Should the moment when once-almighty but now-weakening Tribe ever break, a babel of voices will scatter us to the winds. Pioneers within some communities need a stable home and have already begun seeding new fora. Many sites and platforms can host, but to stream them back together into a conversation, few but Friendfeed can scale to the task. Welcome the vanguard.
"For all the frustration, anxiety, stress, and heartache this year’s ticket lottery has caused, please accept another humble apology. Photo by John Curley This is no time for issuing statements or putting a spin on anything. The system may have worked, but the cultural outcome sure didn’t, and even though some of you saw that coming and said so, we didn’t, and for that we are sorry. The current trajectory is not acceptable. Even people who did get tickets aren’t cheering right now, since so many of their camps and friends are standing out in the cold. Entire groups are worried they’ll have to scrap all their plans. Burning Man is a participatory and collaborative event, and many collaborations are perilously close to falling apart. Clearly we must reevaluate, but first we want to say more about what we’ve heard, how we got here, and what our next steps will be."
- joey
from Bookmarklet
I'm not going this year, but there is a part of me that is hugely disappointed with the entire process and how it was handled and a part of me that is delighting in the chaos and the opportunity for BRC to redefine itself again. There is also a part of me that doesn't think their numbers add up quite yet.
- joey
Also, I love that someone suggested in all seriousness to move the event to somewhere 'less hospitable' in order to reduce demand. Never in my life have I been anywhere less convenient or hospitable than the current location of Black Rock City where it is still possible to hold an event.
- joey
Agree on all counts. I think the big problem now is that I'd bet more than 20k tickets are in the hands of scalpers and speculators.
- Stephen Mack
joey, less hospitable = Antarctica - you would have a heck of a time getting the larger art installations there though. ;)
- Rachel Lea Fox
Rachel, that I would qualify as not possible to hold an event ;) At least not for 50,000 people who like burning things. Hee!
- joey
The burning man would look beautiful sitting on ice! :)
- Rachel Lea Fox
From the blog post: "The Burning Man organization recognizes that the ticket registration and random drawing process has caused many participants frustration and concern over whether they can attend the event this year." ... "We believe we need two weeks to let the dust settle to see how much redistribution happens. Even with that redistribution we know that key people and projects may not get confirmations in time to move forward with their plans. We are looking at options to keep that from happening." ... "Not everyone who wants a ticket this year will get one, that is clear — the demand clearly exceeds supply. But we are going to do everything we can in the coming days to ensure that we preserve and respect the community that supports and creates this event both in the short term and long term. We will be reaching out to you and working with you to make that happen. We recognize that we have work to do to repair the faith in the organization. We are very sorry for the frustration, anxiety and deep disappointment this year’s ticketing experience has caused for so many citizens of Black Rock City."
- Stephen Mack
from Bookmarklet
Want to go to Comic-Con 2012? You have to get a Member ID before they open up the system for ticket purchase. Here's the page you have to go to to get your Member ID: https://secure2.comic-con.org/memberi... Seriously. It's like every large convention has turned stupid this year.
- Kevin Fox
Stephen, I was surprised to see the admission in the email from them, since last week they INSISTED that it was all the theme camps who had extra tickets even though everyone was reporting that theme camps were generally completely screwed on tickets. I would like to see them admit that the original lottery promises weren't even held to, though, and now they are just releasing the last...
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- joey
Joey, I agree -- too complex and too poorly communicated from the start, and the BMorg was too stubborn to listen to all the feedback they got that it was a highly flawed and doomed approach they took this year. Kevin's absolutely right, CC's system is a million times better than this ridiculous nightmare (and I say that as a person who managed to get tickets in the first lottery).
- Stephen Mack
And I predict that STEP at the end of the month won't solve the problem. There will still be many complaints from the community. And sometime around then is when they'll realize that about 20k tickets are in the hands of scalpers and speculators.
- Stephen Mack
Damn! I was going celebrate my Reno relocation by going to Burning Man. It sells tickets? And does it this early? (that's way more corporate than I expected!)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudi, yup, it's been a early-ticket-required thing for many years now. In part because of how much planning is needed -- they really want to discourage people from showing up at the gate on the night of the burn in the desert with no food and water. For good reason. For many years, the earlier you bought a ticket, the cheaper that ticket was. About 10 years ago they stopped selling last...
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- Stephen Mack
Would it be all that hard to organize a knock off event like two weeks before in the same spot?
- Dario Gomez
Dario, it's public land, run by the BLM, and they would need to approve and give a permit. The logistics of the setup are staggering. (Porta potties, insurance, security, infrastructure, tickets.) You couldn't produce a similar event without immense effort.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
But given the possible profits, and starting off smaller it sounds possible. I'm not into burning man, but I like free markets. I'm a little surprised some corporate entity hasn't started thinking about this.
- Dario Gomez
Dario: Burning Man is all about trying to avoid anything free-market. This is their attempt to deny reality, and it has of course failed.
- Brian Johns
Also, there have been competing events (4th of Juplaya and Burning Bush come to mind) that attempt to recreate some of what Burning Man is and was. The BLM is catching on though, and implementing special closures and controls to fight the proliferation of them.
- Brian Johns
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"people are VERY EAGER to go to Burning Man this year. So much so, in fact, that they found creative ways to increase their odds of getting tickets in the Main Sale."
- chaz2b
from Bookmarklet
"In an effort to create equal opportunity for participants to purchase tickets for Burning Man 2012, tickets will be sold via three different methods. There will be two rounds of tickets provided by a random selection process, followed by one round of open ticket sales. We will also again offer a low income ticket program through special application. More information about the low income program will be posted soon."
- Stephen Mack
I. PRE-SALE TICKETS -- 3,000 TICKETS SOLD VIA RANDOM SELECTION NOV/DEC 2011 -- $420 + s/h -- LIMIT 4 PER PERSON A Pre-Sale round will be conducted in November/December 2011: • Participants seeking early access to full price tickets can register for the Pre-Sale during a two-week period from November 28 until December 11, 2011 (at 11:59pm PST). • Entrants will need to provide a valid...
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- Stephen Mack
II. MAIN SALE -- 40,000 TICKETS SOLD VIA RANDOM SELECTION JANUARY 2012 -- $240/$320/$390 + s/h -- LIMIT 2 PER PERSON AT ALL TIERS • Participants will register for the Main Sale during a two-week period from January 9 until January 22 (at 11:59pm PST), 2012. • Entrants will need to provide a valid credit or debit card number at the time of registration. • On or before February 1, a...
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- Stephen Mack
III. SECONDARY OPEN SALE -- 10,000 TICKETS (INCLUDING ANY REMAINING TICKETS FROM MAIN SALE) – MARCH 2012 -- $390 + s/h -- LIMIT 4 PER PERSON • Once lotteries are completed, 10,000 tickets will be held aside for open sale, plus any unclaimed tickets from the Main Sale. • These tickets will be sold until they are gone.
- Stephen Mack
ALL physical tickets from ALL THREE sales (except those that were designated to be held at Will Call) will be mailed in June 2012. GATE AND WALK-UP OUTLET SALES: Tickets will NOT be sold at the Gate to Black Rock City, nor at Walk-Up Outlets. RESALE TICKETS: Burning Man plans to create a centralized online system to facilitate the resale of unwanted/unneeded tickets. More details will...
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- Stephen Mack
I still cannot even handle this new system. It's completely ridiculous.
- joey
I. PRE-SALE TICKETS -- 3,000 TICKETS SOLD VIA RANDOM SELECTION NOV/DEC 2011 -- $420 + s/h -- LIMIT 4 PER PERSON A Pre-Sale round will be conducted in November/December 2011: Participants seeking early access to full price tickets can register on http://tickets.burningman.com for the Pre-Sale during a two-week period from November 28 (at 12 noon PST) until December 11, 2011 (at 11:59pm PST). Entrants will need to provide a valid credit or debit card number at the time of registration. On or before December 19, a random drawing from the pool of entrants will be conducted to award 3,000 tickets at a Pre-Sale price of $420. If you are awarded tickets, your credit card will be charged for the total amount of your tickets at that time. Those who are awarded tickets will receive notification via email that their credit cards have been charged for their tickets, along with a gift certificate suitable for printing. Any entrants who do not receive one of these Pre-Sale Tickets will automatically be entered into the Main Sale.
- Stephen Mack
from Bookmarklet
I signed up. $420 x 3 + $1 + $18 + $12 = $1291. That's an awful lot for camping in the desert.
- Stephen Mack
Are later rounds more or less money? Edit: n/m. I just read the other post with the details.
- Brian Johns
Not sure...will be really interesting to see how this plays out for larger camps if half the camp can't attend. I'm curious to see whether, rather than making tickets non-transferable, adding a lottery will only drive up the prices of second-hand tickets because of the 'chance' involved in obtaining them.
- joey
Oh, it's still transferable? I guess that's something.
- Andrew C (✓)
They haven't said it isn't, but to me it just invites scalpers to get in even earlier in the game because all tickets are now perceived as scarce, not just tickets remaining closer to the event. I'm trying to be open-minded about this but it sounds like complete chaos for a participatory event. Especially since they announced it so suddenly so comparatively late. I guess you 'bid' on...
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- joey
Info dump: "MPORTANT 2012 BURNING MAN TICKET INFORMATION Changes and improvements are afoot for ticket sales to Burning Man 2012! Here's a first look at what to expect -- stand by for more complete information soon, but for now (we know, you're wondering!) here's a quick overview: 2011 provided two compelling reasons to change how tickets are sold: a challenging ticket launch day, and...
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- Stephen Mack