hahahahahahahaaa [Edit] Somebody wouldn't give her his telephone number?????
- Kamath (नमः)
I think an important element to this that isn't immediately obvious (if you don't click through) is that this is addressed to Gary Vaynerchuk of Wine Library TV, who has started to use a video as an email auto-responder: http://tv.winelibrary.com/garyvs-...
- Mark Trapp
This sniffs of a transparent Lonelygirl15 spoof to promote Gary's book, 'natch.
- joshua fouts
Yes, Vaynerchuk's video response to email is significant, and Andrew's dislike of same. I think the video is great, it may be Rocketboom 2.0.
- Dave Winer
I've fallen victim to Gary's auto email reply, with his video link, before. lol.
- Louie
liz, message from gary: "please mail it to 586 Morris Avenue Springfield, New Jersey 07081 marked ATTN GARYV URGENT URGENT URGENT thanks will get back to you in two to three weeks"
- Deva Hazarika
yeah, I'm undecided. Since I began my love affair with high thread count sheets, it might be hard to transition to anything else. Plus you jersey and flannel don't look great in white
- Triston McIntyre
I have yet to meet a thread count high enough to compete with flannel or jersey for sheer softness, imo
- Leslie Poston
see the softness isn't what I'm going for..I like weighty and hefty sheets that have a certain consistency to them. I know that flannel has some weight, but if I remember from my past relationship, jersey is very light.
- Triston McIntyre
Yes, Jersey is quite light. I compensate with a comforter on occasion, as I often like to feel like I'm under something substantial as well.
- Leslie Poston
It is a damn shame that this story is evolving this way. Changes happen, business change focus or return to their focus. Good for you getting you position out there.
- Rob Diana
Thank you for support Rob, I am kind obviously upset it was made public but in this situation I just had to put my own thoughts into public as well. I'm sorry all of you had to participate in this, definitely not my intention.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
@K Welch: Thank you, trying hard to keep this professional and get out of the chaos as soon as possible. Appreciate your support!
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Best of luck to both the departing writers and Profy going forward.
- sean percival
The way i saw it was that Mark was pleased that a competitor "appeared" as though they were crashing & burning and obviously a celebratory post was in order to gloat & spread the news. That's how it looked to me as a reader of both blogs.
- Zee.
@Zee: Thanks for the comment, I have always thought Profy was not big enough for Mashable to care but if it is the case I am genuinely pleased :)
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Reality check here...why is it "news" when a writer moves outlets? It happens in print all the time. If bloggers want to be treated like journalists by journalists and the public at large, one thing I have learned as someone who has ridden both sides of the fence is that the closer you are to the story, or if you have a personal interest in it, the more likely it is to fall flat on its face.
- Andrew Feinberg
@Andrew: Very reasonable, I myself do not think it is news at all, I can actually hardly remember how many people blogged for Profy in 2 years. But when someone made it public, I was forced to comment myself since in this strange world when you refuse to comment it means that you are guilty, not that you don't think it's worthwhile.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
and for that reason only I'm responding to the post here, for the record. The fact that this conversation is even still going is a bit ridiculous. However, I'm here to clarify that I did, indeed, sent proper and professional notification of my resignation. If there is any doubt that resignation was tendered due to Svetlana's comments, consider this: why would I or Leslie jeopardize our...
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- Triston McIntyre
@Triston: Sure, I never said I did not receive your emails - I did receive them. But the fact remains that I got to know about your resignation from Mashable because you waited to send your emails until I went offline for the night. And how professional it was to start waving our dirty linen publicly!
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Bullshit! One writer leaves and the rest follow! Professional my Ass! You should have at least given enough notice to Profy to find new writers! If I were a Blog I would never hire a "professional" like you! Forget about a blog, I would not hire you to wash floors at MacDonald's! And do not call me a "Troll" just to hide from your unprofessionalism!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
People you block should disappear entirely.
- Paul Buchheit
AJ: no, they aren't in any of my lists. They do, however, still appear on the "Everyone" tab.
- Robert Scoble
@Paul: Thanks! You should know better than Scoble ;)
- AJ Kohn
AJ: Paul isn't quite right. ;-) Blocked people still appear on the everyone tab. But they disappear everywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. I haven't gone to the Everyone tab in ... ages. I like the information flow but that unfiltered view is just too much.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: you're missing the most powerful thing on FriendFeed, then: the "everything tab search engine."
- Robert Scoble
after blocking, you only see them if you run an "everyone" search and they might come up if they or their discussions fit the search terms.
- Steve Isaacs
@Robert: Hold on, so the search is different if it's performed on the friends page versus the everyone page? I guess that makes sense - and you're right, I can see the value of searching on everyone ... Thanks!
- AJ Kohn
we need a friendfeed blackbelt post - unless louis has already done one.
- Morgan
I think this is just more data for Scoble to absorb so that he can learn even among early adopters and "passionates" there are some who are "non-curious" or at least not "hyper-curious". The hyper-curious click and play with everything to see what it does.
- Robert Seidman
Seidman: yes, there are a lot of fun things hidden in FriendFeed that you gotta play around with to find, aren't there?
- Robert Scoble
I wouldn't really call doing a search from the default search form and then seeing the advanced search a "hidden" thing, but it is fun :-)
- Robert Seidman
@Robert: by golly, you're right on the button with good advice again. No wonder so many people follow you. Just tried it out. Excellent result. Searched for "stupid habits" for no particular reason, found Laurie Ruettimann's "10 Habits that Stupid Bosses Love" - http://tinyurl.com/6d6ukf - a really good read for me, another subscriber to Laurie. Friendfeed - you gotta love it.
- Bob Kingsley
Robert, if they're appearing on the "everyone" tab, then that's a bug. I'll investigate.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul: they show up in searches, for sure.
- Robert Scoble
Unfortunately there are still ghosts of blocked people in comments of people that reply to their comments but what can you do? -- life isn't perfect.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: I tried blocking friends of jerks, too, but that didn't really solve the problem. Jerks are very good at getting people to engage with them. Agree that it's a problem.
- Robert Scoble
AJ: I don't see people I block in the like list, nope.
- Robert Scoble
Just tried blocking my first troll with fantastic success. My Friendfeed just got a little less stressful, thanks @Robert. As for the everyone search, I tend to use that a lot to see if someone else has already posted something I'm about to. If someone else already has, I just comment or like on theirs. No need for my extra noise of a repost.
- Pete Delucchi
I just read an article in the NYT about "trolls". I have "met" online what I thought might be "trolls" because they met the definition espoused by the article: http://tinyurl.com/6ljkow . But it occurs that definition could change with what the article termed "fluid morality". What does the word "troll" mean to you here?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: I'd rather call them jerks. One thing I've noticed about jerks (or, at least those who I define as jerks) is that they bring no real value other than attacking other people. Even when they get close to providing value, they do so in a way that disrupts conversation and makes smart people want to move away. Think back to cocktail parties where you've met someone who's being a jerk. They retard conversation, don't push it forward or introduce interesting new ideas.
- Robert Scoble
i don't know if i'm getting lucky - but i have yet to come across a genuine "jerk" or "prick" as i like to call them - oh, except one on flickr of all places. I would really love to get some insight into these people - can anyone direct me in the right direction?
- Zee.
Zee: you'll meet lots of them in the comment areas on sites like Digg or Slashdot.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert thanks for bringing some clarity to that. So you are saying you see a big difference between a respectful testimony to defend a firm conviction as opposed to an attack based on vulgarity or redundancy; ie, Monty Python's famous "I've come here for an argument" sort of thing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
@Robert: Setting our email thread the other day aside (and excluding that person from the example, since I know you have good reasons), how does blocking "friends of jerks" do anything other than limit one's view of the conversation, since wouldn't that mean at a certain point, the people the blocker sees are either unaware of the jerk or self-censoring? That might make their view more "comfortable" but aren't there diminishing returns that come from degrees of separation? (continued:)
- Andrew Feinberg
ah, yeah - on digg i have but i put that down to them being young teens or kids. What about on twitter or friendfeed?
- Zee.
(cont) anyway, how does a social network punish bad behavior by individuals while encouraging discourse and preventing guilt by association or discussion? Would a "point system" be more effective for what you'd like to do than a binary block/no block system? that way the stuff with no value is given no value. I think the binary nature of friendfeed may be a weakness that needs to be addressed. I actually think /. system could be model to build on...
- Andrew Feinberg
Do they get blocked from your or everyone if you block people? This is just a question?
- Paul
The block-ee becomes invisible to the block-er. Third parties who have not blocked block-ee can still see if they so choose.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew's right. If I block someone it doesn't affect who you see.
- Robert Scoble
and if we all block them, do they even exist anymore?
- Triston McIntyre
I did a search across "friends" and found comments from a Troll I've blocked :-(.
- Adam Lasnik
Hard to balance it. Mark's biggest error was not asking for comment in my opinion, but I'm not sure that means he shouldn't have published either.
- Duncan Riley
If someone stops writing and Mashable doesn't write about it, is it news? Gossip column or news site? Which one is it?
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, as I noted in the post, I don't think it was worthy of Mashable either. However gossip is a stretch: it's only gossip where there's no clear evidence. The writers had all stopped writing, so obviously even if it was gossip to a point, there was tangible evidence of something going on.
- Duncan Riley
I got bit by the Mashable story- linked to it because I thought they had vetted the story. This goes back to the argument- are bloggers journalists? Dvorak had a nice roundtable on this issue. Episode #124http://www.crankygeeks.com/episode...
- michael sean wright
Duncan: but is it news? Do you want to be the broadsheet or the celeb magazine? Bloggers can be journalists when they act like them. I never said write like them, but acting like them will go a long way.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, in terms of a fit for Mashable, I don't believe so. But for a site like The Blog Herald, that (at least when I wrote it) covered blog networks and similar heavily, it would have been. In context it was news, but only where it fit.
- Duncan Riley
ultimately I'm sure that eventually someone would have written about it. The absence of 3 great writers from an emerging blog was always going to be noticed. But I wouldn't peg it highly up the news scale
- Duncan Riley
Mark. k on the last comment, presuming it is seriously given
- Duncan Riley
You know, I've tried to respond to this meme about 30 times, and I just can't do it while still protecting my sources. This is pretty irritating, and everyone involved that does newsblogging should know better. This is kicking someone while they're tied up.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Duncan - sorry had to delete what you responded to. See above comment. Apology stands. Sucks that it's a process story now.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark, process it is then. I guess when you wrote "We don’t have the exact details at the moment on the nature of the disagreement" we were led, falsely perhaps, to believe that you were working on conjecture and without a source. Only thing I can say is that you're better off writing something like "sources familiar with the matter." It's fair that you protect sources, but you've now seen the consequences of letting people think that you were without a credible source
- Duncan Riley
I can't comment directly to your question. I'll say this - I didn't imagine or make up the story from thin air, but by the same token I stand by what I wrote.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Right on, Duncan. You don't have to attribute names, but I hve to at least believe they know what they are talking about. And have a damn good reason for wanting to be anonymous.
- Andrew Feinberg
Duncan generated a thoughtful post from the situation that didn't attack Mark, but the ensuing FF discussion has been a bit malicious. Surely hitting a man when his hand are tied is frowned upon for tabloid bloggers and journalists alike.
- Triston McIntyre
@Mark: I don't see any need in protecting your sources, they are quite evident to everyone familiar with the story. And in case your sources are afraid to not being paid for July because of making the story public, this is not the case - I respect myself too much not to pay for their job even after they have put me in the position where I have to explain my editorial decisions to the entire blogosphere.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Duncan this statement is way too general: "Top blogs thrive on breaking stories." Bloggers like dooce could care less, I'm sure. EDIT: would be more accurate saying "news" blogs thrive on breaking stories.
- TDavid
Kudos to Mark and Duncan both for level headed posts reflecting both viewpoints on what seems to be a hot topic, suddenly, judging by the continued comments.
- Leslie Poston
It's silly to have to respond to stuff like that, but your take is insightful and appreciated. Plus, another Cyndy blog I get to subscribe to!
- Mark Trapp
I'm glad you've chosen to make your side of the story visible and that it's so clear you care about the people involved as well. I know you're a great writer and a great mom as well. I hope all works out. I'll keep reading you wherever you end up writing.
- Louis Gray
i think i will have a response to the initial mashable post this weekend - really disappointed in mashable on that post.
- Allen Stern
It's great they gave you a chance, I like your pieces. It's also great you handled this respectfully. But when lots of people bolt at once, it's not high school, or rocket science. Like Louis though I will keep reading you.
- Robert Seidman
Thanks Robert. That does mean a lot. I just think that there is a professional and tactful way of handling this without hurting people. I also don't like the fact that l wasn't contacted to give my side of the story, nor that it makes me look like a flake who bolts like a recalcitrant child when I don't get my way.
- Cyndy
It certainly wasn't my intention to paint you, as you put it, as a recalcitrant child. I think if one of you left over pay/hours/workload, that might be the image (and it would be less newsworthy). When the entire staff leaves, it is newsworthy, and it looks like it's a problem with management, not staff.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I confess I read it exactly as Mark describes it. You being a pouting child sooo doesn't jibe with my view of you that I'd have filtered it out if it did say that. You'll complain about products and services (as you should!) but I don't ever recall seeing you complain about your lot in life.
- Robert Seidman
I don't think Mark penned the hateful piece some of you seem to think he did. It wasn't a look into the minds or intentions of the writers. It was meant to raise the question, "What happened here?" He did that, and I think he did it in a professional manner.
- Triston McIntyre
Cyndy you really are awesome and truly enjoy your down to earth style and thoroughness in your work. I especially respect you for raising 4 children, that's no easy task! I've been out of the loop on this Profy thing and it doesn't sound good. I hope you find a fantastic place to land that makes you happy! I still want to meet with you and Jason someday; afterall, we're in Rochester! Good Luck and keep in touch!
- Susan Beebe
Are you guys in Rochester -- as in ROCHESTER rochester? Might give me a reason to move back. Cyndy the standard needs you, God knows, so go forth and make it work. As for the four kids and writing career mix, you rock.
- jeneane sessum
Jeneane - Yup, Rochester, NY the real deal! I love it. This place rocks. I just enjoyed one of the most beautiful days here. I live on the Irondequoit Bay and am only 5 minutes from 3 lakes too!! soo cool! very pretty here! check out my Flickr stream to see some local pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Susan Beebe
GET. OUT. born and raised there. have some country sweet wings for me. I hope to be up in October for my nephew's wedding -- would love to meet you guys.
- jeneane sessum
Sure, I'm away for half a day, and you quit? Yikes. Guess I'll wander over to Mashable and see what's up. I think it goes without saying I'll be reading too. Your blog post was refreshing. No name calling, calling out, or freaking out. There's been way too much of that lately.
- Charlie Anzman
OMG, Jeneane!! I just checked your LinkedIn and not only were you here, but you went to FISHER! As a CommJ/English major? Wendell. Howard. ;)
- Cyndy
Jeneane - Cool! Niki Black and I just started the Social Media Club here in Rochester. In fact yesterday, I just created the Facebook page for us. http://www.new.facebook.com/group... ... I'd love to have you meet all the local SM folks here in Rochester!! Hopefully Cyndy and I can meet you in October!! that would be fun!!
- Susan Beebe
@Cyndy GET. OUT. Proietti, Skip, Lou Bataglia, Dr. Howard, Gerry McCarthy, Ken. Mason. Are we talkin? Hey, I've even got the obligatory 5 years at Kodak. Yeah guys I really have to get there this fall now!!! Off to facebook...
- jeneane sessum
Jeaneane, I didn't stay in Comm/J long... didn't do very well with Lauren. ;) Doc Howard was my advisor, though. Danced Teddi. Went to Patim's. :D
- Cyndy
maybe we should do a central ny startup event - i know utica and went to school in oneonta - i know its not as far as rochester
- Allen Stern
I'm jeneane.sessum@gmail.com - can't wait to hopefully meet you all soon. Yeah, Lauren. It was Lauren's first year when I had her. What a dolt. I double majored - the English dept was my real home. Dr. Mason was the man. Dr. Howard took care of my piano when I couldn't move it to my apartment. I still keep in touch with Gerry McCarthy. ;-) Ok... i guess I've taken this a teensy bit OT.
- jeneane sessum
Jeneane - YES you do have to come here!! :-) I like Allen's idea too...I'd drive to Utica to meet ya!!
- Susan Beebe
Allen, I'm in. I have friends who live in Utica (some even admit it) -- I think that would be awesome. Fall is a nice time to be anywhere in western/central NY.
- jeneane sessum
i havent been up there since i came to a reunion near utica probably 10 yrs ago
- Allen Stern
I'm betting it hasn't changed much. It doesn't. That's both the charm and the challenge.
- jeneane sessum
Allen I didn't know you did Georgia and NY - that's my DNA. I'm in Atlanta currently. It changes too much.
- jeneane sessum
Leslie - FYI - I just attempted at add Uptown Corked and Blorge to my RSS feeds. The link at Uptown is 'dead' and I don;t see one at Blorge. Food for thought
- Charlie Anzman
I have thoroughly enjoyed your writing on profy Cindy.I will continue to follow you wherever you shall call home next.
- Mike Fruchter
Well, I tried to 'share' this just now ... but it hasn't made Feedly yet. Bummer :)
- Charlie Anzman
Are social media communities more efficient, focused than mainstream media? - http://tech.blorge.com/Structu...: /2008/06/14/are-social-media-communities-more-efficient-focused-than-mainstream-media/