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Cameron Neylon
Another tree, a different cat...
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This was actually a cub. There is a picture somewhere in here of a full grown cheetah up in the same tree which just goes to show...cats...trees....high stuff... - Cameron Neylon
Walt Crawford
Two-parter on my massive OA research: 1. To end the coyness, it will appear as an issue of Library Technology Reports (from ALA TechSource) sometime this summer, which means I'll do 15,000-18,000 words of reasonably tight, coherent presentation on the results and what they mean.
2. If there are one or two of you--max. three--who would like to review the rough draft of "Idealism and Opportunism: The State of Open Access Journals," let me know. The draft should be ready late this week or very early next; I'd need comments and suggestions within two weeks of sending the PDF. Reward: I'll send you a signed copy of the LTR issue when it appears. - Walt Crawford
[The Library Loon is not eligible, as it's linked to at least once. But then, the Library Loon isn't on FriendFeed. The BAE, whoever that might be, probably is eligible.] - Walt Crawford
Oh, and if it's not clear: the draft will be fully formatted (in a style resembling LTR) and will be roughly 17,000 to 18,000 words, or about 42-44 pages. One rough-draft chapter left to go; right now it's at 16,600 words, and the final chapter should be brief. - Walt Crawford
I'd love to but timeline doesn't work for me. I'll look forward to seeing final version though! - Hedgehog
Hedgehog: if your library subscribes to LTR, you'll get it automatically; if not, it should be $45 (with the first chapter free online). Dunno *when* this summer it will appear... - Walt Crawford
If its useful for me to to review then I should be able to do on that timeframe. This week tight, next week mostly tight (but with some plane time Friday), week after starting to clear somewhat. - Cameron Neylon
Hi Cameron, I'm mostly looking for library people, but I'd be happy to send you a copy. Hi others: If it takes more than 2-3 hours to read through it and tell me if there's something glaring that I missed/overemphasized/screwed up, I've done it wrong. That's really what I'm looking for; it will go through proper editorial and copyediting passes in any case. - Walt Crawford
I should note that the only journal I mention by name is PLoS ONE, of necessity given a discussion of publication volume. (That is: there are four OA journals I tag as "megajournals," but one of them--PLoS ONE-- has fivetimes as many articles as the other three combined.) - Walt Crawford
Caveat: That's as of the penultimate chapter. The final chapter might have one list of journal names as an example of OA presence in one relatively small field, namely LIS. Or might not. - Walt Crawford
<bump> Anybody else? - Walt Crawford
can't - must dissertate - but I'm sure you'll find someone good! - Christina Pikas
Thanks. No pressure. I rarely even ask (being, you know, an arrogant SOB)--but I'm ahead of schedule this time, so thought it was worth a try. - Walt Crawford
I have a big presentation on the 29th, so as long as I can start after that I should be able to do a review. - John Dupuis
np - I'd love to see a copy in any case! - Cameron Neylon
John, Cameron, I'll email you both PDFs when the draft is complete--either Friday or Monday, most likely. I don't plan to touch it after that until February 9, and even comments by February 16 would be useful. Thanks! (Could you each send me your email address--in email to I can send the PDF?) - Walt Crawford
Walt, I am no open access fiend, or even very smarts about it, but I would like to know more -- and would, therefore, be happy to look at your piece for my own education AND to help you out. If you want library type feedback without OA expertise, I'm your girl. :-) [will gmail that to you too] - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Thanks all! John, Cameron and Stephanie have sent me emails, and I'll send them PDFs. Three seems about right. - Walt Crawford
Megan loves summer
Is anyone familiar with / subscribing to Open Book Publishers, started at Cambridge? They have a library membership scheme through which libraries can support the initiative (and pay for downloadable access, etc.)
I know the founders, they're good folks. Coming from an academic, not library background but have built the operation up from scratch, essentially with no outside support. Its a freemium model (unless a specific book gets additional funding) where ePub/PDF etc are extra but online reading is free (print also attracts a premium over cost but not huge revenue there). If I were writing a... more... - Cameron Neylon
Cool, thanks. - Megan loves summer
John Dupuis
I don't think we have a thread here yet for the Springer/Nature merger. Some info here on what is and isn't included:
The most interesting thing that *isn't* included is Digital Science. If I were Springer that might have been the thing I wanted most, the forward-thinking, innovative group that will (you hope) set you up for the next 10 or 20 years. - John Dupuis
It doesn't look like a let's-us-and-Pearson-fight either, because what I presume to be Macmillan's higher-ed textbook arm remains separate. I thought Springer had a textbook portfolio? I could be wrong. - RepoRat
oh wait, now I'm completely confused. Macmillan Education *is* included, but the US arm of it isn't? Weird. - RepoRat
As for Digital Science, a disruptive-innovation strategist would call leaving them separate the right move; it prevents the Old Skool at both businesses from squelching DS. Springer might well want it, but would Springer be good to it? That's the question, I suspect. - RepoRat
The resulting behemoth will be a curious pushmi-pullyu with respect to open access and library relations. I have no way to even make a stab at predicting the outcomes. My sense is that Springer has a rep among librarians for being pretty chill and reasonable about things, whereas NPG... doesn't. Springer also saw opportunity in BMC, whereas NPG didn't really move until PLoS ONE kind of forced their hand. - RepoRat
DS may have argued not to be included so that they would not be squelched. - Joe
Is the Frontiers In OA journals part of the deal? - Joe
Heck if I can tell. Anybody else? - RepoRat
The merger is Macmillan Science and Education which includes Nature, Palgrave, Scientific American and presumably the investment that Nature has in Frontiers. Springer has a fairly substantial book business, less so in text books tho I think. Macmillan re-organised a while back and the old "US" and "UK" businesses (which weren't anyway) were recombined into vaguely sensible blocks - Cameron Neylon
As I said elsewhere I think including Digital Science would look like a full stack play that would scare Competition Agencies, or certainly give Elsevier grounds to object. - Cameron Neylon
Oddly, of the Big Evil publishers, the place where DS would probably fit best is Elsevier. But I think Springer too is at least somewhat focused on the 10-20 year time frame on how OA, etc, could end up changing things in a big way. - John Dupuis
Heck, my sense is Springer got there a LOT faster than Elsevier. - RepoRat
Re Frontiers, looks like not: - RepoRat
I guess I would say that NPG and Springer have both been innovators, but in different ways. NPG has a killer R&D department in Digital Science, whereas Springer has been pretty damn foresighted about business currents in STEM publishing. If the combo adds NPG's Build Cool Shit ethos to Springer's Do Good Business Without Being Total Jerks About It ethos, this could be good. If it... more... - RepoRat
Wish that FF technology could allow me to like RRs previous comment. - Joe
Cameron Neylon
Who do you get to say I am? -
There’s an argument I often hear that brings me up short. Not so much short because I don’t have an answer but because I haven’t managed to wrap my head around where it comes from. It generally comes in one of two forms, either “You can’t possibly understand our world because you’re not an X” (where X is either “humanist”, “creative” or “social scientist”) or its close variant “You can’t possibly understand…because you’re a scientist”. There are a couple of reasons why this is odd to me. The first is a ... - Cameron Neylon
I have bitten my tongue on "how is that not an ad hominem argument?" soooooooo many times... - RepoRat
Both ad hominem and usually followed up with "...and because science communication is like this and like that...which I clearly understand" which is somewhat...ironic in its symmetry. - Cameron Neylon
heh. that too. - RepoRat
Cameron Neylon
For my holiday project I’m reading through my old blog posts and trying to track the conversations that they were part of. What is shocking, but not surprising with a little thought, is how many of my current ideas seem to spring into being almost whole in single posts. And just how old some of those posts are. At the some time there is plenty of misunderstanding and rank naivety in there as well. The period from 2007-10 was clearly productive and febrile. The links out from my posts point to ... - Cameron Neylon
Nice overview of the discussions. - Joe
I guess its not surprising but the technology moves on, the problems don't. Quite interesting how many things that I thought were really important to try don't seem worth it any more because they'd be too easy - proof of principle is trivial and doing it well hard work... - Cameron Neylon
laura x
Do you have a MacBook Air? If so, what size, and do you like it?
I have a 4-year-old Air in the big size (13") and I love it. It's still running like new and is on Yosemite, but I've had to replace the charger twice because the cords fray eventually. A good friend got the 11" at the same time and I'm kind of jealous of him because that would fit my purse. - kaijsa
3 year old 11". Its good laptop. Sits by my bed for when the tablet can't cut it. Its also the bedrooms Media center for when the Roku won't cut it. It also is the guest laptop when needed. I don't like people on my main rigs. - Me
Two year old, 13", love it. - Todd Hoff
2012 Macbook Air 13" with 256G SSD. Best laptop I've ever had. - Eric - ill subliminal
I miss my 13" Air. Easily best laptop I ever had. - Jason Griffey from iPhone
I live off of my 2013 11" Air. Can be fully opened on any economy class plane or train on the planet* [*that I've tested it on] - Cameron Neylon
So for someone who has never owned a mac and want to start using what would you recommend? - aaron from Flucso
That depends. If you're using it for normal library stuff, then a macbook air of some size is probably fine. If you're going to be doing media editing on it, then a macbook pro. - DJF from Android
I really just want something I can write on (and check FF on) that doesn't want to install updates for 15 minutes every damn time I open it up. - laura x from iPhone
For writing, do you need Word? Because if not -- especially if Google Docs is an acceptable alternative -- I'd really recommend a Chromebook. Plus, they're super-inexpensive. - Catherine Pellegrino
No, I almost never write in Word (I haven't even owned it in years). I just want a keyboard and trackpad I don't hate and a computer that's not constantly in need of Windows updates. - laura x from iPhone
I still use the 2010 11". I still love it. The battery could be better. - Rodfather from Android
We got J this one about 6 months ago, and I use it for Google Apps work stuff sometimes, and it's been lovely: extremely portable and reliable, no (noticable) updates. Can't say whether you'd hate the trackpad, though: - Catherine Pellegrino
I'm LOVING my new Chromebook 11 for writing!!! - Lisa L. Seifert from iPhone
I have a Chromebook and it's good for web surfing stuff, but the sound and trackpad are so inferior to my Air that I rarely use it. I use mine mostly in the kitchen with recipes. Can't beat the price, though. - kaijsa
Yeah, the price is great, but so was the price on my current laptop, which I hate. Maybe I'll brave Best Buy tomorrow and see if I can try some things out. - laura x from iPhone
If you're willing to pay more for a better machine, I am biased toward recommending a Mac. - kaijsa
Macs cost more than cheap laptops. They also last two or three times longer than cheap laptops. - DJF
I adore my 13" Air. And I also am quite fond of the gaming laptop we have at home, but my hatred for its constant need for Windows updates is unspeakable. So if you don't need the graphics or processing power of something more robust, the Air is, IMO, unbeatable. - Jenica
Windows updates take forever, too. - kaijsa
Mac all the way. Jojo (son) loves his Air. I have a 13" non-Retina Pro that I'll trade in for a 15" Retina this summer (it's a VAR program here where I trade in the machine every two years). Because Macs last longer when you're not driving it into the ground with giant image and video files and hundreds of megs of font files, you can save a few hundred dollars by buying a refurb from Apple or a machine that's a couple years old from or - Mary B: #TeamMonique
2 yr old 13" MacBook Air - Best thing I've ever owned. - SAM
I made my wife and parents all get 13" MBAs. They like 'em just fine. My parents travel at least two-three times a year so they really like the lightness. - rönin
Wow. You *made* your wife get a specific computer. I've only been married 36.9 years so far; I can't even imagine *making* my wife buy a specific computer (or much of anything else). (OK, so we're both happy Windows users, even with the usually-once-a-month updates.) - Walt Crawford
And, admittedly, if I was traveling a lot I'd probably buy a lighter machine. It would probably be a Chromebook. - Walt Crawford
Tech stuff are the only things I can get away w/doing that. She just doesn't care w/computers & phones. I just hand her things, "Here, use this." Anything else in the house though, forget about it. - rönin
Until my current machine, I've always had Macs at home. I decided to save money last time I got a computer and I have been regretting it ever since. I've gone back to writing by hand because I know by the time the current machine gets going, I'll have forgotten my idea. Mostly I'm wondering if people find the Air a satisfying alternative to a MacBook Pro, which I don't want to pay for. - laura x from iPhone
It doesn't have the retina screen, otherwise I like mine (13 in) - maʀtha
Laura, the biggest differences between the air and the pro are the optical drive and the number of ports. If you don't use cds/dvds, and don't plug a lot of stuff into your computer, then you can get away with an air. I got a pro because I needed those extra connections. - DJF
Thanks--that was my impression, but I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something I should be thinking about. Now I just have to find some money hiding under a rock or something. - laura x from iPhone
well, the pro also has a faster processor, but that's not a problem if all you're doing is web/email/youtube/netflix. - DJF
If you buy an Air, I've heard that getting extra RAM will make the computer last much longer (i.e., you'll have room for OS upgrades and new applications). You can also buy discounted Applecare on Ebay (though you should use PayPal and "beware fraudulent sellers" : ). These are all my plans when I get around to replacing my MacBook with an Air. - Meg VMeg
You can also get extra RAM and flash memory later. My bro is a Genius and is going to help me upgrade my Air (I might put in a faster processor, too). I'd love the retina screen, but can't justify replacing a machine that runs almost perfectly even if it's getting old. Correction: he's a Creative who works Genius a few hours a week. Sorry, Brother. - kaijsa
DJF: no more cd/dvd drives in the MacBook pro, fwiw...haven't been for a couple of cycles now. - Jason Griffey from iPhone
Kaijsa: you can't actually get new RAM for the Air...the ram is soldered to the motherboard, not slotted. I'm fairly sure even the Geniuses don't do that level of hardware work. - Jason Griffey from iPhone
Yeah, he just corrected me and said I can add bigger flash memory but not RAM. This is okay for my purposes. - kaijsa
So I assume I would then want to start with the largest amount of RAM possible? - laura x
^^ yes. And I TOTALLY support a MacBook Air - I LURVE mine. It's so light for conferences & so much easier to type on than a tablet. It's pricey tho, but worth it, imho. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I have the latest 15" MacBook Pro, and I like it much better than the previous version I had. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Get the best standard config MacBook air (ie they sell four models at Best Buy, the best one) as d you should be good for the life of the laptop. - Eric - ill subliminal from iPhone
I'm going with the 13" with 8GB. I thought about the 11", but I think that's a little too small even for me. Thanks, everyone! - laura x
Awesome call. I would advocate for those 2 extra inches pretty aggressively. Makes all the difference. - SAM
I'm late to the party, but I'd like to comment that the 13" MBA's 12 hour battery life is amaaaaaazing! Very comfortable with all day usage without a power adapter. - Arlan K.
Cameron Neylon
Data Capture for the Real World -
Many efforts at building data infrastructures for the “average researcher” have been funded, designed and in some cases even built. Most of them have limited success. Part of the problem has always been building systems that solve problems that the “average researcher” doesn’t know that they have. Issues of curation and metadata are so far beyond the day to day issues that an experimental researcher is focussed on as to be incomprehensible. We clearly need better tools, but they need to be built to deal with the problems that researchers face. ... - Cameron Neylon
There's one more known trick for getting people to improve metadata -- believe it or not, it's putting in *wrong* metadata. Do this right, and it itches people enough that they correct it. FWIW. ;) - RepoRat
Also, I think you and David Rosenthal share a hive mind: - RepoRat
Yep, wrong metadata is a good strategy but it needs to be in the context of "mostly right" and "wow, that just appeared of its own accord?". In this system "wrong" can also be "not quite right enough to drive functionality" which is a great place to be. - Cameron Neylon
The sense of "capture metadata at source" and then add to it as appropriate/necessary seems to be gathering some steam (per Rosenthal piece). Maybe I'll stop being heretic on this sometime ;-) - Cameron Neylon
Walt Crawford
I know, I know, I shouldn't comment at Skitch, but I had to...and that's uncovered, among other things, David Wojick's claim that no-fee Gold OA journals aren't "part of the market," which is one way to dismiss them, I guess.
Hmm. My response to the *second* comment on my comment is awaiting moderation. My response to Wojick himself seems to have disappeared entirely. Not sure what that means, or whether I should care. I am impressed by the mentality that simply defines away a huge chunk of the scholarly article arena because The Greenbacks. - Walt Crawford
I see they approved my response to the second response to my comment, and have tried again to respond to Wojick, slightly less heatedly this time. (Reluctantly, to be sure: by Wojick's standard I'm not doing research at all because nobody's paying me for it.) - Walt Crawford
"Librarians, in other words, are in an unholy embrace with the publishers they despise." - John Dupuis
Well that's blithering nonsense. No question that they're part of the is definitely a price point - Cameron Neylon
If you go back there, you'll see that for Wojick it really is Entirely About the Greenbacks: he doesn't think Elsevier and friends are going to convert to "the subsidy model" therefore it's irrelevant. Once you understand that the discussion has nothing to do with access to scholarship, it becomes clearer. (Oh, and of course those 4,000-odd pipsqueak "subsidy journals" pose no threat whatsoever to Elseviley's future profits. Because.) - Walt Crawford I'll go back to avoiding skitch commenting and doing my bit to bring actual facts to the discussion of access to scholarly articles, which apparently is an entirely different discussion. (I'd guess skitch and Beall both getsmany times the readership of C&I, but I'd like to be wrong on that.) - Walt Crawford
Cameron Neylon
If were fined $10 every time someone mis-used the term gold #openaccess I think we could fund all of scholarly comms..
If that included every time somebody looks at a journal's page misdefining gold OA, I think you might be right. - Walt Crawford
It's true - but I'm getting much more irritable with stuff coming out of institutions on this (or from "experts") - Cameron Neylon
welcome to my so-called (prior professional) life. I had to swallow that BS from sooooooooooooo many people... - RepoRat
And another $10 for every time someone says, "But what about the poor publishers?" - John Dupuis
and another $10 for "it's not sustaaaaaaaaaaaaaainable" - RepoRat
And $1 for every time Sandy Thatcher brings up university press monographs. So low cause otherwise it would bring down the world financial system. - John Dupuis
Ugh, we gotta stop this, because I am thinking THINGS I SHOULD NOT BE THINKING about the opportunities for mayhem in the NASIG/SSP co-day (I am going to NASIG).* - RepoRat
* disclaimer: things I would not ever actually do, but are still fun to think about, in a wistfully evil sort of way - RepoRat
Because you never know what's going to just slip out by accident ;-) - John Dupuis
Yeah, it might be a knife.* - RepoRat
* disclaimer: I never carry a knife when traveling. Like the TSA would even let me, sheesh. - RepoRat
Cameron Neylon
Interesting - lags between online availability & official pub date inflate Impact Factor. cc @ctitusbrown
oh, clever (of the publishers). evil and stupid (of Thomson). - RepoRat
it's really Roach Motel writ large -- I've been known to open OA talks with the koan "how does your paper get cited twice in the same journal issue in which it appears? post a preprint!" - RepoRat
suggests that one thing the CrossMark initiative should track across versions is date of availability. - RepoRat
Crossref is looking at a duplicative works standard that might cover some of this. The same game is also being played with embargoes. It might be available online but you have to wait a year for it to be "officially published" - Cameron Neylon
yeah, what BS -- I mean, ADDED VALUE. - RepoRat
Cameron Neylon
Does anyone have an up to date figure for subscription market share (by $) of the big trad publishers?
no, sorry. it's a very interesting question. - RepoRat
Generally available in those reports people pay thousands of dollars for...I'm looking at a back of the envelope calculation that gives a jaw dropping result, but I need those figures to confirm... - Cameron Neylon
Ok, not quite so jaw dropping...or maybe...arrgggh...can't get quite the numbers I need to pin this down... - Cameron Neylon
Besides "by $" it would also be interesting to have "by number of pubs" or "by number of journals", because the first I biased towards expensive journals... - Egon Willighagen
Yes, that's kind of my point in this case. Basically I'm trying to calculate how much orgs or countries could do with money saved by subscription cancellations. Often I've got total subscriptions but not by publisher, or by publisher but not the total so I can't calculate proportions... - Cameron Neylon
Yeah, trade secrets... - Egon Willighagen
barbara fister
This is a thread for inarticulate growling. Rawr!!!
grrrr argh - lris
thanks. I needed the solidarity. - barbara fister from iPhone
Arglarglarglarrrrrr! - Grumpator
mfargrahsshew - ellbeecee
grrrrrrrrrr ruff - Christina Pikas
What Steele everyone else having a week as well? - Cameron Neylon
I'm just a bit overwhelmed by lots of Things. - ellbeecee
Yeh. That... - Cameron Neylon
Grraaa -- *dissolves in coughing* - RepoRat
Rrrrrrrrrgarrrrrrrgrar. - laura x
Grrrrrrtttthh. - Larua Boats from Android
ARGBARGARGbargargbargARG. - Regular Amanda
d-d-d-d,b-b-bu-bu-buh,aaAAARRGH *facepalm* *doublefail* - Kathy
urrrrrrrrgh aaaaaaaaargh - Nikki D.
grgrgrrgrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - Andy
Uuuaaaarrrrgggghhhhrrrrr - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
pppppppphhhhtttthhhhhbbbbtttttt [eta: *some witty Ministry of Silly Walks reference that works better then the lame one my brain refuses to release*] - Aaron the Librarian
schmoopie. - Megan loves summer
Neeeow ... wum ... ping! - Aaron the Librarian
Cameron Neylon
Policy, practice and problems: UK university cultures and responses to open access | Ngoding -
Policy, practice and problems: UK university cultures and responses to open access | Ngoding - Cameron Neylon
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High throughput sequencing for neuroscience | Cryptogenomicon -
"Scripting is a fundamental lab skill, like pipetting" via @marc_rr - Cameron Neylon
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To some a citation is worth $3 per year | Bits of DNA -
Those US News and World Report rankings are terrible and you should never give them any credence: via @lpachter - Cameron Neylon
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New CSIRO software opens Windows to science | CSIRO -
Workspace workflow platform. See #eRes2014 Tags: eRes2014 - Cameron Neylon
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An -style headline from - I like it: 'This study -
An @upworthy-style headline from @NiemanLab - I like it: 'This study finds that SM use reduces polarization' - Cameron Neylon
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From group blogs to open lab notebooks: Types of scholarly blogs | Digital Scholarship @ The Libraries -
OOH just found some great examples of #DH open "lab" notebooks: thanks, @mbschloss! Tags: DH - Cameron Neylon
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The Gentleman Who Made Scholar — Backchannel — Medium -
The Gentleman Who Made Scholar — Backchannel — @medium - Cameron Neylon
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Digital Public Library of America &raquo; Getting it Right on Rights -
MT @rlfrick: challenging day discussing rights + digital cultural heritage collections. Project: #digitalhumanities Tags: digitalhumanities - Cameron Neylon
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His master&#8217;s voice? &raquo; Testing hypotheses&#8230; -
His master's voice? - Interesting piece by @stevenhill on the personal v professional in blogging - I've followed up: - Cameron Neylon
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The five options for student tuition fees that politicians have to choose from -
The five options for student tuition fees that politicians have to choose from - good clear piece from @mgmcquillan - Cameron Neylon
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Your weekend white paper: Opening up to Open Acces -
Your weekend white paper: Opening up to Open Access,by Nathalie Guest | FutureBook - Cameron Neylon
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"We can be both a daily newsletter and a library." -
"We can be both a daily newsletter and a library." @NiemanLab covers the @nytimes Innovation report. - Cameron Neylon
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The Shuttleworth Foundation Home -
Why openness makes sense as a strategy, esp. if you are working towards a public good: - Cameron Neylon
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Academic behind copyright law changes warns that rights holders could lose even more control of content by taking test cases to court -
Ian Hargreaves' comments on new UK copyright law in detail at - Cameron Neylon
aw, they say this as though it'd be a BAD thing! *g* - RepoRat
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Measuring Openness and Evaluating Digital Academic Publishing Models: Not Quite the Same Business -
Measuring Openness and Evaluating Digital Academic Publishing Models: Not Quite the Same Business - - Cameron Neylon
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2eThe cost of subscription publishing | informed59 -
'The cost of subscription publishing' by @lawsonstu (data at @figshare) - Cameron Neylon
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