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Really clever use of Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Benan Arıgil, Roberto Bonini, Nispell and 76 other people liked this
Best viewed from photostream. Excellent!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
That is AWESOME
- Josh Haley
That's really cool. No way I'd have the planning ability to do that.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Nifty!
- @CrystalinaB
that's awesome.
- Alfredo
Oh wow.. they even compensated for the gaps between the pictures.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Fabulous!
- Penny
Can I FAV that stream!?!? That is awesome!
- Justin Korn
Nice!
- Nicholas James
Clever.
- Mike Nayyar
Check Daniel's share of this two: http://ff.im/2rPZM. Like that he's captured the photostream screenshot. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I did something similar some time ago: http://tr.im/k13U and http://tr.im/k142 but in sets not photostream. Anyway this guy work is nicer, mine was just an experiment.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Leandro, that is excellent!
- Kol Tregaskes
Brilliant
- Michael Fidler
THAT is really creative!
- Scott of Two Countries
i agree with creative.
- امیر؟
Sweet, What a great idea!
- aerobroken
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So the Los Angeles Times Thinks It’s OK to Rip Copyrighted Photos From Flickr? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Kreg Steppe, João Almeida, Colin Charles and 29 other people liked this
that's sad, but unfortunately it's common
- Rafael
I don't think anyone that follows the stealing of photography is at all surprised by this. It sucks but so common.
- Adam Jackson
I hope that the LA Times is not one of the papers that is attacking Google for grabbing news from them and making money off of it.
- Travis Koger
Thomas: Did you see your post on Flickr is currently image number 3? http://ff.im/7qTF6
- Holger Eilhard
@Holger, brilliant capture. I love the pic title also. That is almost like looking into a mirror, looking into a mirror. The circular copyright infringement going on here is spectacularly good.
- Travis Koger
BOOOOOOO!
- sofarsoShawn
But photos are "meant to be free like the wind when placed online" or they used to be by your account not too long ago. Interested in blog traffic or the issue? Has your stance on photo rights evolved?
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
@Jim: If I remember correctly (?) TH's point is that they are meant to be free, until someone - in this case the LAT - is making money with them...
- Holger Eilhard
Jim, you're confusing how I feel about a mainstream media company flagrantly taking photos for publication in a for profit venue vs. people getting wound up over every little instance of copyright infringement including people printing out their photos for personal use. Something people have very little control over and involves no commercial application of the work. One can easily live...
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- Thomas Hawk
Unfortunately your take on "commercial application" is not that of everyone else. The issue of selling or licensing photography is anything but black or white some people license photos, some sell prints, some just want them to be seen on blogs, some want bloggers to pay for use and some want all or some combination there of. Copyright terms are there to express the preferred limitation...
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- Jim Goldstein
Jim, weren't you hosting a copyrighted mp3 file on your own website a while back. Does copyright only apply to photos or does it apply to music as well? Aren't you being a bit hypocritical here extolling the virtues of copyright in your pure black and white world but thinking that the same rules don't apply to you?
- Thomas Hawk
Copyrights matter for any creative medium and that's why creative work that finds its way to my web site or any web site I manage is used in line with the licensing terms set by the artist or special permission is sought by the artist. To your question no I was not hosting a copyrighted mp3 file, but ~20 seconds of a song was embedded in a .mov file for a limited period of time. If...
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- Jim Goldstein
"that's why creative work that finds its way to my web site or any web site I manage is used in line with the licensing terms set by the artist or special permission is sought by the artist." So did you get Brian Eno's permission when you hosted his music on your own website? I'm confused. http://web.archive.org/web...
- Thomas Hawk
Anthony says over in his thread (http://friendfeed.com/photo-u...) that it's (finally) fixed now.
- Stephen Mack
good to see. :) I'm still interested in if Jim Goldstein had permission from Brian Eno when he decided to host Brian Eno's music prominently on his website as a background music track to his photographs. Given that Jim states that "creative work that finds its way to my web site is used in line with licensing terms set by the artist or special permission." and seems to feel so...
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- Thomas Hawk
I'm not sure what you're after other than avoiding the question at hand in relation to your post and your thoughts Thomas. I wasn't born with the innate knowledge of our legal system, but I make the effort to learn it, make adjustments and disseminate accurate information. As stated if improperly used material was placed on my site I've made effort to remove it as fast as possible....
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- Jim Goldstein
Jim, you say that you weren't "born" with the innate knowledge of our legal system. I'm not suggesting that you posted the copyrighted file to your website the year you were born. I'm suggesting you posted it late last year. Were you unaware of copyright law last year? Is this something new that you've only picked up recently? What I'm after is simple. Did you violate Brian Eno's...
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- Thomas Hawk
Dude http://www.filetransit.com/freewar... You can watermark your Pics and prove ownership, Then do something about it for real. Be cool Dude protect and demand what is yours by rights Later Dude
- ThatDBD
So Jim, was your use of Brian Eno's music late last year as background music to your images on your own personal website a copyright violation or was it not? Still waiting to hear if you had personal permission from Eno to use the music as you said earlier: "creative work that finds its way to my web site or any web site I manage is used in line with the licensing terms set by the...
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- Thomas Hawk
@jimgoldstein. Regarding your tweet. http://twitter.com/jimgold... First of all it's not slander when it's written it's libel. Secondly. Hypocrisy = someone saying one thing and doing something else. When someone says that copyright is black and white. And then they say that any content on their sites is properly licensed or is used with artist approval. And then I...
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- Thomas Hawk
Fun stuff.
- Dane Deasy
Isn't the Los Angeles Times violating copyright law and/or Creative Commons terms by using people's photos commercially *and* without attribution *and* without a link *and then* asserting their OWN copyright thereon? http://www.latimes.com/news... #fuckinglame
Mitchell Tsai, Alex Scrivener, Jeff P. Henderson and 63 other people liked this
That is some freaking lame-ass shit right there. How can the LAT think they've any right?
- James (!?)
That's very lame. Almost as lame as looking at the fullsize pic and then trying to click onto the next image....
- WorldofHiglet
They have a very creative use of the term copyright.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
And now they're using several of mine (screenshot: http://www.citrano.com/pix...) -- I've e-mailed their editorial staff and am eager to hear the explanation.
- Anthony Citrano
They just pulled it right off your Flickr? That's lame. (without attribution and slapping their copyright on it.)
- Gus
Sounds like it's the MSM doing the pirating this time.
- Dennis Jernberg
@Gus: correct. @Dennis: well said.
- Anthony Citrano
Depends how they are doing it actually. If they are only pulling off Creative Commons licensed photos then they'd be ok. If they are pulling of all rights reserved photos and creative commons non commercial licensed photos they'd be in violation of these licenses. In either case they are violating Flickr's terms of use which require them to include a link back to the original image on...
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- Thomas Hawk
Perhaps they intend the copyright to apply to entire content of the page versus the specific content of the photo. In any case, I agree quite lame.
- Khürt Williams
FWIW their attribution link is hidden behind that 'i' at the bottom. They do this *all* the time and each time they get more and more clever about hiding the attribution from the pictures they pull from Flickr. Still, they need to stop pulling in photos by keywords and pay attention to the CC license. Too time consuming? Then don't do it, LA Times.
- Admiral Anika
"Do link back to Flickr when you post your Flickr content elsewhere. The Flickr service makes it possible to post content hosted on Flickr to outside web sites. However, pages on other web sites that display content hosted on flickr.com must provide a link from each photo or video back to its page on Flickr." Per the community guidelines at Flickr. the L.A. Times is not linking back.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, it looks like today they added the "LINK TO OWNER" thing within the "i" button. This was *not* there last night - I looked, very hard (and much harder than 99% of LATimes readers would look). But they're still ignoring the main issue. I've seen several today and last night with various license settings, including many marked "All Rights Reserved".
- Anthony Citrano
I am just trying to get my mind around how this is much different than if the pictures where posted on FF.
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian - (non-stolen) pictures on FF (such as flickr favorites, etc.) are always linked back to their creator and are (ostensibly) being used noncommercially. Further, a user is not asserting their own copyright. Yet further, I have long howled about FF users who steal images and then upload them directly to FF without credit - not because of the money or lack of respect for the artists but because they (the FF user) essentially orphan the work by doing that.
- Anthony Citrano
The linking back is the only issue I can see. Here it could be said it looks like FF is asserting copyright -- much the same as LA Times put a copyright notice on the page.See http://friendfeed.com/briansu... where I used the bookmarklet to post pictures from your Flickr site.
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian - sure, for my stuff, which is CC, but if you did that with someone's images that were marked "All Rights Reserved" then what you did there would be illegal. That is to say, it would not qualify as "fair use" (but I'm no lawyer) and the creator could pursue remedies against you and/or FF.
- Anthony Citrano
But almost every use of the bookmarklet would then be deemed illegal and FF would the most copyright offending organization on the planet - the LA Times would be rank amateurs-- but maybe that is where this is all headed?
- Brian Sullivan
Just for kicks, I marked one of my uploads "All Rights Reserved" just now. A few minutes later, there it was on the LA Times site. Brian - to your point about FF, let's set aside the general rule that just because other people do it doesn't mean it's not wrong - and think about commercial use. Say what you will about FriendFeed's future profit potential, but it's a hell of a lot more...
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- Anthony Citrano
Is the "commercial use" thing real though -- "all rights" would include even what happens on FF.
- Brian Sullivan
Anthony, take a screen shot of your image and send them in invoice for $1,000 and see what happens. If nothing else it would make for an interesting story as you followed the progress of it all.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas I want to see what they say first. They deserve a chance to respond. If I do send them an invoice, it will only be to make a point - and if the invoice is honored, the money will go to a non-profit.
- Anthony Citrano
Anthony -- my name is Sean Connelley. I am the one who created the Flickr widget used on the LA Times. I wanted to just explain what happened from my side, in hopes it clear some of this up for everyone. The CC issue was an honest mistake on my part and in know way was I just trying to hijack or steal anyone's photo. When retrieving photos using the Flickr API, there is a parameter...
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- Sean Connelley
Interesting to see what Anthony says but good to see Mr Connelley giving an explanation.
- WorldofHiglet
Sean, thanks for posting here with the explanation, but can you explain why both mistakes you detail were left up and running for more than a day before being corrected? I understand the point you made about wanting to rush out your widget, but even a few minutes of testing after launch should have revealed both errors to you.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen -- All I can say is they slipped through. After initially finishing the widget, I debugged it for about an hour or so, for various problems. So I guessed I overlooked those. Also on the CC issue, I had no real reason to believe it wasn't working, I thought I was doing it right. I was alerted to the problem this morning and I fixed the link back to the user and I thought I fixed...
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- Sean Connelley
Sean, thanks for being forthcoming and posting the details.
- Stephen Mack
Hi Sean - thanks for explaining what's going on here. We all make mistakes. I didn't think you guys were being intentionally malicious, just careless. And it appears you still are - I just went over to the widget and you are *still* using photos marked “Noncommercial” and “All Rights Reserved.” Are you asserting some kind of fair use claim with select images (which I really don't think you can legitimately do here), or is it still just coded incorrectly?
- Anthony Citrano
For example, the first photo the widget is showing at the moment is this one by Theron Trowbridge: http://www.flickr.com/photos... which is marked with a CC Attribution-Noncommercial license. Images 4-17 are by Clayton Bruster, and all of Clayton's images are marked (C) "All Rights Reserved." (e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos...) And to...
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- Anthony Citrano
A great reason to establish your social media plan of attack parameters long before a crisis, so as to eliminate (or at least reduce) opportunity for error. This realm of reporting will continue to extend its reach into territories that continue to test the scope and spirit of traditional media. An editor must also wonder at which point does the life of a reporter (photographer) transfer to and from personal and professional.
- FidelGonzales
interesting. Good to see the L.A. Times chime in, but it does seem pretty sloppy that it would appear that *still* all rights reserved photos are showing up in the stream. I just looked at it and the first photo that was pulled up was an all rights reserved one: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
The first photo that now shows up for me is also "all rights reserved" - http://www.flickr.com/photos... The second photos doesn't have a link (probably due to a too long description). Number 3 is this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos... LOL!
- Holger Eilhard
Guess people need to start sending invoices. Maybe we should post onto the photo's comments that 'did you know the LAT is currently using your image?'
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
I thought photos were "free like the air". Invoices would certaily be the way to go
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Not to be obstreperous here -- but again I ask -- how is LA Times use any different than what happens on FriendFeed?
- Brian Sullivan
oh, my nightmare continues... I assumed the widget was taken down. I have now corrected it, with a version that should eliminate any of your photos from being grabbed please check in a few minutes, also might need to clear cache and reload page. I apologize for these series of mistakes.
- Sean Connelley
ok, I just checked... it does not appear to be loading any "All Rights Reserved."... Anthony to your question of why I didn't just check. I should of and I didn't, I wish I had a better answer. Can I ask this group a question. Seeing as you all seem to be passionate flickr user's and photographers. Do you see any value and/or need in a widget like this? Of course, a widget that worked correctly and respected copyrights and provided links back to the owners
- Sean Connelley
side note - the power of FF! This would have not gotten visibility on FB due to the way privacy works over there
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Sean, Yes this is a very cool idea, as long as you respect copyrights. It is a great way to croudsource news, as long as your not outsourcing your photographers.
- MikeDeal / ZoneDancer
@Jeff: truth is, this has nothing to do with the power of FF. @Brian: asked and answered. @Sean: it looks to be fixed now, if a bit sparse.
- Anthony Citrano
Sean, absolutely see value in a widget like this and am actually impressed by the ways that the L.A. Times is embracing social media. You guys are ahead of the curve in that regard.
- Thomas Hawk
Anthony -- I'm glad that it is now working correctly and again apologize for the inconvenience I caused you and other flickr users. Unfortunately, the results now are a little discouraging but I what can you do. I'm just happy that it is working correctly now and learned a pretty good lesson from this. I'm going to try to expand my search tags to see if it helps bring in more content...
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- Sean Connelley
So the Los Angeles Times Thinks It's OK to Rip Copyrighted Photos From Flickr? on Flickr - Photo Sharing! http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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My 16,000th Photo Uploaded to Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Rui, Slade Publishing, David Cook and 194 other people liked this
16,000 down, 984,000 to go.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Not long to go!
- Andrew Trinh
And what a fine one it is! Congrats
- Michael Fidler
it'd definitely going to take me a while to get to a million. I'm publishing about 200 photos to flickr a week right now and at this pace it will take 92 years to get there. I'll get the pace up to 400-500 a week in the future though. Better technology should make processing easier and someday my kids will be grown and I'll be able to quit my day job and focus on this even more. The best photos have yet to be taken.
- Thomas Hawk
When I think about this I realize your best days are ahead of you.
- Russellreno
That is a great photo
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
What's your shot/publish ratio? I mean, on average how many shots do you take to produce those you publish?
- Yuval Atzmon
atzmon, I probably average about 2,000 shots a week that I shoot. And I'm probably processing 300 or so of those a week at present, so I'm probably keeping about 15%. The other 85% never get processed and are kept in my archives. I'm trying only to process and publish the shots that I think meet a certain quality criteria.
- Thomas Hawk
Wow and Congrats!!
- Vox
Dude, you're a machine.
- Zee.
Jauder, the good news is that processing will only get easier in the future. I've watched it get better with each successive Adobe release. Lightroom 2.0 is the best processing tool yet. It's not necessarily faster per se though because with more tools there are yet even more ways to tweak a photo hence even more time. But the tools to speed things up are coming too. auto geotagging, better anti dust tech, faster processing speeds, easier online tools with faster broadband are all around the corner.
- Thomas Hawk
16,000 ?? Yikes. Cool number. Congrats.
- Charlie Anzman
big numbers means someone (Thomas) is dedicated to his art. He is pretty talented as well!
- Michael VanDervort
from twhirl
Perseverance furthers.
- Michael Markman
This photo is total awesome. It is made even more awesome by the knowledge that there are 15,999 more photos just as awesome as this one. EDIT: This photo is now my desktop background. :)
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Congrats!
- J. McConnell
beautiful, congrats!
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
Awesome!! Keep going Thomas!! beutiful work... YOU are such an inspiration... thanks!
- Susan Beebe
congrats Thomas!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Damn that is all kinds of awesome.
- Mattb4rd
<3
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Wow, quite an accomplishment!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Great job Thomas. Keep it up.
- Andrew Smith
Congratulations.. keep going! we'll be watching :)
- Juan Pablo González
Congratulations Thomas!
- Holger Eilhard
Congrats & cheers TH. Your images confirm, you are, indeed, sui generis.
- Dave Martin
Beautiful shot! Congrats for achieving this landmark!
- Muhammad Ahmed
Amazing image ,,, TH ...
- johnpiercy
Always loved that quote " The best photos have yet to be taken. - Thomas Hawk"
- johnpiercy
Congrats, I even don't think I took so many photos in my life. :)
- Ferhad Fidan
from fftogo
@thomas: Yahoo should be giving Flickr to you for free. You'd do a great job with it. And it would be historical: the first user-generated (company) acquisition :)))
- Alberto D'Ottavi
from fftogo
Beautiful!!!!
- Rafael Montilla
awesome!!
- Rhoda Meek
For 1M images you could do a multi-part movie (1080p) miniseries averaging an hour per episode.
- Jay Cuthrell
wow from last year, I'm almost at 29,000 photos uploaded to flickr now.
- Thomas Hawk
And only 971,000 to go ... :P
- Rene Wirtz
That's Awesome!
- John Holzer
Keep 'em comin' Thomas!
- Charlie Anzman
I guess the metier of 'photo editor' is kaput...or, at least, greatly altered....
- Chris Gulker
You know they are going to delete your account without warning once you hit 999,999, right? :)
- Ace
Ace, I hope not, I'd be so pissed. Actually I think alot of what gets me so upset about all the content/account deletion issues is that I really do worry that it actually will happen to me. Flickr staff hates me and they'd *love* to delete my account. I worry that I'll wake up one morning and everything will have been nuked. I suppose that's why I'd like to see them enact the ability to...
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- Thomas Hawk
Holyshit! You have taked just couple of photos...
- k00pa
Why your flickr page says 28,974 items ?
- k00pa
Because this post is from September last year k00pa :)
- Simon Wicks
@Chris Gulker. Someday I hope to work with a photo editor. God knows I need to. I like to think of my Flickrstream today more as the raw material in a lot of ways for future projects. A good photo editor adds tremendous value to shaping a photographer's imagery.
- Thomas Hawk
TechCrunch Gets to the Heart of the Matter on the Flickr Obama/Joker Censorship Issue - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Benjamin Taylor, Kenton, Pete Delucchi and 16 other people liked this
Mike Arrington over at TechCrunch gave his own opinion on the recent Flickr Censorship issue regarding the removal of the Obama/Joker image and I think it’s one of the best that I’ve seen on the issue yet in a post entitled “Free Speech, Where’s the Courage“:
- Thomas Hawk
Cool, thanks for sharing this Thomas!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
best friends http://acidcow.com/pics... (via http://friendfeed.com/fotogra...)
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alexxandra, Renchin(Reina), Franz Sittampalam and 83 other people liked this
so cutie..
- Myrna
Super CUTE!
- Sherry
x_x
- Anna Haro
Sherry, Anna <3
- Myrna
What're adorable they are!
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
これは大変に可愛い女の子と犬の写真。この感じだと、多分、犬は女の子に対して上目線っぽい。
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
AWWWWW
- Kevin Winn
haha.. so funny..
- Henysie
Adorable. BTW, what's that car?
- Adrian
41 kere maşallah :)
- Aykut Önen
awwwwwwww....
- Kamamiya
Adorable;-)
- Gate53
Adrian, car? Who saw the car? I was too busy lapping up the joy of the moment. :)
- Myrna
Flickr: The Help Forum: [Closed] My account was deleted without warning or notice. No reply from flickr. - http://www.flickr.com/help...
Yaniv Golan, Владимир, Lars Clausen and 11 other people liked this
"To whom it may concern, I have written several times asking why my account "adoniel" was deleted several days ago without any previous notice or warning but I have yet to receive a formal reply from Flickr with an explanation. I am a professional photographer and all the content in my photostream was my own work, creation and intellectual property. I also don't believe I had posted any content that would have been deemed inappropriate or violated your guidelines. I am very disappointed as I had spent a great deal of time uploading my photos, tagging and adding descriptions. Your actions are extremely inconsiderate and highly questionable. I was about to upgrade my account to a Pro 2-year account, but I am very glad I did not upgraded. I would prefer to spend my money elsewhere if this is how you treat your customers. You have certainly lost my trust, business and support. I am writing to Yahoo Inc, your parent company to let them know exactly how you run this web site and treat customers. I am very disappointed with your actions and lack of communication. Sincerely, Edelson C. Flores Flickr: "adoniel""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
And flickr permanently and irrevocably deletes yet another user account with no warning and no recourse. And of course lock the thread where the user complains about it to try and cover it up.
- Thomas Hawk
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
it's just so typical. I'm not sure what it will take to get them to stop doing this. Censorship sucks.
- Thomas Hawk
Censorship yes, in this case probably not the content of the photos; definitely the mistakes of their happy trigger finger personnel.
- gwendolen
I sometimes wish there were two Flickrs. Ones for the folks with bare skin phobia and one for the rest of the world.
- gwendolen
Very VERY bad customer service. But typical of Flickr.
- Chris Nixon
Flickr staff has responded with 'Hello- this is best handled via Help by Email, not the Help Forum.' This should have been resolved privately before adoniel took it to the Help Forum. I personally feel mistakes are best handled by an apology and restoring service.
- gwendolen
This is crazy! I don't want to spend time uploading photos (and I have hundreds of them for my business) and then have this sort of thing happen. Makes me leery of having my stuff over there.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Ultimately, when you're not paying someone to host your data (Flickr, FaceBook, etc.), you can't be sure that it's always going to be there. I know that lots of people use these services and that they offer functionality that isn't available in some other places, but I think you get what you pay for. I'm a big fan of Smugmug for this (among other) reasons.
- amygeek
@amygeek This happens to paid accounts too. I have a paid account. Flickr's policy of just deleting accounts without warning is inexcusable, paid account or not.
- gwendolen
Yeah, I have heard of several cases of people with paid accounts being deleted with no warning.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
Guess what is arriving in the mail on Friday?!?! Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM Lens. WOO HOO!!
Helen Sventitsky, vicster is..., ialla and 32 other people liked this
Amazon Affiliate link to product - http://bit.ly/7Fce0
- Justin Korn
/me jealous
- JA Castillo
Awwww, thanks man! You shouldn't have. :-)
- Jeremy Brooks
I finally broke down. I needed another lens for my 5D.
- Justin Korn
Jeremy - You are not to talk with your Mark II !! :)
- Justin Korn
Is this to replace a lens or just adding to your collection?
- ronin
this is a great lens. i predict that this will become your walk around lens. enjoy it man. looking forward to seeing the results.
- Carlos Ayala
I miss having a zoom.... I'm interested to see what you think of it.
- Jeremy Brooks
ronin - this will be my new walk around (not fully replacing anything yet). I currently have the 50mm on my 5D and 18 - 55mm f/2.8 on my 20D (which is by far my favorite lens right now). I might eventually sell off my 18-55, but it will certainly be hard to part with.
- Justin Korn
Jeremy - me too. this is why this lens is showing up on Friday :)
- Justin Korn
I have an EF 24-70 f2.8 that I use as my walk around lens on my 5D mkii. I have had my eye on this lens for a while for two reasons. 105mm extra reach beyond 70 and IS. I have read mixed reviews of the image quality of this lens (mostly great) compared to the 24-70. I'd sure like to hear your opinion of this lens once you have time to shoot with it for a little while.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff - I rented the 24 - 70 when I shot my last wedding and really liked it. I was VERY split on the two and REALLY wish canon had a 24 - 105 2.8 IS, but at last, I had to pick. I choose this one for the extra reach and the IS. In the end, I think the 2.8 would be nice to have, but I could live without it. AND, when I do need the 2.8 (planning ahead), I can rent the 24 - 70 or just pick up my 20D with the 18-55.
- Justin Korn
Guess who's going to mug your mailman on Friday? :-) Nice glass my friend. Nice glass. Enjoy.
- Morgan Haley
Morgan - if only you knew where the shipment was going to: work or home :)
- Justin Korn
from IM
Morgan - you take home, I'll take work. One of us will get lucky. :-)
- Jeremy Brooks
ah crap, you've got me covered...or do you?
- Justin Korn
from IM
that has been my walk-around lens for the past 2 year. good choice!
- meckimac
Interesting. I've been looking to replace my 17-40mm f/4m on my 40D. Also looking at the 70-200mm f/4 IS.
- Peter Kruit
@Peter - I think my next purchase will be either a Macro (100mm Sigma or Canon) or the beefy 70-200 f/2.8 IS
- Justin Korn
Peter - I have the 70-200/4.0 IS and it's really a great lens - so small and light compared to the 2.8 version. I don't dread traveling with it at all.
- Brian Johns
Today. Is. Friday. :D
- Derrick
HELLS YES!! Still waiting anxiously...
- Justin Korn
UPS: SAN FRANCISCO,CA, US 07/10/2009 5:15 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY -- WHOO HOO!
- Justin Korn
Looking for similar specs in a Nikon lens
- Alan Morris
*fist bumps Justin and offers a Hoegaarden*
- Derrick
Thanks for the beer! *clink*
- Justin Korn
from IM
Alan - Sorry, I don't know Nikon lenses to suggest anything.
- Justin Korn
from IM
Closest on the Nikon side would be the 24-120 f/3.5-5.6 AF-S VR which doesn't have as good of a rep as the Canon.
- ronin
Alan - you might just want to swtich over to Canon :)
- Justin Korn
from IM
congrats - great gear !
- VictorB
*eeeeeeeeeekkkkkkk*
- Justin Korn
Was that a girlish shriek of joy or horror? =)
- ronin
Joy for the recieval, horror because someone just walked into my office and picked up my camera with new lens and started poking at it! I said, BACK OFF! :)
- Justin Korn
from IM
For future reference, Justin, I'm a big fan of the open hand slap in the mouth. Works wonders. :D
- Derrick
Awesome!
- Mitchell Tsai
Let us know how you find the pincushion/barrel distortion. I'm interested in moving from the 24-70 to the 24-105.
- Brian Johns
Finally put this lens to good use last week at an event I was shooting. I must say, it's an AMAZING lens. Pics might make it to Flickr and/or blog soon.
- Justin Korn
Picked up a #photography gig for tomorrow evening. Not sure if I'll be allowed to post pics or details, but I'm stoked!
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Holly crap! Didn't realize FriendFeed integrated # tags! That's awesome....have I been away from FriendFeed for that long?!?
- Justin Korn
Wicked! Have fun, man.
- Bryan Villarin
Thanks Bryan! If things go well, this client might become a regular!
- Justin Korn
Your Guide to Making Fine Art Prints - http://blog.epicedits.com/2009...
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As much as I love my Canon 135 f/2 lens it looks like I'll have to send it back into Canon for the *5th* time for repair for the exact same damn problem. The lens has stopped autofocusing again correctly -- looks like I'll be out another $180 since their repair warranties only last 6 months.
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I've got 2 lenses with dirt inside the lens messing up all my pictures. I'm going to have to take them in for cleaning soon, not looking forward to it.
- Jesse Stay
bummer. :(
- Anthony Citrano
That sucks. What did they say was the issue the first 4 times they fixed it?
- ronin
sorry to cont someone else's thread in yours but i'm not pro pic ppl, and you are so here goes: whats a good cam for under $1000
- chaz2b
Chaz - hmm, why do you call yourself ThreadKiller? ;-p
- Anthony Citrano
sarcasm, mob-name, poor humor...
- chaz2b
Is it caused by wear/tear or is it a production problem? If Canon gets this lens back every timbecause of poor assembly or something, they should not charge you for a recurring problem.
- Rene Wirtz
It's been the same problem every single time. The autofocus just stops working when trying to autofocus far away. Even when manually focusing I have to really spin the focus ring to get it to focus far away. It works fine within say 20 feet, but longer distances won't focus. Chaz, in general with less than $1,000 I recommend people look at used Canons and Nikon bodies from some of the...
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- Thomas Hawk
thankyou, ;)
- chaz2b
Rene, I'm pretty hard on my gear, but I don't think I should have the problem as often as I do. Unfortunately only once did the problem fall under the too short 6mo. warranty that Canon gives on their repairs. As much as I love this lens I think the focus rings are probably poorly manufactured on this lens in general and I just see it more than most because i use the lens every day.
- Thomas Hawk
Warranty wouldn't cover same problem even if after the warranty period? I'd seriously argue this. AMEX does quite a good job of covering consumers, perhaps other credit cards too.
- jcunwired
This would make a strong case for you to get Canon to fix this for free. You are using a lot of their equipment and this does not seem to be a "user error". Of course, it is hard to prove that it is not wear/tear.
- Rene Wirtz
Amex only covers 90 days after initial purchase. I agree. I think if the problem is a repeat (especially after *5* times) that Canon should do better than just to charge me another $180 to fix my wagon again.
- Thomas Hawk
Unfortunately though Canon is completely disconnected from their users and customer opinion on this doesn't matter. Although I like my Canon set up and recommend Canon, I hate the company and wish they had better customer service.
- Thomas Hawk
Three words: Better Business Bureau
- Rene Wirtz
How I use Facebook. Log on real quick to very quickly confirm pending friend requests. Keep my fingers crossed that nobody starts chatting at me on the IM thingy. Quickly log off, whew! Made it on and off again alive -- less than 60 seconds.
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I do the same, however I have changed the chat thingy to always be offline so there is no danger of being interupted ;)
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
how do you do that Travis?
- Thomas Hawk
Ha, you turn the chat thing off. Under the "Options", just set it to "Go Offline".
- Rafael Robayna
LOL, Thomas = FB n00b... kidding! What Rafael said...
- Jorge Escobar
but if it takes me too much time to log on and change it, they might start chatting at me again while I'm online. Might have to try to do this late at night when nobody's on there.
- Thomas Hawk
where is this "options" under settings?
- Thomas Hawk
Omg, I thought I was the only one that did that! I do the exact same thing!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Ha! You're stealing my moves ;)
- Micah Wittman
ok, cool, I went offline. I feel much safer now. Maybe I'll just leave facebook open in a tab for the rest of the afternoon now just because I can. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
TH, sorry I was beat to the answer whilst checking out some othe entries.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Is that something I can execute quickly or should I wait until 3 a.m. tomorrow morning?
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Haha - @jannifer - it's best to wait til the middle of the night. But, once it's done - you never have to worry again!!!! Muahahahahahaha.
- Justin
@jannnifer, I don't believe the fb chat has an 'xxx has come online popup', so it should be fine to do it whenever... Unless someone is watching the chat window but I have found it sooo flaky, one second it says someone is online, then you click their name and suddenly they are not... Wait... What... Damn!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
30 seconds and I am done.
- ashish
Cool, thanks for posting this Thomas, I've just done the same and don't need to be afraid to go online on FB anymore.
- Kenton
LOL. I used to do the same until I found out that the chat settings can be turned off. I was even happier when I found out I could hide all those stupid quizzes. Facebook isn't such a bad thing when you've got control over your content.
- Carrie
I actually like the chat thingy... I have installed a chat plugin to keep those on facebook chat on my Pidgin im client in linux. :) I can only chat with some friends from facebook and I don't like to keep the fb page open.
- Thirteen
hear hear to that Thomas. Same.
- Thomas Power
You can turn off the IM thingy. :)
- Alex Scoble
@ThomasHawk... that's pretty much my approach, only I stay a little longer to do a few 'jobs' in that FB Mafia game, bank my illicit cheddar, and then log off...
- .LAG liked that
I only access visit facebook.com to accept friend requests, see suggested friends and sometimes a few friends pictures.
- Frederick Bvalani
Me too!!
- Andrew Terry
I do the same!
- Rick Cogley
Interesting!Mine is in the reverse order.I log in,turn Off the Chat,Confirm Friend requests and log off Quick before I get noticed!
- Samuel Ochanji
Thomas and I use FB in exactly the same manner. I would have to had an initial step, though "Only remember to log into FB when I read the word 'FaceBook' on FriendFeed".
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
There's nothing wrong with ignoring IM requests. It's the modern form of call screening.
- sean808080
Mine is set to 'offline' but its mostly to deter the creepy Indian guy...
- Shannon
I get too distracted by all the app requests.
- James Hague
Disable apps, turn chat offline, only friend people you really want to share with/from, and use friend lists aggressively.
- LogEx
I hate FB
- BEX
Glad that I am not the only one using FB that way! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Well, I stay logged into Facebook IM with Adium, but otherwise I don't get on Facebook unless it sends me some kind of email notice.
- Jason Huebel
from iPhone
just log out of chat! Though hanging around on FB is not a great prospect anyway.
- WorldofHiglet
I did find the HS grad pic via a classmate's upload to FB.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
that's exactly how i use facebook... my afk friends aren't into tech really and all have a million apps and if they want to get in touch with me they have my phone number
- Chris Heath
I keep chat offline. If I'm looking for someone like my mom, i turn it on real quick, if she's not there, it's off again. :)
- Karoli
Social networking for the anti-social FTW!?!
- Adam Turetzky
Hey, that's how I use Facebook too.
- τorƍue
Same here. Include 'unsubscribe from any application notifications if possible'
- Лосось норвежской выделки
I turned the chat off and only go on it the chat when I have some spare time ;)
- Nicholas James
Yes! Same here.
- Anthony Citrano
Disabling comments on FF is pretty much 100% the same as locking threads at Flickr. Thread locking sucks. Personally I won't frequent groups on Flickr anymore where they lock threads. Why invest time in conversations only to have them end up locked? The best conversations on the internet are the uncensored ones.
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I think locking should only be available the owner of the thread is the only commenter.
- Kol Tregaskes
what they could allow is the reader to show or not show comments. expand or collapse.
- SolidSmack
I won't be using this to stop a thread when it gets 'out of hand'. I'll use it for announcements and sticky posts.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm not saying it's wrong for FF to add this functionality by the way. I'm just saying 100% that I will never ever ever use this feature not once and that if someone uses it consistently I'll probably stop commenting on their items.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd also like to see the ability to make an individual thread private.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just Sunday I got sucked into yet another conversation about Flickr deleting another user's account without warning or explanation only to have the thread locked by flickr staff. I think the offense there was that I called someone a sycophant and someone else accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Really stupid things to lock a thread over, but then again flickr staff was probably eager...
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- Thomas Hawk
What about inviting people to view private threads too? Sort of like Flickr's or Picasa's "Guest Pass" option for specific photos?
- Tyson Key
LOL. Yeah it's how it's used and also policed that is important. It's open to abuse! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Tyson, you mean DMing?
- Kol Tregaskes
Aah, good point Kol. But I'm thinking of adding people after the fact.
- Tyson Key
(I don't think you can do that at present, short of trying to reshare a DM and hoping that the recipient sees it as you want)
- Tyson Key
Tyson, yep but that's a generally suggestion, i.e. the ability to add/remove feeds for existing entries. Definitely needed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
thomashawk That what I am afraid of also, that people will stop conversation just because people disagree with them, or say something they don't like. Conversation can be pretty boring if there is no argument.
- Kim Landwehr
from IM
exactly Kim. I fear that people will abuse this tool, like they've done at flickr. They (Flickr staff) literally locked a thread I was participating in on Sunday because someone accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Who the hell cares if someone accuses me of wearing a tinfoil hat? A totally stupid thing for Flickr to lock a thread over. I'm not worried about FF staff locking threads at least, but some members here with especially thin skin could abuse this.
- Thomas Hawk
In hindsight, I'm actually a little surprised to see thread/commenting muting get more backlash than "vanilla" deletion or even editing them (but I feel that lets people get away with "putting words in each other's mouths" as so to speak), given that it's non-destructive to the content/existence of the said comments. Still, there are plenty of ways around it, but I disagree in general with thread muting.
- Tyson Key
the other thing is, I suspect if heated conversations do get locked you'll simply see the most heated participants start new threads saying things like, "Since that Prick so and so just locked this thread over here (with link) I thought I'd restart the conversation here where it can happen uncensored." Not sure how effective this will be, but at least for the user who locked the thread it will keep additional comments off their blog if they've got that plug in installed.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, exactly. Thankfully re-sharing is not affected by disabled commenting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Will group admins on FF be allowed to lock threads not started by them in groups that they admin on FF? Or will only the originator of a thread be allowed to lock it?
- Thomas Hawk
I'll find out... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes.
- Kol Tregaskes
I can see reasons for this. I'm an admin at a forum and sometimes I have to lock a thread because the "conversation" degenerates into a pointless argument between two people. Generally, it's a "time out." Sometimes I'll split the pointless argument into another thread (because nine times out of ten the argument is off-topic) and reopen. When two (or more people) bring their personal feud to ANY topic, it's distracting and kills conversation.
- Julie Barrett
Imagine if we had this when the Art Incident(TM) happened a while ago. I could have seen things degenerating into even more chaos... :(
- Tyson Key
yeah, it does look like group admins can lock threads in their groups not started by them. Oh well. I don't use groups very much anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Art Incident?
- Kol Tregaskes
Your reshare of the DeviantArt photo of the angsty lady in red, of course, Kol. ;)
- Tyson Key
I see, I wouldn't have disabled comments though. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I would have done what I did in the thread and tried to ease the anger. I think disabling commenting there is where the feature could be deemed as being abused. Like I say if you use it for announcements and stickies then fine. But preferably I'd like to disable comments from the start, post the comments then re-enable them.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I'll probably not use the feature at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
I can see uses for the feature, so I'm happy to see they've added it. Whether I use it or not doesn't really matter.
- Jason Huebel
Somebody needs to write a Greasemonkey for this, allowing you to rename the feature. I suggest "Enable Arrington hates hearing that he could be wrong option" with a big red button next to it as a default value.
- Andy Bold
"This thread has been Arringtonned", Andy? ;)
- Tyson Key
I think if FFers abuse the disable comments feature to shut down disagreement, then they'll start losing followers or getting blocked themselves. I doubt that I would use it myself unless a thread got really off-topic (and not in a good way) or somehow became abusive. Simple name-calling isn't itself a good reason to shut down a discussion.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
John, tell that to Flickr Staff. Apparently they think simple-name calling is in itself a good reason to shut down a discussion-- especially if the discussion is critical of their employer Yahoo/Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/help... They also think it's ok to edit the OP's critical words in addition to shutting his thread down.
- Thomas Hawk
Perhaps an interesting alternative is to permit the disable comment feature only on threads with zero comments. After the first comment the option is disabled. What do you think of this possibility?
- guillaume sempe
from iPhone
Guillaume, I like that option better myself, but I imagine it runs contrary to why this tool was implemented in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
I agree! There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'.
- Jeff P. Henderson
very true! censorship sucks!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
"There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'" how about respect?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
+1 Guillaume and Igor. Sadly, respect isn't something that can be enforced by the touch of a button, as nice as that would be to see, in a perfect world... :(
- Tyson Key
Tyson, that is why we need to to protect respect, because we are losing it. Blocks do not foster respect and never will. If I see you one a street, are you going to Block me? Are you going to call police and say, "I blocked this guy!" LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Not at all.
- Tyson Key
arguments and fights do not start by themselves. U may disagree with someone but there is no need to call that person a Troll or a Jerk. Imagine if you call someone a Jerk or a Troll on a street! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls. I think they generally make the conversations more interesting personally.
- Thomas Hawk
oh thanks Thomas, u can adopt me! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Will http://forcryingoutloudpeanut.... do, in the meantime? ;)
- Tyson Key
;-) should I change my avatar? hahahha
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor, I've already got four kids and can't be adopting any more trolls. But I certainly appreciate a good troll when they decide to show up.
- Thomas Hawk
thanx, I will try to come around from time to time, as long as there is food! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls, they stamp around a lot arguing and shouting and live under bridges, oh wait what do you mean not those trolls Dang sorry please continue
- Kim Landwehr
Locking threads or disabling comments stops it being a conversation. There's no point in putting your stuff out there unless you are going to talk about. Unless of course you ego is too small to take criticism, but if you were really that shy/easily bruised, why woul dyou put your stuff out there at all??
- Paul OFlaherty
that's it, I'm locking this thread. I'm tired of all you damn people.
- Thomas Hawk
thread locked
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
just joking.
- Thomas Hawk
I pace a lot. Especially while on the phone or trying to solve a problem.
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Me too!
- Tudor Bosman
from email
me three! More on the phone than trying to solve a problem, and I prefer to pace in the backyard when on the phone.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Yeah, Rachel, same here. And as I didn't have very much privacy in the house where I grew up, I developed this habit (that Jeanette finds a bit annoying) of always seeking a private space to hold phone conversations in, even when I'm not talking about anything private or embarrassing.
- Tudor Bosman
Rachel: I used to start in the backyard too but would sometimes end up blocks away without realizing how far I'd walked.
- Benjamin Golub
Me too. But my Pace is a well known picante sauce and I usually do it with chips. :D
- Josh Haley
Tudor, that is cute. Like what the closet or the bathroom?
- Rachel Lea Fox
Ben, blocks away? wow! you need a walled in yard like us so that you can't wander off!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Josh, ha ha!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Rachel: a different room, or, if that's not possible, the bathroom.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, darn, I pictured you in the closet behind the coats talking on the phone. ;)
- Rachel Lea Fox
Yup. I hate being on the phone. Constantly walking around until I am off the line.
- Jeremy Brooks
Ben, I think you started pacing when you were about 10. That's when I first remember seeing you do it.
- Marci Golub
This is where earplugs have become very useful.
- Megen Vo
It’s no surprise broadband internet sucks in the US - http://www.raoulpop.com/2009...
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We in the Netherlands are 6th. 36% of the connections are 5 Mbps or faster. But prices are not as low as in Romania.
- Daan
The average income in the Netherlands is also much higher than in Romania. Average monthly income in Romania is about 285 Euro. See this for more: http://www.raoulpop.com/2009...
- Raoul Pop
7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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My friend Robert Scoble has a blog post out talking about the reasons why FriendFeed is not seeing the sort of growth that Twitter and Facebook are. Personally I consider FriendFeed to be a vastly superior platform to both Facebook and Twitter, but it is interesting noting that it does not seem to be getting the traction of these other services. That said, I think that there is a huge opportunity for FriendFeed to better engage a very large existing community that is Flickr and to offer power user sort of tools for Flickr’s most active users. I’ve already written in the past about how I think the existing version of FriendFeed represents a superior way for people to browse Flickr than Flickr itself, but I think that FriendFeed could go a lot further and could definitely attract more (and super active) Flickr users if they improved things even more. So this list represents seven ways that I think FriendFeed could build a better way to engage with the Flickr Community. It should be...
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- Thomas Hawk
I gave up browsing Flickr when I found FriendFeed well over a year ago. I have many, many groups for browsing photography on FriendFeed. In particular my Flickr Photography group: http://friendfeed.com/flickr-...
- Kol Tregaskes
Agree about importing your Flickr contacts, been asking for that for eons. Similar request for importing non-FF Twitter friends would be cool too. I've manually added my favourite Flickr photographers, a chore, so an automated feature would be most welcome.
- Kol Tregaskes
Freind Feed is great at being Freind Feed and Flickr is great at being Flickr
- Kevin J Hatton
Quick tip if you do import your Flickr streams as a custom RSS into FF, use Ivan's Feed-Buster: http://feed-buster.appspot.com/ to get larger thumbnails.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kevin I disagree. Both are great services for what they are. But Flickr no longer innovates. They are a static service sort of on autopilot. There's a need for power users to grow beyond what Flickr currently offers and fortunately Flickr has a robust API where these users can flock to things like greasemonkey scripts and FriendFeed to improve their Flickr experience. People like Kol...
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- Thomas Hawk
Agree with point 6 too. That would be cool. Also the ability to separate Flickr user's favourites and their own photos would be most welcome. I like to have a group for each separately.
- Kol Tregaskes
I actually wish FF would not import Flickr photos in batches. They wouldn't do that with any other kind of imported media, and I think it makes it difficult to have any sort of engaging discussion around photos on FriendFeed.
- Michael Hocter
how would you suggest they import flickr photos instead Michael?
- Thomas Hawk
Point 7 sounds interesting. The saved searches are OK but the Best of Day/Week/Month feature would be great for this if it worked on searches.
- Kol Tregaskes
One at a time, just like they do any other feed item. I understand why this would be a pain for Flickr favorites and people who post in huge batches at a time, but most of us only post a few photos at a time.
- Michael Hocter
I like being able to see the Flickr favorites of other FFers since I find new and interesting Flickr users that way, much more than I do through Flickr itself. I don't mind having them come in batches. A particularly interesting photograph can always be given its own post.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Michael, I'm OK with that, what annoys me though is when it imports a batch, you go fave more then it reimports them and removes the old import with all the comments and likes. I'd like to fave a batch of pics, force a redresh, then fave some more then force another refresh and have both these come in as separate batches.
- Kol Tregaskes
I guess I think showing photos one at a time would be super noisy. For someone like me who imports about 300 photos into Flickr a week this would mean 300 separate entries on FriendFeed. I think that would detract from the overall FF user interface and experience. I think they are doing the batch posting fine now, but it's just that they are doing it backwards and opposite of how flickr shows photos on Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, use an RSS feed of your stream with he Feed-Buster service, that's exactly what you're after.
- Kol Tregaskes
Having Flickr photos come one at a time would be really annoying, at least for me. It would crowd out everything else in my feeds.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thomas, like my stream from vi.sualizue.us? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Another feature I'd like: In search, I wish I could separate Flickr uploads from Flickr favorites. I prefer to talk to the people who actually take and upload the photos, but when you search, the majority of photos you see are from Flickr favorites.
- Michael Hocter
Kol, your vi.sualizue.us stream rocks!
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, agree. I've never been able to separate the two.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, thanks Thomas. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael I agree with that idea as well. I think maybe the two can be one by default, but give users an option to split them if they want. I'd much rather be able to view the two independently.
- Thomas Hawk
As the open version of Facebook, Ff needs to develop these relationships and fast. Facebook wants you to use their picture storage, their blog engines, their music addons, keeping you inside the Facebook walls. Ff just as Thomas says, NEEDS to show that they can build something better by letting everyone decide which stand alone services serve their needs best, and all these can be...
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- Matthew DeVries
@Michael - yes! I prefer to know which are faves and which are posts.
- JA Castillo
There are many ways FF could be improved to help us photo-happy people (and most features would benefit the community in general), such as the ability to search for entries with pictures *only* (on it's way I believe), search by date/time, be able to search by selective imported feeds, e.g. I cannot search for my vi.sualize.us images only, etc.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF could even go further and let you sign into flickr and then you can like and comment and it flows back to flickr
- Phill Price
hear hear Phill
- Thomas Power
It would be pretty slick if I could hover over a photo on FF and fave it on flickr. I think that would take more than basic API stuff though.
- Thomas Hawk
@Phill - that would be too much!! I would never leave FF! :)
- JA Castillo
For me, FriendFeed needs to improve for new users. For instances the suggested users list is not the way to go and the lack of introduction to the service's features upon registration is virtually non-existent. When a new user has completed registration it needs a quick and simple Flash anim to demonstrate FF's basic features (an adapted version of one of Ross' videos would be cool),...
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- Kol Tregaskes
Faving a Flickr photo on FF would be super!!
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, exactly. ;-) But that lies the problem, Flickr perhaps wouldn't want that?
- Kol Tregaskes
The suggested users list on FF definitely needs to incorporate activity and not just popularity. That's a whole other subject though.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, yep. Sorry going off in all directions. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I suspect Flickr could be resistant to some of these ideas. After all, attention on the internet is a zero sum game and making FF that much better for hardcore flickr users could siphon off traffic from them. Still, I bet a bunch of this could be done through the API as it stands now.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer to see at least a medium-sized version of a photo before I fave it, so I doubt I would fave through FF if such an option existed. Agreed with most of Thomas's seven suggestions.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
John, yep, bigger versions of the pics are needed, would that watch in the current batches?
- Kol Tregaskes
bigger versions would indeed rock. It would be nice to have a user setting though to either see small thumbnail photos are larger photos. This way the people who are not as interested in the photos as some of us could still choose to see them small. In fact small should probably be the default with a user option to view them larger instead.
- Thomas Hawk
I kind of like the thumbnail batches, and being able to choose which to click through. My comment was specifically about faves – it's hard to pick favorites from just thumbnails.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Another thing I'd like to see changed (or at least be toggleable) is the feature what hides entries under 'more form <service>' on lists. I have lots of photo-related groups in one friends list and having them hidden like this is annoying. Also the hiding of the Flickr photos in the batches is annoying too. Personally I'd like this expanded all the time but a toggle would be nice. I appreciate this might be set-up as it is because of performance.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
More user options for controlling the display of Flickr photos would be helpful.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I'm kind of disappointed in Friendfeed. Too much focus on competing with Twitter, and not enough on what was originally the core idea of aggregating services. And sadly they've de-emphasized service integration so much that I wonder if they'll even keep doing it, let alone improve the integration. And Flickr, for that matter, sucks too - Thomas hit the nail on the head above, Flickr has...
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- Eric P
Eric, I think you're right about Flickr. Flickr's mostly been laying people off these days. They laid off designer George Oates, Engineer Rev Dan Catt, and lots of the other original talent there has left, Cal Henderson, Stewart Butterfield, Eric Costello, Kakul Srivastava recently left the helm of the site as well to work on other things at Yahoo. The last innovative thing that they...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thanks for taking the time to write this up
- Bret Taylor
Bret, you're welcome. I think you guys have the best opportunity to drive a lot more Flickr users over here.
- Thomas Hawk
Love the new logo, lol
- Zachary TG
Hey TH, as always, great ideas from you about improving FriendFeed. I've always felt it's a great adjunct to Flickr. Personally, my social community isn't here (can't get them to join), so FF isn't as useful for me as I'd like it to be (or as it is for people like you and Scoble, etc). Friendbinder is what I've been using to navigate my Flickr contacts (it auto-pulls them all in, and...
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- Criz
Hey Criz, thanks. I'd obviously love to see more innovation via flickr come through FF and especially directly at flickr. Good to know that you guys are working on more than just new buttons. In terms of hiring, the only hire that I'm aware of Flickr announcing in the last year or so (unless I missed it somewhere) was zycster in the "abuse" "customer care" "censorship" bureau vs. the...
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- Thomas Hawk
I still think Google Reader is the most convenient way of browsing Flickr photostreams. I'm testing Feedly for this at the moment and it's doing a quite good job as well.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, film was quite a big new feature on Flickr too.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger, I suppose, adding video was a feature, unfortunately though I think that it was a feature at odds with the flickr community that many in the community saw as more of a negative than a positive. There was a pretty strong and vocal group opposing adding video on Flickr. I've only ever used video on Flickr once (ironically yesterday). Here again, videos are crippled to 90 seconds...
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- Thomas Hawk
I think FF on the other hand has offered us already fairly substantive improvements to the Flickr experience. Being able to see *all* of your flickr contact's photos vs. only the most recent 1 or 5 is huge. So is letting us see our contacts faves. Ideally though we'd get continued innovation from both Flickr AND outside developers like FF building on the Flickr API to best improve the...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yes, but the seeing *all* of your flickr contact's photos can be accomplished in any RSS feed reader really. Has little to do with FriendFeed.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, I am zyrcster, and I am not on abuse :) And I think you'll enjoy what's coming down the pike. I hope so, anyway.
- Criz
Ah, ok, zyrcster. Hopefully it's something good. I thought you were part of the moderation/customer service / abuse/ censorship dept based on the thread in flickr help. I should re-read that thread. Hard to know who's who on the flickr staff when flickr codes the public "about flickr" staff page to purposely hide staff members from me personally. I hope that coding project didn't take much time away from all that innovation going on over there.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
Rutger, Flickr RSS feeds only contain public, "safe" photos... definitely not all of my contacts' photos
- Michael Hocter
Hmm, never knew that, there should be 2 versions of the feed then so we can choose.
- Kol Tregaskes
In fact, I can't even get a decent RSS feed of my own photos out of Flickr because many of them are not "safe"
- Michael Hocter
Or is there an issue from Flickr's point of perspective having such content go outside it's site?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I think it's because they can't authenticate who you are or what your preferences are through RSS
- Michael Hocter
I see. They could have a password protection/authenticated feed but FF doesn't support such feeds.
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL, Mrsth, that's over censoring stuff!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is actually a problem on Flickr's end. They've been censoring your RSS feed now for years. They won't allow any content deemed "adult" to be sent out of Flickr via RSS. It's incredibly stupid in my opinion. I'd love to be able to subscribe to Merkely's nudes (which very much are fine art) for instance and even though I've checked on Flickr that I'm an adult and want adult content...
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- Thomas Hawk
haha, actually Kol that was me. I was accidentally logged in as my wife though, just got home and was using the home computer.
- Thomas Hawk
What happened there? Posting from your wife's acount? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ah, hehe!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Now the thread reads oddly. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I don't know about you, but I really wish vi.sualize.us would implement FF's SUP or FF spider those streams more often. I end up having to manually get FF to pull them in after I've favorited a bunch or it takes *forever* for them to finally be pulled into the FF stream.
- Mark Philpot
I've not really checked my vi.sualize.us groups, is there a delay in importing?
- Kol Tregaskes
you certainly can easily add a photo as a favourite through the api - all you need is the photo id and the user to have given ff a token by signing in... http://www.flickr.com/service...
- Phill Price
Ah, I did have an issue with my watchlist from vi.sualize.us. I notified them and they checked it and it started working. Are you having problems, Mark?
- Kol Tregaskes
How recent was this? I've just been in the habit of manually refreshing my vi.sualize.us feed. Next time I'll try letting FF get it on it's own and see how long it takes.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, a few weeks ago. I'd buzz them on their site and let them know you are having problems too. Works fine for me atm but they said they are keeping an eye on it.
- Kol Tregaskes
BTW, people on this thread might be interested in this group for vi.sualize.us most popular entries feed: http://friendfeed.com/visuali.... It seems to import dups a lot, which is a problem but it's not a huge issue.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I can now check vi.sualize.us on FF too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, could probably do something similar for your Zooomr too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I just added six to my vi.sualize.us favorites... I'll see how long it takes for them to get imported. -- And a note to any FF developers on this feed -- Please implement a "Comment" link at the bottom of the comments. Especially for long comment streams, it's a pain to have to scroll up to the top to add a new comment.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, OK, any issue go to the vi.sualize.us, they'll help you out. It's their feed after all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If you authenticate with the Flickr API you can get at the "unsafe" photos, FYI. But that would require a deeper level of integration that Friendfeed offers today.
- Eric P
Michael, I think that's quite logical and good actually. All hell would break loose if Flickr allowed access to porn via its feeds. The solution is authenticated RSS feeds in case things would stop working all together here at FriendFeed if you are not creating an imaginary friend for every Flickr contact that is.
- Rutger Blom
+1 faving a Flickr photo on FriendFeed
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
FF is not seeing the growth other services are seeing because it is not designed for the casual, non-technical user the way flickR, Twitter, and Facebook are. An average person can "walk up" to any of those three services and get them almost immediately. By "get them" I don't mean that they understand deeply/optimally how or why to use them but that they can readily get their heads...
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- Anthony Citrano
I think even for a lot of above average users FriendFeed is too obscure.
- Rutger Blom
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Elimination - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I like that you post your whole article to Flickr too. Cool idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
FINALLY pushed my company to launch a social media campaign. It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
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Any suggestions on tools to introduce will be greatly appreciated (Twitter, Facebook, FriendFeed, Bitly, Google Alerts, BackType are all on the list already)
- Justin Korn
TweetBeep, Google Reader, SlideShare...
- Louis Gray
Louis - Thanks! How does TweetBeep do anything beyond what BackType does? I'll checkout SlideShare.
- Justin Korn
Refurbished Camera Equipment: As Good as New if not Better - http://digital-photography-school.com/refurbi...
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An Attempt At Photographing Fireworks - http://blog.justinkorn.com/index...
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really nice, Justin! didn't expect anything less :)
- Tim Hoeck
freaking awesome work!
- Justin
Thanks Tim!
- Justin Korn
from IM
Glad you enjoyed Justin!
- Justin Korn
from IM
As always, very impressive, JK. :^)
- Derrick
Thanks again Derrick :)
- Justin Korn
from IM
well done
- Mitch
Beautiful photo. Reminds me of my own fav lake.
- Jess
Thanks Mitch!
- Justin Korn
from IM
Jess - Thanks! What lake is that?
- Justin Korn
from IM
Dale Hollow (in Northern Tennessee). It's not as open as Tahoe, it winds through canyons. So it's hard to get an over-the-water-shot. Yours is spectacular.
- Jess
I want to start a new photo project photographing strangers. Any tips on best ways to approach the random passerby?
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Make eye contact first. Smile making sure they see the camera. Read their facial and body language. Good luck.
- Russellreno
Good start Russell. Thanks!
- Justin Korn
from IM
I took Shooting Street People from Marc Turnley several years ago. He said say away from the homeless because they are unpredictable, and some will follow you around. Therefore, I started shooting the homeless. Marc's Flickr page. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Russellreno
The more outlandish the clothes, hair and look the more they want to pose.
- Russellreno
I am more comfortable approaching woman in small groups. Stay away from children and anyone under 21. (But you knew that).
- Russellreno
Great tips. I've really been enjoying the BW$P Project (http://bit.ly/tNrfX) I've been doing, which tends to be mostly homeless. I really want to expand on that and have been having trouble working up the courage to ask for a portrait....not sure why.
- Justin Korn
Justin. I saw a video by Frederick Van where he interviewed a guy who was offering free lollipops in exchange for a portrait.
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny - Thanks! I believe I saw that once upon a time. I should go find it a watch it again...
- Justin Korn
I remember seeing a video of a photographer who would just go around, pretty much jumping in front of people and taking their photo. Pretty funny.
- Beau Liening
Beau - I don't want to get killed, so I think I will stay away from that technique :)
- Justin Korn
Justin, when you go to a wedding or large family gathering, who do you hang with the most. Find that type in a park and start a conversation. Also, ask the stranger for advice. Tell them about your project and ask them how they would approach someone. People love to give advice. You haven't asked them to pose directly so they are guarding against a sales pitch. In a few minutes you say thanks, can I get of shot of you before I leave?
- Russellreno
Interesting tips I just found at this link: http://www.100strangers.com/TipsTep...
- Justin Korn
bring donuts
- Geoff Schultz
mmmm....donuts. I might eat them all before offering them up :)
- Justin Korn
do what liber does. buy a little portable printer and go to street fairs and offer to do portraits of people giving them an instant print out print in the process.
- Thomas Hawk
Bring a female friend.
- Kevin Fox
Thomas - interesting idea.
- Justin Korn
from iPhone
Kevin - then I'll just get pictures of dudes hitting on her...
- Justin Korn
from iPhone
365 Portraits, The Book - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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In 2007 Photographer Bill Wadman traveled around the United States and Europe with a single mission. Each day he photographed, edited and posted online a different portrait of a different person. It was a mammoth effort meticulously followed that resulted in one of the most authentic collection of portraits I’ve ever seen. The result, entitled simply 365 Portraits is a significant and beautiful collection of images. I was honored to have been included as a subject in Bill’s Project and think the photo that he took of me is one of the best I’ve ever seen. While Bill shot some famous people in his book (like Astronaut Buzz Aldrin) I found some of his most compelling portraits to be those of everyday people as part of their everyday lives. Here are some of my favorites:
- Thomas Hawk
These portraits are very impressive. It is hard enough just taking a good picture every day, but to take a great portrait of a different person each day for a year is just amazing. I'm very tempted by this book.
- Andy Roth
I bought mine earlier today. I think it's an interesting project with tremendous results and I think it's also a good way to support an artist directly financially while owning a very unique book by an emerging American photographer. Bill's still young and I think he has a huge future ahead of himself as a portrait artist and look forward to his future projects.
- Thomas Hawk
a couple of my favorites (note, the second link is NSFW) http://www.365portraits.com/index... http://www.365portraits.com/index...
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thanks, I reserved a copy today. I'm looking forward to seeing Bill's work on print.
- Eric Thompson
My friends mean the world to me. You are my world. Please, please, don't leave me. No tweeting for the rest of the day, a day of silence.
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And while on the subject, RT @jimgoldstein: 5 Reasons Why MetaData Should be Part of Your Workflow http://www.jmg-galleries.com/blog...
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RT @jimgoldstein: Once again great article by @philcolla on his metadata workflow http://www.oceanlight.com/log...
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What the new breed of photographers really need - http://wildnaturephoto.com/2009...
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Everything pointed out in this post is true and we are far from accomplishing any of it. Anyone interested in talking more about this and possibly taking on such a project...DM me
- Justin Korn
from Bookmarklet
This is something that I have been thinking about quite a lot lately as I am trying to build a webpage for my photos. Would love to hear more of your ideas.
- John Ford
John - I haven't really thought about it in depth yet, but it would be a major project. I'll be thinking more about it over the next few weeks....
- Justin Korn
I will be watching for updates and would love to help out if possible.
- John Ford
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