Panda's are quite possibly the most absurd looking animal second only to the duck billed platypus. It is for this reason that I <3 dem.
- Geoff Schultz
Kungfu Panda is showing his sensitive side! :)
- imabonehead
Wall Street was waiting expectantly to see what the House was going to do on the Bailout Bill... they voted it down, so everyone scrambled to sell on Wall Street and the market tumbled 400 points in the span of a few minutes.
- Jason Carreira
stock market is shakey due to instability of US financials. This instability causes people to sell off stocks (liquidate to cash) to avoid potential cash losses. if this sort of thing goes unchecked, we can watch a spiral affect take down our stocks to dangerous levels, which could precipitate a meltdown on wall street (huge money loses) --> depression. I expect wall street stocks to vacillate back and forth for much of the day - possibly much of this week - as this huge bailout is negotiated.
- Susan Beebe
Our credit system is in shaky state. If they don't have a bailout they stop giving loans to average people (even those with good credit). So, now, we can't buy cars, can't buy houses, can't start businesses. Economy slows down, millions in layoffs, etc. The market knows this and is punishing lawmakers.
- Robert Scoble
Don't forget that Brazil closed their markets early today because they were down 11% after the vote fail.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
My worry is those small companies that count on short term loans to get payroll done. Wait for it, it will happen over the next two weeks if credit doesn't loosen. You think you're punishing CEO's? The real impact will be main street.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Yes, but if we pass the bailout the rich clean up. I saw that there is some hope for homeowners in there, but no guarantee that the banks have to work with us. It's a Hobson's choice
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
"I thought McCain suspended his campaign to lead his party to this agreement."
- Glenn Batuyong
Francine: the rich are the ones who hand out credit. They now will stop. The economy will stop. The rich will still be rich. The poor won't have jobs. Me and you? We get squeezed.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, we're basically a couple weeks from a barter system when the credit markets dry up... a few months after that and we're all starring in Mad Max.
- Jason Carreira
It's a direct effect of not injecting money into the system. The market expected it and it didn't happen so it is correcting. The fact that there was an intra-day bottom is a reasonable sign that these institutions failing isn't as bad as everyone is fearing. Yep, it's gonna hurt. Yea, probably a recession. No, isn't the end of the world.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I think the bottom you speak of, which is trending down again, is that the Republicans have not sworn off the bill, but will reconsider very soon. If they said it was dead, you would see a bigger drop. How many 500 point down days can the economy take?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Congress didn't blink. I think it is good.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Congress DID blink... It's good? It's good to push our economy into recession? It's good to put businesses around the country out of business by drying up the credit markets? Do you own a liquor distributorship or something, 'cause that's going to be the only biz that's profiting...
- Jason Carreira
As a Canadian I wonder how long until our financially stable and healthy banks raid weakened US banks as this meltdown is affecting all banks even the healthy ones in the US.
- Roger Kondrat
today is awesome compared to tomorrow, sep. 30, when everyone cashes out of hedge funds. :-D ICEBERG RIGHT AHEAD!
- Karim
Jason: The bill was bad as drafted. When it is revised it will pass. A better bill is better than a bad bill. We won't be able to throw this much money at the problem again, so we better get it right. And can you ever comment without going ad hominem?
- Oldengrey (Jay)
@Roger, the Toronto Stock Exchange is down over 7% today, even more than the DOW
- Jason Carreira
@Roger, exactly. The world will be buying up America. @Jason, the stock markets are not the financial stability of an economy. Canadian banks may well be in good shape to snatch up interests in US banks while their stock market follows the US down. It likely just means much of Canadian economy depends on the US. It doesn't mean there isn't still money and strength in Canada for investing more in the US.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Then we're exporting Phil Gramm to Canada as an economic weapon of mass destruction to bring your economy down too.
- Jason Carreira
Not sure if Econ class would help. Psychology class, maybe.
- Ontario Emperor
So we're taking down everyone else's economies too. sweet. Man, we suck.
- Erin @queenofspain
English and lit major here. I'm hearing lots of clicks and whistles on my tv
- Erin @queenofspain
Ontario makes an excellent point about Econ not being relevant when compared to Psych. In todays media driven world countries, currencies and pretty much everything else is deeply effected by media due to its effect on people. Is the US in a pickle yes but how big will depend on people's reaction to the Media constantly pushing it. The world economy may just breathe with relief that the US election gives the world something to divide the media's attention with. But...
- Roger Kondrat
I agree with many others that this was due as there are massive trade inequalities. Additionally I have the opinion that those equalities were also due to some major changes that were occurring in the world economy & it is quite possible that when the US recovers it will find the world is a different place. Trade in the Middle East is growing, trade between China and India is growing fast and so on. The world is moving away from a US centric economy & this slow down should accelerate that. Your thoughts?
- Roger Kondrat
I'm actually comfy with the world moving away from a US centric econ. We are not the center of the universe, as we'd like to believe
- Erin @queenofspain
We haven't been the center of the Universe since maybe post WWII. After that, we shared it with the USSR. then with the end of the Cold War nobody needed us.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I would say when the US made up around 50% of the worlds GDP at one point you were the centre :)
- Roger Kondrat
The important thing: there's not enough cash to go around, which the bailout was meant to address. Without sufficient liquidity, borrowing dries up, and everything remotely tied to borrowing suffers.
- Duncan Riley
Large CMS vendors are similar to message board vendors (Propsero, Web Crossing) who have run out of customers and find their market vaporizing. They have no CHOICE but to retool and add "social" to their offerings. This is all part of "bringing social to software" the repercussions will reverberate throughout the software world. In the beg of Aug we'll be able to put the Facebook F8...
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- Marc Canter
Good points Marc, I agree that it software should be socialized. This statement is not true however: "who have run out of customers and find their market vaporizing."
- Jeremiah Owyang
Large CMS vendors are actually doing very well. New CMS projects are being driven by companies looking to better use content to improve the customer experience. This includes adding targeting/personalization capabilities, website optimization, RIA, etc.
- Tom Wentworth
The only way I am likely to anoint you is...OK - let
- Dennis Howlett
from twhirl
You didn't complete your thought Dennis, eh? In either case, welcome back from your long deserved vacation. I found the best way to come back to work was to ease back into it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Sarbanes Oxley is preventing many companes from going social
- paul mooney
you forgot the wealth of open source cms solutions out there, much easier to extend social features within those - as for desire for enterprise to add social to the toolkit offered to employees, desire yes but resisting due to ignorance, fear and risk tolerance - needed though to provide better collaboration - think of something as simple as ff for those you work closely with
- mike "glemak" dunn
your welcome jeremiah - good post btw - i think this is a critical need for enterprise it relevance on a go forward basis especially as gen y enters workforce - they work differently, expect toolkits similar to what they get personally - to many it practitioners are blind to this requirement - if you're on ff reading this i assume you're not btw ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
We all know that there are values embedded in software. The values in a traditional CMS are straight out of the industrial era. These are in direct conflict with the embedded values of social software. I see a huge disconnect, and think that attempts to blend such "different" types of solutions is like trying to combine oil and water.
- Kevin Gamble
Clickability, a CMS SaaS vendor, has a bunch of media and enterprise clients. They offer social media tools: http://www.clickability.com/product... . Also, their "Print This, Save This, Share This" tool you see on most news media sites may have been the first example of "social media." (disclosure: I work for their PR firm).
- Kawika Holbrook
That's a good way to promote the music.
- Russellreno
geez... I didn't know there were drive by shootings with Goths.
- Noah David Simon
More like drive-by SNOOZINGS. Ha ha! Did you see what I did there? Pretty clever! Pret-ty clever...............
- Akiva Moskovitz
they are annoying though. aren't they? If I were Russian I would punish the Goth and Emo kids by making them listen to David Lee Roth in a Clockwork Orange style
- Noah David Simon
Who follows you really doesn't matter in this hyper-connected world. What does matter? Who you listen to, er, follow. I'm looking to follow people who make me smarter and more informed.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting article. I am trying to broaden my horizons using social media as well (which is why I follow you--you and Louis are great info filters for interseting tech news) but there's a lot of interesting blogs that try to disseminate information from other fields tailored to an audience that knows very little/nothing at all about the field. All I've managed to find so far is Deric Bowlind's Mind Blog (Psychology) but it's been a gem and has inspired more than one potential thesis paper.
- Derick Valadao
I'm convinced leaderboards pollute conversations. It should be about the topics, not the numbers.
- Chris Baskind
Personally, I don't know about or look at any of these so don't overestimate their importance. I don't suppose most people care.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Youngest full professor in the history of Harvard. In 1993, he was made a full, tenured professor at the age of 26. In 1987, he proved that an elliptic curve over the rational numbers is supersingular at infinitely many primes. In 1988, he disproved Euler's sum of powers conjecture for fourth powers.
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
Valedictorian Columbia University age 18, summa in Mathematics and Music (He wrote an opera recently). Harvard Ph.D. at age 20.
- Mitchell Tsai
Smartest guy I know. We were in the 1982 Westinghouse Science Talent Search together, and the rest of the 39 finalists were in awe of Noam. It's cool to visit Noam at Lowell House & hear what he's doing, but it's such a stretch for me. I can barely understand the watered-down version of his ideas if I work really-hard. Sometimes we talk about the difficulties of finding a life-partner for the very smart. He just gave up.
- Mitchell Tsai
I thought that was Chris Pirillo with a different haircut :P
- Bwana ☠
@Mitchell I really want to encourage your Science posts (shares), refreshing and interesting!
- michael sean wright
Michael: Thanks. I thought I'd zip through some areas of science and hit the hot people & papers of the past few years. Got a conference this week in Atlanta, but maybe next week when I'm back on FriendFeed, I'll post a bunch.
- Mitchell Tsai
LOL @ Bwana :) Enjoying the posts Mitchell
- Mo Kargas
Incidentally, Noam still uses an e-mail system which DOESN'T show inline pictures or color. Very old school like I used before switching in 1998. Fun to contrast that with FF debates about the demise of Facebook. One of the top two Computer Science professors at UCLA still had his secretary print his e-mails for him in 2000 (Very famous guy).
- Mitchell Tsai
dudes like these make me feel like a complete failure. lol
- Cee Bee
I think Mitchell Tsai is the smartest dude I know on FriendFeed.
- imabonehead
Mo: Thanks. It's a response to Hutch Carpenter's great article about "Who is your Information Filter?" http://friendfeed.com/e... Science here is kinda light, so I might start fishing the top science articles out of journals. Thought I'd start with some of the highlights of the past 10-20 years (post-college years for some of us) before moving on to the cutting-edge stuff.
- Mitchell Tsai
Cee Bee: Don't worry. A lot of these guys have wives/husbands who kid them "If you're so smart, why are we so poor?" Sometimes the business-types try to prop up their egos by saying "We got C's in school, but the guys who got A's work for us". In today's interconnected world, a team of people can do so much more than one person. Look at Wikipedia. No one person or even paid team (like Encyclopedia Brittanica) could compete.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks James. ;-) LOTS of people smarter than me...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: What does he use? Pine? Mutt? Something like that?
- Vincent X
Probably the "mail" program in Berkeley UNIX. It's what I used before working at Microsoft Research in 1998, where I saw Outlook and people highlighting part of inlined messages in multiple colors (and went ah. That's why people are forwarding 8 inline messages in their message). I went back through my old e-mails, and saw lots of places where people had inlined an old message, but highlighted sentences in different colors & fonts. Switched to Outlook immediately.
- Mitchell Tsai
right on mitchell, which reminds me of an article i read a few years back entitled "why smart people underperform"
- Cee Bee
Thanks Mahdi for the info about Alia Subur. Haven't met her yet...
- Mitchell Tsai
Cee Bee: Studies have found that leaders perform best if they are within 20-30 IQ points. Past that, and people don't connect real well. Most high-IQ people don't have the patience to be a CEO of a company today (exception maybe some tech places, debates about this). Usually they are CSOs or CTOs. This is part of FriendFeed's problem. The firehose of stuff here appeals to smart information junkies, but it just won't connect with the general public in this form.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: Nice story. Were you into BBS'ing during the 80s/early 90s?
- Vincent X
Most people have difficulty with the idea of "file directories". The concept of a "desktop" and hard drive are tough. They just click on icons, and rely on IT people to put aliases of their favorite apps on the desktop. FF needs a way to see "interesting stories of today/last 3 days on topics X, Y, Z". A way to see a snapshot of what we see. But a MUCH more manageable (and less intimidating one.... for people who don't have 537 RSS feeds :-).
- Mitchell Tsai
Vincent: Nope. Just internet searching in 1980. Then UseNet newsgroups in 1982. I tried BBSs. Boring.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell - Are you in Atlanta? How long? I'm up the street in Marietta.
- Russellreno
like Cee Bee, this kind of stuff makes me feel like a total loser too... and plus, I'm poor besides!
- Nathan Rein
Russell: Flying in tomorrow night. Let's hook up. Do I have your contact info? Connect with me on LinkedIn. I have Tuesday free (and then next Monday).
- Mitchell Tsai
Nathan: I had a problem at one company, and my 20 engineers & myself couldn't figure it out. Shared with my receptionist, and she had a great solution. A good sign of an "A" person in business is the self-confidence to look everywhere for good ideas and input. It's rare to find that open-mindness. P.S. A lot of the "top" people in the world have _miserable_ lives. Fame, power, & prestige doesn't equal happy. I dropped off the "fast track" in 1990. No fun...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: Hahah. In my case I loved BBS'es. I was only about 9 years old when I got into them, it was a whole new world opening right before my eyes. No opportunities for me to get on the Net back then at that age, but I had a blast on BBS'es, communicating with people, downloading files, etc. It was great!
- Vincent X
The tough challenge of the 21st century for the world: How to use everyone's life productively (not just a few top bosses/Kings/Queens running employees). Social networks & lifestreaming I think are 2 steps in this direction. It cost me $0.00 to set up a FriendFeed account & a Blogger account. That's available to anyone with Internet access.
- Mitchell Tsai
I still use mutt. Mostly because I can edit in Vim.
- Michael C. Harris
I could not find you on LinkedIn. I sent you an email. I use gmail.
- Russellreno
Russell: Got it. Sent you a response via mail.
- Mitchell Tsai
If you name your kid Noam, he's certain to become a genius.
- Brian Carter
Mitchell - keep the science and math coming. Robert Seidman is great at posting articles in those areas. Love to see more.
- Hutch Carpenter
Sure thing Hutch. Love your articles! My #3 favorite after RS/LG.
- Mitchell Tsai
See brightest lady in physics (smarter than the guys) "On Gravity, Oreos and a Theory of Everything" - Lisa Randall, Harvard [Dennis Overbye, New York Times - 11/1/05] http://friendfeed.com/e... and Grigori Perelman, who proved the Poincare Conjecture in 2005 http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
so why is there a picture of l0ckergn0me?
- Alan Cheslow
Great post Mitchell, I love seeing more of this kind of stuff on FriendFeed
- Steve Spalding
"With the clock ticking on his hunt for a running mate, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama spent nearly three hours on Monday meeting with his vice presidential search team and campaign advisers. "
- newsjunk.com
damn, was hoping to make this list. What was the threshold for obscure?
- gregory
Great to read a post like this. Please follow up as you see fit! :-)
- Jim Stanger
wow u put them on blast, hope they can live up to it.
- ChaCha Fance
I'm likin' the way these come back around a week later
- Charlie Anzman
My fault actually, I was having problems with the FF comments widget on my blog, so I did a test -- which worked. But the entry didn't drop back down after I deleted the comment.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I have yet to get this to work. I assume it's due to having a larger friends list than most, but the server always disconnects. As for "big names", we don't have any insight into that. Despite my being here a lot, and using the hide feature a lot, I've been cutting back on who I follow here from almost 400 to about 300. There does come a point when it makes sense to not follow everyone interesting, and rely on FOAF.
- Louis Gray
that's something i've just never cared about though i know its important to some folks - i figure i'm just listening to them if they don't want to listen to me no biggy
- mike "glemak" dunn
Louis, as of earlier today, the limit was 3,000 people in your venn diagram, any more and the list would be truncated. You're probably also hitting some sort of script execution limit, too: I only have about 500 people in my venn diagram, and it takes close to two minutes to complete. It's interesting to see the results from this: I found a good two dozen people who had been following me for months who recently unsubscribed from me, as well as a good 100 or so people I had no idea were following me.
- Mark Trapp
@Mark, yes, I'm over the limit. And even if I didn't follow anybody, I'd be over the limit. :-)
- Louis Gray
8 people you are subscribed to, 39 people who both sub to you and you sub to, 18 people who only subscribe to you. Kinda cool information.
- Bradley McSpinn
Yea. Big names are too busy to follow everyone. Except probably Scoble.
- Winston Teo
Upon further inspection, it appears that I don't tend to subscribe to people who only update via Twitter.
- Bradley McSpinn
@Mike Dunn, I don't really care much either. Just thought it was interesting. I did unsubscribe from most of them anyway, because while they do generate a lot of content, many of them don't really participate.
- Michael Hocter
even I am slowing down on following people.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for felix's app I was able to knock my subscriptions down to 434 -- still hiding profusely. The only big names I follow are the one's that follow me back, with one exception.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
you have to ask at some point though whether its fair that people get 10k + followers and follow 50 people in return. This is FRIENDFEED after all, not lets all follow a few elite people who couldn't care about us at all in return.
- Duncan Riley
You have to ask at some point whether people who follow several thousand other people are putting any thought into who they follow, if they just add anyone they see, and if they actually read or pay attention to the things their "friends" are writing. This is FRIENDFEED after all, not USENET.
- Jason Carreira
You can easily follow a couple hundred people, be able to follow what those people are doing, and break outside the A-list. A lot of people stopped using other social services (like RSS readers and Twitter and such), so I guess it makes sense for them to follow the people who just broadcast, and the great thing about Friendfeed is that it can accommodate those people as well as the people who want to have two-way conversations.
- Mark Trapp
Topic fragmentation again but here goes. How are you using friendvenn?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
duncan: there's no crying in friendfeed ;) mark: you nailed it, friendfeed will accommodate any desired utilization, very configurable to one way push/pull & two way participation (the other thing to remember is foaf allows for ability to see lots of popular folks items w/out having to actually subscribe to them - thus filtering their flow somewhat)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Oddly, I agree with Jason, which is rare. I work plus raise 4 kids. No nanny, no daycare. I can't follow 500 peopleand actually pay attention to what they are saying.
- Cyndy
I have a hard time just following Cyndy.
- Louis Gray
I'm following 2551 people right now. Makes it far more interesting than following a few and it's entirely manageable if you use the hide feature right.
- Thomas Hawk
Gee, with language/attitude like yours, I wonder why no one follows you? Hard to imagine huh.
- Dan Nimtz
from twhirl
Excellent, the use of the hide functionality is finally revealed. I see no "all caps" and I like it. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Leigh I was thinking just that. :) @Thomas I completely agree, I love following interesting people regardless of whether they follow back. Unlike Twitter et al, I never feel like having a larger number of follows drowns anything out.
- Steve Spalding
Compared to many of you I'm relatively boring, so I certainly don't expect lots to follow me, I'm just happy to have the opportunity to follow the interesting folks who challenge me to think and expand my knowledge.
- asiriusgeek
Anyway, I don't need the big names to follow me as well. I just need a bunch of FriendFeeders who are willing to engage in meaningful and interesting conversations.
- Winston Teo
I have 5 right now, and one private room.
- Phil G
good overview for the uninitiated - i have 8 imaginary friends currently
- mike "glemak" dunn
I love my imaginary friends. Waiting to hear that Scoble has 20,000 of them.
- Michael Markman
I have too many real friends to have time for imaginary ones! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hmm. I've been using this but have missed a couple events from my "imaginary" friends (who are blog-only, but those are blogs I've followed for a long time, and I want to look at every event, if there are new ones) in the noise of "actual" friends (have more sources, and are noisier... and there are other followers to "bump" the interesting events for me.) Is there a technique to make...
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- Wade Dorrell
I set them up for the unenlightened twitter denizens so that I could see their tweets here. It was interesting, though, to see that they won't be deleted when the "real" person sees the light....
- Linda Mills
what I'd like to see is the ability to add "imaginary" sources to the accounts of real friends. There are a couple people i follow who don't import, say, their Twitter feeds, or their bookmarks, into Friendfeed, but I still want to see them. The way things stand now, I could create an imaginary friend for those feeds, but I want to splice them into existing accounts instead.
- Nathan Rein
Assigning a feed to a private room is a great way to take private notes on feed items.
- Tom Landini
Update: "For some reason, I totally blanked on the fact that Justin Korn wrote up his experience using FriendFeed as an RSS reader and organizer on his own blog. I feel especially bad because I encouraged Justin to write it! Honestly, I feel like a complete heel. When it comes to giving credit, I have a thing or two to learn. My unreserved apologies, Justin." http://blog.justinkorn.com/index...
- Phil G
Thanks J, but my name is Korn :) Thanks for the credit.
- Justin Korn
Oh, and thanks for the encouragement as well. I needed the extra nudge.
- Justin Korn
Ok ok. We are both awesome. But I promise to do better in the future. Thanks for the great idea!
- Phil G
hint hint... all my enemies are imaginary friends. if you hate my guts and are on twitter. guaranteed I'm watching you. makes Panopticons pointless
- Noah David Simon
i have 10 imaginary friends and blocked them all - too noisy! xD
- Dieter Schwarz
thanks for another helpful tip....I am getting there :-)
- Richard Binhammer
I've added quite a few, mainly for my favourite flickr users as I get to see ALL their photos and not just the latest 5 like on flickr itself.
- Kol Tregaskes
I needed to FTP a huge file from my home network to my server. Thought I'd use the Mac, but it turns out its native FTP client is read-only. No problem, with the Asus EEE PC on the LAN, I just used Windows XP which doesn't have such a lame FTP client.
That's likely to get me some lame BS flame mail from Mac zealots. But they will be wrong. Windows is much more macho, in this one dimension.
- Dave Winer
Terminal window lets you use the powerful unix FTP. Transmit is my usual mac client of choice.
- iSteeve
BTW, the Asus didn't become usable until I got the new driver for the touch pad. Now it's sweet. I don't mind the keyboard, I've been trained to use marginal keyboards on cell phones. This one seems practically luxurious in comparison. I'm going to be doing a lot of traveling in the next couple of months, so it's going to be nice to have a *much* smaller computer to lug with me. Still have to find a nice easy paint program for the machine.
- Dave Winer
why not use Cyberduck, Fetch, or Transmit - all great FTP clients
- Mike Hussein Cohen
*All* FTP clients are lame. Use scp.
- Keith Rollin
Im with Transmit, rather simple and easy, free too.
- Colby Olson
Are you sure about the read-only thing? Wasn't it a permission thing? I thought I uploaded files with it as well. That said, I use Transmit all the time. The .mac (eh, mobile me) synchronisation of favourites is a nice bonus when working in different places.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
has bit.ly been eating most links lately? @david, that bit.ly link points nowhere useful
- acedanger
from twhirl
@acedanger, working fine here. Should direct you to an article from Macworld regards file sharing in Leopard.
- David J. Pettifor
WinSCP does all of the above (I think, bar rsync): FTP, SCP, SFTP and with various SSH encryption options. Free too, of course. Taken over from Filezilla as my preferred tool. I haven't found anything as good for free on Mac OS.
- Ian Fogg
Transmit if you wanna pay, Filezilla if you don't.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
What the heck is "read-only?" I just tried mac's ftp out, it will upload and download files just like any other ftp client.
- Owen Byrne
wrongdo-dongo Dave. You can upload as well as download with the Finder's FTP feature. Or you can kick it old-school and rock the command line interface in terminal.
- Aaron deMello
that was always one thing I hated about the Mac. Actually, I had to move some files from my old PBG4 to a XP laptop and ended up using Samba.
- Adam C.
Owen, correct. You just read a file. I think he's talking about uploading. Still I'm scheptical that the client would be designed to behave like that. Doesn't exactly go into the "pros" column for convincing me to get a Mac.
- Ernie Oporto
Dave, which "native" FTP client are you speaking of on the Mac? It's hard to get more "native" than the simple command line UNIX "ftp" and I KNOW it will work with pretty much any thing you throw at it...I use it all the time and I'm constantly bi-platform, so I'm using tools on both.
- Dennis Moser
Oh, didn't even know the FTPd in OS X was read-only. You may have saved me time in the future; was planning on using/testing it. SMB works fine (locally) for the time being.
- Gaurav Patel