Should the moment when once-almighty but now-weakening Tribe ever break, a babel of voices will scatter us to the winds. Pioneers within some communities need a stable home and have already begun seeding new fora. Many sites and platforms can host, but to stream them back together into a conversation, few but Friendfeed can scale to the task. Welcome the vanguard.
Woah, it's only been 45 days since Burning Man ended and the Playa has gone from 100 degrees to sub-freezing and snowy! Talk about rapid weather shift! - http://blog.burningman.com/...
What is Burning Man like? I agree with Steven Mack: "I have many different answers to that but right now the best one is in this video" - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
<3 I almost wish you hadn't posted this, though, because I am very emotionally attached to this part of Burning Man and will be sensitive about comments.
- joey
What could be done with any materials that people use for non-essential functions? Books, films, paintings, general art installations, computers, televisions, iPods, iPhones, elaborate clothing, convenience appliances, and so on and so on?
- joey
There are people for whom this event is helpful and significant and cathartic. No one is forcing you to take part.
- joey
Or even comment. Those with negative comments are invited to hide this thread.
- veo
I don't have any problem with them doing it, as long as not a single, solitary one of these hippie freaks tries to block traffic in SF with their bikes or keep me from burning wood.
- Cristo
Objective discussion on the pros and cons to Burning Man is welcome but useless naysaying and threats of violence are not welcome.
- veo
My threats of violence are only for people who write *yawn* and *Big Yawn* as their comments.
- Cristo
Cristo, so basically you're saying you are against people being able to do what they want and have a society? You better quit your job and move into the mountains.
- veo
veo, I don't see where you get that from what I said. Besides, what makes you think I have a job?
- Cristo
Cristo, there will always be self-righteous, hypocritical, obnoxious people out of a group of 50,000.
- joey
*steals thousands of bicycles just prior to the next Critical Mass*
- Joe Silence
How many heretics could one burn on a pyre that size?
- Christopher Harley
You said you don't mind them doing it as long as they don't block you in traffic. Lots of people block you in traffic. If you don't want people in your way, you should get away from all people.
- veo
joey, yeah.. But a much higher percentage of them are self-righteous people at burning man who live in the bay area.
- Cristo
Dead Silence: haha, I'm with you on the critical mass thing.
- veo
actually, stealing bikes would be a really mean thing to do. i would just organise flash crowds to get in the way of the cyclists.
- Joe Silence
veo, i was making reference to critical mass. I'm guessing there's a huge overlap between burning man people and critical mass people.
- Cristo
I can guarantee you in a population of 50,000 at burning man, there are more people who don't get involved in critical mass then there are who do. If it were a venn diagram, it might be a tiny tiny sliver of overlap in the populations. Stating that burners = critical mass riders is kind of ridiculous.
- veo
Christo is your comment right now or should we wait for you to retype?
- Joe
i only personally know 3 people involved with Critical Mass. two of them are apolitical trust fund kids in their late 20s with coke habits and the other is a deeply closeted and violently homophobic 50something who voted for McCain and still has the bumper sticker on his SUV.
- Joe Silence
J, we should wait until you spell my name right.
- Cristo
*looks at Aciva's comment and smirks, then yawns*
- Joe
Actually one year (1997) when the burn was in a different location, someone built a water woman that sprayed water out of her nipples. http://www.dharmabum.com/burning...
- veo
Haha, woah, apparently someone has spun the water woman off into a whole other festival that takes place annually in Joshua Tree: http://www.waterwomanproject.org/...
- veo
Well Veo any excuse for a party is a good one.
- Joe
I don;t see any video live yet. just audio
- Josh Haley
I've never seen it from this vantage.. it's amazing how large the sea of neon light and el-wire is. That's thousands and thousands and thousands of people having the time of their lives.
- veo
Stick with it Josh.. The video takes awhile to buffer with this many viewers.
- veo
Ah, Burning Man. Where LL Bean, Hot Topic, and Etsy people can hang out together as equals.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Burning Man has to be experienced for real. This vid feed is .00001%, but kind of fun anyway.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Micah, you just gave me an idea. Hmmm.
- Josh Haley
Burning Man: where people can pay to experience what Africans experience for free... oh, except for the art, food, and drugs.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've always suspected the fire conclave (fire performance at the base of the man) went on for almost 2 hours but I never had a watch on the playa. Watching from the comfort of home I can finally see they really DO go for almost 2 hours.
- veo
I have to say though, I am enjoying the fact that my feet are not caked in playa.
- joey
Joey, Yep.. the theme next year is Metropolis
- veo
Burning Man: It's like Second Life. Only worse.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm not listening to the stream.. I'm watching 'the hangover'
- veo
Josh, forget the sweaty hippies. Watch Dale Chihuly and his crew blow glass. That's sweaty worth seeing.
- Micah Wittman
Cristo: Yep! People start leaving on friday night
- veo
Oh, I want to see the Temple and then see it burn.
- joey
Scott: it's kind of accurate. It's impossible to describe, really. Its like a lot of things, but totally unique. Green is kind of like yellow and blue, but totally different.
- veo
Trying to explain why Burning Man is a pretentious farce to someone who likes Burning Man is a bit like trying to explain what a particular color looks like to someone who has had a full frontal lobotomy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Someone suggesting that you go to Burning Man is like someone tasting something, proclaiming that it tastes like shit, and then insisting that you try it, too.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's a place where people can go to be totally free and do whatever they want. It's an adult playground. There is no place like that in western culture. It may seem hippy dippy and pretentious from the outside but thats only because you haven't gone. :P
- veo
veo, it's called your living room. In fact, I'm more likely to be totally free and do whatever I want in my own home than I am in the desert with a bunch of assholes.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, well lucky for you, no one is forcing you to go!
- joey
Burning Man: It hurts less if you just get it over with faster.
- Josh Haley
Rob, nope. It just irritates me to no end. It's the height of hippy-dippy pretension and experience elitism.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Also, the black rock desert is easily one of the most beautiful places on earth. It's like going to an absolutely surreal landscape and stumbling upon huge circus/carnival full of space aliens. It may not be your thing, but I find it awesome.
- veo
Akiva just has an axe to grind. Everyone freaks out about it year after year and he's probably tired of hearing about it.
- veo
Burning Man: Ridding the world of heretics since 33 AD
- Josh Haley
It's partially that, true. I am sick to death of hearing about it. But, also, I'll put up any one of the Gonzo Summer experiences against Burning Man and will walk away victorious each time.
- Akiva Moskovitz
They put Ryan Seacrest in charge, so they need to prolong the anticipation
- Josh Haley
Well, having been through gonzo summer and burning man I can say that they are different experiences. Different rewards, different challenges. :P
- veo
Burning Man is many things but it's not about resource conservation.
- veo
Based on ticket prices, I'd say it was about capitalism and greed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Based on the BMOrgs open financial records it's about building the infrastructure for 50k people to have a giant party in the desert for a week. :P
- veo
From the newspaper's Art section blog post by Dan Taylor: "Jeannie Schulz, widow of 'Peanuts' cartoonist Charles Schulz, is taking up a boat-shaped car with a cutout of Snoopy on the bow. The name of the craft? 'H.M.S. Beagle,' of course, with no apologies to Charles Darwin, who sailed on the original craft of that title. This year’s Burning Man theme is evolution, after all. 'I loved Burning Man last year. I took up "Peanuts" books to share, and volunteered in the coffee shop,' Jeannie said. 'This year, I can be a taxi. I think the H.M.S. Beagle will be a popular form of transportation.'"
- Stephen Mack
from Bookmarklet
There's also the SF Gate user-submitted forum page. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin... It's got some great pics, but it's not easy to share them with the bookmarklet. Also slow navigation. :(
- Stephen Mack
Attended 3 times. Missed in 2005 as I was stuck in the Superdome during Katrina. THANKS and love to anyone who assisted New Orleans after you finished the Burn. Would much rather have been at Jiffy Lube or Center Camp. Fyi, if anyone is interested here's my memoir of my experience: 25% of all profits from new sales go to NOLA charities.
Leave No Trace philosophy helps find Fossett: “Preston didn't realize what he found until the next day… He just thought he was taking some trash out of the wilderness, so he took it home”
- John Lam
from Bookmarklet
With 50000 exodus, Gerlach has long been the choke. Can nobody devise a scheme for travelers leaving northwest on NV-447 and otherwise bypassing Gerlach? Why not use a special exodus lane, with flagged escort along NV-34 to 447. Those using it must depart northwest and not turn back. To prevent cheaters from turning south, close 447 southbound at NV-34 and staff with sheriff during peak exodus. It'd alleviate congestion for *everybody*.
- John Lam
Urban Planning: a panel discussion with Larry Harvey, Black Rock City planner Rod Garrett, Eye of camp Disorient, and London-based architect Haylay Fitchett ·... - http://bitethe.com/brb...
Some of the most amazing art I've ever seen. Concentric circles are like the coolest things next to spirals, but I see you covered those bases too. All of the pieces in this post are phenomenal, and I went to art school for four years just to be able to appreciate stuff like this.
- Parker Catalano
Suggested pre Burning Man reading from a friend: Preacher comics. She says "If that's not America, I don't know what is." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
I'm very much going to try to construct a slave Leia constume from this year's Bman. What other costumes are people thinking for this year's American Dream theme.
A remarkable linkmarking app, Twine goes deeper than words (lexical units) and uses the Semantic Web to organize and draw together related ideas, events, people, organizations, and contexts. Now in stage one, your submissions go into a “twine”, a group and collection, all about Burning Man.
- John Lam
Just before creating this “twine” mistakenly, i searched not only Twine but also via Google for “Burning Man” and “BurningMan” and found no such group …apologies for the confusion. I know i dislike finding duplicated tribes, twines, and groups fracturing the discussion and collection. Please join http://twine.com/twine... instead and post there. As soon as Radar Networks enables merge, i hope to merge the two.
- John Lam