34 secs flat for my latest tweet. Thanks Paul and team for this!
- Jorge Escobar
wow, that makes actually want to use Twitter. I may just go tweet something.
- Mike Nencetti
It should be even faster than that Jorge, but our systems are getting near their limit. I hope to have it down to 1 sec sometime next month.
- Paul Buchheit
Yay! That's fantastic! I was getting really bored of manually refreshing it every time I tweeted. Especially from my phone. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Does this mean that Scoble can get smarter on FriendFeed again?
- Crutis
You are still working on Frienfeed (: how nice !
- Murat Can Demir
^ That's probably the best part of this announcement, TBH. Good point
- LANjackal
from IM
whoa, it took less than a minute. i accdently tested it but it's great :) thnx
- asli subasi
awesome, keep it up guys, i knew you would not let us down
- Iggy Mwangi
Great news, love the efforts still put in to FF.I use Google Reader to share into FF (PubSubHubBub) then FF to Twitter (now Real-Time). The URL shortener is great (ff.im), and so FF is central to my social lifestream. I don't care what Scoble says, FF is technically better and feature-rich.
- Keith Rowland
P.S. Conversations are still better here than on GReader, and you just can't have one on Twitter.
- Keith Rowland
You didn't break the FF Facebook app while you were at it, did you? It hasn't worked since.
- Tim Tyler
Oh, awesome!!! 12 seconds :) I can finally go back to Twitter (...okay no I can't I've turned into a Friendfeed junkie..) but prior it took hours upon hours for me to see a feed. Dumb I am, I never suspected a problem LMAO.
- H0llywoodWh0re
Paul ?? Twitter updates facebook status and then facebook creates a new feed here on friendfeed. So we have same entries both from twitter and facebook on friendfeed. Could you guys please work on how we can avoid duplicate entries? Thank you. ( If there's already a way to avoid this, pls let me know)
- Murat Can Demir
Cool, thanks, Paul! :-) RT Twitter updates have been missed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And just as I say that, I see my tweets are not coming into FF in real-time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol. I just tweeted and it was here before I could get out of Tweetie and launch Safari... It's working :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, cool. Just me then. It's still slow. Maybe it's FriendFeed then?
- Kol Tregaskes
It truncates retweets, even in the middle of a link...
- Raphael, Raphael
seems that there are only 140chars allowed for a tweet (on FF) and the new twitter retweets are being translated on the way through to old RT @name style - thus are too long.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sean, if only I knew. This was delivered directly to me fresh and hot.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow, whatever you do, don't google "Asian guys at beach licking" if you want to find the Flickr account for this. No, seriously. Just...don't. o.O
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
changed my life forever...I will always go to the beach with a a few chubby buddies after porking myself up for those bosoms ~ and this image is most definitely going in the ol' spank bank
- sofarsoShawn
Remember ! I bring quality product to Friend Feed !:)
- Akiva Moskovitz
you know what would be funny: ok bear with me, if we blindfolded leather donut (you know the booby man) and...yeah fill in the blanks...something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- sofarsoShawn
Sir, randomly linking to your FriendFeed from one of my posts is oh wait you'll never see this because you're blocked for spamming. Thanks anyway, kaghazrangy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
damn this picture just won't go away - you have forced me to hide it
- William Harryman
Akiva, wasn't that pic taken at your last BBQ?
- Paul
Every time I see this picture I smile. Their joy is infectious, like herpes.
- Sparky
Paul, I surely do wish I had a beach in my back yard!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sparky, I'm going to have this blown up to poster-size and attaching it to the ceiling above our bed. That'll cause some infections!
- Akiva Moskovitz
makes me want to grow a rack and diddle with my own, know what I'm saying?
- sofarsoShawn
this. . . .this. . . ugh . . . so fucking wrong.
- Peter Ghosh
Akiva - you can put anything you want above our bed.
- Sparky
i've been trying to formulate a comment for this for days, but i just...can't.
- joey
I still want to know the motivation here. is this a gay marriage argument? or are we already pushing group social contracts on friendfeed?
- Noah David Simon
oh man this one keeps popping up on ma friendfeed,....must spread virus nao
- Chris Hofmann
I'm surprised no one's noticed old boy's red-framed glasses.
- Akiva Moskovitz
oh right... the glasses are so important when three asian men are licking his nipples and all the comments are by people who think gay marriage has something to do with equality... when it has everything to do with taking protections away from children. the red glass glasses.... um yeah. chicken and Oklahoma with milk
- Noah David Simon
Mark, you have uncovered the dark underbelly of humanity except in this case it isn't dark but is rather a pasty hue somewhere in the vicinity of undercooked flan.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This should be in the default noobie FF stream. Like the first thing anyone who signs up sees. If they stick around they're part of the family.
- Chrimmus Tad
Perhaps this can replace the kitty pic on the start page for non-members!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'm certain prop8 had nothing to do with Swine Flu
- Noah David Simon
I'm thinking that eventually, it will have been hidden by every user on FriendFeed. It'll be the most hidden post in FriendFeed history.
- Akiva Moskovitz
WHY WHY KEEP BRINGING BACK THE EYES THEY HURT ME
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Herpes (and this): the gifts that keep on giving.
- Sparky
I wonder if the FriendFeed guys see this and say to themselves, 'Well, this isn't exactly what we had in mind when we started started FriendFeed.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I look at it and think, "Not again."
- Steven Perez
from IM
Just about the time you FF is getting some class .. Oh well we is what we is.
- Brent - Loving Life
I can't believe after all this time some diligent FF'er hasn't dug up the identities (I said "titties") of this bunch and invited them to join the service that made them famous. Mitchell Tsai, get to work!
- Sprague D
i think if you unlike and delete all your comments anna it'll go away, but hide in general would be nice too (this photo makes me smile every time it pops up so don't mind it)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
*sigh* This is never going away, is it? It's gonna end up like James Bond movies and Swedish meatballs - always existing in the same form. never diminshing, never forgotten. :( :( :(
- Steven Perez
from IM
It will go away, to be replaced with photoshops of the original. It's all part of the meme lifecycle.
- Sparky
I am too new on friendfeed to know anything about record comments.. I love gmail tho, puts all the comments in one threaded email and I can delete them all later in one shot or not if I choose..
- David Gross
from email
well we should aim to beat the record.. i mean jeez there are tons of things that could be said about this.. like.. does it taste like chicken?
- ed fry
I'm gonna have nightmares now. thanks ed. ;)
- Alejandro
ok, in Japanese: "an, an, soko dame!"
- Rick Cogley
You can't close this thread. A lot of people say that this place is a Scoble-fest but, truly, it is this thread that is at the very heart of FriendFeed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm officially going to proclaim that this is the FF equivalent of Goatse or FFoatse if you will. Lets all refer to it as that from this point forward.
- Mark Krynsky
Sparky has left 57 comments. The rest of you are slacking. Hop to it!
- Christopher Harley
Chrisitan just walked by and said "It's too early in the morning for Japanese titty licking." It's NEVER too early for Japanese titty licking.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
THIS is the first thing I see here this morning?
- l0ckergn0me
Chris, you just woke up? C'mon, man! It's 10:30!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I knew he would break eventually - it's fitting that it's on this thread *now to find out how to hide a thread once you've commented....*
- WorldofHiglet
As much as I am loathe to bump this post, I have to do it to say, You, sir, are a master. Well played, sir. Well played. This is why I take every opportunity to say, in my next life, I want to be Akiva. I've already called it! Don't anybody go getting any more ideas.
- ♥patricia♥
I, for one, refuse to "bump" posts...it's very unseemly...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I wish FF-search allowed to do GROUP BY -aggregations so I could COUNT(*) who are the biggest *bump*ers. :)
- Jemm
Makes me laugh everytime I see it. Such a happy yet silly scene by the sea.
- Toby Graham
There is nothing silly about it. This is serious business.
- Sparky
The more I see this, the more I like it. Not for the ironic nipple-licking, but because these kids are genuinely enjoying themselves. :) Carry on.
- felicious
This photo looks so much better in iPhone 3.0!#!~
- Akiva Moskovitz
Seriously dude. What do I have to do to get rid of this disgusting picture!? Doh! Now I've just pushed it back to the top... yuck, I'm so sickened.
- Jason Nunnelley
I love this image, because I have no clue why it's happening. Randomness FTW!!
- Jimminy Fuller
from twhirl
I'm just thinking of all the new folks coming to friend feed and see this and wonder just what the hell did I get into anyway? And why in Gods name can't I spell Friend correctly the first time - GRRRRRR
- Brent - Loving Life
Can't believe I never hit 'like' on this! Consider the situation rectumfied.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oops! I hope I didn't just bump this up again... ;-)
- Sprague D
It's just so refreshing to see genuine juvenile humour at work. These kids are no different from any other, I think it's a great happy image, given all the other shite happening in this world on a daily basis. For those that are too pompous and prudish, 'up yours with brass knobs'
- ImJustCreative
Wow. 666. Nice! Actually, the reason Asashoryu is getting a divorce ( http://ff.im/4T0UA ), is because he wants to spend time with this lot.
- Rick Cogley
To this day, the pic still comes back. Just like Herpes. :D
- Danny Minick
Although unlike herpes this photo is fun to share with friends.
- Sparky
I would rather go to http://woot.com and buy the Acer Aspire One for $259.99, I do not care that it is a refurb.. but what would I do with two laptops? Maybe #hive knows? hmm..
- David Gross
from email
What's this? A real question in this thread? Two extra laptops? Make them fancy digital photo frames.
- Jordan Hofker
Reason #696 why the Internet can grant you immortality. ;-)
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
I can't believe this thing is still floating around Friendfeed. These poor guys... ha ha ha
- Bradley Farless
@SeanMcGee sorry about the spam, this thread is sorta spammy.. I get the messages in email perfect for replying with any message because it then gets posted on twitter and facebook.. I do not do it all the time, look at my other posts in this stream..
- David Gross
from email
Lactating, males last resort to save ourselves, now that they can create sperm in labs.
- Jimminy Fuller
This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started feeding it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue feeding it forever just because...This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started feeding it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue feeding it forever just because...This is the thread that...
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- David Gross
from email
I have 89 :( emails since july 10th.. that includes the ones I sent.
- David Gross
from email
gmail comes in handy, it keeps all the email in conversations, 100 messages at a time but because the subject " :( " it will not filter out so they dont go to inbox.
- David Gross
from email
*THOUGHT FOR THE DAY...* Women are like phones: They like to be held, talked to, and touched often. But push the wrong button and your ass is disconnected.
- David Gross
from email
all this oral stuff is just begging the question of when do they start with the money shots?
- Noah David Simon
I just use this image as a way to announce crap. no one really pays attention to my feed... except my enemies. so when I have something important to say I tell the Asian Titty lickers. it is my strong belief that this thread needs it's very own domain name. something like http://xrl.us/TittyLickers
- Noah David Simon
You know, every time this pops up, since FF hides the middle of the comments of which there are 804 or so, I see Akiva say "I'm sorry." at the top. It makes me wonder about how some things are just not possible to apologize for!
- Rick Cogley
wow, I can't believe tomorrow is Friday :o) no, wait, somewhere in the world it's ALREADY Friday :o)
- David Gross
from email
Thanks Rick, thats what I thought.. does that mean I can start with the #followfriday on twitter or do I have to wait till it is Friday here in NJ? would be funny to post it from this post LOL all my friendfeed goes to twitter..
- David Gross
from email
David - yeah, you can get an early start.
- Rick Cogley
Rick, I am not good at lists or #followfriday but there are lotsa good people in this thread.
- David Gross
from email
the thing that strikes me about this (aside from the obvious) is after seeing this thing pop up like 35-40 times since March its just occurred to me that I don't have any (guy) friends that a) would lick my nipples b) would lick my nipples for a photograph. Maybe I should get out more...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I'm a little scared that I've this has gotten more than 800 comments and almost 200 likes over nearly five months and I still haven't clicked "Hide."
- Scott of Two Countries
It's just a bit of fun. I mean watching how many comment, not the picture content (although I suspect that is all that was too!)
- Ian May
Allright, you guys ready to shoot "mirth and girth"?
- Rick Cogley
For the life of me, I'll never understand the emotion people have around this picture for or against. There's no nudity at all, not even implied nudity. Less dude nudity than a beer commercial or cigarette ad, yet there are people who really really really hate this picture.
- Matthew DeVries
I found a way to get a Tit Theme, and it involves this picture.
- Jimminy Fuller
Hahahaha! It's like a telethon. And after Joey Bishop goes off stage, they flash this picture on the screen. "Won't you think of the CHILDREN?"
- Spidra Webster
It's been a while, hope the magnetism still prevails...
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I just had to bump this once more... gives me a whole new excuse to go look at Phoebe again!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Hmmm, where do you think they're from? My guess is Japan...
- sofarsoShawn
The bumping algorithm includes things like novel people posting to it, in addition to thread age, and rapidity of comments. If the same 3 people are talking in a thread, it quits bumping because it's obviously a closed tea party.
- Matthew DeVries
I forgot, also you're a very handsome guy(saw the wedding images), I don't understand why you don't like to share your face. Rochelle is a lucky lady.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy, it's an irrational phobia. No different than people who are afraid of heights, spiders, clowns, or Canada.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, now I'm LMAO at the fear of Canada. People are actually afraid of Canada, or just the fact they don't know if they're British or French?
- Jimminy Fuller
I don't think even Canadians know that difference.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If Friendfeed had sound .. this thread would be all licks and slurps
- Mattb4rd
Sorry Akiva, I think it was the display picture.. I have known male and female Akivas.. Oh and by the way guys I am not afraid of Canada LOL will be there this weekend.. Dave Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes...> - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."
- David Gross
from email
I popped the 666 cherry and I will get 1000 also.
- Jimminy Fuller
If it gets to 1000 will Akiva lock it so it can sink from our feeds forever? Please?!?
- WorldofHiglet
I think locking this post would be un-FriendFeedian.
- Jason Huebel
This is the immortal post everyone who uses the service must see it so WoH it just wouldn't be good to lock it.
- Jimminy Fuller
Not everyone see's it, only the people with true class do.
- Sparky
It keeps on going and going and going....
- David Gross
from email
In the Hall of Great Posts at the FriendFeed museum, this shall be hung high on the wall with pride.
- Johnny Worthington
I'M THE ROCK AND ROLL CLOWN.. AND I LIKE COCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINE
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
*Wispering to Murderface* "Seriously man, I do... A LOT of cocaine."
- Matt Stoddard
It is now September 1st, and this has not reached 1000 comments. I am sorely disappointed. Yet, for some reason, I am uplifted by the smile of this young man, who was fortunate enough to have such great friends that fateful day on the beach.
- Josh Haley
Quick let's add some comments... Gee that guy on the far left is not really getting into the swing of things is he?
- Travis Koger
Travis... bear in mind that we don't know what "main chubby guy's" right hand is doing, or where it's doing whatever it's doing...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
BUT WE CAN INFER WHAT "MAIN CHUBBY GUY'S" HANDS ARE DOING. BOTH OF THEM.
- Sparky
@Mark, of interest (well not really) is the location of Front Left guy's left hand.
- Travis Koger
The photo of Akiva in the jacuzzi with the Texas A&M cheerleaders would be so much more popular. Now if only someone would post it.
- Christopher Harley
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! Posted March 1st and we are still enduring the wrath! "Akiva's posts, now with more staying power than ever before!"
- Nicholas Kreidberg
YAY! OVER 1000 COMMENTS BLAAAARGBLBLLB
- Josh Haley
It feels like Groundhog Day whenever I see this.
- Andru Edwards
Except that unlike Groundhog Day this is AWESOME!
- Sparky
This thread was how I discovered Akiva. ROFL... Y.M.C.A.! BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP! GAZE AT IT! DON'T LOOK AWAY! >:O I SED DON'T LOOK AWAY!!! ... ^_^
- Danny Minick
You have nothing to fear - I never look away.
- Sparky
On Fark, there was this one thread, that just kept growing and growing. On Fark, it was a single page per thread. And you could post images and gif inline. Well the thread wouldn't die, people just kept posting. I forget which one it was. Anyway, it got so monsterous, that few people going to read/post to it per day (which was only a handfull) accounted for 1/3 of the server load of the site. They eventually had to cull that thread.
- Matthew DeVries
I think everyone who has participated in this thread has 'culled' themselves privately.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What with all the copycat images this has inspired I hope our muse continues to stick around and not get lost in the shuffle of so many knockoffs.
- Sparky
SHUT UP SPARKY!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!
- Andru Edwards
I refuse to shut up about the glory that is this thread. REFUSE.
- Sparky
Yes, Vezquex, I'm jealous of those guys, it is warm there, nothing like a warm beatch..
- David Gross
from email
Yes, Sparky, they do not know how good they have it there frolicking on the beach while we freeze up here.. Hard to believe it is only 49 degrees, feels like 29.. I bet it's at least 85 degrees on that beach.
- David Gross
from email
Anyone who doesn't appreciate this thread is clearly not developing a FriendFeed iPhone client because this is a great stress test case. (It crashes BuddyFeed, by the way.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
from iPhone
Also it exercises the crap out of your thumb trying to scroll down to the bottom of it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from iPhone
Do you need to appreciate the pic in order to appreciate the thread?
- Travis Koger
If I un-collapse this thread, will it break my computer?
- Eivind
Every time this thread gets a bumped, god kills a kitten
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, you may have given some people more reason to keep bumping this thread.
- Victor Ganata
How does it give you thumb exercise? Whatever you're doing, why don't you either use the keyboard or switch to Linux so you can middle-click the scrollbar to jump to where you want? :P
- Tanath
actually this thread does not bother me because I get it in email and gmail groups them and starts new thread after every 100 comments. I have it autoarchived so I do not have to see on phone lol and just see when I look at my ffeed label in gmail.
- David Gross
from email
disgusting? HOW DARE YOU, SIR! That is j-love! and it's beautiful (in it's own way.. a way that shouldn't be seen in public)
- Kyle Johnson
this is probably the most popular feed of 2009 in FF. lol.
- Bora Mesut PALAS
I think the one where Robert Scoble gave away money easily beats this one, but this post has staying power. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
I think that Chinese at FF post was a marriage proposal thing. They were all trying to bump the guy's photo so that it would be the first thing his girlfriend would see when she logged onto FF.
- Kamilah Gill
On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, 1 salty beach, 2 pairs of glasses, 3 lords a licking, 4 chubby men, 5 santa hats(O_o), 6 rolls of fat, 7 ????, and 8 moobs to view.
- Jimminy Fuller
Hey, I'd be willing to let random guys suck on my nipples if it meant I'd lose all my extra weight. *waits for wiseass random guys to suggest it DOES mean that*
- Spidra Webster
נתתי לו למצוץ את הפטמות שלי, אם לתת להם לשחק על החוף. לפחות לא כל כך קר על החוף.
- David Gross
from email
First, FriendFeed is _not_ going away. (in fact, we're working on switching it to new servers) Second, I know everyone wants to know what the team is working on, but we don't pre-announce things, so for now all I can say is that there's good stuff on the way. Re: http://friendfeed.com/jworthi...
Paul, working on friendfeed.com stuff or facebook.com?
- Kol Tregaskes
I like the first sentence. The rest is just gravy.
- Derek Coward
I'm totally happy if we just reside on decent servers, and get occasional IT help... We'll keep the rest of the ship running :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Paul - is that why it's been slower lately vs.pre-fb ?
- Allen Stern
Paul please repeat it in re-phrased form: Friendfeed is NOT going to repeat destiny of Jaiku? Y/N
- A.T.
But what does "going away" mean, Paul? And what does "team" mean? And when you say "pre-announce", are you talking about the Palm Pre?
- Ken Sheppardson
Allen, the slowness is due to growth (more users and more data), but I put in a few fixes yesterday that should speed things up a bit.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, sometimes when I open up threads I get the Opps... error. Is that related? It has been happening more and more these last few days.
- Kol Tregaskes
Still better than twitter and facebook. Thanks for the update!
- Mike Nencetti
Paul, thanks for the incredible work with FriendFeed. Please, keep it alive! and most importantly keep it FriendFeed!
- Ciro
as long as FF doesn't go dark or fall to pieces due to lack of maintenance, i think most ppl would be appeased.
- Joe Silence is not Satan
Does this mean that the sky is not falling and we should stop running around screaming GODZILLA! and pointing in the direction of FB?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Thanks for the update! Would like to know if there will be actual development done on FriendFeed in the future (other than bug fixes/minor updates) but I understand if you can't really talk about that too much.
- Brandon Titus
Paul: so still no answer from you as to if your 'good stuff' is being developed for FB or FF? The silence suggests it's FaceBook you're working on, or at least transferring FF into an 'add on' for Facebook?
- Jim Connolly
Kol, fb platform and openness, primarily.
- Paul Buchheit
i made a post here - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... - one interesting note - maybe FB keeps FF running nice and smooth to keep the early adopters happy as it's a great way to get new features out to them via this channel... just a thought.
- Allen Stern
Wow. I've had to eat my words before but these are the best-tasting ones yet!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, just add salt. You know which kind :)
- Micah Wittman
These are the best words I could have expected by Paul. There is obviously a cultural difference between the two platforms and audience and I'm assuming both the former FF team and the FB team recognize that and are sensitive to the community. Thank you Paul and I hope you are feeling better....
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Allen, you're in good company on that thought - there were musings on that concept right after the buyout.
- Micah Wittman
Damn, 20+ likes within a matter of 2 minutes.
- Itachi
I feel a few "I told you so's" coming though... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks Paul. Glad you're working on maintaining/improving performance. I've definitely seen issues here. Looking forward towards your influence and changes over at the blue giant.
- Mark Krynsky
Paul - thank you for letting us know, and I do hope you feel better!
- Jennifer Dittrich
The big question though is will FriendFeed continue to add new features? There's a difference between that and it going away. (and hence my argument w/ Scoble the other day)
- Jesse Stay
Paul: Seriously weird that you're there reading this, and totally ignoring each relevant, yes no question. No one's asking you to pre announce anything - just genuinely concerned (and increasingly so) that they do NOT include developing for FF.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: Paul answers that question - BOOM - rumour mill dies and we finally get something positive to say. Ya know what - we won;t get an answer though. He's reading this, he knows the answer, but he won't.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: For now, FF has more features than any other platform for this type of niche. There's some catching up to do before I'm worried about new features.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AWESOME!! Thanks for helping to quell some concerns Paul. Looking forward to what comes next, but hope that FF never dissappears also.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Shouldn't we be asking the facebook guys, and let Paul keep working? Or is he wearing many hats (friendfeed head honcho and facebook openess builder)?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: I'm right, right? There's something stopping you from saying that you are no longer adding new features to what 'we' know as Friendfeed?
- Jim Connolly
Not for nothing, but I took my friendfeed embed off my tiny blog for a few weeks after the facebook buy out. There was just this empty spot on my eyesore of a website, so I put the embed back. We care because we like the connections we've made here and don't want to lose them. It's personal for us to.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Paul: Amazing how quickly you guys have adopted the Facebook attitude to silence. Pity.
- Jim Connolly
Paul: blink twice if you will add new features to FF. I won't tell anyone, honest.
- Edward Zwart
FWIW he did just upgrade servers. My e-mail notifications are almost real-time. Sounds to me like they're still improving the service.
- Jesse Stay
Jim: Don't blame Paul on that, it's not fair. He's only allowed to say so much at this point but I'm very satisfied on what he said.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse: The questions not if they keep the servers running - we want to know if this is a dead platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: in Paul's defense Facebook's PR is more controlling than FriendFeed's was. I'm sure he's having to consider the effects his words will have on other people inside Facebook. But, I'm VERY HAPPY that Paul is here giving us hints as to what's coming. I wish it had happened six weeks ago so we wouldn't have lost so many people, but maybe that would happen anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jim, there may be a few new things, but as I said, the team is mainly working on fb platform and openness, so it's unlikely that there will be any big new features of ff (except maybe one that I've been thinking about for a while...).
- Paul Buchheit
Did the Walrus think about Feed Splicing? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Finally - THAT'S what we were wondering.
- Jim Connolly
Cool Dude: Need it to have a classier forum than the parent; Parent is still good but the options here make it just a bit nicer.
- ThatDBD
Paul: Pity. At least we now know not to expect any developments or improvements. Thanks for answering the question. Whilst it confirmed my fears, it's good to know what's happening.
- Jim Connolly
I have no problem with FB integration (notice my drool above). Hoping for good friend conversion tools to bring subscribers over as friends or fans on Facebook from FriendFeed. (Connect.registerUsers FTW!)
- Jesse Stay
As a result - Jim has left the platform.
- Jim Connolly
Jim: this is a change from last week, by the way. My sources were telling me that we weren't going to get any new features and now Paul is refuting that and saying we might get one new feature here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still drooling - anyone have a towel?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I'll buy you a virtual one over on Ning.
- Robert Scoble
personally, i would be happy just to have FF not fall apart and die. given the post-acquisition situation, anything beyond that is gravy!
- Joe Silence is not Satan
Robert, I heard Ning is dead - care to send me one on Facebook? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, think of it as 20% time. If there's a feature I want, I'll just add it :)
- Paul Buchheit
Thank you for the clarification, Paul, and hope you are feeling better.
- WorldofHiglet
a communication channel that will be around and getting improved no matter what happens, our blogs :D I'll be commenting on yours Jim. 20%, that's a helluva light better than 0%, that's actually much more than I expected. Could we crowd source funding to buy you more %?
- Mark Essel
Even if there no new features in Friendfeed, I am happy with Friendfeed just staying on.
- ashish
how many users are there on friendfeed is there any chance we could buy it out (and get a full time dev staff back)? This platform rules, the dev team is incredible (albeit on facebook stuff now).
- Mark Essel
Paul, if you wanted me to bake you some cookies, all you had to do was ask, GEEZ.
- Derrick
Question: how many facebook bucks do we have to buy in total to get Paul and team working on friendfeed more of the time (100% ;)
- Mark Essel
Twitter doesn't accept cupcakes any more (just check Foursquare when at their offices). How about FriendFeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I'm okay with better Facebook integration. There's a lot of power in that (hence my drooling).
- Jesse Stay
I've got mixed feelings Jesse. I have friends on facebook. Then I have people that get excited by the same stuff that I do on friendfeed
- Mark Essel
Mark, I'm really hoping it ends up the best of both worlds - that would be really cool
- Jesse Stay
im going back to efnet - i got a bus for 7pm - anyone want on? :-P
- Allen Stern
I don't think you can mix the two sites at all. This has been repeated over and over. FriendFeed's technology might be portable, the concept, no.
- Jorge Escobar
Is it too late to do something about it. If it's a question of funds, can't we raise some? I mean this is the best communication platform I've come across yet. Facebook could be, if they just handed over the reigns to Paul, but its unlikely that sort of shift could happen.
- Mark Essel
Is the user perceived need of a full time devoted dev staff a fallacy?
- Mark Essel
I think you could make the case that some sites and services can in fact be "done" at some point, and simply require resources to keep them up and running.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: That's a potential advantage of turnkey application-level hosting such as App Engine: the resources to keep them up and running are almost entirely outsourced. ~All costs are variable costs, monetization improves over time, variable costs decline over time, so services that are "done" can literally just coast.
- Daniel Dulitz
They could open up something like friendfeed. Distributed social networks, with many servers would make search more challenging (search like status could help). The Internet keeps on chugging, it's a distributed information network that's been alive for many years. Our social networks should live, as does the underlying Internet.
- Mark Essel
Nice Daniel, I've been having fun playing around there (frankensearch.appspot.com). I'm using it to get to learn a little more about scala and lift now.
- Mark Essel
might be a full-time job times 2 or 3 for any fresh devs - safe to say Paul's got a bit of a head-start which changes that equation significantly! .... Also maybe almost as important is simply keeping spammers in check - that makes the difference between a ghost town vs the happy place here we want to keep coming back to enjoy ...
- Dan Freeman
Istanbuldan buyuk bir eferimi hakketti bu cocuklar, bizim icin calisiyorlar
- MobilAdam
from fftogo
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you, Paul. We were beginning to fight amongst ourselves over these things.
- Kamilah Gill
I bet a good contextual advertising box off to the side could generate 35-50million dollars in 6 months with a user base of 1 million people. The assumption is that the average user spends 100-200 bucks on the site making purchases they'd normally make anyway and the affiliate percentage goes to the social host.
- Mark Essel
Friendfeed's health needn't be measured by the team's willingness to add new features. Shovels haven't changed in hundreds of years, but nobody is running around saying shovels are dying. A shovel is a great tool --a simple one, at that. If anything, I'd take away features on FF, but that's just me. Thanks for jumping in, Paul.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the problem is that a shovel doesn't get more utility the more people that use it. FriendFeed does.
- Robert Scoble
I think the problem is that some people feel extra messianic some days (which is perfectly okay), and then refuse to see/believe/accept when others don't feel the same way AND point it out. The refusing part is not really okay, I guess.
- Michael Bravo
Thanks for these reassuring words Paul. Have been working hard to get more Flickr users over here after the recent rash of censorship there. Friendfeed's TOS and lack of censorship is a breath of fresh air compared to Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
I wouldn't say lack of censorship, but community moderated filters. ;)
- Uncle CW™
I think you're unnecessarily complicating the discussion by adding new vocabulary, Robert. Now you're talking scale, not features. A product needn't expand its feature set to remain useful. Feature creep is the devil, anyway. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
You can’t predict what the future of technology will bring; so trying is a fool’s game. You can only adapt to the new realities as best you can. Paul's word is that it is still worth the time to invest in FF the tool. The tool may stay in this form but that's still a better design for me than Twitter. If FF is a shovel, Twitter is a spoon feature-wise. Audience volume-wise, it is the reverse.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Ok here's an example of what the social media + contextual ads could like like (sorry can't embed iframe twitter they go full screen so I showed it with friendfeed). But the idea is clear: http://victusmedia.com/social-... This works by sending your tweet stream to zemanta, and then does some backend stuff (which we're working on improving) to get relevant ads from amazon
- Mark Essel
I've been rough on you guys in some comments around, but I'm VERY encouraged to see that you guys see a future for FF. Thanks for shining some light, Paul.
- Scott of Two Countries
A respectable amount of information. Thank you.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: Pownce had more "features" than Twitter did, yet it died. So did other aggregators like Jaiku. It's not "features" that matter in social software. Well, at least not completely. It's a combination of features with crowds that matter. If the crowds leave FriendFeed has a lot less utility to everyone than if they flow in. Look at this item here. Why is it interesting? Because there's people here talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
take your time PB Bear take your time
- Thomas Power
This is definitely more of the answer we were looking for. Thanks, Paul.
- Alex Scoble
All I can say is "thank you" for letting us know what's going on. I'm glad to hear FF will be around for the foreseeable future. :-) LONG LIVE FRIENDFEED!
- Jason Huebel
I can't find any wave that is even remotely comparable with friendfeed's conversation, if you found one will you invite me? (muzzle at googlewave)
- Emme Ci
Great news, I await the new functions eagerly
- Mo Kargas
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best thing I've seen ALL day!! woo hoo!! Thanks Paul :) {{{ HUG }}}
- Susan Beebe
Just a few words of assurance go a long way, Paul. Thank you for finally giving us something more solid to stand on. It's been frustrating for a lot of us waiting for the other shoe to drop and this news makes it much easier to keep investing time in FriendFeed. Please don't be shy about reaffirming that it's not going away on a regular basis because it's always good to hear.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I will say it for the least time! Friendfeed kicks ass :). The rest who is saying friendfeed is dying. please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
- alfred westerveld
Tnx Paul, people just want to see that are not "alone"
- CantorJF
from FreshFeed
"As a result - Jim has left the platform. - Jim Connolly" - Was this guy ever on the platform?! A quick glance at his most recent posts [first page] show pretty much 100% of posts made from other platforms. Cut him and his blood runs blue. Twitter blue :)
- 1x29
IF you glance over the Right Wing guys publications-there is some serious Terrorism encouragement from those sociopaths. This looked like a real strong example of what they are encouraging their followers to do??? Been saying we need to pay attention they are respectable foes to intelligence and their agenda is to win at all costs. Dudes they are great foes, need to,got to, have to pay attention to what they are doing. Peace love your neighbors dudes.
- ThatDBD
@ThatDBD I think you're responding to the wrong thread...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
It's fascinating that so many people seem worried about new features. Until recently Twitter added almost no features at all and yet it continued to grow in popularity. FriendFeed's recent slump is all about perception, not tech.
- Eoghann Irving
these conversations take too much time for narcisists with tight schedules (stars). Publicity skyrocketed Twitter to the limelight. Friendfeeds champions are tech geeks, and folks that love chatting and sharing. There aren't many of us though. Give us time, or let us own the platform with a public ipo /buyin from facebook. Free friendfeed!
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Looks like it's official then: FriendFeed lives! On new servers, even! (At least for now...)
- Dennis Jernberg
This is great news! Thanks, Paul, for the update, and if you get a hankering for a feature, great! I'm fine with the tech being your personal sandbox in exchange for keeping the service alive. Robert, I hope this means we'll see more of you and your family - and hear from the ones who have mastered the art of rolling over. Johnny, thanks for having the courage to ask the hard questions (and Louis for helping you frame the issues.) wow - life feels good again!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
This is brilliant news from Paul! Now can we put this FriendFeed is dying business to rest please? It's a self fullfilling prophecy because by saying FF is dying, folks begin leaving, causing a downward spiral which would then cause it to come true!
- technogran
Wan't it to stay? Then begin spreading the word! Get others to use it! At the moment its not mainstream so encourage ordinary users to use FF! The more popular it becomes the less likely it is to fold.
- technogran
technogran: sorry, today you see what's going on. Bing? Displays your Facebook and Twitter tweets. Google? Twitter. Where's FriendFeed in this equation? Now do you get why FriendFeed is destined to be a tiny niche player and why the real action is on Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if FF gives me what I'm looking for, why do I care where "the real action" is? If FF serves its niche well, what's the downside?
- Scott of Two Countries
Robert, do you mean that Google doesn't index Friendfeed posts? Friendfeed is the first site that comes up if you search for my name.
- Victor Ganata
Excellent point Victor - but FF only imports a small % of twitter's posts. Ergo Google is still not getting Twitter.
- Roberto Bonini
@Scobleizer - this item is not interesting because of the conversation. it's interesting because of who it's from, and what he said. The fact that there's a conversation around it and that conversation is easy to find and read is a bonus (a feature) that sets this service head and shoulders above others (IMHO). There's really not much interesting in the comments here, if you ask me. You could get rid of all the comments that aren't Paul's and the value of the entry doesn't diminish that much.
- Chris Heath
That isn't to say that conversations around items aren't ever useful or valuable (or interesting as robert says)... but in this case i would say it's who it's from and what he said.
- Chris Heath
Chris: you nailed, in a single paragraph, why Twitter is winning. You now can choose who shows up on your screen and under what context. Well, I can because I have list support. Everyone else will get that next month. Victor: Roberto is right. I barely see ANY of the good stuff I see on Twitter come over here. Well, it comes here because of my favorites feed, but that isn't in nearly as useful a form as it is over at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you keep saying that's the reason Twitter's winning - I can do that in Facebook and FriendFeed as well.
- Jesse Stay
Well, the problem is that Google doesn't seem to index tweets as well as it indexes Friendfeed posts. And Google has never been able go inside Facebook's walled garden. Hopefully that will change.
- Victor Ganata
(and I have been able to for the last year or so)
- Jesse Stay
Victor, that changed today - see ReadWriteWeb's post. Facebook is opening up public status messages to search engines now.
- Jesse Stay
Why is Twitter/Facebook/FriendFeed a zero sum game? I use both Twitter and FriendFeed a lot - they have different strengths - and they feed into each other. Facebook I use less, but that's a personal issue because I simply like it less. Why does there have to be a winner? And +1 Scott, if I'm in the niche market that FF is serving and I'm happy with it, why should I care if "the real action" is on Facebook? If that's the case, I'll take FF's "fake action," thank you very much.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Paul: Thank you for letting us know status as much as you are able. The fact that you took time to write anything says a lot. So thank you for that. And thank you for FriendFeed in general. It truly does rock. Have a great day.
- Morgan Haley
Why don't you just give us all Facebook accounts for the one's that don't have them and be done with it. But the Turbocharged FF/FB accounts!!
- Gene Williams
@Gene, sorry, you'll have to wait for a FB invite like everyone else!
- Andrew C
@Andrew Oh that sucks, I'm still waiting for my Facebook invite. Do you have one to spare?
- Patrik Johansson
i'm not predicting the death of FF until they shoot it in the base of the skull. i actually use Facebook LESS post-acquisition.
- Joe Silence is not Satan
Maybe things were down in September because so many people went back to school?
- Nine
FriendFeed is still the best place to 1) Aggregate all content from around the Web and 2) See others activity around the Web. Also, if you assume Facebook wins, piping content through here fills out your Facebook profile. So of course I'm still here.
- Louis Gray
There you go, Allen. Straight from (one of) the horse's mouth. :) Louis is still here, still active and even interacting with you.
- Curtiss Grymala
yep - i just saw a pic of his kid in a tshirt :)
- Allen Stern
"Consultant Louis Gray appears to be using Google Reader to share content he finds interesting." Wait, I see him right up there.^^^^^
- Christopher Harley
hate facebook, and scoble's prediction that facebook would be the next big thing! you just can't help those folks that just get there for the girl-boy thing...or for their friends and family, there is a lot of people doing it there and a great section of that isn't of any help when it comes to questions and tech stuff, it might be a big thing but compared to friendfeed it is...
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- ffcode
You know it would be cool if everyone left FriendFeed because then Louis and I would have the edge against everyone else that left it in the dust. It's still an awesome tool guys!
- Jesse Stay
Allen, I just hope that everybody stops blogging so I am the only one doing it. If you naysayers all stop FriendFeeding, that's fine too. Go have fun on your Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
I noticed a decline, but it really seems to be picking up lately, especially in the last week.
- RAPatton
i thought we were all going to posterous? i booked a big coach bus to take us all over there! rubel is driving! :-P
- Allen Stern
hahahaha "go have fun on your twitter" there isn't anything like friendfeed, no not even posterous...
- ffcode
I haven't noticed any big declines since the week or two after the Facebook announcements. Most of the people I interact with are still here... and I've subbed to new people... I don't know what that article is talking about. Seems like the article is a self fulfilling prophecy: let's say that everyone is leaving FriendFeed so that everyone will leave FriendFeed. Actually, it almost...
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- Fa La La La Lindsay
kind of, though I've noticed most have changed exactly how they use it before and after the big sell, for example there are fewer imports of the particular services and more of personal blog RSS's, which I'm sure is due to who own the content issue
- sofarsoShawn
ffcode, Paul Bucheit posted something just yesterday, as did Benjamin Golub. They're still using the site.
- Jesse Stay
moved on as in moved on to another projects are they still working on ff?
- ffcode
jesse, but their activity has seen a drop, bret isn't doing much
- ffcode
I've personally noticed a large drop among the usual people I subscribed to. My main feed was so dead I even had to ask if the real-time feature broke down.
- sofarsoShawn
ffcode, they're working on the facebook code now... figuring out how to move forward while integrating the friendfeed features (iirc)
- Chris Heath
Great... Just when I was getting used to FriendFeed... So what's the new fad service? Outside of Google Wave and the still going strong Twitter/Facebook news, I haven't heard of anything new coming out lately. Maybe it's just me but I'm itching for more revolutionary free stuff. Posterous FTW though. :p
- Fake Name
ffcode, they released Tornado server recently. I think that was a pretty significant activity
- Jesse Stay
Fake Name, don't go anywhere... Long Live FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
For the record, Allen, Cal didn't lose this weekend because they had a bye week. :)
- Louis Gray
i'm of the opinion that FriendFeed (the service) is of more value -- to me-- than FriendFeed (the community) and if the community goes off and disipates it will be a loss, but the service is still worth a lot to me
- Chris Heath
I stopped pruning my FF feed to promote interaction and don't bother sharing with FF as much. I just post links through twitter now and upped my usage for facebook. I also stopped updating the rooms I started.
- Alan Le
FF is still my favourite, although I'm quite. But that's due to other activities.
- Ton Zijp
this is control, and you all who registered on ff need to be here ASAP...and we need to rebuild the conversations ETA a day at most...
- ffcode
I'm still here. More active some days than others. But when we DO need to abandon the ship, why not try Cliqset?
- Patrik Johansson
hahhahaaaa, yeah that'd be FriendFeed done right
- sofarsoShawn
Yeah I read that article. I don't think it's better than FF, not close. But when FF goes down, maybe Cliqset could be something?
- Patrik Johansson
Fake Name, what scrutiny are you holding my feed up to? Not sure what you mean.
- Chris Heath
I use FF for aggregation, for discovery of interesting stories, and for following discussions. I never received much interaction with my own posts here. It's a mystery to me why people complain about FF complexity when Facebook is way more complex and less intuitive. Twitter is too simple, and therefore requires ridiculous hacks like RTs and @s. Unpopular Jaiku is better than Twitter....
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- howard shippin
@Chris Heath, it was just a fancy way of saying I've subscribed to your feed.
- Fake Name
btw oward, why is Jaiku better than Twitter? You didn't exactly clarify. Personally though...yeah, end of the day I either want a better RSS or a better RSS segmenter than anything else. FriendFeed is nice but it's still more of a lifestream than a Yahoo Pipes' Dream.
- Fake Name
Fake Name, well that makes sense... i kind of thought you might have been putting me down in a sarcastic manner, but that makes sense too
- Chris Heath
Haven't found anything to replace it with just yet, so yeah, I'm still here.
- Steven Perez
To be honest, I have stopped listening to a lot of social media 'experts'. FriendFeed has always been about social interaction for me... After 1,000,345 stories on Twitter vs Facebook, it's getting old. Interaction may be down... but it may be the content, not the service.
- Johnny Worthington
Good thread, my comment on the post here: http://alexschleber.posterous.com/my-comm... If FF goes away entirely, it would be a huge loss of the (Twitter) archiving capabilities. I still don't get why FF didn't go the full-on Twitter client route, they could have pwned TweetDeck with better groups, MUCH better persistence, etc. They could have ridden the Twitter hype wave all the way. Of course to make that happen, they would have had to optimize the Twitter use cases.
- Alex Schleber
I like FF for everything it does that Twitter DOESN'T. I'm very glad they didn't just make it another lame Twitter client. How many of those do we really need?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
FB could easily inject thousands or millions of new users. The fact that they don't, and probably won't, sucks. I think ff was bought because it was seen as a threat, and now I fear it is being left to die. sigh.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I think the 50 mio is a transfer payment to FF guys... They dont need anything and I dont think that they seen ff as a thread.
- Atif UNALDI
pity, i was just starting to enjoy using friendfeed even though no body ever replied to any of my comments lol
- Loc
@bluecockatoo / Lindsay, I wasn't saying that FF should ONLY be another Twitter client, rather the best, on top of also being the best for other services and FF discussion (different use cases). BTW, you may have noticed that FF was always at least 50% Twitter content. Why deny/fight reality, especially if that reality could have greatly bolstered FF instead of seeing it flounder and then having to sell out to Zuckerberg for the coding talent (AKA liquidation).
- Alex Schleber
I've actually been spending more time here lately, still subscribing to interesting feeds - but also started looking for decent replacement. Expecting may be some time before I find one - no hurry ....
- Dan Freeman
Uh yeaah bitch, I just signed up today, bow down and worship.
- Gina
Garin, i suspect ff guys had facebook in mind when they were designing it...
- ffcode
"While comparing Posterous to Friendfeed is like comparing a bagel to a piece of fish, ..." lol. But.. can't argue with the OP; it's a shame..
- thinkQuick
I still open up FF and leave it running all day long.
- Chris Jackson
Yup, still using it. At the Mac FriendFeed still rules over Twitter. Slightly different story on the iPhone where Twitter is served by several superb third party clients, in particular Twittelator Pro, which drag me to the platform. On the Mac though it's a no contest. I'm staying in the hope that FriendFeed will see further updates. If this doesn't happen and if it rots on the vine then I'll consider other services. For now though FriendFeed seems the best there is out there.
- JSLeFanu
have we passed 100 comments yet so Scobelizer will take note
- Chris Heath
No, nobody uses FriendFeed any more. I certainly don't.
- Mellissa Claus
I still use FriendFeed, although I haven't been as active as I would have liked, as of late. :(
- Tyson Key
I didn't want to respond to this yesterday but I think it's really sad that blogs\news try to put things into the Deadpool before they actually happen. Throughout my career I've seen this, X is dead and in many cases they still exist. Why does media (including blogs) feel it is there role to speed up or create a death? My view is that if they are still talking about it, it's normally still doing OK.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I especially liked how she called us idiots as we had it wrong this whollllle damn time. Oh yes, because she's in the superior position to make such a crude judgment call. Dumb fug.
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, who's she? and where did she say this? now i'm interested...
- Chris Heath
I do, but I wish there was a way of filtering what the Facebook app posts, e.g. no "@" replies...
- David "Lefty" Schlesinger
from Nambu
I use Friendfeed a lot more than Twitter because there is less noise and spam so it's fine if the numbers are low as long as they keep running it. I do spend most on my time on facebook because that's where my close friends and family are. It would be easier to be here if there was interaction on any of my posts.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
@fake name (Twitter vs. Jaiku) ...It's not like I actually use Jaiku, but I see that it has threaded conversations. That's an improvement right there.
- howard shippin
I find myself using friendfeed even more after the acquisition. I usually start conversations here and auto-post to twitter. I just seem to get more interaction here than twitter. I get a few @replies here and there on twitter but its usually my close friends.
- Bryan Lee
so am i... maybe it's december, not friendfeed? students are back to their studies, business people realize that the quarter ends in september and so on... i've cut my browsing to minimum - no twitter, no facebook, only friendfeed
- Kirill Bolgarov
Off topic: Do your Twitter updates come as fast as usual or are they late? Because mine are unusually late. Google Reader shares too.
- rukku
Reading the disclaimers on a fake news scam site that will set up recurring payments for Acai Berry and Colon Cleanser: "This website, and any page on the website, is based loosely off a true story, but has been modified in multiple ways including, but not limited to: the story, the photos, and the comments." Sigh.
I came home and found firefox has popped one of these about the google linking one. It is interesting how they've stuffed the comments. It even had the share buttons etc!
- Phill Price
from iPhone
I love small groups of developers who are working together to make the web better like this meeting of a bunch of developers. At top is Matt Mullenweg and Dave Winer. This is happening now at Berkeley. Will report more later.
- Robert Scoble
from email
I believe Twitter uses HTTP polling from the client and rate limits it to 150 requests per minute
- Thomas Beutel
Can someone there please tell them they need to fix the IP issue (edit - I see Matt has already mentioned it)
- Nick Lothian
My 2 questions still are 1) How do we make it easy to run inside a firewall and 2) Can servers really scale, especially when I would suspect the potential for "spanning clients"
- Bill Grant
Nick, yeah, it came up early in the meeting (on the audio)
- Matt Mastracci
that should have been "spamming clients"
- Bill Grant
Although noone brought up the specific "datacenter" issue... @glenc also mentioned it was an issue for Yahoo!
- Matt Mastracci
There's also a lack of subscriber verification that needs to be brought up.. all you need to do is get someone to say 200 OK to this protocol and they'll get spammed for 25 hours.
- Matt Mastracci
I must be old fashioned but as a client I prefer asking information and getting it, rather than for the potential of servers all over looking for me
- Bill Grant
WP rssCloud had an issue in 0.2 where you could specify a path of "@otherserver.com/path" and it would subscribe that other server. (fixed in 0.3)
- Matt Mastracci
Someone ask about integrating activitystrea.ms into rssCloud
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - your short domain got redacted too ;)
- Matt Mastracci
Ustream needs to fix that, or we're just not going to post over there
- Jesse Stay
PSHB doesn't have the last mile problem to the same extent as rssCloud, because you can choose IP _AND_ Port to subscribe, which will work better for NAT traversal.
- Nick Lothian
Robert, that's Joseph Scott from Salt Lake City - tell him hi for me
- Jesse Stay
what is Facebook using for their updates? or are clients like Seesmic just polling?
- Thomas Beutel
Jesse - I've had it work before. But even a basic search online isn't allowing links through. Normally moderators/admins have permissions under that widget by the send button in Ustream. They changed the defaults about a month ago - and nothing shows under the settings.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney, yeah, it's a pain in the neck - I've had the same problems with shows I've administered
- Jesse Stay
I'd like to hear more about naming (.tel?). I was also thinking about reverse lookups, i.e. resolve the feed from the identifier and vice-versa (for the benefit of the cloud and feeds it produces for indexers etc)?
- Andy Chantrill
discovery for atom is very easy ... - I see Matt M. just posted the info
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Why are they discussing a new namespace? It's already supported.
- Matt Mastracci
Maybe not now, but I'd really love to see some discussion on activitystrea.ms - if you want Facebook or MySpace that's the way to get them in
- Jesse Stay
I noticed Feedburner hid the places they ping a few months before PSHB came through. Wondered why that was put threw a few pings into my WP sites manually
- Courtney Engle
I think the discussion here is almost just as interesting (and possibly more) than what's going on in the room. I wish we had more of them participating.
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, it kinds of sucks that there's a wall between the two. Something to keep in mind for future meetings
- Matt Mastracci
BTW, Robert, Joseph Scott (the guy from SLC) is the guy that wrote the rssCloud Wordpress plugin. He works for Automattic.
- Jesse Stay
@bear - why do you say that? A rssCloud consumer just gets the whole feed. Obviously it needs to know what to do with it, but that's the case anyway.
- Nick Lothian
And aside, seriously PSHB > rssCloud for many reasons. I don't see a reason to create two "standards". I'd LOVE to understand why Wordpress opted for rssCloud.
- directeur
isn't activitystrea.ms format a different namespace than rss and/or atom?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Good luck with Bluehost - I know people that work there and their service is horrible!
- Jesse Stay
Matt - a wide angle webcam would be spiffy for future meetings - or TalkShoe/BlogTalkRadio to just use audio only works well.
- Courtney Engle
nick - wait - so an rsscloud update is the whole feed?!? not just a single payload item of the latest history?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Nick, I don't think so, it just gets a notification, not the feed
- directeur
bear: rssCloud subscribers get a simple ping (POST url=blah) and are expected to scrape the whole feed themselves.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt - thanks for setting up ustream, good to listen in to this discussion...
- Bill Grant
rssCloud is a ping, and the client goes out and retrieves the whole feed I believe.
- Jesse Stay
@Nick when PSHB does that, that is from the publisher to the hub? or all the way to a single client?
- Bill Grant
I just asked Matt why he went with RSSCloud. He said "it seems like a good thing to do." he also said they will do PubSubHubub too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That makes sense - I would do both too if I were them. Let the aggregators decide.
- Jesse Stay
Bingo, competition is always a good thing.
- Jeremy Felt
It's a shame that the IP address endpoint question wasn't answered. That makes it a non-starter for Google, Yahoo and anyone else with a distributed datacenter.
- Matt Mastracci
I'd love to also see more support towards OMB - I really like that protocol
- Jesse Stay
@Bill Grant - it's only from the hub to the client. It retrieves the feed from the original server in the same way as rssCloud (ie, gets a ping, and then grabs the feed). However, you can chain PSHB Hub servers together, so only one needs to respond to the ping (not sure if rssCloud supports that or not?)
- Nick Lothian
just had a rush of ideas - man I need a day job that just lets me code on social web stuff.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@matt - your blog post is almost the same as I was thinking. xmpp pubsub back-end with a PubSubHB and/or rssCloud front-end
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, yeah. I implemented a gateway from Pubsubhubbub to XMPP this morning (last night?) as a proof of concept here: http://pubsubhubbub-xmpp.appspot.com/ It's unlikely you'd get that working in rssCloud because of the subscription API limitations, thought.
- Matt Mastracci
@bear SRV records for subscription endpoints? So if I'm plaggypig.tel, I could just set up a bunch of records for all the aggregators/services that I want to use, rather than the cloud assuming it should be the source of my request?
- Andy Chantrill
andy - I was mentioning SRV as the way to broadcast the XRDS or other list of endpoints on your service. This gives a way for people behind firewalls to advertise internal services. But I could also be completely not grok'ing how rsscloud info flows.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@bear Why use XRD documents when DNS is right there? $ dig rss.andy.tel NAPTR; I thought you meant using SRV records as well to define my subscription endpoints (I could have several).
- Andy Chantrill
andy - then it sounds like i'm making an assumption that isn't matching reality - I still haven't done a test implementation yet of rsscloud so apologies if i'm clouding the issue
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear - rssCloud and Pubsubhubbub are both based on opt-in (via HTTP POST) notifications that happen via HTTP POST whenever content is updated or changed. The publisher notifies the hub via HTTP whenever content changes, and the hub then notifies the subscribers.
- Matt Mastracci
Just realized that the IP restriction thing means rssCloud can't work with virtual hosting (ie, anywhere more than one domain is hosted on a server). Found that out when trying to implement it. Yay.
- Nick Lothian
Great now I have many more questions than answers. Thanks for the conversation on the details of the distribution systems gents.
- Mark Essel
Re "One thing, though. I actually like the bigger photo and no map." -- I added a setting on the site integration page to make thumbnails be max FriendFeed size (height 175px). You can always turn off maps with phone options.
- Bruce Lewis
If you're banking on Google to recover your car after a grand thief auto, you might want to try other resources. Bing?
- Micah Wittman
Me and my family just picked ourselves up off the floor and dried our eyes after ROFL'ing profusely at this...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
LOL! <sarcasm>I am going to go talk to the Race Czar's about this immediately!</sarcasm>
- EricaJoy
if you search for "blakc peolpestole my car" you can see the same result.. just change for the correct one and take a print screen... hahaha this is hell funny
- Rafael
huh...I tried both and neither gave a 'did you mean....' Why the difference?
- George Gray
George, this was from earlier. I think it's probably been fixed by now.
- Thomas Hawk
I can't reproduce the results either. Even more proof that Google's damage control department works real f-a-s-t
- BLOGBloke
I can reproduce these results (as it's fake). 1 - Do a google search for 'balck people stole my car' 2 - when the results come back, in the search box type 'white people stole my car'. 3 - Screenshot and fool everyone.
- Will Higgins™
Thomas...ah...I was catching up on my feed and didn't notice when the message posted. Still, I have noticed different results when using Google from: the browser search bar, going right to google.com and when logged into google via iGoogle. Weird.
- George Gray
Dude, you win 1000 times over for use of the word 'colored'. I'm about as far from a racist as you can get but that shit cracks me up every time.
- Akiva Moskovitz
i think that google isnt racist, but people that use it yes..infact google shows firstly the most popular results.....this is my opinion..and please apologize me formy english..i'm italian!w La pizza!
- Lyssa
they did it as the Chinese government did.
- xiawinter
"“If that’s where they wanted to end up, that’s the right move for them,” Twitter co-founder Biz Stone said in an interview with VentureBeat, acknowledging that the company approached FriendFeed several times and would’ve considered buying it at its reported sale price of $50 million in cash and equity."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
“They’re moving, while we’re changing very fast. When technology is evolving at this pace, companies get closer then they change and drift apart. No one would’ve said we were competing with Google until this year when we changed our homepage.” Is twitter really ready to compete with Google?
- Edwin Khodabakchian