Very sad that in archiving old #friendfeed accounts that I won't be able to get Maxine Clarke's because it is private.
Still, I think there are a lot of her comments on other threads. - Cameron Neylon
Can't help thinking that this is one way women get written out of history. It's less safe for us to exist in public, so. - RepoRat
Yep. Although in the list I've been working through there were more men with private feeds than women. But equally there were a lot more men than women... - Cameron Neylon
Struck by how badly wrong my memory of chronology is. Things that I would have thought were separated by years happened at the same time and vice versa...#backthroughthelikes
So for instance, Google Reader died a lot more recently than I thought. It was contemporaneous with @KayThaney and @mza running #sameAs in London for instance (which was a bit longer ago than I thought) - Cameron Neylon
Some folks here might like this talk I gave yesterday: https://www.dataone.org/webinar...
Following on from (but unrelated to) my post last week about feed tools we have two posts, one from Deepak Singh, and one from Neil Saunders, both talking about ‘friend feeds’ or ‘lifestreams’. The idea here is of aggregating all the content you are generating (or is being generated about you?) into one place. There are a couple of these about but the main ones seem to be Friendfeed and Profiliac. See Deepaks’s post (or indeed his Friendfeed) for details of the conversations that can come out of these type ... - Cameron Neylon
You know that feeling when you gain a new perspective on all the problems that you though insoluble for several years...?
Sure. :) What's up? - RepoRat
Of course, it may well just be that I have a new hammer and all of those issues look like nails :-) - Cameron Neylon
General theory of cultural change in scholarly communications...(and failures thereof) - Cameron Neylon
Formulate the basic problem as one of convincing knowledge clubs (which have non-rivalrous but excludable goods) to share those goods by giving them access to network effects that create new club goods. - Cameron Neylon
Crossref succeeds because the club (publishers) gives away a resource (infrastructure plus identifiers) that gives them a club good (traffic and attention) - Cameron Neylon
IRs live or die on the basis of their ability to convince academics that by depositing manuscripts (club goods -> public goods) that they will exploit the network of the web to get more attention (club goods). Where discovery works and the network is created effectively (eg QUT, Liege, Southampton) this works. This provides design principle for the underlying infrastructure (ie repository software and support systems) that seem to map to success stories. Discovery is critical, frictionless deposit etc etc - Cameron Neylon
Knowledge Unlatched works because it takes the club goods of the library monograph budget, and access to the books themselves, and turns them into a public good, but delivers club goods (saved money in the longer term) back to the club. Unglue.it struggles (as do many crowdfunding campaigns in general)because there is no club to start with so where does the benefit get returned to ? - Cameron Neylon
Consequence: we need to build infrastructures and templates that enable frictionless conversion of club goods to public goods and allow easy integration into *existing* networks/communities that all the club to exploit network effects and gain club returns (or at least given them confidence that such returns are likely). - Cameron Neylon
And this arises out of the view that knowledge is *not* created as a public good but as a club good (non-rivalrous but excludable). Knowledge/insight is situated within communities and needs to be transferred out of them into public spaces. - Cameron Neylon
...which is not new, but took me a long time to wrap my head around. - Cameron Neylon
"... and the network is created effectively" seems really handwavey to me, though that may be because I spent six years trying to create that network and failed quite miserably. How does one effectively create such a network? Are there prerequisites without which it won't happen? Etc. - RepoRat
Yep. It is. My interim answer is that the community probably already needs to exist in some form if you want the easy route. The longer term answer is that we need to build the network as infrastructure. So the reason we can even talk about this is that the web exists as an infrastructure that eases connections and makes network effects accessible on a much larger scale at lower cost. So at some level we need to create those networks... - Cameron Neylon
...the new piece is that we should probably be doing that (at least in our space) by connecting up clubs, rather than trying to "crowdsource" individuals. "build it and they will come" drops out as a design anti-pattern immediately if the club/group/community is central - Cameron Neylon
But yes, things that can stop network effects being accessible include friction (legal, financial, political), poor discovery, lack of interoperability...so nothing new there but it seems to link failures in a number of different bits of our space - Cameron Neylon
I *think* that the logical conclusion of a good model that builds on this would be a) templates that make it easier to adopt good practice in building services/infrastructures/clubs that work in this system and b) good ground rules for telling if something is probably not going to work. That seems useful. - Cameron Neylon
I can go along with this. The piece I would add -- not least because I lectured about it in class today :) -- is FFS START SMALL and grow from there. A thing I didn't realize when I was writing Roach Motel or even How2Scuttle is that if you set your scope to "all of campus, all at once" you're screwed because you can't focus your effort enough to actually help anybody, not to mention... more... - RepoRat
Yep! And that's consistent with the economics of successful "clubs". They need to be at a scale where you can build trust internally before they can be persuaded to unilaterally trust externally. Homogeneity is as much an issue as size because of this. Is it generally true that the most successful IR programs started in departments? Southampton ECS, Harvard FAS (but basically CS), QUT?.... more... - Cameron Neylon
That's an interesting research question. Among the lit review should be the Carrots and Sticks article from D-Lib that I love so much; the angle that fits here is that the IR managers quite consciously and intentionally used bribery to get club rivalries/competitions going. http://www.dlib.org/dlib... - RepoRat
You'd have to explain Mana'o and DList's failures away though. I think that's possible, but it would still need doing. Can't speak for Mana'o, but my impression of DList has always been that they vastly overestimated LIS faculty's give-a-shitness. (Or, to put it in club terms, the internal cohesiveness of the club. ASIST always seems to me like a bunch of people getting together who for the most part don't actually like each other very much.) - RepoRat
CUNY's internal social-network thinger would be an interesting case to look at; so would MLA Commons. Both seem designed for club-building. - RepoRat
Yep, that's useful. Things that would need to fit the model, failures and successes will be crucial to seeing if this makes sense. - Cameron Neylon
Just for my own curiosity's sake, I'd love to hear how California eScholarship turned itself around. I mean, there's an official story, and I mostly believe it as far as it goes. But I'm *dead sure* there's more to it. - RepoRat
this is the best thing on the Internet today. thank you. - jambina
Any chance that my wishful thinking of the schol comm future has any chance? http://www.nuthingbut.net/2015... - Joe
Academics gotta think that it is a big club just for them. - Joe
Ok, so I think I need a more robust and less hand-wavey version of the model before trying to shoe-horn stories into it. Also need a grounding in proper case study methodology at some point. But this does seem to be making some sense still (been churning on it for a few days now...) - Cameron Neylon
if i can help and test any theories out, let me know. i have the fortune (most days) of building a repository from scratch, so working with clubs is totally my angle right now. - jambina
I definitely think you're on to something worth testing as empirically as possible. - RepoRat
@jambina Will bear that in mind. I need to think about how best to take this forward. Will take some time to get the ducks lined up. - Cameron Neylon
all good. we are still moving slowly on this (oh funding requests, how i love writhing thee) so timing might work out. - jambina
Re: Principles for Open Scholarly Infrastructures - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
"Hi Leigh. Yes the Open Definition should be a touch point. I think we felt that wasn't widely enough known so that making the data definitely available in some bulk download form was good to signal. And you're right on open formats as well. I guess in terms of privacy we were trying to signal that the default is open but there are edge cases that need to be acknowledged. Certainly we weren't saying it should be used as an excuse. Maybe that needs to be more explicit." - Cameron Neylon
Re: First analysis of software metrics - http://blog.martinfenner.org/2015...
"Your comment about not following metrics on the forks is interesting because it surfaces an issue that is clearer within software repos but definitely generalises to data (and possibly written works. To what extent is it useful/necessary to natively aggregate up metrics for the forked repos (as opposed to expecting a downstream analyst to decide whether/if they want to do that)? This also comes up with annotations (issues in this context I guess) where you want to somehow signal a transitive property so that the annotation of a gene in a document actually flows through to the gene in the database or the issue on the forked repo flows through to an upstream version..." - Cameron Neylon
Re: Principles for Open Scholarly Infrastructures - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
"That's a really good question. Clearly the governance doesn't fit in terms of stakeholder involvement and financial transparency is minimal. I wonder whether you've hit on an issue which is that our model only works for relatively small infrastructures or at least homogeneous(ish) communities. As things get bigger the issues of effective and representative stakeholder engagement become substantial." - Cameron Neylon
Principles for Open Scholarly Infrastructures - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
Everything we have gained by opening content and data will be under threat if we allow the enclosure of scholarly infrastructures. We propose a set of principles by which Open Infrastructures to support the research community could be run and sustained. - Geoffrey Bilder, Jennifer Lin, Cameron Neylon - Cameron Neylon
The problem of expertise: The Brighton/English Touring Theatre production of Stoppard’s Arcadia - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
The play Arcadia by Tom Stoppard‘s links entropy and chaos theory, the history of english landscape gardens, romantic literature and idiocies of academia. I’ve always thought of it as Stoppard’s most successful “clever” play, the one that best combines the disparate material he is bringing together into a coherent whole. Rosencrantz and Guildernstern are Dead feels more straightforward, more accessible, although I don’t doubt that many will feel that’s because I’m missing its depths. In the Theatre Royal Brighton/English Touring Theatre production that just closed at the Theatre Royal in Bath the part of Thomasina was played by ... - Cameron Neylon
This week I apparently will mostly be cranky...
...and mostly responding to queries with "FFS, just go and read this thing from...like...eight years ago and get back to me afterwards..." - Cameron Neylon
We had our Steacie Library Hackfest this week. Just finished and it was a huge success. I am uncrankyable this week. #yulhackfest is the hashtag. - John Dupuis from iPhone
That's a plus. I need some of that I think. Ideally energetic enthusiastic people who've actually done some homework... - Cameron Neylon
Other than being buried in gruntwork, I'm actually having a great week! Classes going well (I GOT THROUGH RDF/XML WITHOUT KILLING ANYONE including myself), met an applicant today that I really hope chooses us, got Encode Club off the ground... life's good! - RepoRat
Another tree, a different cat...
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This was actually a cub. There is a picture somewhere in here of a full grown cheetah up in the same tree which just goes to show...cats...trees....high stuff... - Cameron Neylon
Who do you get to say I am? - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
There’s an argument I often hear that brings me up short. Not so much short because I don’t have an answer but because I haven’t managed to wrap my head around where it comes from. It generally comes in one of two forms, either “You can’t possibly understand our world because you’re not an X” (where X is either “humanist”, “creative” or “social scientist”) or its close variant “You can’t possibly understand…because you’re a scientist”. There are a couple of reasons why this is odd to me. The first is a ... - Cameron Neylon
I have bitten my tongue on "how is that not an ad hominem argument?" soooooooo many times... - RepoRat
Both ad hominem and usually followed up with "...and because science communication is like this and like that...which I clearly understand" which is somewhat...ironic in its symmetry. - Cameron Neylon
heh. that too. - RepoRat
Loss, time and money - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
For my holiday project I’m reading through my old blog posts and trying to track the conversations that they were part of. What is shocking, but not surprising with a little thought, is how many of my current ideas seem to spring into being almost whole in single posts. And just how old some of those posts are. At the some time there is plenty of misunderstanding and rank naivety in there as well. The period from 2007-10 was clearly productive and febrile. The links out from my posts point to ... - Cameron Neylon
Nice overview of the discussions. - Joe
I guess its not surprising but the technology moves on, the problems don't. Quite interesting how many things that I thought were really important to try don't seem worth it any more because they'd be too easy - proof of principle is trivial and doing it well hard work... - Cameron Neylon
Data Capture for the Real World - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
Many efforts at building data infrastructures for the “average researcher” have been funded, designed and in some cases even built. Most of them have limited success. Part of the problem has always been building systems that solve problems that the “average researcher” doesn’t know that they have. Issues of curation and metadata are so far beyond the day to day issues that an experimental researcher is focussed on as to be incomprehensible. We clearly need better tools, but they need to be built to deal with the problems that researchers face. ... - Cameron Neylon
There's one more known trick for getting people to improve metadata -- believe it or not, it's putting in *wrong* metadata. Do this right, and it itches people enough that they correct it. FWIW. ;) - RepoRat
Also, I think you and David Rosenthal share a hive mind: http://blog.dshr.org/2014... - RepoRat
Yep, wrong metadata is a good strategy but it needs to be in the context of "mostly right" and "wow, that just appeared of its own accord?". In this system "wrong" can also be "not quite right enough to drive functionality" which is a great place to be. - Cameron Neylon
The sense of "capture metadata at source" and then add to it as appropriate/necessary seems to be gathering some steam (per Rosenthal piece). Maybe I'll stop being heretic on this sometime ;-) - Cameron Neylon
If were fined $10 every time someone mis-used the term gold #openaccess I think we could fund all of scholarly comms..
If that included every time somebody looks at a journal's page misdefining gold OA, I think you might be right. - walt crawford
It's true - but I'm getting much more irritable with stuff coming out of institutions on this (or from "experts") - Cameron Neylon
welcome to my so-called (prior professional) life. I had to swallow that BS from sooooooooooooo many people... - RepoRat
And another $10 for every time someone says, "But what about the poor publishers?" - John Dupuis
and another $10 for "it's not sustaaaaaaaaaaaaaainable" - RepoRat
And $1 for every time Sandy Thatcher brings up university press monographs. So low cause otherwise it would bring down the world financial system. - John Dupuis
Ugh, we gotta stop this, because I am thinking THINGS I SHOULD NOT BE THINKING about the opportunities for mayhem in the NASIG/SSP co-day (I am going to NASIG).* - RepoRat
* disclaimer: things I would not ever actually do, but are still fun to think about, in a wistfully evil sort of way - RepoRat
Because you never know what's going to just slip out by accident ;-) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014... - John Dupuis
Yeah, it might be a knife.* - RepoRat
* disclaimer: I never carry a knife when traveling. Like the TSA would even let me, sheesh. - RepoRat
Interesting - lags between online availability & official pub date inflate Impact Factor. http://www.plosone.org/article... cc @ctitusbrown
oh, clever (of the publishers). evil and stupid (of Thomson). - RepoRat
it's really Roach Motel writ large -- I've been known to open OA talks with the koan "how does your paper get cited twice in the same journal issue in which it appears? post a preprint!" - RepoRat
suggests that one thing the CrossMark initiative should track across versions is date of availability. - RepoRat
Crossref is looking at a duplicative works standard that might cover some of this. The same game is also being played with embargoes. It might be available online but you have to wait a year for it to be "officially published" - Cameron Neylon
yeah, what BS -- I mean, ADDED VALUE. - RepoRat
A corollary is that encouraging preprint deposit should also inflate IF as long as cites to preprints are captured (as they are in ArXiv)
RT @OKFN: #France Prefers to Pay (twice) for Papers by Its Researchers – by @okfnFr's @MaliciaRogue @Pclanglais http://blog.okfn.org/2014... #openacess
I love it when a plan comes together. Article info aggregation from APC returns by @cottagelabs for #JiscMonitor http://apc.ooz.cottagelabs.com/
RT @andypowe11: why education is, and isn't, like baseball - by @mweller - http://blog.edtechie.net/books...
RT @Klangable: The comicbook artist who drew the strip that Lichtenstein’s ‘Whaam!’ was based upon has made a comic about it http://usvsth3m.com/post...
RT @SpotOnLondon: New tools for Science - Find out more at @SpotOnLondon Workshop "Measuring social impact" http://www.nature.com/spoton... #solo14alt
.@hamslaai TBH publishers not helping but they're adding to existing murk. Seen it more misused by university types and "experts"
If were fined $10 every time someone mis-used the term gold #openaccess they we could fund all of scholarly comms..
Wow - increase in info on jrnl pricing just keeps on coming. Elsevier deal with Fr via @MaliciaRogue & @Dorialexander https://translate.google.com/transla...
The @SpotOnLondon conference this Fri/Sat now free! http://www.nature.com/spoton... If you care about research communication you should be there!
Great to see @CrossRefNews and @datacite working together to improve data citation to and from the wider literature - http://www.datacite.org/CrossRe...
Does anyone have an up to date figure for subscription market share (by $) of the big trad publishers?
no, sorry. it's a very interesting question. - RepoRat
Generally available in those reports people pay thousands of dollars for...I'm looking at a back of the envelope calculation that gives a jaw dropping result, but I need those figures to confirm... - Cameron Neylon
Ok, not quite so jaw dropping...or maybe...arrgggh...can't get quite the numbers I need to pin this down... - Cameron Neylon
Besides "by $" it would also be interesting to have "by number of pubs" or "by number of journals", because the first I biased towards expensive journals... - Egon Willighagen
Yes, that's kind of my point in this case. Basically I'm trying to calculate how much orgs or countries could do with money saved by subscription cancellations. Often I've got total subscriptions but not by publisher, or by publisher but not the total so I can't calculate proportions... - Cameron Neylon
Yeah, trade secrets... - Egon Willighagen
RT @SpotOnLondon: Keep an eye on @SpotOnLondon updates and book your ticket....now it's FREE!!! http://www.nature.com/spoton... #solo14
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