFeed.
- Colin
When I first was diagnosed w/ cancer and the twitter community started the frozen pea fund to donate to cancer research, Mike and Robert were among the first to write about it. As I see it, they both keep a human touch to the community no matter how popular the following. I appreciate that and so maybe its easier for me to see past some of the things that upset the crowds.
- Susan Reynolds
I'm not affiliated in any way with TC
- Jack
are you okay now Susan ? xxx
- David Lloyd
Lise: anyone who does interesting things in media is going to piss someone off. Even me, I try to take reasonable positions and do my homework, but I have lots of haters out there too. It's unavoidable.
- Robert Scoble
Jason, I think there is. Considering Mike deleted his account and the GG site no longer exists on techcrunch. I feel bad for Mike and Steve.
- Lise
OK, if he asks
- Jack
Eric - true - ff as focus group
- Susan Reynolds
Why do you feel bad for Mike & Steve?
- Jason Hansen
Lise: Steve deleted the GG page, if I heard that correct. It will be interesting to see how the Gillmor Gang goes forward from here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, no I get that. But that's my point. I know Mike is capable of that. And I'm way more of a Leo fangirl. Yet I wasn't with my fist in the air yelling "fight!"
- Lise
Mark - thanks for asking. Not OK but very supported by the best of the net
- Susan Reynolds
Basically the only 2 people who should have been involved was Mike and Leo. They both appologised - the mob tried to get involved and call Mike for no reason - I mean after both of them appologising to each other that should have been it - people took it too far with some of the comments I saw yesterday.
- Nicholas James
Because Steve realized his show isn't really his show. And Mike got hell when he didn't even give Leo that much shit to begin with.
- Lise
You know, my main issue with what happened yesterday, is that it was an ego clash. And just that. Funny that in the make-up part Leo kept insisting that he'd like more content on GG and less drama, an hour or two after he himself caused a helluva lot of drama. I do love Leo and watch all of his shows, but yesterday he was overreacting. And I think he figured that out in the mean time....
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- Vlad Bobleanta
ROBERT: oops caps, I do know Leo and Steve had a fight last night and its not gonna be on TWiT anymore x
- David Lloyd
If the mob is acting "in Leo's name", then I think Leo should try and tell them that they're certainly not acting with his permission or blessings. That they should disband and stop attacking Mike.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Steve still seems like he's trying to throw his weight around and try to be in complete control of the show. He needs to remember its not just about him - its about the audience - something he said he didn't care about yesterday
- Nicholas James
My impression is the guy went over tipping point for the kind of character he was putting out there, at some point people are going to say enough is enough.
- Ian Wright
Nicholas: the show used to be private, Im not sure Steve cares that much about the audience
- David Lloyd
Live by the sword...
- Ian Wright
Vlad, it was the final straw for Leo. He had said before that Mike was becoming too trollish during the GG show. And when he felt like Mike was about to attack his integrity, well, he blew up. Unfortunately.
- Lise
gillmor gang is going to be nothing more than a conference call :-(
- Tobias Lewsadder
Nicholas: Steve cares about the audience more than he lets on. He knows that by making things interesting he's doing right by the audience. That doesn't mean, though, that you kowtow to the audience.
- Robert Scoble
Tobias: heheh, in the real time world? THAT I would have to see!
- Robert Scoble
Isn't that your opinion Robert?
- Jason Hansen
I watched the whole thing unfold last night including the after show and it was clear that Mike Arrington spoke before he thought and didn't mean it to come out like people including Leo took it. I am glad that they both cooled down and realized it was a simple mis communication. Its too bad the crowd can't do the same. Mike Arrington may be a pain in the butt but pain in the butts are interesting.
- Kim Landwehr
Jason, sorry, lost context. This is all my opinion. I can't speak for anyone else other than me.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: bing!
- Robert Scoble
"Arrington works his ass off, I've watched him as he's gone after a story. I can't do what he does." Doesn't make his insinuations right. I work hard and couldn't do what he does probably - but that doesn't mean he can act like a jerk - repeatedly according to some.
- Mark Outten
I'm pretty sure the Techcrunch <-> Friendfeed comment sync was disabled a few days ago. Not sure it had anything to do with the dust-up yesterday.
- Ken Sheppardson
Lise: I know why it happened. I understand that was building inside Leo over time. I get that.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert, that really bugged me that Steve said he didn't care about the community. But I agree, he cares greatly about the show and the community. He wouldn't have been so hurt if he didn't.
- Lise
i was blown away by the second episode of gg. it almost seemed like arrington was torn by who he had turned into, at least the negativity that resides within hm.
- Tobias Lewsadder
It's probably just the mob he's upset with Lise.
- Colin
I also agree with Kim. I enjoyed watching GG at 6:00 PM during the last hour of shift at work. I would still watch it as well as TWiT.
- Jason Hansen
He was hurt by some of the comments, he also blamed Dave Winer for alot of problems
- David Lloyd
Mark: who said he's a jerk? Sometimes we're all jerks. And, anyway, when he's being a jerk he usually is keeping it on the story. Not personal. He's taken lots of shots at me but has NEVER said that I should get cancer and die. That's unacceptable.
- Robert Scoble
Vlad, okay and I agree with you that Mike should blow those comments off. I'm shocked he hasn't grown a thicken skin
- Lise
I think that if anyone bothered to read the Techcrunch appology and watch/listen to the 2nd Gillmor Gang yesterday they'd know the full story. The mob listened to the 1st Gillmor Gang only and drew their conclusions - some of that mob didn't even listen to Gillmor Gang - they just jumped on the bandwagon like sheep especially as they saw like a 1 minute clip on Youtube summarising it.
- Nicholas James
I don't know Arrington personally, all I can judge him from is his body of work with TechCrunch and it's top notch. Anyone who criticizes him in a vicious way needs to look in the mirror. A lot of those with the harsh words are probably typing it from their parents basement. I just hate when people rip other people with a pretext of being something else when it's really jealousy.
- Mike Bracco
Lise: it's always easy to say people should have a thick skin until you're the one at the center of a mob getting kicked in the groin. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Mike: bing!
- Robert Scoble
Steve Gillmor clearly stated that he doesn't care about the audience. And that's that for me, Robert. Lise: I can see Steve cares about the show, and especially his brand inside the show. About the audience, he said it better than I ever could. Please believe the man.
- Vlad Bobleanta
I think the Steve-Leo conflict (which was briefly obvious on the show) got totally overshadowed and subsumed by the Leo-Mike issue.
- Nick in Manila
Robert's comment exactly.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert, true. I know I couldn't handle it.
- Lise
Robert: You like Microsoft's new search engine. ;)
- Jason Hansen
Vlad: you aren't listening carefully. I heard what Steve said yesterday and totally understood what he was saying. You can't let the audience drive your product. Ask a Porsche owner what they want and they'll say "more trunk space, smoother ride, more leg room, etc." They just designed a Volvo.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: 100% agreed. I do not want to be in Mike's position, ever.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: all of us in media care DEEPLY about the audience. If you hung around any of these people you'd know that we read every comment and take them very seriously. But the day you start listening to the audience and kowtowing to them is the day when you lose your way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How does the mob get its "justice" then? I have not seen the venomous postings you speak of, nor do I agree in any way that that is the way to go. So, how does this get resolved? I, like many, believe Leo was being "entrapped". How does Arrington get out of this with his reputation intact? He's done alot for all of us and definitely does not deserve the level of hatred you speak of, but something need to be done...
- Stuart Tracte
Stuart: most of the nastiest stuff has been deleted.
- Robert Scoble
Make a good product and the audience will find you.
- Kim Landwehr
Side note: Do not try to converse on FF on an iphone.... had a whole paragraph written out.... and lost it...
- Stuart Tracte
I think Arrington and Leo will come out of this fine, I'm already paying more attention to both of them.
- Colin
Stuart: you should go and listen to the second show we did last night. Leo wasn't entraped. And he didn't have to react that way. When people question my ethics I answer them calmly. I get questioned on that all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Every week someone asks me if I'm paid by friendfeed, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I am listening, and I get your point. I never got Steve's attitude, though. And I was just spinning what he said, I did get the underlying meaning.
- Vlad Bobleanta
(I'm not).
- Robert Scoble
Tonights FF homework: listen to the full GG show to become better informed http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i was in the middle of typing a comment on tech crunch last night when mike shut down the comments, how sad. he mentioned having to have a police car parked in front of his house in the past for similar issues... that is wrong!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
SCOBLE: totally agree! true innovation can't come from what the "flock" is saying they want. True innovators are so because they create something that no-one knew they needed until it is created.
- Mike Bracco
Honestly, I suspect that every person who got really pissed at @arrington over the years but had decided to ignore him went back and told him what they'd thought of him all along. He's ruined companies and products on the grandstand. I read his stuff like I watch fox news, for the truth far from the middle but for clues of what might be left out on the sunny side.
- Shava Nerad
Vlad: Gillmor is an interesting person. I don't always get him either.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, still. I am that community that Steve supposedly doesn't care about. And that's where I almost did pump my fist in the air. When Steve said he didn't care and Leo instantly said he *did* care. But... again, I feel bad for Steve, still. His issue was just loss of control over his baby (the show)
- Lise
Colin: Professionally, sure! This isn't any kind of permanent damage to either of them. Personally, though, I know that it's got to hurt them both.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris, I think they're both tougher now.
- Colin
Shava: He's made many hundreds of companies too. I don't know of a single one that was ruined by TechCrunch. Please back that statement up.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: You'd be surprised. Often the people who seem to have the thickest skin on the outside are the most sensitive on the inside.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Does Leo know any of this, btw? I think he thinks this is all over with...considering he was joking about it all. I think he's embarrassed and trying to make light of it. But I don't think it's over, unfortunately.
- Lise
Seriously everyone who did not listen to the 2nd show shouldn't even comment on it. Infact the problem should be over and done with it was a minor row which ended pretty quickly with both appologising to each other. That should be the end of it. Instead of people jumping on the bandwagon trying to call someone because he has a huge readership base and earns a nice amount of revenue from his blog
- Nicholas James
still watching.
- jeneane sessum
If they were ruined by TechCrunch then I'd have to call that company pretty lame. Remember PodTech? Mike pointed out a lack of leadership at the company. In hindsight Mike was right.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, but that outer skin just got thicker lol, I dunno, I just think it has to be a big lesson to both of them, they'll remember it.
- Colin
Lise: I don't know what Leo is seeing right now. I should call him and check in.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about Mike, but Leo was already making fun of the incident on TWIT, realized their was a slight overreaction on his part
- Kim Landwehr
Colin: Yes, they'll remember it. But that outer skin is just their media personalities. You're ignoring the real people behind those names, and how they feel about it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I don't even believe that Mike was about to question Leo's ethics. He was just upset that they didn't get a Pre. And wanted to make a point about how Palm selects reviewers. I never questioned Leo's integrity. Neither Mike's. I think they'd be really stupid to endanger their careers like that. Which settles it for me.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: Will you pass him the link to this discussion?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Wow...did not expect to learn this when I logged onto FriendFeed.
- Ben Parr
Vlad: you weren't hearing Mike. Please go listen to the second show. He made it very clear why he was asking those questions. Mike asks me all the time about my ethics. It's his way of digging for stories.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you should. I hope they can work this out. It's definitely not smoothed over. Maybe between Mike and Leo but not all 3.
- Lise
Bwana: But we need to know what every single person on FriendFeed thinks about the relationship between Leo, Mike, and Steve... did you miss the memo?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll say this again, but Leo's IRC chat was muted, and chatters spilled right onto FriendFeed. If you were reading the IRC chat at the time, it was 100% pro-Leo. Those people normally don't come on FriendFeed, but when they were muted, this was the first place they came to, because this is the 2nd largest chat Leo endorses.
- Colin
Robert: That's his way of digging for stories... fine. However, is that something you would do to a respected friend?
- Jason Hansen
Mmmyeah, Steve's issue was loss of control over the show. I get that. I've seen how awkward it was at times. But still. How old are these people again?
- Vlad Bobleanta
Lise: that's true. Steve feels his show was stepped on needlessly.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: All's fair in love and war... And in media.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jason: in this business? Yes. I ask MYSELF all the time am I on the right side of the ethical line. And when someone is getting a goodie and I'm not, it sure does make me wonder WHY.
- Robert Scoble
steve should host the show and he boot whomever he wants and not invite back guests he doesnt feel fit into gg.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: I agree. Steve should be in charge of the off switch on his own show.
- Robert Scoble
To run a show, you have to do what Leo does, you have to be able to control cameras and mics, and Steve really needs to get that kind of control, or Leo's operator needs to stay neutral, and out of it.
- Colin
Tobias: Steve should take things offline for making the show, and then broadcast it afterwards, rather than doing it live. That might help reduce the bad attitudes it seems to bring out from its hosts and guests.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I do think Steve had a point, It is his show and Leo really didn't have the right to shut the show down, no matter how mad he was
- Kim Landwehr
Robert: I would like to see the inner of the business for a week or two. It would be an interesting learning experience I'm sure.
- Jason Hansen
Tobias: I think it was unprofessional for Leo to pull the off switch on someone else's show while on air. It makes me wonder how Leo would treat me if I were to host a show on his network.
- Robert Scoble
out of interest. was leo, steve or arrington making money from GG? will this have business implications
- Anthony Feint
Robert: It would depend if you pissed him off ;)
- Nicholas James
Anthony: not yet, but whenever audiences get built around media properties there's always money involved eventually.
- Robert Scoble
No Anthony, this was a Saturday, and people's free time.
- Colin
Chris: Steve lives and breathes "live".
- Nick in Manila
Nicholas: if I pissed someone off they should bite their lip and fire me after the show. That's professionalism. It also gives people a chance to explain themselves. When you're on air it's very difficult to discuss business in a professional way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How much time has Leo spent on the air over the past 10 years or so? How many incidents like this have their been? Seems like you might literally be blowing it out of proportion, re "It makes me wonder how Leo would treat me"
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: I saw the show yesterday. Yeah, I know, my point was more that he was using the ethical question to start off his 'story' about Palm sending review units. Which is exactly what he said in part 2 of the show, when you were on too. And it's exactly what you kinda said. So let's agree to agree, even if my phrasing isn't phenomenal right now :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: I gotta agree with Ken's last statement.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I like Mike, I really do, and I respect him, but he has to take some responsibility. Its not what he says, its how he says it, that rubs people the wrong way
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: that's not the point. Leo has always been on someone else's network. Now he's trying to build a network of his own. That requires a different set of sensibilities.
- Robert Scoble
The interesting thing for me was that about a month ago, on another TWiT show, Leo expressed some negative sentiment about Arrington and the way he sort of "stir things up" to try to get responses out of people. It was on net@nite I believe. Anyway, that is the first thing I thought of when this happened yesterday.
- Mike Bracco
so I guess we are that petty? such a waste of our attention. Lets get back to reading / listening / sharing. Hopefully Mike will consider friendfeed again down the road and shake off all the negative publicity/bad feelings about inciting Leo.
- Mark Essel
but was leo giving free bandwidth to GG?
- Anthony Feint
Chris: I was one of Leo's "Laporteans" and have been a friend of Leo's before I even had a blog. I love the guy.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony: yes, but again, if you are going to fire someone in media, or shut down someone else's show, you should do that off air.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony: but maybe that's just me.
- Robert Scoble
I thought the comments towards Mike yesterday were overwhelmingly positive after they both apologized. I gained a new respect for Mike yesterday.
- Jesse Stay
Robert "that's not the point. Leo has always been on someone else's network. Now he's trying to build a network of his own. That requires a different set of sensibilities" That's why i made it a point to say Leo would be better off Not "Hosting" the GG but being a Out of Studio Guest
- Erle Stride
Mike B, exactly, he was ready to be attacked by Mike. He said it himself. So he went overboard.
- Lise
Scoble: Can't substantiate at the moment, so skip it as unsubstantiated, but I remember 2-3 times seeing what he said about something, and what others said, and thinking, he was just talking things down to be contrarian. It's like ValleyWag -- are you familiar with them? Thing is I rarely have read his stuff lately. I prefer constructive criticism over snark negativity, and that's the...
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- Shava Nerad
As an outsider viewing the beginning of the show, my impression was that Leo lashed out as if their is some pent up frustration/anger towards Arrington.
- Kevin Whalen
Anthony: I think Leo agrees there, too. He said he was wrong to shut down the show.
- Robert Scoble
I think Leo shouldn't have stopped the whole show, after all it is Steve's show. However I can understand why he did. It seems to me he was never quite happy with GG on Twit from the beginning. Which is what he kinda admitted in part2. If the show were to stay on Twit, I think they should just get someone in the cottage to switch between cameras and stuff, and Leo should be a guest. In Steve's show.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Shava: I've been on Valleywag more than 70 times.
- Robert Scoble
I always had the impression, especially after yesterday's second part, that Leo had never heard the show before letting it on his network. "Oh right you chat with Scoble, Calacanis, Arrington, Doc Searls et al, sounds good I'll host it"; unaware of the drama that occurs.
- Jack
Vlad: I agree, and I think so does Leo and Steve.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Leo's talked about what he dislikes in Mike's persona before, but this is the first time things really came to a head.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
squarespace sounds interesting (still listening) - does put #squarespace in your tweet still enter you in the contest?
- jeneane sessum
Robert: yeah I agree to...im just wondering where the shows going to go. ITs going to lose a big audience. I only watched because it was on twit and techcrunch
- Anthony Feint
Probably not a good idea to be a guest and be in control of a show at the same time.
- Kim Landwehr
Leo DOES have the right to pull the show it's HIS network That's why Steve got so Pissy Lastnight
- Erle Stride
Really, he apologized, so shouldn't this be over if it's over between the two antagonists? But then this is the Internet. And yes, I figured you know Valleywag, but this is a general audience as well. A lot of folks don't overlap
- Shava Nerad
Robert, don't you think this is a bit of a soap opera?
- Jon Lebkowsky
Kevin: That exactly the way it appeared to this outsider.
- Nick in Manila
Vlad, I think we all agree that Leo shouldn't have shut the show down. But I think removing Leo from his own network in his own studio is silly. Do you really think he's going to do this again?
- Lise
Jon: of course!
- Robert Scoble
Mike sounded so reasonable last night. He told Leo and Steve not to make any rash decisions about the show, I'm surprised he didn't apply the same wisdom to himself and yanked the TC account so fast
- Stephen Pickering
Jon: of course this is all a soap opera. So is real life.
- Robert Scoble
Shava: The thing is, even if this weren't the internet, all our talking heads would still be talking about this. It's like with any kind of media personality, new old doesn't matter.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
If Arrington had gotten a free Pre to preview this never would havve happened
- Chris Patterson
Sigh. Okay. "Desperate Technorati."
- Jon Lebkowsky
jeneane: No, Calacanis just asked that the listeners of TWiT do that to support the sponsors of the show.
- Mike Bracco
Jeneane The contest starts on Monday. Details at squarespace.com/iphone
- Vlad Bobleanta
Stephen: lots of us can see the sins in other people but can't see our own sins quite so clearly. Myself included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Chris, I see.
- Kevin Whalen
I'm not sure I agree that life has to be a soap opeat, but I have to agree that it often is.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Arrington was treated terribly - no doubt. is this new for him? no. has he treated others terribly? yes. will deleting the account keep people from treating him badly? no. will it stop him from treating others poorly? i doubt it. we all act like jerks sometimes. some of us have a bigger audience when it happens. some of us get a lot more crap when we do it. the folks who get extra crap...
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- MikeAmundsen
Your right, I've got to learn to practice that on myself
- Stephen Pickering
These guys could use some zazen.
- Jon Lebkowsky
lol, Jon!
- Shava Nerad
I guess I missed the terrible part on FriendFeed - TechCrunch or Digg or the TWiT chatroom, maybe, but it seemed to me FriendFeed was rooting for Mike by the end of that show.
- Jesse Stay
Lise: Lol. Dunno, we'll see.
- Vlad Bobleanta
i think this can be debated for days... perhaps finding a resolution should the direction here.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Sad. The Techcrunch items were some of my favorite part of Friendfeed. And I seem to remember an issue Mike wrote about some weeks back that impressed me with non-tech issues he feels strongly about. I hope he comes back with the Techcrunch account because whatever else, a few of us think he's part of here.
- George Hall (Australia)
Jesse: I think the stuff that got TechCrunch to delete friendfeed came last night.
- Robert Scoble
Less chatter, more photon splatter? What's the big deal, everbody's human and loses their cool at times. Some social media/stars/hosts are working very very long days and it's way to easy to fly off the handle when someone questions your rep.
- Mark Essel
Which is sad because that was the only way I read TechCrunch before. Hopefully MG continues to share his posts.
- Jesse Stay
MikeAmundsen: It only takes one dog to bite out your throat. Mike's lucky in this regard that it's a bunch of people screaming at him once or twice and then disappearing into the void, so much as this issue is concerned. When you have one person in a campaign against you for a long time, though, the damage is far worse than what this mob is doing to Mike.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Tobias: yeah, not sure there is a resolution. I hope everyone who listens to me and interacts on my behalf remembers that there's people involved here.
- Robert Scoble
Mike Admundsen - you nailed it
- Liza
I expect the friendfeed, if it was anything like this, was too fast and nasty to moderate, and when things die down he'll be back. I can see me doing that if things got fast and nasty
- Shava Nerad
If anyone wants a divergence from this serious talk, check out this CALACANIS AUDIBLE LOVE DANCE that I just recorded from today's TWiT - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jesse: http://www.friendfeed.com/techcru... - someone remade it ;)
- Nicholas James
Mike kept saying that a bunch of FriendFeeders wanted to see him dead. I never saw those kind of comments. Were those kind of awful things said?
- Stephen Pickering
I suspect they'll get over it. I've certainly had some emotional moments that led me to delete accounts and worse.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Anyway, in a week we'll be back to talking about Apple's new iPhone. Bwana is right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana, tis true lol, I'm excited to see what Santa will bring.
- Colin
And got ove rit.
- Jon Lebkowsky
Robert By the sounds of it
- Erle Stride
One thing to remember, on the internet we are all still people. Attack egos, attack actions but leave the people alone
- Chris Patterson
Bwana: If only Palm had given more people Pre's the other day, we wouldn't be talking about this. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm with Leo - I don't think there will be a new iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Yes, I will get the new Iphone!!!!!!! Yeah, I've been living with a Razor for two years, but I'm not excited about AT&T
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: yeah, but they weren't people who I recognized. Anyway, time to move on. If I ever participate in a Mob again, just kick me in the knees, OK?
- Robert Scoble
Chris Patterson: AMEN.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
h Leo and Steve feel the GG and TWiT don't belong together I just wonder who will be the first to pull the trigger
- Erle Stride
well, you folks solve the problems of the world, I have to go feed folks dinner...:) Seeya later Jon! Nice to run across you.
- Shava Nerad
OK, I will! heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
Tking acct down does nothing to address issue - scoble, we'll kick you in knees if you mob - settles it!
- Liza
Shava: I gotta go play with Milan who just woke up. Seeya!
- Robert Scoble
Yay - saved by Milan, Scoble!
- Liza
Tad: :)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
And yet, a Friendfeed without Arrington is lessened. He was as much a part of Friendfeed as Scoble. Heck, it just doesn't seem like Friendfeed UNLESS you've got both Arrington and Scoble talking.
- George Hall (Australia)
Deleting the FF account was an emotional reaction. I mean, think about it. Will that stop people over here talking about Mike or TC stuff? Of course not. So what's the point then? Just that Mike will never ever load FF again and therefore won't see some bad stuff being said about him? Sounds strange to me. I hope he changes his mind, because being less engaged with the audience is never good in my book. Trolls can be blocked. Bad stuff can be ignored. But to stifle what can be good conversations...why?
- Vlad Bobleanta
robert could it be as simple as... arrington was a jerk, laporte overreacted in attempts to defend his integrity. both were at fault in one way or another. it is the job of the host of the show to end this all. steve needs to step up and ask everyone to drop it.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Now you can't post comments to his last article on techcrunch, how cool is that?
- GeorgeAris
Vlad: when people get beat up they don't always make smart decisions.
- Robert Scoble
Hopefully Mike Arrington will come back to FF after a short time off, He will be missed
- Kim Landwehr
Did someone make the techcrunch account again to save it for him? heh
- Lise
Perhaps it's time we made an effort to make Mike feel welcome back here again.
- George Hall (Australia)
Would there be agreement that this was out of character for Leo and is there anyone following this that hasn't lost it in a professional situation? I sure he meant what he said, although I'm also sure he regrets it happened and feels like an ass.
- Jim Gablick
Tobias: Actually, if Steve can get the two of them in one room and shake hands and tell everyone together to lay off on the attacks, perhaps they might. It's a longshot but it could go a far way to making things better between them all, too.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Talking? I don't see Arrington as a talker...I see (saw) him as a sabre rattler and drama king. Unless there's controversy, he's not quiet. Finally, someone told him to shut the hell up for the tool behavior that's his M.O. Scob, if he couldn't stand the heat....
- C. Jason Mancebo
Karim: LOL>
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Robert: Agreed. I understand.
- Vlad Bobleanta
That drama button was hilarious Karim
- Benjamin Taylor
Jason: I don't think Mike minded Leo going off on him so much. It's the aftermath of having the mobs kick him in the nuts that got to him, me thinks.
- Robert Scoble
C. Jason: He's that too, but it is a talker. He does engage. And when he's not putting up that jerkface public persona, I'm pretty sure he's a nice, cool guy you can have drinks with.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
i cant believe that we are actually discussing this. shouldnt we feel disgusted that someone felt attacked enough to cancel his account. jerk or not he is human
- Tobias Lewsadder
agreed Scoble
- Kim Landwehr
never been a fan of mob mentality myself...
- George Hall (Australia)
Scob, I think it's cumulative. He's gotten away with ALOT of stirring the pot for a while and people just have had it. Be a contributor, or go away....but I certainly don't agree with the "death and cancer wishes"...that's completely unnecessary.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Chris: Mike is always interesting. I was at a tech industry brunch this morning with him and he's always got an interesting conversation going on.
- Robert Scoble
How does the saying go... "Live by the swarm, die by the swarm"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jason: then we're on the same side. Arrington gets to me once in a while too. He knows how to push my buttons as well and get me all wound up. But that also is how he gets stories before anyone else does.
- Robert Scoble
Heck, Arrington's style created BUZZZ. So why treat him badly?
- George Hall (Australia)
It is almost like working for Microsoft. You get attacked daily.
- Chris Patterson
C. Jason: I'm a big jerk myself, on the outside, but that doesn't mean I'm not a sensitive and caring person on the inside. He's more than just his persona, he's an actual person too. Sometimes someone does have to come out and say "stop being such a dick" to me, and no doubt to him. But attacking en mass the way this mob [redacted] is doing, that's just not right.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris Patterson: LOL. Good one.
- Vlad Bobleanta
George: Arrington has done something remarkable. We always talk about him. He doesn't always like what we're saying, but I told him this morning that he has created a media company that is doing interesting things and that he should worry about the day when we're not all mobbing on him for some reason or another.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand Arrington's defense. He's really nice, soft and fluffy on the inside even though he attacks you in public and calls out your integrity? He may have his own issues to deal with, but he's in the public eye and he should expect the wrath of the Internet to reign down when he pulls an asshat move like this one. How many times does he get to slip out of the antics he...
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- Eric @ CS Techcast
Maybe he read the Terms and Conditions here at FriendFeed and freaked out?
- Kenneth Stein
George: that said, it's not always fun and games being the center of all that kind of attention.
- Robert Scoble
+1 on Arrington getting stories before anyone else...when Friendfeed was down a few weeks ago, he was the only one who could provide info on why. Fastest news of that particular day.
- George Hall (Australia)
Robert: Don't I know it.
- George Hall (Australia)
Eric, does his actions, though, really warrant people to wish death upon him? (which is, apparently what he's upset about)
- Lise
Chris Charabaruk: Let's just please not call them Leo fans anymore. A mob is a mob. I'm a Leo fan and was not part of any mob, ever. And I don't want that association to stick in my head.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Chris, I'm sure he is, but too often, people need to hide behind their persona for whatever reason. His is the sabre rattler/pot stirrer...he went WAY too far insulting a pretty good guy's ethics. Not good, but certainly agree with the over zealous backlash..not good as well. I guess "you reap what you sew" is certainly valid
- C. Jason Mancebo
Vlad: I'm also a Leo fan and I totally see your point. I'll edit that bit out...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Vlad, yes. I take offense to that whole Leo fans thing. I'm a huge Leo fan. I don't act that way.
- Lise
RobertS: this seems so reminiscent of the January fracas in Europe. Why is it that Arrington engenders such anger in people (and i'm not talking about Leo here)? this isn't some cosmic joke on good ol' boy MIke Arrington. there's a lot of history here. there's a lot of anger that Arrington has exhibited over a long period of time. don't get me wrong, i feel badly for the man. but not...
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- MikeAmundsen
let him go.
- Stalyn☂
Eric: integrity is something we should always ask of each other. I don't mind if you ask me those kinds of questions. I got a review unit of the Palm Pre too. You SHOULD be asking whether that biases my review in some way. Mike was mostly digging for a story yesterday, not attacking Leo. That's something you gotta know Arrington about. He was digging and got a reaction he wasn't expecting.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I heard that yesterday, and Leo just popped off. Mike really didn't deserve this one, which you can hear. What upsets me now is that I can see he does personalize a lot of this stuff, which was really done by Leo's audience, and Leo's chat room has an audience I wouldn't wish on my worse enemy. I loved it when we started the FF chat so I wouldn't have to listen to Leo's immature...
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- Francine Hardaway
it seems like people who have been angered by mike at one time or another are using this as an opportunity to lay into him.
- Tobias Lewsadder
C Jason: Exactly , it is one thing to attack a persons opinion, but attacking someone's ethics is really harsh
- Chris Patterson
Francine: well said.
- Robert Scoble
We had a good discussion yesterday at a tweetup in the city about the whole thing. I think MIke ABSOLUTELY deserved this one. It's been a long time coming. The whole backlash, not deserved, but not surprised.
- C. Jason Mancebo
WHAT!!!?
- Jason Pollock
C. Jason: if Mike was hiding behind his persona instead of showing the real self, he'd be blasting back at his detractors, not removing their comments and killing the old TC account here.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
NO ONE deserves to have personal attacks that deal with their life or family.
- Chris Patterson
I don't think these are even people who were angered by Mike, it was just mob rule. And there's no such thing as an online conversation that's "a long time coming" and bad enough to make someone want to get away from being online. That shouldn't be the way we act.
- Francine Hardaway
So Arrington and the other guy worked it out between themselves...so why should a mob stretch things any further?
- George Hall (Australia)
Lise, you are absolutely right, that isn't right; no threats are necessary. I didn't see that here however. Not from the regular FF crowd that have regular activity, so I really didn't see that personally.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Chris: Mike wasn't attacking someone else's ethics. Listen carefully to both shows yesterday. He was asking questions. Leo took it too personally, me thinks (he thinks so too, in hind sight). If your ethics are really above reproach you can answer calmly and professionally.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, I think he was hiding behind it in public and now is effected beyond the persona.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Francine: very well said.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Francine: agreed #2. Well said.
- Robert Scoble
Geroge Hall correct.
- Francine Hardaway
George: Mob mentality. 100 sheep on their own are perfectly fine, but if they freak out and charge in the same direction...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Francine: mobs can get out of control here in the real time web. Not sure how we can fix that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, I gotta respectfully disagree with you. He was absolutely trying to make something out of nothing. Totally NOT ETHICAL!
- C. Jason Mancebo
Well, you don't want to be in their way.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
These things push my buttons because I see so much potential for good in the online community and I want the bad stuff to go away. I know that's unrealistic
- Francine Hardaway
Eric, I didn't notice those either but I wasn't the one attacked and wasn't looking for those. Despite that, Mike saw it/felt it. That's the point.
- Lise
Never liked mobs, never liked being on receiving end of them, never liked following any.
- George Hall (Australia)
Making a story is not creating a story. Not cool!
- C. Jason Mancebo
Jason: I can understand how you see it that way. DId you watch the second Gilmor Gang last night? Mike explained why he was asking those questions and Leo answered much more calmly.
- Robert Scoble
I vote we try to help Mike feel wanted here again.
- George Hall (Australia)
maybe leo should join us and ask people to lay off
- Tobias Lewsadder
Robert, I haven't heard the second show, but in the first one Leo clearly said that it was a review unit.
- Chris Patterson
I'm going to email mike.
- Francine Hardaway
Jason: personally the free stuff and review units and access DO bias our reporting and that's something that we SHOULD talk about calmly and professionally. Our audiences should hear our answers. I don't think Mike's question was one that shouldn't be asked. Of EVERYONE.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, did you get a hold of Leo about this yet?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Scoble, I think it was prettied up for public consumption by both of them. Sure, Leo could have been better about it. Absolutely. But I just am not with you on that one. Agree to disagree on this.
- C. Jason Mancebo
You should see the second show. You haven't seen that, you can't really get the gist of it. imho.
- Vlad Bobleanta
This is not about Arrington but about much larger issues and tensions that are brewing - amt of comments is undeniable proof of that.
- Liza
Robert Scoble, I understand your point. "If you only knew him..." I'm sure if I had a beer with the guy I'd grow to love him and all, but I haven't and all I have to go on is what I saw, and I can't side with M.A., not after his history with shooting first with his posts and comments. He really needs to put himself in the mind of the public that find a problem with his actions without...
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- Eric @ CS Techcast
Chris: and Mike, in the second show, explained why he was asking that. Techcrunch didn't get a review unit and his theory is that Palm is only giving review units to people who are saying nice things about Palm.
- Robert Scoble
On the early access units, how in the hell is anyone (Scoble, McCracken, Ubergizmo) supposed to review anything early without early access units. It's not a gift, it's a loaner.
- C. Jason Mancebo
Chris: I'm calling Leo now.
- Robert Scoble
I think Leo was right in getting mad
- Johnathan Schultz
Ask Leo to come in here
- Lise
Come on guys. If you haven't watched the second show, you're blowing in the wind.
- Nick in Manila
This talk of super-scary Friendfeed "mobs" is all a little hyperbolic.
- Christopher A Carr
Leo should not have said such inflammatory things.. Even if he was pissed off he could have handled himself in a professional manner on the air
- Jason Pollock
mike totally clarified himself and leo apologized for taking it the wrong way.
- Tobias Lewsadder
A promoter is not a journalist. Much of what I see on TC, and here and elsewhere illustrates that YOU are buzzing things, creating hype which in part drives it forward. The coverage ought to be balanced though, and it's going to likely lead to unfortunate and unnecessary consequences. This might shed a bit of light on it. http://bit.ly/LfVJk
- Kenneth Stein
Jason: I hate the review unit thing. Walt Mossberg got his weeks ago.
- Robert Scoble
I guess nobody takes Sunday evenings with their families these days, eh?
- Ken Sheppardson
Johnathan: Leo's anger was justified, yeah, but how he expressed it was a bit much. But how the way the mob took it as a call to action, that's bad.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I think it should be stressed that Leo can't be held responsible for anything anyone else says. On the irc chat, here wherever.
- Vlad Bobleanta
It is really too bad the conversation went bad. Mike really did have some good questions to ask about how business ethics and free products review or not. He just started the conversation really badly
- Kim Landwehr
leo's language on the air incited the hate comments that techcrunch got
- Jason Pollock
HI Liza, well, I see it yes and no....this specific thing is a good example of "you don't get to be a shit stirrer and get away with it forever".
- C. Jason Mancebo
Christopher: A mob is a mob, online or off.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Lise, getting threats like that is something no one should go through, I agree. People should act with civility.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Interesting post of Mike Arrington(The New York Times Sunday edition): The Morality And Effectiveness Of Process Journalism :http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Johni Fisher
On the AIR? Lol there's no FCC regulation yet....I'll refrain from scribing the 7 deadlies here
- Kenneth Stein
Looked to me like he was being a jerk and got called on it "what are you going to do about it?" is not the kind of retort that should pass between two adults. That being said, it also looks like Leo has decided to move on so should the rest of us.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Vlad: That's true, but he can still encourage them to act more responsibly.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
J Abdul, I think the "what are you going to do about it" was still when Mike thought it was all kind of a joke
- Lise
Scoble, it's not like they but a hundy in the package and say "review away" :-)
- C. Jason Mancebo
Offline mobs hurt more when they hit you with an actual physical object, as opposed to pissy comments variety of assault from dangerous Friendfeed "mobs."
- Christopher A Carr
Ken S, I just fired up the grill. Great day on the coast in HMB today. BBQ and wine happens soon :-)
- C. Jason Mancebo
we all benefit from the work that mike does. tech crunch has been a daily read for me for years... although you may disagree with some of his methods, is wishing him death really appropriate
- Tobias Lewsadder
C. Jason: They don't have to. Just having the thing before everyone else creates an incentive for acting non-ethically. After all, they give you a review unit (even one you need to return) because you gave them a good review might encourage you to keep giving good reviews for the opportunity to play with the latest gadgets first.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris: Yes, and I think he should. Let's just keep in mind, those are just random people who he probably never met. And in the case of the irc chat, are mostly anonymous. Which is part of the problem imo.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Tobias, i think we all agree that the backlash has gone to far...yes,
- C. Jason Mancebo
Actually, research idicates that being teased and taunted oftentimes is more painful than being hit.
- Kenneth Stein
Who were these random people anyway? Friendfeed regulars, or blow-ins?
- George Hall (Australia)
I agree, and i think this onslaught has gone on far enough
- Johnathan Schultz
George, I'm sure some were FF regulars. I don't think because you have a FF account it makes you of right mind. heh Unfortunately.
- Lise
Just a computer engineer, patent attorney, developing some tech
- Kenneth Stein
@George Hall: Gillmor Gang regulars.
- 321
"Onslaught?" Please.
- Christopher A Carr
People need to get a tiny bit of perspective instead of social media tunnel vision
- Nathan Cooprider
One thing I would really like to see come from this is that folks like Arrington with the "Not quite so stringent, shoot first retract later" ethics understand that people give a shit about that and it's not cool.
- C. Jason Mancebo
George Hall: mostly non-regulars, or that was my impression at least. But not exclusively. Arrington is easy to hate, that's the truth. And some people just need to hate something. Or someone. That is all.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Its just feels like this has gone a little to far
- Johnathan Schultz
Tobias, but I'm not sure that we wouldn't benefit MORE from TC if it was a bit less "NY POST" ish
- C. Jason Mancebo
The whole evening Gilmore Gang put everything into context. It was really interesting, lots of questions and talking points raised regarding technology reporting, journalistic integrity and consumed content. Even a discussion about the GG show itself. It's unfortunate that a few people ran with the 1 minute clip and formed an opinion without looking at the whole day in context.
- Benjamin Taylor
I want to make a quick statement, because this is how it seems to be framed here for some. Just because we are choosing to criticize him doesn't mean we are part of a mob or are threatening him. The debate should not be framed as Arrington versus bloodsucking Friendfeed mob. There is no defense for threats, online or off. No one is debating that that I have seen.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
@Johnathan Schultz: It has, but what are us bored geeks with too much time on their hands to do?
- 321
jason: agreed
- Tobias Lewsadder
Scoble, pretty great day on the coast for an Arrington discussion, no :-)
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