Speaking of Reader, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be getting shares on time. Tweets are late too :( Still using Reader but thru Feedly :)
- RK
...The new lists feature is totally making Twitter FAR BETTER than Google Reader. The only thing Twitter doesn't have yet is full text. But I've gotten over that. So, why is Louis Gray still holding onto Google Reader, even though Google Reader is slower and lamer than Twitter is (combined with FriendFeed)?
- Robert Scoble
Off topic question on Twitter lists: Sometimes when I try to add someone to a list of mine using the dropdown, I click the checkbox, the little icon spins, but the click doesn't take and the person isn't added. This happens a lot but not always. Anyone else getting this?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Reader and Twitter are very different tools. Virtually every blog and news site has RSS/Atom feeds. Most don't have their own Twitter feed. And 140 characters, with URL shorteners? Get real.
- LogEx
You are comparing apple and oranges. Using twitter as an RSS reader is almost as bad as following everyone back
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I still bookmark websites. Cause it works for me. But what do I know?
- Derrick
I still use Google Reader all day long, love the state save between mobile and desktop. I use it for the "hard news" stream, sans crowd commentary and noisy/redundant mashup of "friends'" likes. Great for following a multitude of obscure blogs.
- Allred
I see a pattern here: Tomorrow's provocative tweet is going to be: Ok, Google Reader is very much alive. The real question is when will Robert Scoble get back to blogging!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin. Twitter is my RSS, has been for months. I have not gone to Google Reader in months.
- Paramendra Bhagat
Dear Jesus, here we goez again! WHEEEeee, would this be it's 3rd Life or reincarnation if you're a practicing Buddhist? Or maybe see what's up, give em call...
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble - Have you tried to use Email notifications or their Adobe Air desktop notifications? They are sorely lagging by 15 minutes or longer. No longer "real time"
- joebrooks
Ok, that's just a bit too provocative -- I can't think of a single major service that Twitter can claim to replace, and Reader, one of the best apps on the web, certainly ain't one -- maybe if Reader had a "random crap" feature, that's where Twitter would encroach
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree. Google Reader *is* dead. It's certainly been very dead for me. I use it basically only to post articles to Twitter and FriendFeed. Lately I've been doing less GReader sharing and more favorites on Twitter.
- Dennis Jernberg
Or rather, GReader's dead as a social network type thing. It remains very good at what it is: a Web-based RSS reader. But I do like the fact that you can share articles to Twitter, FF, Facebook, etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hmm? Google Reader and RSS are fantastic. I am not impressed by Twitter favorites. Also not impressed by comment bait. :) Carry on.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is only a meta-stream. You give up comprehensiveness for sheer popularity and randomness.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I will stop using Google Reader when blogs and Web sites start publishing, replaced outright by Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Poor Louis - he keeps getting picked on today :-( (sorry - I started it)
- Jesse Stay
I want a better tool for the job - nothing does what Reader does for me right now. I wish Reader would focus on that aspect and not the comments or likes or such. Build a solid (not slow) platform for sharing and reading the news. Make the UI less confusing. Then maybe they could socialize it. Regardless I won't switch because there's nothing that gives me news and lets me share it like Google Reader does now. I just wish it was better.
- Jesse Stay
Now Twitter is better than Google Reader? I guess I'm using all these technologies the wrong way because I use Google Reader waaaay differently than Twitter. I'm starting to wonder if someone brainwashed Scoble at the last Twitter event or something... it's getting a little bizarre.
- Jan Ole Peek
Welp, I'm using it so it's not dead to me.
- Shawn Farner
The recent spike in the 'dead' meme is just plain odd. Is it an expression of having too many things to do? The need to have some losers, and hence a desire to be on the side that does the killing? Would we prefer a Microsoft-like monopoly, or a limited Microsoft/Apple/Linux-like menu? Is attention too frazzled to tolerate and even enjoy a wide ecosystem of tools?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, it's just a slow news week I think. As Scoble said, we're kind of in an in-between period right now and it's frustrating.
- Jesse Stay
I still use Google Reader the same way that I've been using Google Reader for months - namely, to share items of interest to my Google Reader and FriendFeed followers (and now, my Facebook followers who see my FriendFeed entries). Perhaps it's worthwhile to note that I don't use Google Reader as a social network; I can't ever find the comments that are attached to Google Reader items.
- John E. Bredehoft
Big shrug. Feeds are feeds. I don't love any of the interfaces. Growing fonder (sigh) of FB, though, as a hub for all of it. (No pink sheep though. Please.)
- Kathy Fitch
I never really use the Google Reader interface. But integrating with feedly is great.
- Nils Sandin
What are your guy's thoughts on bloglines.com?
- Eric Vreeland
I consider that del.ici.ous should move towards twitter-like or friendfeed-like functionality. Or perhaps google's equivalent of del.ici.ous (could never figure out what that is actually called and how to get back to it each time) should blend in a jaiku layer.
- Ian Tindale
+ to Louis G calling it...approximately, more accurately though: load deflection disguised as link bait,
- sofarsoShawn
Consider how "retweeting" would have turned out if "twitter favorites" were listed in your own twitter timeline/feed. Twitter favorites are the greatest example of a feature that never was.
- Andy Bakun
retweeting has found me many folks to follow I almost never check favorites counter intutive use of time an attention as the flow of tweets go by and I'm holding a conversations
- WarLord
Of course you never check twitter favorites, it's has like zero social utility on twitter, they only ever show up if you click on someone's favorites list.
- Andy Bakun
well as long as everyone agrees ff is alive :D
- Mike Chelen
Another question: Why are you using Louis Gray as a model?
- Amit Morson
Amit: Because we all agree that Louis Gray is our perennial model. Obviously. :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Google reader is an information option for me as well. Different channels give me diverse looks on the stream. 2D plots are dead because 3D plots exist, not in this reality Robert.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I find this interesting that Scoble wonders why people use an RSS reader, but wants more human curation. People need to seed the sharing, and those people are using RSS readers. Twitter would be helpful if there are a group of people curating news for you, then the most popular items continue to get shared.
- Rob Diana
@Diana, I totally agree. There's not enough information density on Twitter when compared to the compact layout of Google Reader. I can see which feeds have new items, I then select a feed and scan headlines, drill in and read one or two stories from each, mark the rest as read. Twitter is just a pile of noise compared to the organization that comes with RSS. I do share a ton of links out of Reader into my Twitter stream though.
- Crutis
Robert, Not everyone cares so much about real-time .. some of us actually want to find something other than what's hot today or last week. We might even want to have a "conversation" that's semi-organized.
- Chris Myles
It's not about information density for me. It's also about quality of content. There are a lot of great writers who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
another one of those incredibly naive " x technology/service is dead article". Sure the social aspect of Greader may be "dead" but that wasn't Greader's real focus...Greader will keep on going because certain people use it in a way that can't be replicated by twitter/friendfeed or facebook...and people will keep on using twitter, friendfeed and facebook because as similar as they are can be they can be used in very different ways.
- David Rodriguez
Chris: me too. But I've been watching how Louis uses Google Reader. It's EXACTLY how I use Twitter (and we often find the same kind of stuff. Only I usually beat him in speed. But you can't see yet what I'm talking about because you don't have Twitter's lists feature.) See my favorites at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- a lot of what is there is what shows up in Google Reader too. But only Google Reader is slower, harder to deal with on the iPhone, and doesn't have a lot of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Amit: I used Louis Gray as an example because I like his Google Reader shares the most. They are very much like mine. Plus he's the guy who got me to come to FriendFeed so he usually is early in seeing things and it's fun to debate early early adopters. Just look at this thread!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was early adopter on GReader, then got bored.. once we get the low downs on a new software then it becomes boring and (a) we look for other stuff elsewhere ; (b) create community around the S/w component or just (C) just drop the product / software
- Peter Dawson
Unrelated question,sort of. Robert, why does your Twitter profile show friendfeed.com/scobleizer as your web page?
- Kenton
Seriously? No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us? We don't have that feature available, and, what's more, when we try to view someone else's lists, we get a 404 error. Hmm. Google Reader works for everyone. Maybe that's why people are still using it.
- Curtiss Grymala
I haven't explored much of the social interactions of GReader. If I comment on or like someone's shared feed, it's most likely through FriendFeed. I don't see myself using Twitter for what I use GReader.
- Arlan Koizumi
"No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us?" - LISTS are still in pvt beta mode only.
- Peter Dawson
Kenton: FriendFeed is still the best aggregator in the business. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
Curtiss: that's why I specifically called out Louis. He has access to the new list feature. So, it will be interesting to see if it changes his view of Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Arlan: I think you will, especially when you see lists. I have a list of just major news brands, for instance, and it's a better RSS reader than Google Reader is except if you want full text feeds.
- Robert Scoble
Of course many people want full text feeds. I get very irked at partial or headline-only RSS feeds, they usually get booted from my Reader subs. Twitter, with or without lists, has different purposes and different use cases than Google Reader.
- LogEx
LogEx: I used to be like that but then I freed my mind and got over the full text stuff. Mostly because Google Reader got to be VERY SLOW for me.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: people who unfollow just because they disagree just seem to be weak souls to me and I'd rather not hang around someone so weak. So, have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't a good social tool now, but it's the best tool for me for getting feeds from many sites, many of which are not represented on Twitter.
- LogEx
It's already done. You've stopped providing valuable previews of cool stuff and are now providing nothing but silly arguments about why x is better than y
- Joel Bennett
I didn't unfollow ya because I disagree with you (I *never* thought Google Reader was interesting), I unfollowed you because lately your signal:noise ratio is the wrong way up.
- Joel Bennett
Twitter Lists. I don't even have them yet, and I'm already tired of hearing about them :-p
- Joel Bennett
Well Robert, maybe I'm just following you in the wrong place.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: and over on http://www.building43.com I have a ton of videos where I show off new things and new ideas. Tomorrow Tapulous, who has the #1 iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Tapulous has my kids' favorite iPhone game
- Jesse Stay
Joel: I just went to your account and all I see is noise, no signal. So? Should I unfollow? No. Because personally noise is important.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, follow, don't follow - either way, makes no difference to me: I'm no social media "influencer," just a plain old dev. I follow people for news or because I know them, and I post to share or converse...
- Joel Bennett
I'll just put you on my noisy dorks list who threaten to unfollow because they are too lazy to look for the signal that obviously is there in the first place. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
It wasn't a threat, it was a done deal :-P Maybe it was lazy. Maybe it was just annoyance at the way this whole dead-not-dead crap is burying all the signal on FriendFeed lately.
- Joel Bennett
Robert. I just watched your kyte video. Good Q&A. I see how the lists can generate interesting metadata about people and sources, leading to a new "authority" race. To be fair how ever, I think that delicious has a lot of the similar metadata/tag information/count when it comes to sources. Do you mashable vs techcrunch comparison on delicious and you will see. So I guess you are right...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, this is fun watching and listening to you about the Twitter Lists but actually without being able to make a list, it's like a carrot... http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer
- Myrna
OK, so, I looked over your feed ... and I've realized that YOU don't actually cause the noise, per-se ... it's just that lately, the stuff that seems like noise to me are the ones that get bumped over and over with likes and comments from people defending FF against ya. Maybe I need to find a client that doesn't show the "bump" effect.
- Joel Bennett
Yup, he causes it alright, measured reaction ensues
- sofarsoShawn
Joel: that's called Twitter. OK, I'm outta here now! Running...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: maybe GReader is slow because you are attempting to feed too much into it? Funny, I have been a bloglines lover for a long time and finally 'got' GReader only to be told it's dead. Say it ain't so! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: I feed a LOT more into Twitter and it is a lot faster than Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
LOL. Robert, when I was personally impacted by divestiture in 1984, I observed that AT&T was dead. I also said, like a shot elephant it would run for miles and miles before it fell over. That's proven true. That dead elephant is still trying to escape. But it is a dead elephant. If GR is dead, it won't keel over any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Robert, you may feed more to Twitter and it's faster, but you're the metadata guy. GR and the GOOG have horsepower, momentum, computing and network resources that Twitter can't match for several years. They have the ability, like any real 800 pound gorilla, to overcome that.
- Ken Camp
Robert - All that said, I do agree that RSS readers like GR, are a phase that is on the way out. It's peaked.
- Ken Camp
I like the 'more...' to comment approach.
- Holly Rae
I don't agree Robert. Google reader fills a need for some people when it comes to consuming content. This is not saying that Twitter isn't a good consumption too.
- Seth Goldstein
The most damning thing is that no one from the FriendFeed team or Facebook has joined the community here that is talking about it to tell us what's happening in the future. That, more than anything I've written or said communicates the future of FriendFeed.
I keep hoping someone will tell me I'm wrong and will post a slide deck about the future of FriendFeed. But the lack of information is confirming what I'm hearing from my sources.
- Robert Scoble
Anika: geeks in both companies are online and working on a Sunday and last night is NOT the first time I've been talking about the lack of direction here. Also, over the last week lots of blogs have been posting about the traffic hit that FriendFeed has already seen.
- Robert Scoble
If there really was a team working on FriendFeed you BET they would contact us on a Sunday. They used to in this old days.
- Robert Scoble
Remember, Facebook has a PR team of more than 10 people. You think they aren't watching what people are saying about Facebook nearly 24/7? Not in my experience. They are the most engaged PR team in a new company I know of.
- Robert Scoble
The reality is that this is still a very useful service, and people stay because of the functionality and the community. There is no other service out there that accomplishes what this one does. There is still nowhere else to go.
- LogEx
LogEx: that's true, but it's also true that most people will go places where there's a clear future. Unless it's just to post non-consequential things. Me? This is both my fun time (which is why I'm still here) as well as my business (I won't be betting any of my business decisions on doing stuff here because of this lack of direction which tells me that no one is really working on FriendFeed actively anymore).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I understand the perhaps reasonable conclusions you're reaching, but breaking the silence could send too much signal to FB's competition when they'd rather send more silence which ends up, really, being noise.
- Micah Wittman
FriendFeed is like an old dying dog left out in the pasture alone; abandoned by its Master to die in the silence.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Most social network content is ephemeral. If people really want their stuff to have a clear future, they should own and host it on their own domains.
- LogEx
Robert, so maybe you're not giving their PR _enough_ credit. It's speculation on my part, granted.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: sorry, that dog don't run. Healthy companies signal future directions, even under NDA. It would be pretty easy to meet with a few members of the community, NDA them, and tell them what's going on. If Louis Gray came on here and told me he's under NDA and that I'm wrong then I'd feel much better. The truth is I've talked with people inside Facebook and I know what the former FriendFeed team is working on. Hint: it isn't FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I still wish they'd make it open source or something so that people could continue to develop on it. :S
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Susan, I don't think "human master - canine pooch" analogy really applies to Friendfeed team - community that's formed.
- Micah Wittman
By the way, Facebook meets with bloggers/journalists all the time to give us secret hints at what's coming. I've been to Facebook several times this year for just that. Facebook has no serious competition, by the way, so they don't make PR decisions based on what Twitter is doing.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I'm not most people then. If I find something that works, I prefer to stay put as long as it meets my needs. New things are nice, but I don't have time to constantly try out new services to see if they are better that what I am presently using. (That's why I follow people like Robert ;-)) The new shiny service would have to be significantly better than what I presenlty use to make me want to switch.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Do you have any services that offer the same functionality, are widely available, and actually have a future, Robert? How about offering a solution for once instead of just bitching?
- LANjackal
Robert. Can you reveal the information you have from your sources. Discussions where one person has information they won't reveal is frankly frustrating. If you have some inside knowledge yet continue to make statements like this and FriendFeed is dead? then it really is frustrating to the community.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
If your business is posting to social media, and you think your content is "consequential" based on how long it will be around on the web ... I think you've misunderstood the current moment in social media.
- Joel Bennett
There's much less interaction than there used to be - but I still have faith in the users. This (was) is a vibrant and interesting place to be - and that's testament not only to the people that made the site, but also to the people who breathed life into it. I'll be following friendfeed still, but i'll also be following the friendfeeders i've met here. I'm not sure where the future is, but it'll be something to do with the people here. I'm sure of that.
- Iain Baker
Micah - lack of innovation and development on FF platform will cause obsolesence soon. Social web apps must innovate or die. When Facebook acquired FF, we all knew that FF would wind down due to this. Communities will migrate to current platforms that meet their needs. I am sensing a large contingent of the FF community is about to leave FF, myself included.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Re Tina: IIRC she got laid off and is prolly busy trying to find new employment
- LANjackal
from IM
@Susan: "social web apps must innovate or die" really? tell that to Twitter, lol
- LANjackal
from IM
Robert, did Wolfram-Alpha indicate their future direction being a $50 iphone app? All I'm saying is Facebook's strategy may include support to FF that's not in a time-frame worth pushing through PR yet.
- Micah Wittman
My favorite thing about this whole "Facebook is dead, move on" campaign is that these guys are basically just trying to shoe you BACK to the service they talked most of you OFF of in the first place: Twitter. I'm still looking for their motivation.
- Joel Bennett
FB is dead? Anyone who's saying that in view of their soaring stats and the roaring success that FB Connect has been needs their head examined
- LANjackal
from IM
The way I see it, Robert, your constant bitching and declaring friendfeed dead is what is killing the community. While the software it runs on may be dead, the community is not. I have to separate it and explain it to you, because you don't seem to understand the difference and how being a vocal part of this community affects it. The more you put it down, the more people won't come here...
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- April Russo (app103)
Susan, social web apps need utility/affection by a set of users. If cutting/bleeding edge aficionados is the particular user set in question, then what you said generally holds true. But it's not the general case unless a true replacement (in this case for FF) is available.
- Micah Wittman
I don't think he's killing the community, he's just killing the community's participation with him.
- Alex Scoble
Robert. Can you advise the information you have from your sources?
- Johnny Worthington
I am stuck in the middle on this one...
- Allen Stern
Fair point, Alex. I think this issue needs the two Scobles to put their heads together and clear the air.
- Micah Wittman
Is Friendfeed dying ( if it is) because of it being purchase by Facebook, or by members reaction to that purchase? Did people forecast the death of Friendfeed and then leave, therefore creating the exact scenario they predicted.
- Kim Landwehr
Robert, doesn't this put the denouement on the donkey for all those who thought it too sharp a call to say what was going on in that sale and before it? It seemed fairly clear to me what had been going on mainly from seeing the actions at the time of the sale and "doing the math". As Aristotle said: "Plot is character"
- Melanie Reed
Some times the lab rats do understand and stop sniffing for the cheese, looking up at the lab coats above them with a knowing twitch of the whisker.
- Melanie Reed
Can FriendFeed be another StumbleUpon two years later? http://stumbleupon.com/sublog... EDIT: "I don't want it happen though. I hope FFers let me entertain us again on FB" (excerpted from http://ff.im/6pO0a in Japanese)
- NaHi
from f2p
I'm more of a social media *consumer* than I am a participant. From a consumer's point of view, FF is more interesting than its competitors. A nice place to hang out, enjoy, learn, and sometimes discuss. Less guesswork is involved in deciding whether to click through to sources. From a consumer's perspective, as long as it remains interesting there won't be a reason to move on.
- howard shippin
from BuddyFeed
Johnny: yes, my sources inside Facebook tell me that the FriendFeed team has been split apart and is working on Facebook items only. So far no one has refuted that.
- Robert Scoble
April: you can believe that I'm personally killing the community but that really is giving me far more power than I actually have. The community has dramatically changed in the last two months. The alpha geeks I follow and that I build my business around have largely left. Everytime I meet geeks at conferences they tell me they are not spending as much time on FriendFeed as they did before the sale to Facebook and that the lack of direction from the team is largely responsible for that.
- Robert Scoble
And, April, if you read my blog post you'll see that I believe a new community is already moving in here -- one that doesn't care if the technology will see new features.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not on FB that much, but do people from their team actually get involved on the site? Is that even possible, with the privacy controls? I said it on another thread: you can't serve two masters. If FB is paying the bills now, that's probably where erstwhile FF staff must spend their time.
- .LAG liked that
.LAG: yes. I have dozens of Facebook employees as friends over on Facebook and they do engage all over the place.
- Robert Scoble
.LAG: the head of PR at Facebook, Brandee Barker, even has a Twitter account: http://twitter.com/faceboo... and there are TONS of employees who hang out on both Twitter and Facebook like Dave Morin, head of Facebook's platform team.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: I did one of the first interviews with the FriendFeed and Facebook teams after the sale was announced (within the first hour) and even then you could tell that Facebook had no plans for FriendFeed's technology and mostly wanted the team. The fact that Gary Burd (who ran the Google Talk team and is VERY influential in Seattle technology) has already left speaks VOLUMES to what is going on behind the scenes. Guys like Gary don't leave if they are having fun and making a huge impact.
- Robert Scoble
April - Robert actions and Roberts threads have nothing to do with the death of Friendfeed. Robert's threads still have traffic and activity. The place where I see, where Robert would probably not ever be able to appreciate is the fact that there was once a time when a postless thread was impossible. Every single one of my threads had traffic. Even if it was one or 2 silly posts of...
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- Matthew DeVries
http://friendfeed.com/bwana that right there.....that is the saddest thing. That was once what I considered to be the most important account on Friendfeed.
- Matthew DeVries
That's a stupid call he made for himself
- LANjackal
from IM
I'm a new user. i quite enjoy what's here, at the moment. I can't say that I'm a sophisticated social networker, but I have already grown to trust many of the folk i've met here. Like someone earlier in the thread said, if enough of my friends on friendfeed decide to move on, i'll likely follow. i don't suspect that that kind of 'distant early warning' would arrive via Facebook.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
My experience on FF does not hinge on Robert. The community of thinkers and feelers will find a way to interact, here or somewhere else. By the way, some of us are left out of the loop 99% of the time when it comes to knowing what's next. Welcome to the club.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Matthew: you aren't the only one to notice this or tell me the same thing. Many won't point it out in public, either, because they just don't want to piss off those who are still here. Me? Being public with what I'm hearing, experiencing, deciding, etc is the way I deal with life and the conversations with others tend to either confirm the direction I'm aiming in, or they pull me back from the brink. So far not much has changed my opinion, and, in fact, has augmented it.
- Robert Scoble
Aron: Twitter is about to turn on lists. That's one feature FriendFeed had over it. Within six weeks they will turn on a new retweet feature that looks more like FriendFeed's "likes" than it looks like RTs, so that's another feature. Twitter is working on real time search and I'd expect them to turn on a much better search within six months. So, what's left? Comments. Those are added on...
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- Robert Scoble
I still get a lot of activity on my posts but it's not what it used to be. The big thing I've noticed is a rarely get new subscriptions yet I'm still quite active here. Going from getting several or more a day to one or so a week is a big indicator to me of FriendFeed's decline.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's time to open source FF. Start the chant.
- Todd Hoff
is it possible that things are levelling off, naturally? can growth, here or elsewhere, expect to be exponential forever and ever?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Brent, you bring up a salient point. For some, the constant movement is what they are really excited about more than the community. This is not to say that these ones don't enjoy the community, they obviously do. But they enjoy the "building" up of it. It's like getting trapped in the "I always want to be falling in love" feeling and never, as you bring out, get to and enjoy the natural leveling off. Some do enjoy that part. And there may be enough of them to keep this version of FF going.
- Melanie Reed
There's a problem with stasis, though. For one, it almost always leads to entropy and, for two, it means that there isn't an influx of new blood. It's the same people doing the same things having the same conversations. It decreases how dynamic the experience is. It becomes stale.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm not saying that FriendFeed's hit that stage yet but it most likely will. I'm still having a great time here but it's not nearly as exciting as it used to be and, no, that's just because the honeymoon period's worn off.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I respectfully disagree. It's like exploring a new path in an old garden. This is the place most people are either afraid to traverse or have not developed the discipline to want to go there. There are always new things yet to be discovered in the same relationship. We just get "ants in our pants" not wanting to sit still long enough to discover it. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, oh yeah? Well, you're WRONG! In all seriousness, I think it's two sides of the same coin. And I want both. It's why I hang out both on Twitter and FriendFeed. I get different (but good!) experiences out of both.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Matt - Yup, I've experienced the same thing as I have over 2,500 FF followers and now see a very low user engagement; whereas, in the past, I could get a ton of likes / comments on any topic. Now I see only crickets!! FF is dying.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, Its more about learning to "exult in monotony". ;)
- Melanie Reed
Hah. Sorry, Melanie, but when it comes to social networking, I'm definitely polyamorous.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I've just come to appreciate the wisdom of Solomon: that there is "nothing new under the sun". lol Or as Shania Twain would say: "That don't impress me much."
- Melanie Reed
With Friend Feed I can go to the site, and watch in realtime all the action going on with those I follow. I see Likes, Comments, Pictures, Nicely grouped and can type more than 140 characters if I want to. With Twitter, it's all a kludge to add on this and that and this client or that client and I just don't see how Twitter compares technically to FriendFeed at this time. Twitter was...
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- Keith Rowland
Yeah, the 140 character cap is the most baffleing thing that makes me wish FF wouldn't die and Twitter become king. I want more than 140 characters, I want it in real time, I want it in conversation, and I want it 100% free of super poke and my highschool neighbor's grand mother following me.
- Matthew DeVries
The truth is we know nothing more than a few weeks after the sale when the team commented that they will keep it going as long as they could. We all knew development would stop. We all knew it would run on auto-pilot. No one here seriously expects FriendFeed to continue forever but a lot of us aren't pulling the plug and walking out the door. Interaction is down, to be expected, and I'm...
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- Johnny Worthington
OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FRIENDFEED TEAM ISN'T INSTANTLY AVAILABLE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS! ALERT THE MEDIA!
- Glen Mistletoe
Glen, the last 13 words took your statement from accurate to inaccurate
- Matthew DeVries
What Twitter client are you using these hours anyway Robert? Have you checked out CoTweet?
- Matthew DeVries
Regardless of the Friendfeed team's lack of comments, the volume on some threads like this does prove to me that life still exists on FF. I will agree that the volume is lighter but nothing has officially shown me that Friendfeed is dead, only bogus news articles trying to create news...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Look at FriendFeed. Look at Facebook. Which one needs improvement? Of course the team isn't working on FriendFeed now. But they're still using it, and would be upset if Facebook killed it. Facebook values them. They won't kill FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
Mathew: I use Tweetie on iPhone for almost all Twitter tasks.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You also started it at 3am in the morning on Sunday - kind of a bad time to get their attention, don't you think?
- Jesse Stay
Social Media Epertistes are vampires, they'd shrivel up and die otherwise after a night full of exsanguination orrrrrrrrr we could just fwd. this to the Feedback Room [done]
- sofarsoShawn
Great, so its over? I wonder how many times the community is going to be willing to put themselves into something like this before we realise that all this stuff needs to move over to an open platform. I have a few great great communities die because of financially/politically motivated owners. shitty.
- Jason Strachan
Which reminds me: Anybody know how the OpenFF project's going?
- Dennis Jernberg
We had this discussion about the future of Friendfeed back when the buyout was first confirmed. We assume it's treading water, and maybe some day we'll be surprised by an update.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Vezquex, yeah - how many more times do you predict this will come up again? FriendFeed just gave an excuse for people to say something's dead. I predict this will happen many more times until it is actually dead or they start really vamping it up again. No one in this thread has the authority to know that.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe we will just roll our own waves.
- Sean Oliver
Let's stop comparing elephants to fleas. Even if having 10 PR people allowed Facebook to be the "most engaged" new company, adjusted against the number of inquiries originating from members, 10 people cannot support that volume. With 250 million (or how ever many more) members, the right level of PR staffing would have to be closer to 250 (one PR person per 1 million members) to get...
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- Rich Reader
Wow, I hadn't realized Bwana had completely left. Did he blog about it?
- Laura Norvig
I'm not sure if he blogged about it, Laura, but he certainly did talk about it...I'm surprised that he made his feed go dark as abruptly as he did.
- Alex Scoble
Laura, Alex, yeah that abruptness took me by surprise too. My iphone shed a pixelated tear.
- Micah Wittman
screw this thread.... Robert Scoble crushed my friendfeed fantasy... and you people are still talking about friendfeed being dead, Now let the damn thing die quietly thank you......
- Cjay
All Hail FriendFeed. FriendFeed is dead. Long Live FriendFeed. I like it better than wave, twitter, fb. If anything the signal to noise ratio has improved.
- Robert Higgins
Roberto (and the walrus): oh, really? Did you READ what Paul wrote? How does that differ from anything I've said?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you said FriendFeed is dead and Paul said it isn't. Keep in mind you're using said "dead" site to respond.
- Allred
Twitter is undernourished FF is chronically ill. FB is fat with clogged arteries and 10% of its users have disabled accounts including me.
- Darrell Hudson
Sounds like he was hoping for the divorce from the start, or has the type of sense of humor that knows nothing of appropriateness. Either way, it bothers me that society still sees this type of nonsense as 'news' - and I hate myself for being curious enough about it to have even commented.
- midnightgolfer
It's comforting to know that the Saudis are like the rest of us, after all.
- Donald C. Lindsay
Josh: "Brushing your teeth twice a day helps reduce potential for cavities."
- Louis Gray
We used to think tooth decay was caused by S. Mutans, a new study out of Stanford blames tooth decay on Drew's cancer.
- Greg Birch
Louis, I'll let that one slide. I think I am more specifically against the word "Introducing" in ads. I mean, it's not a person. And most ads are new things, so it's redundant and stupid, maybe even condescending. Just say, "Dayum, this stuff is great! Buy some!" and be done. I am such a marketer, huh.
- Josh Haley
Chris, we busted our butts to get this book two days before crossing back over the Atlantic. http://www.winebrandsblog.com/2009... None of the local stores could find the copies that the computer showed that had in store. Finally went to Amazon and express shipped two copies so we won't fight over them. The first two chapters show that the effort was well worth it, this is the real thing.
- randulo
W00t when your ready cmon out for a visit and I'll be your dental trust agent
- Greg Birch
from iPhone
Congrats Chris. I'm picking up a copy today. I'll let you know what I think of it later.
- Jeunelle Foster
Chris I am reporting back that I am on chapter 3 where you start off with Robert Scoble being a bad boy talking smack about Microsoft. So far that book is real hard for me to put down which means it's a good one. I'm trying not to pair you two off in a dual where there can only be one (highlander). I wonder which of you is the true "bad boy". So far the book is a winner :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Thanks for all the kind words. @Jeunelle - There can be more than one. : )
- Chris Brogan
Congrats Chris. I've got a copy yesterday and reading it here in Czech Republic just now :)
- Vlad Hrouda
BlackBerry doesn't seem to have that kind of restriction and those phones aren't blowing up. Steve just needs to have control over everything. I left a BlackBerry (where I installed pretty much anything I wanted) and went to the iPhone (where I can't have certain apps for reasons that defy logic). Starting to wish that BB had a true competitor for the iPhone.
- Shawn Farner
Using a tall photo also makes your account stand out when someone searches for you using Facebook's search: your entry will be 600 px tall while most others will be closer to 200 px. That is, at least, until everyone else catches on.
- Mark Alves
Was that one taken at the photo walk I missed yesterday?
- Greg Birch
Yes, Robert, I like that photo of you better, too. More engaging. I like the way your eye lines up with the camera. Different from the contact you made with your viewer in the older photo with your finger point. This visual contact engagement has more power to draw the viewer in. Very nice!
- Melanie Reed
I actually prefer the blog photo from a couple of years ago, when you looked like a kid.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Robert - awesome idea and great photo of you! Smart personal branding move to update your avatar pic and include a Building43 t-shirt in there!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I hate browsing albums on Facebook. They reduce the quality so badly to save on bandwidth.
- Aviv
Sorry about that -- it should be good now. When there's too much activity from a single IP, that triggers abuse protection. We need to somehow be smarter about not blocking events though.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks, Paul! We had a minor heart attack here. The speaker (about spam and SEO) had just finished and asked for questions from the audience. Someone called out, "Do you know why FriendFeed is down?!" I don't think he was expecting that question.
- Rochelle
Think I was having some trouble earlier.
- Rob Schieber
Maybe the only thing that makes me glad I'm not at Gnomedex. Otherwise, I still wish I were there (didn't find out about it soon enough)...
- Dennis Jernberg
It was just the animated commercial that was too over the top.
- Akiva Moskovitz
He's building and building but what's the point here? Just for us to feel sad? I need some kind of resolution or whatever.
- Rochelle
I collect money around the office every year and go hand out socks/stocking caps/food cards etc around Thanksgiving/X-mas time... would be willing to organize a FF group outing if anyone is interested in joining.
- SAM
Scott is mobilizing social media! Let's do it. The Union Gospel Mission does that and also has a van that runs on super cold nights in Seattle, delivering blankets and warm drinks and bringing people to shelters.
- joey
Actually he is dead bang on target - we (wife and myself) volunteer our time doing exactly what he is doing. Seattle First School, the shelters, you name it, this is one way we give back.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I think the point here is that we are smart people. We are influential. How can we help? How can YOU help?
- DaveDelaney.ME
When I was involved in the ballet world, we collected socks for kids each winter and delivered them to the shelter in Everett. We had some catchy slogan about dancers having warm feet and sharing that with kids.
- Rochelle
The point: you can use technology and social media for things more real and important than just talk about social media on the echo-chamber. Call it manipulative, but I think he's dead on. How can we move one step further and make a difference?
- gui ambros
Don't get me wrong: I support this guy completely. I just feel like the animation was too much. The interviews and whatnot are far more effective. Do I really need the super-sad music and the child's voice? Nope.
- Akiva Moskovitz
How is there not a point? I think it is pretty easy to come to your own conclusions when watching and listening to the stories. At least for me, I don't need him to tell me what sort of action I need to take. I just need to do something, and I will. I'll talk to my wife about it over the weekend.
- Andru Edwards
Find something you think needs to be solved, and give the what you can give them. We choose time rather than money.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
We started doing it ourselves because where we volunteered as a family got overcrowded around the holidays. They would literally ask volunteers to cut only half a carrot so the next person helping out at the food kitchen would have something to do.
- SAM
I think I'm just jaded and have a unique perspective because prior to having Audrey, I was a social worker/case manager for low-income people in Seattle. This is all very familiar to me because of that.
- Rochelle
Same here, but even though you can't solve all the problems you go after the ones you can at least help with. Feel pretty strongly about this, there is always a way to give back. The largest mental health hospital in Washington is King County Jail, didn't know that until we started helping out where we could.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Scott, good point. People get so excited to volunteer like that around the holidays but then shelters and other programs struggle for volunteers and help in the summer and other times of the year.
- Rochelle
Yeah, I grew up in foster care. lived in 23 homes between ages 4-6, then another home from 6-14 that was mentally abusive, etc. I was (thankfully) a really strong person, and grew up really fast, and took care of myself. But having lived it, I know a lot of others that grew up the same way and their lives ended up very very differently. I'm the exception, not the rule, since I get to...
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- Andru Edwards
If we can take something from this, it's a wake-up call in terms of how we're using technology and social media. This guy is doing one example and doing what he's up to. Others are helping people on shelters. Others are helping against cruelty to animals. Pick a battle and use the arms that you already use anyway.
- gui ambros
It just got really loud. And then I heard the word "tampons." O_O What did the guy ask?
- Danny Minick
Amazing coments. Akiva, yes toiletries are great contributions to local food/non-perishable banks but also to different np's like the one I work with, FHL International. We're working hard to match up people with needs, engaging with Habitat for Humanity(but also just seeing renovation needs in your own neighborhood and doing it and encouraging others to get on board for it),cultivating...
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- Melanie Reed
You have to write "Robert Scoble" or "Scobleizer", otherwise he won't find it.
- Bruce Lewis
Hehe, he texted me...so one way or another he got the message
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And for the record, he's flying out tonight...Glen Campbell and Robert must use the same travel agent or something...they keep missing the cool parties.
- Alex Scoble