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October 6 at 12:19 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"several months ago I began sending images to my good friend in Los Angeles, Clive Piercy — odd and interesting things I had found online that day. Each morning, before starting work, I would spend 30 minutes looking for visuals that were beautiful, funny, absurd and yet inspiring. I am continually amazed at the millions of images we have at our fingertips: design history, architecture, photography, ephemera and information. Gradually I added other friends and colleagues to an email list I called "Today," and over the following months it became a kind of obsession. Every day I was trying to find even more of this wonderful material, images that made me smile or that inspired me. Most designers are pack rats and collectors; it is our nature to see rather than just look and these images become a part of our everyday lives." - Cee Bee via Bookmarklet
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Sunday at 6:18 am - Link
as I posted there: "I'm think you're conflating the value of an idea with the leanness of a startup. Leanness can certainly contribute to success. A good idea certainly contributes to success. Neither is a guarantor of success, or even necessarily a predictor of outcome." - Andrew Badera
I agree, Andrew. What the poster had in mind is perhaps only concerning web startups, which are better off when they are lean at the beginning. obviously, leanness is a factor contributing towards success but it is not the most important one. What poster fails to make explicit is that the startup must be based upon a need, a gap to be filled out. He says there must be a customer but it looks more like potential customer. If there is a need addressed by the service of the startup, there will be customers. - Hayk
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very cool! just put one of my blogs through it and got all miserable ;) - Hayk
How many monitoring scripts are enough? I think I am making the monitoring sites more popular than my site with all of the tracking scripts. - Scot Duke
im a fan of quarkbase - its does the best job for me - Anthony Feint
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“Has anyone else noticed that http://stackoverflow.com/ has become the best developer/nerd/geek/tech community site out there almost overnight?”
September 27 at 12:36 pm - Link
It's addictive. Developers and programmers are a highly helpful bunch. I also like how Jeff added the gaming components to it, like the achievements and reputation. - Alan Le
One of the nice compared to say comp.lang.*, is that you can ask any programming question, and usually get an answer. In other words - nothing's off topic - Rajarshi Guha
yes, it has become a daily visit for me - timepilot
*Love* stackoverflow. Hope it stays as developer-y. - /(bb|[^b]{2})/ (Kamath)
checking it out...neat. Reminds me of http://Experts-Exchange.com which I've been using for at leas 5 years - Susan Beebe
I've heard at least one person frustrated that his answers are accepted because of his higher rating even when a better answer has been given. Anyone else seeing that behavior? - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
put in my first answer: http://stackoverflow.com/quest... - a bit long winded. - Capn' "One-Eye" Longman ☠
It is pretty surprising how much faith people put in the reputation score. It is mostly a measure of how long you've had an account, rather than a measure of knowledge or skill. I do think there have been several cases where my mediocre answer was voted up or accepted simply because I had the highest rep, and I felt there were better answers. I left a comment on one of them, but nothing came of it. - Denton Gentry
A lot of the joel on software and coding horror traffic, which is a lot, is shifting over. Not quite as fun though. All the personality was sucked out. - todd
Never been there. Guess I'll check it out. - MiniMage LightBlueRanger
My Powershell expert friend Hal Rottenberg keeps tweating about all the questions piling up there. I'm not much of a programmer, but there is a ton of activity there. - Eric @ CS Techcast
I still haven't heard anyone answer what's in it for me to answer people's questions. - Jason Carreira
The usual with the internet. The more we help each other the better we all do. - todd
@see also the discussion from earlier this week about how there's no experts on social media, because there's no value in it for them - Jason Carreira
The podcast is excellent, too - Darius Dunlap via twhirl
I posted my first question there today... Apparently it was too tough. Didn't get any answers. :( - Lindsay Donaghe
@Lindsay: possibly. I'd never heard of Punycode before your question. - Denton Gentry
eh, I much prefer www.dzone.com - Grant Gochnauer
I know he's trying to be a contrarian rebel without a cause in re-inventing the social media wheel, but it's really stupid that you either can't participate at all or have to be a power user. Every other social site gets new users participating by allowing them to do low-commitment participatory actions (like voting and rating). With SO, you have to have at least a 15 rating to do that: I guess SO is hoping to God new users never outpace established users? - Mark Trapp
funny, my most finger on the pulse developer friend told me about them a week ago. total instant blow up. - Noah Kravitz
Mark: actually that's a good thing. The #1 killer of developer and early-adopter focused communities is newbies and trolls and noisy people. - Robert Scoble
It kinda sucked building up those first 15 points, but it didn't take long at all. All you need to be is intelligent and not post douche-type answers. - Chris Charabaruk
Robert - it amazes me you can look at that site and understand it. Nice breadth of knowledge. Hacker News is about as close as I want get to those types of stories. - Hutch Carpenter
Wow... I hadn't looked at it before... I now have even less desire to help people with their homework. Yuck. - Jason Carreira
I like it. I don't understand everything in there, but then it's hardly possible. - Ian Hussein Maverick May
Yup, I have been addicted. - Varun Mahajan
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“I am contemplating starting a consulting business geared towards my market/vertical. Is being a sole proprietor, LLC, or incorporation generally better?”
October 5 at 5:24 pm - Link
s-corp (inc) or LLC ... - Andrew Badera
LLC provides more flexiblity - Scot Duke
An LLC is the way to go. Less paperwork, tax advantages. In California, though, there is an annual $800 tax that each LLC must pay. <-- The only way out of this is dissolving the LLC before the 1 year mark and proving that the LLC conducted no business and made no profit. - Brandon
what tax advantages does an LLC offer over an S? and, paperwork wise, it's a wash over time. - Andrew Badera
Thank you... that jives with what I'm reading as well. - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart
"S-Corps" are (usually) taxed federally at higher individual rates instead of corporate rates. - Mark VandenBerg
uhhhhh ... what? with s-corps you don't get hit with corporate double tax penalty of a C. s-corps and LLCs offer similar tax sheltering/minimizing, with LLC being able to opt for S-like tax status. s-corps offer greater corporate veil. some companies prefer to avoid LLCs and will only work with "real" 1120c or 1120s corps ... - Andrew Badera
Andrew. You are correct. I was thinking about the raw rate, but dollar-wise my statement is incorrect. Thanks! - Mark VandenBerg
You may find one of these tax articles to be useful: http://www.biztaxtalk.com/node... . If you have any questions Linda will answer them. - todd
One thing to note about s-corps is that you cannot have foreign citizens as owners. Probably not an issue but thought I should mention it. - Andrew Leyden
You really want to talk to someone that is a tax pro in your state. The different states have different rules for the various entities, even though the differences are minor. As was mentioned previously, if you are planning on employees, especially non-citizens, there are a ton of possible questions. - Rob Diana
LLC, plus you get protection not given to a sole proprietorship, and incs get messy and take lots of work and deliberation..sometimes - genieyclo
Get a client. Then get more. The structure can wait depending on the size of your practice. - DJ Chang
@DJ unless Ken wants to risk his personal assets in a lawsuit he should not wait to form a company. - Brandon
I like LLC and personally would recommend doing that at least, but you should consult with a good attorney. Also, not all states are like the People's Republic of California and have a minimum $800 tax. For example, here in Arizona there isn't a minimum tax on LLCs. Definitely check with a CPA and find out about that as well. - Jason Shultz
agree with DJ Chang. Revenue under $50,000 in most states sole proprietorship is pretty good. After that you use LLC's to own property, but corporations give you more tax flexibility to run your business - Lorraine Ball
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Startup Success: Andrew Leyden posted a message
“Just wondering how many startups are still on dedicated servers and how many have made the switch to the 'cloud' of Amazon, Google, etc. We're looking at some cost cutting in the next few weeks and trying to price out different options to keep things alive (cheaper) as the going gets a bit rougher.”
Thursday at 12:49 pm - Link
FWIW, we have several dedicated boxes with an added bandwidth package from our hosting company that runs us between $4,000-$5,000 a month. We're probably going to drop at least one or two boxes, and possibly move some of our heavy storage requirements to the Amazon cloud to save on bandwidth costs. But I've definitely been tasked to look at all options. - Andrew Leyden
We are about to release a widget for Wordpress that we'll quickly move to other platforms. We costed it out a while ago and decided (quite easily) that moving to VMs on the cloud was the best solution. It's cheap initially and can scale fairly quickly. - mike
We're on the verge of going cloud. We'd probably go cloud before going dedicated. The way the balance of our needs work out, we can probably keep our site on a beefed up VPS for the time being, and move the service API workload out into the cloud. - Andrew Badera
Talk to Oren Michels or Scott Rafer at Mashery...entirely cloud based from get go... - Alan Edgett
Unfortunately we are a dedicated hosting environment. Both managed and the cheaper unmanaged. We still see growth in both areas, but the cloud makes sense for certain areas. - Chris
@ andrew leyden You might want to check out BlueLock www.bluelock.com I think their monthly packages start significantly lower then $4,000 a month - Lorraine Ball
I'm hearing a lot more people switching to the cloud. - Steve Spalding
I'm still on a dedicated server for each site. i think until you really (need to) scale up the cloud isn't a huge issue.I'm more interested in scaling 3rd party services (e.g. entry level consumer of 3rd party data) - weblivz
Those of us whose models depend on scale, or anyone whose app takes off suddenly, anyone who has predictable troughs in demand, are perfect candidates for the benefits of cloud computing. And, it's better, IMO, to already be in the cloud, if there's no additional cost associated, rather than trying to go cloud WHEN or AFTER demand hits. - Andrew Badera
I see the latest Twitter blog post - Ev admits, like every startup, they started without scale. I agree the cloud is *easier* to be part of than it used to be (Twitter used s3 for it's images since the start i think), but exclusively? - weblivz via twhirl
Can someone explain how switching to the cloud works? We are a not-yet-started startup. We have a VPS and 12-hour backups to S3. Before we go 'live' we will have a failover to another VPS as well. I understand the concept of backing up to S3, etc. but I don't understand how switching would work unless I am reading too much into the word and it means using the cloud as an extra backup location? - david
Depends on the nature of your needs. Some places, like EC2 or Rackspace, offer fullblown IaaS. Others like Google App Engine lock you in with PaaS, which restricts you to writing Python apps to serve your needs. Hadoop offers a data cloud. Nirvanix offers CDN/SDN cloud-like facilities. - Andrew Badera
If you need Google's BigTable, Amazon's SimpleDB, or Microsoft's SSDS (in beta), then you also need to recognize, and understand how to employ, access, iterate, Entity-Attribute-Value, or "horizontal" data structures. These are all graph or graph-like databases. - Andrew Badera
In my case I have a website that's relatively low traffic, but a web service API that needs to scale. So, I part my service calls out to a cloud service, let the cloud handle the demand, then pump the data down to a data warehouse for conventional OLTP and reporting. - Andrew Badera
david, amazon web services are much more than a storage facility (S3), you can have EC2 (elastic compute cloud) instances running and fire them up as/when needed. They are basically images of a OS of choice running off with the calc power and memory you chose. If a small EC2 becomes unresponsive (for example too much load on that one) you can fire a bigger one up and smoothly (and instantly) migrate to that one. you may want to give a look at the AWS developers doc, there are a lot of very nice examples - lezionidistile
much better and more useful than the ones I can make on friendfeed... you'll find them here: http://aws.amazon.com/resource... - lezionidistile
We have been moving clients (and our own services) to the Mosso cloud system. Capacity scales automatically, the environment is straight PHP and / or .NET from our point of view and we have non of the crazy hoops to jump through to configure for EC2. - Soulhuntre
There are team members in our group actively learning the tricks and traps of EC2 with the goal of moving off a hugely expensive dedicated rack of servers. - Capn' "One-Eye" Longman ☠
Care to share some of those tricks and traps? Your team keeping a blog by any chance? I'd love to share in their insights. - Andrew Badera
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“just a quick note to say thank you to all of you for contributing to this little community in a community. There's some great info & discussions here and i think it's going to be great to get to know one another especially over the course of the next couple of years & the tough times ahead. Cheers!”
Thursday at 5:06 pm - Link
and we just broke the 1000 mark - which is fantabulous. :) - Zee from WeDoCreative
Thanks for inviting me mate. - Steve Spalding
Thanks again Zee :) - Carolyn
Thanks for inviting me Zee, I am reading the previous posts - Taban Khajehnassiri
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Thursday at 5:17 pm - Link
"I recommend Gary Vaynerchuk and Brian Solis for social media marketing and personal branding; Umair Haque and John Hagel for strategy -- don't know what stream they fit in, but they are both absolutely brilliant." - CBG
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Thursday at 4:49 am - Link
"I particularly enjoyed the title of Howard Lindzon's latest post: "Too small to fail" Nowadays, as a web startup, you have to try pretty hard to not be capital efficient. We just came out of the latest YC batch with the majority of their investment still intact. With a few thousand dollars, entrepreneurs can develop and launch products with room for several small, follow-up experiments. If you're able to create real value in the first X months, capital, business model, etc will all fall into place." - CBG
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“Service wanted: BackType. BackType (backtype.com) is a site that allows you to keep a profile of ALL of your comments on ALL (okay, not all, but a ton) of blogs in the blogosphere. It'd be super cool if FriendFeed posted a notice saying that I posted a comment on some blog.”
September 23 at 5:05 pm - Link
Seconded - Aaron Krug
Thirded (motion passed) - Bryan Landers
sounds good to me! - Colide81 (James)
wouldn't it be great if backtype knew when you commented on FF too? - Justin Long
Justin: thanks for the feedback -- we're thinking about it - CBG
It's on the list. I promise :) - Paul Buchheit
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Real Life Bambi Saved from Womb after Mother Killed
Real Life Bambi Saved from Womb after Mother Killed
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October 2 at 8:39 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
for all you softies in the house :) - Zee from WeDoCreative via Bookmarklet
That is amazing. - Mattb4rd
it is to be fair - i had no idea they looked so much like the damn cartoon :) - Zee from WeDoCreative
my heart. it has melted. that last picture is so great, look at those ears! i just want to pet and kiss them. What a beautiful baby. - Aden
oh my god . . . cutest thing ever - Lindsey Smith
Awwwwwww. - Roberto Bonini
venison - Andrew Smith
@Andrew Smith, LOL. BTW, it's veal-venison. - Trevor Carpenter
وووووووووووویییییییی - A.J.
Not much of a meal there anyway :) - Andrew Smith
Ok, there is NONE cuter than this animal...I DEFY anyone to show me anything cuter... - Live4Soccer
Bite sized? - ☛ Adam Helweh ☚
L4S this comes real close: http://friendfeed.com/e/540c44... - Cee Bee
+1 L4S - Robin Barooah
it's only cute cuz it looks like a cartoon...which might actually be the definition of cute? - Rah™
naa, i've seen plenty of ugly cartoons Rah - Zee from WeDoCreative
Cee Bee, that's close...more of a "that's bad ass" reaction to that Pug...reminds me of the dog in MIB...good effort though, but I still contend the Bambi pics are still an 11 on the Cute Scale... - Live4Soccer
aaaaaaaahhhhhh...... so sweet. - Mary Anne Davis
I just closed my door and I'm softly weeping into my hankie... seriously though, that is one cute deer cub. - Aaron Strout
ahhhhhhhhhhh too friggen sweet!!! I want one! - mortisha
must resist Like, will not look macho - adolfo foronda
heck - how do you think i feel submitting it! :) - Zee from WeDoCreative
Thanks for sharing! - J. D. Ebberly
hey no need to thank, all the likes makes it worth it :) - Zee from WeDoCreative
oh what a sweet baby! want!!!! <3 - Carmen
I wonder who killed Bambi's mom. - Carolyn
Poor little thing. He was so sweet. - Baxter Tocher
:) - edythe
unlike the mother...it looks like this bloody share just won't die! ;) keeps getting coughed up again! :) - Zee from WeDoCreative
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Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads
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September 30 at 5:06 pm - Link
"alaska isn't a foreign country" - peter
I love that Katie Couric cannot hide her look of contempt at 35s. - Erica Baker
I can't name a newspaper I read. - Amit Patel
Saying she reads the Internets might have helped. - Chris White
I can name 2 newspapers I read in Alaska. The Fairbanks Daily Newsminer and the Anchorage Daily News. That was 4 fricking years ago and I can still name them. - Erica Baker
A weekly paper in Alaska: http://www.petroleumnews.com - peter
There are no words...I mean like gee...she's all like...WTF - Rah™
(A) Honesty: "I read the Wasilia Moosehumper, but usually just have time for Family Circus and Dear Abbey". (B) Lying: "I read the Journal, Harper's, the Economist, and the Harvard Law Review". (C) Cluelessness: "Um. All of them." - Steve Weis
Maybe she didn't want to give free advertising to the papers???? Or maybe... just maybe.... she's out of touch with her state and the other 49 - Anthony K. Valley ©
Couric: "What about blogs, do you keep up with any blogs?" Palin: "Yes, I read any of the ones put in front of me. I read all of them Katie." - Jason Shellen
Why are you all so hard on her? She said she reads most, all, and any put in front of her. Oh, and a vast variety of sources. How can you argue with that?! I mean, personally, I've only read a "bunch," so she has me beat - I think. - Vince DeGeorge
I read a bunch too. Google News. Memeorandum. FriendFeed. Between the three all the world's newspapers come into my view. But at least I could tell you something about them. How can we get her to go away? Please make it stop. I really hope this helps the Republican Party purge themselves of all the Religious Right jerks who've destroyed that party in the past 20 years. - Robert Scoble
"I also read all the internets." - Chris Messina
I can't name a newspaper I read cause I don't read newspapers. I get all my news from the screen in front of me or a little bit from the TV. - Mathew Ballard
What's a newspaper? - /(bb|[^b]{2})/ (Kamath)
I think the important thing to remember is we are not 'picking on her', we are trying to hold her to the high standard the office she is applying for demands... - John Worthington
Why does it feel like, the worse Palin appears, the more likely she's actually going to get voted into office? Oh, I remember now. That's what happened in the 2004 election. - Victor Ganata
I tell you one thing, she has really made me appreciate Hillary... - Vince DeGeorge
She should NOT have said she "reads them all". WTF kinda answer is that. I'm trying not to be on the Palin hater bandwagon, but she just won't work with me... - Rah™
Wasn't it like this with Quale too? - Dave Saunders via twhirl
she reads "all of 'em. any of 'em." she's very entertaining! god bless her - Cee Bee
Alright, that's it - Palin has officially entered "un-parody-able" territory. Any joke about how uninformed she is only pales in comparison to the reality of how uninformed she is. SNL has got nothing on this Katie Couric footage. - Adam Kazwell
Gonna say it again... Principle from South Park - John Worthington
good god help us. This is it. I'm utterly disgusted at the joke that McCain and his campaign have made out of our election process and our government as a whole with this woman (sure, there are people there I'm sure who don't like her, but this nonsense was allowed to happen). - Chieze Okoye
I saw this mentioned this weekend, but I agree. It's cruel to put her in this position. She clearly isn't knowledgeable enough to answer these questions. She also clearly freezes up when challenged. They had to have some clue these were traits of her's before putting her up there. - Andrew Burd
more shit...this has got to go AWAY now dammit!! this is sooo stuoooopid! - Susan Beebe
this is a totally different stage than she's used to. they might not have known she would be like this under these conditions. <trying to give benefit of the doubt> - Jon Price
You know what I take away from this? That she reads and believes anything put in front of her. Let's hope the Taliban aren't sending her spoofed articles. *removes tongue from cheek* - Lindsey Smith
So you think she could name a newspaper and not get in trouble? Saying you read them all is a polite reply without picking favorites. - Dan Nimtz via twhirl
No, say "I'm not gonna give them free advertising", say anything that doesn't sound totally random and moronic - Rah™
Just say "Time" or "People" any thing at all.... Well; any thing except what you did say. - J. Abdul-Qahhar
she gave the same exact answer W gave, except he also tossed in 'the Google'. - Faboo Mama
What's the shortest book in the world? The Sarah Palin book of Political Philosophy - Ivan Pope via twhirl
Not judging perspective, but Bush was proud not to listen to news and katrina happened under his nose. They had to basically put a You Tube style of clips in front of him so he could figure out what was happening. I am very concerned about someone who doesn't expose themselves to news that doesn't filter through their handlers. They should not be so easily controlled. - Eric @ CS Techcast
Dan: "get in trouble"??? with who? even if she said National Review Online, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, she still would have covered her ass on the right-wing side. Hell, I'm not running for anything (yet) and read those all the time. I wouldn't even expect her to read them everyday, but at least be able to list something. - Faboo Mama
Has anyone bothered to check if she can read at all? Illiterate VP overcomes diversity..wins election and hearts of Americans. Interesting strategy. - Matt Musgrave
I just brought myself to watch this clip. My God. Seriously? Seriously? Are they for reals? Seriously? How Katie didn't just stop the strolling and say point blank "Please, just name one newspaper you read.", I'll never know. Although, the look on her face was awesome. Your face said it out loud Katie. - Yolanda
I'm sick of giving her the benefit of the doubt. She's had how long to prepare and CAN'T NAME A SINGLE NEWSPAPER IN THE US?? Any other position where she's this clearly mismatched (scratch that, unqualified) for the role, ANY OTHER POSITION, and she would have been laughed out of the room. This is completely ridiculous. - Chieze Okoye
w. Sadly Tina Fey's excellent parody is straight up. She doesn't need to presenhy wouldst a caricature, just the real thing... she get into trouble for naming a newspaper. That's ridiculou - Tim Wolters via twhirl
"all of em" she read all of them. - MG Siegler
Palin is a near Dubya-grade imbecile :( - Tim
Ok, we all agree. Not smart. Perhaps the title should be: "Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Doesn't Read." What would your alternate video title be? - Jason Shellen
"I think the Onion has some great insight" But seriously, say WSJ, NYT, Washington Times - heck you'd even get points for USA Today. - AJ Kohn
If she says 1 particular newspaper, then people will drill down on that paper and assume that is the only place she gets her information from... and if she says 1 newspaper, the moment she has an opinion about something all media will be able to link it to one newspaper and its potential biases. She answered the question strategically here. I don't mind the answer. - Mike
She is totally in touch with the "microcosm of America" -- who actually reads newspapers or magazine anymore anyway? Reading is for lefty wimps. - Pete Delucchi
c'mon, she pretty much said she only reads what is put in front of her (at this point by Republican party handlers), which to me is actually worse than not saying "all of 'em" or "getting in trouble" for name dropping the wrong ones. basically it says she reads only what someone tells her too. I could never support someone that has this little curiosity about the world. - Jon Price
This reminds me of a sign here in Austin, http://www.flickr.com/photos/r... :) - Tim
I think a bird that makes on a newspaper could name it. - Steve Rubel
I think it's amazing that people are actually trying to explain this away. Seriously, you guys? - Chieze Okoye
Wow, people still use newspapers to keep in touch with what's going on in the world? - Michael Pick via twhirl
WOW! Did she name names after this clip? Or was this the end of the question ? - Sumit Chachra
C'mon, people, she reads all of them! Any of them! - Dror Shimshowitz
the hilarity just doesn't stop. fun fact: sarah palin got her degree in... journalism! - Leonard
Thinking that PT Barnum is wishing he could charge for the spectacle coming up on Thursday. Wow. - Casey
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Jeremiah, like a lot of people, misses the point of Friendship. People aren't relegated to mere collections of topics to be parsed into hashtags or filters: they're above and beyond that. News and content discovery needs to be better removed from the whole social connection process, but it's not going to make "Friending" obsolete. Being able to follow people, not topics, is the appeal to the rest of the world outside of social media and web strategy experts. The intelligent web ought to include how to follow people we care about better, not removing them entirely from the equation. - Mark Trapp
Friending to me is saying I enjoy that person's perspective. If everyone tags using "#relatedmusic" then there is no perspective anymore and you are just getting a big dump of everything. The curator feature of relationships is difficult to do away with. - todd
+1 @todd...i love that word 'curator.' people--as filters--will always matter in a so-called 'social' context. - .LAG
mark: i agree w/ your perspective but i saw the post as stating that a better way to discover and auto-follow "friends" would be possible via this systemic approach to topics/themes/memes/interests when some of these capabilities mature - one of the potentials of semantic web right? - mike "glemak" dunn
Mike: but friends aren't merely collections of topics. Better filtering and content discovery is one part of the solution, but easier ways to figure out what your existing connections are doing are just as important. I go back to an example I used a while ago: I may have no interest in car talk, but I want to know when my friend gets a new car, and I want to hear what he has to say about it. Merely reducing it to topical analysis means I miss a big event in my friend's life. - Mark Trapp
love the idea of curator. Works especially well with faving photos that show up in FF. - Thomas Hawk
mark: totally agree, not ruling out presence aggregation (i think ff already works really well for this & the primary reason i like it so much) - saw this post as augmenting an already existing social net - btw, i don't think the current system of manually finding/following is broken - but that's just me ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
A lot of folks missed the point of the whole post. This isn't about 'friending' that's just but once example. The bigger point is = the web is going to be a sentient being. - Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: you wrote about how the act of friending would be obsolete because we're teaching some nebulous system a set of rules to figure out how we determine friends. I'm saying Friendship isn't programmatic: it's not just a different form of interest profiling. Rulesets can apply to a lot of things in social media, but Friendship transcends a list of rules to be parsed. I've written about this subject here: http://marktrapp.com/tags/frie... - Mark Trapp
Mark... spot on. I may not even want to friend the same people on different services, may use different filters on different services for the same friends, etc. I want this kind of thing to be manual. I want to retain control of how my time is used and what information I see. - £ogical €xtremes
Mark. Have you seen Xobni? It's already tracking who my contacts are by email usage without my explicitly saying that someone is a friend. This is already happening. - Jeremiah Owyang
agreed jeremiah - web as sentient being is a stretch (which i'm sure is the way you meant it) but not the progress that will help to produce the semantic web which should be very revolutionary... - mike "glemak" dunn
I've not said the "S" word Mike. I'm trying to approach this 'next next' without using any buzz. Taking a pragmatic approach. But yeah, we agree. - Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: your contacts are not necessarily your friends. I have a list of people, like vendors, who I have to email regularly, nevertheless, I don't care about their daily lives and I don't have a sense of real attachment to them. You're conflating two different terms here: Friendship isn't a keyword search, it's not your address book; it's more than that. - Mark Trapp
Jeremiah: I agree that there's a lot of stuff, programmatically, that could be done to figure out very useful relationship graphs: most frequently contacted, business associates, etc. But you're always going to need to explicitly state "This person is a friend." It's not reducible to a parse, and for that group of people, your actual friends and the people you care about the most, "friending" isn't going to be obsolete. - Mark Trapp
Well put, Mark. - Anthony Citrano
hashtag is a metadata. With enough metadata, you can find out relationships between people or information. Though I think the next step is finding relationship or connection without having explicit metadata. - Leon Ho
Might be instructive to take a page out of (formal) social network analysis...look at users' behavior to infer/interpolate relationship information. This has been done (for example) analyzing massive amounts of data from cell phone users' anonymized call logs. Not too hard to figure out which phone numbers belong to friends, which to family, which to Domino's, etc. Watching users' interactions can educate a "smart enough" system about the relationships (friendships and other kinds) among the users. - Andy Shaindlin
I have been (and still are) interested of how data mining allows to create maps of social connections and information they share between each other. There are huge privacy risks in that kind of things but it looks like that world is getting more and more full of all kinds of sources of data. Sooner or later people start to notice that there are tons of information about themselves even if they haven't shared anything publicly (or that is the way many people think). - Daniel Schildt
Jeremiah wrote about "Teaching the System" and while there are issues related to connecting different systems together, there will be more and more conversation about how to connect huge databases to create massive pools of data. Even if that data is located in separate locations, application interfaces allow systems to communicate between them and make distributed data mining by just transferring results to another service. - Daniel Schildt
I just find it distracting that in longer run at least some of the systems will become tools to track and control people. It's not the functionality, it's how features are used. There will be more talk about ethics of data mining but does that really change much of how things are getting to on later stages? - Daniel Schildt
People's identity in on the way to "higher level" as it's being digitized in many ways from credit card data to click and location tracking online and offline. Some people say that they don't have anything to hide. OK, it may feel like that but do they really think that in future? I don't want to be paranoid, not even close to that kind of feeling but I'm just kind of pessimistic of ways many things look they would be going to. - Daniel Schildt
In my opinion there should be more conversation of what are privacy aspects of society where information is openly traded between different systems maintained by individuals, companies and governments. Who controls the data or are things getting little bit out of hands? Or is the free flow of information best way to do things always when we are talking about amount of private and public information there are already in databases around the world? Who says the last word on how that info is used? - Daniel Schildt
So knowing that, isn't it our choice to decide how much to put out there? Also, there are sites / services that aren't indexed. Why not go that route? - just asking. - Mona N.
I'm not saying that it would be bad that public information gets indexed and combined. I'm just saying that in long run the difference between private and public is going to get mixed. It's our choice to decide what we publish or not but there is much information about ourselves that most people don't even know to exist. That is the main thing that makes me to be somewhat pessimistic of future. - Daniel Schildt
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I think that if this were to end up being a problem, FF can easily identify the resource hogs and block them uploading photos. - Alan Le
I mentioned in a comment on the site that I did utilize FriendFeed's caching ability for a few days, as the hospital wouldn't let me use FTP. It was a great backup. I haven't taken the time to download the files myself and redo the image links, but may "just in case". - Louis Gray
Only #3 is an issue. The first two are the same issue, namely that FriendFeed lets you keep data online. This could have been a one-sentence bug report on the FF feedback room. (Obviously I don't represent FF or I would be apologizing for the trouble and being totally nice.) - Bruce Lewis
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