and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day!
- Thomas Hawk
no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive.
- Eric P
thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage
- chrisofspades
I block just about every app invite I get. I'm glad some people like it, but I despise ANY application, social network, or whatever that the second step in adding the app is to SPAM all of my friends with it. This is a terrible process and needs to be done away with.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I didn't add them. They are invitations.
- Thomas Hawk
Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better.
- Karoli
Sean hit it perfectly. It's why I use Facebook as nothing more than an address book for people from my past. That has always made me sick, screen 2 is "Tell me who to spam!"
- Matthew DeVries
@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ...
- Rene Wirtz
@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests.
- Rene Wirtz
I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile.
- Ian May
For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though.
- Simon Wicks
Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine.
- Marc Canter
But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request.
- Adam
Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful.
- Adam
@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation
- andy brudtkuhl
that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane?
- .LAG liked that
Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar.
- Admiral Anika
Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook.
- TranceMist
I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB.
- Cecyl Hobbs
@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting.
- Keith McCammon
It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come.
- Tim Ostler
something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those.
- Alix Whitmire
@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once.
- Alix Whitmire
Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook.
- Susan A. Kitchens
Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone.
- Rob Fahrni
aw man, what happened to the flickr image?
- Kamilah Gill
yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love.
- Deanna Belle Govoni
This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends?
- Richard Lawler
Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter
- Terry O'Fee
Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P
- Terry O'Fee
Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to?
- Richard Lawler
immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations..
- Johannan Edelman
I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o)
- Seth Greenblatt
Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that...
- Rick Cogley
Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :)
- Walt Ruppar
Some of my friends are so annoying on FB that I have to permanently block all invites from them. Bloody Blood-sucking-vampire-stricken-greek-godish-monsters.
- Aman
@Chris: Indeed it is sad. I am in the process of forming a group called "People who hate people".
- Aman
WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh
- Danielle Closs
But FB is still better than the Google counterpart - Orkut. The sleaziest Social Website of all times. Their tag line : "Its so easy to get molested online, let us make it easier for you".
- Aman
Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless.
- Palak Mathur
if your notification board looks like this, you just seem to agree to all those useless "send xyz a flower/pet/other crap"-applications. ignore those and you'll have your personal internet-operating system based on your friends and your life
- natadd
from twhirl
Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family)
- April Russo (app103)
Thanks for the pic Thomas, you've reaffirmed my decision to ignore all the app requests I get from friends with too much time on their hands.
- pitlord
from twhirl
I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me.
- ChiliMac
That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well.
- Gary Gifford Jr
Believe me, even a good confrontation with those slimy friends does do any good. They keep sending invites even after that.
- Aman
I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial.
- Vincent Nguyen
This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works.
- Aaron Myers
It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly...
- Peter To
I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while?
- Adam Lasnik
Hm. They cite a survey on the effectiveness of PR fielded by a PR company. The results are such a surprise.
- Chris Kenton
from twhirl
... and having just looked more closely at what they do (http://tinyurl.com/6rc3bx) I'm not so sure I'm a fan of their 'DIY PR' approach. They themselves say PR is about people, but it looks to me like their model bypasses human beings?
- Brendan Cooper
from twhirl
Because they are laying off all of their marketing and PR staff.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
"There are not enough qualified PR individual consultants to help smaller companies with smaller budgets." There is a reason for that and the post gives it. PR takes time. Isn't this a market failure? Expensive consultants are not the answer to everything - why not think about having a PR person in house?
- sofiagk
So is it worth it to hire an agency for $10k? Despite the listed downsides...its seems the funding benefits still make it worth it. Take things one step at a time - lead generation funnel comes after getting the coin.
- JP Adams
You dont need a 10k PR agency to get results. There are always people coming out of agencies and setting out their own 1-2-3 person company. They are clued up, eager, and far more flexible and creative, and yet they still have the contacts. Back when I ran a web agency our PR worked for a combination of money and contra deals (web/tech/it costs a lot too!) and got us a lot of the coverage we needed, bbc, radio, events etc. We had to be clever, being self financed.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
No I don't think you need that kind of money early on. You just need to be flexible and invest your time. Get someone inhouse to build connections online and the media - if you product is good it can be done. It just needs a lot of time and enthusiasm. When you do have the money, maybe you can consider bringing in the big guns for specific campaigns I think.
- sofiagk
I think that is a useful thing to keep in mind for a tech startup - your knowledge and skills are also extremely expensive out in the marketplace, and your PR agency might need you to learn to navigate the new space as much as you need them to get you the attention of the fickle media. It is an option and I suspect contra deal/bartering will make a comeback in the current climate
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
" Find five completely random blogs, and read them daily for a month. After thirty days, you will absolutely dread your self-imposed requirement to read all that dreck. Any blog you create will most likely be on par with what you've been reading. Don't put anyone through that."
- Mat Morrison
Nonprofit I help- it happened to to us too- we just waited 30 mins and DreamHost figured it out
- anna sauce
This so sucks. it happens a lot more than people think.
- Janet Fouts
Thanks everyone. The site is indeed up again. I'm on the road now so it's been 5 hours or so since I looked at this. Finally a response from DreamHost support. Hardly satisfactory, though. A blog post to come.
- Neville Hobson
It's the Olympics isn't it, it always gets people thinking about exercise.
- jjprojects
I am in my cubicle most of the day in front of my computer, usually 8+ hours. It feels invigorating after working out from a long day at work. Like today, I lifted weights and then biked for 15 miles. ftw!
- imabonehead
come on everyone - it's an open invite - we might even manage to get FastTV to cover it - calling the gig Fit@o2con
- Ben Kepes
I think you should bike (though I understand that might be tough in Vegas), especially if this is your first big exercise in awhile. Your knees and body might tire far to easily jogging in a message that says: 'you're not a kid anymore'. Biking can get your cardio back in shape and tone your muscles a bit and then hit the pavement jogging in a few weeks.
- Andrew Leyden
@benkepes et al: I invite you all to be honorary members of chubby mommy running club. You don't have to be chubby, or a mommy, and our mantra is "Try, not cry!" and please send me pictures of your shoes: http://chubbymommyrunningclub.blogspot.com
- Julie Anderson
We should organize a regular Geek Run. Once a month 5k Geek Run somewhere in the Bay Area. Anyone interested?
- Ryan Kuder
Cool idea. Except I'm in Toronto. Anyone interested in a Toronto Geek Run?
- Troy Forster
from twhirl
OK, the FH digital team is seriously discussing setting up a London Geek Run.
- Brendan Cooper
from twhirl
Seriously, I can help organize these geek run events, would love to! My day job is corporate event strategy for tech companies, my blog's just for fun. Geek runs would be a nice combo of work and fun for me. Work email me at janderson@eventlivingservices.com
- Julie Anderson
Hey Ryan, fabulous blog! Trying to add you to my Twitter, tech error. I'm juliejulie. I'm in Bend, OR, but telecommute down to Bay Area company, www.eventlivingservices.com out of Portola Valley. We work with many large tech companies down there, so I can help recruit and organize.
- Julie Anderson
start running bob. scary what happened to om...
- Ryan
Robert - Put the huge camera down first. I know it'll be hard ... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Oh dear, does he have to interview us while we're running? I'm not sure how much I can talk and run...
- Julie Anderson
Marcel, because I'm dealing with PR folks daily, they feed me with the news in the space I cover. The smart ones are already listening to my preferences, state that in the pitch (cleverly or not) and help to try to deliver what I want, as well as meet their clients needs. To that end, it's not spoon fed, I almost always have to read between the lines to find out what the real truth is --it's never at face value
- Jeremiah Owyang
So with that, I've found that savvy PR folks do a good job of listening to what I'm focused on, reframe it to make sense to me, then pitch. Done correctly, this helps them to rise above the clutter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, you are actually referring to "good" PR. The rants that are going around right now seem to be focused on those types that send a form email to people about their new great product and how they want a review.
- Rob Diana
I've gotta say. As someone involved in the area - I am proud to (at least feel) one step ahead of the game. There is nothing out there I have ever felt as passionate about, apart from my baby, and I can't see the passion dwindling.
- Zee.
btw, which plugin allows for friendfeed comments directly on the blog? Or is that a Movable Type blog you've got there... Oh, no it's not. Which plugin is that?
- Zee.
Great post, you hit most of my recent peeves.
- Heather Solos
strange - sure i have that installed but I'm not getting the ability to add comments directly on the blog which is awesome. Will look into it - cheers.
- Zee.
I'm a long-time PR and Public Affairs guy, but I'm far removed from any metropolitan areas. Very few of my long-time contacts and colleagues are even aware of what Web 2.0 or Social Media are, much less what they mean. They may have a LinkedIn or FaceBook account,but they see such tools as no more than toys. The practical applications of this stuff are beyond them still. I hope to gradually pull some out of their caves and into the light.
- Bob Finch
Pretty damn cool. Neat way to present info in a timeline.
- Robert Scoble
I remember the coffee pot webcam, and the craze that immediately followed. How about this in 1998 - RFC 2324, Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol
- jcunwired
Timeline is incorrect in many spots. For example, it lists "All your base are belong to us" in September, 2001. However, the startup I was working for folded in June of 2001, and "All your base" made the rounds there several months earlier.
- Mistletoe Glen
It's usually something like... Gotta love it, huh? Silly self admiration society for buying a piece of technology, but I really do love it. Sigh....
- Brad Nickel
Generally speaking it isn't something I would strike up a conversation about. When it is someone I am already fairly friendly with of late I make sure they haven't switched over to MobileMe then move on to other topics.
- Soulhuntre
in Israel that would have to be: LET ME TRY!
- Orli Yakuel
welcome to the fold. here is how you do the special hand shake...
- Tony
after a quick glance it reminds me of ping.fm. I'm off to sign up and check it out!
- Richard Kannegieser
from twhirl
can i have a tool to manage my tools please !
- Murali
Good problem to attempt solving. Every profile need not have all fields (need a way to turn off some fields), need for profile groups. On second thoughts isn't it simpler to point to a web site url after some standard about me text? :-)
- arunram
from twhirl
I'd like to see this as an air app on the desktop. Seems like a lot of passwords to give to one service.
- Shawn McCollum
seems like a neat idea but its too damn slow. Arrgh!
- Rahul Das
Looks like this cuts across the identity problem space and the problem that information cards are intended to help resolve, with disclosure under the users control
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
Monumentally stupid idea. Google understands gaming better than anyone - they should be ashamed at the prospect.
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
This is SO obvious, once you see it in operation. GoThis is SO obvious, once you see it in operation. Good lord, the implications are astounding.od lord, the implications are astounding. My question is WHEN?
- Lisa Creech Bledsoe
from twhirl
I'm with Dennis on this one. I think it's scary. I don't want marketers telling me the best search result. And yet, I *do* want humans looking at them. Think about Mahalo. Is that also monumentally wrong? Hmm... What if this ISN'T GoogleDigg (which it looks like) but GoogleMahalo? Where's Jason?
- Chris Brogan
My understanding is that you'll be able to use 'straight' Google search, and/or the Digg-like search. If not, then it should be. I don't see why this is so scary - it offers the best of both worlds, both the machine-based election for what you're searching on, and the human-based. And would it be so easy to game? Can you really game Google? As in, something that large? And if so, how does that make it lesser than Digg - assuming that is also gamable - or indeed current Google?
- Brendan Cooper
from twhirl
"The Wisdom of Crowds" is one thing. This looks more like mob rule. ;)
- Todd Defren
from twhirl
I wonder what if such a search engine had extremely good algorithm for clustering users... I mean - sorting users into crowds/clusters based on their personal preferences... And then ranking it in terms of those who think similar to me?
- A.T.
I liked the simplicity of Twitter. The other similar services all try to tack on way too many bells-and-whistles. Simple is good. And Twitter integrates with FriendFeed so nicely ...
- cerement
I think microblogging is here to stay. The community size will likely to grow, but there will be more consumers than producers.
- Harry Chen
Twitter will grow, but I doubt it will become mainstream. The average person will be more inclined to use social network status updates than a dedicated microblogging service.
- grag
Ben, Good question and I wasn't quite sure what to think. After doing a few quick searches it appears that Twitter has 2 million users (http://twitterfacts.blogspot.com/2008...) while Technorati is tracking 112 million blogs (http://technorati.com/about/). So, that is only 2%. Reading those stats makes me think, IMO, that microblogging will expand to at least 8% (or 9 million total users.)
- Czar
I also think it is here to stay. These services create a whole different angle of social networking
- Neal Jansons
I don't know how viable it will be on Twitter, but Plurk is gaining fast in popularity because of the simple fact that you can have comments like this (friendfeed). With Plurk you can know instantly if your announcement "registers" with the audience. And there is instant feedback.
- Telemill
I think what we all need to realize is that Twitter is not about microblogging (broadcasting yourself), it is about conversation (same as FriendFeed where conversation is even easier which explains its rapid growth). And I think in a year from now we will only see this trend sharpen: people will stick to the services that allow for a more efficient conversation instead of pushing your ideas and thoughts to people without expecting anything in return.
- Svetlana Gladkova
I disagree, I think micro-blogging (broadcast) greatly differ from the bi-directional / conversation we see here in FriendFeed and blogs. So the twitter's and IM products are here to stay. They have a unique and distinct user base.
- Susan Beebe
I think instant messaging is the target of micro blogging (and I agree with Svetlana when she says Twitter is about conversation)
- Romain Péchard
from twhirl
I just wrote a blog post partly connected to this. I think microblogging will survive - but not in and of itself. I think it will survive in concert with other services that integrate with it. It seems that everything is becoming more inclusive - therefore services that try to cause divergent behaviour (e.g. commenting directly on blog posts within the blogs) will probably fail. It's exciting to be around while this is shaking out though...
- Jonathan Beckett
I don't think of microblogs as replacements for traditional blogs, to me they're human-readable endpoints for publishing data feeds.
- Andy Murdoch
I think there's a benefit to microblogging - smaller attention spans. I don't anticipate its near death as people start to multitask more often and find that saying less means more.
- Tamar Weinberg
I think it's a little early to predict the death of microblogging. It's only now just starting to pick up speed.
- David Cohn
@Susan: I have never meant to predict Twitter would die - it's just that I don't see anyone values microblogging in itself - people tend more to use it as a conversational tool which has 2 part involved at least. So I don't care about Twitter as a microblogging platform, I care about it as a social network where lots of people I find interesting discuss things (same and even better goes to FriendFeed).
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
I don't think microblogging will die, but I do think it's telling that this conversation isn't also on Twitter. And if Twitter is about conversation, then FF is more Twitterish than Twitter. It's easier to follow a conversation here, and thus easier to converse.
- Brian Carter
@Stuart Forsyth agreed. microblogging is trending in the direction of other "micro interactions" - speed, efficiency, brevity - for better or worse.
- Dean Terry
I don't think microblogging will replace blogging, anymore than blogs replace books or TV replaced movies- I realize they are on different platforms, but take the metaphor- there are different media of different lengths for different purposes- some blog posts give me detail I need that I can't get on Twitter or FF; some are so long I print them out- some are too long and I never get around to finishing them- but I read books that are longer in less than a week...
- Brian Carter
I think micro blogging in part was just permission to create content that was more immediate and unfinished - with the idea that we create together. And it certainly will continue and grow.
- Tony
microblogging is here to stay, especially plurk where you can have dozens of simultaneous conversations. twitter is old fashioned, it's hard to go back and see what you've missed...
- Darren Daz Cox