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Gingrich: Sotomayor ‘racist,’ should withdraw nomination -
Gingrich: Sotomayor ‘racist,’ should withdraw nomination
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life," Sotomayor said in that speech, describing how life experience can inform judicial opinions. On Wednesday, Gingrich tweeted: "Imagine a judicial nominee said 'my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman.' new racism is no better than old racism." - Brian Sullivan from Bookmarklet
I wonder if Gingrich realizes the experiences of someone born into the dominant power structure vs someone born outside it _are not the same_. If a white male said his hypothetical *in a female-dominated, largely Latina society*, then that would be something else altogether. - Andrew C (✔)
He does have a point though -- whether it is enough to disqualify her is another issue. - Brian Sullivan
No he doesn't have a point at all. She gave that speech to a group of Latinos in law. It was a targeted speech and actually quite an interesting read: Gingrich has given similar speeches to groups of old, white men. Does that make him racist too? - Anika
Targeted? It was said publicly and published -- does "targeting" make a difference? -- and yes if Gingrich has given similar speeches I would say he could be called racist as well. Racist is racist whether it comes from the oppressing group or the oppressed though admittedly the perception is much more heinous if it comes from the oppressors. I personally don't think it is any grounds for her to resign or not be nominated though. - Brian Sullivan
Did you read the speech? Do you know the focus of the event? That's what I mean by targeted. I've written speeches for women, talking to black businesswomen or Muslimahs and it's targeted. We have different experiences than white male and our decisions are influence by that experience. That's fact. - Anika
I think the issue with what's been coming out of the Republican party recently is that it is obvious they are attacking everything the current administration does, on all fronts, without consideration. Like the boy who cried wolf, it's hard for me to take anything they say seriously because they're being so petulant about everything. I don't believe for a minute that Newt really thinks this woman is racist. It will be interesting to see if this strategy gets them the votes they're after in 2010. - invariant
Whaa...we lost the election and have to walk around the next four years with these hot biscuits in our asses....if we can't fuck you over we'll......just sit here with our biscuits! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Anika - Yes I read the speech -- or at least skimmed it. I consider the fact that it was targeted immaterial to the discussion. Everybody has different experiences dictated by race, age, gender, nationality, cultural upbringing. I am a white male -- from a totally different generation, country and cultural background than you for instance and probably from most of the white males that you know. I think there are shades and nuances to racist remarks and as I said above coming from the racially oppressed it has different connotations than from the racial oppressors. But that doesn't make them not racist. So I think Gingrich does have a point. - Brian Sullivan
My issue with her speech is where she say they'd "...reach a better conclusion...". Sorry, your gender and race does not cause you to have better opinions. Different, maybe. Better, no. - ChiliMac
She didn't say her race helps her reach a better conclusion...she says the richness of her experience, part of which is being a Latina woman, helps her make better conclusions. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Anika: I totally get the idea that her remark was "targeted" and should not be understood as her all-encompassing, definitive view of race, gender, and judicial qualifications. She was playing to a specific audience, not reciting a personal manifesto. Unfortunately, it is SOP to treat public figures that way, with people of all political persuasions leaping on every statement that can be interpreted in a negative way. - Roger Benningfield
Regarding the "better conclusion," she was specifically addressing the history of sex and race discrimination cases and how courts composed entirely of white males sometimes struck down but often upheld discriminatory policies. In that context, the observation that a Latina would be more likely to recognize discrimination than someone who hasn't experienced it is rather banal. - John (bird whisperer)
John: In fairness, she didn't say anything about "someone who hasn't experienced it". She picked out "white men", as if white men never experience discrimination and are never touched by it when it impacts others. As if pale dudes are never fat, blind, poor, or powerless. It doesn't make her a racist, and it's entirely possible she just said it to get some cheap applause from her audience, but as a statement unto itself, it's pretty dumb. - Roger Benningfield "The conservative freakout over Sotomayor's remarks, as opposed to the way Alito's were marketed as a selling point for him as a judge, makes a remarkably salient case for why we still need affirmative action. Two judges made similar points--one was an Italian American man, the other was a Latino woman, both accomplished on the bench--but what was sold as a strength for Alito makes Sotomayor a racist." - Andrew C (✔)
(cont) "Taylor and Buchanan, while attacking Sotomayor, have inadvertently made the case for a policy they'd like to see eliminated, by proving that all things being equal, a minority woman is held to a different standard than the white man of similar background and experience." - Andrew C (✔)
It's just too ironic to note the racists in government pointing fingers at others and calling them out for being racists. Too rich. So desparate - Marc
How exactly is acknowledging the reality that a woman of color experiences the world differently than a white male "racist?" It's not in the same ballpark; it's not in the same league; hell, it's not even the same sport. But it's typical of the way that conservatives try to de-legitimize the very idea that discrimination still plays a role in the lives of people of color in this country. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I'm thinking of a song from "Avenue Q," can you guess which one? - moon_shadow70
@ Moonsahdow-What are you trying say, huh? That we all look the same to you? Huh, huh, huh? - Mrsth
Thank you Kate Monster/MrsTH. :-) - moon_shadow70