did any of the invites make it yet? they have a really funky invite interface and it is kind of making it seem like I can only invite contacts from services I have ported into inbox2 which will annoy me if its the case
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
grrrr they have the worst invite functionality - so sorry for the delay all - lemme figure out how the hell to send these out
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Sorry gang. I tried twice. If it were just me with the problem, I'd say it was user error...but it appears as if Marco is having issues as well. Their invite setup stinks.
- eEditor
filled out a feedback form - will see if I get a response (it appears to be a simple send a message form vs something more robust and helpful like Get Satisfaction: strike 2 for them)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Hi there, actually we are also using http://features.inbox2.com/ :-) We'll be moving to something more suited along the way, the feedback form gets the job done for now. But anyways, you can also send invites to people using their email address (they don't have to be in your Inbox2 contact list). I'll bring the "sucks" advice to the attention of our UI designers. @aureliusmaximus I'll look into why your invites are not arriving.
- Waseem Sadiq
Waseem: Would really welcome an invite as people have tried sending one to me but I am yet to receive one. Could you help with that: rohitsonika (at) gmail dot com. Thanks!
- Rohit
Thanks so much Waseem - it tells me to put in the email address, i type it in, it says its searching and doesn't find the contact (but the email address I type is still there), I click the Send Invite button and...nothing. No error message, no message sent notification, no invite cannot be sent - nuthin.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
anybody receive invites yet? if not i will try again to see if they fixed it
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Marco: Haven't had one yet. You could try rohitsonika(at)gmail.com Thanks!
- Rohit
Hi guys here is an invite code for you, use this link http://www.inbox2.com/account... (limited availability). I would love to hear your opinion on the Inbox2 beta, regardless of whether you love it, hate it or don't care :-) DM me, twitter me @waseemsadiq or send me an email waseem at inbox2.com, Thx for your patience!
- Waseem Sadiq
Waseem: Thanks for the invite! It is finally working.
- Rohit
When link does not work, just type friendfeedlove as Invite Code
- Robert
from email
plz send me one to monser#gmail.com tnx u !!
- Sergey
Hello, is there one more invite? hmnunes(at)gmail.com Thx
- HN
Sergey and HN - they have been sent - anyone else see Waseem's comment above for invite code - thanks for your help waseem and thanks to everyone else for being patient!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Gee..just what I was looking for! Thanks a lot :)
- Rohit
lol this has to qualify by the longest process from invite request to receipt in FriendFeed history - thanks for helping out Waseem - anyone else who is looking for an invite expand the comments and see Waseem's comment highlighting a special FriendFeed invite code
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I have got 5 invites. If anybody want it they can take from me in exchange of any other valuable sites invite code or pass code. (PM me if interested )
- Arun
i need an invitation code for inbox2. my email is: tarighat_e@yahoo.com
- Ehsan Tarighat
I still like the interactive (somewhat) feature of friendfeed...Twitter is just too self-centered...
- brainno722 (Peter)
"By this time, several prominent FriendFeeders had “liked” the post, signifying their approval." - That's not the only thing like means and it's important to realize that. Shevonne has had a tragedy with her sister and I liked that which I can assure you didn't mean I liked it, it was support. Liking also means remember this or look at this later.
- Todd Hoff
I often "Like" things to get them circulated into my feed so that others who are not subscribed to that person can see them. I wish there were a better method of doing so (aside from commenting, but if I have nothing viable to say, I keep my mouth shut) but that's what we have to work with.
- Hookuh Tinypants
very good and important point there, Todd. seems alot of people miss that aspect.
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
I'm sorry that Chris left, but he needs to realize that clicking "Like" does NOT mean you necessarily like the post. It is a way of pushing that post to your feed. As far as the content of the offending post, well it was offensive to him and probably many more people, but we do have freedom of speech last time I checked. There is a hide button on every post and you can always block...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
WANK ~ yeah express your disapproval etc, but grounds for deletion? LAME cuz, you know, there's nothing offensive on the internet outside of FriendFeed. What if he had found that picture being RT'd by prominent Tweeters? And so on and so forth..
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Deleting his account is a total Diva move. He could have unsubscribed from everyone that commented in the offending post, and maintained his link to all of the rest of his community here without incident. The social media equivalent of taking his content ball and going home over one post leaves us the poorer, but says much about him.
- Justin Whitaker
He did make a statement, just not the one I think he wanted to make.
- Justin Whitaker
It didn't seem to me that it was about FriendFeed at all. It seemed that it was more about his anger about the cyclist situation on roads and traffic laws that were built around motor vehicles and not cyclists. FriendFeed was just the medium to make his statement about that and therefore, incidental. I think Chris' ID picture supports that.
- Melanie Reed
I still think there needs to be a cooling off period. You "delete" and all your stuff is removed for 48 hours, but, in that time, if you have regrets, you can come back and rescue all your content. It's just a shame for everyone you've interacted with to delete all that. I understand when people want to make a point, but a lot of the time after you've thought about it a while you regret any rash decisions.
- Lindsay
Lindsay, I agree. With some risk to stating the ticklish obvious, I think this was a rash decision. Most decisions are when done in anger. And there was clearly anger here...but not at FriendFeed or FriendFeeders. This was entirely about the cyclist situation, physics, frustration, and politics.
- Melanie Reed
I also, want to say that I appreciate Chris' wanting to use fewer resources. that's very admirable! But you can't put a disabled a 30-40 year old with heart trouble on a bike to work. You can't put 65 year old Grandma Whitherspoon behind a 10-speed and expect her to make her doctor's apt on time nor should we expect her to get up at 4 am to make her 8am apt because she's driving 4 mph...
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- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed is better off without him. I'd block him if he were still here, because honestly I don't want to read any of that sort of judgmental asshattery.
- Otto
While I don't think he's being an asshat, I do think he made an extremely emotionally-based decision that could have had a better outcome if he had done things differently. Giving up because you're tired of being patient and taking the time to explain your side of things, or because you can't be empathetic enough to understand that it takes a lot for people to change their point-of-view are, in my opinion, not good reasons.
- ryan
ryan: If he was giving up on explaining his viewpoint to people and just, say, blocking them, then I'd have no debate there. I do the same myself, people who annoy me too much get blocked. Easy. But he's going a step beyond and quitting a service, then announcing why, etc, etc.. It's very "diva", and thus makes me take notice. And his holier-than-thou attitude is what makes me think...
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- Otto
I'm afraid as FF traffic goes down (I'm beginning to admit defeat, yes, but I will still use it and it's a great tool), people are just trying to come up with excuses to switch elsewhere. I think we all admit we haven't found that "elsewhere" yet though. I'm still holding out and pushing that FF makes a comeback or integrates into Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, me too. There is no "elsewhere". Cliqset is the best option but a long way off being any kind of replacement.
- Kol Tregaskes
Those who quit FriendFeed over stuff like this might as well quit the internet.
- Daniel Sims
Cliqset's OK, but it's no FriendFeed :(
- Joe Bonner
I continue to adore Friendfeed this place could have been a monster not just a geek haven
- Thomas Power
I think he just got on his high horse and rode out of town. Bet his blog got loads of traffic. (Yup I'm super cynical)
- Toby Graham
Is FriendFeed a geek haven? I don't see that in the Best of pages (well maybe today with all this iPad rubbish ;-)). :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If your idea of making a statement is shutting up permenantly, I can guarantee I'm encouraging others to "make a statement" as often as possible. PS: Up is down and black is white.
- Alexander Williams
I'll be watching. I have Leo on my tv but you know what's all weird abut this coverage? EVERYONE is excited about it! Even non-apple peeps. I think we're all hoping for something that will change our lives tangibly.
- Sheryl
@Robert - planning to, it's incredibly hard sifting through twitter search to find who is *actually* there versus who is just RTing others
- Jeremy Toeman
This is Raju from iSites Team. How are you guys doing?
- Raju Sagiraju
I'm in Sydney, Australia right now. The TWIT stream doesn't work and the audio stream doesn't appear to work at all.
- Gary
I'm in Canada just up the road and it works fine here, sorry to hear your struggling with the feed.
- Owen Greaves
I would pay to watch a live stream of the apple event!
- Raju Sagiraju
History has it that the Apple -Eve saw changed.... ! Apple is going to change communications and... !
- kailas desai
thanks Scobleizer... I'll stay on this thread then!
- .LAG liked that
i've got Scoble's tech-news-people list running on http://twitterfall.com (disc: I'm the lead developer there ;) )
- Jalada
@HansKainz... thanks for the link, opening up a new window for that... thank goodness I have a 30-inch monitor :)
- .LAG liked that
I'm monitoring #AppleLive on Twitter, Robert Scoble on FriendFeed and Twit.tv
- Owen Greaves
Apple may really need to make this tablet a success since less than extraordinary iPhone shipments in this last quarter may point to rival phones blocking further iPhone steep incline.
- Tim Jones
Ooooh only a few minutes till Apple tablet news kicks off. Can't wait to see what Job's reveals
- Susan Beebe
The Apple announcement brought FF down for a while:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I can't believe Steve Jobs hasn't taken over the live-streaming part of the presentation. My memories are going to be of Leo's voice getting lost in the digital haze.
- Ian McGee
i dont think friendfeed is used to this much activity anymore. site is failing for me non-stop. but i will say my simple list of 22 people is giving me a very *readable* way to follow the news...
- Jeremy Toeman
I wonder how much of it has to do with the fact that there's no one dedicated to minding the store anymore.
- Akiva
Apple is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD.
- Lakshman Prasad
Lakshman- I thought Nokia is the largest mobile device manufacturer in the WORLD, mobile being phones here. As for laptops, it would be one of the PC makers.
- Tim Jones
they are debating what it will price at.
- Thomas Hawk
Daring Fireball has a great explanation as to why Apple and Adobe are at odds over Flash, good read, if you're interested in why Flash is a problem for Apple: http://ff.im/-ePkYc
- .LAG liked that
fox business is showing some tape-delayed video live
- Allen Stern
Just a tablet PC like iPhone was just a mobile phone (Note: take a look at almost every smart phone since iPhone launch)
- Kurt Starnes
Pixel doubling? Are you serious? Runs apps at essentially 320x480? "Black box" 1:1 in the center of the screen? This is a joke.
- Steve and 4 other people
It is A4, an Audi, so yes, it can play HD video :).
- Simon Cahuk
Honestly? So far, I'm pretty disappointed.
- Joshua
conflicted. with a 10 hr battery i can see this replacing a kindle. but I'm pretty happy reading on my nexus. Do I want to go back to carrying a 10" screen?
- Ben Reierson
Rewriting apps for screen resolutions? Won't that result in "fragmentation" of the App Store market? I mean, that's what tech journos have been beating Android over the head with for the past 6 months or so
- LANjackal
from IM
"How many iPhone apps can be on the screen and running at the same time?" One. No apps running in the background.
- James
fox business guy bashing the ipad for no keyboard and light gig memory
- Allen Stern
i'd bet the people who can shell out for a kindle will run for an ipad
- Allen Stern
@LANjackal it will be all packed in a fat executable, both low and hi res
- ↂGiorgiँ Zarrelliↂ
Can the iPad dial your iPhone from it's adress book?
- Jon Winters
I honestly was hoping for a tweaked Touch Ready OS X. Not what feels like a port of the iPhone.
- Joshua
Eh...so far I'm not impressed and don't see anything revolutionary. Sure this device is pretty but I'm already thinking if it's priced any higher than $500 I'm declaring it only a device for early adopters and Fanboys.
- Mark Krynsky
It would be cool if you could run apps side by side. Twitter app and a news app etc. Take advantage of the big screen and not need to resize native iPhone apps.
- David Damore
Have they mentioned it's internet connection? Wi-Fi or something else?
- Jon Winters
apple stock up 2,170% since 2003 - holy crap.
- Allen Stern
Leo's feed is finally showing video from event.
- Robert Scoble
david - scoble will have 3 ipads taped together for mobile usage to mirror his home setup :-P
- Allen Stern
im guessing sxsw will be renamed - iPadsw
- Allen Stern
Robert - no, it's going after DS Lite and PSP
- Andrew Terry
Apple is 30 minutes into their iPad presentation. The stock is down 2.5%, so Apple has lost $4 BILLION in market cap over the last 30 min. From @hotzington
- Mark
"Going after the Xbox" Yeah when either device has half the capabilities of the other, let me know. Don't be ridiculous
- LANjackal
from IM
Maybe we should buy the stock, wait for it to go back up, sell, then buy an iPad?
- Robert Scoble
I was happy reading on my Touch a year ago. The Kindle app is really sweet.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
to me the kindle is a "rich" device meaning the avg american isn't buying it - same with the ipad so it works perfectly - those with kindle money will run to the ipad
- Allen Stern
wow so apple is now going to fight amazon - i hope amazon kicks apples ass :)
- Allen Stern
Yea right Mark...cold day in hell when Apple would do that.
- Mark Krynsky
@Allen Stern +3 Re: "scoble will have 3 ipads taped together"
- David Damore
the price for the new 10" ipod touch ?
- tony bland
iPad is a new platform -- I bet it's where Apple wants to take personal computing
- Kurt Starnes
you're going to give a presentation with your audience huddled around a 9" handheld device..? Really?
- Andrew Terry
will ipad apps work on the ipod touch/ iphone ?
- tony bland
Andrew: and that is going after the Xbox too. Just watch how Microsoft reacts to this. Microsoft wanted to do an Xbox portable.
- Robert Scoble
My sons already have been using Xbox less since iPhones came out. iPads will steal even more time from Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
There are no buttons on it! you can't do serious gaming without buttons.
- Mark
Andrew - do you give presentations around a laptop screen?
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt: into a brave new world in which every app will need their approval? Sounds like a nightmare for "personal computing" IMO. I hope you're wrong
- LANjackal
from IM
wait, you can rotate and resize photos with touch?! Amazing!
- Ben Reierson
LAN - I mean the way people use computers. The mouse/hard-keyboard UI is old fashioned, IMO
- Kurt Starnes
+++Krynsky "No Flash = TOTAL FAIL! It will be a long time for HTML 5 to take over. " -- The size of the tablet makes it a natural for web browsing - except for lack of flash support. It was disappointing in the iPhone but quite ridiculous in the iPad. I don't "love" flash but it's a fact of life on the web.
- Richard Walker
all my 12 yr old son plays these days is Modern Warfare 2
- Tim Jones
I'm with you on your commentary Allen...btw you going to SXSW? Good time having lunch with you last year.
- Mark Krynsky
Robert, that's just incidental, in the same way you'll probably watch less TV if you buy an ATV and decide to go riding around in it often. Doesn't mean the ATV and TV manufacturers are in competition. Sheesh
- LANjackal
from IM
Kurt - no; not around a laptop, but I do swing it around so the screen is facing my audience..
- Andrew Terry
A computer with a 1GHZ cpu. It's a bit 2001.
- Mark
LAN - And, I am hopeful that iPad is not locked down the way iPhone is!
- Kurt Starnes
I bet the HP Slate has flash *gunshots*
- LANjackal
from IM
iWork on the iPad....YAWN...what else?
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - I think we'll have to use one to make a reasonable judgment on the chip
- Kurt Starnes
Just saw the pics of the iPad over on Engadget. Sweet Jebus, that thing is ugly. It's got like 2 inches of border around the thing. From the pics, I'm betting it's locked down too, with apps from a new App Store. Epic Fail.
- Otto
Jobs hates flash, there was no way he would put it on this device
- Kim Landwehr
Thinking... The iPad attaches to your MacBook as a second display with seamless integration Photographers can edit photos directly with their fingers.
- Jon Winters
Kurt: It uses the iPhone OS, which means it'll probably also use the App Store. Which means it'll be just as locked down.
- LANjackal
from IM
Jon - that would be a) very cool and b) make total sense
- Andrew Terry
Biggest deal so far - unless it is still to come - no camera so no ichat
- Keith Teare
Unless it's being sold through carriers (and hence subsidized) this thing's gonna be expensive. Def not an impulse by for most people
- LANjackal
from IM
I still do not understand why they can't make these things (both iPhone and this new thing) "sync" via WiFi. Why must I connect the thing to my computer? They're on the same network FFS! Making me use a USB cable is just frickin' stupid.
- Otto
Great deal on dataplan - I'll carry one around, may replace my laptop eventually
- Kurt Starnes
Data plans seem somewhat reasonable when you consider WiFi in most cases. Still in bed with AT&T though.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Now I'm hearing $9.99 for apps ... guess how much I paid for the apps on my DROID? $0. The only apps I pay for now are Evernote and Office on my PC. Period.
- LANjackal
from IM
Otto: probably because it might make DRM harder to implement. It's a lot easier to verify hardware that's physically connected to the machine, than to verify a client that you can't touch
- LANjackal
from IM
You guys might wanna ask Sony how well a $499 price works for a non-PC mass market product.
- LANjackal
from IM
@LANjackal: The problem there is that that system backfires. I specifically do not buy media on the iTunes store because of the "must sync to the computer" problem. I don't connect my gear to my computer, ever. I haven't hooked my phone up since the first day I got the thing (and jailbroke it). I very likely never will hook it up again, because there's no point. Also, if they need verification, then a simple 2-key cryptographic system could be made to work easily enough.
- Otto
Are there iPhone apps for DSLR tethering?
- Jon Winters
Biggie Sized iPhone without the Phone ??????
- Owen Greaves
Optional solar-powered case? Wait for it... ;-)
- Ian McGee
Owen, with 3G model I am guessing one could connect with a Bluetooth earpiece
- Kurt Starnes
Wrong for that purpose, I meant
- LANjackal
from IM
+1 Otto - I use my iPhone daily and I haven't synced it in months. It's jailbroken. I also can't stand the regular iTunes updates I keep getting - they update the program more often than I start it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm pretty sure people are looking for a webcam LAN, not a DSLR
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No multi-tasking? Are they serious? Holy hell, that's inane.
- Otto
my $300 netbook w/ Kindle for PC works for me
- Tim Jones
Please, just improve the iPhone and iTouch. The first time you drop the iPad will be the last. The mobile sites for the NYTimes are good enough for me. I don't need the Flash ads. If you're in public, you can't set it down, you can't put it in your pocket.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Yep, iPad = Giant iPhone (exactly as I wanted / predicted) - didn't get camera tho = iFail
- Susan Beebe
K I'm with you guys on the webcam idea.
- LANjackal
from IM
Bill -- I don't have a very good record with any dropped computer, except iPhone and other cell phones, surviving drops.
- Kurt Starnes
All things considered, I'm pretty underwhelmed... it's a big iPod, but not as portable.
- Andrew Terry
How long until I can run Android on it? :-P
- TranceMist
Can't wait to get a hold of one. Take care folks.
- Kurt Starnes
Should have shocked everyone with a name nobody expected: The iNewton
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No multitasking? Wow. How bad of a product release is this? A $500 - $830 device that's completely locked down and can't multitask or webcam? And as some people on Twitter are pointing out: iPad? Really? Were there any women in the original focus group?
- LANjackal
from IM
AT&T suckage depends on where you are. Here in Memphis, for example. AT&T is quite good. I get ridiculous speeds off the 3G and never have a dropped call. When I travel to Atlanta, the experience there is quite different.
- Otto
Kurt: I can only see this as a household device. If you prop this thing up with its case at a Starbucks table, looks like trouble. No video-conferencing, but prob in the next version.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
I bet iPad is the netbook killer, Tim Jones.
- Vezquex
"I don't see this leaving the house too often," says Leo. But he thinks it's the "ultimate airplane device."
- Bill Koslosky, MD
Scoble's Nexus One ustream streaming quality is better than his iPad streaming quality right now
- Tim Jones
any announcments about iPhone's moving to other carriers?
- Amani
from IM
Expect an iPad killer from Google within 6 months.
- Jim Posner
Household users, Airplane users, student users, personal entertainment users, ebook reades, basic laptop users....that's a pretty huge market.
- Leif Hansen
+1 Otto on the Memphis 3G. I get silky smooth service and I always have to remind myself about the problems in larger markets.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
What does this do for the Kindle, Nook and all the other e-ink readers? I'd say they're in trouble. Except for reading a textbook, I think a device just 2x larger than the iTouch would be more convenient.
- Bill Koslosky, MD
@Bill I'd agree mostly on the ebook readers. But there is something *really* nice on the eyes with e-ink that I'm hesitant to give up (and go back to zombie brain lit screens).
- Leif Hansen
Leo Laporte just said that it's an incredible device when you actually get your hands on it... beautiful, light, incrediblly responsive screen... I'll wait until I get to play with one before judging on what it lacks, and whether or not that's detrimental
- .LAG liked that
Apple stock went from being down to now being up $3.12. As soon as the price came out the stock turned and went up.
- Thomas Hawk
iPad does not support T-Mobile's 1700 GHz 3G frequencies
- TranceMist
Ummmm ok ... I can think of many incredible, beautiful devices that I have no use for. This is another one of them. The iPhone, yes. The iPad? No. Not at that price point, at least
- LANjackal
from IM
Thomas ...isn't a lot of the stock movement in the last couple of hours really just speculators betting on what was going to officially get announced today?
- .LAG liked that
No shit it doesn't. T-Mobile's gone all in with Android
- LANjackal
from IM
I didn't hear when Apple would allow people to order the iPad. Did anyone else?
- Jeff P. Henderson
the specs dont list GPS capabilities. Am I wrong ?
- Kashif Khan
Jeff: I think someone said 1 - 3 months earlier in the thread
- LANjackal
from IM
@.LAG liked that, I think the stock move has to do with the price. The market liked the $499 price more than the speculated higher $1,000 price. It was down until the price was announced then it turned up.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas... makes sense. $499 is a price that will probably move lots of units
- .LAG liked that
No it won't. Ask Sony what happened with their $500 price point for the PS3. $500 is not an impulse buy. For that you have to be at $299 or below
- LANjackal
from IM
Giant iPod. Hopefully an OS refresh will unlock some goodness. Otherwise? This is a shiny paperweight.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
They've not updated the UK store yet with info about the ipad. A little let down about the lack of bluetooth connection to a dekstop/laptop mac for use as an input device. Also, not bothered about the 3G version as I'd rather buy a mifi and use that saving myself cash and letting more devices access the net on the go ;)
- alphaxion
It would be cool if I could get a mifi-type device with a $15/30 per month no-contract billing option. That would make all of these devices tempting.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
here in the UK 3 offer a mifi with a 1 month rolling contract, 5Gb per month limit with £40 up front for the mifi or a pay as you go mifi for £70 up front
- alphaxion
That sounds sweet alpha, I think here it's like $60/mo. with a long-term contract. Let me double-check that. Edit: Looks like the minimum mifi contract is $40/mo. for 250MB and it doesn't say how long the contract lasts. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
is there no way of buying the low end model and adding in an sdxc card to bump it up to 64GB? Having no camera is ridiculous and as usual you are locked into the apple ecosystem. Once again you either love the way they do things or you don't. It will be a popular device, but I'm always amazed at how many people are quite happy with Apple's walled garden. This is what killed them in the...
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- Phil Ashman
There is an SD card reader peripheral included.
- Vezquex
hmm... it also doesn't look like it supports multiple user profiles and it's *still* tethered to a single machine with itunes.
- alphaxion
Orange. The tablet still doesn't work well as the video livestream interface between my DVCam and whatever RMTP server I need to transmit to. Seriously whatever, as far as I'm concerned.
- Rich Reader
The false sense of security that a million cats have successfully been wrangled?
- no name
For twitter, I know lots of people created lists with Tweetdeck. Now that Twitter has it's own lists, that's not as important. But Tweetdeck lets you do more with your lists, I think.
- Laura Norvig
Plus, Tweetdeck has nice looking column layout so you can see your lists, replies, full stream all at once.
- Laura Norvig
Grouping a subset of users is the major benefit.
- Louis Gray
I use Seesmic (although recently it hasn't been working, so I temporarily switched to Mixero) and for me the biggest benefit is to be able to manage 2 separate Twitter accounts in a practical way. Overall, I just find that these clients are more practical in terms of filtering people and content.
- Patricia Müller
Bill... heh! Laura, I'm almost afraid to ask what more is needed ;). But nicer views, okay, that I can understand. Louis, isn't that grouping now unnecessary, given Twitter's Lists? Patricia, I can't even seem to manage one twitter account :P. But you raise a good point re: filtering content -- I guess that's re: saved searches, right? But can't you also do that via Twitter? I guess it comes down to the able-to-see-more-at-once, right?
- Adam Lasnik
Exactly. My primary reason for using a client was the double account issue (and yes, it's a little overwhelming, but I need to keep connections in both languages). So that reason alone justified using a client for me. Now, filtering content came as a secondary benefit as I started having to sort through everything a lot of Twitter users usually do, but in 2 different languages. (both...
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- Patricia Müller
Ah, okay, that makes sense Patricia. Thanks for the info!
- Adam Lasnik
Tweetdeck has retweet and direct message buttons, Twitter doesn't. (Although it has buggy pull-down menus for DMs)
- Spidra Webster
I lean towards Tweetie2 and SimplyTweet (iPhone apps)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
hmm... just tried both Tweetdeck and Seesmic. Neither of them utilize the Friend Groups built into FB; TD invites users to completely recreate new TD-only FB Friend Groups. No thanks. :(
- Adam Lasnik
Columns are key, even if you mostly handle just one account. You can see the tweets mentioning you or replying to you without switching back and forth.
- Paola Bonomo
I can absolutely see how that stuff is useful for at-a-glancing, but I also feel it's a massive distraction and major info-overload. I am a curmudgeon for the most part when it comes to real-timing. There's very little in life that I need to know Right Now, very little that can't wait for a nightly (or even weekly) browse-through.
- Adam Lasnik
I think it's more important for people who manage a social media presence for a brand. They need to know right away if someone mentions them or @replies them.
- Laura Norvig
I use Twhirl and it's only because of multiple accounts and easy of posting to Twitter and identi.ca. The Twitter website has always been crap for me. In Twhirlw with just one click, I can retweet, reply, DM, lookup a user, see all tweets from a user, etc. Bonus is that it's fast. The Twitter website is slow and unfunctional.
- Anika
Seesmic & TweetDeck were both built as Twitter apps. FB is an add-on and not nearly as developed. I use Seesmic to manage multiple accounts (about me, work, & interest-specific), user lists, and to handle saved searches.
- Cianna Stewart
you just answered your own question...it lets you not have to visit both sites separately
- brainno722 (Peter)
oh yeah, everyone else has "retweet" except twitter.com (well, they gave it to selected users)...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Peter makes a point. My browser (Flock) has FB and Twitter built-in. I can post, reply, DM and retweet, right from my broswer without going to the Twitter website (YAY). Only problem is that there are sometimes day long delays of seeing updated tweets from others. The FB sucks. I can see what my friends post, but to reply I'm forced to FB. BUT...if I want to share blog posts, Flicker, tweets or chat with FB, I can do all of that without visiting the FB website.
- Anika
Infodensity. I can look at my screen with Seesmic running on it and get a lot more information than just running twitter.com.
- Robert Scoble
I think it depends on how you want to use Twitter. As a tool then you would use Tweetdeck etc and if just for casual following .com does the job
- Khuram Hussain
Hey everyone, I appreciate the clue'ing in. Now the benefits are much more clear to me. Once again, the FF community shines through :-)
- Adam Lasnik
you can use columns in tweetdeck to setup searchs based on keywords, that is not possible in twitter currently, you would have to manually search each keyword separately if using twitter, also you can log in to your twitter and facebook accounts and see all updates from one interface, also, haven't tried it in tweetdeck but with seismic desktop you can log into multiple accounts at the...
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- Loc
this is cool! one more question...do you have to find android specific app to install to use or does it work with win os (or linux) apps? like firefox or pdf viewer or openoffice...
- brainno722 (Peter)
I'm not really understanding that question ... since it shows up as an external drive, it functions as one and is accessible from any program on your PC just like any other drive ...
- LANjackal
Because dragging and dropping files back and forth like we used to in 2001, instead of using modern dynamic media databases and smart playlists, is so awesome.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
@David: Because NOT being limited to any particular syncing app is so awesome. I MUCH prefer devices that mount as simple storage to those that are tied to a particular syncing client. The former is simply a LOT more flexible because you're not tied to any particular transfer method. You can always use a 3rd party syncing app with a common storage device, but if the device requires its own syncing app then you're locked into that
- LANjackal
Damn, I wish dealing with my WinMo devices was as simple.
- Chris Charabaruk
@David: I have yet to come across a default OEM syncing app that I like. I'm glad none ships with the Droid. Also, the Droid automatically finds any music you drop into it regardless of where you drop it, so ... *shrugs*
- LANjackal
@Chris: As much as I'd like to say wait for WinMo 7, MS' track record leads me to believe they'll make the same sync client mistake with that too
- LANjackal
You kidding? Hell, the way they seem to be drooling at the iPhone market, Microsoft probably wants to lock things down even more than they already are.
- Chris Charabaruk
Well TBH it *might* not be that bad. I've noticed that many devices that ship with WMP sync capability (no download/installation necessary) can also be mounted as simple storage in Windows (see Archos devices as an example).
- LANjackal
That's what's happening for v7, actually ...
- LANjackal
from IM
Not really, Win7 is still based on CE, but the WinMo components are getting a total do-over.
- Chris Charabaruk
Not quite. That's like saying Windows 7 is the same as Windows NT just because the former descended from the latter.
- LANjackal
Actually, it's more like saying that Ubuntu 9.10 is the same as Slackware v1. Same basic kernel at the bottom, but newer versions, and much different at higher levels.
- Chris Charabaruk
My Motorola RAZR did this years ago.
- Johnny
from iPhone
I didn't say it was a new feature, haha
- LANjackal
from IM
i wonder if it works with doubleTwist yet?
- Chris Heath
Many Happy returns, Kol. 33? Oh yes, It was back there somewhere. Not a memorable one, but left to my own devices I don't bother about my birthday.
- Ian May
Happiest of Birthdays..................33 years old ...........boy both my kids are older thinking as I type this I am getting older by the minute.......................
- VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
tempted...but tied to iPhone contract...Android 2.0 is def looking better
- brainno722 (Peter)
I really think I'll be getting one, but I think it's smart to wait for independent reviews. It's gotta at least be better than the Storm 2 for me to bite
- LANjackal
is it really true according to BillShrink.com...that there are over 10k apps in Android market?
- brainno722 (Peter)
I'm seriously considering picking up a non-phone Android 2.0 device when they come out. The android platform is evolving rapidly and I'm excited to follow along.
- Sparky, lurking
brainno: 20k+ is more like it, actually
- LANjackal
from IM
One of the reasons we switched from VZW to TMO was that we could get the same functionality on our Treos for about 1/3 the price (VZW's data plan was $45/mo.). Android 2.0 looks great, but not great enough to go back.
- John Craft
I'd love to grab a Droid, but I'll likely wait a bit (just got a new phone).
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Peter, I haven't counted ;) , but I've seen that number many places.
- John Craft
I'm not sure that the number of apps is a good indicator, anyway, given that games and wallpapers get counted as apps. I use the Weather channel app, an FTP client, several Google Maps add-ons, Twidroid, a file manager, a stopwatch, subway maps, OpenTable, and of course the Flashlight.
- John Craft
John: I won't lie, VZ's expensive. The only reason I can afford their unlimited service is via a corporate discount. The good thing about them is the predictable bill, unlike some carriers (I'm looking at you, AT&T) and amazing coverage. You'd have to be on the moon to not get a VZ signal
- LANjackal
from IM
price is a big factor for me...but i don't like iPhone's closed OS...i hope Android is more open...and yeah...VZ is also expensive...T-Mob is going to gain popularity from pricing...too bad they don't have good reception in my area...
- brainno722 (Peter)
VZ's MO is QoS >>>> everything else. Including, unfortunately, features and handsets. Until next week :). But then again before the iPhone AT&T's handset offerings were nothing special either
- LANjackal
from IM
yeah I was using Sprint cuz of their sleak Samsung phone...then iPhone came out and I drooled...still waiting for a driving factor to switch out of iPhone though...
- brainno722 (Peter)
"You'd have to be on the moon to not get a VZ signal" - I'll give you that. TMO was pretty deficient in even providing a signal in a lot of rural areas. I was pleasantly surprised in September to be out in rural Michigan and get full 3G in places where before my G1 was a paperweight.
- John Craft
I really like the HTC Hero, but not the DROID so much
- Shevonne
If the UI is smooth, I'll get it. If not, I may wait for the other Verizon Android phone from HTC.
- Tony C
It looks really good, but I'll wait and see how much people like it.
- SmallCapVoice
i don't get touch-phones with a keyboard...i know ppl are still getting used to it, but wouldn't 20+ million iphone users show that it's not that hard to learn? touch+keyboard just makes the phone bulky...
- brainno722 (Peter)
One of the nice things about a physical keyboard is that you don't use up screen real estate displaying one :)
- LANjackal
from IM
touche; still, i wish there's a way to be best of both worlds: sleak and sexy
- brainno722 (Peter)
getting it as my work phone as soon as i am upgrade eligible again
- Isaac Zahavi
Congrats LAN, look forward to reading the joys of using it.
- travispuk
Thanks, it's a fantastic device thus far. Love the push Gmail and automatic mail syncing :)
- LANjackal
how is the video and picture taking options? Also, surfing the net and battery life?
- Amani
from IM
I'm at work now and I'm about to enter a webinar and get some other stuff done. I'll find out more about all of the above as I play with it over the weekend
- LANjackal
My love, my dove, my angel, my reason for living... My bringer of ice cold coke. My maker of the best darn chow mien cabbagey thing. My stone cold fox. The maker of things better after a hard day with your quirky smile. The eyes I get lost in. The lips I love to kiss. The ears with no ear lobes (I'm sorry, it's freaky babe) The core of our family. The spark in our passion. The mother of a princess. The grace of a queen... My reason to smile... Happy Birthday
- Johnny
Guess how many people on FriendFeed I "invited" to be on my feed that I already knew? Maybe two. That's it. Everyone else I originally met because of Friend of a Friend or because they commented on my posts or those of other people I met earlier. Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise." My life, both online and off, is better for it.
[Terms in quotes are to be understood according to Scoble's definitions, as I understand them, though I acknowledge I am to some extent taking "noise" from the fringe of his definition.]
- Jandy
"Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise."" <---- Best line I have seen all day. +googol, Jandy
- Josh Haley
I love noise too. I study it. It's just the reason why person after person told me they didn't like it. I'm just the messenger. Even Tim O'Reilly told me this is why he didn't like FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think I invited any real-life contacts. I've enjoyed the noise and found some interesting people because of it.
- John (bird whisperer)
Robert, that's not what you've said in various posts over the past few days and weeks - you've continually said that you can't find the content you want here anymore because it's too noisy. I think what you mean by that is that the content you aren't interested in drowns out the content you are (whereas before the noise was mostly tech, so therefore not noise to you). But still. You've...
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- Jandy
makes me wanna ask, "can't we all just get along?" (friendfeed, twitter, gReader...)
- brainno722 (Peter)
In my world, FF and Twitter are for following people, GReader is for following topics. I will quickly unsub a feed in GReader if it gets noisy because I'm looking for info, but I fully embrace the noise here, because making noise is part of being a person. I suspect that to Robert, people and topics are interchangeable... it would explain a lot about his perspective.
- Roger Benningfield
I only know 2 people here IRL. The rest are FF only contacts.
- Alex Scrivener
I think that's a good point, Roger - I wouldn't necessarily say that about Robert without caveat, but in terms of the way he uses social media seems to be much more for business/learning/information/data then for personal reasons. For me, I generally subscribe to people on FF after deciding I like what they post (i.e., I like their content), but it's not long before I like their content...
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- Jandy
Alex, of people who actually post here (rather than those who joined at my behest and now just dump feeds), I knew one before IRL. But now I know at least ten or fifteen people IRL that I met on FriendFeed. And I don't consider them just contacts, I consider them friends.
- Jandy
OH HAI DERRICK! See, there's one right there. :)
- Jandy
Jandy is Dandy. I wouldn't have known that if not for the noise of FF. God Bless FriendFeed! (or Cosmic Force of the Universe be kind to FF - for any atheists out there )
- Morgan
derrick - how does that dance go? i ain't got moves, so i might need some schooling!
- Morgan
I don't know, Morgan. I just made it up. And only because I know Jandy sees a lot of shows. I can't imagine she doesn't do a little boogieing in there from time to time. Jandy, WHAT SAY YOU?
- Derrick
I've met 1 FF person IRL (guess who!?)
- Tinfoil 2.0
i'll just do the 'cabbage patch' as a default, if that's ok with all of you
- Morgan
and I need to warn the masses that I am a white boy, so my idea of what the cabbage patch is might not be up to muster..
- Morgan
Derrick, that all depends on how drunk I am. ;) LE, really?! I feel all special now. :)
- Jandy
yes, calling it "friendfeed" is misleading but i guess finding the perfect name would not be easy either
- Loc
Why doesn't Twitter.com or other client services have a "go to top" function either by double click on the top bar (iPhone-like interface) or a floating link...
Seems pretty positive to me, Jenna. What'd they miss?
- Louis Gray
No mention of Chris whatsoever. It makes me sad.
- Jenna Bilotta
Jenna you should comment on the post - most bloggers do listen if you're respectful
- Jesse Stay
eh. attribution complaints feel petty, but i get kinda worked up about it since he worked many nights and weekends to make it happen...
- Jenna Bilotta
Brizzly is totally awesome, however. :) though this article puts my absolute favorite feature as a footnote at the end. Crowd-sourced trend explanations alone are enough to make anyone use this thing. :)
- Jenna Bilotta
i've been using brizzly, but i find it buggy sometimes...i.e. i have multiple accounts but the home screen is always on my latest-added accnt, not my preferred one...
- brainno722 (Peter)
but i like that the only parts moving is the middle/tweets...makes it easy to browse through various sections (home/DM/reply/groups)...hope Lists support come soon?
- brainno722 (Peter)
tricky heading...was thinking "how could this be?" cuz of IPv6...they should push the upgrade soon...hopefully...(still, nice writing)
- brainno722 (Peter)
I've used Weave before, but it could not do a simple job as editing bookmarks as Xmarks provides, so I'm going to observe its development for now.
- brainno722 (Peter)
in a way, iphone set the standard for the next gen smartphones (capacitive/multi-touch, apps, sync,etc), which made the other competitors want to match and/or outdo; however, they've not managed to bring anything new to the table, and therefore iphone will always be there due to its innovation and originality (but i'm sure apple is feeling the pressure of others catching on and is def...
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- brainno722 (Peter)
I have to say that this was the best written article about the cult (or religion) of the iPhone vs the deity stances of other mobile OSes. Not only did they stick to one device but so far they've even stayed with just on carrier. But although having one device is a huge strength to a developer but is it really a strength to the consumer? Consumer like choice of form factors, even Apple...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I must add that I plan to move from Windows Mobile over to "the Droid" so MG may be right in that regard as well. I think it will take market share away from WinMob quicker mostly because the UI transition seems more natural plus both are already on Verizon. But this transition should translate to a greater app catalog which will also position itself for those "app for that" type of people.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
The real problem is the zero-sum thinking inherent in the "X killer" headline bullshit. Mobile Web is a huge new growth area.
- Kevin Marks
That's a rather crappy solution. What if my mom puts me on a list that's "people who are just precious" and I decide that's embarrassing professionally? Now I have to call her to coax her into delisting me when she gets time. Or I can block my mom. Both solutions are kinda lame. Oh well, hopefully Twitter will add more nuanced solutions to this problem soon.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
i thought twitter lists were like rooms here on friendfeed, but i guess it's more of a myfollowfriday type (hype?)...maybe they can tick lists as private by default, then users can make it public later...for now...i'm using lists as rooms like friendfeed
- brainno722 (Peter)
Daniel: That does seem kinda crappy, doesn't it. However, the block/unblock has worked for me in this manner before. If somebody is following you, and you don't want them to, you can block then unblock them, and then they're no longer following you. Of course, you're not following them anymore, so you can then refollow them. I expect that lists might work the same way. When you block...
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- Otto
i think that label is misleading...Dabr is only for mobile (winmo and android)..i think...i've just found tweenky tho so i was using that
- brainno722 (Peter)
about time...it's a waste of money (mine) and resources to have so many input/charger plugs...wonder what kind of universal plug they'll make? perhaps micro-usb?
- brainno722 (Peter)
from Bookmarklet
easy ones i can think of: favs (can't use the keyword favorites), real life friends, family, etc...tho some might want to make private for obvious reasons.
- brainno722 (Peter)
would love one if they are still available - followed you on twitter in case that was still the only way to get them out (@marconunezjr)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
i'd like one! dylanpine gmail. thanks!
- Dylan Pine
Robert, have you tried using feedly.com and indeed my6sense on the iPhone to interface with Greader
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
That is the reason I am using Google Reader, so you don't have and can get to the links via another medium :).
- rick
Robert just doesn't get it when it comes to GReader. Between the new features they have been adding (Social, Sort by Magic, etc) and some great Add-ons (Better GReader, Prefetch More, Filter, Absolutely Customizable), it gives you a very full experience.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: yes, and to get all these cool new features I have to wait 53 seconds for my browser to load! Ridiculous!
- Robert Scoble
I'll also add that it gives me a much better chance to see all important news without leaving that single Tab (with the Better GReader extension). No other tool has allowed me to do that: stay fully engaged in the environment while getting the whole story. Plus, my Browser is always open, no waiting to load....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
point 1 - just use a fast browser on chrome is not slow (at least on my 2006 laptop) point 2 - agree point 3 - agree even if I have removed every number indicator there is still the one above the news that is impossible to remove (without greasemonkey obviously) point 4 - agree point 5 - thank you capitan obvious RSS are a polling technology there is no way to push news webservers...
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- Marco
Just thinking out loud. We all are talking about the "Real Time Web". RSS is the only real way to very everything in real time when it comes to news (when PubHubSub enabled). Yes, I and others send articles of interest to places like Twitter,FF,FB,xyz but (unless you are the actual source of the news) all of those tools pass the news because of either RSS or being directly on a news...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Hm, GR loads under 3 seconds in chrome. And I have about 500 feeds and a crappy wireless system. But I just use it as a content reader and not a social network megahub. It's interesting those other features add so much weight. Do your lists have RSS feeds? I didn't see any. The lack of content and conversation is also a bit disappointing. The cognitive design aspect of the article counts is also interesting. I guess it goes to how the system is used.
- Todd Hoff
Todd: yeah, it's clear I just have to delete my Google Reader and start over with a new account or something and not add anyone. Really lame if you ask me. No other social network is as screwed up. Anyway, RSS feeds? I am not sure. Lack of content? Are you following http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... (since Facebook bought FriendFeed I've put more than 7,000 items there). Conversation? That's what we have FriendFeed for. I'm actually HAPPY that there isn't any conversation!
- Robert Scoble
The RSS feed point is that Twitter becomes an information sink instead of a source of information that can be passed along the information chain through RSS. Lack of content in the sense that Twitter supports the structure of some combination of Sentiment, Factioid, plus Link, the content is what is being pointed to, though of course an event notification is a type of content also. Good point on the conversation, though I'm not sure Twitter will appreciate the lack of engagement :-)
- Todd Hoff
Todd: Twitter has lots of engagement. It's just not in a chat room. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I use Friendfeed and other web twitter (Brizzly, Echofon,etc), but I love that Feedly makes Reader such a nice magazine-like interface to read.
- brainno722 (Peter)
Interesting that I use GReader to see everything that Robert puts in his http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... feed. If I relied on Twitter, I would end up missing a lot. The one thing that GReader really lacks is a better way to save Favorite articles in a way that is easy to sort. It's just one huge single thread list. That said, Twitter has the same issue for favs.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I use Google Reader more or less constantly. Of course, I don't do anything crazy like subscribe to thousands of feeds either. I still don't understand why anybody would subscribe to a feed if they don't intend to read it. They'd be better off with Smart Bookmarks in Firefox for such a thing. Also not quite seeing how Twitter lists are any sort of replacement, but again, I don't follow...
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- Otto
Twitter can't be a content reader, because links are not content. The whole point of me using Google Reader is so I don't have to visit dozens of sites every time I want to see what's going on. Twitter simply doesn't solve the same problem GReader does, for me. For the record, I rarely, if ever, follow links on Twitter, and I simply don't follow people who do nothing but post links elsewhere. I'm on Twitter to have two-way communication, not to be marketed to.
- Otto
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- brainno722 (Peter)
from Bookmarklet
WOW...talk about business ethics...bury negatives so others can't find it?
- brainno722 (Peter)
I have the same sickness as well - a friend of mine launches their band on thursday - I'll be there. I'll take hundreds of pictures if not thousands.
- Comics Forge
what camera do you use? i'm interested in better photography but can never justify even entry level DSLRs...just saw a review on Canon G11 and it's quite nice
- brainno722 (Peter)
I love my iPhone, but Android 2.0 is looking really good: http://www.youtube.com/watch... I would love to be able to sync my contact info from phone-to-net and vice versa, which iPhone still can't do (not for free...does MobileMe work well?)