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I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?

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I agree with this fully. - Akiva Moskovitz

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I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku - Ken Sheppardson

Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them? - Mark

I support this fully - Ryan

yes what about a free GAE - abdellah

Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"... - Andrew Terry

Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see. - binmugahid

yes - andy brudtkuhl

I agree with Andrew... - Suril Amin

I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source - Jake Anderson

Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape. - Leo Laporte

Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that. - Mark

Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think. - Leo Laporte

great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people - Chris Heath

There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge. - binmugahid

I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine - hasanahmad

They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone. - Leo Laporte

On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff. - Chanux

Wow did this just happen today? - bravestface

yesterday - Chris Heath

Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo. - Jared Smith

Excellent idea Leo. - Adi

I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see - bravestface

Yes. - .LAG liked that

You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them. - Joel Bennett

I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo. - jcunwired

bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh. - Gus

when will twitter be back up any 1 know - daveccorey

There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called - Doug Holton

True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want - bravestface

I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer. - Leo Laporte

hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!! - Đoи яамoη

Or Pushbutton? - bravestface

This would be amazing. - Adam Teece

The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement. - Ken Sheppardson

Too many systems in place - bravestface

They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF. - Kurt

In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach - bravestface

Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening. - Kelly Mitchell

Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook. - Jeff Vreeland

I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps - Doug Holton

Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook). - Gideon Guillen

I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works. - mikemcmullan

An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space. - Derek Gathright

Completly agree! - Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis from Nambu

Open source is the way to so that "The poeple" can do what they want or to a program. E.I. www.Openssourcemaps.com - D Lets from iPhone

Absolutely. - Ian Littman

OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still). - Patrick Sullivan

OS FF - Malcolm Bastien

I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point - Jim Posner

I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO. - Chris Cathcart

correction: Http://www.openstreetmap.org - D Lets from iPhone

I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced. - patrick

wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started - Joe Geeting

I would. It is hard using Friendfeed now not knowing its fate. - Hunt from BuddyFeed

I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting. - Michael Bower

In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files... - Ken Bauer

definently - Ryan Peach

Right-o - Myrddin Emrys

I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over. - rob friedman

You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do. - Vlad Bobleanta

Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems. - Myrddin Emrys

very good proposition, i'd pay - Brian Appleby

Leo, like this idea. - Kol Tregaskes

adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers - Mike Chelen

It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though... - Dobromir Hadzhiev

It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen - Thomas Lee

I support this as well. - Carlos Ayala

Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch... - Johnny Worthington

Another reason why Leo kicks ass - Mo Kargas

If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition... - Randy Shapiro

FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e... - Marcos Marado from fftogo

absolutley ;) - Kenneth Reitz

i would pay - cheapsuits

ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont - daveccorey

no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons. - xiawinter

http://kennethreitz.com/blog... - Kenneth Reitz

Robert Scoble

Nine ways Twitter could make money:

January 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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1. Look for affiliate revenues - Robert Scoble

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2. Exploit the spaces between content - Robert Scoble

3. Adopt a freemium model - Robert Scoble

4. Add Virtual Goods - Robert Scoble

5. Get recurring revenue, er, find a way to charge for subscriptions. - Robert Scoble

6. If you’re going to do advertising, get into creating ads that are viral and interactive. - Robert Scoble

7. Create “frequent tweeting” programs - Robert Scoble

8. Look for support, or tips, from your users. - Robert Scoble

9. Get outside your website. Try to sell schwag. Do events. Etc. - Robert Scoble

Pro features at some point would be nice. An enterprise version could work as well. - Mike Fruchter

Inserting geo-targetted ads on Tweets. - Mike Fruchter

Got any others? - Robert Scoble

what about truncated, collapsable/expandable threading? - David Lloyd

And maybe "Nine ways Friendfeed could make money" hehe - David Lloyd

Twitter should license their technology to companies for intranets. - Michael Gaines

TweetSense. Ad Tweets served BY Twitter, who has the best idea of your Tweet volume and subject matter. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/tweetse... Lowest hanging fruit, contextual ads on the Twitter Search page. - AJ Kohn

What about platform support via dev tools? Encourage the ecosystem and make money at the same time? (Apologies, Robert, I replied on Twitter first.) - Tim Beyers

premium blogger services. Cool site integration tools with metrics. - Chris Baskind

10. add premium support for app developers. - Darren Stuart

Considering they have had 100% uptime for a few months, you have to think stability is fine now and they have their engineers beavering away on new features. Of course digg has 80 engineers and hardly ever seems to launch anything :p - David Lloyd

Thanks for this article Robert - bcultral

11. sell inhouse or managed solutions to companies for their own uses internally and sell federation CAL's so they can connect the internal solution to the wider twitter network so that specific users can tweet to the public. - alphaxion

Sell the entire background page to brands by the hour/day with some of the area being made available for discounts/offers. (You need something to benefit users too, not just Twitter.) ;-p - mtlb

I'm a little scared of the day all these FREE Social Networking sites CLOSE THE DOOR ON FREE, with all my data inside. - PaulFrankRizzo

good point..what is the answer Robert? - bcultral

Paul: I don't think free is going away. But I sure would pay for decent DM features, for instance. Lots of companies would pay for custom skinning features. - Robert Scoble

By following a brand's advertising account you consent to receiving ads from them. Add some profiling info to this and it could be a powerful tool to receive adverts on a users terms. - John Galpin

7.1> Post ad-tweets every half an hour from twitter account, which every twitter user will follow by default (have to follow by default). Make changes to API, so that people can't work around it and dodge this tweet. - | Balu |

freemium is definitely the way, one flavor or another. you don't want to kill the value of the network - quantity and quality - by driving away elements of it. plus for every paying site, there will always be a new free site up in less time it takes to say "bob's my uncle" - Pascal Bouvier

Create daily reports for similar types of tweets and licence that data to various companies, this will be user generated marketing report. - Shanthala Balagopal

Chris: in that case I hope they do all nine! Just kidding, but, seriously, these sites need to find a way to make some revenues or they'll go away. If you don't want them to find a revenue model you are NOT a good user of these systems. - Robert Scoble

ugh, can we please look at ways for twitter to make money without resorting to adverts? I'm pretty sure there's loads of ways, I've mentioned the one I have been bleeting on about for months now. How about you? Can you come up with ways to make money without going cap in hand to advertisers? - alphaxion

Phase 1: Twitter Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit! - Alastair Montgomery

alphaxion: most of these are not about advertising. - Robert Scoble

Every local government needs to be on twitter, on their own twitter - and so does every state and federal government, police and emergency service - operated privately and 'independently' from the main twitter stream. - Chris Loft

care to comment about Obama and his 8 million strong email database taken into the Govt side? I am a community organizer and feel that email list belongs to the people - bcultral

Create a premium 'breaking news' service from data mining existing content and sell it to the old media. - Andrew Leyden

apart from 6 ;) Tho I'm addressing the others who are commenting rather than your suggestions. Trying to tease a bit of creative thinking out of people. I think it is a very healthy activity to get people working on ideas for how to make money and excluding the advertisers at the same time. - alphaxion

Chris: friendfeed has the same business model choices ahead of them to make too. - Robert Scoble

Selling my email address is NOT a way to make money. People will lose faith and/or start using phony emails for signups. - Michael Gaines

Alphaxion: #6 is actually about Context Optional, a company that creates very creative, viral ads. If you're going to do ads, that's the way to do it. - Robert Scoble

squeeze the advertisers...users should not have to pay for service ..other then paying to put up with advertisers and regulating and demanding subtlety - bcultral

Chris: hah! Actually most of the dating services are going to free models so they'll need to use some of these 9 too. - Robert Scoble

Robin: problem is that advertisers are going away. TechCrunch is hearing that this year could see some sites have 50% fewer ad revenues than before. So, you'll see more sites use these nine business models on you. - Robert Scoble

point taken - bcultral

How many users on FF at this point? - bravestface

Have Twitter subscribers pick a few products to "endorse", and have ads with their Twitter names attached to them. Then, give those users a discount based on # of clicks. - Michael Gaines

Robert: not forgetting that comps can simply sing up with an account and tweet updates from there, which is where inhouse and federation can be handy. New version release? An auto tweet to the public can be done - alphaxion

Chris: adsense is shit. Pays low CPMs. HotorNot makes $10 by selling virtual flowers. I'd love to be able to put a flower on your comments. Or something else. :-) - Robert Scoble

Turn "following" into a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid! - Rick Tuttle

very interesting discussion, robert. thank you! after 2 months of running Magpie (http://be-a-magpie.com), I can resume that #2 from your list works really well for both tweeps (they earn) and advertisers. - Jan Schulz-Hofen

the sale of commercial API keys so that software such as starteam or sourceforge could tweet out info automatically based on trigger events to both private and public twitter networks. - alphaxion

:) - bcultral

Charge for Groups feature ala Yammer - Sajida H Khan

They should Plax-ify Twitter and create a premium service to share and update full contact details between followers. - matt howard

Rick: I thought following already was a multi-level marketing pyramid! You should have seen my son on Sunday when we were on Leo Laporte's show. He told his 2,000 live listeners that they had to follow my son. He got 100 new followers in a couple of minutes. - Robert Scoble

I think you forgot data mining (which links directly into advertising model, and buzz campaign monitoring). In a nutshell they should have a look at us ;-) (heck, we already do #2 and what I mentionned above!) - twitscoop

bravestface: there are about 250,000 registered users of friendfeed (it's a guess based on available data). - Robert Scoble

cant we think SMS as a strong income model? - Sinan Ata

If you're a company trying sell/advertise via Twitter...I would expect them to pay. That way it doesn't piss off your standard user. The key is charging less than other competing PR firms. - CannonGod

How about a search engine. Soon there will be so many people and companies on Twitter (and similar sites) that people will want to search for those like they do for web sites. It's already frustrating trying to find people now as the current search is very limited. Add to that a similar model to AdWords that could generate money. Would be interested to see what other people think of this idea! - Joanna Butler

A variant on #5 - develop tools for professional/advanced use of twitter and charge for that level of service. Search / stats / archival tools. - Patrick Pushor

Joanna: http://search.twitter.com has tons of places to monetize. I'd pay $5 a month to be listed on top or have a "pro" icon next to my name, for instance. - Robert Scoble

Chris: there are quite a few that I don't even track. Hi-5, for instance. - Robert Scoble

Emphasis on 'could' - AJ Kohn

Robert: I'm with you on that! Once companies are using Twitter, they'd easily see the benefits of a pro listing. I have several clients who'd at least be willing to experiment that. - Joanna Butler

The key is for Twitter to charge advertisers and not users. For example, they could make a mint by placing sidebar ads (a la FB) and justifying $ rates relative to the most popular people followed - such as you, @LeoLaporte, @guykawasaki, oh, and 'That One.' - Jim Mitchem

@jim they would make orders of magnitudes more by selling their software, support of the software and access to their software instead of limiting themselves so badly with conventional advertising. - alphaxion

If you tell Toyota or Coke that their constituency is online with Twitter and they're following specific people, or trending topics - you know they'd pay through the nose for those precious few seconds. It's push vs. pull. - Jim Mitchem

@chris - that's cool, just don't snort coke and drive Trish in a Toyota concurrently. - Jim Mitchem

@chris their software is a product they can sell, the userbase is a compelling feature of that product.. "pay for our commerical API to add twitter support to your product and add the ability of your customers to share their going-ons with the network and stoke demand and interest"... - alphaxion

Chris: exactly. Done right, who wouldn't pay? - Joanna Butler

What's the source of the current online culture of entitlement? Users don't want paid subscriptions nor to suffer ads. The same view that powers online piracy. Shouldn't creative professionals and those who fund them be compensated? If not, there will eventually be a big drop in production. Ps- few companies even use internal IM or digital BBS to share institutional knowledge, I don't see enterprise Twitted as being very lucrative. - Colin Hessel

I pay for reliability and accountability - a free service owes me nothing, they can lose my data overnight, be unavailable whenever, disappear. A service I pay for comes with an SLA, some guarantees, etc. Plus, if you don't pay for it, or donate to it, one day it will be gone and you might feel sorry. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I would pay for additional features = pro account (stability, groups, counter, threads etc in one interface)... but I am just an ordinary user... - Hanna Wiszniewska

ok, so maybe Toyota was a bad example http://tinyurl.com/99gkj7 - Jim Mitchem

enterprise version already exists look at http://www.yammer.com - Andrew Mueller

Great ideas Robert. Twitter execs will appreciate it but I still think no business model will exist until they are acquired. - Jeremy Campbell from twhirl

yes, i think acquisition was their business model - but the economic crisis did dash hopes of a gold-plated one so they are thinking about value added services now (through the buy-in of sandy it seems "concierge" style message parsing is one option they are looking at. If you can buy, book, plan, coordinate things semi automatically via twitter there is value in there) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

content partnerships, - imran

Following on from the discussion re FF UI - this discussion shows a BIG issue - I had to expand 95 comments to see Robert's original 9 (and was that the best way to publish the list?) and now I can't compress them! - Mark Warren

Mark: if you refresh the page they will be compressed again. - Robert Scoble

At the very least, show Google Ads on search - Varun Mahajan

I like the idea of selling aspects of the API as a SaaS. Also think they could very easily start charging consumers for Track and SMS. - Clay Newton

They would do well to add the ability to do very robust data mining. You can imagine providing a set of business intelligence dashboards to track and analyze customer sentiment as well as real time trend analysis. - Clay Newton

Virtual goods are a really solid idea as well. Look at what they are doing at Mahalo Answers. Mixes virtual $$ and real $. Twitter could easily implement a number of different levels here. They could also open up the API to provide even greater levels of functionality for app developers, essentially building a tiny-app framework. - Clay Newton

they should sell market info from mining their data, It's a great source of customer data - Tony Jones from twhirl

tony: you then get into the murkey problem of is it their data? By the same standard your ISP could sell their data on your usage. Is it ethical and would your customer base accept it? - alphaxion

I just posted the Social Networking Monetization Golden Goose idea yesterday at http://www.growmap.com/monetiz... - Internet Strategist

@alphaxion - Advertisers will always be in the mix and are inevitable, they should do just in a way that doesn’t interfere with individual tweets/updates. Unless Twitter has an endless supply of financing, they’ll have to go to outside sources, (like subscribers/advertisers). I don’t see Twitter though offering so much value as to make it worth paying for. Not enough features. (ESPN.com has its insider pay service and still runs a ton of ads on the site, so having one rev. stream doesn’t eliminate another.) - mtlb

Someone also mentioned a pay service for exclusive/breaking news on Twitter. First, I have Drudge for breaking news, but more importantly, part of the appeal of Twitter is that people like to feel they broke the news themselves. Why should Twitter or a select few decide what's breaking and what’s not and exclude the rest of the users from contributing to that? - mtlb

I would pay good money for the ability to punch people over the internet. - stretta

Make people pay to block other users! They'll get rich. - Rae21

I was reading this long list of comments and then the system did its hiccup/update thing and it all went away and I had to spend time looking for the damn thread again. Freaking annoying! - Rae21

@twitscoop Twitter data mining (strangely over looked) seems less like a business model then and more like a feature of the social network: transforming the data flow of one's social graph into usable information is why we stick around in the first place. Oh, I guess that does count as a business model. - Brad Kligerman

I've noticed a couple companies contacting me directly via Twitter when I have made noise about their products. Obviously, people say a lot of things on Twitter about products they use... I agree with Patrick Pushor; "develop tools for professional/advanced use of twitter and charge for that level of service". Twitter should send a rep. to companies to show them how to use Twitter to improve their own products and service, by using Twitter Search to find out what consumers are saying about their products. - Colleen

I wrote an article about twitter's fundamental problem yesterday. Essentially, all communication networks move toward being free. www.zachlandes.com - Zach Landes

VentureBeat's Macworld 2009 Keynote Live Coverage: MG Siegler

40% larger battery with 8 hours of charge

January 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

but yes, not removable - MG Siegler

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is the trade off worth it? if it's really 8 hours i think so - MG Siegler

It's 8 hours if you're only using web-based chat and nothing else ;) - Susan

8h for a 1920x1200 17" with nividia chips seems cool for web usage - TiTi

Pirillo's audio is out - Mario Camou

yeah... what happened to Pirillo's feed? - Vinko

Leo knocked over his lappy - bravestface

lol - Colin

Gah, lost Chris's audio... focusing here more now - Bwana ☠

new feed http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Colin

"Oh, we meant it TAKES 8 hours to CHARGE it." j/k - RAD Moose

Cali Lewis feed is dead also - Vinko

Here's another audio feed http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Nick Humphries

thx for the new feed - TiTi

Thanks for the new feed! - Mario Camou

Venture Beat's - Luke

new feed just went down!!!! - Colin

Uh oh... new feed seems to have lost audio - Dan York

MacTips audio feed just died on me too - Mario Camou

I believe UStream's battery died - Brian Roy

Still waiting for a Mac Mini update - Spencer

And Chris Pirillo's *website* seems to be down now - Dan York

Refresh the page on MacTips, it's working now - Nate True

http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Qbat

New feed audio is back - http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Dan York

yea i'd buy a new mac mini or updated apple tv today - andy brudtkuhl

Unibody, non-removable battery, Multi-touch : onto the Mac "Tablet"... - marc duchesne

VentureBeat's Macworld 2009 Keynote Live Coverage: MG Siegler

itunes 2nd thing: itunes plus

January 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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drm-free and 256 kbps - MG Siegler

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one-click upgrades - MG Siegler

All the majors are available today, - MG Siegler

yeah! also for the international stores ? - Antoine Bertier

Bout friggan time - bravestface

Nice move. - Spencer

VentureBeat's Macworld 2009 Keynote Live Coverage: Dean Takahashi

there's the 17 inch macbook pro. it's bigger than phil schiller himself.

January 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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$3500 - bravestface

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I'm glad they are finally embracing higher PPI numbers. Paying an extra grand for it was teh suck - Phil G

@Mark: exorbitant? - Rahul Das

I'd say a $100 discount from current equivalent - Shane Sveller

$2499 (guess) - Karim

I knew there was a reason I was holding off buying a new computer. - Robert Scoble

wow, 3 usb ports!? they're spoiling us! - Nate True

"Once the battery runs out, just buy a new laptop!" - Jemm

@Jemm After 2 years, you'll have the itch to buy a new laptop anyways. - Susan

I meant after the 8 hours... ;) - Jemm

VentureBeat's Macworld 2009 Keynote Live Coverage: Dean Takahashi

number 3 is 17 inch macbook pro.

January 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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ONe battery to rule them all..... - bravestface

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No... the last thing cannot be a 17" MBP - Vinko

meh... who cares - andy brudtkuhl

Looks like not only Jobs decided not to come, but Apple as well.. 3 lame products. - RAD Moose

so no iphone nano? Damn I was hoping against hope for that. - Rahul Das

Agree with @RAD - Vinko

@Rahul you can get them in Thailand - Vinko

@Vinko I know. I can also get them in Delhi if I want to but I was hoping for the real deal. - Rahul Das

more importantly, no demo of Snow Leopard... no mention of Snow Leopard? I was expecting a demo of the crazy OpenCL improvements they've been working on. - randy stewart

@RAD Moose I don't think the products they introduced are lame, but there should be something a little more compelling. We *expected* all these things and frankly, these are Apple meat and potatoes and will be nice for their bottom line. - randy stewart

Where's the Mac Mini?!? - Stephen Foskett

@Randy Stewart.. for all the media attn, they are a bit underwhelming. The are good additions, but not worthy of all this attention. I can see why Jobs skipped this one. - RAD Moose

@RAD Moose I may be coming around to your way of thinking. This does give them some room to release other compelling products more frequently, but I agree... lame Macworld. Glad I stayed home. - randy stewart

Yeah, I will just wait until I can get my paws on these at an Apple Store. I wish they would broadcast the announcements into the stores and then show off demos right after. Little 'apple world' micro-cons. - RAD Moose