Brian Hendrickson - Likes

1.05 (670/633) - Micah Wittman from Bookmarklet

Can you remind me again where to find those stats? - Brian Johns

Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion. - Micah Wittman

0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here - mikepk

I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week! - Brian Johns

1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page) - Micah Wittman

OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals... - Brian Johns

3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like. - Cyrus Lendvay

FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in. - Micah Wittman from twhirl

0.79 - Brian Roy

0.77 - Eric @ CS Techcast

0.67 - Nine

0.77 - Shey, Jamaican of FF

0.76 - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

1.39. - Rochelle

1.80 - Brian Sullivan

1.61 - I only 'like' when I want to throw my support behind a topic but don't have anything constructive to add. - Bjorn Stromberg

1.12 - LogEx

1.41 - WorldofHiglet

5.08 (3181/626) ! - ◄ani625Ξ

2.41 - William Harryman

0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem. - Bren, Photophobe

0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments - Cee Bee

1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief! - Her Lindsay-ness

@Cee Bee I think you meant 0.62 - ◄ani625Ξ

1.27 (902/705) - Leandro Ardissone ⍨

yes, thanks for the correction. lindsay, you're making me feel bad. lol - Cee Bee

0.8576, I only like mostly when I'm going to comment - Mol, Time Warping

1.55 endlessly repeating. This Like/Comment included. - Dana D

before this comment: .69 I kid you not. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both) - Micah Wittman

CSV_A: 1.05,0.75,1.44,0.81,3.74,0.79,0.77,0.67,0.77,0.76,1.39,1.8,1.61,1.12,0.141,5.08,2.41,0.66,.39,0.62,.62,1.27,0.8576,1.551,0.69 - Micah Wittman

1.83 - Grant Bierman

I tend to like allot of photos which really don't need comments. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks! - Micah Wittman

.37 1002/2708 - Michael Fidler

this is what scobes walls would like if he didnt have FF - sean percival

I haven't seen Marc Canter's fabled fence (just heard about it), but I imagine this but on wood pickets :) - Micah Wittman

This week: 2.48 (1162:467) but this is not the norm, my likes usually match or are higher than comments, overall: 0.95 (14228:14846). - Kol Tregaskes

Thanks Michael, Kol! I'll recalculate average/median when we build up some more data points here. - Micah Wittman

1.03 748/723 - Keith - @tsudo

.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link. - Mitchell Tsai

Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots) - Micah Wittman

1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up. - Tyson Key

*bump* - Micah Wittman

0.51 - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Thanks, Mark! - Micah Wittman

Thanks Spidra! - Micah Wittman

0.95 (1520/1604) - it's 2+ months later, and my ratio flipped (more Likes by .05) - Micah Wittman

.7 (1204/1724) - before this comment at least. - Rachel Lea Fox

Thanks, Rachel! - Micah Wittman

3.46 (3665/1057) before this comment and like. - Kevin Fox

Thanks, Kevin. 3+ is quite the comment on your commenting activities :) - Micah Wittman

I've got stuff to say. - Kevin Fox

3.98 (900/226) - Richard Lawler

1.02 (3538/3484) for sofarsofarshaun - Micah Wittman

.34 (600/1747, not counting this comment) - Michael Hocter

Thank you, Siavash and Michael - Micah Wittman

.52 overall, but .68 this week. - Rebecca

Nice, thanks Rebecca. - Micah Wittman

1.31 - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

0.56 - imabonehead

Rah and imabonehead - rock on! (Richard too!) - Micah Wittman

0.16 - Anne Bouey

1.39 - jcunwired

4.62 (287/62) -- Yikes! I'm chatty. - Ted Roden

Thank you kindly, Anne, jcunwired and Ted. - Micah Wittman

2.63 - Bryce, Low in Sodium

Thanks for joining in, Bryce. - Micah Wittman

.15 all time, .13 this week. - Alix Whitmire

.52 - David HC Soul

Thank you, Alix and David! (and Alix, you're tied with Siavash for the Highest Like ratio. Wow). - Micah Wittman

2.94 - j1m

Thank you, j1m. Ok, I'm gonna roll this up into a csv and call it a night. - Micah Wittman

CSV_B: 0.95,0.7,3.46,3.98,1.02,0.15,0.34,0.52,1.31,0.56,0.16,1.39,4.62,2.63,0.15,0.52,2.94 - Micah Wittman

this week = 0.45%, alltime = 6.43% - chaz2b

CSV_B Mean: 1.49 (previous mean for CVS_A: 1.27) - Micah Wittman

Of course the numbers can easily lie, but I'm gonna say it anyway: "We're getting more conversational, people!" - Micah Wittman

0.49 (493/988) - Bluesun 2600

816 / 2502 = 0.326139089 overall | 50 / 233 = 0.214592275 this week I like much more than I comment. (maths via google) - Chris Loft

3026/5013 = 0.6036 - Roger Chen

0.107 probably the lowest here - Nicholas James

chaz2b, Bluesun 2600, Roger, Nicholas — thank you! - Micah Wittman

.76 - jamar78

5.25 but I don't know what this *means, yet. maybe I'm just stingy with my "likes" compared to others? - Marg Uerite

Thanks jamar78 and Marg! - Micah Wittman

A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology.... - David HC Soul

My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39 - David HC Soul

*bump* - Micah Wittman

1.26 (2965/2346) - Micah Wittman

1.37 - Glen Campbell, B.A.

1.74 - ♥patricia♥

Thanks, Glen and pea! - Micah Wittman

Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others). - Micah Wittman

.38 - Ryan Dadey

Ryan, I have to say, that's one high caliber ratio ;) - Micah Wittman

An update it's .44 which is an improvement from .36 - Michael Fidler

2.00 - Anthony Citrano

0.97 - Willem (@wim66) ☠

1.5 exactly - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

2.94 1040/354 I have likes set to post to twitter automatically, so I'm careful with them. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

0.85 - Steven Perez

0.73 up from 0.66 on Jan 08 - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

0.37 for the week past, 0.45 on the whole. - Parth Awasthi

Michael, Anthony, Ahsan, guruvan Steven, sıɹɥɔ and Parth - thanks for dropping in your stats! - Micah Wittman

5.81 i'm not using it as does everyone else here. that is fer sure. - Marg Uerite

But remember, the comment counts also includes comments imported from other services. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Ahsan, huh, I'd never considered that. - Micah Wittman

17942/30571=.59 - Alex Scoble

Alex, thank you, sir. - Micah Wittman

ALmost 2:1 exactly. - Amani

Much obliged, Amani. - Micah Wittman

3062/5777 you do the maths. - Will Higgins™

.53 (3062/5777) for Will Higgins #math-on-demand-services - Micah Wittman

Thank you, amin/gnu - Micah Wittman

2671/12333=.21 - Darren Heydon

7.16 - Ken Sheppardson

*bump* (SEE ALSO http://friendfeed.com/jungleg... ) - Micah Wittman

1.45 (4374/3026) - Micah Wittman

1.73 - Aron Michalski

0.92 now. I think the movie reviews have been getting me closer to a 1 to 1 ratio. - Steven Perez

0.77 - Mathew A. Koeneker

Steven, yep, you were a 0.85 in April. - Micah Wittman

2.10 now ... - Amani

0.97 now. - Eric Johnson

Amani, so your comments have climbed a bit. - Micah Wittman

Thanks, Eric. - Micah Wittman

yes, but i am not consciously "not liking" things - Amani from IM

Probably, just chattier then :) - Micah Wittman

I'm down from 7.16 to 6.94 :-) - Ken Sheppardson

the live NBA playoff threads have ALOT to do with it. - Amani from IM

Ken, the FCC may be interested to explore how your "I'm down" may be offensively self-deprecating ;) - Micah Wittman

.56 eeep, must try harder - Threepwood

4.52. I don't bother to like things I've commented on, since commenting already flags it as interesting. - Andy Bakun

0.46 (1698/3638) - Glenn Slaven

Threepwood, Andy, Glenn - thanks (Andy, that's my mo too; then I'll Like if it warrants a "double vote"). - Micah Wittman

1.31 (4,471/3,401) - Karoli

Thanks, Karoli. And the both of us have a _very_ similar ratio and absolute numbers. wow. - Micah Wittman

1.15 ! Noisy... need more liking, I guess. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

Thanks, Ryo! - Micah Wittman

Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy> - Andy Bold

Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81) - Micah Wittman

In March the Mean was: 1.49 - Micah Wittman

1.021276595744680851063829787234042553191489361702127659... via Wolfram Alpha - tom murphy

Thanks, tom. And though a bit verbose, your friend Wolfram is resourceful :D - Micah Wittman

0.55 (254/444) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Thank you, Willem. - Micah Wittman

In April you were 0.97, so you're liking more / commenting less. - Micah Wittman

1.88 (779/414) - Ton Zijp

Thanks, Ton. - Micah Wittman

0.43 (3597/8305). - Parth Awasthi

0.74 (1970/2667) - Scott of Two Countries

And thank you Parth, Scott. - Micah Wittman

Parth, compared to your April numbers, you've been consistent. - Micah Wittman

2.12 is my ratio. - Rick Cogley

Thanks, Rick! - Micah Wittman

Np Micah. What is that photo? - Rick Cogley

.54 (4148/7674) Updated! - Michael Fidler

Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :) - Micah Wittman

Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!) - Micah Wittman

1.82 from 798 comments / 438 likes - David Damore

Thanks, nivé and David! - Micah Wittman

2027/1594 = 1.27 - Brome

0.58 - Marc Dong

2.9 (3,242/1,116) mhhh.. time to straighten my use of FF a bit.. thanks for this entry - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Brome, Marc and Thierry - thank you! - Micah Wittman

Thierry - yeah, 2.9 is fairly high - got to pick the pace on like side :) [but hey, whatever works for you is fine] - Micah Wittman

Stats Update: Last time I commented here my comment to like ratio was 0.107 it's increased to 0.645 ;) - Nicholas James

1.91 - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Thank you Nicholas and MiniMage! - Micah Wittman

Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas. - Micah Wittman

.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good! - Michael Fidler

1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me. - Micah Wittman

It's that time again. - Micah Wittman

.50 - Laura B.

Thanks, Laura! (you're a 50-caliber gal!) - Micah Wittman

0.64 - Imabug

Thank you, Imabug. - Micah Wittman

4.67 (I'm greedy :p) - directeur

0.99 - Steven Perez

About 1:2 comment to likes at this time - RAPatton from iPod

1.06 - Jim Hearts FF

.81 - Brent - Long Live Rock

.63 - metalerik

Thanks Imabug, directeur, Steven, RAPatton, Jim, Brent and metalerik! - Micah Wittman

.83 - Jimminy

0.78 - Pete Delucchi

.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments. - Bren, Photophobe

.11 - The Bohemian Penguin

And thank you Jimminy, Pete, Bren and Penguin! - Micah Wittman

2.47 as of right now. - Jonas, Leper of FF

Micah, are you doing something with these numbers? If so sounds interesting. - Jimminy

0.58 - James (!?)

Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it. - Micah Wittman

Jonas, James and Kurt - thanks you! - Micah Wittman

You're welcome. I hope the results do some good. :-) - James (!?)

.31. I have almost 4 times as many likes as comments. - edythe

.86 - Eric Logan

Thank you edythe and Eric! - Micah Wittman

195/245 makes 0.8 rounded not including this one which would be 196/245 making 0.8 unrounded, - tom murphy

Thanks, Tom. - Micah Wittman

1.98 (588/297) - Bryan Zirkel

1.67 (19,550/11,684) - Mitchell Tsai

1:2 - Jeff P. Henderson

Bryan, Mitchell and Jeff P. - thanks, guys! - Micah Wittman

1.18 - it's always been close to 1, since day one, for some reason. - Laura Norvig

Wow, Penguin is a prolific liker! - Laura Norvig

2.67 (875/328) - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF

Thank you, Nathalie! - Micah Wittman

2.18 - Spidra Webster

1.29 - Mark Jepsen

Thanks, Spidra and Mark! - Micah Wittman

0.49 - Jammy Lee

0.825 - Mathew A. Koeneker

Jammy and Mathew, thank you very much. - Micah Wittman

2.16 - SuezanneC Baskerville

I don't know I just like that picture - Brian Hendrickson

.40 - Ben Hanten

Mine was exactly 2:1 about a week ago. Did a screenshot when I had 2,000 comments and 1,000 likes. - Joe.... from iPod

SuezanneC, Brian, B E N and Joe - thank you all very much! - Micah Wittman

Joe, it's like see the odometer click through a nice round number - it's just inexplicably engaging. :) - Micah Wittman

1.40, nearly the square root of two. - Vezquex: God of FF

0.58 - Andy Bold

Thanks, Raphael and Andy! - Micah Wittman

1.15 (6777/5873) - JA Castillo

12.23 (844 / 69 ) I guess I take my likes seriously ;) - Chris Myles

1.63 - Serkan Mutlu

Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!! - Chris Myles

.87 - Nine

Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine! - Micah Wittman

0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!) - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments).. - Chris Myles

1.78 (8529/4782) - Micah Wittman

Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever. - Micah Wittman

0.9009 (6055/6721) - Jason Huebel

OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF? - Jason Huebel

I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience. - Micah Wittman

So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is. - Jason Huebel

Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too. - Jason Huebel

383/372 - ashish

'Just clicking "Like" seems too easy' — Jason, that's because you're from the Chatty-ite tribe :) - Micah Wittman

Thanks, ashish. - Micah Wittman

wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff) - chaz2b

chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered? - Micah Wittman

When I first saw this: 1.91 Sept 28: 1.94 - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

536 comments in the last month has me at .8736...still creeping toward 1.00 - Bren, Photophobe

.64 - Shannon Jiménez

Thanks, MiniMage (2x participant!), Bren (3x!) and Shannon (your inaugural visit!) - Micah Wittman

Thank you, SustainedEuphoria. - Micah Wittman

I 'liked" this to change my ratio! (1.22 1040/850) - Mark Jepsen

Thanks, Mark. - Micah Wittman

1.45 - Brett Kelly

Thanks, Brett :) - Micah Wittman

5.67 all time. Second highest ratio on here. Woot! I love to talk. - Kevin L

0.125, I need to talk more ;) - mridul

Thank you both, Kevin and mridul (the two of you balance it each well :) - Micah Wittman

1.80 (10,189 / 5,666) [compared to Likes, my Comments still continue to rise] - Micah Wittman

1.02 (10323/10161) - Bren, Photophobe

.5666 currently (30,084/53,093) - Alex Scoble

Thanks, Bren. - Micah Wittman

Thank you, Alex :) - Micah Wittman

that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while... - Bren, Photophobe

Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically. - Micah Wittman

true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better. - Bren, Photophobe

1.8 - Sarah is Novembery

4.26? - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Thanks, Sarah, Tutivillus. - Micah Wittman

1.19 - Joe Bonner

Micah this is like 11 months ago, I see you have almost doubled your rate. lets make a graph for everybody now, :) - Mahmood Padura

Quick, someone write a greasemonkey script to inline some google charts! (tap-tap-tap...wut? don't look at me ;) - Micah Wittman

Thanks, Joe. And you thank you, Mahmood :) - Micah Wittman

1.66 - Glen Campbell, B.A.

Thanks, Glen! Your comments in the ratio have gone up too. - Micah Wittman

1.70 (it was 1.41 on Jan 8) - WorldofHiglet

WorldofHiglet, thank you :) The comments are strong in this one. - Micah Wittman

0.64 (2,589/4,051) - Chieze Okoye

0.58 - Thomas Page

Chieze and Thomas - thank you! - Micah Wittman

*bumpage* - Micah Wittman

So, Micah, we never did find out what you were doing with this info.... - WorldofHiglet

2.21 (2,812/1,275) - Rene Wirtz

0.27 (5637/20234) - I only see a couple people lower than me. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

4.06 (747/184) - Jan Ole Peek

WoH, World Domination. - Micah Wittman

Rene, John and Jan - thank you, all three! :) - Micah Wittman

1.94 - آقای تلخک

2.74 (4,446 / 12,204) - J. Abdul-Qahhar

0.97 (6,694/6,929) - Jimminy

Thank you J., Jimminy and آقای تلخک :) - Micah Wittman

2.23 - Paola Bonomo

0.71 (8,200/11,551) updated - Michael Fidler

0.67 - Artemko

J. Abdul-Qahhar LOL 4,446 / 12,204 = 0.36 - Artemko

0.03 (284 / 10378)! - Daniel Rowley

Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel! - Micah Wittman

1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments. - Christopher Harley

*thanks Christopher thoroughly* - Micah Wittman

I think it's been that way for a while. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

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It has been wildly inconsistent lately. Sometimes it is right on time, other times there is a major delay. - Rob Diana

Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar

it's weird that twitter signed a deal to give access to google and bing, but friendfeed seems to have lost that deal. - gregory

Paul or Bret: what is the latest status please? - Steve Gillmor

The latest status? They're busy working valiantly on mincing the glory of their FriendFeed UI into the horror show that is Zuckerberg's Facebook UI. - Akiva Moskovitz

from here to Twitter things are going live - Johni Fisher

It was mentioned previously as being an issue with Twitter. They are polling now. - Louis Gray

what? It's OK now? Or is it true that "Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar" - - Steve Gillmor

I am trying to locate the conversation where he said this. But it's clear that Twitter is not giving FF the firehose for *some* reason. And they still aren't. - Jorge Escobar

"The Twitter issue is a separate problem Jorge -- our realtime feed from them is gone, but we hope to get it restored soon. - Paul Buchheit" on Oct 26, 2009 http://friendfeed.com/paul... - Micah Wittman

Parse that as you will. - Micah Wittman

Awesome Micah, I was going nuts for a while. So without going to speculation what do you make of "Twitter's realtime feed from them is gone"? Is it scalability issues? But Google and Bing have no problems? - Jorge Escobar

It's speculation, but I think it's Twitter saying "Ooopsy, now how did that happen? We'll put Top Men on it." and a Friendfeed Alum with "we hope to get it restored" as technically true, but belying that they know or suspect it's a TWTR business decision dragging-of-the-feet and not merely technical. But this can all be cleared up with an official statement :) Maybe I missed it - if so I apologize for wild speculation. - Micah Wittman

Thanx Micah, Jorge. We'll wait for the update from Paul or Bret. - Steve Gillmor

Sounds good :) - Micah Wittman

I wasn't seeing updates from Twitter to Friendfeed for 12 hours, but a manual refresh works ok. It is interesting to note the differences in 'real time' for Friendfeed, Twitter and FaceBook they all behave differently - only one of them seems to be 'real' real time -\ - Chris Loft

That is the truth. You have about 140 characters to entice me. That's all. Brings new meaning to reverse pyramid writing! - Lori Reed

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I have replaced all my reading with Twitter, sorry. (Corrected that for you. RSS = Twitter...same difference) - Scott Carmichael

I've secretly replaced all of Robert's RSS reading with Folger's crystals. - Stephen Mack

Until it's time for you to read bedtime stories to RSS? :) - joey

Stephen Roflol! choking.... - Melanie Reed

That's funny, he only reads half a feed at home. - Stephen Mack

Feel free to follow me. This thread could get messy. :-) #whatsyoururl - Kol Tregaskes

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http://twitter.com/zsafwan - zsafwan 

http://twitter.com/kentonsmith - Kenton

http://twitter.com/amirsp - ДMIROVSKY☂امیروفسکی

http://twitter.com/kevinaw... - Kevin Whalen

http://twitter.com/karnatos - Dean "Karnatos" Michaud

http://twitter.com/kmohr25 - Kevin Mohr

http://twitter.com/Leech - Leandro Ardissone ⍨ from IM

http://twitter.com/vrsj - Vaughn

http://twitter.com/contz - Andrea Contino

http://twitter.com/mastercko - Chieze Okoye

Sorry I had to delete the first post of this, so apologises for the few that posted their URLs on that one. - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/inkedmn - Brett Kelly

http://twitter.com/jcunwired I could use some more followers too. I hope you folks aren't bots! :) - jcunwired

Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/nencetti - Mike Nencetti

http://twitter.com/niczak -- I tweet about the following: Programming, databases, parenting, living & enjoying life, and involvement in lots of local activities here in Northern Nevada. - Nicholas Kreidberg

Thanks, Nicholas. - Kol Tregaskes

Well I'll still be on Twitter once FF is integrated into FB. Join me on Twitter? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/Convers... - Valeria Maltoni

http://twitter.com/chaz2b my posts start here for what i post on twitter - chaz2b

http://www.twitter.com/rbonini - Roberto Bonini

you rock, Kol! Good community building here. - Valeria Maltoni

http://twitter.com/andrewroche - politics and random stuff (a lot of it from here funnily enough). - Andrew Roche

I have most of you (didn't have Valeria for some reason, but just added), mine is http://twitter.com/jungleg -- see you on the other side ;) - Jorge Escobar

http://twitter.com/mjdat - Müjdat Korkmaz

Find me at http://twitter.com/andrued... and my news updates at http://twitter.com/gearlive - Andru Edwards

http://www.twitter.com/jimgold... - photography and social media - Jim Goldstein

http://twitter.com/magicofpi - you might see a lot of ff.im links there, but I suppose that'll change soon... - Ryan - @magicofpi

http://twitter.com/jwang392 - web design, iphone app development, hawaii events - John Wang

http://twitter.com/onWave - I post links from a useful Twitter tool I made... and sometimes mundane stuff... - Gus

http://twitter.com/outsanity -

http://twitter.com/fcbosa - social media, blogging, design, inspiration. - Oğuz Serdar

http://twitter.com/seckoa - I enjoy getting new followers - Seckoa from iPod

http://twitter.com/holgr :-) - Holger Eilhard

Thanks guys. - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/OnuRC :) - OnuRC

http://twitter.com/dendroica - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

http://twitter.com/Chronotope - Mostly I tweet about tech stuff and news local to the Northern Virgina area. I also touch on video games and get some blipping in. - Aram Zucker-Scharff

http://twitter.com/kandeezie - randomness and nerdy gadget/tech love. :-p - Kandeezie

http://twitter.com/lighter... and http://twitter.com/chrisba... - Chris Baskind

http://twitter.com/outofmyarse - outofmyarse

http://twitter.com/gabediaz - Design, development, WordPress and all things in between. - Gabe Diaz

http://twitter.com/antonta... - Anton Tanderup

http://twitter.com/bakere19 - Ethan

http://www.twitter.com/puffadd... I tweet about ninjas lol. - Jason

http://Twitter.com/SusanBeebe and http://Twitter.com/SMC_Roc... - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

http://www.twitter.com/banane - anna sauce

I basically tweet politics at http://Twitter.com/hopechat; i follow discussions on books, gardening and general stuff on http://Twitter.com/ruthdfw; grantwriting and freelancing on http://Twitter.com/words101 and for anything related to Dallas and surrounding cities it is http://Twitter.com/NDGEditor - R. Ferguson

http://twitter.com/movieguyjon - I say weird shit, bitch at random times, and will say more weird shit. Occasionally I'll post fun things too, with a smidgeon of inane. :P - Jon, the Beartato of FF

http://www.twitter.com/rutgerb... tweet about my daily life (aka status updates), tech and photography. - Rutger Blom from iPhone

Pretty clever way to work in a plug for your timeline.. I like your style, Kol ;) - Brad McCrorey

http://twitter.com/3GFalcon - Gaith

Http://Twitter.com/Polizeros cleantech, the economy, leftwing politics - Bob Morris (polizeros) from iPhone

http://twitter.com/sonergonul Feel like a star. - ★ Soner Gönül

Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/niron (isn't it obvious?) - Nir Ben Yona

https://twitter.com/AtmosTrio - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

http://twitter.com/praveen... - Praveen Vasudev

http://twitter.com/feeniks ... anything that comes to mind at that particular moment :) - Bhowmik Shah

http://twitter.com/dennis_... (don't forget the underscore) What do I tweet about? Tech, fiction, art, music, politics, comics, and of course my fiction. Occasionally some Seattle or Bremerton related stuff. I also have TwitterFeed tweet my blogs, and I always tweet from Flickr. - Dennis Jernberg

http://twitter.com/alphaxion and http://twitter.com/vertica... - alphaxion

http://twitter.com/patrozoo - Patrik Johansson from Android

http://twitter.com/nzbuu - James Myatt

http://twitter.com/picforme - Malevi4

http://twitter.com/marcoda... Twitting about Communications, Marketing and something about myself :) - Marco Dal Pozzo

http://twitter.com/tofu916 I tweet about black people and I use a lot of foul language. then I repent. follow mi! :) - Tofu De la Moore from BuddyFeed

http://twitter.com/hoof I tweet a lot in Dutch, about design, photoshop, 3d and everyday life. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

http://twitter.com/wordsfo... - I actually respond to people to want to chat with me ;-) - Jannifer @wordsforliving

http://twitter.com/icetiger - Kim

http://twitter.com/rovideoblog - Laurentiu

http://twitter.com/harryma... - Harry Mahardhika

http://twitter.com/alexgamela i tweet about media and journalism, and sometimes silly stuff. also in portuguese. - Alexandre Gamela from twhirl

http://www.twitter.com/dcfemel... - Shevonne

http://twitter.com/glenc but I have to warn you, I stopped following people on Twitter a while ago. I have about 300 subscription notices (unread) in my email. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

http://twitter.com/audiocloud - Cloud

i post about film and television editing/post production, I'm a bit of a gadget nerd, and i like anything funny on the web. i love followers... http://twitter.com/toddzelin - Todd Zelin

I'm sure you're all interesting but following 6,000 is my limit. ; ) - Liz

http://twitter.com/cgranier - I tweet about many things -usually tech-oriented, reply to everyone who @'s me, and have lately been posting a lot about #FreeMediaVE, bringing attention to the struggle against communism in Venezuela. Feel free to follow me. @ me for a quick follow back. No spammers please. - Carlos Granier-Phelps

Thank you all. I hope at least some follow me back else I'll hit my follower limit soon. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/fruchter - Mike Fruchter

http://twitter.com/needcaf... - clarke thomas

http://twitter.com/may_gun My music career, interaction with ppl, The Guild, Wiggly Wigglers. - Spidra Webster

http://twitter.com/casschin - I mostly post up funny/odd web gems and nerdy tech news. Occasionally, I tweet what I eat. - Cassidy

http://identi.ca/andyc Microblog about all sorts but mainly OMB and how much I dislike inferior legacy services. No names, no packdrill. - Andy C

http://twitter.com/Felter i tweet about all, but i don't retweet my FF message. From twitter to FF only. if you follow me in FF, you can read my tweet. - Felter Roberto from twhirl

http://twitter.com/abrudtkuhl - web strategy & internet marketing + random stuff - andy brudtkuhl

twitter.com/icetiger - Kim

twitter.com/andi1984 - elearning, web 2.0 - Andreas S.

twitter.com/thatpj I tweet about film, politics, and sports. - PJ Edwards

http://www.twitter.com/jbschro... - everything. mostly tech - Johnny

http://twitter.com/islanddog Tech, Gaming, and everything in between - Spencer

http://twitter.com/cacarr - Tech, Cognitive Science - Christopher A Carr

http://twitter.com/lizaspe... #whatsyoururl - Liza

http://twitter.com/Frannina #whatsyoururl - Fran

http://twitter.com/livepaola (bilingual, in Italian and English) - Paola Bonomo

http://twitter.com/ozuckan, trilingual, in Turkish, in English, in French, all sort... - Ozgur Uckan

http://twitter.com/bsak - barbarars

Thanks again. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/antifreeze Obviously. - Seth Blank

http://twitter.com/oceangray - Muhammet K. (oceangray)

Twitter.com/mathewballard and I tweet mostly about graphic and web design. - Mathew™ one of a kind from iPhone

http://twitter.com/sidmitra #hack,#hackday, and tech/geek in general. - Siddharth Mitra from twhirl

http://twitter.com/PhilBaumann - I'll tweet about anything stimulating, contentious or jackassy. - phil baumann

http://twitter.com/alejandroz and I tweet about...everything. - Alejandro

http://twitter.com/victorgodot - diego morelli

You know, you could have just started feeding in your tweets here and achieved the same, right? Or would that have been too subtle? - Mr. Gunn

http://twitter.com/glitterpoet Don't mean to offend but it's usually not religious. Porn, drinking,dancing, music,makeup....I still do healing work. I just don't talk about it much anymore. - Gabrielle V

My twitter stream is the typical... random thought bubbles, food porn pics, and shared items relating to technology, politics, and $$$. http://twitter.com/sean808080 is where you find me. Oh and I like unicorns and fairy dust. - sean808080

@fossilhuntress or fossilmaitress (I kept getting my email cracked and getting locked out hence the duplicate); all content, linked to digg, delicious... mostly science, paleo and random banter... - Fossil Huntress

http://twitter.com/for4saken - Marcos

http://twitter.com/hrn - Kupa Kralı ツ

http://twitter.com/joeygibson - I tweet about WDW, Java, Groovy, Scala, iPhone, politics, etc. I'm loads of fun. :-) - Joey Gibson

http://twitter.com/burak - I tweet about technology, gadgets, stuff that matters - Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu

http://twitter.com/super_g... I tweet about bathroom trips, stupidity and cougar sightings - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Fossil, it's @fossilhuntress http://twitter.com/fossilh... The other one doesn't exist. - Kol Tregaskes

It's @bookhling for me. I usually tweet about DIYBio, computers, books, and what I ate for dinner. :) - Sung W. Lim

@JacquesMuffin and I tweet mostly about music. - Olivier de Villardi

http://twitter.com/RonaldTi - Ronald

http://twitter.com/KDii - K.D.

http://twitter.com/satanwyj 中文用户 :) - Roger.Wei

http://twitter.com/lachmir I tweet about dumb stuff - Bicentennial (Franc)

Thanks everyone. - Kol Tregaskes

I have ceased being a twitter user since they are such twats (management) - Richard A.

http://twitter.com/pixum - Baard @ Pixum

http://twitter.com/erier2003 - I write about technology, journalism, and Star Wars. But mostly Star Wars. :) - Eric Geller

I twit at http://twitter.com/alfpace on webapps technology cool things - Alfonso Pace from iPhone

http://twitter.com/patrozoo - Patrik Johansson

http://www.twitter.com/charlie... - Charlie Anzman

http://www.twitter.com/victorg... - diego morelli

http://www.twitter.com/rogersd... - Chris Rogers

http://twitter.com/Morgaine - Irma Vermaat

http://twitter.com/sonergonul Of course ;) - ★ Soner Gönül

Maybe this is a good time to 'reactivate' this thread. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Don't forget the other lists can be found at the hashtag: #whatsyoururl - Kol Tregaskes

http://twitter.com/gar1n :) - Garin Kilpatrick

@ffcode - ffcode

http://twitter.com/husseinerol - Hussein EROL

http://twitter.com/brexians all about #travel #photography #sci-fi #space and #weird! join and joy - Demetrios the Traveller

http://twitter.com/wangyip - mostly stuff from FF (tech, startups, web apps, sometimes things about math, medicine, fitness) - I've followed a few here on tech stuff (Edit: Thanks Kol for the thread) - Wang Yip

http://twitter.com/JacopKane #web #common #art #life #music - Furkan Tunalı

http://twitter.com/nickhum... #tech #life #randomobservations #bitsofphilosophy #somezenfromtimetotime - Nick Humphries

http://twitter.com/eoghann... - I post sci-fi news (tv, movies, books or comics I'm probably a fan of it), some tech stuff and the occasional round of venting. - Eoghann Irving

http://twitter.com/surriento - Keiko Yamada

http://twitter.com/Michael... - TrafficBug

I have Twitter lists now, and I've started one up for FriendFeeders: http://twitter.com/dennis_...; if you want me to add you to it, @-mention me at http://twitter.com/dennis_.... - Dennis Jernberg

http://twitter.com/eemorni... - Moved to Facebook

http://twitter.com/jachitita - Lia Bianco

http://twitter.com/mekkar - Mekkar

Thanks everyone! - Kol Tregaskes

Just followed you. Btw, mine's - http://twitter.com/jaypee - JP Habaradas

http://twitter.com/DavidHolmes - Focusing on Internet music, Open Content, and the Social Web. I use lists to group/filter the people I follow. - David Holmes

In our day we had our Home phone and it was private if you could close the door - paul mooney

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this is our day and there are other alternatives now - Steve Gillmor

In our day you could have an affair and your GPS coordinates couldn't be traced - Francine Hardaway

maybe you could - Steve Gillmor

Steve - Fabulous post! I love the deep level of investigation, research and analysis in this well-thought out and artfully crafted piece. Well done my friend! (Francine LOL) - Susan Beebe

are you sure - what happens when google traverses the list from outside of your social graph - block avoided - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

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Good to see that blocking the list maker removes you from the list. Should still be able to opt out of lists - Mark Trapp

Yes, I'm sure. Blocking completely removes you from the list. Mark: you can opt out of lists. Just block the lists people put you on. - Robert Scoble

FTR I wasn't attacking them. That link comes from Mark Trapp. It's an interesting conversation though. Also cool that you can block a list and take yourself out of it. - Jesse Stay

Robert, you can't block lists. You can block people who created lists, which by extension, removes you from the list. That doesn't help people who want to opt out of a list but not block the list creator; I point this out in my post about not wanting to be in technology lists for example. Beyond that, the core issue is that Twitter is now allowing other users to modify your profile... more... - Mark Trapp

I also don't understand why it's lame - Mark has some valid points. - Jesse Stay

FWIW Facebook has this with photo tagging - Twitter should do something similar. If you're "tagged" in a photo or video, you can immediately remove the tag. You can also set privacy preferences as to who can see tagged photos/videos of you (based on list). - Jesse Stay

That's really all that's required, Jesse: I think it's a simple security/privacy consideration that shouldn't change the functionality of lists. Right now, however, the functionality makes a privacy assumption that doesn't exist anywhere else in Twitter, and people ought to know that or Twitter needs to fix it. - Mark Trapp

And thus begins privacy controls in Twitter, and thus starts Twitter's journey towards competing with Facebook. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse - have the battle with privacy is not the automated control you put in but the Human Element. If you are that concerned about privacy control it yourself - Rob Cairns

Rob, I'm not sure where I said anything about automation - Jesse Stay

Mark, I'm not really seeing your argument here, it sounds a bit paranoid. If someone puts you on a benign list you don't want to be on for some reason, just contact the list creator. If they fail to comply with a polite request, they are NOT your friend and you just block them. Why would you feel the need to still follow them? If someone puts you on a malevolent list of some sort... more... - Alex Schleber

BTW, I just scoured Scoble's first few hundred "listed" entries (of his current 1400+), and the most egregious terms I could find were "echochamber", "tech freak", and "scobleitis" :) Hardly slander/libel material. And you know someone out there isn't big on Robert, but I doubt they will bother to add him to a negative list. They just blocked him early on... - Alex Schleber

Mark: have you even tried this? Steve Gillmor and I have. If I block a list's owner it removes me from all of his lists. - Robert Scoble

which I have. he's so blocked. Check Tech Pundits. I'm not there. - Steve Gillmor

Robert: you said repeatedly you can block a list. I said you can't: you can only block a list creator, which subsequently blocks any list they created. Now you're saying the exact same thing I said. There's a difference I don't think you're picking up on: I want to be able to remove myself from lists, not block people. If I have a friend who's decided to categorize me as "technology" and I don't want to be in that list, my only recourse is to block my friend. That's not ideal at all. - Mark Trapp

On top of the fact that blocking is reactive, not preventative. I have to realize I'm in a list before I can take action to remove myself from it. I don't want to be part of any technology related lists, yet I have to wait until someone tags me as such before I can block that person to remove myself from it. Why aren't lists opt-in, especially considering the list memberships show up on my profile? I have no control over a major part of my profile, which is unlike any other part of Twitter. - Mark Trapp

At the very least, list shouldn't be part of my profile (since I can't control, directly, what lists I'm apart of) and I should be able to remove myself from a list without blocking the list creator. I don't see how that's unreasonable or the argument against having those two pieces of functionality. - Mark Trapp

One of the bigger problems I have with sites like Facebook is that I have no control over how others see my public profile (right now you'll prob see 16+ yr old girls asking you to contact them, surrounding my profile. I'm happily married, have 4 kids. Mark has a point. It's hard to maintain a personal brand on the web, and others that can classify you (wrongly) won't help. Then again Twitter is 90% bots so I don't think many will notice - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: actually Twitter isn't 90% bots. Just 50%. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander, have you tried privacy settings in Facebook? That's why you use Facebook - it gives you that control. (I thought this conversation was about Twitter) (confused) - Jesse Stay

Robert, I'm suspecting you are a bot too. Can we do a turing test right now to see :-) - Alexander van Elsas

Jesse, I tried. But I couldn't find that switch that protected me from Facebook themselves. So I gave up. - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: I'm a bot with awesome voice recognition. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander - protected you from Facebook themselves? It's called your own blog. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I just looked you up on Facebook. I saw a "buy this cheap house now, color your picture into a cartoon, and a dental advertisement. What does that say about you? Are you a cheap cartoon real-estate dentist, or are you a cool web 2.0 dude? - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander where are you seeing this? Are you looking at http://facebook.com/stay? - Jesse Stay

search: Jesse stay - Alexander van Elsas

The thing is Jesse, you can set settings any way you want, but Facebook has an advertisement based model. So they'll display ads, usually incredibly badly targeted, next to your profile. And there is nothing that prevents them from doing that. If I use Facebook to connect to people I care about, then I do not want to be associated with badly targeted ads (or any ads for that matter) - Alexander van Elsas

BTW, it took me 2 screen refreshes to see a beautiful, but way too young girl next to your profile ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander, not sure that has anything to do with Twitter or Facebook then - the only place you're completely safe from that stuff is your own blog. BTW, click on the profile - of course you're going to see non-related info next to my name in a search. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, don't agree. Facebook is for connecting with friends (or business partners). Important in your social interactions. So if Facebook serves badly targeted ads next to your profile it sucks. Especially on the search page, which is the most likely place people that are looking for you will find you! Their business model makes this happen. And their privacy settings only relate to your privacy towards other users, not towards Facebook. They own it all. Sorry for the hijack, will stop now. - Alexander van Elsas

Still not sure what you're arguing Alexander. I've never had trouble finding close friends and family. Your results will get much more accurate when those friends are already friends of other friends of yours, which is usually the case of how I find people on Facebook. If not, just Google them - those profiles are indexable for at least their names. - Jesse Stay

Your profile is the first that comes up here: http://www.google.com/search... - Jesse Stay

Alexander, I agree. It seems to me that there are targeted ads (some I find really offensive as if they think they know what I want) but then there are also ads that are random: they are going to always go for the wide net with those. - Melanie Reed

Jesse, my point is that if someone searches and finds me on Facebook, Facebook will display ads on the search result page next to my profile. Those ads tend to be badly targeted. Let's say an old friend, business partner, or recruiter is looking for me and sees those ads of 16 yr old girls looking for some action next to my profile, what does that make them think about me? - Alexander van Elsas

That there are badly-placed ads just like everywhere else on Facebook next to your profile. What does this have to do with removing yourself from Twitter lists? - Jesse Stay

I mentioned it because I think I understand why Mark Trapp is questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter. It is a similar issue I think. If they incorrectly categorize or misplace me ('real-estate-heroes'), it affects how others will perceive me. (Hope I'm right Mark :-) ) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander I don't see the relation in that case - you can't remove yourself from Twitter search either so long as you have a Twitter account, and you can bet that will have ads in the very near future. What about Google, that places ads around your content? That's just the price for being on the web. What Mark's talking about is the actions of other users - how can I remove myself from a list some other user has placed me in? What you're talking about is a much bigger problem of the web as a whole. - Jesse Stay

Not looking to be right or wrong, just mentioned it. But hey, I haven't seen this much discussion action on FF in a while :-) - Alexander van Elsas

I'm talking about both things: someone else shouldn't be able to dictate, by implication or otherwise, how I'm perceived on my own profile. People can @ me, or say, on their own Twitter stream, that I'm a dick, or a puppy killer, or whatever, but that's attached to them, not to my profile. The way Twitter lists are implemented, they're attached to me rather than the person making the... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark I don't see how that has anything to do with search though (re: both things) - Jesse Stay

Alex said I was questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter, that if someone incorrectly categorizes me, it affects how people perceive me. You said that I'm talking about the actions of other users, and how can I remove myself from a list a user has placed me in. Both things are under the domain of my argument. I don't really care about search, unless, as Alex is suggesting, things I didn't consent to are being attached to my profile in a search result. - Mark Trapp

Mark, the latter is just a part of being on the web. Don't open an internet browser if you don't want that. You can't control that on Twitter or Facebook or Google or even your own site (assuming you allow ads) for that matter. It's crazy to think anyone can control how they show up in a search result in relation to ads. - Jesse Stay

Mark: you are wrong and the era of control is over (Steve Gillmor tells me that every show). Personally this is freaking awesome that you can see how people perceive me. And I can see it too. If I don't like how people are perceiving me, I can block them or I can contact them and try to change how they perceive me. But so far I've been looking at thousands of people and this system is REMARKABLY accurate. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: which is why I don't care about search, and it isn't part of my argument. Alex is making a stronger connection between the ads served and my profile, and if he's correct, then there's a problem. But I'm fine with him, not me, tackling that problem: I think the Twitter list implementation is problematic even without considering search implications. - Mark Trapp

Hey Robert, Just looked you up on Facebook and I saw a pretty sleezy looking girl next to you. Facebook decided to do that. You may not mind, but I think it sucks within the context of Facebook and what it should stand for (connecting friends). Facebook could easily decide not to present that advertisement, but they don't. And with that, they affect our personal brand. Jesse. Don't... more... - Alexander van Elsas

Robert: there's nothing particular about the Twitter list implementation that ensures that they are being used for actual perception, and not for other uses (I outlined two: spam and maliciousness). Very basic functionality could be added to lists to mitigate those, non legitimate, uses without changing the core functionality. For instance, your use case you just described, being able to see how others perceive you, does not require lists being public or attached to your profile. - Mark Trapp

Alexander your argument is ridiculous and I'm just going to leave it at that - this is getting repetitive. I see Robert's side of this on the lists - personally, it doesn't matter to me too much. In the end I could just report it to Twitter, but I always have the option of blocking. IMO if the individual isn't willing to remove me from one of their lists after respectfully asking them they deserve to be blocked. They're jerks anyway. - Jesse Stay

Mark: actually, having them attached to your profile and public means I can learn about how others view YOU. This is ABSOLUTELY HUGE in networking. But, yes, I can see why it would freak you out. You better be nice to all of us or else we'll put you on the nasty list. :-) - Robert Scoble

Jesse, 'your argument is ridiculous' is a good way of shutting me up. I won't say another word - Alexander van Elsas

@Robert: You said at #140Conf that Lists aren't spammable. I say they will be. What if scumbag spammers create multiple accounts and add all their usernames to various lists? So, your search for "pilots" could be yield a bunch of phony lists with fake pilots. You could eventually go through the trouble of blocking all those users to kill the lists, but a big waste of time for you. Others could be fooled. - Bryan Person

@vanelsas you are forgetting that Facebook is targeting those ads AT YOU. They primarily go by YOUR demographics and profile keywords from what I understand. Either way, people understand that ads are not the responsibility of the profile owner (most of them get completely ignored anyway). I really don't get your and Mark's fears about this stuff. Seems overblown. So what if someone says something you don't like about or near you? It's called life...deal with it. - Alex Schleber

@alex I am not asking you or anyone else to agree with me. Relax. - Alexander van Elsas from iPhone

Like anything, lists need to be taken with grain of salt. Most will be ego boosts and people trying to chum one another. I don't think lists will be a "game changer". Too subjective. - Kasey Skala

This is why lists is in beta, to work out the kinks and I'm sure if it becomes an issue, Twitter will add the ability to opt-out. Perhaps instead of opting out it would be better to use an opt-in format. If someone adds my name to a list I get a DM from Twitter asking me if I want to be on it and if I don't reply in the affirmative I'm not added to the list. - Hugh Briss

Having to block a person to come off their list is like having to report a newsletter as spam rather than simply unsubscribing. Not to mention it raises flags with Twitter's abuse people when someone is blocked by several people. - Rooker

They look awesome, A! Look at that contrast! - Derrick

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love love LOVE the portraits of the kidlets! - vicster

The night shots are on a tripod. Soo glad I brought it. Shot with the self timer too. - Adrian

These are great, but they do look much better on your monitor. - Anika

Thanks all! Now I really want to go back to downtown at night with a tripod. I did not know what I was doing when I shot these and was just getting used to the camera's viewfinder which is a bear in the dark. - Adrian

wtb a photoshop filter that does the same thing - Will Higgins™

Next time I'm in LA for general work drudgery, I'm gonna plan an extra day for a long-overdue downtown photo walk! - vicster

Vicster, we *love* shooting downtown. If you search my flickr photos for "downtown los angeles", I have thousands of photos! There's so much texture, so much awesome lighting. My favorite thing to do is to search Jason Burns 'Archiving LA' posts on LA Metblogs. It's neat to find shots taken 50, 60, 90 years ago and match them up to where I was. - Anika

Vicster, give us a shout when you do! - Adrian

Definitely! - vicster

Tri-X is awesome - Glen Campbell, B.A.

gorrrrrrr-geous. - edythe

i find downtown very inspiring, too, and want to get back down there soon. Adrian, the ones at night, you used a tripod as well as a flash? Or just a tripod? - edythe

i love your photos. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Thanks MO, Edythe and everyone else! Edythe, I used only a tripod, no flash. I tripped the shutter with the self-timer, and used a long exposure of probably a second, maybe less (didn't take notes). - Adrian

And just so you guys know, this is how the photos come off the film. There is very minimal processing I've done on just a few of these. And on those that I did, I actually had to *lower* the contrast to bring back some of the highlights, but that's it! - Adrian

LOVE. - cecily

Did you process these yourself? - cecily

Nope, lab done. I meant digital post-processing. - Adrian

oooh! You could do some truly delightfully evil and cool things with an off-camera flash and a long exposure! - vicster

That would be really cool in a very dark area with people moving about the frame. I've seen photos with the LED flashlights and other LED toys mixed with long exposures, but never with flash. - Adrian

Love the grain of Tri-X (not to mention the composition, subjects, etc.) - Steve is older than ever

Thanks Steve, I dig the grain too. I dig it a lot. :D I think my composition is a little off on some of these, but in general I'm ok. I need to get contacts again so I don't keep battling the viewfinder with my glasses. - Adrian

Damn Adrian those are really good man. - Joe

Dos muchos. :) - Derrick from Bookmarklet

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uhm. why are we resurrecting this? :D - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

also, ha. that made me laugh. those Five Guy's fries musta been laced with something. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

Los Cuatro Amigos! - Shevonne

This is awesome.... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

It is *still* the best photo EVER! - Anika

all the photos taken in the store are pretty damn hilarious and full of awesome. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

That's pea and my husband Adrian. My kid in the background. - Anika

And the ones you took of Derrick and Ilia on the tree still make me laugh. - Anika

One can't go wrong with photographing D or your kids. It's a guarantee that a good photo will come of it. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

We still have our bandannas too. I was just wearing my last week playing Kung-fu Panda with the kids. - Anika

I think i need to file a complaint against Captain Come Lately in the background trying to get his suit on. Doesn't he realize that we recognize him in the this picture? - Carlos Ayala

nevermind, its exponentially made up for here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Carlos Ayala

Carlos, I love Adrian in that photo you linked to. He was *bringing* it. - Anika

I have my headband tied around the doorknob in my bedroom. o_O - Derrick

An elite band on ninjas ready to bring the pain - RAPatton

The Team - johnpiercy

I still have my headband, packed away with all my other stuff but there was no way I wasn't gonna keep it. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

You went to Five Guys and didn't invite me?! - Benjamin Golub

What's that Benjamin? You don't pay attention to our posts? This meetup was in February! - Anika

:) - Benjamin Golub

bump bump... oooh oooh! - Adrian

Nice! :)) - Brandon

OMG AWESOME! <3 - Nicholas Kreidberg

hahaha - Melissa

Bump for the good times. - Mark Krynsky

Oh, man, the headbands! - Spidra Webster

oh shit - nakachi

You guys are lucky I didn't hang around for this...I got mad ninja skillz - Mark Krynsky

aaahh! i love this one! - edythe

I've just been busy with work and tons of projects (to pay the bills). :( How's socnet doing? - AJ Batac

Idem, working to pay the bills :) But still having some cool exchanges with some people about socnodes. Too bad the people who could help promote the idea and get more people involved (coding) didn't. Probably my fault, dunno - directeur

I've been tinkering with some things lately (using socnodes). But I don't have anything substantial at the moment. Which reminds me, I need to pull any updates you've made lately. :-) - Jason Huebel

Please do! I commited some changes since the 1st version. Really eager to see what you're working on, Jason! :) - directeur

OK, not just me then. I've been busy too. - Kol Tregaskes

I don't really care about stuff that's outside of my friend group. My friends are already pretty good at bringing me good stuff from outside the group anyway. - Robert Scoble

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will miss you. - Zee.

Zee: huh? - Robert Scoble

re "be right back" - Ken Sheppardson

wrong thread Zee? - Amit Nangare

This would get rid of all spam and bad actors. Or almost all, assuming you don't follow spammers. - Robert Scoble

Robert's initial first comment was "be right back", as a placeholder to keep the first slot while he composed his real first comment. Zee was responding to that - Ken Sheppardson

And it would bring back Techmeme-quality results because it would be based on people you follow and verify. Oh, and even better? The new list feature in Twitter will let you build different kinds of searches. - Robert Scoble

Ken: oh, I get it now. :-) - Robert Scoble

By the way, FriendFeed still has a better way to have conversations with your friends than Google Wave. :-) - Robert Scoble

cant wait to try google wave to tell how much it sucks - Muneeb Hussain

By the way, everyone complains about Twitter's spam but I get 100x more spam and more destructive spam on my blog's comments. - Robert Scoble

i cant comment till i actually try it .... comon google - Kashif Khan

I wish I had more invites to hand out. - Robert Scoble

I suspect most people are following few enough people on Twitter that they're capable of tracking "trends" themselves. - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble thank you for coming back - ffcode

Ken: absolutely not true. I'm watching nearly 5,000 people now and most of those are following thousands. - Robert Scoble

Robert: You're not "most people" - Ken Sheppardson

Ken: but the people I'm following ARE most people and most of them are following too many to keep track of trends themselves. - Robert Scoble

Most of the 5,000 people you're following are following thousands? I'd love to see the actual numbers behind that... you've done some analysis? - Ken Sheppardson

want a screenshot of your feed how it looks like? - ffcode

agreed - that type of search filtering would not only be useful, but the whole point of social network information sharing - using my friends as my distributed search engine for things I am interested in - Arthur Coleman

ffcode you want me to send you a screenshot? - Robert Scoble

Ken: informal analysis. I hand followed each of the people I'm following and looked at their following behavior. It is rare to find someone who is following fewer than 200 people now. At least amongst early adopter tech influencers that I like to follow. - Robert Scoble

Hm... There's an API call to retrieve a list of users a given user is following... would be simple to do a full-blown check.... - Ken Sheppardson

to build a list is also difficult as i have learned from the little experience i have had - ffcode

Ken: you're welcome to do that. - Robert Scoble

StatusSearch did a non-realtime version of this, but they appear to have scratched it at the moment. - Steve Farnworth

With viewpointapp.com; we are doing real time relevance and filtering within the people you follow. Search and trends sounds like a great idea. We will see what we can come up with! - Jay from ViewPoint

It would be interesting to see if the trends differ than the trends posted on the Twitter home page. I'm sure it would correlate to the size of your sample. - Mattb4rd

I might, Robert. Also, I hope the voice you hear in your head when you read my comments here isn't snide and snarky. I'm genuinely curious about this from a tech standpoint. :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I've wanted something like this for a long time. I guess I just assumed that it was obvious enough that someone (maybe even Twitter) would already be working on it. Maybe we'll take it up as a side project. - Ryan Kuder

I think this would be very useful. Twitter Times is going in this direction but right now it doesn't have search or trending topics. Their main focus now seems to be aggregating links/stories (techmeme-style) that are popular among the people that you're following. Here's my personalized Twitter Times page: http://www.twittertim.es/mdoeff - Mike Doeff

re trends for just the people you are following, it's right here: http://friendingtopics.com/ - Mike Lizun

What is being overlooked here and to which I believe I heard mention that Twitter was building in-house was the ability to trend against any topic/individual in the network. Perfect for gaining market feedback on competition outside of your network. - Gregory Hanson

Granted, it's a little off topic as the main point of the thread was for people you follow, but building an open trending app would broaden market appeal. - Gregory Hanson

That would be a good tool. But wouldn't it be cool if you got a pair of tech guys, built it out and returned to raise VC money yourself? :) Stop giving away your free ideas! - Louis Gray

I would love a Twitter-like Top 10 Trends (or 20 or 25) here on FF. I'd be curious to see the difference. Though I'm still pretty new here but people told me you can sort of simulate trends for yourself? - Christopher Annunziata from FreshFeed

Louis: I tried building new app at NPR last Friday and I decided I suck at it. :-) - Robert Scoble

Louis, hush! I want more free ideas. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

I've been enjoying the "search my timeline" feature in the Tweetie 2 iPhone app -- looking forward to the desktop client getting that feature as well. Totally agree with Robert, though: It seems like search/trends among the people i'm following has an incredible about of value to a user. A user like me. - Ryan Sholin

Mike Lizun: Works ok though it'd be better if you made trending topics at least 2 words (trending topics always seem to be 2-3 words). I get a lot of one-words that don't give me much. The trend should follow a longer duration of time as well. I am following 2000+ and only see a few tweets for certain trending terms. - beersage

yeah, i built out the search concept but saw Twitter announce they're doing it. decided to stick to other concepts and chase the $ elsewhere. thanks for the validation of a good idea though - Gregory Hanson

Wouldn't something similar be interesting on FB or any social network for that matter? Is Twitter more interesting due to the volume of tweets? - Dave Hodson

Twitter needs to incorporate this in the API, IMHO. - Dennis Jernberg

Sounds to me like something Facebook would do if they implemented trends. - James Harnedy

Good idea about the "Trending" element, Robert. As far as search, really FriendFeed got pretty close if only their import of Twitter friends could have been more complete (not just those already on FF). Stands to reason that the FF guys could have added a trending functionality, Alas... BTW, I just noticed that at ~ 2,500 subscriptions on FF, the "Add To List" pop-up craps out. No more... more... - Alex Schleber

BTW, been saying that Twitter needed search on one's friends/following stream for months: http://alexschleber.posterous.com/my-comm... - Alex Schleber

Yeah you r right, there exists no twitter trends just for your tweet stream/tweet inbox (tweets you receive from other people). - TrafficBug

Actually we have. http://journotwit.com - take a look at the Tag clouds. Also running http://uktjpr.com for the UK technology journalists and PR community so you can see what's happening right now in UK technology. - Dan Monsieurle

via http://siteanalytics.compete.com/bit... - Atul Arora

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whats your point? - Mark

can you interpret this via the medium of expressive dance? ;) - alphaxion

Mark: earlier this year Twitter "choose" Bit.ly over other URL shorteners and that caused Bitly's market share to zooooooom up. Is this good for a platform vendor to do? - Robert Scoble

Oh right. How do these URL services make any money? - Mark

Twitter had to make some sort of choice. Better bit.ly than tinyurl. I understand why they did it too, public stats. - Aram Zucker-Scharff from twhirl

Mark: today? They don't, they are in audience acquisition mode. TOmorrow? I can think of at least three ways these things can make money. Remember Flickr? In the early days they didn't make money either. Now they charge me to get access to my own photos. Seriously. Are we all that unimaginative that we can't think of at least three ways that these things will make money? Really? - Robert Scoble

twitter effect :) - Oğuz Serdar

Flickr charges you to store your photos. With that comes the access. Monetizing something like a url shortening service is a bit more problematic. Unlike Flickr you wouldn't actually be buying anything tangible. Just the ability to shorten a URL and how crucial is that. - Gilbert Harding

"There is no way for us to monetize URL shortening -- users won't pay for it" -- TR.IM Founder. Guess he can't think how it would make money without pissing off users either :) - Mark

Mark: translation: I can only do interstitial ads on URL shorteners but those aren't viable unless you get to monopoly marketshare. Which Bit.ly just got. - Robert Scoble

I was just wondering what the business model is for URL shorteners. Of course, its advertising. - Dan

Selling trending data is also possible. The URL shortener gets a good look at what is popular, in real-time. - DGentry

or http://siteanalytics.compete.com/bit... - Nick Halstead

oooo very clever, wonder why they didnt think of these - Mark

Where's the trend fot Spedr? - Smeerch

I agree with Robert and I said as much in my recent post. The reasons they shut down seem a little weak to me. You may not be able to make people pay just to shorten URL's but you can always use what you have to leverage something profitable. It just takes imagination. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

well yeah but they would have to pump money into it no doubt to do that, and it sounds like there is no money to be raised in the URL shortening area with the way they say they could not even sell the business for a nominal (small) fee. - Mark

Wow very nice. Now a new shortening service is up and running http://zxc9.com - vinoth

Dedicated to my dear imouto, @browneyes! Anata mo, genki ni nare yo! imouto! :-) —Enjoy y'all - directeur from NoiseRiver Extra!

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This is an improvisation, I wonder what would come from his fingers if he used a keyboard to write code :) - directeur

AH! thanx aniki! havent noticed this post, and just searched on youtube! ...though, this said "file not found" now. cant listen. :-( - browneyes

No problem, imouto! I'll send you the file ASAP :-) - directeur

There are hashtags. - Burcu Dogan

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which clutter up the message - Marlin Forbes

In fact, I say replace hashtags with tags - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

In their own container, not part of the message. - Marlin Forbes

Agreed, Marlin - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

It's META-data, data about the data, it should not be in the data. - Marlin Forbes

Check this out: I posted a note (without any link), and it's imported into FF here: http://friendfeed.com/highand... - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

It'd be cool if you could type the hash symbol before a keyword in the content for that word to be automatically added to the "Add tags" field. Then you could add other tags that aren't also a part of the content, but only when necessary. The problem with an extra field is that it's often not used (too much of a "hassle"). - Grey Drane

Grey, that's a good idea. Also, I like the way Google has implemented it. It's so ... clean. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Haven't used the Google Reader interface in a while since moving to Feedly. I'll check it out. - Grey Drane

Definately that is the thing FF is missing - tags are very useful, especially when I'd liek to find some old messages based on poast topic. Please FF add separate tag field. - Duszolap

+1 as I said .. http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF

Tags should be hidden, yep. - Kol Tregaskes

I agree - FF is missing tags wich are specialy useful when searching some old messages. Please give us tag support! - Duszolap

I like the idea of tags in FF, I wouldn't want to give up the hashtag ability :) ... I see hashtags as adding context to signal in a way that helps others organize around ideas... if I had tags, I'd inevitably apply too many and then how would folks 'really' know what the key tag was? - Holly Rae, FFer

#hashtags ftw! tags take up space on the screen whether they are part of the post or separate, might as well make them as integrated and simple as possible - Mike Chelen

With "fizzling" I do not mean it won't find a niche somewhere. Practically anything good finds a niche. FriendFeed has found a niche too. But Wave is *not* the successor to email. And will also not in any way be a major second platform besides the web. - Meryn Stol

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wave is meant to happen like that - it is a protocol after all, so anyone can built interoperable toys or tools that can run over wave, which can also interface which just about any other network. And because of the distributed nature, they dont have to host it all themselves. That lowers the barrier of entry for testing ideas yet again. And what you built won't ask users to duplicate... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I don't see why one would have to take the whole Wave protocol for that. I think the Wave protocol is too big. Adoption of the ideas inside Wave will happen more granular, by existing players. Of course we get compatibility between networks... But why not go on tightening the ropes we've already laid out? Integration of Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, FriendFeed, Google Reader is humming along just fine. Now suddenly everyone will need to talk "Wave"? - Meryn Stol

Wake me up when prominent people from major networks (esp. Twitter, Facebook), or major open source projects say Wave is the future. I have the feeling all these Wave fanboys are - relatively - at the periphery of the tech world. - Meryn Stol

Just to be clear: What do I expect instead? Twitter, FriendFeed, Facebook, etc integrating more tightly via things like activitystrea,ms, openid, pubsubhubbub, possibly XMPP hacks and the like. - Meryn Stol

you always care so much about "prominent people" - who cares what they analysts say, they hype things that vanish all the time, and snub things that turn out to be hugely useful all the time. They ignore as much as they report, often by tactical choice for their brand rather than real analysis. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I guess many are early adopters so that they have the edge if/when something new turns up. Some want to be ahead of the mainstream and ditch it when it becomes too popular. - Jemm

I love what Google Wave is: [theoretically] self-hostable, open source, standards-based. but there will only ever be one [in]complete implementation of it if it took all of Google's resources, 40 people, 2 years to create this first partially complete version. - Brian Hendrickson

I havent even seen wave so I cant comment, but to me the future is most certainly distributed - people want control of their interactions, their content etc. they dont want their stuff to disappear without notice, and they dont want to have to manually replicate their network for every task. Google wave is simply the next generation of xmpp, with added persistence and threading. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

As I said, Wave's ideas WILL find their way into the mainstream (I'm not merely talking about its UI or end-user features), it will just happen through a more evolutionary path from where we are now. - Meryn Stol

I am totally in agreement with you on that front - as a matter of fact, you really sounded like me early in this thread "it's not *that* new and not *that* game changing" ;) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Joelle, have you taken a look at Directeur's SocNode project? That's how simple distributed real-time social networking nodes can be. http://www.socnode.org/ - Meryn Stol

I would like to find out for myself. If only... - Jim Hearts FF

"... a new feature we're testing with a small subset of users. The idea is to allow people to curate lists of Twitter accounts. For example, you could create a list of the funniest Twitter accounts of all time, athletes, local businesses, friends, or any compilation that makes sense." - Meryn Stol from Bookmarklet

omg - Brian Hendrickson

Here's the part of the spec that describes it (I hadn't noticed this before): http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com/svn... - Matt Mastracci

Subtleties like this are what you learn after investigating the same thing for over a year. - Brett Slatkin

PSHB's batched updates look a lot like a "reverse microblogging firehose". - Matt Mastracci

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