Weekly reviews are tough. You don't get any points for doing them, and your life isn't *hugely* better for doing them. But your organization tends to slide down the deep end as a result. - Brent Newhall
what does your weekly review entail? Sounds like something I should be doing. - Trixie Ferguson Gray
Thanks to Chris Brogan - I just had to reshare this! - l0ckergn0me
"The reason is not to control conversation.. The goal is to Enable, Inspire, Influence and Engage" Wow! Just have to write this down here so I'm always reminded what social media is really all about. - Roue Yecpot
thanks for the link the embedded slideshow is great - Nick Cowie via twhirl
Well put, Roue. I teach tech to adults. The 40-and-up crowd get this *instantly*. They don't want to control the conversation. It's the Madison Avenue types who push back on conversation control. - Brent Newhall
She makes a point. From a business point of view, we barely have weekends (I just checked office email on a holiday...), But from a mental health point of view, we need blocks of time to "reset". There's a reason labor leaders of the past fought so hard for shorter weeks. - Sprague D
still not sure how the week wasn't split into 4 days for the work week and 3 days for the weekend, how come 5 and 2? Isn't going halfway human nature? - Lou Paglia
@Lou, I'm with you -- I find 4 long days and 3 off is close to perfect. - Sprague D
Everyone needs down time. Unfortunate many individuals and most major corporations no longer recognize it. Even workaholics needs a break from time to time. - Charlie Anzman
Four long days then a three day weekend sounds good for those who want it, but I think that this idea risks putting us all in a position where workers who want to take their two days off back-to-back are frowned upon. In my experience, single days off spread throughout the week are useless- a single day off is enough time to either unwind or get your non-work related chores done, but not both. - Mike
yes. I need them. but think corps stick with 5-2 because schools do also. - Rob Williams
My life's goal is to live 6 Saturdays and a Sunday, and to bring as many people as possible along with me. - Craig Eddy
Also, I know my productivity drops as the workday continues, and by the 7th hour or so, I'm ready to go home. How productive would most people be during the last hour of a 10-hour day? - Brent Newhall
Absolutely. I need those days to catch up on everything non-work related I didn't have a chance to do during the week. I would much rather have 5 days of hard work than lightly spread work around over 7 days. - Jason Kaneshiro
That is a pretty big assumption that most people work in isolation. People work too much as it is, letting them control when they are off especially when it might not overlap their co-workers will only make things worse. - Scott Watermasysk via NoiseRiver
this is a good point, I'm totally fine with the 5 day week, but why M-F? I kind of like the 'flex-time' the us fed employees where you can get an extra day off every other week, but it is still confined to the M-F work week - nick carrasco
To me it's not about how much time, but how efficient you are with your time. Too many people working longer, not smarter. People need time away to recharge and bring life experience to work interactions. Do we need weekends? Yes. But we need more than that ... 60-80 hour work weeks simply don't pan out IMO. - AJ Kohn
When NASA began the launch of astronauts into space, they found out that the pens wouldn't work at zero gravity (ink won't flow down to the writing surface). To solve this problem, it took them one decade and $12 million. They developed a pen that worked at zero gravity, upside down, underwater, in practically any surface including crystal and in a temperature range from below freezing to over 300 degrees C.
And what did the Russians do....?? They used a pencil. !! - Peter Dawson
The company received a complaint that a consumer had bought a soapbox that was empty. Immediately the authorities isolated the problem to the assembly line, which transported all the packaged boxes of soap to the delivery department.Post-haste, the engineers worked hard to devise an X-ray machine with high-resolution monitors manned by two people to watch all the soapboxes that passed through the line to make sure they were not empty. [...contine below] - Peter Dawson
..... when a rank-and-file employ.e in a small company was posed with the same problem, He bought a strong industrial electric fan and pointed it at the assembly line. He switched the fan on, and as each soapbox passed the fan, it simply blew the empty boxes out of the line. - Peter Dawson
Brent, thanks for de-bunking da story. Its always good to know .. but the above post makes for some story telling to the IT crew who always complicate the solution :)- - Peter Dawson
Ouch.. how sad to ponder! However, if GM is in serious trouble the US Gov't will intercede to keep it running.. too many military contracts and too much of an american institution. - J. Phil
Well, Chapter 11 for a big company doesn't mean a company disappears; it usually means it just re-organizes. - Brent Newhall
wow. I knew they were having problems, but didn't realize it was that bad. - Rob Diana
Good Point Phil, I did not think of that.. and Brent I agree that its a re-org. However, the conditions of Chapter 11 basically protects the company from collections on out standing debt and this too means the US gov :)- - Peter Dawson
email faces increasing competition. Chat, text messages, Twitter, social networks and even lifestreaming tools are chipping away at email usage. - Todd Mundt
And please don't forget face-to-face interaction. Also a big contender. 6.7 billion users world-wide! - benedikt
email is pretty much dead since ages, but everybody keeps using it, mostly to send ads about thingy enlarging products or seeking help for transfering biiig chunks of imaginary money from the philipines to switzerland. heck my 22 years old brother doesn't even know how to send mails with attachments, his primary communication channel is this cell phone. mine are mail, irc, jabber, twitter, friendfeed ... but, I am pretty much alone in this regard throughout almost all the people I know real life wise. So I - Michael Klier
think email will be around for quite some time from now on. (btw the above comment hit the friendfeed "max. allowed characters" mark 8) it's 512 nice number) - Michael Klier
@Michael that's been my experience. I have a set of friends who see IM as a good email replacement, another small group who use twitter and ff that way, but most people I know want to use email - and most want to use it for stuff that it can't do well at all, like group editing of documents. - Todd Mundt
I think it's like everything else. Some folks I know communicate almost entirely through Facebook. Some through IM. Some through email. It's becoming a robust ecology. - Brent Newhall
I would've said Short Circuit *before* I saw the movie - after I have to go with Idiocracy - b/c Wall-e wasn't an "accidentally self-aware" robot to me. And of course, no Ally Sheedy. - Lucretia Pruitt
I don't know that it's wrong, but I have to say it feels kind of wrong when the plot is sooooooo close in the case of idiocracy. If you see the two films you'll understand what I'm talking about... both are good/great films. - Jason Calacanis
I thought the idea was ripped off wallace and gromit a grand day out (the robot that was all alone and cleaned up the moon) - Darren Stuart
short circuit is just ET with a robot! wait what? - paulm
so Wall-E copied Short Circuit which copied ET?!?!?! :-) - Jason Calacanis
Not sure that it really rips off "Idiocracy" at all. I mean, the people of the future aren't STUPID, per se...Similar conceptions of the future, but very different perspectives and stories. I'll grant that WALL-E himself resembles Johnny 5, though. - Lon Harris via twhirl
Jason, this link already appeared on FF when you dugg it. It gets kind of annoying to see all your links in duplicate or triplicate. - Richard Klein
Pixar also ripped off "Doc Hollywood" to make "Cars". Google that. - Hashim Warren
I haven't seen Wall-E yet, but overheard a couple of coworkers discussing it and thought to myself "that sounds sort of like Idocracy with robot-like creatures instead of people". - Ken Pruett
It *is* possible to make one movie that is similar to another movie, without "ripping it off." Wall-E ripped off Idiocracy and Short Circuit in the same way that The Matrix ripped off a bunch of SF novels and Raiders of the Lost Ark ripped off the old Republic adventure serials. - Brent Newhall
Hmmm... maybe "Wall-E" is derived from "Short Circuit" and "Idiocracy." But "Idiocracy" is derived from a 50-year-old story called "The Marching Morons," by C.M. Kornbluth and Fredrik Pohl (iirc). Similar premise, much darker ending than "Idiocracy." - Mitch Wagner
Just had a discussion with a friend of mine about this. He claims it's because 'the coffee fad is over'. I can't help but see it as something far more sinister than that. - Akiva Moskovitz
C'mon - how sustainable is your business model when the first strategy is to put them on every street corner, literally within a block of each other? - Vermyndax via twhirl
link is not working for me, Jason - its working now. Ya, I don't think the "coffee fad is over" but who the fuck can afford to drive to Starbucks for coffee? Not me. - Richard
Well in Vancouver we have one on every corner. And still there's queues! - Phil Whelan
Phil: same in Toronto...never been in an empty Starbucks - ever. - Kevin Cearns
"Starbucks is closing 19 percent of all U.S. company-operated stores that opened in the last two years, Chief Financial Officer Pete Bocian said during a conference call" - wow. - Jonathon
Meh - Go figure, it takes $4/Gal gas to get people to stop buying $4/Cup Coffee - The only surprise is how surprised everyone is! - RapidEye
REye-funny! Not exactly like good coffee that hard to DIY at home anyway. - Mark Forman
serves them right for charging the equivalent of a lunch meal for a mocha-frappo-chino-late-half-caff-decaf. i hope kenny g feels it! - Cee Bee
seems like an oversaturated market and a passing phase. what will be next? - Collin
even more incredible, they were all in a 4 block radius in manhattan. - Chris Hollander
One of them better not be near my place or There Will Be Blood - Shane
@Shane: That's probably a good sign that they NEED to close the one near your house. :) - Jason Shultz via twhirl
Living in Modesto, it amazed me how often I would drive by a Starbucks on the way to the office and see a line of SUVs in the drive thru waiting for their coffee. I could park, walk in, get a 1.25 coffee, walk out, get in the car and leave and most of those vehicles would still be in the que. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
This must mean more people are drinking Tim Hortons - Jeff Hoard via twhirl
Kinda surprised I'm the first to reference the Onion article on Starbucks closing all its stores and starting the sinister "Phase Two": http://www.theonion.com/conten... - Brent Newhall
Mark Forman - no kidding! I've got a Mr Coffee on the counter that if I keep clean, really makes a great pot of coffee: got the formula tweeked perfect and its much better than that stuff at Starbucks. That and a nice stainless thermos I got for a safety award 6 or 7 yrs ago at work, and that $4/cup folks spend at Starbucks will pay for my whole week of a full thermos (that thermos is 3 full mugs) plus a mug in the other hand to get down the road to work. - RapidEye
Saying Starbucks closing 600 stores has to do with the economy might not be so true. Starbucks has massively over saturated...everything! Not to mention that they sell their coffee for regular coffee makers and, people do buy it. I might not go to Starbucks and pay $5 for a cup of coffee anymore but, I did have four cups of their Breakfast Blend from my own coffee maker today. - Candace Holly
file under could care less since i don't drink Coffee being a robot and all seriously though i really not a robot... LOL - Cecil Sandus
OK, first of all, it is part of a restructuring plan that closes on 600 out of the 7000 stores and 4000 outlets that Starbucks has. Also these 600 stores do not make a profit. Third Starbucks plans to open another 200 next year. So yes it sucks that 14K people will loose jobs, starbucks will have to pay $200M in early termination costs/taxes. But good for them for keeping a lean business. Maybe it will reduce that $5 cup of coffee - Edward
What do you call 600 new community centers with free wifi, fresh coffee, and good conversation. A good start - John Frost
Is it just because Linux is less "demanding" on the hardware? I'm cleaning up a 5-year-old Dell laptop to install Ubuntu on it as a coffeeshop machine. - Harvey Simmons
I also suspect that those who build the world's fastest computers have already spent so much money on the hardware that they're more likely to use a free OS. - Brent Newhall
@Brent: Most of these machines are purpose built. The OS choice was made long before the hardware in almost all of them. - Jason Ellis via twhirl
Yeah, the time element is undoubtedly incorrect there. But I still think that, on those computers, the builders focus their spending on the hardware, not the software. - Brent Newhall
My First Patch of 21MG went onto my arm about 1Min ago. My attempt to quit smoking has began. Have smoked for the last 26 yrs, an avg of approx 15-20 Cigg's a day. Some days even more. Every Change begins with small step and today I have taken that first step. I will continue to micro update this post as when I feel like it. I hope my Friend are out here are willing to my screech and give me moral support. So there, wish me luck !! - Peter Dawson
I found giving up smoking easy, once I had my daughter I saw all these commercials on television about children losing their parents and that did it for me!! - Joe Dawson
You gonna need something more than luck, but I wish you well in this. I'm staying on the dark side for now - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Peter,
I was a nicotine slave for 17 years. I know different things work for different folks, but, I used "Commit" and was completely amazed. Spent a total of $60 on it, over the counter, no Doctors, amazing. No propmises and I don't work for them but its good stuff - Cody Heitschmidt via fftogo
Day1- 30/06 - My first 7hrs of de-tox- the craving is like a big ouch..Tried nicorate gum, but thatmade my tongue feel like sand paper. 1 hrs later, I caved in and smoked 1/2 a cigg an then butted. Still not had lunch, wondering if I will reach for a cigg once thats done !! - Anyway, so far I am happy, normally by this time of day, I would have had at least 4-6 !! - Peter Dawson
Keep working at it! I hear its one of the hardest things to kick period. I read about pfizers new drug Chantix... I haven't heard of anyone using it though. Does anyone know how successful it is? - Frankie Warren
Good luck- it is very hard but it *can* be done. Hang in there! (And think of the good you are doing for your body and your wallet.) - Abby Martin
@Abby, I hear you on the wallet - its like pinching hard .. $450/month on cigg alone ..kinda crazy .. as for the health aspect, even though I think I am fit, I can become more fitter when I cut smoking. BTW, thanks ALL the commentors for support - Peter Dawson
any1 has suggestion for chewin something ? I tried chewing gum, nictorate gum and am lost and I dont have a sweet tooth !! - Peter Dawson
Ok the day is nearly over.. the hardest part of killinn the evening will start soon. So far its been ONLY 2 cigg's ... - Peter Dawson
Zyban and Nicorette worked well for me back in Jan. 2001, plus an exercise routine as well. I hear Chantix is even more effective than Zyban, but some users have reported aberrant behaviour. Stay strong and remind yourself that it's pure poison everytime you feel the need. Don't worry about the weight loss. Think about how much better life will become the longer you stay off the nicotine. - Siddharth Deb
Had my first beer for the evening - managed NOT to smoke !! So far doing well !! - Peter Dawson
If you can drink without smoking, you are doing very well. That's a natural combo. So well done you. - Abby Martin
Good luck. Can be done if you really want to. Been off of nicotine for almost 7 years. - Mark Forman
avoid the grog, it's way too hard to drink without smoking, at least for the first couple of months - Duncan Riley
G'luck! I quit Apr 23 :) Also avoid the morning breakfast hangout where the old guys gather to bullshit, drink coffee, and smoke... bad place, bad. - Michael W. May via twhirl
d2 - 0701 Whoever said that sleeping with the patch is k ? 4 me it was a very bad bad nite. Weird Dreams and all that not so nice stuff. Challenge for the day, break the coffee and smoke habit. So its coffee ONLY and then a shower to get Dose#2 .. lets see how today goes ..All in all- just about 5 cigg yesterday. Thats like a 75% reduction rate for day1. need to keep it this way or less for a week and then I think wk1 will pan out well ! - Peter Dawson
@Duncan, yeah I caved during the evening beers and after supper. So need to focused more on alternatives for the evening. a beer or two a in the evenings has been a routine for me. - Peter Dawson
Another challenge is the BBQ session that I'l be going to. Today is Canada Day and spending the whole afternoon outside. with family friends. Freaky as it sounds.. I am wishing for rain today.. so that I run back indoors. Yes, no smoking in the home rule exists at friends place (his better half will kick the snort out of any1 who dares spark up !) , so that may help too (the rain !!) .. - Peter Dawson
Best of luck! Quitting any addiction isn't easy. - Brent Newhall
does not need to be tough..read Alan Carr...and enjoy you just took a great decision - PF Thaler
Today seemed to be a bad day !! I think I failed- began taking a drag of a cigg and returning it..evenutally by later afternoon, was smoking a full cigg. In short, I did about 5-6 , yeah need to keep away from the beers too hile trying to quit.. me bad.. - Peter Dawson
You're NOT bad. This is hard. You're trying. Hang in there. - Abby Martin
Broke the Morning habbit of coffee and cigg. I just got up, splashed water on my face and then took a brisk walk around the block.. and then took another walk to get a Timmies. So the morning ritual of making coffee /reaching for cigg has been broken. Now, I hope tis stays broken ..hahahah :)- - Peter Dawson
Words of advice on Food intake :- "Eat like a KING for b/Fast, like a PRINCE for Lunch and like a PAUPER for supper" - eh ? easier said then done. I find that I every 1/2 hr stuffing myself with muncies !! Methinks, .zats not a good habit - Peter Dawson
No, this is normal when you quit smoking- you're compensating for the lost nicotine and your appetite is on the rise as it leaves your system. But hang in there! - Abby Martin
Rule#1 : Don't reach for Cigg +Coffee at wake up time , is intact !! . Went out for a brisk walk and did 3 sets of pushups , 10,5, 8 :)- So now , having Coffee and checking Emails ! - Peter Dawson
Dreams are getting wierdier.. I had dream that I was in prison and the inmates were crazy.. yeah something like "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" kinda thingy.. Got up at preceisly 2:49AM .. Tonight, I'll remove the patch before sleeping. Secondly, its Friday an this means social drinking too.. and partying someplace. Got to stick at home , is what I say 4 tonight - Peter Dawson
Sat evening 07/05 - 3 beers, 3 rum& coke + 3 ciggs ONLY. I took a cigg after dinner and only 2 during the course of my grog. me hinks, that I di just A-ok !! JUST 2 ciggs between 6 rounds of drinks and in 4 hrs of hanging out, seems 2 me its an accomplishment. Why ? normally by this time I would done at least about 1/2 pack.. easily about 10-12 ciggs in a session like this !! btw ..Old country for old men on a 52" HDTV screen is just awesome !! ... - Peter Dawson
Um, you mean like Pownce and Jaiku? :-) - Brent Newhall
Mmm, right probably, but the client & accessibility is important. More importantly, I want it to very simple not to take so much time. But, I think I need to look around for including some cooler features. - Nikpay
Certainly it's a good idea, Google Social or whatever this will end up being called could easily become the biggest player in online social networking scene faster than anyone. Is that something they should brag about? I think not. If they fail to do accomplish that feat, then we'll have a story. - Damien Franco
google social is a good vision. Google offers API for all of their services & adding more social features to the integration could have a high potential. - Nikpay
“I'm curious about something - would something like podcast posts be something that readers (listeners) would find interesting - as long as they were combined with a written summary and referenced links provided or is that kind of fulltime thing still off in the future?”
A lot of people can read quicker than the time it takes to listen to a podcast... I've seen a few people use the format you speak of but I'm unsure how effective it is.. - Julian Baldwin
I just listened to a post from Robert Scoble. It was from Mashable regarding the new features on Utterz. It was about 20mins. long and very interesting. I would definitely like to see more of this on FriendFeed. - Chris Rodgers
@Chris I was thinking more in teh range of 5 to 10 minutes with really a max time of 15 minutes - Steven Hodson
@Shey yes both those things would be a requirement for two reaons 1 for the reader's benefit 2. for the link and search engine juice - Steven Hodson
@Steven Either way I think it would be a great idea to do this in FriendFeed. I would listen. - Chris Rodgers
Sounds like a great idea Steven and I really like the 5-10 min length - Shey
I personally have a really hard time sitting through online video/audio (even 1 minute feels long). I'd read the summaries. - Hutch Carpenter
I have podcasts on in the background so there is plenty of time to read good summaries (or anything else for that matter) ;-) - Alexander van Elsas
Yeah a written summary would help a ton if the author has the time and if the podcast is long. If it's not that long, then it's not really necessary. - Corvida
I don't like videos at art galleries either. I like videos at "short film" conferences, but when I read I'm into reading and multi-tasking. Videos are more single-task. I don't really enjoy watching videos (except music videos or CNN in the background) while web-surfing. My vote: Provide text-summaries of video-posts (even just 2-5 lines of text). - Mitchell Tsai
Inasmuch as I do much of my browsing on an older mobile phone, text summaries and transcripts are essential. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
I think if you post a direct link to an MP3 file here in Friendfeed, you get a little audio player embedded in your feed. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
@Brian yes I've seen it being done and if I decide to go with the idea nad it proves popular I'll look at how that is done. Presently I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around how I want to format it all and any other limits I need to put around the idea - Steven Hodson
@Philip I'm a reader of his blog but I'll definitely take a look at the link - thanks - Steven Hodson
I would love written summaries and link refs! Most of the time you really only get a link to the podcast which is very frustrating. - Rob Diana
Morning Steven. Agree with Rob .. I only turn the volume on when I have 'a little time' to explore some video and audio. Without a good caption, probably wouldn't go there - Charlie Anzman
Yes, but only from the podcast producer(s) themselves. I don't want every TWiT listener to embed audio of the latest episode. - Brent Newhall
why not try it? you would be the first to do it in friendfeed - Sarah Perez
I agree that short form audio would be ideal in FF with links to longer clips and related videos. Text descriptions and even a thumbnail photo would be great too. Chris Pirillo shared a Wii video yesterday and only the audio played back within FF. - Larry Kless
Not having read the report, my initial reaction to the headline based on my experience is that it is probably the outreach strategy, if that headline is true. - John Cass via Alert Thingy
My thought is that many corporate blogs push their agenda, without considering the readers first. - Jeremiah Owyang
before Corporations blog, they need to understand (a) the clue Train Manifesto and (b) the market is luaghing, at them !! - Peter Dawson
The power of social media isn't so much in giving the leadership an online megaphone, but to economically service niche parts of a company's business. If a blog doesn't generate some arbitrary number of comments... WHO CARES!?! If the blog is about an arcane technical topic... WHO CARES!?! Does it reach the right people? Does it get the job done? - Phil Gomes
I'm sure they're unimaginative, but are they really failures? The blogs may be dull and provide little new information, but at least corporations are blogging. Isn't that a step in the right direction? - Brent Newhall
Nice to have an employer which gives me pretty complete access to Forrester material. Mmmm, feel the learning :-D - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl
I read a reasonably good article somewhere that said the problem is that instead of finding the internal blog champions, companies push blogs out through their same constrained traditional marketing and communications channels. Also, I liked the Greg the Architect video, even if it is viral marketing for TIBCO. - Richard Akerman
agree w/ richard that the companies that do blogging via their traditional marketing/communications group don't normally do a very good job of it - mike "glemak" dunn
now for my reaction to this article - ben worthen of wsj did a terrible job on this one, title is linkbaiting, the report he references and that makes up most of the content is from forrester and is related to b2b companies only - i'm sure its a valid report based on a valid study but how ben could then extrapolate this into all corp blogs (including b2c companies) is beyond my comprehension - do journalism much ben? boy i wish i could get back the 3 minutes it took me to read his fluff piece and write this - mike "glemak" dunn
I've been foloowing EMC's efforts at enterprise 2.0, as blogged by Chuck Hollis, VP Tech Alliances. He gives great detail about how they're doing it. In this blog post, he talks about grooming internal employees as bloggers, and graduating them to interact externally. Also some very good thoughts about corporate blogs. http://chucksblog.typepad.com/... - Hutch Carpenter
What's really ironic is that Forrester puts itself out as THE social media analyst firm. Which begs the question: WTF are they doing? - Dennis Howlett via twhirl
hutch & richard - those are two good links to thoughtful well done posts/articles on corp blogging - hope ben finds this thread so that maybe next thing he does for wsj is more like those (thanks brian btw) - mike "glemak" dunn
I hope it will be only Friendfeed soon. Doesn't anybody else get tired of all these different kind of networks? Sometimes monopoly is a good thing. Let's all head over to MSN ;-) - Rutger Blom via twhirl
mine is a little more extreme - friendfeed mostly & twitter rarely - i do push my ff's to twitter & i check my twitter replies & dm sometimes - i would like to get to the point where all my friends are in friendfeed and i no longer need to go to twitter at all - i used to like whales ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree. They are different and both ueful in different ways. I see no need to choose between them just yet. I'm using Plurk too, which is different again - very informal conversation. - jjprojects
Disagree. Reason? Time. I don't have time for multiple services. For me, right now at least, it's FF. - Steve Rubel
You don't need one to use the other but they sure are handy to use together - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
Haven't maid up my mind yet, but it seems that the different services and their approaches fill different needs. Undecided for now! - tekspectator
Exactly! Why does it have to be "either" "or"? - Steve
I definitely agree. It is frustrating to have people insist one is better than the other. Two totally different beasts. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
could not agree more. probably the best twitter, FF comment in a long time. - Bastian
Agree! At this point, FF's comment functionality isn't good enough to replace Twitter for me. With Twhirl, it doesn't seem like tool overload to use both. - jen robinson via twhirl
Apart from twitter's SMS interface.. what is missing (for you) in FF? @ ? - Kishore Balakrishnan
Its FF only. reaons against Twitter : (a) Twitter whaling to often (b) not easy to track/thread twitter replies together. FOR FF (1) FF stable (2) FF Conov enabler/agggreagator (3) I like it better :)- - Peter Dawson
An integrated solution with both would be best. Twittering out of FriendFeed - that's my dream! - Matthias Schwenk
Oh definitely agree. They are symbiotic beasts - Deepak
Agree absolutely, when social media tools complement, the sum become greater than the parts - Charlie Hope via twhirl
@ Matthias you can comment back from FF in Twitter already... - Charlie Hope via twhirl
and, and, and... there's Utterz, Flickr, blog, etc. etc. etc. -- so, yes. It all goes together. FriendFeed has a chance to become a hub (the way Twitter is foe me now, but more so), if it can somehow tame itself - Doug Haslam via twhirl
Funny how this comes to my attention now as Twitter is not updating for me, but FF is. I love how I can reply to FF via @Twhirl. That is a dynamic combintion. - Tracy Lee Carroll via twhirl
@Matthias I wonder if someone has created a tool that takes your own FF posts and makes a tweet from it? You'd need to turn off tweets in FF otherwise there would be a feedback loop that would eventually destroy the universe. - Elliot Tucker
elliot: twitterfeed does that, put in your ff atom feed and remove your twitter feed from ff - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree....finally somebody comes out and says it as it should be said :) - Arjun
it's both right now - if you have group of people in Twitter then it is both - otherwise the conversation is moving more into friendfeed on a greater range of topics so for those not so tied to twitter it is twitter or friendfeed - riaz
Disagree. Twitter has crossed the line. It is dead to me and too much of the time it is dead to everyone. - Dave Slusher
I kind of agree. There's too much noise on FriendFeed to have simple, conversational, exchanges. - Bill Bittner
If Twitter doesn't get its act together, it will be FriendFeed and no Twitter. I'm revisiting FriendFeed today after a nice hiatus - Michael Koby via Alert Thingy
This is be being real: I love Twitter, and don't get me wrong, I think FriendFeed is cool, too.. but I think Facebook will ultimately adopt the killer features of both and wipe them out. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
Agree; tell me though, does Pownce = Twitter + FriendFeed [or vice-versa] or am I just being thick? Twhirl posts to Pownce for me as well, but taking Rafe Needleman's advice and not tracking multiple communities. FF good for posts too long for Twitter - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl
FriendFeed > Twitter for me. I feel more value when I post here first. - (steve isaacs)
agree, and, in between Twitter and Friendfeed , many other indispensible things are included. - Nikos Anagnostou
Both - but grudgingly. Honestly? The only reason I go to FF is because some of my Twitterpals migrated here and won't come back. Twitter is my main gal - FF is my Friday night stand-in. If I could do away with FF I would. - Lucretia Pruitt
Twitter is too myopic to last much longer. Our online lives are a lot more complicated than 140 characters. - David Weiner
How much time to we all have?? There are use cases for both twitter and friend feed. Some people WILL choose one or the other. There are functional aspects that i like about both. For me it is both. - Rodney Rumford
Its neither - it's what fits your structure and how you want to connect. If you want actual conversations and build on relationpships, IMO, Plurk is good at that. FF seems too cluttered but aggregates a lot information together. Twitter is still good for me and is a great broadcast tool, some communication, and a lot of industry heads that you can learn from. - Sonny Gill
What the heck, throw in Plurk and you got a deal. - Rick Wolff
It's becoming less and less so. I'd much rather have one service I can do it all on and FriendFeed satisfies that much better. Twitter still has things FF doesn't though so for what FF doesn't satisfy, I will continue to use Twitter for. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
I suppose I could go with the AND if FF offered a pure stream like twitter. I really don't like the threaded conversation presentation ... but maybe that's because I mostly use twirl? - Clint
You're almost right. I get what you're getting at. But the two are different and will grow separate paths with some common features. - phil baumann
phil, if they do grow in separate paths, that's great! I'll continue using both! However, I will not continue to use both for the same reasons. I'm removing the duplicate effort lately and consolodating what I can over to FriendFeed, leaving the remaining effort to Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
My other concern is that Twitter just doesn't have the expertise up high to make it a successful service. You will see the FF founders frequently engaged in conversations about FF on their service. I have yet to see a single Twitter founder engage in any of the critiques or compliments about their service on Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
FF ideal for social discovery as long as folks hooking up enough of their services. I like the "noise" of FF. - Stephen Francoeur
...and Plurk, and Facebook, and Pownce, and Jaiku, and more to come. Twitter for its simplicity and all the add-on apps and all the others for conversations or smaller groups with specific interests. - Brenda Young
