Liste düzgün sanıyorum, bir çok kişinin hangi dilde konuştuğunu algıyamıyor sistem. Ki bu da dediginiz gibi veri bozukluğu galiba. Örneğin sizin profilinize girdiğimde (http://ffholic.com/UserInf...) dili bilinmiyor yazıyor. Muhtemelen sıkıntı orada. Anlayabildiğim kadarı ile listede eskisi gibi Turkce ve Ingilizce yazanlarda yok, sadece Turkce....
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- F. Batuhan Icoz
Listeyi tekrar kontrol edebilirsiniz. Düzelmiş olması lazım.
- Baris Seker
Baris Seker evet normale dönmüş görünüyor. Çok teşekkür ederim :)
- sunipeyk
Fikrin yanlışlığı ve sürdürülebilirliği yoktu. Örneğin Beylikdüzünde 100 tane berber varken bir tanesini görünce koca memlekette berber yok bir tane de ben açayım diyesim geliyordu. :) Haklarında hayırlısı neyse o olsun.
- Ersin KOÇ
Ersin, fikrin hem yanlışlığı olmayıp hem de nasıl sürdürülebilirliği olmaya bilir?
- Egemen Mede
Çok tipik bir Doğan hareketi. "Operational excellence" sıfır, iş oturmuyor, para kazanmıyor, patron kızıyor da kızıyor ve günün birinde "kapatın" diyor. Doğan diyarında bu ne ilktir, ne de son olacaktır...
- Kıvanç
Yok, bu sefer atışmak için sormuyorum ciddiyim. Sürdürülebilirliliği yoksa yanlış bir iştir. Yanlış bir iş değilse sürdürülebilirliliği olmalı. Ben mi yanlış düşünüyorum?
- Egemen Mede
Atışmicem :) "ve" kelimesi "nedeniyle" olarak değişecek, sen de kendi kendine konuşuyor gibi görüneceksin. Ama yapmicem :)
- Ersin KOÇ
Hııırrr.. :) Tamam yanlışlık olduğunu anladık, sorun yok.
- Egemen Mede
Şimdi çok şey derdim ama burada olmaz.
- Mert Alemdar
Bravoo'ya birşey diyecekleri var diye bir grup mu açsak ne?
- Mert Alemdar
doğan grubuna kesilen cezanın çok büyük payı olduğunu düşünüyorum..
- Halil İbrahim Öztürk
iki senelik anlaşma yapmıştık. Bakalım paramızın ne kadarını geri ödeyecekler?
- Ömer Enis
from fftogo
hiç şaşırmadım || doğan olmasaydı tutma ihtimali vardı
- Osman Erdoğan
Ben dün bravoo dan çıkartılanlardan biri olarak neden ve sonuç ilişkisi içerisinde size olayı anlatayım. Bravoo Seat Pagine Giallenin Altın Sayfalara ortak olması ile ortaya çıkan bir markaydı.Başlangıçta yatırımda paralar su gibi akıtıldı ancak geçen sene doğan grubunun aldığı ilk cezanın ardından zaten ortaklıktan ayrılmak isteyen doğan grubu su koydu ve ortaklıktan çekilmek...
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- Cem Eraslan
Satış planlama yöneticisiydim. Ekiplerin dağılımı ve yönetimi
- Cem Eraslan
Bravoo da satış planlamanın nasıl yapıldığını görmek isterseniz. http://www.cemeraslan.com adresinde ilgili bir sunum bulabilirsiniz
- Cem Eraslan
Sektör basılı rehberde sıkıntıda ancak online ın iyi para getireceğini düşünüyorum. Çünkü potansiyel çok yüksekti.
- Cem Eraslan
Aynı şekilde yine bravoo!'ya çok emek vermiş bir insan olarak bravoo!nun başarısız olduğunu düşünmüyorum. Bu sona Cem'in de dediği gibi ortakların kriz nedeniyle yaşadıkları sıkıntılar sebep oldu. Üzüntülüyüz hepimiz :(( Bir anda kapatma kararı geldi. Ama bundan sonra Türkiye'de bu iş artık hiçbir şekilde tutmaz gibime geliyor.
- Ceyla Kutukoglu
Daha önce bu yazıda ( http://becpu.com/index... , http://ff.im/1j6S ) yazdığımda olayın abukluğunu bazı arkadaşlar bana saldırmıştı. yazımın üzerinden 1 sene geçmeden sonuç ortada. Birşeyler biliyoruz :) ama yoğunluktan yazamıyoruz
- Uygun BODUR
çok yatırım yapılıdığını biliyordum bravoo ya... kötü olmuş #gbtakip
- Gürkan KARA
Bende Altan gibi, bir diğer binlerce avukatlık dosyası olan bir rehber firmasında çalışıyordum. Basılı rehber / reklam-pazarlama özgeçmişinden gelenlerin, internetteki vizyonlarının sakatlığı nedeniyle, bu işin ne internet üzerinde, ne basılı başarılı olacağında ciddi şüphelerim var. Buarada avukatlık deyince, hemen müşterileri de suçlamamak lazım. Zaten sıkıntılı olan esnafımız...
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- Gökçe YALÇIN
Umarım bundan sonraki süreci az hasarla atlatırlar.. @Cem Eraslan'ın dediğine göre bir operasyonel başarısızlık söz konusu değil.. Böyle durumlar genelde daha fazla üzüntü yaratır organizasyonlarda..
- Oğuz Mustafa Hadra
Kısa bir süre de olsa ben de çalıştım bravoo!'da; üzüldüm. Basılı rehber işini bir daha da deneyen zor çıkar bence..
- Pelin Hazar
Cem, bu satış planlama sistemiyle de bayağı uğraşmışsınız. Güzele benziyor, yazık olmuş.
- Baris Seker
@Baris Seker Daha ileri seviyesinde çok fantastik fikirlerim vardı ama başka bahara artık.
- Cem Eraslan
Google öyle bir yerleşti ki Türk insanının bilinçaltı haritalarına ve browser'larının homepage'ine çoğu kişi interneti Google'dan sanıyor ve bu durum da aslında directory publishing sektörünü çok zor bir alan haline getiriyor Türkiye'de. Basılı rehber ve internet sitesini de geçtim, Mobile alanda farkındalık yaratarak birşeyler yapılabilir (örn.Yellow Pages) ama bu da operasyonel anlamda karlı olur mu bilemiyorum şu anda...
- Ozan Cılga
Bravoo'nun aldığı bu karara üzüldüm; sonuçta yaptıkları yatırım yadsınamaz ve Bravoo reklamları kullanıcların yerel arama sektörünü tanımalarına yardımcı oldu. Ama basılı rehber özellikle Türkiye için bir başarı getirmiyor. Yellow Pages -http://www.yellow.com.tr bu sebeple Türkiye'de sadece online ve mobile portelleri aracılığı ile kullanıcılara rehber hizmeti veriyor.
- meliskaratay
Baktım baktım şaka sandım. Değilmiş. üç ge'nin suyu mu çıktı ayol!
- Dilayda Desdenova
CNN Türk bu kadar öküz olamaz-olmamalı. Photoshoptur. Ayrıca ne meseledir bu kadar abartıldı sanki çok matah birşeymiş gibi. Gündem bu oldu resmen...
- Hüseyin GÜRSOY
Bunlari genc insanlar yapiyorsa egitim sistemini gozden gecirmek gerekir. Son zamanlarda hemen her kanalda bu tip seyler oluyor. Sanki bu isi duzgun yapmasi gerekenler tatile cikmis da koskoca TV kanallarini bir kac stajyere birakmislar gibi.
- Barış Mert Gezer
şaka olmalı. Ayrıca barış bunun eğitim sistemiyle filan pek bir ilgisi yok aslında. Türkiye geneline bakacak olursak, 3G'nin anlamını, 3.neslin ne demek olduğunu bilmeyen birçok insan bulunuyor. Anlamaları için bir hatırlatma ama tabii ki anlamsız; en azından bizim için.
- Zafer Yılmaz
Zafer, olayin genelinden ve bunun disindaki olaylardan da bahsediyorum. Oncelikle 3 ge ya da 3n yerine tri ci denmesi hata bence. Bunu ekrana yazmaya calismak ise tarifsiz...
- Barış Mert Gezer
from iPhone
Iyi ogretim almis bir insanin bunu yapmayacak ongoru ve hassasiyete sahip olacagini dusunuyorum
- Barış Mert Gezer
from iPhone
Bu herifler türkiyye yayın yapmakta işte. Gerisini siz düşünün.
- Mehmet TEMEL
Yarın da logo yerine si en en yazacaklarmış :))
- Atif UNALDI
koptum resmen. Cnnturk'ten hayatta beklemezdim böyle bir haber.
- Mehmet Alp
Boyle giderse 4G gelse four ci derler halk arasinda dolasa dolasa fortcuya kadar gider :P
- Turker Keskinpala
Güzel ülkemden televizyon manzaraları :D
- Hamdi Yaman
Bu tarz terimleri türk dil kurumu kullanmadan önce onaylasa da doğrusunu böyle rezalet durumlar ortaya çıkmasa. Bu işin bir standardı olsa. TDK' daki hocalarda mutlu olsa???
- Uygun BODUR
bu nasıl bir gaftır böyle ya? "3. nesil" demek çok zor iş sanki...
- İbrahim Ethem Uyar
3G ifadesi Türkçe bir ifade değil. Editör parantez içerisinde bu ifadenin dilimizdeki okunuşunu yazmış. Yanlış olan bizim "3G"'ye "üç ge" dememiz. Herşey yazıldığı gibi okunmuyor. Örnek: Turkcell, Acer, Apple. Bu teknolojinin Türkçe karşılığı 3N - Üç ne - 3.Nesil - Üçüncü nesil :) Ekranda 3N - 3.Nesil yazsa daha hoş olurdu. Ayrıca hata olsa bile, editör hakkında hakarete varan kelimeleri kullanmanızı anlamak mümkün değil. Bazı insanlar, kendileri hiç hata yapmıyormuşcasına eleştirmiş.
- Ahmet Selman Özdemir
eh be kardeşim bokunu çıkarttınız artık tri ci'miş
- şafak O
tri ci latince merak, güzel merak anlamına geliyor bu arada...
- harun yucesoy
Bu konu belliki iyi hamur ve daha çok hamur kaldıracak.Leman ve Milliyet Gazetesindeki manşetten esinlenilmiş bir epriydi sadece... Çünkü, yeni bir teknoloji dili de etkiler. özellikle gündelik dil evrim yaşayan bir dildir artık. hayatımızda TRİ Cİ diye bir şey var, onun esprisiydi...Kaldı ki parantez içindeydi...
- ayse yonca baltaoglu
Ayse Hanim, espri olmasi sevindirici, ancak bir haber kanalinda yayinlaninca gayet ciddiye aliniyor anlasilan. Ayrica dil gelisen bir seydir, dogru, ama uc ge olur, uc ne olur, tri ci olmaz, olmamali. Tamamen kisisel gorusumdur. TDK v.s. ne der bilmiyorum. Birsey demiyor anlasilan?
- Barış Mert Gezer
Yani Blu-Ray'e Mavi Isin diyelim demiyorum. Gerci ne anlatiyorum ki... Si-di, pi-si v.b. ornekleri dusununce...
- Barış Mert Gezer
Ama Bluetooth'a Mavi diş demekle CD'ye Si-di demek farklı iki konu. TDK, Bluetooth ifadesine karşılık bir kelime önerebilir. Ama CD ifadesine karşılık bir kısaltma bulmak durumunda değildir. Çünkü "CD" yabancı ifadenin kısa yazılışıdır. Aynı şekilde 3G ifadesi içinde TDK'nın yapabileceği bir şey yok. Generation kelimesine karşılık Nesil kelimesini kullanacaksak, kısaltmasını da 3G değil 3N yapmamız doğru olacaktır.
- Ahmet Selman Özdemir
Hem de bu sözlükte yabancı bir kelimenin dilimizdeki okunuşu esprisi de var, Editör parantez içerisinde bu ifadenin dilimizdeki okunuşunu yazmış...peki siz editör olsaydınız ne yazardınız? nasıl harika bir başlık atardınız :) ve de söylemeden geçemeyeceğim eleştiri yaparken çok acımasızsınız...tri ci ek olarak latincede merak anlamına geliyor...terimlerin kısaltmalarını tam olarak...
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- ayse yonca baltaoglu
Olur mu bayanlar baylar! Tri ci nedir allah askina :) Bari uc ge yapalim sunu da kotunun iyisi olsun! Hem terimi degistirmemis oluruz hem de dilimize daha yatkin olur. Ben editor olsam parantez acmaz direkt 3G yazardim ve konusmalarda da 3 ge ifadesini kullanirdim. Gerekiyorsa roportaj yaptigim kisileri de bu sekilde telaffuz etmeleri konusunda uyarirdim. Parantez de olsun derseniz icine 3. nesil yazardim.
- Barış Mert Gezer
İlla ingilizce okuyacağım diyorsanız zaten doğrusu tri ci değil, ˈthrē ˈjē diye okunur. İngilizce bilenler dahil Türkler (Almanlar, Portekizliler, vs) de bunu böyle okuyamaz. Kastırmanın gereği yok, üç ge diye her vatandaş rahat okuyup söyleyebilir.
- Baris Seker
işte finalde tercih meselesi...fakat hata değil. rasyonel bir açıklaması mantığı var...hata daha çok şöyle oluyor: ntv'nin 84. avrupa halter sampiyonasi'yla ilgili haberinde "silkme" yerine "sikme" yazmasidir örneğin...ntv oldugu için normal karsilanan durum.. cnn turk yapsaydi muhtemelen yerden yere vurulurdu, ama konu ntv olunca bir "hatadir, yapabilir herkes" durumu hakim... http://www.komikaze.net/komiks...
- ayse yonca baltaoglu
bu arada yedincisenol "hay ben bu editörün..." demişsin de gerisini getirmemişsin, merak ettim ne yapacaksın? bir yaz da öğrenelim, editör arkadaş da merak etti çünkü...
- ayse yonca baltaoglu
Ayşe eğer Tri Ci latincede merak anlamına geliyorsa bu da bir gizli reklam olur değil mi? RTÜK nerde TDK nerde kaldırın şu ceseti buradan!!!!
- Atif UNALDI
latince kısmı ile ilgili olarak ölmek istiyorum şu an... :)
- harun yucesoy
Tri Ci'nin latince merak anlamına geldiğine biri kaynak gösterirse güzel olur.
- Baris Seker
Yahu ne ilgisi var arkadaslar? Gelirse gelsin??
- Barış Mert Gezer
olur mu hiç 3Gulak dön de aynaya bak hey...
- harun yucesoy
ayşe yonca baltaoğlu, 3G yazısının yanına parentez açıp (Tri Ci) yazılması, örnek verdiğin NTV'nin yaptığı yazım hatasıyla kıyaslanmamalı. NTV veya başka kanalda da 3G yazısının yanına parantez açılıp (Trı Ci) yazılsaydı aynı tepkiyi alırdı. Tepkinin sebebi; geniş bir izleyici kitlesine sahip bir kanalın, Türkiye'de kullanılmaya başlanan yeni bir teknolojinin adının, Türkçe söylenişinin desteklemesi beklentesidir diye düşünüyorum. :)
- Emine Okumuş
Bence ince bir espri olmuş, anlayana diyorum, CNN Türk gibi bir kanalın bunu hata ile yapabileceğini hele parantez içinde yapabileceğini düşünmüyorsuunz herhalde :-) Bu arada www.trici.com 'u Virginia'dan bir abi almış çok önce...boşta olsaydı güzel domain olurdu....
- Gokcen Karan
Güzel bir haber bu, başarılarınızın devamını dilerim. Ancak konuyla ilgili her platformda takıldığım bir şey var, söylemeden edemeyeceğim. Turkey yerine Türkiye kullanmak bu kadar zor mu?
- Hakan Yamanoglu
Useful to inquiry some stats or show relationships, but not to discover content
- Roberto
from iPhone
they probably just crawl the database on a certain schedule. What is that schedule ffholic-ers?
- Laura Norvig
Are we talking about the user stats, and especially subscriber and subscription counts?
- Baris Seker
There are over 330k users to crawl and ff has API bandwidth restrictions, so we can't open up the flood gates all the way. We give precedence to higher ranked users, because their entries climb the charts much quicker. Currently, we're updating about 40k users in a day. On top of that, we're following 20k rooms, and the public feed.
- Baris Seker
once iphone sonra bir macbook... bisiler oluyor hissediyorum...
- Okyar Ozlupinar
hiç sorma Okyar, Apple acaip örgütlenmiş bizim sektörde. İsimlerini birbir yazıcam beni bu satın almaya itenlerin :)
- Arda Kutsal
Hayırlı olsun. Eminim büyük bir hafifliği de beraberinde getirecektir =)
- Eren Kumcuoğlu
Güle güle kullan, Cybreduck, Adium, Firefox, VLC Player, xPad, Burn yeterli olacaktır. Ofis uygulaması olarak MS Office kötü olsa da en uyumlusu olduğundan seçilebilir. Exchange kullanıyorsan zaten Entourage zorunluluk gibi bişi.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
@Eren Kumcuoğlu: 15.4 HP'den sonra "gerçekten" hafiflik getireceği kesin :)
- Arda Kutsal
Gecmis olsun. Apple bir hastalik, gercekden...Salgin bir hastalik hemde
- Ali Demirci
Teşekkürler Burak, exchange yok sadece gmail altyapısı kullanıyoruz tüm domainlerde.
- Arda Kutsal
@Ali Demirci: Salgın hastalık olmasının yanında, kullanıcıları canları pahasına savunuyorlar markayı. Ben böyle sevgi görmedim.
- Arda Kutsal
Hayırlı olsun :) Mac'a yeni geçmiş biri olarak her zaman lazım olabilecek free birkaç uygulama tavsiye edeyim hızlıca. Leech, Burn, Get Tube, Cyberduck. Bu arada Entourage iğrenç bir uygulama ama Snow Leopard'a geçinceye kadar idare edeceksin mecburen :) Snow Leopard'la hazır bir exchange client geliyor.
- Mustafa Tan
Hayırlı olsun. Benim tavsiyelerim, diğer arkadaşlara ilave olarak Tweetie, 1Password, Things, Quicksilver, Evernote, TextExpander olacaktır.
- Burçak Sayınsoy
Valla bende uzun zamandır direnç gösteriyorum. Mahalle baskısı var bu konuda :) Hayırlı olsun Arda.
- Okan Barlas
teşekkürler arkadaşlar, bütün bildiklerimi çöpe atıp mac'e geçmiş oldum, sudan çıkmış balık gibiyim. kendimi 80 yaşından sonra bilgisayar kullanmaya başlayan dedem gibi hissediyorum :)
- Arda Kutsal
@Okan: işte aradığım söz buydu. mahalle baskısına direnç gösteremedim :)
- Arda Kutsal
Tavsiye mi istiyorsun Arda? Hemen kendine yedek bir laptop al, Vaio falan olsun. =)
- Burak Demiral
Ben de "comfort zone"u terkedip mac'e geçmeyi o yüzden istiyorum işte (tek sebep bu değil tabi ama, fikri heyecanlandırıyor). O sudan çıkmış balık hissi ne keyiflidir =)
- Eren Kumcuoğlu
Olmadı vmware kurup arada windows'a geçip nostalji yaparsın. Ama gerek olacağını zannetmiyorum. Yaşasın evdeki mac air'im. :)
- Nevzat Aydin
sayfayı kapatmak için elin sürekli ekranın sağına kayacak bir süre.
- beyazeldiven
Arda Bey, hayırlı olsun. Ben de uzun süredir macbook kullanıyorum. inanın pişman olmazsınız. tavsiye edeceğim ilk program quicksilver olacaktır. nedir derseniz: http://ff.im/4KIlY. bunun dışında Video oynatıcı olarak VLC, chat için Adium, Torrent için Vuze, CD DVD yazdırmak için Toast Titanium..
- veli bahceci
google'ın quicksilver uygulamasını da indirmeni öneririm. Uygulamalar arası hızlı geçişler ve tek noktadan kontrol edebilmek adına büyük hız kazandırıyor. Bir de spaces ve Hot Corners özelliklerini kullanmanı şiddetle tavsiye ederim.
- Hakan Akben®
Kullanim aliskanliklarini bilsem biseyler onerebilirim ama standart kullanici icin ilife + iwork yeterli. Bir firefox iyi olabilir ama safari bircok konuda ok. Bir de perian tamamdir..
- İlker Utlu
from iPhone
ben ilk spaces kullanmaya, sonra dock'tan bir sürü şeyi atmakla başlamıştım. İlk 2 günüm her şeyi sağ üst köşedeki spotlight'tan aramakla geçmişti :) alışıp çok seviyorsun ama bunu garanti edebilirim.
- sinemdonmez
Yep spotlight! Ayrica spaces, expose ve kose kisayollarini cok kullaniyorum.
- İlker Utlu
from iPhone
yaklasik 2 hafta sonra yakin cevrene mac'e gecme konusunda baski yapan tarafta olacaksin :) cok bulasici bi hastalik ama insan keske daha onceden yakalansaydim diyo...
- Onur Karaagaoglu
Quicksilver yuklenmesi 100% şart olan FREE bir yazılımdır. + Textexpander tabii
- Goktug Okan Oguz
Tavsiye: İmkan varsa dükkana gidip iade edin. :)
- Berkin Bozdoğan
"tüh... bir kişi daha gitti!" - Bill Gates
- M. Gökhan Ahi
Once tavsiye edilenlere karsi tavsiyeler: Transmission'in guncel surumlerinde DHT destegi var. uTorrent'i makinaya sokmanin hic bir alemi yok. VMware'e para vereceksen, sadece PC oyunlarini oynamak icin ver yoksa VirtualBox 3.0 dururken VMware veya Parallels kullanmak israf.
- Berk D. Demir
Quicksilver kullanmayi bilmeyenden gercek OS X kullancisi olmaz. Lifehacker'da video'lari var. Guzel bir kullanma klavuzu var. Quicksilver'a alistiktan sonra eskiden nasil uygulama calistirdigini veya rutin isleri yaptigini hatilrmak istemeyeceksin. 1Password'u satin almani tavsiye ederim guvenlik icin. Her bir siteye ayri ve kuvvetli bir parola verip, hic birini hatirlamayabilirsin....
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- Berk D. Demir
macbook ile birbirimizi tanıyoruz, çabuk kaynaştık doğrusu. başta internet hızı bir acaip yavaştı ama ipv6 kapatınca düzeldi. ya da en azından ben öyle sanıyorum :)
- Arda Kutsal
aslında hemen hiçbir yoruma katılmıyorum.. firefox kur, filmler için quicktime'ını pro'ya yükselt ya da burdan http://perian.org/ QT codeclerini yükle, müzikler için iTunes kütüphaneni düzenle ve Last.FM'le senkronize et, yetecektir.. ondan sonra kendin keşfet, başka bişeye ihtiyacın var mı...
- Orsan Erksoy
Apple Mobile Me ve Genisletilmis Garanti almayi dusunuyorsaniz, eBay'e mutlaka goz atin. Bir cok insan, hediye ceki seklinde gelen bu servisi ve hizmeti eBay'de normal satis degerinin epey altinda satiyor. Buradan AppleCare 3 yillik plani 249$ yerine, 135$'a aldim (+Microsoft Live Search Cashbask (%5) ile). Dunya capinda gecerli. ABD'den aldiginiz urunun 1 yillik global garantisini 3'e...
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- Berk D. Demir
hayırlı olsun. ben de terminal için iterm, basit word editing için bean, pencere maximize hareketini kolaylaştırmak için rightzoom vs. tavsiye ederim yukarıdakilere ek olarak. ha bir de boşuna bir yere windows kurmamanı :)
- Alpay Erturkmen
For 3 days on a row I have the same amount of activity points, keep standing on 212 subscribers and I am the 394th most active user for 3 days already. No move there.
- Ton Zijp
from email
We're working on some improvements on the user data grabbing side. There is some fine tuning needs to be done. Last time we updated your record on July 3rd. I will watch your record and see where it is in the queue. Thanks
- Baris Seker
Thx Baris. I'm glad that I was correct to notice it. :-)
- Ton Zijp
We (FFholic) count 222784 public and 28577 private users. These users are the ones who subscribed to at least one other user, or liked/commented/shared something.
- Arda Kutsal
Arda, are you counting them since you started crawling FF or are they active over a specific time frame?
- Yuval Atzmon
We crawl anyone with an entry, a subscription, a like or comment. So if a user did nothing on FriendFeed (and even noone subscribed to him/her) then we do not count him/her. Regarding to your question, we crawl -somehow- active users and it's not over a specific time.
- Arda Kutsal
"222784 public and 28577 private users", wow amazingly small.
- Meryn Stol
To hear Louc, Leo, et all talk about, that's the only time new services are enjoyable, when they're small o.O
- Matthew DeVries
Also Arda, you may want to add a timeframe to the term "active". If someone commented a week ago he's active but what if his last known activity was 6 months ago? Should he be considered an active FF user? Probably not.
- Yuval Atzmon
thank you for continuing the conversation. Love the Eleventy-seven a lot :) Good observation on official number vs. private users, Arda.
- Valeria Maltoni
A while ago, we compared Scoble's subscribed user count and our estimated count on FFHolic . There was a gap between the two. The gap shrinks as you move on to less followed users. I am guessing there is a follower group out there who only subscribes but do not participate. We can compare Scoble's numbers to FFholic's again if he would post it. That might give an idea about the size of the gap.
- Baris Seker
Baris, I suppose many people join FF, start following some suggested users but just keep lurking or simply stop visiting FF altogether.
- Yuval Atzmon
I think FFHolic.com is boycotting my posts. Is it something I said? For two days in a row now I have had posts with very high comment counts, more comments than some of those posts they have listed under "Most Commented", and my posts are not showing up. Today I have a post with more likes than..
some of those listed, and that post is not listed either. What exactly is going on with FFHolic? I post questions to the room and they go unanswered, so I am asking here in the main feed. Anyone know? No need to comment if all you are going to add is, "I never check ffholic." Most of the people who say that are lying their asses off.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I can't figure out that website. Sometimes it seems so off on counts of various things and other times, it seems dead accurate. I think the owner of FFHolic needs to be on an episode of FFundercats to explain to us what the heck is going on over there.
- Rochelle
I agree, Rochelle; the owner should do an episode of FFundercats.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I forgot that site was even around. I guess I'm the only one who don't care for stats
- Outsanity
@Outsanity: I'm the same. I just checked today for the first time since I joined. I don't follow stats. But Monique, I don't know...maybe it was just an off day? I remember seeing someone else post something similar about their posts not being recognized on ffholic. So you're not alone, hun. It seems to happen.
- Nurse Katie
++++++ For the shirt. That's awesome. Someone posted a pic of me on Facebook and when I saw it I realized my thong was hanging out the back....lovely!
- Nurse Katie
I have checked FFholic every week or 2 for about 2 months, I've jumped up and down in stats all that time, very odd site.
- Kol Tregaskes
It has to be do to the FFholic.com Engine. Probably needs to be tweaked but no one has done that yet. I just looked and I see nothing about this post. It also looks to be about 12 hours old on all the posts. Who knows this might not get updated for a while due to the broken cable!!
- Paul
Do not feel bad! What is FFholic anyway? Ego Stroking! We love U already! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hi Monique, what posts do you think should have showed up on the FFHolic lists? It would help if you could send the post URL and the FFHolic list url. Thanks
- Baris Seker
That really should be the rule the world over. I know that is a rule on the autobahn. Bass Turds who think "I'm going the speed limit, I'm allowed in the left lane" or "I'm going fast enough for everyone else behind me" make me stabby.
- Matthew DeVries
I wish people would learn to at least yield and pay attention to behind them. ++Mathew DeVries comments.
- rob friedman
My experience driving in Europe is that Europeans are much better about yielding to faster traffic. Many Americans think they own the road.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
In the U.S. I'd settle for use of turn signals. TURN SIGNALS PEOPLE! It's that little stick on the left of the steering column. Definitely we should adopt Euro standards on this, as well. We could save tons of wasted money on stop signs if used Dutch right-of-way rules. If you even SEE someone on your right, YOU yield. In U.S. we are too lazy to pay attention, give us a kindergarten sign.
- michael silverton
I think a lot of people are just ignorant of the laws. Every other car is driving with its parking lights on, ILLEGAL, flicking ashes out the window, ILLEGAL, passing on the right, ILLEGAL, failing to yield, ILLEGAL, not yielding to pedestrians, ILLEGAL. I could go on.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
Driving Annoyances always a great show-filler for that lamer no-show booking situation. :-)
- michael silverton
I'm just pissed that Leo is driving in France and I'm not. C'est une putain Leo!
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
Once you get in-town, you can choose whichever lane best suites your destination, though. Unless otherwise posted.
- midnightgolfer
In Pennsylvania the left lanes are for passing only. California's driver's manual says: Drive in the lane with the smoothest flow of traffic. If you can choose among three lanes, pick the middle lane for the smoothest driving. To drive faster, pass, or turn left, use the left lane. When you choose to drive slowly or enter or turn off the road, use the right lane. If there are only two lanes in your direction, pick the right lane for the smoothest driving.
- invariant - farewell FF
Here is British Columbia, Canada it is also true, keep right unless to pass or if you are letting someone merge on to the highway, really straight forward really
- Bryce Campbell
from twhirl
And I get to drive from San Francisco to San Diego tomorrow, bobbing and weaving in hopes of "smoothest driving." Well, I'm not much for bobbing and weaving, personally, but it explains why everyone else drives like maniacs and floods into my Safe Following Distance. What a retarded, utterly ambiguous rule. *sigh*
- michael silverton
Yes, kinda shocked me when I moved out here and read the manual for the first time. But I'd have to say the most broken driving law (aside from speed limits) in California is this: if you're making a right turn from the rightmost lane, you must turn into the rightmost lane. This is unlike a left turn, where you can turn into any lane as long as it is safe. Nobody actually follows that one, and I bet 99% of drivers don't even know about it.
- invariant - farewell FF
In the US some highways are designed with exits on the left side. In that case you have to be on the left lane to be able to take the exit. So leaving the left lane to speeders is not even possible. Also having different speeds of vehicles on the highway is more dangerous than having a steady flow of traffic.
- Baris Seker
In Germany you definitely have different speeds, but the accident rate and death toll is at the lowest in years, less than 5000 traffic deaths in 2008 (on population of 80 mio).
- Nils Sandin
FYI: It varies by state, but passing on the right in the US is only illegal if you use the shoulder to pass. So many people get this confused.
- xero
getting a car license in Germany is closer to getting a pilot's license in the US, that's the main difference. A US driver's license means the driver got a random 20% of the laws correct when asked, most of which were related to identifying the meaning of a sign.
- xero
Postlinearity, that figure is only helpful and relevant if you compare the number of miles/kilometers driven per person per year in the respective countries. Germany is a much MUCH smaller country than the US when it comes to landmass: we might have fewer drivers, but our drivers are likely going much longer distances over the course of a year. Accident statistics should take this into account and report 1 accident per every X miles driven.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Spent some time in Germany. In a way, I love how most drive in a structured and respectful manner. Then, after arriving home I'm immediately disappointed.
- Shawn Poulson
In Germany you have to get like 20+ hours of private instruction to get your license. It costs a lot of money and the result is people know how to drive. I actually witnessed people parallel parking successfully! Amazing.
- Todd Hoff
My understanding is FFHolic can't crawl the private lists, so inactive folks with private lists are missing, for example. (Also, it's about 300 high for me, FYI)
- Louis Gray
Louis: I don't subscribe to many people with private lists. It's just about 2,000 people low for me (I currently have 22493 subscribers). Weird that it's inconsistent. I wonder if they could use my account to find people and be more accurate?
- Robert Scoble
Funny little stat: Mona and Susan Beebe are only two other people on the top 100 most popular list who are also in the top 100 most active list. Wild. Seems that you don't need to participate here to be popular.
- Robert Scoble
I haven't been to FFHolic in awhile but from what I recall, their "popular" metric is based solely on the number of people who follow you, so, no, you don't need to be active at all to be popular.
- Laura Norvig
Robert, being hyperactive doesn't drive value in some cases. Mona and Susan and you are outstanding FriendFeeders. But note even with my overproduction here, I'm at the #184 slot for activity. Are there almost 200 people more active here than me?
- Louis Gray
I am about #23 on activity and #96 for subscribers, but the FFholic numbers are off... they need to fix that... oh, and Thanks Louis! :) BTW my feed is private, probably should remove that for a while to see if the stats self-heal or not. On a secondary note, the FF internal pie chart stats are ALSO wrong; possibly due to "private feed" too?? not sure
- Susan Beebe
I just removed the "private" lock on my FF feed. Looks like FFholic crawls my info on a weekly basis as I see they're info on my is about 1 week old. Let's see if that refresh rate and the quality of my data statistics improves
- Susan Beebe
Louis: I actually got more followers on Twitter when I participated less. So, I think you're right.
- Robert Scoble
My subscriber rate started to pick up when I stopped breaking 100 likes/comments in a week, but FFHolic is definitely being conservative (or out of date) with its statistics: it's under reporting me by about 60 or 70.
- Mark Trapp
Robert, my guess is that you have more than average number of subscribers with no entries, comments or likes. It is quite possible that there are a lot of users who joined friendfeed, subscribed to you and did not take any other action. We can only find out about a user if they have an activity on friendfeed. Maybe you can give a sample list (a few hundred) of the users who subscribed to you and we can examine that list to see why we're missing so many users. Thanks
- Baris Seker
Bu ülkede internet üzerinden iş yapanın aklına şaşarım. Ücretsiz ilan yayınlayan siteler tek tek kapatılıyor. kapatmayanlata ise 10bin YTL para cezası veriliyor
sabaha karşı saat 4'de aldığım bu acı haber üzerine halen uyumadım. Kara kara düşünüyorum. Ne olur bir hukukçu yardım etsin. İnternetten anlayan bir hukukçu ile görüşmem lazım acilen
- Baturica
ayıp ama ya, iyice kafeslediler interneti de! bedava saçma sapan gazete dağıtanları da engellesinler tam olsun. promosyon ürünleri dağıtanları da yasaklasınlar
- Murat Küçükosman
evet kariyer siteleri (seriilan değil) bir düzenleme ile T.C. Çal.ve Sos.Güv.Bak.lığı Türkiye İş Kurumu Gen.Müd.lüğünden Özel İstihdam Bürosu izin belgesi almalı.Örnek belge: http://www.mulakat.net/tmpl...
- Levent Bali
Eğer iş ilanları yayınlayan bir siteniz varsa 20.000 YTL bayılacaksınız işkur denilen ucubeye. Oda yetmez her 15 günde bir rapor vereceksiniz. O da yetmez ilanı gönderenden imazlı belge, o da yetmez ilana başvurandan imzalı belge, o da yetmez eğer kişi sizin aracılığınız ile işe yerleşmişse onun takibini yapacaksınız sigortası falan varmı diye
- Baturica
Sayın levent bali o kanun 6 yıldır vardı. Şimdi neden akıllarına geldi dersiniz söyliyeyim. Kariyer.net batmak üzere, Çılgın kelime başı fiyatlara ilan yayınlayan gazetelere akan oluk oluk paralar kesildi. Bu yeni düzene ayak uyduramayanların, internet özgürlüğünün hampadan paralarına enlgel koyduğunu görenlerin düzenlemeleri bunlar.
- Baturica
kariyer.net batmak üzere mi? ciddi bir iddia. konunun detaylarını bilmiyorum ama bir önceki yorumundaki şartların yerine getirilmesini istiyor ise işkur, ciddi bir iş gücü demek bu.
- Levent Bali
kariyer.net'in durumu gayet iyiymiş, ben gazetelerden şüpheleniyorum. kariyer.net'ten daha fazla sözleri geçer. gazeteler de kelime ilanlarını web ortamına aktarıp bunun üzerinden de para kazanıyorlar ve gün geçtikçe para verenlerin oranı düşüyor. levent'in de dediği gibi bu şartları yerine getirmek için bile ekip gerekiyor.
- Murat Küçükosman
İŞkur müdürlüklerinden bir çok yetkili ile görüştüm. Biz anlamayız internet minternetten diyorlar. tek bir iş ilanı bile olsa 10.000 YTL para cezası var. Eğer yine yayınlarsa 20.000 YTL.para cezası var. Üstelik sadece ilaı yayınlayana değil ilanı gönderen firmayada
- Baturica
Ücretsiz kime ne faydaları vardı ki? Kapansınlar tabi ki :)
- Ersin KOÇ
webrazzi'deki iş ilanları yüzünden arda kutsal'ı uyarmak gerek o zaman.
- Levent Bali
bir bu eksikti. ondan sonra devlet teknoloji yatirimlarina su kadar destek verecekmis vs ahkam kesiyorlar. golge etme baska ihsan istemem senden ..
- berkay
Türkiye'de işsizlik oranı neden %25 civarlarlarında belli oldu. Bu işin şakası ama iş ilanı vermenin yasaya tabi olması biraz saçma tabii.
- Baris Seker
gerçekten de yuh diyorum. yakında birileri 100 binlerce dolarlık yatırımları kendi ve yakınlarının çıkarları uğruna aynı şekilde kapatmaya başlarsa şaşırmayalım. geçmiş olsun demekten başka birşey diyemiyorum sana batur ama bugün senin başına gelen yarın başkalarının da başına farklı şekillerde gelecek bu gidişle...
- tevfik bülent öngün
monster.com.tr yayınını durdurdu. Anlamlı ve acıklı bir mesaj var anasayfada
- Baturica
ikilan.com kapanalı çok oludu. işin durumu özetleyen bir sert bir yazı var
- Baturica
bu konuda her hangi bir gelişme var mı arkadaşlar?
- Eren Emre Kanal
Monster Turkiye Recruitment İnsan Kaynakları Danışmanlık LTD. Şirketi , Türkiye İş Kurumu 11.11.2008 tarihli, 325 numaralı izin belgesi ile faaliyet göstermektedir.
- Melih Bayram Dede
www.elemanonline.com - Bu site DB DANIŞMANLIK HİZMETLERİ LTD. ŞTİ. şirketine aittir. Firmamız İşkur tarafından verilen 22.01.2008 tarih ve 265 sayılı karar ile Özel İstihdam Bürosu olarak faaliyet göstermektedir.
- Melih Bayram Dede
I also noticed that when I enabled the widget on my blog, I got unwanted borders around all my images which had the style class "thumbnail". Not sure why that happened. They went away when I removed the widget.
- Bwana ☠
"Forvo is the place where you´ll find millions of words pronounced in their original languages. Cool, isn´t it? Be a part of this cultural phenomenon now!"
- Erhan Erdogan
Now we need a Digg for tech word vocabulary. Everyone pronounces tech acronyms and such differently. Which is most popular? "My-S-Q-L or MySee-Kwell?"
- Glenn Batuyong
Damned excellent -- now this is putting the Internet to good use.
- Sean McBride
Very cool. But is it going to deal with regional variants? (I looked up "controversy" and it gave the US pronunciation, which is way different from the UK pronunciation.)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I wonder if statistical machine learning could data mine pronunciations of the same word by hundreds or thousands of speakers, and find the "best" pronunciation. (Make that, possibly, millions of speakers.)
- Sean McBride
3 days difference = "109.432 words 51.361 pronunciations 194 languages" - "106.899 words 48.643 pronunciations 193 languages" Forvo will be perfect in months.
- Erhan Erdogan
Friendfeeders who liked this item also liked http://friendfeed.com/e... (Paul, Bret or FF team around: I really love this possible *also liked* feature)
- Erhan Erdogan
i'm not sure - on the 'active rooms' - the 3rd most active room is called "Science21" - yet the last bit of activity in there was on Monday! What's going on there FFholic? :)
- Zee.
Your algorithms are pretty good, but they are only serving to fuel my addiction...please make it stop!
- Alex Scoble
where are you seeing the stats on the most active rooms?
- R. Ferguson
Zee, looks like it's probably because there are some conversations on there with over 100 comments each. The algorithm blends number of users, and numbers of likes and comments as well as recency (that's not a word is it?) of posts.
- Laura Norvig
Actually, maybe they don't even take into account how recent the posts are. Hard to tell.
- Laura Norvig
I'd like to know what goes into determining the Most Discussed post.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Actually we look at the character count total of each post and find posts with more wordly comments. Only comments sent by someone other than the original poster are taken into account.
- Baris Seker
Why are rooms missing from the most active room list? US Politics comes up as #6 in a search, but doesn't appear in the main list.
- Steve Isaacs
You're probably looking at the English rooms list. That room doesn't have a language assigned to it yet and that's why it is only in the All languages room list http://www.ffholic.com/Rooms... and not in English rooms. I admit that it is an issue though and we will get on that.
- Baris Seker
I see your apple room if I search rooms for the word "apple". It's called "Apple Announcements", but it's the same room. Is that maybe what you originally named it and somehow that has remained a permanent part of FFholic's database?
- Laura Norvig
hey Laura - thank you :) I think you're right, will drop them an email - hopefully it can be changed.
- Zee.
The room and user names get refreshed as soon as we can. It may take up to a few days depending on the popularitity of the room and user.
- Baris Seker
It's a good thing that you credited the right Scoble. Thanks for that. :) Of course this brings up the questions, how will you figure out what discussions are high quality?
- Alex Scoble
I don't see you guys responding. It's been over 10mins...LOL. What makes a high-quality discussion?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
We believe high quality discussions doesn't have 1 word comments like "Wow", "LOL", "HaHa" and etc. Do you think it is true and do you have any suggestions to improve it? And actually do you find the current most discussed entries list useful and high quality?
- FFholic.com
Request: RSS feeds for Most Discussed English Entries on FriendFeed and Most Liked English Entries on FriendFeed.
- Sean McBride
The meaning of "Most Discussed" vs. "Most Commented" is hard to distinguish. I don't think "Most Discussed" is the right label.
- Laura Norvig
FFholic: this entry (one of mine) occupied the number 1 slot on FFholic's Most Discussed English Entries earlier this evening: http://tinyurl.com/42dvdq Later in the evening it disappeared from the list. What happened?
- Sean McBride
Most discussed entries have more wordy comments than average. We have a simple algorithm but I think it is pretty successful at picking out the hottest discussions.
- Baris Seker
Great -- found the icon for the RSS feeds. This is a valuable service you folks have put together. You are doing much of the data mining I requested from Friendfeed a few months ago.
- Sean McBride
Baris: how do you define "more wordy"? Total number of words in the discussion? Total length of the words in the discussion as measured by characters? Vocabulary level of words in the discussion? (I have a special interest in automated methods for measuring the cognitive complexity of texts.) Thanks. Again, love your work here.
- Sean McBride
Do you guys track "most blocked"? Might be doing us all a service.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Jay -- an even more interesting metric to data mine -- social networks which engage in the most blocking.
- Sean McBride
Baris -- regarding the RSS feed for Most Discussed English Entries: is there any chance you could include in the feed the text of the initial entries, with clickable links to the Friendfeed discussions? Currently the feed only provides clickable access to the links pointed to by the entries.
- Sean McBride
Sean: Internally we were debating whether we should give the original link or the friendfeed link on the entries. I'll post a discussion and see what people think. Thanks
- Baris Seker
Baris -- I for one would like to be able to see both the original and Friendfeed links for entries, as well as all the comments (as in the feed for Friendfeed Best of Day). What do you think?
- Sean McBride
Baris: Might this be possible with FFholic? Rank Friendfeed users by number of links PLUS likes PLUS discussions PLUS subscriptions shared with me. (Shared discussions: users who have made comments under the same entries I have made comments.)
- Sean McBride
“What should be the next feature of FFholic? You can request features either here or just send us an email. (contact -a t- ffholic.com)” - http://friendfeed.com/e...
Since you now discovered some rooms, we'd like to get (request) a quick room search. Results could include # of users, activity stats etc. ;)
- AJ Batac
Something's not quite right with the most active rooms list...There's a room called Science21 which is apparently third most active yet nothing has been posted in it for a few days and the last comment was yesterday sometime...surely that's broken, no?
Rooms get their activity points assigned for the last 30 days. One room may not have any activity for the last week and may be on top of the list because it was very active the previous 3 weeks. We will take this as a suggestion and may be add a 24 hr/7 day option to the activity lists. Thanks
- Baris Seker
How often does FFHolic get updated? Seems like my stats have stayed the same for a while even though I've been subscribing to people and commenting/liking at a fairly good rate.
Sorry, I misunderstood what you meant by "profile" pages (I thought you meant full feed). Are you actively monitoring the profile urls, or are you just curious?
- Paul Buchheit
I think they are going to add it at some other point. They had no mention of sup in their blog.
- Colide81 (James)
We are monitoring profile feeds quite a lot. The sup_id would help reduce the bandwidth. Also a sup_id on the entry feed would be nice: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Baris Seker
Unfortunately I just learned about what sup_id is. When I was developing the system (ffholic) in mid-August, I saw the tag in the feed but I couldn't find anything about it. Maybe I should have looked more.
- Baris Seker
Is this something that could be added quickly or do we need to wait for the new beta?
- Baris Seker
I wonder if they weight comments more than likes, etc,.
- Mattie Kenny
Here's how they score stuff: Point value of each activity is as follows: Comments*: 4 points, Likes: 1 point, FriendFeed originated entries: 4 points, Other entries: 1 point, * If written to an entry other than yours
- Alex Scoble
Oh forgot I changed my name...my original is 367th
- cjmart
8986th I didn't expect to be up there with you guys.. but almost 9000th? Have some catching up to do :P
- Nancy M.
hah I had never seen that site before, I think it's ranking is a little off (I dont see how I can possibly be the 310th most active user!)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
There are militia groups in parts of Africa that believe dressing like this is powerful magic that will protect them in battle. There are groups that all dress in one bright color, or all wear womens' clothing, etc.
- Internet's Tad
"This is my rifle, these are my wings. This is for fighting, these are for...uh...a screw it, they're just so gee-golly cute"
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If I'm in Africa and a load of Warlords rock up shooting automatic weapons in the air whilst wearing women's clothing I'll be seriously worried for my sanity!
- Toby Graham
@Pope Tad: Cross Dressing Death Squads....nice
- Live4Emma (L4S)
The sad thing about this, is those gun totters are kids and the one with the wings is just acting like a kid in between doing some very bad things
- RAPatton
Baris, i agree - there is definitely a sad element to it...no doubt. But that comment by slippy just now had me laughing out loud.
- Zee.
baris et al, I'm not denying the sad truth indicated by this picture and I hope my comments do not cause offense. The simple fact is that we find humour in the strangest places and for the oddest reasons, and it is possible to acknowledge the humour in a situation alongside the inhumanity.
- Slappy Line
I didn't really reply to the other comments. I just wanted to say how I felt about the picture. I don't think anybody is offended. Slippy's comment is funny.
- Baris Seker
It's all good. I just wanted to get that out there.
- Slappy Line
It seems the quality level here has gone down as people try to move up the FFholic page. If this continues I will change who I subscribe to. I want to have items that make me smarter, not more entertained.
Guess you will have to unsubscribe from me then :)
- Alex Scoble
That's a bit harsh and demanding but then again you don't subscribe to me anyway
- Toby Graham
@Greybeard: It's not harsh at all. If I think someone's not giving me quality, I will completely hide them from sight.
- Ben Parr
I think I want a little of both, plus collaboration and friendships. Just me, though. :P
- Neal Jansons
from twhirl
I suddenly feel like I'm being lectured. I'm sure that wasn't your intent, but, that's funny anyway.
- Yolanda
Agreed. FF is getting simultaneously rancorous and "fluffy". Rabid political attacks alternating with endless pix of kittens peeking out of teapots. I can live without both.
- Sprague D
we're not all here for the same reasons...
- Internet's Tad
I think intelligent conversations are going to stem from topics that look at the larger picture. What are some of those that you'd want to talk about?
- Patricia
It sounds a bit harsh, it does, but aye kin see if ye only use FF for smarts and whatnot
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
For once Robert, you and I are in complete agreement. I have yet to even look at FFHolic and I doubt that I ever will.
- Aaron Krug
I feel sorry for anyone who can live without kittens. ;) Odd, how people tell me similar things when I say I'm Agnostic.
- Alex Scoble
Robert, I think now is a good time to start using the FF beta list feature. You can move the people that post mostly entertainment off your main feed and into a "fun" list.
- Alan Le
Robert, I'm with Yolanda and find this a little harsh. Sorry that FF is not up to your liking (maybe its to others though??) but if you reading/receiving posts you don't like then it's completely up to you if you wish to hide/unsubscribe that post/person. And you can easily create your own friends list. A little confused, sorry.
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
greybeard: anyone who links to the BBC doesn't have to worry. Subscribed! Yolanda: I +was+ lecturing! :-) Alex: if the shoe fits. I like noise, but there was an increase in the noise force and if that is the way it will be I will look toward people providing good stuff that makes me smarter. I don't watch Entertainment Tonight for a reason.
- Robert Scoble
i looked at ffholic once, chuckled, moved on. ranking people is worthless imho. truly worthless. creates frustration, envy, and reinforces the worst attributes of people.
- Jeremy Toeman
I second being sick of kitties in teapots, as well as all other trite imagery and obvious Photoshopping. I try to hide it as much as possible and I definitely don't add any more fluff like that.
- Kamilah Gill
Kol: it was harsh for a reason. Life is harsh. Ask an NYC trader.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know that FFholic is really in the back of most folks' minds. What I do expect is that you are starting to see cliques evolve even more so, and that some cliques are ones you and I would rather not be in. That's a natural evolution.
- Louis Gray
I think the problem has less to do with FFholic and more to do with the lame "talk like an idiot" day(s).
- Nathaniel Payne
I like FF, I think it's a good mix of tech and fun...I think you just gotta pair down your follow list and you'll be fine...But with popularity comes the populous so short of setting up your own closed invite-only environment, there's not much you can do here but fish or cut bait...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Louis: understood. I will start using lists more like Alan suggests
- Robert Scoble
Well, I think you pegged it a long time ago, Robert... You are defined by who you follow... so is your feed... if you don't like what its (or you) have become, time to make some changes. Fortunately FF makes it easy to do so. :)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Obviously I touched a nerve here. That is interesting too.
- Robert Scoble
I actually don't believe in subscribing to 200+ people, although clearly that expands my reach and the positive affirmation I could get here. So, in being selective, I tend not to blame the community for content that doesn't interest me, but rather my own selections. How does that logic grab you?
- Marko Bon
from fftogo
Platy: that is why I say you are defined not by who follows you but who you follow. Obviously I am about to redefine myself.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, life might be harsh, but this is just FriendFeed, not life. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Marko, completely agree, hence why I'm confused with Robert's comments. Just cut down on your friends or create a friends list with the people you want to read. And, as a bonus, click Hide. ;-) Robert, how do you read through FF?
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
Do you only watch one type of TV show? One genre of movie? Talk about only one topic, ever? Most likely not. I like FF because it is so diverse and dynamic. And the perfect solution as you stated would be using the lists, if you feel certain people ONLY dish out one type of thing. Since most don't, you will probably miss out on a bunch of stuff, which may be your goal in the first place :)
- Josh Haley
Josh, if Robert does, then he should subscribe to one type of FFer. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I find myself atop the list; dunno why, don't care if I stay there. I comment and share as I will, as I am. That means humour, intelligent discussion, a simple agreement, disagreement, word of support, or a semi-rare rant. That means being myself and letting the subscriptions take care of themselves. I tend to subscribe to people who do so similarly. FFeed is what you make it.
- Michael W. May
I can understand the logic, but I don't agree. The site is called "FriendFeed" not "LectureSmartFeed." While it's nice to have educating information on here, it's also nice to be entertained by interesting stories that I wouldn't have found otherwise. I see the site more as a pool of information both educational and entertaining.
- James Ferguson
Haley. I like a little variety, even noise. But when I refresh and see nothing but I know something changed in the force. I refresh FF hundreds of times a day.
- Robert Scoble
On the mark. Entertainment is good but being smarter / more in touch is best.
- David Z
@theposterformerlyknownasAlexScoble, I love cats. I live with 2 of them. All the more reason I don't need a steady stream of pukey-cute kitties & doggies to look at. I seriously wish more folks had gotten a little more art education so they'd have a better idea which images are really worth bothering with...
- Kamilah Gill
Variety is the spice of life, Robert. No, wait FF is not life or is it? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert, have you tried friends lists? I would suggest this is the simple answer.
- Kol Tregaskes
I agree: this is aggregation aggravation
- Anna Camara
Honestly FFHolic is not getting that many visitors. So being on the list wouldn't impress a lot of people. Also, we didn't create the lists to make people compete with each other but to let people outside the blogging community to see what the buzz of the day is.
- Baris Seker
The problem might get worse now that you mentioned FFholic, Robert. I bet there were still a few folks who hadn't heard of it yet.
- Kamilah Gill
You do need a bit of chill-out time from all this tech posts. Robert, are you just after tech-news?
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert Scoble - Friendfeed software needs to be smart enough to automatically restructure and optimize to your interests in real time your social networks and personal information flow. Imagine when 10 billion people are using a program like Friendfeed. Only the most minute percentage of communications is going to be of interest to each of us. No one using Google Reader would complain about the availability of too many feeds -- you simply select to follow those feeds that are most interesting.
- Sean McBride
Hey, if you don't know FFholic, you're not an early adopter. :)
- Sean McBride
Kol: you can see what I like here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- yeah, tech heavy, but I go for anything that makes me a smarter person. Cat photos? Hardly ever. That's my brother's job and I just typically hide them unless they are only the best of the best.
- Robert Scoble
I "like" what I want and don't expect others to feel the same way. I also hate seeing politics flooding my FF, but haven't griped about it (before now). And I've never heard of FFHolic. But that's the hit or miss of FF, I guess. Some really awesome random stuff that one would like can pop up, but also the not so really interesting bits too.
- Arlan Koizumi
I don't mean to offend...I respect you and everything you talk about/share with us...but can you take a quick look at this and maybe share your opinion?
- David Cook
As much as I like the "you are who you follow" argument, to Robert's point, look at who are the most active people on FriendFeed. Look at what the most popular stories are. Regardless of who you follow, you're not going to avoid what everyone on FriendFeed is liking, commenting on, and posting.
- Mark Trapp
Was that a threat, Robert? I think it is funny that there is so much bitching about FriendFeed being too much about social media and techies.. and now that people are beginning to use it for entertainment.. there's a problem :) That being said, you should begin using lists, or just unsubscribe from those whose content you don't like... but you'll probably have to turn off foaf as well, if you don't want any entertainment at all... or just go back to google reader!
- Tim Hoeck
It's only a threat if people see some value in me following them. I doubt they do. Anyway, I am starting to use rooms. With 3,000 it's a bit tough to categorize everyone, but I'm working on it.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, I have been using the lists to filter out people who give me stuff I don't care about, and I've turned of Friend-of-a-Friend. Even then, people who I want to follow because I like them and they are interesting are also interested in things that I don't care about. People have diverging tastes, and the really popular memes are almost universal: look how long it took for Bacon to die out. Unless you don't subscribe to anyone, the "rethink your subscriptions" cliché doesn't solve the problem.
- Mark Trapp
This is the first time this post has actually made it to my FF page 1 today, which speaks to how busy FF is today. I've not yet read the comments above, however I will say that I think it's rather presumptuous to assume that people are trying to move up the FFholic page. Many of us were surprised at the results, and at least one person has decided to take a FF hiatus due to the results on that page....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Hey, maybe Robert can call for a Serious-Chatter-Only Corporate Version complete with his special personal wish-list of features, and it can win TC next year. What a hoot!
- abacab
... It's been said many *many* times over that the wider the audience on any social site gets, the broader the interests get. FF is no exception. Options are to either subscribe to a narrow interest niche or a broad variety of people. It's a personal preference, and if you're looking for nothing but intellectualism I would venture that you'll have to look harder and harder for it as more and more people join.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
kol: actually, the time I spend here is life and if FF continues in the direction of a bored high school study hall, I'll spend a lot less of my life here than I do now.
- Bill Sanders
The language detection is provided by Google. I am guessing it is not working correctly all the time. Do you know what percentage of Arabic entries are actually Persian?
- Baris Seker
i have checked it until the last page. all of them are Persian entries. there isn't any Arabic entries among them. Persian characters are similar to Arabic but our grammar are completely different and we have four more character , "گ" , "چ" , "پ" and "ژ"
- امیرعباس
We will remove Arabic and replace it with Persian then. Thanks
- Baris Seker