"In 1981, Kraftwerk sold a nice merchandise item on their concerts: a Casio VL-80 calculator with Kraftwerk print on pouch and display, complete with a Kraftwerk songsheet. This Casio calculator is capable of playing a total of 100 musical keys over two octaves. " - l.m.orchard
“I'm starting to find FF to be a much conducive environment for inane chatter than twitter: real comments. That and the whole being actually functioning thing.”
Added you. Also new to FF. I think it might be information overload, though... - John Storer II via twhirl
I added you two weeks ago. Guys and Gals - use the hide button to reduce the info overload. - Russellreno
yea I am trying to figure out how to make my friend feed posts go out to twitter - Jason Stephens
Jason: why? post to twitter and bring them in. - klecu
klecu: because then I have to leave friendfeed, I want to do everything in here...when I share I want it to go out to all my services too.... - Jason Stephens
I think you've got it backwards. FriendFeed is drawing in everything, not sending out. - John Storer II via twhirl
exactly my point...I think it could be a twitter replacement though...i like posting to hear better then posting on twitter. I'd like the messages I share on here to go out to my twitter followers to help grow my subscriber list - Jason Stephens
So is it Ping.fm that does that (posts to Twitter) then, not FriendFeed? - Jeff Kopp
That is, of course, a very valid example. Unfortunately, It's sort of like the AIM/ICQ Fiasco. All your friends are on AIM... why should they switch, even when AIM now sucks? I just got into FF, so I am not sure it could handle the excess traffic like twitter is dealing with. - John Storer II via twhirl
The method to comment and reply is much better on friendfeed, I think this definitly should either be bought by twitter or find a way to cross integrate them better. I see the option to "also send this comment as an @reply twitter from jpstephens" but thats not EXACTLY what I mean - Jason Stephens
Jason: I totally agree, if you can post out to all your socials then someone tell me how. If not, then FF should have the option or I smell yet another social network for social networks. ;) - Mark
You could try Mahalo share to post to a lot of your socials at once, but wouldn't this create a bit of a spam effect to FF if all of those socials are showing up here? Interested to hear comments from anyone with that experience, because of course you don't want to spam your FF friends, but not everyone is using FF... conundrum - Dave Earley
Glad you got it Kevin. Friendfeed lends it self to more engaging conversation and sharing. - Larry Kless
Problem is, you have to Friend back. :) - l0ckergn0me
Did Scoble block you for begging for followers? - Ryan Kuder
yeah there's real potential. but it's so damn hard to manage your friend list! same as with twitter - this is a huge barrier to the usability of the site. there should be a subscribe/unsubscribe button next to every post from anybody. - Mickipedia
Friendfeed is awesome Kev. Everything at your fingertips. - Vipin Chamakkala
This is a common refrain - people admitting that it takes them months to get FriendFeed. And for those of us who aren't honest enough to publicly admit this, it takes us months to use FriendFeed effectively. Is there a way to reduce this learning curve, so people can productively use FriendFeed from day 1? - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
There are all sorts of things they could do to improve FriendFeed. I guess we have to remember it is version 1.0 - Jonathan Beckett
You don't get it Kevin unless you're willing to friend us back. I believe same goes for Twitter. Why add you to our community if you're not willing to listen to us? - Jesse Stay
So the question now is: Will Kevin friend us back? All of us? Or selective friending? - Winston Teo
Yea, welcome on Board Dude ;) Good to see you here ... - Martin Gommel
FriendFeed's concept does take a bit to grasp at first because we are sooo used to Twitter (uni-directional, broadcast communications tool) and FF is truly a multi-directional comm tool designed to illicit conversation around cool stuff you share via FF directly or thru nearly 50 Social Media "feeds" you can port over here. I love FF and have been super happy since I joined back in March! ;o). Glad you're here and having fun!! - Susan Beebe
I still don't get it. There seems to just be too much noise. I get crap from people I don't know and I'm not following. Every item that hits my feed and has any comments takes up stupid amounts of space so it's hard to scan through. Twitter is just light weight and simple, and in that way it's more effective. If you could have a 1 or 2 line summary for each item then it'd be great, but as it is it's cluttered and overpowering, and I only have 6 follows, I can't imagine what it's like with 100s - Mark Benson via twhirl
About time you showed up. Now I can remove your twitter's entry in my Imaginary Friend. Real handy feature to track non-adopters. - klaatu
I've explored every nook and cranny of Friendfeed now, grasped the interface and culture, and I am fairly certain that in its current incarnation it will catch on with only a very small percentage of Internet users. I have a fairly good track record in spotting major trends in Internet technology, and I don't think this is one. The main problem: way, way, way too much noise and redundancy, and not enough tools to whittle it down effectively. For most busy people around the world, a Drudge Report-style interface -- a few dozen important headlines packed on a single page -- is ideal. - Sean McBride
I like FF because you can have more conversations. I think the look/feel of FF needs some work though. Not enough easy ways to search and sort through. - Geoff Peterson
I'm sorry to duplicate comments . . hide me if you must, but ping.fm is absolutely my favorite, and will do everything you are asking!!! - Niall Connellan
agreed, Ping.fm works great (especially on the iPhone) and will really help me deal with ongoing deluge of micro-blogging services - Scott Beale
HelloTxt has Twitter & Identi.ca capabilities for simultaneous posting as well, btw ... and 19 other services, half of which I've never heard of - http://hellotxt.com/ ... it's what I use. They also have a good mobile platform (I'm not sure if Ping.FM has this) - M. Donaldson
I left a comment agreeing with you on this post. - Robert Scoble
Linking may be less important but as I've said elsewhere the alternatives do not always provide quality traffic to go with the quantity. - Colin Walker via fftogo
'Like' * 3!!! You said what we've all wanted to say, Louis - thanks for this great post. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
Interesting... and I wonder what this is going to do to Google's rankjuice flow model... if linking to others as part of a mutual info/attention ecomony starts to decline in importance and value. - Tom Beardshaw
@tombeardshaw, you can see how old-school google is .. - gregory lent
There's now a pretty good dialog in the Disqus comments on Louis' blog as well. Good reading - Charlie Anzman
@louisgray this is totally wrong. Linking is one of the most powerful signals you can send to Google about your importance and authority in your topical area. I will leave a bigger comment on your post but basically just read @DannySullivan comment carefully because he said it well. And he should know. Especially brand new bloggers NEED high quality links to even be found in Google. What % of your traffic is through Google? 60%? 75%? Enuf said. - Elliott Ng
@gregorylent maybe... searching people and what they've found here vs searching pages and their content on google? I find FF more useful for finding the latest content. Google still rules as an archive though. - Tom Beardshaw
@Elliott - I think the point of the post was that Louis is getting traffic from FF, google etc rather than from blogs linking to his posts. - John
I guess this could be seen as a Tipping Point for your blog, Louis. When you started out you relied on other people linking to you but now you generated enough content, authority and page rank that the referral traffic from blogs is minimal compared to what you get from Google searches. - John
John, that could be one way of looking at it. Also, year over year, a link from Scoble is about the same. I didn't get linked to from the big guys, aside from him, in 2007. I would get about 200 visits from his stories last year, and the FriendFeed one drove about 350 this year, with other mentions being in the 70 range. Also, this post wasn't supposed to be about me, per se, but about how the biggest blogs drove such a small amount of traffic, relative to social media, in general. - Louis Gray
IMHO, it was always the case that you got more comments the more you commented on other people's blogs. Sort of symbiotic relationship. FF seems to just be the next incarnation of the same rule. FF really is just a single portal to view a member's complete content stream and comment inline. - Shawn Smith
It would be interesting to take a look at a relatively new blogger who is active in social media to see what kind of numbers they are getting. - John
I agree with John above. I went through this with my niche blog. Now, my biggest worry is to keep advancing my game so I stay on the other side of the tipping point. Social Media is a part of that game, adding other services, networks, etc are an important part as well. But they're just tools. - John Frost
I'm inclined to think that there is something much bigger going on here. - Kevin
I think what's really going on is web browsing behavior is changing. People are less inclined to click on blog links. I think louis is right - folks are relying on aggregators and search engines to find content, or they're in their reader subscribed to so many blogs following the links within articles is less appealing. - Jason Kaneshiro
I think there is a point at which what Louis says is true, but it's after his blog "arrived" in a sense. After all, a link from Mashable that only give him 77 readers isn't much when he's getting 3,000 visitors from Google that same day. But it's a ton when no one knows who he is (including Google). I agree with John above about the "Tipping Point." - Bob Caswell
Great piece describing the changing landscape for how blogs are discovered and read. Interesting that the #1 and #3 blogs that drove your referrals were posts that themselves were powered by Techmeme and Digg. You indirectly got the benefit through those services. - Hutch Carpenter
i think i have to agree here. i used to find all kinds of new sites through post links but rarely click out of google reader unless i want to comment these days. ff and twitter drive me to more new sites now. - Steve Long
This applies to those people in the thick of the blogosphere and social media, NOT to the rest of the people on the Web who don't know what all this newfangled Web 2.0 stuff is. And quite frankly, that's a good 99% of the people getting online. - Wendy
I believe I agree with the change of discovery of content, but in the end it's still a link whether it's from a blog or from an aggregator such as FriendFeed - I still click on a link. We are simply adding multiple layers (shared thru Google Reader -> FriendFeed -> actual content). - simonpure
There's no irony of it being on Techmeme. I said that's where many people find their news... so it shows the system works. - Louis Gray
Links are still *extremely* important. Your 'Google/Organic' results wouldn't have happened unless you'd established yourself as a hub and authority in your 'neighborhood'. The only way Google understands this is by looking at links: quality and quantity. In addition, you don't get full credit for links right away. It takes time for Google to fully weight the links you have, thus avoiding ephemeral link gaming strategies. - AJ Kohn
Louis, great article on the sliding landscape of traffic aggregration, but I didn't see you make mention of the quality of your visits - only volume. SU for instance offers some great volume, but I'm not seeing a lot of stickiness from that source. However, I do see the smaller referers seem to build longer lasting communities - and yes FriendFeed has offered some great interaction. - ChangeForge via twhirl
If mobileme is launching, won't it need the 2.0 firmware? Won't that mean app store is launching as well? - gregory
I'm hoping for an early 2.0 release. I leave for a weekend trip on Thursday and would love to have it with me. - RyanEs
Well there wouldn't be much point in launching MobileMe without the iPhone 2.0 software, at least. - Ian Betteridge
This did not seem like any big deal when I first heard about it last month. Now, however, I am really looking forward to it. Hats off to Apple for creating full blown web 2.0 apps and supporing the 3 main browsers right from the start! - Johnny Software
Super-stoked for MobileMe! I'm already using my @me.com address, and cant wait for the rest of MobileMe to come online tonight. - Granteezy
Yep already got Mail.app set up for me.com and looking forward to iPhone and MobileMe come Friday. Deals with the one major annoyance of having to sync each little contact or calendar change via cable with iTunes. - John Samuelson
Wow. Gotta say, I'm pretty sold on this thing just for it's size and connivence to use. Just like Merlin writes in the post. - Adam Turetzky
I couldn't love mine any more...I filmed an entire Vegas trip on it. - Mike Flynn
Love this thing. My wife uses it to get quick captures of my 2 year old. Video quality more than adequate. - John Walker
I absolutely agree with merlin and loved his post. Tiny little problem for me is that the flip video is not being sold over here in good old germany. Will order one from the UK. - stefan beckmann
Flip might be the Polaroid of this time - the real question is "will you take the same kind/amount of vidoe of your second kid?" - Paul
I am wondering if they will have this functionality in a 3rd party app on the 3G iphone? - Jason Stephens
I love it. The internet has a never-ending grudge against Bill O'Reilly and the man just keeps digging himself deeper. It's hard to believe a "journalist" so widely hated on the net can find an audience, but I guess that says a lot about who is and isn't active online. - Nick Bowersox