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The bravery of librarians - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...

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Two things caught my attentions over the past few days. The first was the text of a Graduation Address from Dorothea Salo to the graduating students of the Library and Information Sciences Program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. The second was a keynote from Chris Bourg, whose blog is entitled “Feral Librarian”, gave at The Acquisitions Institute. Both focus on how the value of libraries and the value of those who defend the needs of all to access information are impossible to completely measure. Both offer a prescription of action and ... - Cameron Neylon

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My small effort at pissing people off for the day: http://scienceblogs.com/confess... - John Dupuis

404 error for Dorothea's link - maʀtha

I know but that's a problem at her end I'm afraid. Looks like slis.wisc.edu is also down... - Cameron Neylon

@John That list is...ummm....extensive... - Cameron Neylon

Tell me about it. When I started compiling it a week or so ago I figured I'd end up with 10 or 20 items max. But the number of small programs and departments that have been cut really surprised me. - John Dupuis

Up around 2000 page views for the post. - John Dupuis

LSW: Eric Hellman

If you want Walt Crawford to unglue his book "The Big Deal and the Damage Done" you can wish for it at https://unglue.it/work/120545/ just don't expect him to change into an extrovert over night.

May 17 - Comment - Like - Share

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Hi there Eric. You sure know how to enter an online community! - lris

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Well, I know half the people here already. - Eric Hellman

So this would unglue the book, but not Walt himself? - Steele Lawman

we can't unglue Walt because there's no ISBN for him and OCLC won't catalog him. - Eric Hellman

At one point my library was seriously considering cataloging the liaisons so that we'd end up appearing when people searched for our topics of expertise. If we did that, could I be unglued? - lris

no time to read all the instructions - do i have to pledge an amount or is wishlisting it enough? - Christina Pikas

wishlisting is enough - Eric Hellman

Unhinged? - Steele Lawman

Iris, if the liaisons get their own Worldcat records, then maybe. We could start "unbalance.it". - Eric Hellman

It might be easier to come unglued all by myself... - lris

and now I'm thinking of a Guess Who pastiche - DJF from Android

I'm on Van Halen's "Unchained" myself. - Steele Lawman

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Joe, I love that video. And David Lee Roth is the hotness. - Steele Lawman

There are some threads I'd just as soon stay out of. - Walt Crawford

Okay, I have wished! My son is very good at ungluing things, but I suspect he's a little too young to have an account. - laura x

Walt, if I were you, I would stay out of David Lee Roth's threads. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I would note one thing: Buying the book may have more of an effect than wishing for it. At $9.95 (and you *own* the PDF--no DRM, free to lend it, free to resell it), it's not a massive commitment. - Walt Crawford

Tied for #45 on the most-wished list with "Watchmen" and Tufte's "Display of Quantitative Information". https://unglue.it/lists... - Eric Hellman

Can't we declare Walt a National Treasure and get him archived and cataloged that way? - Cameron Neylon

As the person who originally raised this issue,I am glad to see interest, and if Walt decide to go for it I'll put down more money to unglue it. But I think I'll just say that here. - barbara fister

Cameron: No. I'm no treasure, national or local (I'm mostly a grumpy but curious old twice-fired has-been), and National Treasure doesn't carry funding. - Walt Crawford

[The "but curious" is, of course, what leads to the public library non-closure study, the academic library "circ is falling everywhere" study, Give Us a Dollar...and The Big Deal and the Damage Done. Curiosity combined with reasonable writing and adequate numeracy is a terrible, terrible thing.] - Walt Crawford

Looking at this again...Cameron, thanks very much for saying that. I'm feeling a little grumpy and not at all like a treasure. It happens. - Walt Crawford

No problem. I think we all feel a bit grumpy and unappreciated sometimes...sometimes justified, sometimes not, but always human. - Cameron Neylon

LSW: Cameron Neylon

Q for the hive brain: I have a recollection of a journal that was OA, was purchased and taken closed. The content remained available via PMC but was not linked from the publisher site which now appeared as a subscription journal...anyone point me in that direction?

May 17 - Comment - Like - Share

is it this one? http://gclibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2013... - RepoRat

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It wasn't the one that I had in mind but its a nice example. I'm recalling a UK blog post, might have been Oxford University Press - Cameron Neylon

I think there was a math one? Went from oa to like Oxford or something? - Christina Pikas from iPhone

Was it ILAR? http://nas-sites.org/ilarjou... - Hedgehog

Not the subject you are looking for, but I am pretty sure that Folklorica used to be free since it was listed in a "Free Online Journals" database, and now it charges subscriptions, https://ojsprdap.vm.ku.edu/index... (Folklorica, Journal of the Slavic and East European Folkore Association. ISSN 1920-0242.) - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

The one I was thinking of was presumably biomedical because the content is/was in PMC but keep the examples coming! The more the merrier. These examples are to point out why the publisher position that "PMC is duplication of effort" is not true. - Cameron Neylon

BePress journals are not biomedical, but were sold and closed. (Although I guess they were sort of quasi-OA?) - Jaclyn aka spamgirl

Years ago I published a piece in SIMILE - at the time out of U of Toronto Press and OA - and it migrated to a US university and suddenly was no longer open. And now, apparently, has ceased. Gee, why would that happen? - barbara fister

LSW: Marie

Have you signed on to the Cost of Knowledge? If so, how have you replied when subsequently asked to review/publish/edit an Els journal? Specific language wins extra points.

May 16 - Comment - Like - Share

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i'll see if i can find it. - jambina

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Yes, haven't been asked because the Big E knows better. ;) - RepoRat

I haven't so I don't encounter this. But if I had, I'd probably say something like, "Thank you for the invitation to [do whatever] for [journal of whatever]. I must, however, decline. I am a signatory to the Cost of Knowledge declaration (http://thecostofknowledge.com/) and will do no work of any kind for an Elsevier publication in protest of that company's policies and actions, past... more... - Steele Lawman

Yes, and I have turned down a guest special issue article offer because of it, and am moving off Mendeley now for same reason (some done: taking a while because was heavy user) - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

I'll copy in my text when I get to computer - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

I signed it, but I have not been asked to review/publish/edit an Els pub. I would probably simply decline and say that I have other projects going on. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

aw, g'wan, tell 'em why. the more we make clear to Elsevier quislings that the Big E's behavior means less-viable journals, the better. - RepoRat

I have a general "no non-immediate OA reviewing policy". Text i generally use is..."Thankyour for your invitation to review X. I am afraid I no longer review for any journal or article which will not be made immediately Open Access with a CC BY license. [sometimes something on...I can't even tell what your journal policy is]. If your journal moves to an Open Access footing in the future I would be happy to look at reviewing papers for you at that time." - Cameron Neylon

Nice, Both. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

Yes, I like that. I may add Lawman's "Screw the man" at the end, just because it kind of seals the deal. - Marie

Yeah, I thought the point to signing such a thing (or having such a personal policy) was to give yourself the courage/platform for a little lecture if they ever asked you to do something for an Evilsevier journal. - Steele Lawman

fyi here's what I said recently when invited to submit a paper: "Thanks for the invitation. It sounds like a great special issue! That said, I've signed the Elsevier boycott. In the spirit of encouraging you to understand how seriously some scholars dislike Elsevier's current policies and wish you would move your journal to a truly Open publisher I'm not willing to write anything for your publication. Hopefully we'll have a chance to collaborate another way some day." - Heather Piwowar

evidence it is so important you say WHY you are declining -- why you should take a moment to give the little lecture :) The person wrote back: "Thanks! I think this is great. We will make a special point about how two have refused to publish with Elsevier and how the quality of Elsevier journals suffers because of its policies and lobbying. That way your message will reach the audience (and editors). " - Heather Piwowar

About a year ago I got an offer to publish in Elsevier's Library Connect. It was just before the Cost of Knowledge happened but I ended up declining anyway due to Big E's support of SOPA. That thread is here: http://friendfeed.com/lsw... - John Dupuis

Sarah G.

RT @campuscopyright: This is a head scratcher! Copyright Clearance Center Joins Open Access Scholarly Publishers Association http://t.co/gVhcdnndKN

May 14 from Advanced Tweets - Comment - Like - Share

bomb it from within? - RepoRat

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The CCC is a "leading provider of Open Access solutions?" - Steele Lawman

They want to keep their enemies closer. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I was thinking I accidentally woke up in bizzaro world this morning. - Sarah G.

They want to manage cash flows as an intermediary. A bit behind the eight-ball but EBSCO and others already playing in this space. - Cameron Neylon

But if you want *really* weird for today...a little bird tells me that Kent (Author as customer is an abomination) Anderson's journal is going to start charging submission fees... - Cameron Neylon

Heather Piwowar

Just went back to find my 1st blog post. Y'know who welcomed me from day 1? @sennoma @LibSkrat + @petermurrayrust :) http://researchremix.wordpress.com/2007...

May 13 - Comment - Like - Share

Egon Willighagen, Björn Brembs, Marianne and 9 other people liked this

...and Paul Miller! - Cameron Neylon

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what you have done with that blog in six years is nothing short of astounding. - RepoRat

Bookmarking this for lonely days. Astounding, she said. Astounding! Onward. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

Oi. You kick azz. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. - RepoRat

Yup, i do :) but i get lonely. Anyway.... Just so cool you guys were there from day one. I'm forever grateful to Bill Hooker for finding my blog, flagging it to oanews, and issuing strong welcome :) - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

Six years already? Excellent :) - Hedgehog

Heather Piwowar

Has anyone tried to obtain textmining access from Elsevier recently? Positive or negative experiences to share?

May 9 - Comment - Like - Share

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I think you are the only one with the stamina to even try. - Bill Hooker

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Liking to bump but I suspect Bill's right... - Cameron Neylon

I would expect that Peter MR tried... - Egon Willighagen

we're trying to get the reaxys api access they promise in all their literature... seems like they shouldn't hype it if we have to tell them why we're using it and wait now > 2weeks to get started with it :( - Christina Pikas

i think they might be trying to get out of supporting academic users with their api... but it doesn't say that on their website. - Christina Pikas

Walt Crawford

It Didn’t Work for Phil Ochs, It Doesn’t Work for Jeffrey Beall - http://walt.lishost.org/2013...

May 8 from Walt at Random - Comment - Like - Share

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Does someone have a copy of the 2013 "Predatory OA" paper of Beall? Sounds like a fun read. - Egon Willighagen

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It has taken me three years to go from being interested in Jeffrey Beall's analyses of journals (http://journalology.blogspot.co.uk/2010...) to rolling my eyes every time he comments on Open Access. - Matt Hodgkinson

Walt, yes. If you unglue it, I'll contribute and encourage others to also, for sure. Be sure to set a minimum level that makes you happy, though. - Heather Piwowar

Egon: Since the serials crisis is over and everybody has access to all the subscription serials they could possibly read, you must--MUST--be able to read Beall's article. Of course, I can't (not without paying $23.68, an oddly specific sum), but that's because I'm one of those nonexistent unaffiliated folks who don't matter. - Walt Crawford

Heather: I will do that. So far, I've received 0 email and 0 comments on the post itself, but it's early yet. - Walt Crawford

I'm just puzzled. He's a librarian right? At a university? Who presumably has to argue for a budget? Which he's just lost all leverage over for ever and for all time because "there is no problem"? Am I missing something? - Cameron Neylon

He's at the University of Colorado Denver Auraria Library. If his ScholComm role is similar to the one at my uni, he doesn't actually have any collection development responsibilities or a budget to manage. How the UCD electronic resources and collection development librarians feel about what he's saying would be very interesting to know. - Hedgehog

"Jeffrey is the Scholarly Initiatives Librarian at Auraria Library." http://people.auraria.edu/Jeffrey... I think his background is as a metadata/cataloger. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

yes, he started out as a cataloger. He previously had a holy war against Dublin Core and argued for MARC. - Sarah

Which may make me indirectly partly responsible for him (except that I never argued *against* DC), for which I apologize. Come to think of it: I never argued *for* MARC except to say that if you're going to call it MARC, you should know what you're talking about. - Walt Crawford

I'd give a lot to read his tenure file. - Steele Lawman

I think I am detecting a tendency towards high profile tilting against windmills as a consequence of "being on t'internets" which seems to lead to highly polarized positions being taken up. Profile building seems to require taking extreme, even archetypal positions.</potCallingKettleBlack> - Cameron Neylon

Cameron, indeed. The more "extreme" your statement, the higher the impact. And because it is hard to find new scientific results that are extreme, people focus on things around science. (or make new science finding sound more extreme than they are... which is *very* common deep inside the publishing world, as we all know) - Egon Willighagen

Sarah G.

RT @smireau: #callacbd2013 @bibliobess Manifesto. #loveit http://t.co/dnHNExT7Mj

May 8 from Advanced Tweets - Comment - Like - Share

Just curious- is taking pictures of slides considered OK at your conferences? It would get you a beat down at mine (well, as much as a beat down as a bunch of environmental scientists can muster...more like hardy admonishments) - sglassme

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Varies across disciplines. At a library conference, nobody would blink. Humanities conference, nobody would *care*. Many science fields with elevated scooping fears, it's considered uncool (though sometimes happens anyway). - RepoRat

Just realized my impression of admonishing environmental scientists is similar to my impression of upset Fench men. Lots of nasally "hwa hwa hwa" mumbles. - Sarah G.

People can photograph my BIALL presentation. It's all CC licenced images. - Pete #TeamMonique

Notes in the... notes field so they make sense later. - Pete #TeamMonique

I think RR has it right--at a library conference, nobody would much care. Unless you were disrupting the session somehow. - Walt Crawford

I've taken recently to pointing out when I stick up my "its ok to do whatever you like with this talk" slide that all the photos people have been taking (often people are in commercial publishing operations, taking pictures of slides from talks on licensing issues) are technical copyright violations... - Cameron Neylon

Ross Mounce

Re: A meditation on rejection - distributed ecology - http://emhart.github.com/blog...

May 7 from Disqus - Comment - Like - Share

"Just shared this with my ecology friends at Bath (via email). It makes me so sad to read. But thank you for writing it. I really hope we can get future generations into preprint culture, open access publishing, and the "publish, then filter" ethos. It'll be hard work, but examples like this are *exactly* why I've spent a lot of my time campaigning for open science rather than just 'getting my head down' and 'banging out' research papers. The system has to change. It's absurd atm." - Ross Mounce

Was just motivated to check of the three papers that I can remember were rejected (without review) by Nature they have 100, 53, and 28 citations respectively... - Cameron Neylon

Heather Piwowar

Exclusive license to publish != Open

May 5 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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I am thinking we should change the Open Access Spectrum so that rather than "author retains copyright" that column says "author retain rights to distribute under any chosen license". Copyright in and of itself is useless... - Cameron Neylon

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nature lets authors retain copyright, but they require worldwide exclusive publishing rights - DJF from Android

...and exclusive commercial rights. So basically authors "own copyright" but actually have a set of rights that are pretty much limited to some personal uses. - Cameron Neylon

Yup. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

+1 on the analysis. - Egon Willighagen

Graham Steel

"Remarkable Growth of Open Access in the Biomedical Field: Analysis of PubMed Articles from 2006 to 2010" http://www.plosone.org/article...

May 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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"The main survey concluded that the OA rate increased significantly between 2006 and 2010: the OA rate in 2010 (50.2%) was twice that in 2006 (26.3%)". An OA rate of ~50% seems a tad on the optimistic side... - Graham Steel

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if they limit to the US, maybe not, because of PMC. Worldwide, yeah, that seems unlikely. - RepoRat

I haven't read through in detail but I think what they tested was whether a PubMed article was accessible online in 2012 so on that 50% seems plausible. Combination of IRs, PMC, and journals probably does add up. But I want to look a lot closer at their methodology. - Cameron Neylon

Thanks for the comments.... - Graham Steel

Heather Piwowar

Today: composted funeral flowers at my mum's, co-wrote a 36-hr turnaround grant response letter, and bought a remote-control car. Positive: I have a full and lucky life. Negative: today was really hard.

April 30 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

I hear you. - RepoRat

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RepoRat: I'm really glad you are in my life. You help. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

Back atcha. :) - RepoRat

The hard days are...hard. Not sure I have anything more useful to offer than that but glad that you are also thinking of some positives. - Cameron Neylon

RepoRat to RepoRat's feed, LSW

Biss bill seeks to break academic journal cartel | Evanston Now - http://evanstonnow.com/story...

April 26 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Biss bill got past the Illinois senate. Unanimously. I admit to surprise. - RepoRat from Bookmarklet

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Wow. unanimous. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Impressive. I'll be interested to see what comes out of these task forces... - Hedgehog

Its a pretty weak bill though now, just to "look into it" really. But still unanimous is pretty amazing all things considered. - Cameron Neylon

Cameron Neylon

The siren call of declaring email bankruptcy...so tempting...

April 25 - Comment - Like - Share

double dawg dare - jambina

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control-a, control-d - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I was just in a presentation on time management where she suggested giving up on anything older than a couple months and moving 2 months-current into a separate inbox and see what comes back around. - Hedgehog

wow. radical (truly) - maʀtha

I've already deleted everything more than two months old and tossed out anything that isn't critical-should-have-been-responded-to-yesterday. This leaves 350 items growing at approximately 40 per day (after similar weeding...) #wibble - Cameron Neylon

good god, man - Meg V. Meg

Heather Piwowar

My dad died yesterday. He had terminal cancer, but his death was sudden: he had a major stroke on Saturday. I'm my father's daughter in so many ways, and I will miss him terribly.

April 16 - Comment - Like - Share

I'm so very sorry to hear this. My thoughts are with you and your family - maʀtha

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I'm sorry for your loss. - Marie

Can you take some time off work? - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

oh Heather, much love to you. do let us know if we can do anything - even if that is just bad knock-knock jokes to take your mind off things. - jambina

our condolences - Pete #TeamMonique

thinking of you, here, too. take care. - Marianne

*hugs* I'm so sorry for your loss. - LB: #TeamMonique from Android

I'm very sorry. *hugs* - Betsy #TeamMonique

Condolences. And hugs - Christina Pikas from iPhone

I'm so sorry, Heather. - Katy S

I'm so sorry. As another father's daughter left without hers, my thoughts are with you. - Jenica from iPhone

I'm so sorry to hear this. I'll be thinking of you and your family. - Catherine Pellegrino

Love and light to you, Heather. - Derrick

*hugs* and thoughts with you heather - Sir Shuping is just sir

I'm really sorry to hear that. Thinking of you and your family. - Stephen le Francoeur

I'm sorry for your loss Heather. Let your memories of happier times together help you and your family through the sadness, and sustain you as the passage of time helps mend your heart. - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ

so sorry Heather - weelibrarian

Condolences! We'll be thinking of you. - Rebecca Hedreen

I'm so sorry for your loss. - Kelli H. from Android

I'm very sorry, Heather. - RepoRat

So sorry for your loss. Got the email auto-reply and was afraid that was what had happened. Best wishes for all your family. - Cameron Neylon

So very sorry to hear this. Many hugs to you. - Hedgehog

my deepest sympathies. that's a difficult loss. - t-ra: not givin up

I'm so very sorry, Heather. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!

I'm sorry for your family's and the worlds loss. Take care of yourself and those around you as best as you can and let others help take care of you. - SteVe C

So very sorry. Do take time for yourself. - Mary B: #TeamMonique from iPhone

very sorry to hear :( let us know if we can help with anything - Jason - The Opaque from Android

I'm so sorry, Heather. I echo Jenica's thoughts from another fatherless daughter. I miss mine every day, and it's been almost 20 years. *hugs* - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

My condolences, Heather. My thoughts are with you and your family. - Bill Hooker

I'm so sorry, Heather. He must have been so proud of you! Thinking of you and yours. - Meg V. Meg

My condolences. It's an awful passage watching your parents die. - Heather

I'm so sorry. - Running Slow

So sorry. Take your time with it. - Björn Brembs

I am so sorry. My thoughts are with you and yours. - Amandadon't from Android

Very sorry for your loss! I am like you in that I am so much my father's daughter. I don't know how or what I'll do when mine passes which I know is inevitable. Take care. - Paulette

thanks so much for all of these kind thoughts. they mean more than you know. hugs to those who have been or are in a similar spot, and thank you for sharing that with me, it helps. We had a lovely service on Saturday... he would have cried the whole time :) Here's his obituary: http://bit.ly/YKEBb7 Thanks again, everybody, for caring. - Heather Piwowar

that's a lovely obituary, Heather. Thank you for sharing it. - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

Graham Steel

"Experts disagree on whether cost of publishing research will fall, as #openaccess grows, MPs hear" #BISOA

O'Dowd et al.pdf 148 KB

April 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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Y'know, reading that--esp. Alma Swan's comments--I realized that "Kick it down the road a decade or so" is the theme song of Green OA, and I don't know whether academic/spedial libraries can survive the "EVENTUALLY subscription costs might, maybe, perhaps go down" scenario. - Walt Crawford

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Should that be speeddial libraries or special libraries? I like the former. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I meant special libraries, but speeddial libraries--"Just call 1-800-ELSEVIER and your budget allocation worries are all gone!"--might work as well. - Walt Crawford

(not to slight Wiley and such smaller charmers as Sage, Emerald and ACS...) - Walt Crawford

Oh I do like the way I've been selectively quoted there...no mention at all of "...prices will go down." - Cameron Neylon

There's been a disagreeable (to me) tendency in the OA-sphere to gloss over the question of loss of publisher profits. It doesn't take a PhD in economics to see the difference between the pseudo-monopoly nature of a subscription system in which journals are economic complements (if your field is Bollocks, you must subscribe to both J. Bollocks and Proc. Nat. Assoc. Bollocks) and the... more... - Bill Hooker

Bill: I hear what you're saying, and you know that some of us (ahem) with relatively small voices have been addressing this issue. - Walt Crawford

The title of O'Dowd's article in the BMJ is certainly not fully reflective of what was discussed during the ~3 hour hearing which I watched the other day. If you have too much time on yer hands, here it is... http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main... - Graham Steel

Moreover, I don't think O'Dowd et al has much experience in this territory, if any http://www.bmj.com/about-b... - Graham Steel

Stephen le Francoeur

Just created an altmetrics report on myself at ImpactStory. Wish I could clean up dupe items. http://impactstory.org/collect... via @ImpactStory

April 16 from Advanced Tweets - Comment - Like - Share

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this is possibly too much fun. here's mine: http://impactstory.org/collect... - RepoRat

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I also tried out the bookmarklet for Almetrics and logged into the demo site for Plum Analytics. In all services, not only is there a danger from scholars (and their buddies) from maliciously gaming the system but there is also the problem of self-citation, self-tweeting, self-bookmarking, etc. It would be nice if you could tell all these systems, "Hey, my delicious account is ___, so ignore any self-bookmarks there, and my Mendeley account is ___, so ignore self-bookmarks there, and also..." etc. - Stephen le Francoeur

ORCID? Exported Google Scholar? Retired; too lazy; didn't finish. - Walt Crawford

Walt, that was the best part! I'd already set up ORCID profile a while ago and now I found a use for it. As soon as I fed in the ORCID number for me, it gave back a list of articles. Downloading a BibTex file from Google Scholar was a first for me but easy to do. I'm amazed by how quickly it then pulled data from disparate sources and presented a nice clean report. It would be even more interesting if my work was really highly cited, bookmarked, tweeted, etc. - Stephen le Francoeur

OK, I'm trying it. Looks like it may take a while... (20 ORCID items, 378 Google Scholar. I do love the loose definition of scholarship that turns half a dozen proper items into 378...) - Walt Crawford

"A while" may understate the situation. Still running, with no guess as to when/if it will finish. - Walt Crawford

You broke it, you bought it. - Stephen le Francoeur

Still churning away. Wonder if it will give up when I log off (shortly) or just keep churning away? - Walt Crawford

server-side process; I'd guess it'll still churn. - RepoRat

I think you hurt the service's feelings. I'm sure it's monitoring FF as well as Twitter. It's not like you can just say mean things about ImpactStory and not expect your words to have...ummm...have an impact. - Stephen le Francoeur

Yes, well, we'll see. Technically, I'm not going to log off--I'm just going to put my notebook in Hibernate mode and turn off the power. Maybe by tomorrow morning it will have finished. Maybe the beta version should be set so it never imports more than, say, 200 items total. As Pete would say, TTFN. - Walt Crawford

Hi guys. Walt, it shouldn't take that long. It sounds like ImpactStory is running in to a bug. ImpactStory is me and Jason Priem: I'm dealing with family medical emergency at the moment and Jason's running it alone while trying to get out a major grant this week, so the service may be slightly limping. I'll look into in the next week or two when I can reengage with the world. I appreciate your trying it and look forward to hearing what you think when we get it working for you :) - Heather Piwowar

Stephen, did you see you can de-dup by clicking the Xs on the left of the items when you mouse over them? - Heather Piwowar

Stephen and Repo, glad you tried it and liked it. Feedback welcome. You are right on that a way to detect self-mentions/bookmarks/etc would be valuable. Work on gaming detection is underway at SSRN, PLOS, and other places. - Heather Piwowar

Heather: You have much more important things to deal with right now. I didn't realize it was such a tiny operation. It had failed when I got up, saying I didn't import anything; I'll check back in in a few weeks. - Walt Crawford

Here's me: ORCID, github, and slideshare import worked a treat - http://impactstory.org/collect... (full disclosure - I'm on the board of ImpactStory but I don't do any of the work, that's all Heather and Jason) - Cameron Neylon

Here's me: http://impactstory.org/collect... It is interesting that "highly discussed" and "highly saved" in my case amounts to a handful of bookmarks and tweets. - LibrarianOnTheLoose

Cameron Neylon

What’s the right model for shared scholarly communications infrastructure? - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...

April 13 from Science in the Open - Comment - Like - Share

Bill Hooker, Yo Joe. No, go slow., John Dupuis and 2 other people liked this

There have been a lot of electrons spilled over the Elsevier Acquisition of Mendeley. I don’t intend to add too much to that discussion but it has provoked for me an interesting train of thought which seems worth thinking through. For what its worth my views of the acquisition are not too dissimilar to those of Jason Hoyt and John Wilbanks, and I recommend their posts. I have no doubt that the Mendeley team remain focussed on their vision and I hope they do well with it. And even with ... - Cameron Neylon

Heather Piwowar

Re Mendeley/Elsevier one area I don't see being discussed in twitter stream etc, is that this buys Elsevier proprietary Intelligence. What Mendeley reveals in their Open API is only a tiny amount of their total data. It isn't click stream or highlighting or fine grained demographics etc. This means that Mendeley gives Elsevier a competitive...

April 9 - Comment - Like - Share

Kubke, Kaan Öztürk, Garret McMahon and 12 other people liked this

advantage on what scholars do and how they do it. People are talking about whether Mendeley will treat all publishers equally like Scopus does... there is a difference. Scopus is built on citations, which anyone could in theory get with enough money. With Mendeley, Elsevier gets workflow information, and no other publishers get that. It is a smart move for them, but a blow to people who think that propping up Elsevier is not best for the industry. - Heather Piwowar

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yes. please write that blog post. - RepoRat

Will try but no time today. Someone else free free to beat me to it, no need for attribution. - Heather Piwowar

the way things have worked before, a given aggregator only had access to individual user behavior related to their own publications, and not even always (library proxy servers protect people to some extent). Now Elsevier knows what every Mendeley user is reading and saving; they may even know some of where Mendeley users *get* what they read and save. if that doesn't seem worrisome to people, they weren't paying attention to the Attributor thing. - RepoRat

link to Attributor thing? - Heather Piwowar

http://scientopia.org/blogs... and http://scientopia.org/blogs... I think Elsevier would LOVE to peg Mendeley users who aren't clearly downloading via library or toll-gate access mechanisms. - RepoRat

Even if they are, the shared groups (which I'll admit to having been one to encourage for cross campus collab) means all the researchers then have access. - Hedgehog

But doesn't this mean they're going to start getting sued like whoa? I mean, it was my understanding that Mendeley's provision of (some of?) this data to the publishers was one of the only reasons they weren't already getting sued like whoa. - Meg V. Meg

Bjoern Brembs says http://bjoern.brembs.net/comment... - Graham Steel

Meg, I hadn't heard that. Got linky? Because that's a reeeeeeally interesting angle. - RepoRat

Hard to stop thinking about Mendeley-as-elsevier-loyalty-card for data collection. I'm not thinking about it wrt subscription enforcement, but rather as intelligence for future Elsevier product innovations. Future product innovations that help Elsevier as priority #1 and scholarship and open scholarship with the same priority Elsevier has previously shown. - Heather Piwowar

Is Meg referring to something like what Jason Hoyt mentioned this moring? http://enjoythedisruption.com/post... - Hedgehog

And now VictorH says http://paidcontent.org/2013... - Graham Steel

Heather, regarding the insight available through the API and user activity. Imagine Elsevier was out of the picture, what would you say if Mendeley used it to do the same for itself. Develop and innovate on features that it had exclusive insight to, toward its own advancement? - Ricardo Vidal

I'd be ok with that. I've been assuming that's what you've been doing till now. - Heather Piwowar

So, following that logic, because you see Elsevier as evil, you consider that they'll certainly use the same tools to their advantage. Which is therefore bad. - Ricardo Vidal

Suber chimes in - https://plus.google.com/u... - Graham Steel

I don't consider Elsevier evil. I consider them interested entirely in their own bottom line and very demonstrably willing to make decisions that are not in the best interest of science to defend and promote it. I don't want to help them do that with papers, my review hours, or my click data. - Heather Piwowar

as somebody said recently in a different context, if you're using their products when you have a choice, then you are funding their work. Unfortunately, academic libraries don't have much choice when it comes to subscribing to the journals, but we do have a choice of citation management platforms - DJF from Android

So we've talked about the enforcement angle and they understand this would be a really dumb thing to try to do. They want us more as a application platform since the whole Sciverse Apps thing didn't go all that well. - Mr. Gunn

Thanks for the feedback Heather. I see your point and can only hope that we can keep doing our good work and proving Mendeley a valuable tool and resource for researchers. - Ricardo Vidal

We've so far been successful with the approach that Open Access papers are read more, but if all the OA advocates leave Mendeley, then it's going to be hard to keep making that case. Having a strong OA community *within* Mendeley is really important and I hope people will stick around to show them that. - Mr. Gunn

soooo... instead we should implicitly say "Elsevier sucks except when they own something we like?" That's a stance I personally am kinda uncomfortable with. Like PSuber, tho, have never been a Mendeley user, so easy for me to say -- I'll just chug right along with Zotero the way I've been doing. - RepoRat

it doesn't matter whether the OA advocates are on Mendeley or not. People will still be reading their papers a lot. That's the point of OA. - DJF from Android

yes, but having good quality data accepted by even the most conservative groups showing the OA advantage certainly helps, and that's what Mendeley can provide - Mr. Gunn

Mendeley can definitely provide that, but again, it doesn't require that the OA advocates use it to achieve that. - DJF from Android

well, there will be less data on OA papers, less people doing interesting OA-related things with the data, etc. That's why I think people should stay. Just picking up your toys and going home is the easy way out. - Mr. Gunn

Sure, if we were children, and if this were a game. However, "if you're using their products when you have a choice, then you are funding their work" - Meg V. Meg

And if I trusted Elsevier with the kind of data I would put into Mendeley. Here's the thing: I DON'T. That's not entirely Elsevier's fault (MIT and JSTOR and Attributor and Facebook own some of the blame, among others)... but I don't think Elsevier has exactly covered itself with glory, either, and it's *crystal* clear which financial side of the bread is buttered. Do I trust Elsevier to resist temptation for the sake of ethics? THEY HIRED ERIC DEZENHALL FFS. No. I don't. - RepoRat

So I'm glad that Mr. Gunn and Ricardo Vidal think Elsevier will do right by all this, and I think *they* believe that; I don't believe they're trying to blow smoke up FF's collective arse. I just... don't believe that will remain the case. Temptation much too great. Elsevier won't fsck up tomorrow, or the day after... but they'll fsck up. Guarandamnteed. - RepoRat

Elsevier is a big big place. I wish I could quote to you from the email I just got from some people within Elsevier promising their support in helping us make a business case for openness - saying they're our allies, but acknowledging that a huge organization like this isn't all going to be aligned internally. - Mr. Gunn

I got some great email about a global text mining plan too. Many people there really believed it. There was a time and a place and a scheduled tweetup. Plug got pulled. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

no organization is immune from having plans canceled - Mr. Gunn

I agree. Though it wasn't a passive "plans were cancelled". Someone at Else cancelled the plans because they were too liberal/edgy/threatening even though had all sign offs till the day before. I just share that story to say we all know great email doesn't always work out. - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

Fair enough. Just pointed it out to show some nuance beyond the "everyone at Elsevier is evil and eats puppies" narrative extant. I have a feeling the task is even bigger than I realize, but that can't stop me from trying, and that really shouldn't stop you from supporting me, either. - Mr. Gunn

I'll try really hard not to take the quote "everyone at Elsevier is evil and eats puppies" out of context when I cite it in my next paper. :-) - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I haven't seen that narrative on this thread. I'm trying hard to figure out a good way to support you that is consistent with what I believe, because I want to support you William Gunn :) - Heather Piwowar from iPhone

I support you, man. I just think they're gonna fuck you over, and it makes me sad. I do not want them to do that. - RepoRat

I do recognize the possibility, but I have to give it a shot. - Mr. Gunn

Salon commented here: Elsevier: All your data belongs to us http://www.salon.com/2013... via @Salon - WarLord

"some people within Elsevier promising their support in helping us make a business case for openness" Yes, and I'm sure all the hundreds of trillions of bacteria living in/on Hannibal Lecter and all his trillions non-neuronal cells were all nice and friendly - if only it wasn't for the measly 70-90b of neurons in his skull... Quite likely, the large majority of people working at... more... - Björn Brembs

I honor your efforts, Mr. Gunn. They remind me no little of my own vis-a-vis the libraries I've worked in. - RepoRat

This post captures Heather's sentiment, I think: http://www.salon.com/2013... - Björn Brembs

Maybe I will try my hand at a timeline of blog posts kinda like what John D does. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger... - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

http://svpow.com/2013... - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Mendeley may want to look at the fate of BioMedNet, sold to Elsevier by the Current Science Group in 1998 and shelved in 2004: http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreade...; http://www.sarahgreene.net/past-pr... - Matt Hodgkinson

Wow, I haven't been back here in ages. Been trying to sort out my own thoughts on this...and I don't think I have a clear answer. I have a Mendeley account, I use it for a bunch of things including feeding the bibliography on my blog, and I haven't deleted it yet. Matt's point is the one that troubles me, Elsevier do have a history of running things into the ground. On the other hand it... more... - Cameron Neylon

...but there is another side to this which is that I know some of those cancelled projects of which Heather speaks and they had lots of those good people in them. So I worry about the inverse problem. What will happen to those people who have been on the inside working for change (and being shafted from time to time) now that there is a new shiny Open thing, both as the beacon everyone... more... - Cameron Neylon

Like Cameron, I haven't made my mind up yet. Personally, I don't intend to delete my Mendeley account at present. - Graham Steel

"It was the destruction of BioMedNet that meant Vitek could hire a bunch of people to create BMC." So I should be grateful to Elsevier for my career :) - Matt Hodgkinson

I also remember when Elsevier bought the Beilstein database, and they have since greatly marked up access to that data. 1998 and 2007 were key years of that. http://www.elsevier.com/about... This is kinda similar. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

fwiw, i posted on it here: http://scientopia.org/blogs... I'm pretty pragmatic when it comes to this sort of thing. It's not my primary reference manager (RefWorks is, sigh), but I intend to keep my account. - Christina Pikas

I also intend to keep my account, so that I can keep on putting stuff into the OA Irony Award group. A good bit of it from Elsevier. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

(Slightly offtopic: here in this conversation we see what we lost when FF took a nosedive. This thread is better than all the scattered tweets and news links put together. I'm thinking it's time to re-invest in FF, since the sky hasn't actually fallen (I was a Chicken Little myself)...) - Bill Hooker

Good call. I'm in. - Graham Steel

Something slightly ironic about returning because its back to a smaller group of people though... - Cameron Neylon

"Hate" to say it - but other than monitoring Refs Wanted Room, FF is a dead donkey for me and has been for quite a while. Other than Libranians, it's a ghost town to what it was in the past.Twitter & Google+ for moi. - Graham Steel

Have to admit I saw a link to Heather's post and thought "oh yes, Friendfeed, I remember when I went there..."But it is still here and functioning clearly which is interesting in itself. There must be some measure of maintenance and upkeep going on behind the scenes. - Cameron Neylon

y'all should come back. Nothing else is as good. - Heather Piwowar

Yeah, it's still pretty awesome and unlike anything out there. - Ricardo Vidal

It remains the best. Reminds me of my empeg :-) http://www.empeg.com/ - Björn Brembs

Cameron, it's good to read your thoughts here. It's a good point also about BMC, which is itself now a part of Springer. I hope FF is still here 4 years from now when open access is the default and everyone realizes this ;-) - Mr. Gunn

I've just blogged about Elsevier's emerging workflows here. http://www.darkrepository.net/blog... Scopus a big winner IMO. - Garret McMahon

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Eric Kansa NAILS #OA's commercial issue: "#OpenData and #OpenAccess are not anti-commercial; they are anti-monopoly." http://t.co/ls2xj82e Tags: OA OpenData OpenAccess - Cameron Neylon

Science 2.0: genereg

Why people do not comment online articles? What is wrong with the online commenting system? I think this is one of the central issues in Science 2.0. Here is the test case, which is very demonstrative: http://friendfeed.com/the-lif...

May 24, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

Noah Gray, Jordan M, NextBio and 29 other people liked this

Definitely a blog post in this but I would say the answer is simple - the commentary feeds off itself, you need a community in place for that to happen and there isn't any such community at the PLoS ONE site. The existing community provides people (obviously) but also context and a space which isn't empty. Comes back to the issue of modularity of contributions as well. But bottom line, the people are here (and probably elsewhere in coffee rooms etc) so the conversation happens here. - Cameron Neylon

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Exactly. The conversation will happen where the people are. It's up to the publishers to figure out how to harness those conversations. Given the API, and the activity here on FF, would be cool to pull those discussions into the article itself. - Deepak Singh

If you study carefully the test case above, you will see that there are two characteristic features 1) It is easier to start a discussion where the people are (but for that it is enough just to send a link here, and discuss there), and 2) people obviously do not want to disclose their real names under critical comments. This suggests to me that the current PLoS commenting system is wrong in forcing people to register before the post, and not allowing anonymous comments. - genereg

I think its been established pretty strongly now through things like OpenWetWare and other sites that completely anonymous commenting is probably not helpful or desirable in science. Those sites that strongly encourage or require the use of "real names" see little or no vandalism, and it could be argued, a more constructive approach to discussion. I admit to being conflicted about the... more... - Cameron Neylon

But the people here at FF, they _are_ very online persons. They know all details on how to comment and so on. Still, they choose not to comment under their real names, and are very upset when their critical comments appear to be linked to a wider online audience. Afterall, scientific reviews have _always_ been anonymous, and there is no reason why online reviews should not be anonymous... more... - genereg

How do you reach that assumption? I know the real names of pretty much all of them, and most of us have "handles" that are associated with names. Online anonymity is becoming a strict no-no pretty fast. - Deepak Singh

That is why FF is NOT anonymous. But people who feel safe here (perhaps because it is not that easy to search, an so on) do not feel safe to expose their names on the _publicly_ available web site, where their comments will be associated with the article forewer - genereg

"people obviously do not want to disclose their real names under critical comments" What's your evidence for this? Me? I am fine with making critical comments under my own name -- it's not as though I thought the FF thread was magically invisible to everyone but my BFFs. I'd prefer to word things a bit differently in direct comment to an author (specifically, I'd explain why the lack of... more... - Bill Hooker

I am still a little confused by how you can reach that conclusion on anonymous commenting. There seems to be no real evidence or suggestion for that. Yes there are people afraid of online commenting in general, but that's a general problem. Those people don't show up on Friendfeed either - Deepak Singh

The test case above was at the FF. The people there are both _online_ people, and experts, and interested in commenting on that particular article. But they are still afraid to comment on public. - genereg

@Bill, read the last comments in that thead by Ian York - genereg

Ah, missed Ian's last couple of comments -- genereg, I think you're reaching if you are putting Ian's part in that thread forward as evidence for your claims about anonymity, too. I'm all for anonymity being available to those who want/need it, but I don't think it's any kind of answer to why article commenting hasn't taken off. - Bill Hooker

Genereg, I think you are misintepreting Ian's comment (although I'm not sure and I have asked him on that thread). I think he is making a point about asking permission before re-publishing but he makes it very clear that there is nothing "wrong" with re-publishing just that doing it to (perhaps) make a point is a bit impolite. - Cameron Neylon

In addition, I personally, would not comment that article at PLoS One under my real name. One of the reasons would be that I don't want my name to be associated with THAT article. - genereg

In addition, I do know a number of articles which I would like to comment (and I am quite an _online_ person to figure out how to do this) but I don't comment just for the reason that it requires a registration - genereg

I'd guess the difference is to a large extent due to the way PLoS One and FF are set up. PLoS One allows comments, FF is set up for commenting. FF has more comments, but they're also more ephemeral. Comments that are going to sit on my paper should be well thought of and not pesky one-liners. As such, maybe linking from the biophotonics paper to FF was a mistake. OTOH, I'd want all 'activity' somehow linked to my paper, but in a different way. - Björn Brembs

"The test case above was at the FF. The people there are both _online_ people, and experts, and interested in commenting on that particular article. But they are still afraid to comment on public." ... I am not sure how that last conclusion was made. Pretty much all of us (there will always be exceptions) are more than happy to be public with disagreements regardless of forum. It's just that much more convenient to discuss here - Deepak Singh

@Deepak, Pretty much all of us would be happy to be on public with positive or neutral comments, but honest comments on the artticles are in most cases critical... That is why the standard way the peer-review goes is through anonymous systems. - genereg

Key is --- little comments on PLOS, but many here on FF ... because the (trusted) people (in your network) are here, so the conversation happens here. --- How to move this? Backlinking FF on PLOS should be technically possible? Which FF tracks are discussing this article? A little bit like natures, which blogs are discussing this article. - joergkurtwegner

genereg, that's a very narrow point of view and does not reflect my experience. We are providing public peer review, if you want to call it that. As scientists we are quite happy providing "critical" reviews at conferences and posters, it's not like that people are necessarily averse - Deepak Singh

I think jkw has pin-pointed the most interesting question (also mentioned by Bjoern and several others): how can PLoS pull in value from conversations happening elsewhere? I think it would be a great idea if every PLoS article had a "conversations" tab as well as a "comments" tab, and under "conversations" provided links to, or inline versions of, all the commentary online in blogs, FriendFeed, etc etc. A one-stop shop for "who is talking about this article?". - Bill Hooker

There is a point in this that echoes what Eric Weinstein says about "going short" or long on an idea. The concept that peer review fails precisely because there is no personal consequences for rejecting a paper and getting that wrong. Eric uses the language of hedge funds to suggest that people should be required to "unwind their positions" - which absolutely requires identity and... more... - Cameron Neylon

I think PLoS is interested in pulling this commentary in to the article space. It would be a great way of connecting up commentary. I think it is technically non-trivial but it also raises the issue of how you might summarise or aggregate the commentary in a machine readable and parseable form. Sure it is helpful seeing a lot of people saying something is great or rubbish, but how do you present that in a way that makes it possibel to triage 50 papers to find the one you're after? - Cameron Neylon

If you want (noisy) links, just use Google with link:to_article, e.g. http://www.google.be/search... . This does not give quality backlinks, and also not any real-time information like FF. So, some additional comment semantics (microblog, blog?), grouping (Wordle?), or central service is required (FF,Twitter). - joergkurtwegner

All our talks about some kind of federated comment system in the past year or so have ended up with "we need a researcherID to incentivize people". That's the opposite of anonymity. Would G Bilder care to comment on how things are going on that front? - Mr. Gunn

You guys don't believe me, but here it is -- a simple solution to the question why people do not comment online articles. Allow anonymous comments (no IP tracking, no registration requirements) and you will get at least 1 comment per 100 views of each article. That is a lot, and enough to get the system working. I am telling this both as an active scientist and as a person with ~10 year experience of online administration and moderation. It is very easy to check this idea. - genereg

I think there's different kinds of comments - some throwaway comments, some are metacommentary, some are spam, and some are thoughtful and considered reviews. The PLoS appspot comment categorization experiment that was done a while back showed this.http://scintilla.nature.com/node... - Mr. Gunn

PLoS has a hard enough time staying afloat. Aggregating comments like is suggested here would be a full time job for someone over at PLoS. Yes, there are software solutions, but most of them require human editting or verification. FWIW, guest commenting is a must for starting any on-line community. Having to register is a gigantic barrier to building a critical mass of users. Get the guest comments and conversations going first and once the community gels, people will WANT to register. - Brian Krueger - LabSpaces

Nature Network is probably the example they have in mind here, Brian. Am I correct that it takes more time to moderate the craziness in open discussion than it does to assemble aggregated content? - Mr. Gunn

It is clear that in the majority of cases conversations dont natually happen at the journal site itself. Therefore, PLoS would ideally like to aggregate all the externally located conversations that happen *about* a paper, *onto* the paper. In this way, a reader would use the paper as the launching off point - they read it, and then follow links from it to read the relevant conversations. If the 3rd parties allow it, then the text of those conversations could also be imported to the journal site. - Peter Binfield

The only problem is how to reliably link the paper to an external conversation that could have happened anywhere, without any consistent linking protocol, and at any time from the day of publication onwards. They dont all happen on FF I am afraid (some of the Darwinius discussions appeared on Wargaming bulletin boards!). This is a problem that we have some ideas about, and that we are working on... - Peter Binfield

You still don't believe that just removing the mandatory registration is enough to get the comments system working at the journal web site.... Well here is one more argument: look at the web site of BMJ, and compare how much more frequent is commenting there in comparison with PLoS. The ONLY difference is that BMJ does not require mandatory registration for posting comments:... more... - genereg

@genereg: how many man-hours and dollars does BMJ spend on moderation of their comment system? See: Revitalising rapid responses Davies and Delamothe BMJ.2005; 330: 1284 - Bill Hooker

compare: http://blogs.nature.com/wp... to http://blogs.nature.com/wp... that is, compare 2% to 18% (of papers commented on in BMC vs. PLoS ONE). - Bora Zivkovic

BMJ is the British Medical Journal, not to be confused with BMC. BMC is the same as PLoS from the point of view that you need to register in order to comment. - genereg

sorry, not meant to imply they are the same, just to point out that commenting on ONE is not shabby and the only available comparison is that to BMC. - Bora Zivkovic

Note also that you don't have to register for BMJ but you do have to send your comment by email, providing an email address and name, current occupation and place of work (including postcode). Perhaps you could try making up fake info and see if it gets published, but I'd say simply registering once under a carefully guarded netonym would be easier and safer. - Bill Hooker

@Bill, I was just able to sumit a post to BMJ with the word test in all fields, and it takes ~30 sec. It's not by email. Their submission form is the simplest form that one can imagine, you can fill whatever, and finally there is a simple antispam filter, that's it. No registration, no email validation. - genereg

Where'd you comment? I bet it won't be published. - Bill Hooker

I did not press the "submit" button, so it would not publish. It takes 30 sec to do everything before pressing the final submit button. As I said, then it depends on the moderation policy, whether the journal has a premoderation or postmoderation, I don't know what they have, both options are OK. - genereg

As far as I can tell it's pre-mod, and I don't think Dr Ano Nymus, email no@thanks.com, is going to appear in the BMJ rapid responses any time soon. I'd love to know if they require email validation. To be clear though: I'm in no way against anonymous commenting, even if it does have its problems. BMJ had to tighten its moderation policy considerably, but only after about the 50, 000th... more... - Bill Hooker

"and get the community growing" -- the obvious thing is that the "community" which might be willing to comment on the online articles is the Whole Scientific Community. Most people today get articles from the web, not from the local libraries, so it is not a problem for them to comment online if there are no artificial barriers such as a mandatory registration. Something like 1 comment... more... - genereg

Genereg - I think I agree with you on one point, which is that signon for all these things could be a lot easier. Setting up yet another account is a pain and we need better systems for that. But my belief is, and I think this is backed up by a growing amount of experience, that anonymity in particular destroys trust in conversations and leads to a very poor quality of discussion. In... more... - Cameron Neylon

Cameron, suppose, the comment under the article says "you guys have to reshuffle the axes on Figure 2. He-he :)". You look at the article and realize that indeed the axis X refers to Y and axis Y refers to X, so they should be reshuffled. And you might not notice that without the anonymous comment under the article. Does it make any difference for you, who has made that comment? - genereg

It might make a difference to how much attention I paid in the first place - but my argument is that those helpful comments would be totally outweighed by comments like "man, your colour choices are so bad, which idiot did you get to make that graph?" - or the cost of moderating those out would rise to unsustainable levels. First law of comment forums - you can have anonymous commenting... more... - Cameron Neylon

I think that comments like "man, your colour choices are so bad, which idiot did you get to make that graph?" would be absolutely OK if rephrased "I think the color choice is wrong". The moderation policy may depend on the journal, but in general, both the Netiquette and Scientific Ethics are well-developed things, they can be written down explicitly as the rules for the moderators, and... more... - genereg

I'm guessing we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The nice thing being of course that as we are scientists we can hopefully agree once there is some evidence in! :-) I definitely would agree with the argument that we need more experimentation in this space - Cameron Neylon

"First law of comment forums - you can have anonymous commenting or unmoderated commenting, you can't have both" -- In fact, I have seen many online communities, where both anonymous commenting, registered commenting and different types of moderation perfectly coexist. - genereg

definitely some scientists really afraid give a critical comments online, just because of academia and grants system (in US at least) is fucked up (in case if author of paper that you critically commented on will be you peer-reviewer in future...)! For me also could be a problem, because i'm a postdoc and my blog reading some professors(on whose papers i can comment) who going to review my papers and grants in the future. - Alexey

I express some of my thoughts here - http://hematopoiesis.info/2008... - Alexey

I disagree that commenting for scientific analytical blogs should be anonymous, because blog content should be updatable and readers should trust information that they see. In this case it's important to link to the comment associated with particular name in the field to estimate how much we can trust this information. - Alexey

Alexey, I agree on blogs, but blogs is a different story, blogs are mostly for self-promotion and self-expression, while comments on scientific articles are mainly to fix scientific problems. The motivation to fix a scientific mistake is usually strong enough to do this even anonymously. - genereg

If there were an easy solution to this, it would have been solved already. Many, many very smart people have tried to fix this already. I think, like Cameron says, we're more or less waiting for the transition to where online comments matter. To where they're taken seriously, to where they have an effect on the overall profile of your research. To where the argument can be made that... more... - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn, I understand your point about the importance of self-promotion and career track, but I think that commenting online articles has nothing to do with this. - genereg

So you think your blog and your online presence have nothing to do with your career? Why post your CV on your blog, then? Nobody that matters will see it, right? - Mr. Gunn

I don't understand completely why scientists afraid to comment papers online under their real names. I do comment on PLoS and Nature under my real name even i have a some risks as a postdoc. It's everything about your scientific authority. I want professionals in the field to know me. - Alexey

Mr. Gunn, Blog as I said is a self-expression, and self-promotion, but comments at online journals are not. PS. Please read my message concerning your blog post! - genereg

I'll do that, but you probably want to go back through your comments here http://friendfeed.com/genereg... and remove all the ones where you linked to your own blog. - Mr. Gunn

Alexey, are you sure you can say everything you want there under your name? As you said, you consider some risks for you as a postdoc. Now, assume that your risks as a postdoc are minor in comparison with the risks of a senior scientist, where there are million-dollar grants on stock. - genereg

@genereg , @Cameron - I am not interested in anonymous comments. I am an industry person working in drug development, which is probably one of the most intellectual property sensitive industries. So, anonymous comments? Not for me, even not in my private time ! If you want comments from people in industry, then we seriously need a review mechanism, not only by the blog owner, but a... more... - joergkurtwegner

We have just witnessed a next round of the test case, with my own name not associated with my FF account being found in the internet and posted in a blog article discussing this thread http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009... . Not a big deal. However, this opens up a new large series of questions... more... - genereg

genereg, perhaps the misunderstanding lies in the fact that you thought you were anonymous but you really never were. I didn't go searching the internet for your name - you linked directly to your blog from here. There are ways of being anonymous on the internet if that's what you really want. What your doing seems to me the equivalent to leaving your house open and unlocked, telling... more... - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn, I am never hiding my identity, but it is also not directly associated with my profile. This means that I am safe in terms of the search engines, and my real name is associated only with things with which I want it to be associated. That is also true, if you are commenting a strange (wrong) journal article: even if you are right and they are wrong, your name will be forefer associated with that wrong article. - genereg

Unless you got out of your way to make it so, anonymity does not exist, so we should probably just get over it and worry more about being presentable. I'll offer myself up as an example - Search for either William Gunn or Mr. Gunn and try to find something embarrassing about me. Go ahead, I'll wait. - Mr. Gunn

LOL I am too old for these games. And I know Internet. And Science. The real anonymity is impossible even with anonymous peer-review. But there are a lot of reasons to have _some degree_ of anonymity in science and in the internet. It just works like this. It can't work without this. - genereg

genereg, on that last issue I have to disagree. If we want to use the web in general to discuss science, it's very difficult to separate the two. Google is not going to index you separately as a scientist and as a web participant. Well, it might, but managing that level of identity is hard, and one could argue that the two shouldn't be completely separated, just the communities might... more... - Deepak Singh

Deepak, I understand the point. However, here are additnial 5 cents, why anonymous commenting might help. At some point, there was an evaluation of BMC comments, and it revealed, if I am not wrong, only 17% critical comments. while in an anonymous peer-review most of the comments are critical. Thus, even if we forget about the decreased number of online comments due to the registration... more... - genereg

genereg, if this statistics is correct, that show to me how immature the scientists and science online. They afraid to disclose their name and status because of money-grants-career and poke each other by critical anonymous commenting like a kids in the sand box. Be open, be confident in your data and expertise scientists, be able to accept critical comments and reply nicely and be able... more... - Alexey

You are assuming that comments must be critical to be useful. Useful comments can include questions, concerns, and criticisms, and even the latter can be framed properly. I have said this before, and I will reiterate that there is one primary reason for anonymity; that you're afraid of making a fool of yourself in public. I admit that this fear might be related to concerns about your... more... - Deepak Singh

genereg, yea I can tell not everything from my blog, but a lot. I criticize a lot, but if i'm wrong, come and tell me about it. I'll accept and we will find the truth in discussion. I can't tell many things that I don't feel like i have enough expertise and knowledge but I can ask my readers about their opinion based on their expertise. - Alexey

Alexey, this means that you criticize the things which are safe to criticize :) - genereg

Deepak, assume that you are at a journal club in some friendly lab. Now, how many of the questions from there would you dare to ask at the comment section of the online journal? :) - genereg

How many journal club questions would I "dare" ask in a journal comments section? All of them. genereg, are you familiar with http://researchblogging.org - Mr. Gunn

All of them?! good! If this is the case we will soon get the system working :) I did not get your point about http://researchblogging.org - genereg

genereg, all of them. If there is something to say, it will be said, regardless of forum. The language might change, but the questions and comments won't - Deepak Singh

good. unfortunately other people do not behave like this. we have seen it in the example with Biophotonics paper. Many people wanted to say that it is wrong, but none said this at the journal web site.. - genereg

Let me ask this question. If this was presented at a conference, do you think people in the audience would be quiet? - Deepak Singh

not, sure. the question still, is why they don't comment. - genereg

Could it be as simple as they are not that comfortable on the web? They don't comment on Friendfeed either (the ones who do are active everywhere). - Deepak Singh

nope, i discussed this with a couple of active bloggers. they are not at FF, they are active bloggers, and they have seen the article at the journal we site. we discussed it online, that's it - genereg

Do they blog anonymously? and if not, would they blog about this? Sorry if that's been discussed before - Deepak Singh

nope. what's the reason to blog anonymously. it was discussed before. blog is to express and advertise yourself, peer-review is something absolutely different - genereg

I just don't get it. An opinion is an opinion, regardless of medium. To think that the medium somehow makes that opinion different and you are not willing to stand behind your opinion just does not compute in my head, but that's me - Deepak Singh

Just try to think why the anonymous peer-review was invented. - genereg

The primary reason for anonymous peer-review is the elimination of bias. If the reason for anonymous peer-review was to be able to criticize anonymously, then the system would be even more flawed than it is today (and it is flawed). - Deepak Singh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - genereg

"Several of the other journals published by the BMJ group[10] allow optional open peer review,[11][12][13] as do PLoS Medicine, published by the Public Library of Science[14][15]. The BMJ's Rapid Responses[16] allow ongoing debate and criticism following publication.[17" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - genereg

These journal comments that we discuss should have been that "open peer-review" - genereg

Open = No anonymity, otherwise it's not open, and like Neil said, comments and an "open peer review" process are different beasts - Deepak Singh

right. but if it does not work this way, we can try to figure out another way - genereg

That I won't disagree with, but anonymous commenting is not the right way - Deepak Singh

it depends, what is more important for you, the ideas or the people who say them. for me, the ideas - genereg

Both, anonymity, IMO is ripe for abuse. - Deepak Singh

well, as I said, just removing the mandatory registration does not mean a complete anonymity. plus the moderation.... - genereg

Agree that scientific identity is an area with a lot of potential for innovation. The way I see it, we aren't that far apart in intent. - Deepak Singh

Haha, this is what I get for waiting a day to come back to the feed!! @Mr.Gunn for sure moderation is a time consuming job, although I think that aside from blocking spam (and this is relatively easy) that the vast majority of posts will be on topic. Things might get ugly, but implementing a community self moderation system usually works really well ex: add a "Flag this comment" button,... more... - Brian Krueger - LabSpaces

Here is what I think. Never underestimate the number of possible compliance regulations people can violate. There are many of them, and the number is just growing. - http://ff.im/3haYq - joergkurtwegner

Interesting how the discussion around the original article quickly drifted away from the scientific content and toward a meta-discussion, which was continued here. Could there be something more fundamental at work here? Also, anyone got any hard data on just how unused the PLoS commenting system is? For example, "the average number of comments on a PLoS article is 0.55 - here's how we calculated it." An analysis of that sort could offer new insights. - Rich Apodaca

Rich - There are plenty of examples of deep online discussion of scientific papers that stays on-topic, and doesn't drift off-topic. But so far as I can see, it's mostly happening on blogs. See, e.g., the n-category cafe ( http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/categor... ). - Michael Nielsen

Rich: there's this (http://blogs.nature.com/wp...) and a couple other workups of the same data. - Bill Hooker

wow, direct critique only 7%. Again as with BMC there is a shift towards positive and neutral comments, probably due to non-anonymity, as opposed to the typical comments obtained during anonymous peer review - genereg

I would be curious to see the age groups for any comment percentage numbers - joergkurtwegner

Another reason may simply be technical: PLoS ONE uses a kind of pop-up window (duuno the tech term for these) that blocks the whole browser. If I am to write thoughtful comments, I usually check some sources relevant to the statements I make, so I do not find this implementation particularly user-friendly. Just now, my browser (Firefox 3) froze after I had pressed "submit" in this window, and I had to redo the rating (fortunately, I had drafted the text in a separate text editor). - Daniel Mietchen

I think there should be a shift towards neutral and positive comment between the peer review process and after a paper has been accepted. If there's no shift, the peer review process isn't doing its job. - Scott Joseph Kennedy

That is true. But in general it seems that in Internet most serious comments to serious articles tend to be critical, because neutral comments do not add anything (so they are close to spam unless they provide some additional usefull information), and writing positive comments is not self-motivating (you spend your valuable time just to say that you agree with something). - genereg

I'm thinking Jorge Cham from PhD comics must have seen this thread. http://bit.ly/9oBAM - Mr. Gunn

LOL, that's exactly what the "neutral" comments are. This spam can only happen in the absence of moderation. - genereg

Related thread at StackOverFlow: Why aren’t people rating questions? http://stackoverflow.com/questio... - Daniel Mietchen

January 11, 2013. Today I have read with great interest a recent article in the Guardian, which also proposed anonymous post-publication peer-review (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science...), and have one essential comment to it. The idea of the anonymous post-publication peer-review was firstly introduced here, at FriendFeed in 2009 (see the... more... - genereg

January 26, 2013. Today I noticed a great new web site pubpeer.com which has implemented the ideas that I have proposed above. Ok, three years later it is still not too late :) It would be nice if the authors contact me, because their web site still lacks a couple of essential components that would be needed - genereg

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"Elsevier In Advanced Talks To Buy Mendeley For Around $100M To Beef Up In Social, Open Education Data" http://techcrunch.com/2013...

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I am skeptical this has anything to do with openness. - kaijsa

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Oh, I'm sure it has *something* to do with openness. Maybe just not the connection we'd prefer. - Walt Crawford

as in "closing the openness" - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

Or, rather, "striving for maximum openness consistent with sustainable models as we define sustainability." Which is an Elsevierish version of what Stephanie said. - Walt Crawford

Wow - Christina Pikas from iPhone

I went Whoa, instead of Wow. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Huh. Whoa indeed. - lris

I can't picture William Gunn working for Elsevier. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

But can you picture the Mendeley team taking the money? They don't have to work for Elsevier, just negotiate an acceptable non-compete and $amt - awd

I would guess he can't comment here while negotiations are underway. - RepoRat

But now that I think about it, it'd be kind of awesome if he jumped to PeerJ. - RepoRat

Next two comments copied from another thread: - John Dupuis

I'm not surprised Mendeley cashed out. They were startup funded, I believe, so this is a typical way for the investors to get their money back. And I think Mendeley definitely gets integrated into the whole SciVerse product suite making it a tool that pulls people to the Elsevier content while also giving the Big E amazing analytics about just about everything. - John Dupuis

Is there a way that Mendeley could restrict any internal sharing only where it doesn't violate any kinds of licenses? Presumably most publishers are already pretty ok with the way they operate or as they've gotten bigger we would have heard about it - John Dupuis

I don't see how. What licenses *aren't* under NDA? - RepoRat

There's a slightly snarky answer to that: Those with public institutions in states with sunshine laws where someone wants the license badly enough to take it to court. - Walt Crawford

looks like they want the apps and platform and the collaboration interface, and maybe not the bibliographic/social info, based on the article. Interesting. - Elizabeth Brown

Mendeley is quite elegant and I always mean to use it more, but it just makes sense for me to use Refworks cuz we have all the Proquests and it works in our OPAC, etc. I mean no disrespect to Mendeley but I do question Elsevier's motives even as I think about how nice it would be to integrate into their admittedly already nice stuff. - kaijsa

And I'm pretty sceptical of Mendeley's core value surviving an Elsevier takeover to be honest. - Cameron Neylon

Three words. Zotero. Open Source. - Kathryn is Blake in Hindi

So, does this mean that all the "cost of information" signers need to migrate? - DJF

How ironic. I have a large group on Mendeley, "Open Access and Libraries". - Rebecca Hedreen

LSW: Walt Crawford

Hivemind question for those involved with OA: I've added an editorial close to the second part of my Huge OA Roundup, "Of Progress, Snipers and Inquisitors." I distinguish between flat-out opponents of OA (e.g. SK) and snipers and Inquisitors, decidedly capital-I [Presumed supporters of OA who need to Purify OA to be The True OA] The question:

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Right now, I name some names of Inquisitors of various stripes (one of whom may actually be an opponent-in-disguise). Should I name names or keep the discussion general? - Walt Crawford

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If you name names, provide evidence with direct quotes to explain why you think they are what they are. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

I'm with RJR. You might also want to label them something like Too True Believers or No Compromisers to show that they aren't outright opponents. I'm also curious as to who ends up in that category? I have some thoughts.... - John Dupuis

While I could do that, it would be tricky: Inquisitors emerge through patterns, not individual statements. So I'd need to quote dozens of statements. - Walt Crawford

Ahhh, I see the prob. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Two of the three Inquisitors I'm thinking of are most definitely OA supporters--but only The True Form of OA. The third--well, damned if I know whether he's a supporter or an opponent. - Walt Crawford

It's a hard thing to do. I'm not sure there's any way to do it that won't court blowback. If you're willing to put up with that... you'll actually be codifying some knowledge that a lot of us have, but remains unspoken because we fear the ensuing hassle. It's your call whether that's worth it to you. - RepoRat

Come to think of it, I actually include five examples--and the fifth one is me, showing how easy it is to become Inquisitorial (in my case: I tend to think "delayed OA" isn't really OA). - Walt Crawford

Would you be willing to do yourself as a named example and then describing the other types anonymously? - Hedgehog

That may be what I wind up doing. (RR: My comment overlapped yours. I think you may be right, and my best bet may be to name the symptoms and avoid the named examples.) Thanks all; keep comments coming if you wish. (Off to lunch; no rush on making changes, since the issue won't come out before 1/22.) - Walt Crawford

Can you frame the Inquisitor role in such a way that the person in question would think it positive? Or is the whole point to make clear the damage that it causes? (and if I'm one then feel free to name me!) - Cameron Neylon

I think about J Smooth and "How to Tell People They Sound Racist": perhaps "inquisition" is not what people are but what they do. - Steele Lawman

Cameron: No, you're not one (AFAICT)--and the point is to make clear that it can be damaging (but is no longer likely to wholly derail OA, just as snipers and the truly absurd cases like SK won't derail OA). Steele: I have to think about that. But more and more leaning to non-naming (except that asshat Walt Crawford). - Walt Crawford

Naming or non-naming, what I was trying to say was that it might be more useful to point out that some rhetorical moves are inquisitional rather than some human beings fit into the category of "inquisitor" - Steele Lawman

Ah, OK; I get that. [Of the five I probably won't name, I think one is an Inquisitor by nature, three are capable of Inquisitions but aren't necessarily that by nature...and one, I just can't tell, but I think may be mostly a self-promoter who's found a cause.] Probably a good editorial tactic. - Walt Crawford

I am someone who is trying to really understand the complexities of OA and why the community seems divided, so such a piece could be really interesting to me on why the community seems divided would be great. So far, I get Peter Suber is the leading guru that gets respect even from opponents who disagree, Harnad just supports green and Walt comments on everyone :). But really I should... more... - aarontay

Maybe you could make use of a persona system. Neo the One. Screech the Skeptic ("Saved by the Bell" guy). Willy the Wishy-Washy guy. Annie the Angry. Connie the Compromiser. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Aaron: Actually, I think you have it in one. Joe: Not for a three-paragraph addendum to a 60,000-word roundup (twice the length of my OA book...). Otherwise, not a bad idea. I do think I know how I can handle this to be informative without Naming Names other than my own. - Walt Crawford

Also: I'm not sure "the community" really is divided, partly because I don't think there is one community. I'd guess that most people involved are working toward building OA and staying out of other OA-builders' ways. That probably includes 90%+ of those I cite in the roundup. - Walt Crawford

Just to close this: I've rewritten the paragraphs involved, and they read better now (with only one Inquisitor named--Walt Crawford). The focus is on the techniques, not the people. Thanks for the advice! - Walt Crawford

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Bogus New OA Publisher Association Attempts to Compete with OASPA http://scholarlyoa.com/2013...

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...wibble... - Cameron Neylon

...piffle... - Graham Steel

Convenient, in a way. All the bad apples in one barrel. ;) - RepoRat

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Is the CCC having an “Instagram” moment? | Scholarly Communications @ Duke - http://blogs.library.duke.edu/scholco...

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These considerations were in my mind when our e-reserves specialist informed this week about “new” licensing terms he had encountered when placing a request for a permission license with the Copyright Clearance Center. A two and a half page set of terms was suddenly appearing with each order confirmation, and they contained a lot of the same troubling assertions that we saw with the proposed, but never implemented, YBP license. Institutions indemnify CCC and agree to defend them against claims arising from any use outside the scope of the license. Institutions agree to the application of New York law and the jurisdiction of New York courts. Most distressing, each institution that uses the CCC agrees that that organization, which has been active in financing the legal case against Georgia State University, has the right to access and audit university records, which is not only a possible violation of our obligations under FERPA, but also seems like giving a potential adversary free - copystar

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ooooooooooh, I had a feeling they were gonna go the "we get to audit" route. libs need to start purging e-reserves usage data YESTERDAY if they have not already done so. - RepoRat

THIS CAN NOT HAPPEN - jambina

Not directly relevant, but I was struck by the oddity of the paragraph in this article about CCC somehow managing OA: http://www.infotoday.com/IT... - Walt Crawford

that *is* weird. utter bafflegab AFAICT. - RepoRat

This was the best advice from their legal department, huh? - Andy

People have been seriously talking about CCC and EBSCO as possible aggregation houses for managing APC payments... - Cameron Neylon

Great because it's not like ebsco ever messed up our subscription payments - Christina Pikas from iPhone

People have been doing that? Really? 'Cuz CCC doesn't do things like sell clearances for things already under CC BY license? And fund extremist copyright suits? Sounds like a great OA partner to me! - Walt Crawford

[In the first case, I speak from personal experience: The only check I've ever gotten from CCC was for Cites & Insights. If it was for a noncommercial use, there should not have been a fee. If for commercial, CCC shouldn't have had the right to sell clearance without my involvement.] - Walt Crawford

There have been other examples of CCC happily charging folks $50 for the right to email a friend an Open Access article. We manually check every article that goes through CCC before we use it for this very reason. - copystar

...just reporting folks. But yeah...terrifying. - Cameron Neylon

yeah, this isn't on you, Cameron. This is us going "seriously?! SERIOUSLY?!" at the CCC. - RepoRat

I get that...hoping that some of your might start going "seriously?! SERIOUSLY?!" at some of the institutional managers floating this :-) - Cameron Neylon

that would be good, yes. - RepoRat

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Will you be at Midwinter? If so, it would be fun to meet up! I'll be there on Saturday for the ACRL/SPARC forum http://alamw13.ala.org/node...

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Maybe drinks Friday night? Or lunch or coffee on Saturday? Or join us with SPARC for drinks on Saturday night? - Heather Piwowar

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yayayayayayay! - jambina

I know! You, and it looks like from another thread that Hedgie will be in town too??? Who else? Will be fun! - Heather Piwowar

Bess Sadler will be there. If you can connect with her, I strongly recommend it. - RepoRat

I'll get to meet you in person! HOORAY! - Hedgehog

oh i lurve Bess - jambina

Ok, Saturday night at a place with liquids is definitely on. hpiwowar@gmail.com if you want to send your deets so we can keep you in the loop with plans? Great suggestion on Bess, I heard her talk once, will cold call her with a "want to join us for liquids" email :) - Heather Piwowar

tell Bess I said she shoud come cuz i owe her drinks! - jambina

I dunno anybody who's met Bess who doesn't owe her drinks. - RepoRat

pretty much. - jambina

Ummm I *might* be as a fill in for someone else...still sorting details... - Cameron Neylon

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Why openness benefits research | Open Citations and Semantic Publishing - http://opencitations.wordpress.com/2013...

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Bayesian Estimation Supersedes the t-test (BEST) - Online - http://www.sumsar.net/best_on...

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Cool web app implementation of the bayesian analysis of samples from two groups http://t.co/bIUpcrYQ #stats Tags: stats - Cameron Neylon

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From Monograph to Multigraph: the Distributed Book | tjm.org - http://tjm.org/2013...

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