So,the girl is the doctor. The boy the patient. She puts on a garden glove: "Okay, let's see what's wrong". Him: "It hurts here." Her: "Hmmm, I see. Hold still. This is gonna hurt. A LOT!" She gives him a shot, he cries. She says, "Now get some annierobotics and you're good as new." Then they both ask me for lollipops. - Anika Malone
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I have always had the utmost contempt for how we've treated the Native Americans. A no-win situation that disgusts me. I agree COMPLETELY - Tutivillus Grift
It's interesting that one of the reasons for the fight for independence of the original 13 colonies of north america was so it could renege on treaties signed by the british crown to halt expansion westwards into more native american territories. - alphaxion
Yeah, you're right. My people were complete newcomers and bought Palestine for a bag of beads. NOT. - Michael R. Bernstein
Still, it's an interesting analogy. What if Native Canadians were firing rockets from Vancouver into Seattle and Portland? - Michael R. Bernstein
@Michael You're right, it's not exactly the same. But I'm hoping I can point out to both sides of the argument the similarities between the two situations. - Shey
@michael r. bernstein - They'd have every right (marrying a Haida) - Tutivillus Grift
No. Reason 1 - non-native Americans cannot claim that their ancestors lived in the country previously. - Ontario Emperor
No. Reason 2 - while non-native Americans and Israelis often fled because of religious persecution, the non-native Americans cannot claim that the European governments were intent on exterminating their entire religious group. (Perhaps someone will disagree with me on this point, but I assert that the Spanish Inquisition wanted you to convert or die, while the Nazis just wanted you to die.) - Ontario Emperor
No. Reason 3 - after 1812, foreign powers did not arm the native Americans in an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government and wipe the non-native Americans into the Atlantic Ocean. - Ontario Emperor
Israel the country is the result of a treaty agreement (simple explanation, I know, but sometimes simple is best). I do see your argument for the USA being founded as imperialistic, but then so are most other countries. Do we cede Europe and Asia back to original African settlers? - Mark VandenBerg
how about we take every person that fights over scraps of dirt into space and make them look down on our beautiful planet. Get them to realise how small they really are and how pointless our battles over territory serve to do nothing but spread misery and suffering and hamper the potential within us all. - alphaxion
disagree, but i see where you're coming from. it's not as neat an oppressor versus oppressed parallel as it is with aboriginal/indigenous americans. what is now israel was carved out of colonial territory by the US and UK. and i could be wrong on this, but many zionists are indeed newcomers (i.e. Jews of European not Semitic extraction) to the region. but gaza and the west bank also function as defensive buffer zones. they're not territorial acquisition in quite the same way as u.s. expansion was. - tiffany. lowercase 't'
At what point do we, the world, just accept that this is an ongoing sibling rivalry that started between Jacob and Esau and let it finish with no more involvement? - Mark VandenBerg
I'm sorry Mark, but this has nothing to do with religion. The US and the UK created this mess by allowing the formation of Israel in the first place. The US and the UK should fix it. - Alejandro S.
@Alejandro What about the Native American situation -- what should the US and Canada do to fix that? - Shey
Note that all of the Arab middle-eastern countries are the result of the same treaties. Israel isn't unique in that regard. - Michael R. Bernstein
shey: apart from going back in time and saving the tribes that were annhilated there's little they can do. Unless you agree to handing over large tracts of land back to them and balkanise the the USA. Don't forget that Mt Rushmore is a Native American sacred monument. - alphaxion
@Alejandro What part of my comment was religious? - Mark VandenBerg
I'm not informed enough on the Native American situation to answer that, Shey. In regard to Palestine, the US and the UK should help creating a Palestinian state. The only reason it still doesn't exists is that the US won't force Israel to negotiate. - Alejandro S.
Tiffany, you are wrong on that point. A large portion of Israel's jewish population were refugees from surrounding Arab countries fleeing persecution. Israel granted them citizenship. Whereas Palestinians (fleeing with far less justification) were herded into refugee camps and kept there for the past 60 years by their Arab 'brothers'. Israel inherited that problem when it conquered the territory that the camps were on. - Michael R. Bernstein
Mark, this has nothing to do with Jacob and Esau. It's about Palestinians being displaced from their land in the 20th century. - Alejandro S.
Note that when Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel in return for Israel returning the Sinai, Egypt *refused* to take Gaza back. - Michael R. Bernstein
@Alejandro How should the US and the UK "fix" the problem? - Mark VandenBerg
I already answered that Mark. See previous reply. - Alejandro S.
Alejandro, the displacement was not one-sided. Did you know that there were Jews living in Gaza City until 1929 when the Palestinians rioted and forced them all to leave? - Michael R. Bernstein
Alejandro, the Arabs had their chance in 1947 but they rejected the Partition Plan and went to war instead. Now you want the US and UK to 'fix' the problem by helping create a Palestinian state that the Arabs rejected in the first place? The Jews were ready for a two-state solution from the outset but the Arabs want all of the land for themselves and they continue to want all of the land for themselves. - Akiva Moskovitz
Palestine refugees weren't accepted by the Arab countries, that's true, but Israel also denied them citizenship. - Alejandro S.
Akiva, Israel also wants all the land for themselves. How do explain the expansion they have had in the last 60 years? The way they keep all the humanitarian help, food and medicine, from reaching the Palestinians? That's why the US and the UK should force both parties to negotiate, - Alejandro S.
Alejandro, that's not true. Israel, from the beginning, has always welcomed Arab citizens and, in fact, begged many to stay. Most chose to leave of their own accord to live in Arab-controlled countries. - Akiva Moskovitz
Yeah, I'm going to agree with Akiva. 60 years ago they could have had what they are now fighting for. In hind-sight it seems they chose, poorly. - Mark VandenBerg
The past should be irrelevant when there's massive loss of life going on. All hostilities should cease immediately regardless of who's right or wrong. - Tad Goes to 11
I'm trying to understand what business it is of ours what is going on over there. Let Israel and Hamas fight it out and be done with it. It's not our business to be the worlds policeman. Whenever we do get involved, some country or group of people get's pissed off at us anyway. - Jason Shultz
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Google Translate, or "LangMang" as I derisively call it (since it seems to be more effective at being a Language Mangler). Seems about on par with BabelFish, though. - Tyson Key
Google, Babelfish, and FreeTranslation.com depending on how I want to understand the translation. Babelfish is more like transliteration then translation. FreeTranslation tries more to translate meaning a little more. Google is just quick because its part of Ubiquity. - xero
Sometimes I wish it was less "guide" and more guiding principle. - Steve Spalding
*sigh* I want to be both. FF wouldn't be any fun if I were just finding stuff to put in here but not enjoying the content anyone else was sharing. - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
I'm so busy trying to plan how to be interesting, I don't have time to be interested. Consequently, the planning also gets in the way of actually being interesting. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I honestly think the second becomes easier if you pay attention to the first. If you care about what others are saying, you'll find all sorts of interesting places for input. - Steve Spalding
@chris Heck yea, a lot of hard work goes into trying to be consistently interesting. - Steve Spalding
It's a basic concept. Everyone's favorite topic is themself. So, when involved in conversation, if all you do is ask open-ended questions based on the content of what the other person is saying, the other person will regard you as a great conversationalist, even though you have said nothing. Try it! All great salespeople know this concept cold. - Mark VandenBerg
my momma always said 'interested people are interesting'. - Morgan Haley
Really Mark, all you have to do is ask open-ended questions? That's so interesting. :D Nah, you're definitely right, I think the NLP set have that as part of their canon as well. - Steve Spalding
The Canon. I'd have so much more fun with a zippy camera than a Big Mac. - Mike Neumann
Probably the computer. I'm happy with the first gen 5D I'm about to buy and as awesome as the camera is, the MBP doesn't need another $5K in lenses. - Derrick
Neither, you need at least twice that for glass & equipment to get the "rig" you should want for a Canon MKII - sorry, 3K isn't enough for that toy; and spending 3K on disposable technology (Mac equipment) isn't a wise investment. - Enrique Gutierrez
Considering I can make quicker cash with my Photography work I would say the Canon 5D MKII and then I would buy the Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro with some of my earnings! - Patrick Greer
Um, food. Yeah, yeah, I know...moving on... - Patrick
5D Mark II. And then throw the remaining towards some new glass. - Andy Hannon
2k into the bank, 1k for computer upgrades and other stuff. - Grant Bierman
5D Mk II everytime ... unless I don't have a Mac at that particular time ... - Stephen Taylor
I've already got the 15" unibody so I'd go for the 5Dmkii - Sparky
If I didn't have a laptop, then I would get the 17" MBP. If I already had a lappy, then get the camera... - William Sellers
Well, I recently moved from a 30D to a 5DMII because it was a huge upgrade for my "system". With a 2 year old Macbook Pro still serving me well for my needs, it's an easy decision. Additionally, I can't see using a 17" notebook over a 15 for portability sake, I'd just as well get an iMac and keep using my Macbook Pro for mobile use. - Ryan
Aren't you in Vegas? I think there are a few other options in front of you.. - JonSupermurray
MacBookPro 17-inch. I am a Nikon guy. So, Canon 5D MKII if I had $7K for all the lenses, too. - Chintan Zaveri
The camera! I already have the 15" MBpro. 17" is just too big. - Sherry Main
My 1 yr-old MacBook doesn't thrill me; it sits on the desk unused, and I just couldn't pay more than $200 for a camera, unless I was dreadfully rich. - MiɳiMagɘ is EnderMage
5DMKII - sell some images on istockphoto, and then buy an MSI Wind and install OSX. It is faster than my 15" MBP! - Darren Mak
Neither. Maybe 3 coins :). I have a Macbook Pro which I don't use often comparing to my PC. I am not into the consumer electronic stuff, only got a digital cam last year :). - dexin
Canon. Can't believe Apple ditched the matte screen on the 17" - FCP users and photographers don't want a glossy screen - the idea of the 17" is the ability to use it out in the field for photo/video editing. - Peter Clayton
So limiting, Robert! If I could pick whatever I wanted, I'd get one of those sweet Asus multi-touch netbooks coming out - and then use the rest to buy Yahoo! stock. :P - Shawn Farner
MB 13'' and the external cinema display. MBP17 is huge to carry out - Jean-Charles VERDIE
17" MBP FTW! You should create a poll on SocialToo.com Robert, then we can see graphed results! - Joseph
I'd get the Mac Book Pro because cameras require something to take a picture of. The only photos I have are screenshots of the sweet Purps on my Blood Elf Priest. - Morgan Collins
Well part of it would have to go towards fixing my car, http://preview.tinyurl.com/9dz.... Then the rest would go towards buying a second camera body to be my main and at least one lens if not two. Then the rest would go towards bills. - mathew, keynote not lame
Robert: Apple products plus awesome SLR cameras...response is a given :) - Mo Kargas
the camera is nice - especially all the HD video. friend of mine in the movie post-production business reckons this sort of Camera will KILL the movie camera business in a few years time. especially at the low-budget movie (<$30 million) of the movie business. RED already making big inroads. much cheaper than an ARRI. - Scot Mcphee
The MK II as I already have the MBP 17 inch...older but it works. - Semipro
Canon 5D is the winner for me. Great digital photography is the gift that keeps on giving.... ;-) - John Uppendahl
Well.... Given that I have 4 PC desktops, 2 PC laptops, and 1 iMac, all of which are operational and regularly used, AND that I suck at photography, I'm going for what's behind door #3: A whopping big HDTV -- which will get hooked up to the living room PC, of course. ;-) - Joanmarie
I'd go the MacBook - but I'd also load it up with the full 8gb of RAM I see as an option (and not many people mentioning). Sadly, a nice 17" MBP setup it just over NZ$10k :( - Mark Derricutt
MacBook Pro. Hands down. I'm a computer engineer, not a photographer. - Logan Leger
well since I've already got a Canon 5D Mark II... hmmmm... - Thomas Hawk
I'll buy neither. What I would rather do is try to buy one share of BRK-B if it gets to that price. :) - imabonehead
The 17" Mac Book Pro, I already have a 5D MkII ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson
I'd buy the camera, I have always loved photography and wanted to learn. - Ruth Ferguson
I would take the cash and build an ultimate gaming PC !!! :D - ralphsaunders
When you buy an inexpensive camera, you really sacrifice quality, and that lack of quality endures (you want to keep your photos forever, right?). When you buy an inexpensive computer, that's not the case (I don't need a unibody case :) - David
Ouch, this one hurts. I suppose I can't opt for a Nikon equivalent to the Canon? If this is the choice, I'd opt for the MacBook Pro. But if I had 3K, I'd buy myself the Nikon D300 - Karoli
The Canon. A 17" laptop is too big unless you plan to use it as a desktop. - Hartley Spurlock
Mac for sure.I have a first generation Macbook and I need a new one. Kaya Singer - Kaya
I'd pay off my credit card. For all that stuff I, like, already bought. - Jandy Stone
the Macbook pro but only because I need to upgrade my computer. - Anna Lynn M.
I would save it until I had between $8-15K for a CO2 laser cutting machine. I like my macs small, and while full frame sounds nice, I know I'm not nearly hungry enough to go pro in photography, so 40D suits me just fine. - Jason Wehmhoener
That's a tough one because I have been wanting to get my first Mac (have to start somewhere, right?!) but am a hard core Canon fan/user. So if push came to shove, I would have to go with the Canon. - Laura Zickus
That would be either a trip to another continent or a Fujitsu LifeBook P1630, but it would not be either of the options in the question. I seriously cannot understand $3k for a camera, unless you're going to make that money back in a month or two WITH said camera. - MiɳiMagɘ is EnderMage
Neither, I would invest in the stock market. - Denton Gentry
I'd prefer a D300, however no matter what brand I'd take the camera in a second over the MBP. Save up another $500 and get a Windows Notebook as well. - Kenton
The Canon 5D MKII for sure. Cameras bring me a lot more joy than flashy computers. Though a 17-inch MacBookPro would be nice to edit those new photos on too ;-) - Ian Holton
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Probably the Mac. I would never carry around a DSLR. Too big. - Rodfather
Neither. The new full frame format with HD Movies (wow! Woopee *rolls eyes*) is crap - only 3.9 FPS?! Who are they kidding?! - Adam
Seeing my Macbook Pro is 5 months old. I would buy neither...but I would buy a MacPro with more RAM. - Ryan
I take a cruise with Lindsay - big ass stateroom. - Tad Goes to 11
Neither, I'd get a Canon Rebel XTi and build a new gaming PC, anything left over would go toward the new home NOC - xero
If I had the $3,000, Canon 5D and a larger donation here http://tinyurl.com/daniela Pros: it's more portable, takes better pictures, and connects to my more compact 15" Macbook Pro. Of course, it doesn't work with my Nikon lenses, so... - Lee Dale
Canon 5D MKII only cause I have a Macbook Pro. If I didnt it would be the Macbook. - Bob Maltais
Nah. Patrick's college fund. 5D Mark 2 or the Macbook isn't all that exciting. - Joshua Hayworth
cannon.I kill computers, so not worth spending 3 grand on one. Plus I have a (beat up) macbook pro already. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Photos shoot at 3.9 fps, video shoots at 30 fps. @AdamGiovane - Jim Bergman
the new MBP, without a doubt ... my current ones needs a refresh (I'm accepting donations btw) ;-) - Jeffrey Canton
Since I'll be getting the new MBP anyway, I'll take the 5D. BTW, is anyone keeping score? - Brad
I would buy the Canon, but of course, I would need a MacBook Pro in order to edit/view the photos the way they were meant to be viewed. - Robert Peña
Blatant self-promotion, but if Robert used re-searchr.com it would keep score for us... I wrote it to suck down inline multiple choice selections so no ne would even have to leave ff - James Ostheimer
Robert, you're asking the question that's been pondering in my mind from some time (albeit it used to be with the 15" and Cinema display v. 5D/a900/D700 -cannot make my mind-). I want to be able to make a decision before March. I think I'll be going for the Mac, since I might relocate in part of the world where carrying an expensive piece of art around my neck might be more dangerous than here, in JPN. - Paul Papadimitriou
I'd go for a MBP, mine needs an upgrade and I just bought a 50D not long ago which is just fine for me. - Andrew Trinh
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More lenses. My camera is fine, and this Thinkpad is a good 'un. - Paula Wirth
Seems like Apple design the 17-inch MacBookPro just can use in 3years.the battery can only use in 1000 times,1time per 1day,3years.But Canon 5D can take more beatuful pics for me,and can stand by me more than 3years.if i really have 3000dollers,i real do this.kick off 17-inch MacbookPro. - jedorstar
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Wow, I came late to this convo. Well, for what it's worth at this point, I'd probably get the lappytop, sell my old MBP and then use THAT money to buy a cheaper camera. :D - Jonathan Hardesty
Canon 5D MKII, no doubt. I have a 1.5 year old 15-inch MacBookPro which is still more than OK. Going from Canon 400D to a 5D MKII however would be a major upgrade. - Rutger Blom
Macbook I think. I have a 40D but REALLY want the 5D. Which do you think you could get your hands on first? - Andrew Smith
The $2800 MBP becomes a lot more compelling when converted to 2080€. - Brad
I'm a Nikon guy but the 5D MKII has me seriously considering a switch - Bryan Thatcher
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As I don't like Macs and into my photography the choice out of the two is simple. :-) But I've rather spend the money on say the Nikon D3 and if you gave me an extra grand or 2 then I'd go for the Nikon D3X. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
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Without though, the Canon 5D MKII. First up, you don't want to trust another "first gen" Apple product. And with the unimpressive lineup yesterday, maybe the 15" laptops are coming out real soon now, with similar features, and all quirks ironed out - Colin Charles
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17-inch macbookPro is way too big. so I would go for the camera. Problem is I would need to learn how to use it then... - Davide D'Incau
If you have good lenses to take advantage of the MKII (extra $3000 needed here), go for the camera! - Joao Pedro
I would buy a Apple 17-inch macbook of course.! I don't have an apple and I would really like one. I have a camera thats good enough for me. - Larsen aka Qbat
nor this neither that! i will send money to help people in Gaza or at least I'll send 1000 $. - خیزران
I would buy the Mac, get a cheaper camera with the money I have left, and edit and enhance my videos using my Mac. - Shevonne Polastre
I'd go the Mac route. I'm looking to buy one anyway and I've already got a camera. Might not be as fancy as the Canon do-dad, but I'll manage. - James Ferguson
Wow 202 comments! How did I miss this thread? :) - AJ Batac