Does anybody else agree with Dare? - Louis Gray

I certainly don't. His comment seems to indicate ignorance of what Google Wave is. It's so interesting to me that everyone is focused on Google's overlay instead of the engine. - Karoli

I disagree. What features of Facebook or Twitter does it lack (or will it lack once more bots, extensions, and UX improvements are developed) that makes it not a contender for an open-web communication and collaboration tool (i.e., social networking service)? And it is capable of so much more. - Tinfoil 2.0

I disagree. All you have to do is watch the Google Wave demo at their IO conference. After watching, digest the information, then go ahead and send a traditional email. You'll see how necessary Google Wave really is. - Kevin Pruett

I don't get how it's "opposite" or, if that is true and means something, why that would be bad. - Fred Yankowski

disagree. - vijay

If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0. If it promotes spontaneous conversation and mild amounts of social preening, and moves the ball down the field from other services, it will do just fine. And all google products by default start as successful, because they don't individually need to monetize. - Christopher Galtenberg

(I like what you did here, Louis. What's that word for the person at a party who gets beers in everyone's hands and talking? You that :) - Christopher Galtenberg

@LouisGray We're having a great debate about Google Wave here:http://friendfeed.com/google-... - Jorge Escobar

^---- Yes, anyone interested in Wave should read Jorge's thread. - Tinfoil 2.0

I haven't looked at Wave too closely, but I tend to use FF/Facebook/Twitter in a very different way from email. In fact I don't use email outside of the corp environment anymore and there the integration between, outlook, office communicator and office live meeting is really awesome. - Chris Patterson

Well, I said two things; (i) it is the opposite of Twitter and (ii) it will fail. which one do people disagree with? :) - Dare Obasanjo

The spirit (at least as I see the statement's essence) of what Dare is saying is right - that apps that take it to the next level BUT are accessible to the general public are the ones that will succeed so cooking up a French masterpiece is a recipe for failure when all your customer wants is taters and ground beef (feel free to correct me if I misstated your premise Dare) - that said I think its way too early to determine Wave's future because the practicality of the applications developed for it are going to be the determining factor - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

I won't have an opinion until I give Wave a try and see how it fits into my life. - Roger Benningfield

email 2.0 is really asking what does real time communication look like. Wave is probably not the answer. But the platform maybe very useful for the next generation of real time web mashups. - Aaron Fischer

Being the "opposite of Twitter" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends what you mean by the "opposite of Twitter." For instance you could mean that it will have very few users but make massive amounts of money. Could you clarify. - Adewale Oshineye

Dare, I don't even see it as being in the same league as Twitter, but if I reeeeaaaally stretch, I can say that it is Twitter five iterations down the road. Not the opposite at all. It also won't fail. You just won't see it, because it will be the engine driving apps people use every day. - Karoli

wave reinvents IM, not email. - Cliff Gerrish

I assume you mean that it's the opposite of Twitter in terms of its complexity, versus Twitter's simplicity. But I think it mostly *seems* complex. There are really only three parts to it: writing (or inserting pictures or any other content), commenting, and who can see it. What you choose to use those parts to do is completely open, from chatting to email to working on documents together. So I think it may take a little while for everyone to "get" it, but I think once they do it'll be huge. - Tom Small

I am excited to starting coding against the new Wave APIs. Just wait till you see what is possible. There's a reason a room full of a few thousand developers gave a standing ovation for about 5 minutes... go dig into the apis and you'll start to see the magic. or stay up at the surface with the rest of the so-called experts in the tech-blogo-sphere and talk the talk. My advice: pay attention to new dev projects using Wave APIs & follow the developers. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

I agree, it's not the google wave "application" that is the big deal, but the infrastructure - this will be the backend for so many cool things. - Jack Jones

"opposite of Twitter" could mean a bunch of things. it could mean that Wave is the opposite of Twitter architecturally -- a network of federated servers, instead of whatever 386 Turbo is under Ev's desk. :-D so then the question becomes, "does Wave scale?" is it ACID? do updates have massive latency? what happens when millions of users start beating up on it, when you've got 500,000 people simultaneously commenting on a Wave Oprah wrote? :-D for all of Twitter's Fail Whales, at least their problems are *centralized* and not distributed. - Karim

"opposite of Twitter" could also be understood from a user experience standpoint. the limitations of Twitter also make it simple -- you don't have to worry about fonts person A has but not person B, for example. there's no threading in Twitter. but in Google Wave you can create Waves from other Waves, leading to the usual BBS-type refrains of "why did you start a thread/Wave for that? there's already a thread/Wave for that," fragmenting of conversations etc. even though this is a problem it supposedly solves. people dig up old Waves and add comments to them so they float to the top of your list, etc. etc. the expectation of instant replies -- which you don't have on Twitter, etc. etc. - Karim

I think what Dare means is that Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter in that Wave will stay up 99% of the time and people still won't use it. - Scott Koon

finally Wave could be considered the "opposite of Twitter" in that there is the expectation that people will get "real work" done using Wave; i.e. you will be putting your company's confidential information in there, which doesn't happen on Twitter. Federated Wave servers address this to a degree, but then you are adding complexity and sysadmins and hardware and the need for backups, etc. -- all the things that go along with having your own email server. Which you don't have with Twitter. - Karim

Scott, people said that about FriendFeed, too... :-D - Karim

I still hold to my beliefs that wave is just googles take on twitter. - John Shue

Wave looks great to me. - Wo

Dare is wrong. I'll be suing it the minute it comes out but not as a Twitter/Face Book/Friendfeed app (even though it could theoretically do any of those) but as a collaboration tool. - John Hardy

to my mind they are opposities in architecture/PoV: while a tweet on twitter = a blip on a wave, you usually look at twitter from a single tweet on towards the rest of the conversation (bottom up). On wave, you start from the top, as the whole conversations unfolds before you (in case you use the wave client as a UI). - Björn Klose

@Christopher Galtenberg (If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0) Good point - Amiroo ™

I do, but the answer is already in front of us: Location based, mobile, social networks like Brightkite. - Brandon Mendelson

yes, but for the business folks (the folks who can not get their heads out of...) need something that is close to email 2.0. If Google has it then lets see it - Braden Douglass

An apple is the opposite of an orange, right? - dthree

Wave is complex relative to Twitter's simplicity. But just because it's complex compared to Twitter does not allow for claims to be made that it will "fail". I do agree that there is a "what comes after Facebook" question, Wave can be the next gen platform. But will your parents use it as a replacement for email? I don't think so. My take? It will evolve. And not in the corporate world. Agree with Chris Patterson regarding MS Communicator and Live Meeting. - Todd Weidman

I think we'll see Twitter and facebook adopt wave. Imagine both of those organisation using the platform with their own apps/engines on top. Twitter probably first as it will be easier for them, but I think the wave functionality will work better in the FB environment. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

the comment is rather ambiguous so it's difficult to respond whether I agree with it or not. - Jamie