"I've heard Pandora is entertaining offers, not necessarily just from Google. Microsoft has been looking to acquire or partner with a music streamer. It's all because of geo-targeted ads. I went into a bit more detail on my blog http://www.cains.me/09......"
- Steven Cains
a reverse of AdMob. Interesting to see the two cross swords again.
- winckel
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
"Surely if you do anything other than mildly edit the trending topics list (ie group related topics, remove spam) then the list isn't really trending topics. The users will begin complaining about the curation, as they did with the suggested user list. Perhaps trending topics would be more relevant if it were created from your connections but it would make the twitter community a little more insular. I thought social media was supposed to be about expanding your community."
- Steven Cains
The fact that I have to sit through a 10 second holding page displaying advertising BEFORE I get to the story telling me that people won't pay for content online isn't lost on this little black duck
- Johnny Worthington
Alex: Many of us wondered who would pay for music but somehow iTunes keeps on trucking. Johnny: I love that those ads are called 'welcome screens' as if that's the correct way to greet a guest.
- Steven Cains
I also think it's important to distinguish news from media.
- Johnny Worthington
Kol: That's pretty neat. Wish it was shorter like wave.com or gwave.com (Google owns gwave.com anyway) or something.
- Nick Humphries
i think this @googlewave.com email address is a temporary thing during testing. after it goes live you should be able to just use it with your google account. at least that's what i think:)
- Taylan Aydınlı
if only you could bold an announcement in FF like you can in Wave :D [oh, and my username on Wave is the splendiforously original "adamlasnik"]
- Adam Lasnik
Guys, please read the title and the first comment. This is not a request for invites. This is for users who already have an account and want to share their account name. For invites see this thread: http://ff.im/91M9R
- Kol Tregaskes
My Wave ID is erier2003@googlewave.com. Feel free to add me and we can Wave!
- Eric Geller
Still don't really know what this is (Or Google Voice for that matter). This is like high school all over again. The cool kids are ignoring me!
- James Ferguson
i'm with the google wave woudl be really cool, if i had people to wave at crowd. jviddy@googlewave.com
- Jamie Vidamour
Everyone, read the title and first comment. This is NOT an invite thread!
- Kol Tregaskes
my plan didn't work. still trolling for an invite at dzinrgeek@gmail.com
- amarquart
Blimey. I must be going mad, is it not clear that this is NOT an invite thread. For invites see here: http://ff.im/91M9R
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure if anyone else woudl find it useful, i'm going to add a load of you as friends and create a wave just to try stuff out in. Feel free to remove yourself from the wave or use it as you feel. Also feel free to add anyone else you think might want to be in on it
- Jamie Vidamour
Shockingly, I am robdiana@googlewave.com
- Rob Diana
Kamilah, you are kamilah.gill. You can find this if you click on yourself in the Contacts sidebar. You address (like everyone) is shown there.
- Kol Tregaskes
Karoli: is that your google wave nick or are you sniffling? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I'm sniffling because I don't have a google wave nick. Despite two invites, there is still nothing in my inbox. I am not in with the in crowd. :(
- Karoli
Karoli -- It appears as if there's a batch of emails going out now. Keep checking.
- Christopher A Carr
<- Waves hello! :) I'm at holger.eilhard@googlewave.com
- Holger Eilhard
hello holger, can you pls send me invite? fatihkurtoglu@gmail.com
- Mehmet Fatih Kurtoglu
Invite came today! I'm jalada@googlewave.com. As part of the second/third 'Wave' of people getting invites looks like I don't get any to share out.
- Jalada
M Fatih Kurtoglu: Sorry, I don't yet have any nominations to give out...
- Holger Eilhard
Hey, I'm in too ! :)) tagyboy@googlewave.com
- fwed
Just got my invite this morning as well. FF embed seems to be working fine. I've tried the Wolfram Alpha robot but didn't get it to work yet.
- François Dongier
librarysupporter@googlewave.com in my wave. :)
- MLx
Glad to see more and more people getting in. What we're waiting for is proper group support (a few weeks hopefully) then let the games begin! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Anyone have a spare google wave invite to send to me? email me at zaldor at gmail ! TY!
- Les Zaldor
I will as soon as I get one WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
- Martha
banane@googlewave.com <-- writing this from wave. neat!
- anna sauce
marco.nunez@googlewave - FINALLY! like i said on twitter - i feel like the kid who got a nintendo 1 christmas too late when everyone had already beaten super mario bros!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
denise.straessler@googlewave - stupid me had no idea i wouldn't be able to select a different name .....
- denise
Wow. Thanks Kol!!! Here's mine for all ya'll to add - walt.ruppar@googlewave.com - although I just added like 150 of the above. While also deleting my pity pleads for an invite... ;-)
- Walt Ruppar
uStream has clearly overtaken Justin.tv & stickam to dominate the video streaming space. The question is; Will they be able to monetize it?
- Steven Cains
Glad to see the FTC stepping in but sadly this will only be enforceable within the US. Hopefully other countries' regulators will follow suit.
- Steven Cains
http://www.fitbit.com This is a small device you carry with you. It keeps track of your activity during the day. The website asks you to keep track of other things like what you are eating. It shows you how you are doing every day. Oh, and you can share this too. I'm really wondering whether I should. On one side the peer pressure would help me get into exercising. On the other side I really don't want my lack of exercise to be part of the public discourse. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait to get mine...still waiting...
- Mike Bracco
Zee is right, you probably look like Lou Ferrigno soon!
- Bastian
The next piece of the puzzle would be to have something that auto-registers all the calories you eat and not have it be a manual process. I've used the Daily Burn and their iPhone app but it's still a rather manual process. While the fitbit is cool for seeing cals burned, you really need the other side of the equation of cals consumed to really see what's going on.
- Mike Bracco
Bastian: that's not very probable. In High School I ran two hours every day and did four marathons and I didn't look anything like Lou Ferrigno, but I sure was in shape!
- Robert Scoble
Robert FitBit is a good idea because it's when you loose track of your eating patterns & activity that you gain weight. Keeping fit is really a life long goal. It's not a "Oh I lost 25 pounds, I reached my goal weight and now I'm gonna quit working out". When you quit the weight sneaks up on you. "Just like a spider" :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Without knowing the effects of our actions or habits - how do we really know what to change in our lifestyles? If used consistently, the Fitbit provides great Personal Metrics that can help you see what you could do to improve your lifestyle. The Fitbit really turns the process of staying (or getting) healthy into something that's measurable and interactive - seamlessly (and relatively effortlessly) blending the technology with lifestyle.
- Sarah Doody
Mike; I'm a dailyburn user too, I'm just wondering how they could make it easier to track your food intake? The barcode scanning iphone was the best solution I could think of, any suggestions?
- Steven Cains
Back to the original topic, I think peer pressure motivates us all. A long time ago I brought a rowing machine from Concept2 that let me upload my data (via USB) to the manufacturer's site to track my results. You could also share your results and become part of an online leaderboard. Certainly helped motivate me
- Steven Cains
I think for personal use and ways to improve your health it's a great idea; however, controlling the data and where it does is a must. I blog about many such devices and there are insurance companies who offer discounts to employees who agree to participate in wellness program that review and get involved in the process, so make sure you know where your data goes and who gets to see it,...
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- MedicalQuack
Steven: Yeah I definitely agree that the barcode scanning is the best solution today. When I said making it easier I was really talking about big picture/way down the road tech that doesn't' exist today. It would have to be some sort of nano-bot in your body that sampled food and registered caloric information upon consumption. Obviously something that doesn't exist today :)
- Mike Bracco
UCLA has a program/study where they are looking at participatory sensing with devices that report data, how do we work with them without disruption and stay within privacy laws, this is going to get real interesting as this area grows. http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2009...
- MedicalQuack
Steve, I also used to log my rowing workouts with Concept2 - I agree, great motivation. That's element of competition - whether against self or others - certainly moves us to make changes in our habits. Another thing I've noticed - with all the location based tools (such as Foursquare) - this element of peer motivation is become more common. For example, if I get a notification that my...
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- Sarah Doody
Robert: as for you question about privacy, Google can already track every website you search for. To me, that is a lot more personal than how many calories I burned today or how long my run was. Obviously my health records are a different issue but the info that fitbit captures about you is not that sensitive or a big risk - IMHO.
- Mike Bracco
I know some people will hate this idea but imagine how much more efficient health insurance could be if everyone was monitored in this way. You could easily see who has healthy habits and who doesn't and then charge those who don't' higher premiums. A large part of the healthcare issue is due to the fact that the system doesn't reward (or punish) people based on diet and exercise habits.
- Mike Bracco
Just saw this post. Robert ( or anyone who just got one) did you just get it? I ordered 2 last winter and was wondering. Thanks
- Tracy Benham
I want one as well, but there are not available in Canada... I hope it will help you get in shape, every little motivation helps!
- Tyson Williams
I'm still waiting for mine to show up in the mail. I'll be happier if I can better track sleep and the other things which it instruments.
- rob friedman
My fitbit showed up in the mail on Sat. -- I placed my order on 9/12/2008.
- Rick Chlopan
I'm sorry, it's worse than I thought yesterday. I'm writing a blog about it. Be up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
The people who commented on my blog motivated me. In a bad way. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a google wave account, so can't tell ya.
- imabonehead
I'm letting you first adopters sink your time into it and waiting to hear what you think, before I spend any time with it. Not impressed with what I have heard so far though.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Wanna try it out, but I don't have an invite.
- Mike Dotta
I think it has a bit of a way to go, then I'll love it
- Nicholas Orr
Jeff: it's worth checking out. There is SOME value here, but not as much as the hype made us all believe.
- Robert Scoble
I think Google Wave isn't and won't be a great public communication tool. But it does have potential when it comes to collaboration within teams. In the long run it could give apps like Campfire a run for their money.
- Abhijeet Mukherjee
Would love an invitation. Seems a marketing scheme rther than soft launch
- Mark de Kock
Do we have to comment on GOOGLE WEAVE to call you an idiot? j/k
- RAD Moose
I don't love it - don't hate it - mostly I'm just puzzled as to what the best use cases are & with many of the UI quirks (and I would argue outright errors)
- Shannon Clark
No invite yet. Lots of blog posts saying how it's going to change the world...but then the next sentence is that they haven't tried it yet. ??
- Jesse P. Luna
I finally figured out what I hate about it, though. It's based on email and makes the email metaphor even worse (And slower!!!)
- Robert Scoble
I was in the Dev Sandbox version of Google Wave awhile ago, and it felt like I was in a really out of control AOL Chat room in the early 90s.
- RAD Moose
I don't think I like the public waves, nor do I like being added to so many (testing) waves injudiciously. It's okay for now because I understand everyone wants to test it out, but I would prefer 1-1 or 1-few conversations instead. The best test is to _use_ it for something other than talking about Wave itself :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Mark: it's not incredibly stable yet - so it is very much a dev preview
- Nicholas Orr
Google wave is awesome if only I could get it! Even if I sent an invite request few hours after presentation months ago , still no invite received :(
- Dema
from iPhone
i have an invitation coming, from a friend. however, since it is not here yet, all i can say is their strategy for creating demand and buzz is absolutely stellar. must confess i am not immune, i feel that when my invite "trickles" through, i will indeed be quite fond of it. disclaimer: i have ADD & love noise. a lot.
- (dot)lizard kelly
I'm just starting to get it - but am online with it and very motivated to see if it's as awesome as the Googlers and community believe it is. It's fascinating to say the least, from what I've seen so far. I'm open to connect with others on the Preview via hollingt@googlewave.com
- Tony Hollingsworth
Would love to experiment, was too busy when invite op came by, what's the best way to get one now? Robert, how's the baby? Pics were sooo cute. :) Best, Dave
- dave_blogworld
For such a strong platform, they totally bombed their marketing campaigns. Until you actually play with it, it's nearly impossible to understand what the heck they've created.
- Sean Power
Given the big boom in traffic I got the last two days, Scoble, I assume yours has been immense. Front page of Slashdot, on Der Spiegel, you led TM yesterday. Nice job.
- Louis Gray
Google Wave is mediocre, so it can't neither be loved or hated. Being mediocre is the worst thing you can do since it most often leave people indifferent.
- rick
I can see ways in which it can be beneficial. I just don't see a public social network expanding from it as a service. It will find it's place and loyal userbase. Just like FriendFeed did.
- Mark Krynsky
Though I haven't got invite yet but I still think when it is done and public for all of us there will be a lots of application which will make it more intuitive and useful. well for example twitter is not that much fun without its related apps. is it ?
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
From the video I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. So far I can't find an invite, so as of right now I have to totally agree with you
- RickMeasham
from iPhone
I've try it, it seems cool but i need to test more the integration of external contents.
- Roberto Scano
Wondering if it will replace Basecamp and Skype. If I could put those together it would be a major step for our company. Outsourcing to India is all of a sudden very easy because of "Rosy" the translation tool That's powerful. Didn't get a first day invite but look forward to testing it for our organization.
- Brandon
Wave is baby at the moment and not even in beta version. So too early and useful for anything. While studying the protocol, it is indeed very intuitive
- Sunny (The Geek Lord)
Brandon, there are a couple tools to allow conferencing from inside Wave, a gadget from Ribbit and I think Twillio has a robot or something.
- James Williams
If Google is the only wave-server game in town, it'll be kinda lame. They already read all my email.
- Mason Lee
James: To combine the collaborator and the IM client would be big news for us. The promise is there but I still don't know if it's feasible. We will write all the todos and deadlines in BaseCamp and then move to Skype so it can be discussed. Doesn't seem very efficient and Wave seems to be the missing link.
- Brandon
By the way here in Sydney where Google Wave is being developed we've had a couple of user groups at the Googleplex in Pyrmont. See hashtag on Twitter #gwsug - a couple of tweeps worth following are @domesticmouse @pamelafox @purserj @harrisony - they're deep dive and I believe have written a "wave server
- Tony Hollingsworth
I think it's our job to celebrate innovation and shots at leaps forward. It shouldn't matter so much that a product doesn't live up to the hype right now. The original web browser sucked, PINE sucked, my Tandy TRS 80 sucked, my first iPhone was a mess. But now, my email is great, my web browser is fast and full-featured, and my laptop is small and more powerful than ever. The iphone is...
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- Morgan
I hate it because... I don't get an invite.
- Jackie
I think the product is too young to tell if it will be understood by user; and we as potential user need some time to understand the possibile uses of the product...I have an account, and I was in the dev sandbox, I think it's a briliant object... but still it's too young to tell.
- andrea
It is a definitely interesting product. However, I need more than 1 other person to have it to see if I really know how it will function.
- beachpig
It's dumb. I had it months ago. totally stupid. Then again, I don't like web based services. I only run desktop apps and despise Google stuff out of totaly control. so wave is dumb. email is better.
- Adam Jackson
Andrea: I agree. I think the robots and gadgets people have developped/will develop will help better define the user experience.
- James Williams
I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
for this purpose yes it is - the only way it would happen in Google Wave is if we were all in a group that you sent it to :)
- Nicholas Orr
How does it compare to MS-Office Groove? Not that I've used it, but it got pushed to my work machine, and the explanation of it given by it's own help sounds like what Wave was trying to do too.
- Matthew DeVries
Google Wave seems too bloated... but we will see
- joe
I think GW just takes some gettinmg used to and U need to make sure you kow what U use it for, it is NOT just another new kind of 'multimedia collaborative mail chat'.
- oliver gassner
guess one should differntiate between the WAVE technology (protocol) and what everybody now is moarning about - the collaborative mail chat thing they build to demonstrate its capabilities. Looking back it might have been a good idea to take a well known application to get the potential transportet. but now people are rating this application instead of the technology WAVE which has an enourmous potential! Its push´n´pull on steroids - and thats what makes a difference.
- psanner
Have not tried it, but real time collaboration looks promising. I wonder if it fits the way people are comfotable working
- Michele Costabile
Still waiting for my invite to arrive from google, must be on a slow boat from china
- Daryl Hunt on FF
Has potential for closed groups of people that all use wave. Further adoption depends on integration of legacy systems IMO.
- bishoph
Slower than email, and just, well slow. I'd imagine it'll speed up a bit when 3rd party federation servers take the load off a bit. Even with the quirks worked out, it'll still just as exiting as email. When blogs start integrating Wave THAT's when things will really get started. If they deliver what they're promising it's going to bring about a new generation of social networking.
- Philip
from iPhone
I manage the IT for 5 people. Our biggest problem is making sure everyone sees what they are suppose to see. The idea that I can install Google Wave on a local server, and only have those 5 people in that instance is exciting. The Google Wave you are all trying ISN'T Google Wave, it's a free-for-all test of it the protocols. If you expect it to be another social media site, then you...
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- Johnny Worthington
I haven't been able to test it. But shouldn't we all wait before we judge? I mean, it's relative new. I think people will start to find ways of how to use the service in a good way later on.
- Patrik Johansson
This is the Internet, Patrik. It's not about being right, just first...
- Johnny Worthington
Patrik, agree. It's a very early version of a protocol. I think it's an amazing start and has lots of potential. I'd like to see groups added and some control of what waves you are receiving. But don't forget you can use the protocol and place it in your own site, so we can have a FF that looks like GWave. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Johnny: Hehe yeah you're right:) Kol: If we could use Wave as FF I think it would be awesome!
- Patrik Johansson
I mentioned this on today's show. If I can run my own instance, I could almost create my own 'realtime BBS'. If I could create my own network with just a select group of people (say movie buffs or photographers) to exchange files and talk in real time... WOW. We all go one about social networks controlling what we say and owning our content. If I could set up my own sites, free from rules or ToS... WOW x2
- Johnny Worthington
No comment!! If anyone is generous to send me a free invite, pls send to victed at yahoo.com Thank you :-)
- victed
from iPhone
google wave looks exciting, however the slow release to developers is making other current real-time standards like PSHB and SUP more attractive for immediate building
- Mike Chelen
I have an invite and I've used it somewhat and I suppose I'm lucky I'm not a blogger who adds everyone on earth to every tool that I use in the hopes that I can parse all the noise, because I immediately saw the value in Wave. Rule number 1 of Wave: Don't talk about Wave. Seriously. The second you stop involving yourself in 20 concerrent waves about does Wave work? how is this looking?...
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- Chieze Okoye
Robert: "I will tell you what. This is a lot better than using Google Wave." is the epitome of what you're doing wrong. Honestly. Stop trying to use it like you use FriendFeed and start trying to use it like you use Google Docs and BAM, you'll see it.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: is there anything different or better compared with google docs?
- Mike Chelen
well, the thing that I like about it is that it combines the ease of collaboration of GDocs with the basic (sorta) paradigm of email/IM to improve the conversation part of creating a document. In GDocs, the communication with your colleagues/friends part of collaboration always took a back seat to the creation part. In Wave, I think it pretty successfully melds the two.
- Chieze Okoye
That said, neither facet in Wave independently (communication or creation) is as good as the two tools that exist now (Gmail and GDocs) but combined, it makes a lot of stuff easier. Specifically the kind of email threads centered around a central idea or final product (group report, list of who's bringing what to which party when, etc).
- Chieze Okoye
Love it. Even at this preview stage, I'd hoped for greater control over the Inbox - after all, it's supposed to be "email, invented today" - so, in its current form, it's not ready for mainstream/widestream adoption, but with a bit of polish from the usability experts, it's going to redefine how inter and intra organisation communication and collaboration takes place.
- Andrew Terry
And also, there's tremendous ability to keep Waves on topic (specific tools and actions available to remove thread-jackers and/or their non-sequiturs, add people as they become pertinent, remove people as they become unrelated, etc), instantly provides value to me over emails. There are definitely shortcomings and rough edges, no doubt, but the potential is quite clear when you know where to look.
- Chieze Okoye
Chieze: might address a few gdocs issues- that tracking revisions becomes difficult with many edits, and the lack of a realtime api. interesting, thanks
- Mike Chelen
Yeah, good point Mike, I hadn't even considered the API issue. As far as your first point, the revision part of Wave (playback mode) is already (to me) superior than the one in GDocs in terms of allowing me to follow all the changes that went into a document/Wave. With some more granularity and control (rollbacks, diffs between non-successive states, etc), it will be nigh perfect.
- Chieze Okoye
its not what i expected it to be, not from google, i guess they are mortal too.
- imran
for me it looks like groupware done right. Because it will really elevate in a corporate envirement when there is a office integration and you can make all you're office stuff in a colaborative way with all office products with all mayor plattforms and with people outside the intranet
- mosta
from AndFeed
there is a alternative server called pygowave where you can get a test account. It has not as much features bud you can run it yourself
- mosta
from AndFeed
Does the invite have to go to my gmail address? Or can I get one at M8R-v2hjnm@mailinator.com ?
- Justin Goldberg
can only tell that once my close friends join in...till now just experimenting. From the discussions that i saw till now, learning curve is pretty slack for G-Wave...all the new terms, bots, not to mention the inconsistent behaviour. But then its only a preview.. :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
Still waiting for my invite. It's been two days since someone invited me so they must be really backed up sending them out.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
with my limited use of WAVE...huge potential once more extension are built integrating with other Google services and offerings...using iGoogle page to consume information it would be nice to choose items and insert them into a WAVE for collaborative discussion / work related = GAnalytics extension would make it efficient to discuss metrics
- shayne catrett
FriendFeed != Google Wave - I think that's why you're frustrated. You're trying to solve a problem it wasn't meant to solve.
- Jesse Stay
In hindsight, I'd say the biggest problem with Wave is the way they decided to roll it out. If they'd simply given invites to groups of people who actually have a reason to try to work together and collaborate on real projects...rather than 100K unrelated developers/early adopters/pundits... I think much of the unwarranted backlash could've been avoided.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, but then Robert would be complaining of why he hasn't gotten a Wave invite yet ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Ken: I use more collaboration software than anyone I know, so I'm pretty qualified to try this stuff out.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew Terry: the problem is that the email metaphor is very unproductive. THAT is what I hate about Google Wave!!! Thank you for identifying it. There are far better metaphors for collaboration. Oh, and I get a lot more done in Google Docs than I ever will in Google Wave. Why? Because documents are a far more productive collaboration metaphor than email is.
- Robert Scoble
Shoot! I wish I had a Google Wave invite so I could try it out for myself! Hope it doesn't take too long to get one.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer: you already have FriendFeed. Wave will make you say "meh." Oh, OK, I can watch you type in real time and see just how bad a typist you really are.
- Robert Scoble
If someone can send me an invitation I'll tell you if I hate or love it ;) napolux@gmail.com
- Napolux
from twhirl
Robert: Yes, having FriendFeed does remove a lot of the wow factor of Wave. The real power is in the apps(gadgets and robots) which besides the featured gadgets is uncharted territory.
- James Williams
I'm dying to get my hands on it. Everytime I get a new email I'm hoping it's my invite
- Mark Hendy
Robert: But don't we have to find a replacement for FriendFeed? FriendFeed is the best, but how long will it be here? :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I think Wave has a story for FF's threaded comments(IMHO it has a story for most of FF). What it needs is roles on a Wave so that I can allow ppl to reply to a blip that was created from one of my social media actions yet disallow them from deleting anything but their comments/replies. Also being able to have my "personal social media wave" be updated when I comment on someone else's "social media wave" would be nice so I that all parties can own that interaction.
- James Williams
Am I the only one who is SERIOUSLY concerned about the power Google has over our lives and businesses? Do we really want to keep giving them more and more access to what we do? I know they can compile it anyway but we can at least not make it so easy for them. I have had access to dozens of Google Analytics accounts. When Google is responsible for 50-70% of the traffic and 50-70% of the...
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- Internet Strategist
I don't love it or hate it. It's still smoke and mirrors until we get a chance to put our hands on it. It has potential, for good and for bad. How we use it will determine which prevails. Until we use it, it's just a phantasm.
- Ken Camp
Hard to say since no one has actually seen it yet.
- Mistletoe Glen
I have not used it, but I have a question - Should Google have waited little longer to polish it? because if people don't like it or they don't get invites they are likely to forget it ? If Google wave was from other company say xyzwave, people would not have created such a hoopla. To Non-geek public :What I am feeling is that majority of people don't have any idea what Google wave is and those people are likely to complain without fully understanding it.
- ashish
Reviewing Wave now is like reviewing the iPhone without any apps. It's just a platform.
- Steven Cains
It's the frame of a house that could be quite something.
- Aron Michalski
you're an idiot lol jk ;) however the whole debate has got me thinking about how i use twitter and i have decided to change my approach cheers! twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
I'm certain I'd love Google Wave if: a) Google thought I was cool enough to have it; and b) I had it.
- Karoli
Robert: Have you tried wave out with any of the Building43/Rackspace folks on project work? A team of 3 or 4 people or so? Anything work related? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious how it's worked out for you when it's with a group tying to create something collaboratively vs general tire kicking stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Google Wave is going to be one of those Google products that never really takes off.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I think I should at least try it before forming an opinion, and since nobody has saw fit to invite me, I can't do that at this time. I think your request for opinions is a bit to early for most of us.
- April Russo (app103)
I'm still waiting for someone to invite me. But from what I'm seeing wave is more like a framework for people to build upon, not a user application itself.
- Sung W. Lim
@Sung - that's basically my conclusion as well (http://macrolinz.com/macroli...) and a few people seem to agree with me that the beta is really more about figuring out what the UI should actually be for that framework than just polishing the UI they currently have. Most people are too caught up in the hype though and don't know what they're looking at and so get disappointed pretty fast.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
+1 to Lindsay. Also, there will be many UIs but it will take time.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Robert, far from idiot, but you really surprised me Thursday (too fast & decisive), digesting the new post.
- Majento
I'm bullish. It seems like a lot of noise now, but when I saw the demo I saw how much more useful it could be for certain types of communication.
- Adam Loving
Option #3: Did you not get an invite to Google Wave?
- Michael Pinto
Would love to express an opinion but didnot get an invite even though I applied some time ago a bit sad being as I live in Australia and Wave is being developed here.
- Daryl Hunt on FF
I would comment Robert but as I didn't get an invite to Google Wave, I can't.
- Sandra Large
Even if you use it for its intended purpose (collaboration among a pre-selected group of people), Google Wave still needs a lot of work.
- John E. Bredehoft
You should do a public wave with this question, and add the poll extension so people can vote and comment at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Tag me when you do though so I know you did it. :-)
- Jesse Stay
like, want to try more usual conversation stuff before being sure, but like the embedding, sharing, etc
- immaterial
Robert, thanks for opening the discussion. I really would like to read about more evidence and facts about the experience, rather than opinions without a foundation or whining about not having it.
- Luis Valdes
+1 Sung and Lindsay. Actually, this isn't even a beta, it's an alpha preview.
- Chieze Okoye
If you try to use wave as a replacement for facebook, twitter or friendfeed it's not going to work. Lots of people want it to be the revolution in social media when in fact its aimed more at private communication. as a way to communicate between a few friends it's fantastic although it still needs some work. Just remmeber its a replacement for email and im
- Jamie Vidamour
I'm using it and like it. Yes, it needs work but the potential is there. I like that I can add apps to it and that I can use it with some of the same tools in basecamp.
- Johann Lohrmann
It's okay Robert and has potential especially for collabortory working together. However, whether or not the general public is going to drop e-mail and IM and use this instead is a moot point, as its not easy to 'suss out'
- Sandra Large
@Sandra I don't think the basic useage is any more complicated than email, people probably just need to have their hand held through a simple example conversation with one or two others & they'll be able to use it - public waves & advanced features can come later if needed
- immaterial
Ugh... Seriously, what kind of asshat sends a friend request on FaceBook followed up by the message "hi do uwan't some"? Facebook hate: I'm bringing it back...
Clearly I meant brownies, I mean, come on! The reason the message was so trashed, gramatically speaking, was that my fingers were brownie-gooey.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
I guess the bigger issue here is that I have no frakkin' clue who this idiot is. Then again, would being propositioned in such a fashion by someone I know be any better?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
probably worse - but still this is an reminder of how bad the internet can get
- WorldofHiglet
FB hate? I thought it never left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I agree Tamar, the widgets so far seem very AOL.
- Steven Cains
It's like a little toy right now. I really think so. A toy that needs to be tweaked BADLY. I love being an "early adopter" of services ... but ones that work will get me to be a "sneezer." So far, it's overhyped.
- Tamar Weinberg
I could say something like "you'll get it soon" and "you won't like it anyway", but at least half of that would be a lie. Let's just say it makes commenting on FriendFeed feel slow.
- Louis Gray
"The BBC is looking to encode TV listing metadata and employ a compression algorithm to circumvent piracy, ad removal and illegal copying. According to a recent blog post by the EFF's Danny O'Brien, the group wants to get mandatory DRM onto digital TV receivers via a broadcast flag. In other words, a "public service broadcaster" wants to lessen the way we consume media by forcing manufacturers to limit product playing abilities. While open source TV services like Boxee allow users to view programs over home networks regardless of the device, a broadcast flag would force all HDTV receivers to include content protection. For those of us who watch our programs online, this could pose a serious problem."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
I can't watch live BBC TV online in any case, but it sucks nonetheless.
- Ian May
Yeah. But the galling thing is i pay for that with my tax money. Ergo its my content. I will do what i want with it.
- Roberto Bonini
Trouble is, Robert, I guess the BBC see it like Record Labels. They dont' mind if you watch it, but don't want you to do anything else with it. I remember all the fuss made a quarter century ago, when everyone got a VCR, and some quarters were trying to claim it was illegal to record TV shows. A compromise was reached of course, and hopefully it will be in this case. Although I'm not in...
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- Ian May
@ Ian Don't fret, your subscription can be put on hold, the UK has the same "dross" as the United States ... evidently the Americans have been unable come up with the exclusive patent on that.
- Kittyburgers
@Rob those money are not yours - they are *theirs*... we have similar system in Finland and people in trade of govt license TV think their existance _must_ be paid....
- A.T.
@Kittyburgers, but it's not SO bad in the UK it's only 75% US dross... :)
- Ian May
UK really needs to redesign it's commercial TV platform. As it stands the only real OTA commercial broadcaster is Channel 5. ITV splits the UK into several regions, Channel 4 is government owned and the BBC is funded by the taxpayer. A ridiculous state of affairs.
- Steven Cains
these restrictions end up causing the most trouble for legitimate users. like with pc game cds, players are inconvenienced while crackers bypass the system
- Mike Chelen
I remember reading a few years ago, that ITV cost the average family more in increased prices at the supermarket than the TV Licence fee did.
- Ian May
"Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich has a rather curious new addition built in to his latest oversized yacht. The 557-foot boat Eclipse, the price tag of which has almost doubled since original plans were drawn to almost $1.2 billion, set sail this week with a slew of show-off features, from two helipads, two swimming pools and six-foot movie screens in all guest cabins, to a mini-submarine and missile-proof windows to combat piracy. It might not seem like somebody with such ostentatious tastes would crave privacy, but along with these expensive toys, Ambramovich has installed an anti-paparazzi “shield”. Lasers sweep the surroundings and when they detect a CCD, they fire a bolt of light right at the camera to obliterate any photograph. According to the Times, these don’t run all the time, so friends and guests should still be able to grab snaps. Instead, they will be activated when guards spot the scourge of professional photography, paparazzi, loitering nearby."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Take a one sided mirror with the mirrored side facing the yacht. Place the camera behind the mirror. Viola.
- Roberto Bonini
These are fairly common on larger yachts. The CCD-detectors are new to me but many yachts have special light fittings that distort photos. There's a current military project that basically scratches any lens within a short radius, could eventually be used in civilian applications.
- Steven Cains
Guy seems pretty rich. Lego should contact this guy and see how much he'd pay for a life sized lego replica of his boat.
- Thomas Hawk
"I'm always experimenting with new ideas when it comes to tomato-based pasta sauce, a seemingly inexhaustible genre of cooking. When summer is at its peak, I love to make this no-cook marinated sauce, basically a bruschetta topping tossed with noodles instead of spooned onto bread. Then I turn to canned tomatoes when summer is over, trying new ideas like a roasted fennel sauce or adding a pinch of saffron. Now is a time when fresh tomatoes are at the market, but they're not necessarily at their peak. What's one great thing to do with not-quite-perfect vegetables? Roast them. It dismisses any problems with mealy texture and amps up the sweetness. This recipe for spicy roasted tomato and pepper sauce, from a book called Verdura by Viana la Place, roasts peppers and tomatoes side-by-side, which creates a sauce of smoky sweetness, enhanced by a pinch of hot red pepper flakes. As is my little secret, I added a tablespoon of butter, which works wonders for tomato sauces. A wonderful late-summer/early-fall dish, for days when there is a slight crispness to the air."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
Thanks for this, have bookmarked it for a later date. Glad to find more pasta sauce recipes for autumn, especially vegan ones.
- Steven Cains
My 'State of the Tina' address - I am still sick: exploding sneezes are rare but there's still sinus congestion and lots of rumbly coughs, plus a bit of a fever. As a result I haven't been to derby practice in a week and miss all my gals =( Alls quiet on the job-search front, though I hope to hear re: the training job later this week.
Hmmm, keep and eye on that cough, young lady. Coughs and fevers lasting this long need to be watched. Lots of rest and don't worry about the job too much until you're better. Now - getting recuperating!
- WorldofHiglet
The fever is a rarity, just an hour here and there over the past week so not enough to really concern me. The cough is better than it was (around Wednesday it was the 'cough so much it hurt to breathe' kind of cough) and is productive, so hopefully just a few more days and I'll be better. Will be buying an expectorant tonight to try and clear the last of it out.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
keep away from the Pneumonia Triangle. the hotels are expensive there and the service stinks.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Get better! Good luck with everything.
- Nation Hahn
Good luck Tina, I'm surprised a web company hasn't headhunted you for a community liaison job, you've certainly got the skills.
- Steven Cains
I appreciate that, Steven. While I think I'd probably be good at a community liaison position I don't really expect to get head-hunted for one. But hey, if someone has an in with a company that's looking for one... </self-serving hint>
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
2 - Especially love robots. My father is a mechanical engineer and roboticist and my enthusiasm is partly due to trips to the CSIRO as a kid
- Mo Kargas
3 - I'm Australian, but was born in Wales in Great Britain, hence a British Citizen as well
- Mo Kargas
4 - I never ever give up, doesn't matter what it is
- Mo Kargas
5 - I'm a hopeless romantic. Hopeless being a keyword :)
- Mo Kargas
6 - I have physics and computer science bachelors, not because I needed them for what I wanted to do, but because I just love science
- Mo Kargas
7 - I love learning about other cultures, especially first hand.
- Mo Kargas
8 - I'm a retro gaming fanatic. I collect every console and system I can get my hands on and have most games
- Mo Kargas
9 - I'm a great believer in a supreme power, moreover I think religion in general can help more than hinder
- Mo Kargas
10 - I love art in all its forms, I'm especially a fan of gothic, Renaissance and Islamic art
- Mo Kargas
11 - I'm a web developer, but hope to move into 3D games and animation one day
- Mo Kargas
12 - I am a control freak with mental state so I don't drink or smoke
- Mo Kargas
13 - I've recently become a fitness fanatic :)
- Mo Kargas
14 - I strongly believe in dialog between all peoples and faiths, regardless of history and grievance or enemity
- Mo Kargas
15 - I almost drowned when I was 5, and was saved by my Dad (I followed him off the deep-end's spring board LOL)
- Mo Kargas
16 - I'm a car fanatic, doesn't matter what vehicle it is. I own two car sites and I'm creating a third
- Mo Kargas
17 - I've never actually fallen in love with anyone, weird as that sounds
- Mo Kargas
18 - I'm a great fan of social media, but not for the business aspect, but for it's capability to help people reach out to eachother and experience lives elsewhere they may never ever have seen otherwise
- Mo Kargas
19 - I'm fascinated by ancient peoples and civilisations, especially ruins
- Mo Kargas
20 - I'm fiercely protective of my family, and this has landed me in trouble numerous times
- Mo Kargas
21 - I have no extended family where I live, and have never spoken to my grandparents, who have sadly all passed away.
- Mo Kargas
22 - A few oddities: My family history is Berber and semitic, but I'm not Jewish. Additionally my surname is Greek, but there's no greek connection anywhere in our family
- Mo Kargas
23 - I sometimes over-analyze the most basic of decisions :)
- Mo Kargas
25 - I love making things grow, and have a bit of a "green thumb"
- Mo Kargas
for #8 - Ahhhh but do you have E.T. for the Atari 2600??? ;)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Lindsay, yeah I have E.T for the 2600 (got it with the Woody edition). Do I play it? HELL NO
- Mo Kargas
Mo, this is awesome. Some of the stuff I picked up on (robots, and fitness), but didn't know about your family history. I'd love to hang out with you in person. :)
- Derrick
RE: #22 then we're two here Mo! Although some say that we have roman origins, I am a berber too :)
- directeur
Sweet! I still don't have a copy. And I would play it... at least one more time. :)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
@directeur Roman origins, perhaps that's where the surname has come from
- Mo Kargas
Australian AND Welsh, how unlucky can you get? j/k ;) All these 25 lists are weird because I keeping finding about 10 of them are the same as me. Perhaps my FF circle projects my lifestyle more than I thought.
- Steven Cains
Dude, i'm SO WITH YOU on #23! Oh BTW, i was glad you didn't mention Fallout 3 in your list because if you did, i was going to hide your post, unsub from you and THEN block you....but lucky for you, crisis averted! HAHA! just playin, great list man!
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Great List, Mo! :-) Oh yeah, #17, not so weird...I'm in the club too.
- Anna Haro
@Anna, I'm not pessemistic when it comes to it, it simply hasn't occurred yet, and I'm content to wait till it happens or doesn't whatever the case.
- Mo Kargas