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Carmen Drahl
A session on alternative metrics turns cathartic- folks talking about colleagues who don't get/value online efforts #scio11
A surprising number of pre-tenure faculty in the room talking about whether or not they'd highlight their online contributions in their dossiers. So, in a couple years, there should be a lot more stories about whether it helped / hurt / didn't affect tenure. - Steve Koch
Hey Steve- this is a great story idea. I know of a couple such pre-tenure faculty. I will put it on my back burner... - Carmen Drahl
I agree it would be great story! Maybe tough to write, since many of the parties involved would be unwilling to talk and / or, honest info about the process may be impossible to obtain. I submit my dossier this fall and I will definitely highlight open science and get support letters from friends I've met online. If I don't get tenure, it won't be because of open science, it will be despite it. - Steve Koch
Best of luck Steve! - Jean-Claude Bradley
Let me know if I can help with a letter or something, Steve. Break a leg! - Bill Hooker
Thank you! - Steve Koch
Well, Steve, if you need 'testimonial' about how what you do influences what others do in terms of open science, let me know. I keep going back to your lab pages to 'learn the to-dos', and use it as an example. I am now finding colleagues becoming curious about the process too so I keep sharing your lablove with them - Kubke
Kubke, that is wonderful! Thank you :) - Steve Koch
Carmen Drahl
.@zaknight's chemistry rebuttal to #arseniclife DNA arguments in author FAQ h/t @NeilWithers
This is such a great story for the role of the blogosphere to accelerate scientific understanding. I think it is helpful for the author to respond to criticisms in some manner. But the data on the rapid hydrolysis of As analogs looks very strong to contradict their hypothesis. At least it should be readily testable by making some As oligos, which I would assume they are pursuing. - Jean-Claude Bradley
From what I understand they have had several requests for the strain and they're working to produce enough of it to distribute. They seem to be open to collaboration since at one of the press conferences the senior co-author mentioned that they couldn't do everything themselves. I'll be interested to see what kinds of follow up chemistry are done inside their group and out. - Carmen Drahl
To give the NASA team credit they do seem serious about providing samples which is exactly the right thing to do. There are lots of relatively easy tests that can be done in specialised labs once the strain and/or DNA are available. - Cameron Neylon
Andrew Su
Survey: How many scientific articles do you estimate that you read per year? (really read, not just skim...)
Maybe a couple of dozen (not including reviews -- I probably do 20-25 of those a year, and each requires at least one close reading). I probably skim 5 or 10 times as many as I really read, where "skim" = glance through intro/discussion and take a reasonably close look at the results, usually to pull out some particular piece of evidence for my own use. - Bill Hooker
3000/500/100 (read abstract and saved for later/skimmed/read carefuly) - Pawel Szczesny from iPhone
(Remember, Pawel is The Man Who Reads Everything. Mere mortals should not be judged by this standard.) :-) - Bill Hooker
10-15 across all fields these days. When I was still in the field probably half a Pawel - Deepak Singh
Really read in-depth? Probably a dozen. For most articles, I just skim and take the most relevant parts. - Chris Miller
carefully read: 200 (I have time-slots devoted solely to reading ~10h/week), re-do the math: 20 - marcin
From 1997 to 2007 I saved 1350 PDFs on my hard drive. So 135/year. I think I read all of them fairly carefully. In the 20th century I also read actual paper copies so more, maybe about 200. Now I read less and skim more, no paper copies at all, lots of abstracts by RSS feed. - Dave Lunt
Read carefully - several dozen per year. Skim/read selectively - hundreds. - Mickey Kosloff
I'd say I was around 1000/500/100 when I was in grad school - Mr. Gunn
@MrG -- what about now? I 'fessed up, now it's your turn! - Bill Hooker
Not just skim? Title to references? Less than a dozen, certainly. - Björn Brembs
527/277/108 according to Papers (sort by date of import/sort by last opened/count ratings) over the last year. I do read some via Mendeley, ordinary pdf readers or online. Of the papers whose abstracts I read (mostly via RSS), about one fourth ends up in Papers. - Daniel Mietchen
When I was a phD student and postdoc at least 1 a day, now about 1 a week if I am lucky - Kubke
really, really read: 6 a year. - Andrew Lang
Should this convo worry me and/or folks interested in the peer review process? How many papers of those folks *really* read are ones they have reviewed? (Perhaps they aren't counted in these estimates..) What level of reading should be taking place in the peer review process? - Carmen Drahl
None ... that's a separate list - Deepak Singh
Review requires a close reading, but I think everyone has done the same as Deepak and I, that is, considered the two separately. - Bill Hooker
Thanks for the input. I guess I was feeling sensitive this week because I just wrote about a prominent retraction where details in figures and supp info came under fire: - Carmen Drahl
Carmen, that's not to say that peer review actually *does* in practice what it is supposed to in theory; for instance, I suspect that many of the reviews I see as AE at PLoS ONE and BMCRN were written after skimming at best... - Bill Hooker
Sigh. That's a shame. But I'm not sure what to do about that as schedules get busier and journal articles to review get more numerous... - Carmen Drahl
I'm along the Miller/Saunders lines, not counting reviews though - Attila Csordas
600/150/30 = (skim,add to Mendeley / read & discuss > 1hr, add notes to Mendeley / read & re-read carefully, favorite in Mendeley) - Carl Boettiger
Interesting. We seem to be coming up with roughly similar numbers from a fair range of people. I wonder if we all understand the same thing by "close reading" (I suspect we do), and whether there is some kind of cognitive limit on how much of that kind of effort you can put out. - Bill Hooker
I don't know about cognitive limit, but time is certainly limiting. I'm skimming about one per day on average, discussing about 80, and reading and reviewing about 50 or so. - John Hogenesch
Well, I actually was including reviews in my numbers, but it wouldn't skew the numbers much. Bill - I read more web pages and less PDFs these days, maybe a tenth as many PDFs, but those I do read I read more thoroughly, so maybe 100/50 or thereabouts - Mr. Gunn
Y'all might be itnerested in King and Tenopir's work on how much scientists read, and and lots of others. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Ha, Joe! I was just coming back here to post that! Average researcher reads 250, apparently, mostly found via search & browsing, NOT citation graph (but that could partly be due to poor tools). - Mr. Gunn
Thanks for the link on the jisc article. Don't think I have seen this one before. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Carmen Drahl
Hoping all is OK RT @PolymerPhD: Bill Nye 'the Science Guy' collapses during speech at USC
interesting - instead of helping people just tweeted - Jean-Claude Bradley
I remember reading about how assault victims don't always get the help they need if there are a ton of witnesses.. everyone always thinks somebody else will help. seems like a similar case psychology-wise - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
Abbott Takes Diet Drug Meridia (Sibutramine) Off The Market -
Bad news for diet drugs... - Mr. Gunn
Yeah. I compared the beat to an emotional log flume on TWitter. THere are no ups these days. Only downs. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
slick - do you know who is the target audience? - Jean-Claude Bradley
The intent was to target meeting attendees of all ages- they play this footage on the buses so we hope people trying to decide what to attend will find these sessions appealing - Carmen Drahl
@Carmen... are you still around? Would love to just say hi in person... - Egon Willighagen
yeah. I'll be sitting outside room 153A until about 5:15PM today. Stop on by! - Carmen Drahl
oh, cool... i'm in the last talk in room 155 right now... - Egon Willighagen
Carmen Drahl
Ekins-older scientists more likely to prefer non-collaborative lab notebooks, as opposed to a wiki. @jcbradley thoughts? #acs_boston
that's probably true - Jean-Claude Bradley
Wonder if there are stats available on this.... - Carmen Drahl
Confounded somewhat by effect of tenure -- some older scientists are very into open foo, but recognize that earlier in their careers they might have been more cautious. - Bill Hooker
I think it would be hard to get meaningful statistics on this - numbers are small and how do you define a scientist? Undergrads don't typically have a problem with "sharing" a notebook (again have to clearly define what sharing means) but most of them don't become scientists by most definitions - Jean-Claude Bradley
Bill makes an excellent point that younger scientists may not have the same choice as older ones. - Jean-Claude Bradley
...but this is all going to change, no? Those who begin their career with this technology will always use it. In 30 years, that will be everyone. - science3point0
I think we might be talking about different things - I assume Bill refers to openness. If you are just talking about using technology to share information within a group and not publicly then it doesn't apply. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Yes, I'm talking about *public* sharing -- Open (Notebook) Science. - Bill Hooker
My anecdotal experience suggests this is true, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find hard data on this - NB: if you go looking, and find that article from CSHL or whoever about how scientists aren't using online tools, consider the source. - Mr. Gunn
In 30 years it will be everyone, hopefully 10, but the reward metric is for closed lab notebooks (electronic or not) at the moment. You'd think that tenure would relieve professors of the need to be closed, but as they say you're only as good as your last paper, and the misconception is that if you're open, you can't publish papers. Of my colleagues in chemistry in Australia, I am the only academic with an open project. Given the reward metric in place this is completely unsurprising. - Matthew Todd
A wiki != publically available. Then again, I do not know how easy it is to install MediaWiki on a Windows laptop... I have MW running as my laptop and will soon start using it as lab notebook, now that a can run SPARQL queries against it. - Egon Willighagen
Neat conversation going here--thanks folks. @jcbradley I believe this slide had a continuum of technologies- from the locked up paper lab notebook all the way to ONS. Maybe the speaker would've been better off drawing bell curves around parts of the continuum! - Carmen Drahl
@jcbradley +1 "and how do you define a scientist?" <-- a particularly good question, I think, when it comes to stats - but also in general when we discuss employment-related web2 tool adoption - Claudia Koltzenburg
Mat - that may not be true for long - I had a very stimulating discussion with another chemist in Australia yesterday who wants to set up an Open Notebook - I'll report on this shortly - Jean-Claude Bradley
I suspect there will remain scientists who will want to keep some portion of their lab notebook private - not necessarily that they don't want to share, but they might need that space to work through ideas and try out things. I don't know that full open notebook science is necessarily the end goal, but sharing of notebooks soon after might be? not sure - Christina Pikas
Christina - we created logos for Partial forms of ONS in case people want to indicate that they are sharing either with a delay or only sharing partial information In practice however I think it takes away from the convenience of full ONS where there is never a decision to make about when or what to share - Jean-Claude Bradley
I've published a bit on how "author experience" tracks with public archive of research datasets upon paper publication. Prelim results suggested that more experienced (higher h-index) researchers are more likely to post data. Later analysis suggested this may be because people who have shared before are more likely to share again, rather than age/experience itself. Complex: more... more... - Heather Piwowar
Carmen Drahl
William L. Scott (IUPUI) includes undergrads in open drug discovery efforts for neglected diseases #acs_boston
do you have a link Carmen? - Jean-Claude Bradley
There is a part 2 and 3 also. This one (part 3) talks about his including undergrads: - Andrew Lang
Hey Andrew, thanks for this resource. And apologies to all for the link mishaps today. Apparently Tweetdeck was including punctuation in my link-shortening efforts! - Carmen Drahl
thanks Andy - I found the database on CDD but having trouble finding experimental details - Jean-Claude Bradley
Carmen Drahl
Any ideas on how to 'analyze' and visualize the tweet stream? - Egon Willighagen
Just started googling a bit on options... - Egon Willighagen
BTW, free wireless! So, we'll likely see a lot of tweeting! (Already on site? I'm opposite of the ACS Press Room, 152) - Egon Willighagen
at the airport... waiting for my flight!! Hope to see you there. I am open to any ideas you have about analyzing the twitter stream. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
Has A Blog Entry Or Tweet Lead To New Discoveries? -
That's kind of a misleading question in the sense that most "discoveries" are not instantaneous but tend to come into focus with incrementally added data points. The closest thing from our work that sort of maps onto that theme would be - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks - I posted this in the comments section of the blog b/c I haven't installed the plugin I need to 'capture' FF convos. - Carmen Drahl
Also, there's a discussion going on about Henry Rzepa's work in Nature chem. SEe here: - Carmen Drahl
Henry has certainly been very active in posting very detailed and interesting new work on his blog - Jean-Claude Bradley
Egon Willighagen
Carmen, what do you think of these questions? A link with the new candidates is clear... Eric Preud'hommeux (World Wide Web Consortium) is likely going to talk about these kind of things at our #acsrdf2010 symposium...
Hey Egon-I took a quick look and don't feel qualified to comment. I know very little about Alzheimer's disease biology. - Carmen Drahl
I've only occasionally covered the medchem of an ALzheimer's drug in development. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
On Blood Thinners And Rat Poison -
Mmm... no semantic info... :( How can me make it easier for chemical bloggers to add an InChI to there blog, for, as in this case, warfarin... something in-browser, that would look up the name in ChemSpider/WikiPedia/PubChem, and automatically add the needed RDFa... - Egon Willighagen
Egon, I think we could fairly easily do that with Reflect ( We are already considering to (optionally?) inject RDFa into pages when we process them. The main thing holding us back is the lack of agreement on a schema for RDFa annotation of scientific texts. - Lars Juhl Jensen
Plenty of agreements... just pick one you like. For example: :) Most importantly, it would add the InChI (likely invisibly to the user) But reflect does not help *write* a post, or does it? - Egon Willighagen
No, the idea would be that you could simply "read" the post through Reflect using the API, and that way get RDFa into it even if the author didn't put it there. I think there is much better chance of getting good coverage of text sources by doing it this way than by making an authoring tool. Even if you had an authoring tool, my pessimistic guess is that most authors would not use it. - Lars Juhl Jensen
Yeah, I certainly see these practical issues... but it would keep guessing what the author meant... that leads to a lot of problems... text mining is nice, but not the final solution. - Egon Willighagen
I completely agree with you on that. That's why we allow people to correct the errors on the pages, which means that authors and readers alike can fix the mistakes that text mining will unavoidably make. - Lars Juhl Jensen
So, how do you get people to use reflect? That is, when I am at Carmen's page, there is nothing there to make me aware of Reflect... - Egon Willighagen
Hey folks- not sure how I can help- is there a Wordpress plugin available for this? - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
This just made my day- Paul Bracher (Chembark) is back!
Yeah, he was the 8th blogger enlisted on Chemical blogspace... good to see him back! - Egon Willighagen
You know, out of curiosity I went into Chemical blogspace to see what my old "she blinded me with science" blog was listed. Was I really #7? Crazy!!! - Carmen Drahl
Indeed: But should the RSS not be updated? Or are you not using this blog anymore? - Egon Willighagen
I don't use that blog anymore. I'm leaving it up for posterity. Who knows? Maybe someday I'll return. You'll be one of the first to know if I do! - Carmen Drahl
Well, Cb did not start before 2006 or so... so, plenty of chem blogging at the time already... those were good days :) - Egon Willighagen
Do you know if there will be attempts again to get together for scientific blogger (and/or tweeters) at the ACS in Boston? I know there was an attempt in Chicago three years ago... BTW, where's FriendFeed The Chemists room?? - Egon Willighagen
You know, I haven't heard anything. Usually there's something posted on the Reddit chemistry group. Let me know if you hear anything. - Carmen Drahl
Egon Willighagen
Carmen, say I would like the RDF symposium in Boston to get some extra attention... how would I go about doing that?
Hmmm... a couple of ideas. This is typically a little late in the game but you can try contacting ACS's press office. Sometimes they will allow fliers advertising certain sessions. But the fliers must be in generally accessible language. - Carmen Drahl
C&EN's reporter covering this division is not going to be onsite. But you can try contacting her to inquire what she is thinking of covering and offering your assistance. - Carmen Drahl THis is the reporter. - Carmen Drahl
OK, great! Thanx for the pointers! - Egon Willighagen
Carmen Drahl
ACS Livetweeting: First Disclosures And Pharma Blog Panel -
Carmen, happy to hear there is coverage... - Egon Willighagen
Thanks Egon. Both Leigh and Lisa's tweets are in my Friendfeed now. SO things might get a little confusing at first, but it will be worth it to read their tweets in Boston via Friendfeed. - Carmen Drahl
I likely will not have internet... common ACS problem for foreign visitors... :( but otherwise, I'm rather tempted to join help digitize the new structures on e.g. ChemPedia... - Egon Willighagen
I'm looking forward to drawing again... just one person tweeting seems a bit short... I will not be able to attend Sun afternoon, but nothing scheduled for Tue yet... I'm eager to see the structures added to - Egon Willighagen
I think it will be easier to import things with Leigh tweeting since it looks like she's using CHemDraw. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
Back from lunch. There was some discussion there about how open the morning sessions truly were, if connected to a patent model.
I think many people are categorizing "closed collaborative tools" as Open Science. That probably causes much confusion. - Jean-Claude Bradley
It might be that the organizers have a broader definition of what open science is, or it might be that the conference aimed to expose the two groups to each other to start a dialogue. I'm not sure the event changed anybody's mind though. - Carmen Drahl
Yeah, the creative use of 'Open' is not new, and likely of all times... :( - Egon Willighagen
Carmen Drahl
Liveblogging Open Science Summit-Open Source Drug Discovery -
Thanks folks! Hopefully we'll get something useful out of the exercise. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
Next week I'll be here: open source drug discovery, tech transfer, what would you like to read about? #OSS2010
see you there - Jean-Claude Bradley
let's be sure to have lunch or dinner. I'm also scheduling visits to some chemists at Berkeley so I'll let you know when works. I'll be in CA from Thursday PM through Tuesday AM. - Carmen Drahl
sounds good - I'm coming in at the same time and leaving Sunday morning - Jean-Claude Bradley
Carmen Drahl
More On Malaria Open Innovation Announcement -
Thanks for answering my question Carmen - if it is true that the expectation is donation of all derivative IP there is an opportunity for participating groups to share their progress without much delay - Jean-Claude Bradley
I agree- if it comes to pass it will be a really exciting test for open innovation. Thanks for connecting me with CDD. It took a few days for us to connect actually- our email servers were misbehaving and bouncing all Sean's emails back :P - Carmen Drahl
oh no - I'm glad you were persistent! - Jean-Claude Bradley
"GSK would hope that scientists will contribute any new findings/data to the online data source and to donate any IP into a patent pool for diseases of the developing world." -nice - Andrew Lang
It's really good to see that all ODOSOS components are now acknowledged by the pharma industry! - Egon Willighagen
Carmen - here is an interesting comment from the WSJ article "If the Glaxo compounds are used to develop a drug for other types of diseases, then the company "would consider" the intellectual-property issues, a Glaxo spokeswoman said." - that seems to imply that at least some derivative work will not be open. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Carmen Drahl
Can open innovation be a panacea for neglected diseases? What's the utility of an open-source patent pool? My co-blogger Lisa Jarvis would appreciate hearing thoughts from the open science community!
Need some concrete example in order to have an opinion - the discussion is quite vague as to what Open Innovation means. - Matthew Todd
Yes it isn't clear to me either - I've asked a few questions on the post to see - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks folks- I see that you and Lisa already got a conversation started on the blog. I need her to brief me about what happened at the conference in more detail to be able to contribute to the conversation further.. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen Drahl
Orexigen, Contrave, And Obesity Firsts -
very interesting perspective - I would have expected the chronic use of an opiate antagonist to lead to dysphoria as a major side effect - Jean-Claude Bradley
I guess that's what the bupropion is for -- to buffer mood? - Bill Hooker
that's a plausible motivation Bill - although I still wouldn't risk it - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks for commenting folks--My understanding was that people on bupropion alone were sometimes losing weight anyway. When I reported the article in 2009, the company told me that bupropion is thought to boost release of a hormone that reduces appetite and increases metabolism- the naltrexone is in there to block some sort of compensating mechanism that occurs in the brain when you take bupropion long-term, facilitating long term weight loss. - Carmen Drahl
Some people lose weight on ALL antidepressants. About the same fraction of any treatment group gains weight on the same drugs. Anyone who claims to know why is lying, and if they are selling something you probably shouldn't buy it. I'm with Jean-Claude, I wouldn't try this. It has the distinct odor of snake oil. - Bill Hooker
Carmen Drahl
#scio10 intro: Carmen Drahl, C&E News -
#scio10 intro: Carmen Drahl, C&E News
very nice that you're there - see you soon! - Jean-Claude Bradley
headin' back to JFK to fly to RDU very soon... - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
looking forward to reuniting/putting faces to names. see you soon! - Carmen Drahl
Jean-Claude Bradley
My first talk at ACS09 fall meeting on Crowdsourcing Solubility and ONS -
Did someone set up a ACS2009Fall room, perhaps? - Egon Willighagen
no I haven't seen one - just checking the acs keyword for my friends for now on FF - Jean-Claude Bradley from email
(and @carmendrahl) how many people are live blogging from the ACS meetings now? Intending to be at the next one. - Matthew Todd
not sure Mat - I'm mainly keeping track on FF - Jean-Claude Bradley
No wifi or even mobile phone signal in CHEMED area at ACS09. So no Live Blogging, tweets, anything. Ugh. - Liz Dorland
Enjoyed your presentation--great stuff. THX for link on slideshare. Is game still "live" in SL? - Liz Dorland
Liz there is a version of the Spectral Game still in Second Life on Drexel Island but it only has a few spectra. The web version has over 1000 and updates based on new Open Data spectral submissions - Jean-Claude Bradley
@matthewtodd - we weren't quite liveblogging, but C&EN had about 7 staffers + 1 guest blogger at the meeting. I don't know how many C&EN folks will be at the next meeting. No idea how many bloggers covered it overall- I don't know whether the ACS press office tracks that. Hope to see you in SF. - Carmen Drahl
Jean-Claude Bradley
On the Advisory Board of Chemical and Engineering News -
On the Advisory Board of Chemical and Engineering News
Congratulations! (Even though it means more work...) - Bill Hooker
congrats!! - Abhishek Tiwari
Congratulations. Is that C&E News, the famously open access journal? ;) - Matthew Todd
thanks everyone! Mat - there are times we have to be flexible :) - Jean-Claude Bradley
Not just me- you also had support from my editor, Amanda Yarnell. Great to have you. - Carmen Drahl
Carmen - please forward my thanks to Amanda as well! - Jean-Claude Bradley
Congrats! :) - Berci Mesko, MD
Jean-Claude Bradley
txteagle | Mobile Crowdsourcing -
Looks like a similar concept to the Mechanical Turk but on mobile devices - thanks to Carmen Drahl for finding it. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks- this company grew out of the company founder's MIT dissertation- he gave free mobiles to undergrads and tracked their social networks and schedules. It was surprisingly simple to do, with one exception. The day the Red Sox won the World Series, everybody did completely unpredictable stuff- went to different places, etc. - Carmen Drahl
Jean-Claude Bradley
C&E News article on ONS and FriendFeed -
C&E News article on ONS and FriendFeed
Don't thank me for video quality... props to Andy and Rajarshi for recommending Camtasia, and to Ty and Tchad (web crew at C&EN) for the finishing touches. - Carmen Drahl
@Carmen. Very nice work. - Andrew Lang
Love the videos - really good intro to the use of Friendfeed in particular - Cameron Neylon
Carmen Drahl
Visiting Jean-Claude Bradley -
Sorry it took a few days to get this post up and running! - Carmen Drahl
very nice overview of the Second Life quiz! - Jean-Claude Bradley
Jean-Claude Bradley
We're gathering examples of the use of FriendFeed for concrete accomplishments in science for an article due in a few weeks. Please add examples as you think of them to this GoogleSpreadsheet. -
So does the spreadsheet aggregation itself count? - Cameron Neylon
@Cameron yes I suppose - if we get enough entries :) - Jean-Claude Bradley
@Cameron your proposal writing using FF is a classic - Jean-Claude Bradley
You could add further examples to the "expanding the reach of conferences" one -- there has been lots of excellent liveblog coverage of conferences. (In a little over a week, Science Online 09 will no doubt join the list.) - Bill Hooker
@Bill yes we can add a few more examples (there are so many now) of conferences - note that this is a chemistry journal so the reporter will probably focus on those if possible - Jean-Claude Bradley
Well the on the fly CID to CAS lookup by Rajarshi is a clicher..the chem journal should really like that kind of stuff - Hari
Added Survey of the protein in WP: - Pierre Lindenbaum
Added sorting papers on impact factors: - Pierre Lindenbaum
I could add: FF motivated me to learn new things (isn't it concrete ?) e.g. learning SPARQL. - Pierre Lindenbaum
@Pierre - those are great examples. The longer conversations really highlight the strengths of the platform. Yes the article will cover things more broadly but I thought it would be nice to have a table with some nice examples - Jean-Claude Bradley
@Hari - yes good example, although I wonder if everyone will be happy with the way it started on Twitter (I can't repeat the comments here :) - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks for your help, everyone. I'm the science reporter working with Jean-Claude. I'm also trying to brainstorm ways how one might represent a FriendFeed conversation to someone who only uses the web for very routine things, and may not be familiar with social networking tools. - Carmen Drahl
@jean-claude - added my one. @Carmen - Friendfeed has been described as the Higgs boson of the web2 world. No-one can quite describe what it does... - Cameron Neylon
@Cam - thanks I like that example - Jean-Claude Bradley
I learnt so much from friendfeed, a great way to keep abreast of development, since it is not possible for everyone to read everything. - Aarthy
@Cam&@JC The 'Invisible' Higgs Boson may not exist, though it would be cool if it did. We'll hopefully find out when they get the LHC online, but don't hold your breath. :) - Andrew Lang
So, do we need to build a Web2.0 LHC to figure out what FF does? :)I'm still getting used to all these layers- I was going to ask Hari what his abbrev's meant and then I clicked on the spreadsheet. - Carmen Drahl
@Carmen this post is turning out to reveal what happens when over a dozen human particles collide on FF - for constructive purposes :) - Jean-Claude Bradley
@Cam - this comment stream is itself an example of what a FFeed conversation can provide. While I think the analogy to the Higgs boson is generative; it's not because we don't know what FFeed does. We're demonstrating and documenting it right now! - Bill Anderson
@Bill - that's fair and I think I mangled the original quote anyway - here is the link http://scienceoftheinvisible.b... - Cameron Neylon
@everyone Thanks for your contributions! We've got 12 examples showing both individual conversations and FF rooms. I separated the multiple links into their own columns so that you can click on the top left corner of the cells and to right to the web page. - Jean-Claude Bradley
Seconded. I very much appreciate everyone's help. - Carmen Drahl
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