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Dave Winer - Twitter

“If Canada were shelling Seattle, damn right we'd attack. But there's a reason they're not shelling us. We aren't occupying their homeland.”

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Bingo. A no-brainer. - Sean McBride

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agree - and to say so is to be called anti-Israel - William Harryman

William, they can call you whatever they want. Frankly, I'm fairly anti-Israel myself. I don't know why people are willing to put up with so much nonsense from them. - Dave Winer

What if Canada decided the parts of ND and MN ceded to the US by GB in 1818 was illegal because Canada was independent and GB had no authority to do so? Even though several other nations in the world thought the land belonged to the US, Canada would have good reason to say otherwise. Or if all of the remaining indigenous peoples of Mexico rose up against those with Spanish heritage because many years ago their land was stolen from them and they want it back. - xero

It's really simple -- states shouldn't engage in the wholesale slaughter of civilians, women and children. There is nothing to argue about on this. - Sean McBride

As American taxpayers, you fund their actions. - Aaron deMello

Israel does not occupies Gaza anymore. Israel pulled out from Gaza two years ago - that's a history fact and I have no idea why the media keeps saying Israel occupies Gaza - they don't bother to change their bias (but who cares anyhow). - N.G.

N.G., international law is pretty clear - if you control the borders, the airspace and the money and openly reserve the right to enter at any time for any reason you see fit, it's an occupation. That's international law, not opinion. - Boris Gordon

Even if Israel weren't occupying Gaza, they occupy the West Bank. If Canada only occupied Seattle/Washington does that mean that the people of California have no right to resist with their fellow Americans? - Boris Gordon

A country/state can only occupy another if the military is doing the occupation... - xero

Who do *you* think is occupying Gaza and West Bank? The Israeli Chess Club? The Seniors Knitting Circle? Of course it's a military occupation. - Boris Gordon

Do you think Israel *wants* to occupy these places? If Canadians lived there, we'd be out in a heartbeat. - Dror Shimshowitz

Maybe Israel should let the Palestinians sell cigarettes and run the casinos. - Bill Seitz

"Do you think Israel *wants* to occupy these places" - well apparently so, as all evidence suggests that they've been steadily settling greater and greater amounts of Palestinian land ever since 1948. Shall we draw some fine distinction between some tiny sliver of Bantustan left to the Gazans and the rest of Israel then? Is that what you mean by "these places" - the leftovers after the all good bits are forcibly colonised? - Scot Mcphee

It's easy to chatter from far, when you live in a peaceful area without the need to face fear and horror. FYI Canada supports Israel cause stated only yesterday that Hamas (or what was left from it) should be blamed for the Palestinian tragedy. I don't really think any of you care, since i haven't seen any complaints when hundreds are getting killed in Iraq every month or while thousands of children are getting slaughtered in Africa every year. My conclusion, this discussion is only a matter of sanctimoniousness - Nir Ben Yona

If Israel's neighbors had not launched several unprovoked wars against her since 1948 Israel never would have found it necessary to take and hold land to protect her territorial integrity. - Peter Simard

Peter Simard: isn't it about time for you to admit that you know very little about the founding of Israel, the history of Zionism and the history of Mideast politics in general? You are repeating simplistic propaganda talking points from one side -- the Israeli side. If Americans violently resisted the violent creation of a Zionist state on their territory, would they be considered terrorists? - Sean McBride

From the standpoint of the residents on the land which Russian and European Zionists seized by force, Zionism was an enormous provocation. - Sean McBride

Nir Ben Yona -- Americans are not bogged down in ethnic and religious conflicts of the kind with which Israel is afflicted, because America is a modern Western democracy, not a messianic ethno-religious nationalist enterprise building settlements on the territory of our neighbors. Give up the ethnic and religious nationalist militancy, and those kinds of conflicts will go away. - Sean McBride

@Sean actually America is indeed bogged down ins uch conflicts haha - Iraq and Israel - Chris Saad

Chris -- the main reason we are bogged down in both conflicts is -- you guessed it, I am sure. - Sean McBride

I know the reasons - just kidding around - Chris Saad

A lot of comments seem to be dancing around the core issue: for Hamas, there is no part of Israel that is not an occupation of their homeland. It's not about what Israel does in Gaza or the West Bank. It's fundamentally about opposition to the existence of the State of Israel. - Michael Markman

Hamas is an extreme reaction to a real problem. Focusing on them is like focusing on a rash instead of the virus - Chris Saad

Chris, you talk as if the Hamas is not the ruling body of Gaza. - Amit Morson

Dave, they've got their fucking land, their a bunch of terrorits holding the Palestinians to ransom. There's a reason the US is 100% behind Israel, because they're on the same side. Dave why don't you join your local Hamas club, that's right you an't because there a terrorist orgaization and can't recruit in the US, so get off your ass and head to the middle east and sign up for their "cause" if that's what you think. - Donovan Slennon

@Sean IMHO America is more conservative and religious than you might think. Not bogged? for decades you've been dealing with slavery and ethnic debates between blacks and whites UNTIL TODAY isn't it? Many of us would like to see a separation between "religion and state", however the other side lives according to religious rules and you can't ignore it. PS: FYI, Peter is damn right about the routes of the Israeli concept - Nir Ben Yona

Attacks on Americans by pro-Israel activists and militants: Donovan Slennon's post is an excellent example of the genre. They are going to backfire in the long run. - Sean McBride

Israel has been out of Gaza for two years. What are you talking about? - ouriel

What I find astounding is the total absence of any kind of outcry and protest over the thousands of rockets fired into Israeli cities and towns before this incursion. There are children living in those cities and towns too and the fact that Israelis may be more accustomed to taking refuge in shelters built for this purpose doesn't change the heinous nature of Hamas' repeated attacks. - Paul Jacobson via twhirl

Nir: Israel is an ethno-religious nationalist state, which much more closely resembles white South Africa than the United States. America is not organized around the interests of any particular ethnic or religious group. America would be like Israel if it were a militant Anglo-Christian state which brutally discriminated against Jews and other ethnic and religious outgroups. - Sean McBride

Sean, no attacks on Americans here, just an attack on a bad argument that happens to be made by an American. Israel and America are busom buddies because they've got the same DNA, they are not wild. - Donovan Slennon

Paul Jacobson: how many Palestinian civilians has Israel killed since its founding? How much territory has it seized from Palestinians by terrorism and force? And why in the world should Americans get sucked into the middle of foreign ethnic and religious wars, when Americans have worked so hard to get beyond ethnic and religious conflicts within their own borders? - Sean McBride

Donovan: by this time, many Americans, from presidents on down, have run out of patience with hearing any more violent rhetoric from any side in Mideast ethnic and religious wars. The non-stop hysteria becomes intolerable after a point. The whole point of modern Western democracies is to rise above these kinds of petty and self-destructive conflicts and focus on more productive issues. - Sean McBride

Sean: Good Morning! Whether the founding of Israel is traced to God's covenant with the Jews or handover of the British Mandate in 1948 it seems the kernal of the problem is the denial of Israel's right to exist. All problems stem from that. Hamas' charter denies Israel's right to exist so here we are again. (Off to work now) - Peter Simard

Michael Markman -- if the United States redefined itself as an Anglo-Christian state, would enormous conflict and violence ensue? Of course. Ethno-religious states tend to generate tremendous conflict, and especially when they are implanted by terrorism and force on the territory of other ethnic and religious groups. There is a simple solution: get beyond the primitive identity politics. - Sean McBride

Peter -- would Americans, Europeans, Canadians, Russians, Chinese or any other major population groups agree that Israel has a right to exist on their territories? Of course not. Where is your sense of realism? Even David Ben-Gurion understood that Arab resistance to the creation of Israel was perfectly reasonable. - Sean McBride

David Ben-Gurion: "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" - Sean McBride

Btw Palestinians =! Muslims - There is/was Christian, Jewish and Islamic Palestinians - Chris Saad

@Sean If you ask me, America is involved because: 1) Oil 2) afraid the Middle East conflicts will reach its front door (September 11th anyone). IMO this is just the beginning since 30M Muslims live in Europe and it looks like a ticking bomb that is about to explode any second. But what do i care, I'm just a gadgets fanatic. - Nir Ben Yona

@Sean In Re: Running out of patience. I think you make an interesting revelation here. I know I feel this way. Perhaps many people either are sick of the non-stop bickering or have become desensitized to the news of this area of the world. Maybe the US should just keep arming both sides and let them fight it out once and for all. Hey,at least we'd get a little profit... - Mark VandenBerg

@Chris Saad: the problem is more complicated since we have internal Muslim Shia-Sunni wars. - Nir Ben Yona

Mark -- most Americans are smart enough, and sane enough, to realize that you don't push your ethnic and religious hysteria front and center in your relations with others! :) It is difficult to imagine behavior that is more self-destructive than this. The backlash is going to be something to behold when it finally comes. - Sean McBride

Sean, your distorted perception of Israel at it again... - Amit Morson

Let me emphasize, by the way, that this isn't about Jews and Muslims. Many Jews and Muslims get along in multicultural societies and modern Western democracies, and haven't the slightest interest in getting sucked into religious wars. Quite the contrary. - Sean McBride

You are occupying the native american’s homeland, now get the fuck out of northern america. No wait, it is a dumb argument. - Andre

Amit -- I offer you as Exhibit A for the problem which we have been discussing. - Sean McBride

Did everyone see this today? "UN Says No Hamas Fighters Were in Bombed Gaza School (Time.com)" http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailyne... "Investigation refutes claim by Israeli military that it was "returning fire" from Hamas militants when troops shelled an elementary school, killing 40 civilians." - Sean McBride

I do like the way you phrased it: "Non-stop hysteria." May I use this (with proper attribution)? - Mark VandenBerg

Be my guest. :) A perpetual shrill shriek in the ears. If you want a really heavy dose of it, check out Atlas Shrugs http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad... - Sean McBride

Sean, when you say UN, you mean Palestinian representatives of the UN, subtle difference. On the other side, Israeli intelligence knows exactly who was there. Contrary to your perception of Israel and Hamas own philosophy, no Israeli soldier shoots at a schools just for fun. - Amit Morson

Ow. That hurt my eyes and my brain all at the same time! - Mark VandenBerg

Amit -- don't you understand yet that Israeli attacks on civilians in Gaza are badly damaging Israel? How much do you want to bet that the Israeli government won't produce a shred of evidence to back up its claim that the school was inhabited by armed terrorists? And why are you harassing Americans about your ethnic and religious conflicts? - Sean McBride

Mark - Pamela Geller (Atlas Shrugs) is the quintessence of everything that has gone wrong with Israel. She is quite a phenomenon. Shriek doesn't begin to cover it. - Sean McBride

Everyone understands attacks on civilians are badly damaging Israel, thats why the Israeli army tries to avoid it and Hamas militants carry human shields with them. And that proves my point exactly! - Amit Morson

What are the world media saying about Israel's attack on an elementary school? Google News has it covered: http://news.google.com/news?q=... - Sean McBride

I'm being controversial here, but I know! <sarcasm>Let's send a load of US and British troops over there to die, and slowly watch the economy tank even more in the process, just like Iraq.</sarcasm> Sigh... - Tyson Key

Close Tyson. Let's send a bunch of US and British weapons over there for each side, and have them only call when it's either over or they've run out of bullets. Then I won't have to listen to this crap any more. - Mark VandenBerg

I predicted months ago on here on Friendfeed that Barack Obama would be totally distracted and consumed by the Mideast Horror Show from the first day he took office, and that he wouldn't be able to effectively focus on domestic economic issues and the American interest. I got that one right. - Sean McBride

Citation needed. - Mark VandenBerg

@Sean, Damaging? do you listen to yourself? As bad as it may sound, do you really think the world will remember any of those clashes in couple of months? are you familiar with the US image across the Arab world? Do you know how much hatred is been channeled towards American citizens and American establishments? Can you remember that only months ago American troops bombarded a wedding in Iraq, killing more than 70 innocent Iraqis? Trust me, no one cares, this is just a piousness. - Nir Ben Yona

Nir - you are attacking an American, me, about your foreign ethnic and religious conflicts. Not smart. - Sean McBride

How to follow the unfolding story about the Israeli bombing of a UN elementary school on Google News, with most recent stories first: http://news.google.com/news?q=... - Sean McBride

Mark, that's not a joke but the middle east was a testing ground for American and Russian weapon systems for years. - Amit Morson

Sean, just because the media say it's true doesn't make it so. Do you believe everything you read in the papers? You do realize that 90% of the reporters in Gaza are Palestinians. And that's exactly that kind of coverage you get as a result. - Amit Morson

@Amit I wasn't joking. If it were me I'd turn the entire area in to a plate of glass. That seem to be the only way to end this. - Mark VandenBerg

Amit - I have to be honest and say that I regard you as a lost cause. I am not even going to make an effort to cut through your mental fog. If you had been a Bernard Madoff investor, you would have bet the farm on his veracity. I trust the world media much more than I trust the Israeli government on matters of fact and truth concerning Israel. - Sean McBride

Mark V - not sure if you were requesting a cite from me about my prediction that Obama would be consumed by Mideast politics from his first day in office. I began to focus on the Obama/AIPAC connection back in June http://friendfeed.com/search?q... My predictions are scattered among the comments. - Sean McBride

Sean, why do you acknowledge that Palestinians' have the right to define themselves as a nation, but not Jews? - Michael Markman

Michael -- I never said that. In fact, I would prefer to see an American-style one-state solution in the region, with ethnicity and religion wrung out of its Constitution and Jews and Palestinians sharing power on an equal footing. But what do you make of the David Ben-Gurion quote above? - Sean McBride

@Sean i can say the same things vice versa (attacking me). If you really believe the media than 1) http://bit.ly/OrSL 2) http://bit.ly/159UZ (taken in 07 and exemplify the Hamas launching from the same perimeter). - Nir Ben Yona

Nir -- am I bugging you about MY ethnic and religious issues? Attacking you about them? I am not. To do so would be rude, uncivil and antisocial. You are just not getting it. - Sean McBride

I think if I had grown up with my basic rights constantly annihilated, seeing my parents humiliated and in fear, knowing if have no prospects for decent development, that soldiers (or settlers) could come trash my place any day for nothing I have done, I would be angry. And if i had grown up in the fear of rockets or some crazy person blowing up the local marketplace or a bar, for nothing I have personally done, I would be angry too. But repeating the pattern is not the solution. - Joelle Nebbe

Actually, it looks like Obama is going to be consumed by Israel's problems *before* his first day in office. I doubt that he will ever again have an opportunity to come up for air or to get focused on America's economic crisis. Apart from the Gaza mess, AIPAC has big plans to use Obama as a tool to attack Iran. Obama will have to go along or else. - Sean McBride

Sean, I dont think that is a likely scenario. I think the moderates will win this one out - Joelle Nebbe

@Sean: aight ! - Nir Ben Yona

Sean: The only part I haven't quite figured out is when. The way I see it, the US will move troops out of Iraq into Pakistan (you know, because of the unrest there, wink wink nudge nudge) which gives them easy access to Afghanistan and Iran, plus a closer position to Israel without moving too far from Iraq. I just don't have the date pinned down. - Mark VandenBerg

Joelle -- "moderates" like Rahm Emanuel, who attacked the Bush administration from the right for being too soft on terrorism? Moderates like Hillary Clinton, who raised the prospect of "totally obliterating" Iran? Obama will not be able to stand up to pressure coming from AIPAC. - Sean McBride

Mark V -- they will need another major terrorist attack to push the Mideast wars to the next level, and no doubt it will occur. Possibly even the nuclear attack which Ehud Barak described in detail recently. - Sean McBride

@Sean I agree. The Mumbai effort really went poorly to try to establish cause. Another, larger attack is necessary. - Mark VandenBerg

Mark -- Barak even described the exact methods that would be used for the attack. :) "Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak says Iran would attack the United States if it acquired 'even a primitive nuclear weapon.' He said if Iran 'built even a primitive nuclear weapon like the type that destroyed Hiroshima, Iran would not hesitate to load it on a ship, arm it with a detonator operated by GPS and sail it into a vital port on the east coast of North America.'" - Sean McBride

i think i'm out of my depth in this conversation now... - Joelle Nebbe

Sure we are... Essentially everything north of Boston was Canada (england) at one time... Texas was Mexico... Alaska was Russia... And frankly it all really belonged to the American Indian. So if you get knifed by an American Indian I guess you had it coming... you should say you are sorry. - Brian Roy

Joelle, always look for the reason behind the talking head. The Mumbai incident, for example: how did any terrorist group benefit from the attack? None did. So then begin looking for other reasons. Strategically Pakistan is a good place for the US military to set-up. How to get them there? Prove to the world that the US is needed there... Can you think of a better explanation of what happened in Mumbai? - Mark VandenBerg

Dave - There is an enormous amount of non-sense on BOTH sides of this. I'm anti-non-sense. So I guess that makes me anti-Israel and anti-hamas. What I don't understand is when people become unbalanced and condem one and not the other. There are no "good actors" here. - Brian Roy

dave here see this post ... this is why we arent attacking you http://friendfeed.com/e/1306e9... - johnpiercy

All above occurring on the Promised Land. Hell on Earth. - HollowMarkeD

@Nir and all pro-Israeli dudes: Why won't anybody respond to the Ben-Gurion quote Sean quoted? Is that too inconvenient to respond? - Ashwin Bharambe

You know, I brought up the David Ben-Gurion quote quite a few times now, and haven't received a single response from pro-Israel activists. Not one. They keep trying to pretend that the quote doesn't exist. - Sean McBride

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Robert Scoble

“If you had $3,000 in your pocket, which would you buy? Canon 5D MKII or Apple 17-inch MacBookPro. Discuss here:”

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Neither - MiɳiMagɘ is EnderMage

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We are arguing about that on the CES bus. Geeks! - Robert Scoble

Canon 5D MKII hands down. - Andrew Hyde

pro for sho - Brad Will

Canon camera. I need a great camera more than a Mac - tsudohnimh

5d Mk II - Scott Loftesness

5D MKII, since I've already got a Mac Pro. ;) - Cory OBrien

Have a Nikon D300 and my old MBP is on the fritz, so this woud be a slam dunk for me - Gregg Gallagher

17 inch MBP because I love it. Then I'd buy a cheap 40D. I get more use out of a laptop than I do a camera. - Michael Yurechko

Apple 17-inch MacBookPro with a matte screen. - Arturo

People who get a good cannon keep them forever, I go through a macbook every few years - Michael Struening

Macbook Pro. Only because I'm a Nikon fan. D300 is definitely my choice of camera ;) - Tamar Weinberg

mac - David Banes via IM

Mac - Jeff Douglass

Would have to be the MacBookPro - Jason Townsend

The Canon. A solid peice of hardware and I'm after a camera - Mo Kargas

5D MKII of course. - jeremy franklin

The Canon. I'd have so much more fun with a zippy camera than a Big Mac. - Mike Neumann

Probably the computer. I'm happy with the first gen 5D I'm about to buy and as awesome as the camera is, the MBP doesn't need another $5K in lenses. - Derrick

Neither, you need at least twice that for glass & equipment to get the "rig" you should want for a Canon MKII - sorry, 3K isn't enough for that toy; and spending 3K on disposable technology (Mac equipment) isn't a wise investment. - Enrique Gutierrez

MBP....i miss my macs! - Brian Bufalo

5D MKII hands down. I can hold onto the memory cards until I get to a desktop :) - Austin

Without question: 5D mark II - Rodney L.

MBP - it's a means of production for me, once i make some extra cash with it I can always buy the 5D ;-) - Warren

which are you going to get more utility from? I'm guessing the Canon. - Peter Warnock

I already have a 5D MKII but I would take another one in a heartbeat, or a couple of nice L glass - Bill Pennington

5D Mark II..... no doubt. - Albert K

Canon, without a doubt. - Brad Butner

Definitely the MacBook Pro...but then again I'm not a photographer. - Charlie Flowers

Neither, I'd use it to buy food for a year. - Will Higgins

Canon - Chacha via IM

Considering I can make quicker cash with my Photography work I would say the Canon 5D MKII and then I would buy the Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro with some of my earnings! - Patrick Greer

Um, food. Yeah, yeah, I know...moving on... - Patrick

5D Mark II. And then throw the remaining towards some new glass. - Andy Hannon

2k into the bank, 1k for computer upgrades and other stuff. - Grant Bierman

5D Mk II everytime ... unless I don't have a Mac at that particular time ... - Stephen Taylor

I would go for the Macbookpro - Troy Malone

5D MKII...already have a MacBookPro and I'm willing to ditch my Nikon gear! - Dan Shust

Canon 5D MKII since I already have the 15" MBP. - Alan Le

I don't need either one--but I think the Canon would have much better resale value--so given the choices: Canon. - Rob Michael

Canon 5D MKII - for sure! - I really want one.... :( - Brad

MBP - not a photographer - Matt Faulkner

A 50D and a fast lens. ;-) - D. Lambert

I've already got the 15" unibody so I'd go for the 5Dmkii - Sparky

If I didn't have a laptop, then I would get the 17" MBP. If I already had a lappy, then get the camera... - William Sellers

Well, I recently moved from a 30D to a 5DMII because it was a huge upgrade for my "system". With a 2 year old Macbook Pro still serving me well for my needs, it's an easy decision. Additionally, I can't see using a 17" notebook over a 15 for portability sake, I'd just as well get an iMac and keep using my Macbook Pro for mobile use. - Ryan

Aren't you in Vegas? I think there are a few other options in front of you.. - JonSupermurray

5D!! - Wil

The camera. I have a new macbook already. - Jim Williams

The 5D is more than a $3k investment. It's $3k upfront but thousands in lenses, flashes and other gear over the years. - Michael Yurechko

Canon 5DMIII... - Greg Kamer

MacBookPro 17-inch. I am a Nikon guy. So, Canon 5D MKII if I had $7K for all the lenses, too. - Chintan Zaveri

The camera! I already have the 15" MBpro. 17" is just too big. - Sherry Main

My 1 yr-old MacBook doesn't thrill me; it sits on the desk unused, and I just couldn't pay more than $200 for a camera, unless I was dreadfully rich. - MiɳiMagɘ is EnderMage

5DMKII - sell some images on istockphoto, and then buy an MSI Wind and install OSX. It is faster than my 15" MBP! - Darren Mak

Definitely the 5D MkII - Christopher Chan

MBP. I just got a brand new camera. - Glen Campbell

$3,000 worth of NOODLZ - Bwana

100 shares of CRM ;D - barl0w

What would I do with a Mac? - drsPIX

5D MkII - want! I already have a Mac, iPhone, 2 PC's and a laptop. <sigh> gadget budget is small right now though. - Jim Bergman

canon 5d. already have a 15 mbp - Kiran Patchigolla

5D MK II You can always get the Mac later. - Yu Yu Din

I'd pay my bills and buy some groceries. - ::Kristen::

Apple 17-inch MacBook Pro. - Chris Luckhardt

What's an Apple 17-inch MacBookPro and why would a person need one? - Michael Krigsman

Mac book pro - Randy

MacBook Pro because I have neither a mac or digital SLR and the Mac does many things where as the canon does one thing well/ - Bryan Lee

Canon 5D MKII - Mansoor

I'll take the MacBook Pro - Rob

MacBookPro...or a Martin 12 http://guitars.musiciansfriend... and use the difference to buy a copy of logic pro for my 15" macbook pro - Armen Chakmakjian

5D MKII - do you want to lug around that 17" beast? - nicholas einstein

I'll go for the MacBook. My heart beats nikon so.... - studio_juan

MBP - already have a nice Canon - but my Mac sits firmly on my desk - shaun mclane

MacBook Pro, but I would need another $1200 for the 8GB of RAM. - Shawn Hickman

5D MKII. Even though I already have one. - Kathleen McGivney

Neither. Maybe 3 coins :). I have a Macbook Pro which I don't use often comparing to my PC. I am not into the consumer electronic stuff, only got a digital cam last year :). - dexin

Canon. Can't believe Apple ditched the matte screen on the 17" - FCP users and photographers don't want a glossy screen - the idea of the 17" is the ability to use it out in the field for photo/video editing. - Peter Clayton

So limiting, Robert! If I could pick whatever I wanted, I'd get one of those sweet Asus multi-touch netbooks coming out - and then use the rest to buy Yahoo! stock. :P - Shawn Farner

MB 13'' and the external cinema display. MBP17 is huge to carry out - Jean-Charles VERDIE

canon - jeff

17" MBP FTW! You should create a poll on SocialToo.com Robert, then we can see graphed results! - Joseph

I'd get the Mac Book Pro because cameras require something to take a picture of. The only photos I have are screenshots of the sweet Purps on my Blood Elf Priest. - Morgan Collins

Craigslist in Cincinnati - 5D for 1200: http://cincinnati.craigslist.o... - D. Lambert

Wow, what a great argument! 82 comments in 17 minutes! - Robert Scoble

MacBook Pro. I really, really, really want a new laptop even though my current MacBook works just fine. - Nation Hahn

Camera. Droooooooooool. - Alix Whitmire ƸӜƷ

Well part of it would have to go towards fixing my car, http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dz.... Then the rest would go towards buying a second camera body to be my main and at least one lens if not two. Then the rest would go towards bills. - mathew, keynote not lame

Robert: Apple products plus awesome SLR cameras...response is a given :) - Mo Kargas

the camera is nice - especially all the HD video. friend of mine in the movie post-production business reckons this sort of Camera will KILL the movie camera business in a few years time. especially at the low-budget movie (<$30 million) of the movie business. RED already making big inroads. much cheaper than an ARRI. - Scot Mcphee

The MK II as I already have the MBP 17 inch...older but it works. - Semipro

Canon 5D is the winner for me. Great digital photography is the gift that keeps on giving.... ;-) - John Uppendahl

Well.... Given that I have 4 PC desktops, 2 PC laptops, and 1 iMac, all of which are operational and regularly used, AND that I suck at photography, I'm going for what's behind door #3: A whopping big HDTV -- which will get hooked up to the living room PC, of course. ;-) - Joanmarie

17" Mac. Already have a camera. . . - Scott Whitney

Nikon D3 - Bill Sanders

Macbook Pro for me. Would be my first Mac. - Jim Bednarz

Nikon D3 - ThePicMan

MacBook Pro. Don't need such a super-duper crazy camera. Not a real photographer. But a very real Mac geek. - Louis Gray

5D for sure! - Daniel Pourasghar

I'd go the MacBook - but I'd also load it up with the full 8gb of RAM I see as an option (and not many people mentioning). Sadly, a nice 17" MBP setup it just over NZ$10k :( - Mark Derricutt

MacBook Pro. Hands down. I'm a computer engineer, not a photographer. - Logan Leger

well since I've already got a Canon 5D Mark II... hmmmm... - Thomas Hawk

I'll buy neither. What I would rather do is try to buy one share of BRK-B if it gets to that price. :) - imabonehead

The 17" Mac Book Pro, I already have a 5D MkII ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

I'd buy the camera, I have always loved photography and wanted to learn. - Ruth Ferguson

The Canon, all the way man!! - Finding The View

Apple! I don't like the fact of the hd video recorder on the 5D and I want the Sony alpha! - Brandy Lea

Canon. 15" MBP is the largest I'll go. - saeba

I would take the cash and build an ultimate gaming PC !!! :D - ralphsaunders

When you buy an inexpensive camera, you really sacrifice quality, and that lack of quality endures (you want to keep your photos forever, right?). When you buy an inexpensive computer, that's not the case (I don't need a unibody case :) - David

Canon 5D - easy answer! - Susan Beebe

Ouch, this one hurts. I suppose I can't opt for a Nikon equivalent to the Canon? If this is the choice, I'd opt for the MacBook Pro. But if I had 3K, I'd buy myself the Nikon D300 - Karoli

The Canon. A 17" laptop is too big unless you plan to use it as a desktop. - Hartley Spurlock

Mac for sure.I have a first generation Macbook and I need a new one. Kaya Singer - Kaya

I'd pay off my credit card. For all that stuff I, like, already bought. - Jandy Stone

the Macbook pro but only because I need to upgrade my computer. - Anna Lynn M.

the Camera for sure - Tai

5d Mark II - Jauder Ho

None - a super-gaming rig. :) - carrotmadman6

Definitely a Canon 5D. - Maria Colacurcio

5D Mark II - Hands down. - Seagate

I would save it until I had between $8-15K for a CO2 laser cutting machine. I like my macs small, and while full frame sounds nice, I know I'm not nearly hungry enough to go pro in photography, so 40D suits me just fine. - Jason Wehmhoener

That's a tough one because I have been wanting to get my first Mac (have to start somewhere, right?!) but am a hard core Canon fan/user. So if push came to shove, I would have to go with the Canon. - Laura Zickus

Mmm, CO2 lasers. - Mo Kargas

That would be either a trip to another continent or a Fujitsu LifeBook P1630, but it would not be either of the options in the question. I seriously cannot understand $3k for a camera, unless you're going to make that money back in a month or two WITH said camera. - MiɳiMagɘ is EnderMage

Neither, I would invest in the stock market. - Denton Gentry

I'd prefer a D300, however no matter what brand I'd take the camera in a second over the MBP. Save up another $500 and get a Windows Notebook as well. - Kenton

The Canon 5D MKII for sure. Cameras bring me a lot more joy than flashy computers. Though a 17-inch MacBookPro would be nice to edit those new photos on too ;-) - Ian Holton via twhirl

Probably the Mac. I would never carry around a DSLR. Too big. - Rodfather

Neither. The new full frame format with HD Movies (wow! Woopee *rolls eyes*) is crap - only 3.9 FPS?! Who are they kidding?! - Adam

Seeing my Macbook Pro is 5 months old. I would buy neither...but I would buy a MacPro with more RAM. - Ryan

I take a cruise with Lindsay - big ass stateroom. - Tad Goes to 11

Neither, I'd get a Canon Rebel XTi and build a new gaming PC, anything left over would go toward the new home NOC - xero

I would take my lover to Italy :) - Maryam Scoble

The Canon 5D, I find the photographic process calming, a welcome diversion from the ones and zeros. - cornedbeefgents

Awwww :) - Mo Kargas

Nikon D700 - Rod Bauer via twhirl

There's one in every crowd. - Rod Bauer via twhirl

I'd go with the Macbook Pro - Joe Davison

If I had the $3,000, Canon 5D and a larger donation here http://tinyurl.com/daniela Pros: it's more portable, takes better pictures, and connects to my more compact 15" Macbook Pro. Of course, it doesn't work with my Nikon lenses, so... - Lee Dale

Canon 5D MKII only cause I have a Macbook Pro. If I didnt it would be the Macbook. - Bob Maltais

Nah. Patrick's college fund. 5D Mark 2 or the Macbook isn't all that exciting. - Joshua Hayworth

cannon.I kill computers, so not worth spending 3 grand on one. Plus I have a (beat up) macbook pro already. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)

Photos shoot at 3.9 fps, video shoots at 30 fps. @AdamGiovane - Jim Bergman

The MacBook of course. - Rob Fahrni

Of course, The MacBook Pro - Rashad

mac - Vishy

5D, but I wish it had XLR audio. - Gus

the new MBP, without a doubt ... my current ones needs a refresh (I'm accepting donations btw) ;-) - Jeffrey Canton

Since I'll be getting the new MBP anyway, I'll take the 5D. BTW, is anyone keeping score? - Brad

I would buy the Canon, but of course, I would need a MacBook Pro in order to edit/view the photos the way they were meant to be viewed. - Robert Peña

Blatant self-promotion, but if Robert used re-searchr.com it would keep score for us... I wrote it to suck down inline multiple choice selections so no ne would even have to leave ff - James Ostheimer

Robert, you're asking the question that's been pondering in my mind from some time (albeit it used to be with the 15" and Cinema display v. 5D/a900/D700 -cannot make my mind-). I want to be able to make a decision before March. I think I'll be going for the Mac, since I might relocate in part of the world where carrying an expensive piece of art around my neck might be more dangerous than here, in JPN. - Paul Papadimitriou

I'd go for a MBP, mine needs an upgrade and I just bought a 50D not long ago which is just fine for me. - Andrew Trinh via Nambu

I need cash! :) - Randy

Some of us are Nikon people. Some of us are not Mac people. I'll just take the 3 Gs. - Eric @ CS Techcast

Nikon D700 + 50mm 1.4 prime lens! - Guillaume Lemoine

More lenses. My camera is fine, and this Thinkpad is a good 'un. - Paula Wirth

Seems like Apple design the 17-inch MacBookPro just can use in 3years.the battery can only use in 1000 times,1time per 1day,3years.But Canon 5D can take more beatuful pics for me,and can stand by me more than 3years.if i really have 3000dollers,i real do this.kick off 17-inch MacbookPro. - jedorstar via twhirl

Lenses, like Paula sez. - Rob Kramer

Buy half and half :) - Michael Forian

Wow, I came late to this convo. Well, for what it's worth at this point, I'd probably get the lappytop, sell my old MBP and then use THAT money to buy a cheaper camera. :D - Jonathan Hardesty

Canon 5D MKII, no doubt. I have a 1.5 year old 15-inch MacBookPro which is still more than OK. Going from Canon 400D to a 5D MKII however would be a major upgrade. - Rutger Blom

Macbook I think. I have a 40D but REALLY want the 5D. Which do you think you could get your hands on first? - Andrew Smith

The 5D. The MacBookPro can wait. - Chris Nixon

5D, I have enough laptops as it is. - Amit Morson

The $2800 MBP becomes a lot more compelling when converted to 2080€. - Brad

I'm a Nikon guy but the 5D MKII has me seriously considering a switch - Bryan Thatcher via twhirl

As I don't like Macs and into my photography the choice out of the two is simple. :-) But I've rather spend the money on say the Nikon D3 and if you gave me an extra grand or 2 then I'd go for the Nikon D3X. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes via twhirl

Without though, the Canon 5D MKII. First up, you don't want to trust another "first gen" Apple product. And with the unimpressive lineup yesterday, maybe the 15" laptops are coming out real soon now, with similar features, and all quirks ironed out - Colin Charles via twhirl

MAC!!! - Orli Yakuel

(Friendfeed needs a poll feature) - Jérôme Flipo

5D over the MAC Pro. - Robert Miller

MacBookPro - just bought myself a nice camera with a fracking big lens! - Joel Hammond-Turner

Canon! - jlt (janet)

Canon. I have a laptop and rarely use it - well not as a laptop. It sits on a desk as a permenant fixture. - Ian May

Canon 5D mk 2 :) - Joe Dawson

Camera, I never liked the 17". It's too heavy for a "portable" - Melissa dela Merced via twhirl

neither, a big ass HDTV :) - Terry O'Fee

17-inch macbookPro is way too big. so I would go for the camera. Problem is I would need to learn how to use it then... - Davide D'Incau

If you have good lenses to take advantage of the MKII (extra $3000 needed here), go for the camera! - Joao Pedro

I would buy a Apple 17-inch macbook of course.! I don't have an apple and I would really like one. I have a camera thats good enough for me. - Larsen aka Qbat

nor this neither that! i will send money to help people in Gaza or at least I'll send 1000 $. - خیزران

canon 5d mk ii based on the videos I've seen - i mean just look at these http://is.gd/cP6x - planetMitch

The Canon, surely. No use for a laptop that big. - Ryan Sholin

5D over here too - Simon Wicks

Macbook Pro 17! - Greg

The camera. Already have three computers but have no camera. - Martha

I am not pro enough to need the 5D, I am actually looking at a D60 or D90. But the 17 Macbook is something I can use :) - Marcus Hamaker

I'd buy the Nikon D700 - David Parmet via twhirl

neither - cash is still king - viki saigal

its the lens, not the body - spring for L glass - jesse wright

MacBookPro - Stewart Rogers

New MacBookPro 17". I would probably get more use out of it than the Canon. But my, oh my, ya'll, the Canon sure is sweet. - Matthew Freeman

I have the glass. I have the Mac, I'd get the 5DMKII - stretta via twhirl

5D - I don't need a macbook. I'm happy with my PC and laptop - they cover my my needs perfectly. - Roberto Bonini

MBP. - Michael Molinar

Donate it to @armano. - Jim Mitchem

given my current status .. I am happy with my Canon XTi so I would go for the MacBook Pro. - Kapil

5D, but that's cuz I've been saving up for one. A new MBP would def. be on the list of future purchases (current computer is 3 years old) - Michael

Canon 5d Mk II, far more useful than the new laptop. More fun. One encourages you to sit around, the other encourages you to go out :-) - Richard Azia

MacBookPro, Canon sux. (OK, relax, just kidding. I'm a Nikon guy. I have no Canon lenses.) - Trevor Carpenter

Canon!! - Ivy via twhirl

I would buy the Mac, get a cheaper camera with the money I have left, and edit and enhance my videos using my Mac. - Shevonne Polastre

I'd go the Mac route. I'm looking to buy one anyway and I've already got a camera. Might not be as fancy as the Canon do-dad, but I'll manage. -