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Did FriendFeed sell after seeing Facebook Lite? That's VERY interesting and answers a few of the troubles I am having with Facebook.
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Paul said he did not know FB lite before
- K.D.
your guess is as good as mine
- Lipanantsi
good conjecture... guess we'll find out soon.
- Nathan Chase
It's also why I'm taking a wait and see approach and not listening to any of the "jump" posts
- Jesse Stay
NO I am sure they are selling because wave is coming, why should they sell to FB if FB is currently working on mini FF clone akka FB lite?
- abdellah
I wouldn't be surprised if an 'open-garden' version of Facebook arises from the foundation of FB Lite, and that version will be very similar to Friendfeed.
- Mo Kargas
If true, would make a lot of sense. But as abdellah says Wave makes great sense too. btw: 6:00am ? early bird?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Alex: it's 8:07 a.m. here in San Antonio, Texas.
- Robert Scoble
well, if the friendfeed team takes over facebook lite it would be some good news.
- Mark Essel
I don't know where I stand on this, because while I don't use FF alot, I appreciate it. But I loathe FB as it slides into MySpace-ity.
- Trine Curtis
I agree with Trine there... I stopped using FB a while ago.. It was nothing more than a waste of time. At least with Twitter/FF it's useful interactions, most of the time. FB Lite looks interesting, but Facebook already lost me.
- Jared Quinn
just to add to what I said before, I think (mean speculating) the the new Google product that the executive Google told @robert S, may be a new Greader more social oriented, so let suppose that Greader change UI for a better (sharing+like) facility, what would happen?
- abdellah
My bet is on the obvious reason. They sold after seeing the pile of money
- Mirco
Facebook lite.... hmmm Isn't a hype? I read about 10 blog posts about this "project" this morning (I'm an early bird!) and I'm not convinced at all. Facebook is not a search engine, facebook is not a FriendFeed look alike even in a light version and groups in facebok are borings to say the less. The problem here is every web 2.0 sites or 2 dot 0 wannabe are trying to be 'expert' in...
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- Claude LaFrenière
Claude: Facebook is now a search engine. I disagree with you there. Mirco: sorry, $50 million isn't that much, I know Paul was hoping for a lot more when he started the company. In fact, Paul told me several times he wasn't interested in selling and wanted to go all the way and build an engineering-friendly environment.
- Robert Scoble
Mo: technology slowdown? Robert: its 11:16PM in Sydney
- Tyson
@abdellah Doesn't Google Reader already have a fairly decent like, comment, and sharing facility? It seems fairly complete to me aside from the fact that it does seem to gather social media reactions and display them inline. But neither does Friendfeed.
- Jim Reverend
from email
So you are saying he sold FF for whatever he could get before getting wiped out by a competing product? Hmm. Kinda makes me wish we could have seen the competing product slug it out instead.
- Trine Curtis
@jim, it is all about the perception that the UI may induce, for the moment Greader is just like any FeedReader, with some social feature enhancement, let think about a new design that bring all the social feature in the top of the scene reither then trying to hide them. a better UI should be a Thread based one) like in FF, at Greader it is a feed oriented one.just question (how long is the shared like conversation you have in Greader), at the best I will say a feed commented by ome people that all.
- abdellah
@abdellah I see what you're saying. And you're right, Google Reader could do well with a new UI that really highlights the sharing and social aspects that an online Feed Aggregator is really made for.
- Jim Reverend
Esp. for emerging markets, where many have no laptops but everyone has a mobile, FB Lite is brilliant move. It also moves Twitter closer to the dumb pipe many of us have been using it as w/FF (soon FB?!) being our primary aggregation of our stream. Twitter becomes a pure channel that lot of people use but noone ever goes to. But re Google, picture this - they (finally, now) pick up...
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- Thom Kennon
Facebook will destroy friendfeed, most likely, :(
- imran
Facebook Lite may be just a version of Facebook for bandwidth saving: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... It's quite possible: not only users with slow internet connections got poor Facebook-browsing experience, but also Facebook itself spends lots of money on abroad traffic and would gladly shrink these expenses.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
FBlite does seem to lend credence that part of the reason FB bought FF was to avoid legal liability, as it brings more outright FF functionality online.
- Christopher Galtenberg
What triggered FF sale would be kindoff a mystery for The time beign, given the needs of capital for a steady growing perhaps FF FOUNDERS decide to play it safe, get less but get it now and keep developing under a better capital capture company; as for FB LITE we'll need to see what its focus would be aimed so that in future retrospective confirm or denie that it was the reason of the sale.
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
can someone answer me about iGoogle as social hub and answer 2 FB lite perhaps
- polou/indigo_bow
Hard to know if the FriendFeed team knew about FB Lite and if it precipitated their decision. Guess they saw they were lagging in terms of network effect and that it was hard to forecast if they would ever gain more momentum that they already had amongst some early adopters. It might have been the best time for them to tie their future up with a bigger player.
- Paul Papadimitriou
@robert and all, have any one checked the improvement of GREADER (damn it is worth caps) , in Greader the answer to the question why FF sell to FB.
- abdellah
Oh, I totally get why friendfeed doesn't do profiles now. Google is doing those. Google is also doing app platforms with Open Social. So, add friendfeed's feed + Google Profile + Google Open Social. What do you have? FACEBOOK KILLER!
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There's a method to the madness. Googlers + Xooglers = Win.
- LogEx
Well, HMMM.
- Rochelle
Absolutely. That's encouraging.
- Michelle McCormack
FriendFeed gets bought by Google this year?
- Jesse Stay
Fewer profiles to maintain = Win
- Julie Bovee Hill
I've hear that line of thought before usually with the resulting equation being "Windows Killer" or "Google Killer" or "Cisco Killer".
- Adi
I suspect some kind of deal between Google and FriendFeed has already been done. I have a private account on FF. When I entered my FF URL on Google Profile, a full list of all my services feeding into my PRIVATE FF account showed up on Google Profile for me to add. Not sure I like that FF shared this info with Google, if that's what happened.
- Dominic Jones
I haven't seen anything from the FriendFeed folks that makes me think they'd want to be acquired by Google. I'd sorta like to see things go the other way, with the other components of a "facebook killer" offered by other smaller firms/teams and standards for interoperability and communication between the parts.
- Ken Sheppardson
Crazy! it seems to be getting to critical mass for the big players.. isn't this also something Microsoft are trying to do? i.e. their new stuff with profiles/links to other social sites.. but yes, I wonder if facebook has finished it's honeymoon? more open and flexible aspects with the stuff you mentioned.. i.e. google app platform etc.. but seems more open? good stuff though!! back into friendfeed... lost it for a while, but can see why it's so cool!
- David Sheardown
That's weird I just said that same thing a few hours ago here http://beta.friendfeed.com/techcru...
- Chip Ramsey
I like the fact that it just showed all my feeds coming into FF. Certainly makes it easier for me.
- Carl Joseph
Friendfeed bought by Google = I cancel my FF account faster than you can say "don't be evil."
- Shawn K. Quinn
@Carl For me it was kinda creepy. I'd like to know how Google knows what services I have coming into FF if my account is private and I haven't let Google follow me.
- Dominic Jones
Dominic, I was spooked when I first saw that too, but if your services are public and you use a consistent username, many of those may be coming simply from Googles search index.
- LogEx
FriendFeed doesn't have to get bought by Google. Both companies share the open web philosophy... interoperable technologies, portable data, etc.
- LogEx
@logical extremes Nah, it was the exact list of services I have coming into FF. Including custom feeds with inconsistent account names. Either Google keeps a record of each FF user (I switched from public FF to a private FF account about three weeks ago) or FF shares this info with Google.
- Dominic Jones
I would be shocked if FF shared private account details with the GOOG. Previously having your feed public could easily explain it.
- LogEx
You don't think it's interesting that Google is storing a handy little file on each FF user and all the services they have coming into their accounts? I find that intriguing.
- Dominic Jones
Dominic, just saw this... Matt Cutts says Google usses OpenSocial API to find services for the profile suggestion... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- LogEx
Ah, so it makes no difference if you have private account on FF, it's not private http://socialgraph-resources.g...
- Dominic Jones
YAY a Facebook killer !! Please say it is soooo!! YES!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Dominic, this is Google's Social Graph API, not a special deal with FF. As long as they have a cached version of your profile page, they will be able to find the services you were using.
- Pat Hawks
@ Pat thanks. Learn something new every day.
- Dominic Jones
For this to totally work; picasa (or one of the others) is going to have to become popular with the Google profiles, as well as getting tied into status updates from clients like ping.fm
- Keith Barrett
I think it's a whatever-Google-wants-to-snuff killer. Social media "sites" will become anachronistic. It's just going to be a layer on top of everything we do online.
- Chris Baskind
I have to admit, I got pretty gosh darn excited when I saw the vanity URL option last week for the Google Profile -- that's a really big step into the social space -- Google's stepping into the pool folks!! woo hoo!!
- Susan Beebe
This ain't nothing until it's done. Then it is still nothing until we start using it in large numbers :)
- DC Crowley
Dominic, you were indexed while that page was public; it hasn't been crawled since. The Social Graph API uses the same crawler as Google Search.
- Kevin Marks
I'm afraid I dont want to hand out all that market to google - fear it would kill experimentation and innovation in the field.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Interesting theory Robert, least you got your username I have had to settle for joe.dawsons from Gmail
- Joe Dawson
Hmmmmm...would it be sufficiently different from Facebook to entice mass migration?
- Heather
..but do you think we will follow the path - unless we are forced to?
- Sampad Swain
facebok killer would be interesting. But if non-techies over at facebook can't manage their site, how would they ever manage friendfeeed? Plus, the numbers of 200 million to 1 million is about a snowballs chance in hell.
- Peter Efland
An expanded FF profile would be nice (not on the feed page but something linked off it) but why Google's? I'm not arguing with you, Robert, just want to hear more of your thought on this please. #betakoltag-sg-profile
- Kol Tregaskes
I found that not all of the suggested accounts were correct but not surprised by the relative accuracy since I've already seen the same type of service elsewhere.
- Rick Bucich
Wonder when they'll get acquired then - late 2009? 2010?
- Nicholas James
FriendFeed getting bought by Google would suck: how long would it take for them to port the entire thing to Google's infrastructure? That's how long nothing would happen with FriendFeed. Think Jaiku and Google Voice/Grandcentral.
- Mark Trapp
Just exaggeration scoble...that won't kill facebook. That seems too nerdy for mainstream, as simple as friendfeed is it's still complicated for a shitload of people. I think you're too quick to dub new services 'facebook killers"
- Gordon Swaby
so when will this mutant start to kill? timeframe?
- Pico Seno
Maybe the word "killer" should be banned from any social networks/social media discussions. I'm tired of it.
- Jorge Escobar
ah considering Scoble effect... could this thread preventing the killer thing from happening? :D
- Pico Seno
All of these services are similar to the telephone system earlier in the last century. The more people on the service, the more valuable it becomes while at the same time the cheaper it is to provide to everyone. We're really just asking who will be the Ma Bell of the social networking world. Though I love twitter and friendfeed, many of the people I love are finally just using Facebook and are starting to use their status updates in a Twitter-like fashion.
- Chris Aldrich
It would be pretty interesting to see some sort of Open Social integration of Google Profiles into FriendFeed. As Logic Extremes pointed out, Google doesn't need to buy FriendFeed. That also doesn't seem to be its preferred modus operandi. Google's approach to the social Web is distributed and open. Some sort of Open Social integration into FriendFeed would be fantastic. Perhaps some kind of Friend Connect magic? Kevin Marks?
- Paul Jacobson
Open Social project is just awesome and gonna be very easy to implement. :) Lets how much it will turn up!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Robert how about a gentleman's wager: Google buys FF within a year. Then you can take me out for dinner. if they don't, then I take you out for dinner. This way we can talk about all this in person :-)
- Om Malik
Wow, that's an offer no one can refuse.
- imabonehead
You're onto something here, Mr. Scoble. :-)
- Nenad Nikolic
Robert I'm glad you get it - so many others don't'
- Chris Saad
Again, I predicted the acquisition. I said Google, but I was right on the year. :-)
- Jesse Stay
The newspaper industry just gave away another free meal, er Twitter: do they have any left? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Newspapers need to set up lacanica installs that then can post to Twitter. That way they could get their entire news orgs rolled up in a private label Twitter but still be part of the Twitterverse.
- Christian Burns
I've been talking with a few already - they're very interested in this
- Jesse Stay
and not for nothin'... but before you would hit JUST the Times for a theatre review, now you hit Critic-o-meter and get the aggregated reviews and get a broader scope of what critical opinion is.
- Travis Bedard
Jesse, radio, tv, every media outlet should have their own lacanica
- Christian Burns
I just created http://utahtalks.com for this reason - our local TV and print sources weren't providing anything useful. Now I'm going to get them to be the ones paying for distribution through our network (or maybe I can sell to them)
- Jesse Stay
lacanica isn't enough. Sorry. It's too late for just a clone of Twitter. That meal was given away. Now they need to do something else and head off the next meal being given away.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, oh, I plan on completely adding to the source and giving back to attack things like what you mention. Of course that's as I have time, but I agree with you - it needs much, much more.
- Jesse Stay
There is still a benefit to targeting smaller niches though - it's how Facebook started
- Jesse Stay
newspapers didnt give any of this away for free - most of it they never owned in the first place (i.e. many things were syndicated through others, eg: comics, weather, traffic, astrology), and the few things that they did own or were primary source for (local news, classified) they either a)dropped the ball in fear of harming print or b)tried but too early/too little (eg: in the uk they...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
As I've stated before, this could be implemented in a regular tweet (which could be "attached" to another "regular" tweet with a simple [hashed] unique tag) and transported over standard microblogging platforms, be interoperable between all of them (by lowest common denominators) and be implemented now. The tweet full of the compressed (and encrypted?) data would be read by the client software. If implemented in this way any tweet could add all kinds of metadata. http://guruvan.gurus.net/techbiz...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Joelle: when I say "own" I mean that in my mind that's where we all went to find those things.
- Robert Scoble
Fantastic breakdown Robert. Very comprehensive. I find the idea of a private search engine and invisible commenting very attractive. I'm gonna have to think on this more...
- Erica OGrady
from Friend Deck
it would be easier to find toasters if the post to twitter option in friendfeed had been enabled, suggesting remaining challenges in data portability
- Mike Chelen
Mike: Dave did Tweet about the Toaster Oven. You still won't find that with Twitter Search: http://twitter.com/davewin...
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - you are right of course, but I just wanted to point out that some of those the newspapers just had no right to use online (eg: comics etc) so they could do nothing. But in other areas (classified especially) they did hand over the market to others - often due to an unwillingness to compete with their print offering. But even if you withhold from competing with yourself, others...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
We mostly only buy the local paper for coupons and Sunday sale ads. All those ads are online at each store's site for free and we really don't use that many coupons. Something that they have reluctantly given away for free is TV listings.
- Jon Adair
I like the Twitter-like stack you describe using the bike purchase as an example. It could be a way to get advertisers interested again. A papers' ad side would be interested; the ed side might see a breach in the Chinese wall and wonder how it relates to the editorial product -- or wouldn't it necessarily relate?
- Amyloo
I really like your #7 - opening up the whole "news that hasn't happened yet" stream. Who would pay for that? Local businesses, nonprofits, schools, politicians?
- tim windsor
covered all bases as usual robert - well done
- mike "glemak" dunn
I would love to see this blog post as Robert Scobles resume to Facebook, twitter or friendfeed. Even better yet the core of his pitch to angel investors or to venture capitalists. These are the type of ideas that need more than saying, they need implementing and Robert is just the right guy.
- Mark Essel
Robert: wow, that is frustrating! why can't twitter search find that post, will that kind of thing be fixed ever? closest services to what is described here might be semantic mediawiki, or freebase, which allow such custom data fields
- Mike Chelen
I think you write off laconica far too soon, Scoble. The benefits of having your own microblogging site for brands/interests as big as CNN, The US Govt, Oprah, Leo's Twit Army, or http://www.todaysmama.com/connect... with one's own collection of groups & tagclouds, inter-subscribe-able by other OMB-compliant sites and free of being at the mercy of a company like Twitter's policies and Fail Whales is pretty attractive. Come to think of it, you should have one.
- exador23
Adobe announces Flash for TV, A-List partnerships » VentureBeat - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
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"Adobe’s Flash, a multimedia platform for integrating animation and video into web pages, is on its way to the living room. The software giant’s newest take on the platform will allow developers to start crafting a host of online video widgets for a new era of web-enabled televisions, Blu-ray players, and set-top boxes."
- Alan Cheslow
from Bookmarklet
cool now my tv can be as hosed as my computer ;) lol (I don't own a tv tho)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This is great news for travelers. Not only will it enable much-needed design improvements to TV-based interfaces in hotels, it will set a standard for widgets in digital signage. Hopefully, this leads the way to all kinds of location-based and context-sensitive widgets on "screens near you."
- Salim Virani
If you want to understand the architecture of the upcoming facebook photo storage, check out Nial Kennedy's post http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog...
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