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“what is missing to make the vsion a reality (integration between data and publication, integration of authoring and publication, traditional publications being associated with podcasts and video, professional netowrking akin to social networking)”
Monday at 12:28 pm - Link
The willingness of researchers to change their processes. - Dorothea Salo
+1 for Dorothea's point. Also willingness of publishers/content supporters to work with others rather than set up separate silos and have their own internal persistent author ids / data structures / etc - Sarah
unique IDs would help - Richard Akerman
+1 for all three comments above. - Bill Hooker
Ideas are ahead of the technology..... - Maxine
yeah, what Dorothea said. At this point all of the barriers are social. - Euan
Agree with what Dorothea said. I also think that the technology is there, but the execution isn't yet (not excluding Mendeley). - Victor / Mendeley Team
I think there is also an incentive problem -- i.e. journal article still being Coin of the Realm, to the point that nothing else is valued by tenure and promotion committees. - Dorothea Salo
hmmm - actually this was missing from the middle of a microblogging session from the psb meeting (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ps...). But thanks for your input all! - Cameron Neylon
I would say that the roadmap and marketing strategy (I really mean marketing) would be the next step. Barriers are not really social - as Paulo wrote some time ago, lots of scientists have no idea about the concept and no time to find all the details. - Pawel Szczesny
Cluelessness IS a social barrier. - Dorothea Salo
Cluelessness is not an issue - lack of strategy to spread the word and to show that the concept works *is* an issue. And it's our problem, not somebody's else. - Pawel Szczesny
Chicken-egg problem. We can't show the concept works if nobody's doing it. Also, lack of incentive plays in, and maybe *you* have an impact on what tenure committees do, but I sure don't. - Dorothea Salo
we just have to keep discussing specific examples - Jean-Claude Bradley
"just"? - Dorothea Salo
@Dorothea yes I think that demonstrating simple examples and showing people exactly how to implement simple techniques and telling stories of how researchers benefited is necessary and sufficient to getting a critical mass of people involved - Jean-Claude Bradley
Well, respectfully, I disagree. Busy researchers will not listen without external incentive. Maybe that comes from funders, maybe from administrators, but without it, you are howling into the void IMO. - Dorothea Salo
Dorothea, that's why I don't think we have any "social" barriers. Scientists may be willing, but have no external incentives, and no idea about the concept. We don't have much power over grant agencies, but we at least can spread the word out, just as Jean-Claude says. - Pawel Szczesny
Well, the creation of incentive is a social process; there's certainly nothing technological about it. So is spreading the word, and *especially* so is having it heeded. I do think peer pressure is important, but I go back to John Wilbanks's talk: researchers pay attention to what will keep them researchers as opposed to burger-flippers at McD's. If this vision can't plausibly do that, it's hosed. - Dorothea Salo
It also depends on your definition of success - I think that there will be enough researchers motivated by example of people finding funding, collaborators and jobs using these tools to use them without additional motivation. But if you want to "convert the majority" that is another objective entirely. I don't think you need the majority to have an immense impact on science. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Fair enough, Jean-Claude, and I agree. - Dorothea Salo
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Open Science@PSB Introduction
Monday at 8:31 pm - slideshare.net - Link
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Sunday at 2:03 am - ochemonline.wordpress.com - Link
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Saturday at 2:17 pm - friendfeed.com - via Reshare - Link
Query from Russ Altman about PSB - encourage any attendees to get into the FF room and get microblogging - those who did it at ISMB last year got a paper out of it! - Cameron Neylon
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January 1 at 4:33 am - blog.openwetware.org - Link
resolution #5 is a doozy. - Steve Koch
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January 1 at 6:35 pm - blog.openwetware.org - Link
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January 1 at 6:07 am - dopplr.com - Link
I'll be there from January 2nd until January 8th. See more in my Dopplr profile. - Cameron Neylon
Will be there for a conference last week of April. Let us know where the good places are! - Björn Brembs
That Dopplr site is pretty cool, but not for me. The only trip I've made this year was to Scifoo/BBC in August to Palo Alto. I don't know if I should envy or pity you for being such the world traveler. - Jim Hardy
Sometimes envy, sometimes pity. You know things are bad when you have a brain fade and can't figure out whether you're in Amsterdam or Lyon (which is important - no decent food beyond security in Lyon) or you start trying to figure out whether you can route US trips through Charlotte...but I definitely got to see some cool places last year and early this. Things are a little quieter after this trip though... - Cameron Neylon
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December 30 at 11:26 pm - flickr.com - Link
This is where I spent NYE last night. Not many places that would have been better I feel. Happy New Year everyone and may it be twice as productive and half as stressful as last year! - Cameron Neylon
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December 29 at 4:33 pm - researchremix.wordpress.com - Link
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December 28 at 1:06 am - gavinbaker.com - Link
Gavin Baker writes about our recent experience of trying a bursty approach to get research funding with some interesting insights into the process, what worked and what didn't (and he calls me Dr Neylon, man it's been a long time since anyone did that ;-) - Cameron Neylon via Bookmarklet
I think Scribd is probably the best place for sharing proposals now - we put ours there as well http://www.scribd.com/doc/9023... - Jean-Claude Bradley
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“Proposing a general afternoon meetup in Sydney Tuesday 30th”
December 27 at 5:03 pm - Link
Central(ish - advice welcome on good spots to do this - somewhere between the Rocks and Newtown) on Tuesday (any advisories on good NY options also welcome). Lunch to afternoon tea to early evening drinks and maybe dinner. - Cameron Neylon
Wish I was there, mate. Land-locked in Maryland :-( - Jim Hardy
Well life's like that - must run, sun to catch, beer to drink... - Cameron Neylon
I didn't say I wasn't drinking beer... :-) - Jim Hardy
In that snow? ;-) - Cameron Neylon
So close, yet so far ... I can't really make it to Sydney at the moment, despite being just down the road in Melbourne :| - Andrew Perry via NoiseRiver
Andrew, appreciate the effort. Need to introduce all these foreigners to the concept of Australian distance scales. - Cameron Neylon
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“Will be at the Courthouse Hotel, Newtown (Sydney) from around 12:30 on Tuesday 30 December. Feel free to drop in if you are around.”
December 28 at 2:55 pm - Link
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December 28 at 1:38 am - blog.openwetware.org - Link
Not a lot that is terribly new in there - just seemed like a good example at the time - Cameron Neylon
Maybe you need yet another Wev 2.0 tool for this such as Doodle or Pingg: http://www.doodle.com/ or http://www.pingg.com/ - Martin Fenner
I think it's mostly a matter of time - eventually I can see there being multiple online communication "carriers" the way there are for mobile phones. But at that point there may be no distinction between "mobile phones" and online communication anyway? We're almost there already... - Shirley Wu
Usually friends divide for "web guys" and "non-web" - the first category have everything - facebook, friendfeed, twitter, email, linkedin...ect, so they gonna get a lot of similar messages about your visit, 2nd category maximum what they have is phone and email, so if they didn't update their file (contact) somewhere online - very hard to get them, especially after few years when phone # and email could change, but keep in touch all the time with all of them very hard - Alexey
I agree Alexey, but you can't make status updates any easier than twitter. It's about as barebones simple as it can get, so if that doesn't work for them, nothing will. - Mr. Gunn
"It’s not just filter failure which is creating the impression of the information overload. The tools we are using, their incompatibility, and the cost of transferring items from one stream to another are also contributing to the problem." "What should happen is that I have a collection of people, I choose the send them a message, whether private or broadcast, and they choose how to receive that message and how to prioritise it. They then reply to me, and I see all their responses nicely aggregated because they are all related to my one query. ... The point is that each person controls the way they receive information from different streams and is in control of the way they deal with it." - Jodi Schneider
Yup, you've hit the nail on the head, Cameron. - Jodi Schneider
Alexey, the interesting thing in this case is that it is actually the non-web geeks who are all on facebook. The real geeks are here on Friendfeed but most of them aren't currently local to me - Cameron Neylon
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December 25 at 4:26 am - blog.jonudell.net - Link
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“Too much food - and more to come tomorrow with other parts of the family - followed by more the day after with other parts of the family - followed by...well you get the idea - sleep is required now. Have a good holiday everyone!”
December 25 at 4:06 am - Link
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December 23 at 5:54 pm - pyre.third-bit.com - Link
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December 23 at 5:54 pm - network.nature.com - Link
December 23 at 5:54 pm - scienceoftheinvisible.blogspot.com - Link
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December 12 at 2:26 am - blog.openwetware.org - Link
Liking this hard :) It's conversations like this that make you realise 'dumbing-down' is a Newspaper perpetrated myth (for the most part). - Simon Cockell
Also makes you realise that it can be worthwhile not the studiously ignore all those people sharing your public transport. You don't have to go online to interact with people ;-) - Cameron Neylon
Interesting discussion. I definitely always try to find the original source of quoted statistics or studies in news article. It's easy for me because I have access to my school's library databases (e.g. JSTOR, Lexus Nexus, etc), so I am able to access information that others have to pay for. However, even if it's an excerpt, the studies should be available to the public. - Shevonne Polastre
Most interesting, Cameron. Thanks for blogging it ! - Graham Steel
It's a problem across all disciplines in scholarly publishing. No one believes that anyone outside of academe has a serious interest in the content. I think that's wrong, but there is significant reluctance on the part of most institutional players (in both the public or private sectors) in taking on the additional costs implied by proposed broad-scale access models for a relatively limited no. of folks.. (That's just what it looks like to me, sitting in the cheap seats.) - Jill O'Neill
What a great story, thank you for sharing it. - Denton Gentry
Great read Cameron, I'm going to have to subscribe! - Daniel J. Pritchett
My comment got too long and involved, so I turned it into a post instead: http://scienceblogs.com/clock/... - Bora Zivkovic
That's the best kind of comment, Bora. +100 CN to you. (http://www.louisgray.com/live/...) - Daniel J. Pritchett
Well said. maybe I should be riding the train more often. - lester
I wonder how many journals/publishers do what Nature journals do and host datasets /link to databases (eg PDB) in their online Supplementary Information (linked online to paper) which is freely available (requires registration)? (the paper itself, describing the data, is in the subscription bit). And I wonder if this is generally known. - Maxine
I s'pose my question is: we keep whining and complaining about the low level of scientific literacy in this country, but we won't actually let anyone see any science? what's up with that? - Dorothea Salo
since C took stats in college a few years back, I've been telling anyone who will listen that I think *everyone* needs to take at least a little stats. and when I explain *why* (more critical understanding of the news, mostly) most have the lightbulb moment. but...if people do get that level of savvy, then they really do want and need the access to more detailed info! IME taking stats makes you hunger to know what isn't being told. also, what a great story, thanks for sharing it. - Elaine Nelson
I've gotten pretty good at taking what few facts they do give in press releases and digging back to the original paper. Most of the time, the only usable information is the name of one of the people and his institutional affiliation. For biomedical stuff, you can usually use their name to dig up a list of recent publications and maybe find the data that way, but for other disciplines, it's more difficult. Physics has arXiv, but beyond that I'm usually lost. - Mr. Gunn
nice anecdote to have handy in discussions of OS - Jean-Claude Bradley
+1k! quite an uplifting experience you've had! ;) - Yaroslav Nikolaev
Yeah, the man was expressing an awfully common problem. - j1m
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December 12 at 3:35 am - chemspider.com - Link
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December 12 at 1:30 am - mndoci.com - Link
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December 12 at 1:30 am - cshblogs.org - Link
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December 10 at 1:50 pm - rguha.wordpress.com - Link
that's really cool, i didn't know you could import data like that - Christina Pikas
learn something every day! I certainly did - Cameron Neylon
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“New powerbook, friendfeed, multitouch scrolling, this is the life....”
December 10 at 7:13 am - Link
obviously that's a macbook - just shows how long I've been using windows machines... - Cameron Neylon
can you tap to click? - Mr. Gunn
yep - that was the first change to the standard settings I did. Default is that it is off. - Cameron Neylon
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December 9 at 1:54 pm - freelancingscience.com - Link
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