Funny how the startup life of late nights and constant code-cleaning begins after u come out of beta in this case :)
- Kamath (नमः)
Congratulations. I'm on leave enjoying the first weeks of our baby girl's life & our +1 family: do make sure to make time for this if you can!
- Wade Dorrell
Congrats. Just brought our fourth, a little boy, home today. Kids are a wonderful blessing!
- Gary Gifford Jr
from iPhone
here's my advice about having two babies in your house: let me tell you that is a lot of babies. you might want to add a third adult to your household to scale the load :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
I'd argue it already is happening in smaller chunks. Automated tools are extracting tags from web data and assigning them with some confidence levels. Isolated connected graphs have happened, they're just much harder to realize. How about a "soft semantic web" where data association is stronger?
- Mark Essel
A bet needs a time-frame though... How about in the next 5 years?
- mikepk
mikepk, We're betting on one to happen before the other. But your right there should be a wash date. "hey we're both wearing diapers and looking at our dentures fiz, let's call this bet off."
- Mark Essel
Academic books are $60 to $120 each and weigh many pounds. If they can get even half of the academic books ported to the Kindle this is a big win for students, even though it is expensive.
- Robert Scoble
I can imagine universities giving Kindles to first-year students or at least offering them to students at a reduced cost. I don't think we'll see a huge reduction in the price of text books, because you will still be paying for publisher costs.
- Nathan Finley
My books from school had a lot of text marked in yellow or pink, to remember what was important. I think it would take a lot to get use to using the Kindle
- Asgeir
Asgeir - you can bookmark, highlight and annotate text in Kindle
- Jamie
scoble: are the text books free then?
- Riaz Kanani
@Asgeir It is really only a matter of a couple of years that students will have NOT known that Kindles and other readers haven't always been around. To them it will be a natural to tag, search, share, etc.
- Jim Espinoza
It really is expensive. And you know textbooks are still going to cost $100+ each.
- Barry Biddlecomb
from twhirl
If the books are cut down to about half the price because of the kindle, every student will get one. I need to spend 200+ on books every quarter, and that's with buying used and looking for the best deal.
- robbie nakamura
the text books don't have to be *free*. if you spend $900 on textbooks a year (http://www.uspirg.org/higher-...), the Amazon textbooks just have to be 14% cheaper than the paper versions (saving you $126/year) for the Kindle DX to pay for itself after 4 years.
- Karim
good analysis here of why it's good for the publishers, too: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL... basically, without printing and shipping costs, they can sell books at lower cost but with a higher margin. Amazon is trying to do to books what Apple did to music. :-)
- Karim
good point karim - ebooks are cheaper typically than books.. so could be good if text books see the same level of discounting
- Riaz Kanani
so what is going to happened to libraries, if books in the future is digital?. Perhaps one day we can rent a book and read it on the Kindle?
- Asgeir
The Kindle is still a novelty until it comes with colour and supports graphic novels/comics, with backing from Marvel and DC. And drops to about $199. Then they'll be flying off the shelves. As it is now it's an expensive gimmick. What amazes me about the DX is you now need two hands to read. Can't be long until the market is flooded with cheaper, smaller alternatives. Or more likely...
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- Shéa Bennett
Kindle should come in 2 flavors IMHO... Wireless G and EVDO. I already have sprint internet on my phone. I won't buy a kindle to pay for a connection I already have.
- Tendonitis' Bitch
Students already have laptops: they need PDFs not another large device to lug. Physical books sell used @ 50% eBooks are new only
- Tyler Ham
My experience in the UK at least is that the ebook versions are not cheaper, can usually find printed ones heavily discounted. Although we can't actually get the Kindle, only other brands like Sony and have to buy ebooks from Waterstones or WHSmith. Will Amazon launch in UK soon?
- Steven Horner
from Nambu
I pay a $95 fee per class for e-books at the University of Phoenix - if I could get them on a Kindle, for half the cost (assuming a partnership between Amazon and U of P), I'd do it in a blink
- William Harryman
I'd love something that is, well, like a book. Small and foldable. I couldn't take this on the train to read. People are used to reading books why not design to feel like one. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazon is still only aiming this at the American market, once they go global, it will be quite a different story.
- chris demeyere
Is 500$ too much for being able to sit in the sun, save trees and finally read programming papers without code snippets getting messed up?
- Thomas Amberg
If my textbooks were available on a kindle... I'd pay up to a grand for one. The kindle is reusable from year to year... my text books... not so much. I pay just about two grand a year for text books.
- Joshua Schnell
Core texts are significantly cheaper in the UK, and unless you can resell on your core texts second hand (which you don't seem to be able to do with an electronic text in this case), it's going to be a difficult case to prove for the academic text in Kindle
- David Bird
you can resell a second-hand Kindle just like a physical book. :-) i'd guess that licensing on the DRM'ed books doesn't allow resale, but i can imagine a black market for those. how much would a freshman pay for a 4-year-old Kindle that already had every single textbook they were going to need in the next four years on it? :-) and what if the textbooks were already annotated with "this question will appear on the final" notes? NOW how much would you pay? lol
- Karim
Karim, that's genius. Could you imagine universities and colleges building them into their programs? Students would get a preloaded kindle with their course materials in 1st year. Man, that would be a game changer.
- Joshua Schnell
It's a no-brainer for all economic reasons laid out by many above commenters as replacement for dead tree textbooks. So only shoe to fall is MIT, UC Berkeley, CalTech and Princeton (above all- Bezos alma mater) to be part of a discount university marketing program launched by Amazon. Bring it on.
- Lisa thorell
Doing Nothing 112 = 47% Reading a newspaper 31 = 13% Reading a book 31 = 13% Using a mobile device 30 = 12% Other 16 = 7% Reading a Magazine 12 = 5% Using a laptop computer 4 = 2% Using a Kindle 2 = 1%
- Thomas Hawk
yeah, this mornings commute was not packed so it was easier to walk through the trains.
- Thomas Hawk
I used to take a BART ferry back in the old days... but that was before FF. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
It's amazing. Her balance is incredible. She's keeping us up each night now because she stands in her crib and that make Matthew laugh at her from his. And as I was posting these, she crawled over and held on to the sides of the couch like you would in the deep end of a swimming pool. Time for a post and chain, I think.
- Louis Gray
How exciting!!! They sure grow up fast. Good luck chasing after them, you're in for quite the workout for next few years:)
- MiaD
It WILL be trouble. Trouble of the best, most glorious kind :)
- Patrick Jordan
Friendfeed isn't dead yet. Friendfeed is indexable by Google. Facebook's "public" feed is not yet indexable. They are moving toward a public model, though.
That's a HUGE difference between the two services. What I do here is for everyone and all services to index. Over on Facebook only my friends can interact wholly.
- Robert Scoble
With Twitter growth and now Facebook, an uphill battle awaits Robert
- Mrinal Desai
Twitter, facebook and friendfeed are the 3 things Google has to Gobble up anyhow, at any price. By hook or crook.
- Hardeep Singh Dang
Facebook is still - in large part - a walled garden. That creates advantages and disadvantages for them at this point. What we know (because the essential rules rarely change) is that in the long term walled gardens fall.
- Brian Roy
As far as I'm concerned FB is to commercialized and too much like AOL and MySpace. Not interested.
- CW™
but Robert, only my geek friends are on FriendFeed. Everybody else is on Facebook, including my geek friends. Facebook is a far more significant service than FF right now. Point taken about google index though
- David Jacobs
Facebook is Sam's Club (members only, watch and do only what they let you). Friendfeed more like is the public library, wikipedia. or the open web.
- LogEx
As I mentioned on Twitter, Friendfeed is a pretty specific set of functions, where FBook spends too much time trying to be a social media operating system. I think FFeeds focus gives it a huge competitive advantage over Facebook. It is way easier for FriendFeed to be an awesome social feed service, where Facebook also has to be awesome at a whole bunch of other things. Facebook is trying to do too much and I think its going to be a disadvantage for them.
- Ross Rader
No Logical Extremes, MySpace is Sam's Club. Facebook is maybe Target. FriendFeed is some smelly Magic the Gathering card room ;)
- David Jacobs
Should we all take bets on whether Robert will be working for Facebook in the near future?
- Brian Sullivan
Actually, I think Twitter growth helps Friendfeed. People are getting accustomed to following a large number of people they'll never meet. Facebook is the service that I'd worry about. It has to stay closed to be useful to consumers, but needs to open up to be relevant in the marketplace. They're boxed in.
- Dennis Best
Are you suggesting that Friendfeed will be dead Robert? Once Facebook has opened completely?
- Nick O'Neill
David, LOL. But Facebook is definitely not Target because I can walk into a Target without being a member and pay cash, and not have my personally-identifiable behavioral data put into a dossier to be sold later.
- LogEx
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It isn't about one taking from the other... it is about growing the market in total. Combine the # of users of Facebook, Twitter and FF and it is a TINY % of the potential market. Anything that brings users into the market is good for all (right now).
- Brian Roy
Nick: this is a significant challenge to friendfeed. It will be interesting to see how friendfeed differentiates itself.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'm of the belief that FriendFeed has a great opportunity to track topics, content from throughout social media. Facebook will be limited to what your friends are up to. FriendFeed will be our curated, uber informaiton management service.
- Hutch Carpenter
As I always say, I wouldn't have found all of you on Facebook. Facebook is about friends, FriendFeed is about community.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Lindsey/Brian: He's at a Facebook press conference, that's why he's saying a lot about Facebook.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Facebook's news feed doesn't page. That's boring. Once you've seen it, you've seen it.
- Thomas Hawk
@LindseyDragun: i totally agree with you: no offense to FFers, I know or have met some of you in RL, but I'm more interested in the ideas and shares here, and follow hundreds of cool people I'll never meet. But on FB, 100% of the people I've friended I know, through past schools, work, or social settings. These services fill two completely different purposes for me, and I don't really want to mix them together.
- .LAG liked that
Facebook's pushing a lot of interesting buttons but the UI is still a mess!
- Charlie Anzman
robert, i think the three - twitter, friendfeed and facebook are three different aspects of a more realtime web. i think the only entity they threaten is google and whether google likes it or not, it needs to compete with them. i think it is not a competiton between one or the other for now. if i was to bet, google would acquire a FF and get their grove on.
- Om Malik
if you google me, the first thing you get is my FF profile ;)
- Roberto Bonini
Of course Facebook is eating Friendfeed's lunch. Commenting and Liking are the two major features that FF does really well. Indexability is a nice addition but it's not THAT valuable in the grand scheme of things (just like searching on Twitter really isn't that much of a killer app as the early crowd are making out). It comes down to relevance of searches. It is rare to search for a specific comment that someone made, but common to search for an article or information.
- Tadhg Kelly
So that means that Friendfeed in reality is essentially Facebook for those that don't want to be on Facebook and deal with all of the rest of the stuff surrounding it. Which, as it turns out, is a smaller number of people than you may like.
- Tadhg Kelly
I dont have a FaceBook account, and i WONT, till they open to google indexing spiders. Internet must be an open place, only in this way knowlege can be spread, like in twitter and FF XD !
- Rocky
"isn't dead yet" implies that it's dying... is it?
- Pavel Senko
FB will always have much more than FF, and FF will always have much less. And thank god. At some point, a Yahoo vs. Google comparison will be in order.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Nice call (Yahoo vs. Goodle) - I can see that.
- James Hull
Hutch has it right in my opinion. FriendFeed is a data management service that transforms data into information. Part of that happens to involve the collection of personal (aka social) data. Facebook does not have this at its core - instead Facebook is firmly rooted in social interaction among defined people.
- AJ Kohn
in France, my friends didn't heard about Friendfeed, they only sware by Facebook ! that's why FF is not dead, and won't be dead ! it will become a new trend in the next months !! or not ?
- Alice Cordonnier
Yes, they pointedly mentioned Twitter yesterday, but (to me) pointedly avoided mentioning FF
- Chris Nuttall
From what I've read, Facebook's "Like" feature lacks FOAF functionality. Maybe it's better that their implementation not be associated with FriendFeed's. I imagine their version of "Hide" must be less useful too.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Michael, that was our mentality in college. I don't know if it's age, fear, laziness, understanding, or now that we have an income that causes us to stop pirating. I think a little bit of all the above.
- Hao Chen
I prefer to pay around $10 - unless it is really long, or something I feel I want to especially contribute to. I donated $20 for the last NIN effort as a "vote" for how much I liked the distribution idea.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yeah, I'm a fan of NIN and Radiohead. (both their music, but more importantly their distribution methods)
- Hao Chen
I typically buy songs as MP3s from Amazon. If I buy a CD, I like to wait until it's available on secondspin.com. Buying used is better karma. I have a CISSP and have to maintain a high ethical standard so stealing isn't an option for me.
- Alex Scoble
Usually I only buy full albuns when I really respect the artist, and more importantly, the label. I find prices around €13 quite respectable.
- Paulo Gomes
Some people told me their limit was 12, 15, 17 and 18 euro. Mine is 15 with obvious exceptions to those albums I just must have, no matter for how much. Thanks for all your comments. Even for those buying digital (albums, not single tracks) what's your tipical price limit?
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
I limit myself to 15€, for bands I want to support I may pay a bit more (but never if the album is old and I feel they are pushing their luck keeping it at such a high price for too long)
- Rui Pires
I'm bumping this just to tell you that I ended up with 12€/$ as the value most people generally think as.the "limit" between reasonable and expensive. Making the same for euro and dollars isn't that bad if you take into account the difference in the average music price in Europe and in USA. Sorry for looking only into those two markets, and keep in mind that this is more accurate in...
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- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
Of course you can do it w/o Twitter, but business and jobs are about relationships and networking. Twitter/FB/blogs etc. enable me to have meaningful conversations with significantly more people. It's crazy. Was thinking about it the other day. I spent the whole day in my office (working on a client deliverable), had 5 phone calls, but commented on anywhere from 50-100...
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- Jeremy Epstein
I do it to continue learning - there isn't a faster way of reading and learning about developments in an organisation's relevant industry!
- Zoe Lavender
fun of course! and the craving for connectingness, sharing - same stuff i crave offline, though there are a few things like smell, feel and tangible physical stuffness that's simply wonderful. as a knowledge worker though, it makes things way more fun and enlightening. Off to go play/work.
- Morgan Sully