Here's all the conversations on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/search... (all items with five or more comments). Just for anyone who is looking for a conversation. Me? I'm looking to get smarter. I wish there were a filter for smart conversations because most of these are, while entertaining, not making me smarter about anything.
While I see what you're lamenting, I haven't seen much better on twitter - especially since the format reflects the idea of shouting into the void 160 at a time.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
so.... not in English= not smart? Maybe you could learn some of the languages. You'd be smarter then!
- Jim Is Not Smart
Jeremy: I used to think that too, but then I unfollowed everyone and changed my strategy. My lists are very good now for getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: not in English = not making ME smarter unless I translate and, even then, finding good conversations is very difficult. Most of the conversations on FriendFeed are pablum, sorry. For instance, the item underneath this one on my screen reads "Just smashed a finger between a pair of 45 pound plates." OK.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly your definition of 'good conversation' needs revision. If you think that a conversation cannot be 'good' unless it makes you smarter than you have a worldview that's much too small. Yes, that's RAPatton with the smashed finger. If you knew anything about Robert then you might find that post to be significant. You might learn something about Robert and the many, many physical trials he's had to endure in his life.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Smart is not in what information you get, who you talk to. Smart is in how you use the information you get,
- Brian Sullivan
Let us not pretend that twitter is not full of inanities. It's not format, it's users. If you want conversations, start some.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Robert, thank you for sharing that information about smashing up one's fingers. Just the meme presenting itself into my conscientiousness so that it may be drawn up in some future potential accident with my hands may indeed help me by association to avoid it! :) It's not all useless.
- Melanie Reed
Jim: I don't want to talk about everything in the world that's happening to everyone. Maybe you want to talk about Tiger Woods and his problems or how someone smashed their fingers, but I don't. I'm looking for something smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Your request appears to be best handled by Google Wave these days since it is easy to lose threads in most other tools.
- Roney Smith
No Robert you are looking for something Techier which coincidentally does not equal smarter.. Different yes, smarter no. You are starting to act like that annoying person who keeps going to parties just to complain about everything. If you don't want to be here don't be here. I'm getting tired of your weekly friendfeed is dead bash on friendfeed thread.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
robert, what someone... (perhaps louis gray?)... could make is a lazy feed for friendfeed-style conversations. what do you think?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Google Wave is 100x more noisy and less useful than FriendFeed ever was.
- Robert Scoble
If you read that it's more focused and makes you smarter. Here? I don't find I'm getting smarter. I find I'm spending time having fun, maybe, but not getting smarter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- sometimes I think you are just full of it. Have you ever actually used Google Wave?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: yes. I have hundreds of conversations open in Wave and it totally sucks. If you get value out of it you must either have only a very small group of people you collaborate with (I don't have that luxury) or you must be a better person than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you could not have missed my point more than you did. I'm done though... sorry. I like you but you just do not get it.
- Jim Is Not Smart
MIT Courseware is a good place to go to get smarter Robert... http://ocw.mit.edu/ --- since when has FF been a place to go to get smarter... twitter sure isn't doing that either is it?
- Chris Heath
Wave is not for conversations it is for collaboration -- so what you are saying is the way you use it it sucks -- maybe because you don't know how to use it?
- Brian Sullivan
Pffft. Not only do most conversations on here or Twitter not make you smarter, some actually cost you money: "Scoble is an egotistical fatso."
- WorldofHiglet
Brian: even if you know how to use it it becomes noisy very quickly and you can't easily get back to the value that someone left in a long thread. OK, I guess from your message that you only have five people in your Wave. Then it's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Well, some of the stories on that list will probably help expand one's way of thinking... but Kim Kardashian and bed picnics? Knitting Icelanders? Seems there's a relative amount of fluff on that list as well, from the brief glance I gave it. Expand your brain all you want, Robert, it's an excellent idea. But don't discount the play factor in learning... which appears to be kind of what...
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- Bette Cooper
WorldofHiglet: I just sent my $100 to the Food Bank. Was worth every penny.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if your looking to get smarter then get off the internet and go read a book. Or stay on the internet and go to websites that provided educational material. I'm so sorry that we don't provide you with the knowledge that you are seeking....
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Bette: there's always fluff. But now I don't need to dig through fluff on top of fluff. :-) Here I'm faced with both the fluff (and, sorry, compare the link above to the world news link and you'll see there's more fluff here) but here I need to deal with the conversation fluff too.
- Robert Scoble
When my brother decides to step in the poo, he certainly splashes it all over.
- Alex Scoble
Jim: whatever. You obviously get value out of this kinds of conversation. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: I love giving people here what they want: a conversation. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: I read books too (even have a Kindle so I can buy most anybook and read it immediately), but they make me smart about something that happened 12 months ago (or longer).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this isn't the kind of conversation that most of us are looking for. We are looking for fun or meaningful conversation. This here, is accomplishing anything more then wasting time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Ok Robert I feel I need a disclaimer here... I was one of the Scobleites that followed you here, I stayed around though since I found it interesting. But yes you gathered a list on world media, that list though is not you or your conversations.... But look at your twitter feed, your conversations are 90%+ tech.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So where's the guy who wondered where all the conversations have gone? Look at this one... the fine art of avoiding heavy objects, and how to fling poo in a civilized manner. Now that's a conversation! :D
- Bette Cooper
Is this your monthly Friendfeed slam? If so, thanks, see you in January.
- Kenton
Looking to get smarter, or looking to feel superior? I'm allergic to condescension and this post almost killed me :P
- Lo
Lo: the thing is the traffic here has NOT been going up and I'm trying to communicate why. Most people look at FriendFeed and don't see the conversations. Then, if they do find the conversations they see a bunch of noise. FriendFeed is fun for my brother, but not for people like me who are looking for something more specific.
- Robert Scoble
Rasmus: my output is mostly tech, because that's mostly what I want to talk about, yes. But my inbound is much wider than that.
- Robert Scoble
I think the specificity is really where it is at. FF is many things. Specific ain't it.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Good luck finding what you are looking for on Twitter.
- Alex Scoble
Alex: I already found it on Twitter. It's easy with lists.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, in order for some of us to actually learn something; What do you, or any of us, gain by you coming here periodically and posting what is wrong with Friendfeed and the community? It seems to me that if you are looking for intelligent conversation you wouldn't just troll for comments, you'd actually start something worthwhile.
- Kenton
Kenton: it's fun. Oh, so you are admitting that some conversations are more fun for you than others? EXACTLY MY POINT!
- Robert Scoble
And I keep coming here, seeing the noise, and it makes me grumpy. Just like I'm making YOU grumpy! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Why does it make you grumpy? Because you see it as noise and others don't?
- Bette Cooper
Bette: yes. I see noise and not much signal. Makes me grumpy. But, worse, it explains why traffic numbers here have gone down.
- Robert Scoble
Kenton: and, as for starting something, I've already done that: my own filtered feed: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- I wish I could do something like this here, but FriendFeed never got to it.
- Robert Scoble
TRAFFIC has not gone down! Traffic has gone up! Us American folks don't make a website! The people of the world make a website!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
The reason it makes me grumpy is that I don't appreciate people who drive by and fling insults and tell us all that we're doing something wrong. The community here on Friendfeed works for the people who want it to work. If you're only doing it so you can have fun, have it at someone else's expense. Oh, here's a list of all the conversations (5 tweets or more) on Twitter. Oh, wait, how do I do that? How about Facebook? Oh, hmmm, can't do that there either.
- Kenton
Mathew: that doesn't match the statements I've seen from traffic sites. Would love to see URLs proving traffic has gone up.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't becoming better a nobler goal than being smarter? Smarter as a goal is solipsistic. Better as a goal encourages well roundedness and non means oriented connections with other people.
- Todd Hoff
Kenton: it takes two people to have a conversation. If you don't like the insults, don't pay attention to them!
- Robert Scoble
hmmm one man's turd is another mans gold... As I said before why do you come here if you don't like it and it makes you grumpy. To me that sounds quite masochistic... How are we to gauge your conversations? Conversation by definition takes two.. So what comes in through your lists can't exactly be said to be conversations you are taking part of. Your feed on the other hand can...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Todd: that's cool, but I'm already listening to 1,300 on Facebook, 16,000 on Twitter, and something like 15,000 here. How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" Me? I'm ready to narrow my focus to people who are actually teaching me something and making my life more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
He likes the site. That's thing. He can't put it down.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Mathew: Alexa is well known to be very inaccurate. Quantcast is the one that most people use as real numbers.
- Robert Scoble
As noted earlier, also seems language is proximate fundamental limiting factor. Really need Ubiquity add-on or some similar magic to do on the fly translation, (think Aunt Rosy Wavebot style). Seems next major limiting factor on expanding knowledge and integration of global cognition grid is language. This is fundamentally doable with today's tools, but nobody seems focused on making it happen in a way that we can all start teaching the GCG how to translate more accurately, understand slang, etc.
- michael silverton
Well, when I goto Quantcast and see "rough estimate" that doesn't work for me. I want to see something that looks solid. But, whatever, I'm done. No one is going to satisfy you with whatever they bring to you.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jeremy: truth is, I do like the site, but haven't liked it as much lately because everytime I come here I see noise, even on the lists I hand made.
- Robert Scoble
No, you haven't found it on Twitter because it's not possible to have conversations on Twitter. And I doubt it will ever be possible. Twitter is like the modern equivalent of beepers. There's nothing there. Seriously.
- Alex Scoble
Mathew: 20% of traffic comes from Turkey. I could care less about traffic there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Funny thing is I like what you do on twitter, I even follow most of your lists on there, but the persona showing up here seems so very different.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Alex: really? I have conversations all the time on Twitter. I post a URL to my blog and on my blog I have Disqus, which lets me have conversations. Or, we link here, like we do for Gillmor Gang.
- Robert Scoble
"How many more voices do I need to listen to before I become "better?" - is better defined by information absorbed or actions of quality taken?
- Todd Hoff
I use FriendFeed to start smart conversations - I don't need to find ones to join, but there are those, too. I post them to Twitter, then continue them over here.
- Jesse Stay
You may careless about the traffic there. But those who own and run Friendfeed care about ALLLLLLLLLLL traffic, not just US based traffic.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Alex, Twitter can be the start of the conversation.
- Paul Harvey
Todd: Better is hard to define. Some people think better is having Turkish conversations. I don't.
- Robert Scoble
I call it weeding the wheat from the chaff, Robert. FF is an excellent place for relaxing, for finding stimulating tidbits that lead to other things... and for getting a good laugh after a hard day. Oh... and for taking your name in vain... you make it far too easy. :-p Dude, you get what you give. The way it works. You want good stuff, give it. You want laughs, don't ever change....
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- Bette Cooper
Mathew: the people who own and run FriendFeed don't care about FriendFeed. They run a little site named Facebook. You might have heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
I've had some great conversations with David Recordon, Chris Messina, Dewitt Clinton, Cristo, Otto, Stephen Mack, Atul, Steve Gillmor, and more and I don't have to worry about losing the organization of the conversation over here. There's still nothing better, but it's your responsibility to make those conversations happen. I can't do what I can here over on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
By definition you aren't having conversations on Twitter. I get way more participation here than I ever will on Twitter even though I'm sending the same stuff there. Twitter just sucks. There's no way for you to say that it doesn't. It's popular, but that in no way shape or form makes it a viable alternative to friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
You may think that but I don't. And unless you can show be proof to support your statement then I'm not changing my mind. Because if they didn't care about Friendfeed it all it wouldn't be here.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Jesse: true. That's why I link to the Gillmor Gang over on Twitter (I link here).
- Robert Scoble
Alex: you're just as delusional as me. It's a Scoble trait! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Most normal people would say we're both wrong and they point to Facebook as proof.
- Robert Scoble
It's incredibly hard to talk intelligently in 140 characters, and even harder when the conversation isn't organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: when I need more than 140 characters I blog and post a URL. It works. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You know what, I'm hiding this post. I'm done, because all it is doing is angering me and wasting my time.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I have intelligent conversations on Facebook as well - see a few of the conversations (not near as many as here) over at http://facebook.com/stay
- Jesse Stay
Mathew: now you know why I bitch. I come here, see all sorts of noise and it makes me angry so I lash out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but your blog doesn't thread underneath the Tweet like my responses do here. If I need anything longer than this, then yes, I blog.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Facebook is definitely becoming more interesting.
- Robert Scoble
If we have to supplement a program to crutch its handicaps, then it is time to stop using the broken program.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Jeremy: I tried for 18 months to get everyone to use FriendFeed. I failed and will continue to do so because most people don't want to have conversations with people they don't know. That's the secret sauce on Facebook. You know everyone you talk with (mostly).
- Robert Scoble
Twitter has its place as well - don't get me wrong, and there are many smart people there to learn from, but as far as continuing that conversation, I can have much more intelligent conversation here than I can there. I wish more people used a combination of the two, or at least turned on e-mails so they get responses to their FriendFeed shares.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: email bacn is horrid. I turn off email notification from all social sites.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds to me like you need to prune your feed again Robert so you only get the stuff you like, in the language you like from the countries you like.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
"Better is hard to define" - Better in this context is your personal goals, that is being smarter, not the thread language choices :-)
- Todd Hoff
maybe FF'ers are a bunch of know-it-all type of people.,.... therefore they need not get smarter ;)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Gotta run, gang. Keep up the great work. I'm trying to make this Mozilla Raindrop thing work http://mozillalabs.com/raindro... -- YAARF? (Yet Another Aspiring Relevance Filter) Feedly's doing great, but needs Open Calais rockin' and aforementioned realtime translation. ;-) Onward!
- michael silverton
Robert, FriendFeed replies aren't bacon - it's the only way I can stay organized.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I would get too many of them to make them at all useful.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, understood, but most people wouldn't, and should keep it enabled. Or find some way to know when people are responding to their posts.
- Jesse Stay
Anyway, I just checked out the link here again that I started this whole conversation out with and, boy, is it exciting! Not. Oh well, see ya again soon for more self loathing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like you need to set up some lists ;-) The guys I named are a good start.
- Jesse Stay
The other thing that doesn't make sense with this conversation is you couldn't even do the search you did on Twitter. What would Twitter return if you could track responses to original Tweets that are greater than 5?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: one of the major reasons I keep coming back here is for the search. Twitter is rebuilding its search from scratch, so it'll be interesting to watch in 2010 (so is Facebook, btw).
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I spent hundreds of hours organizing my lists here on FriendFeed. I find all I need to do is track you because you get involved in almost every interesting tech conversation here.
- Robert Scoble
They'll need to implement threaded conversations for a search like that to work. I'm listening though.
- Jesse Stay
Well thanks Robert - I use it as a tool. I wouldn't be using it if I didn't find it productive, which is why I get involved in interesting conversations. You know all this stuff better than I though so I know I don't need to convince you.
- Jesse Stay
Worried about getting smarter? Read a book. *says the Librarian, in a "the more you know" voice ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
Archangel: books are nice for knowledge that's 12 months old (or older). It takes that long to publish the damn things.
- Robert Scoble
true. but it's a good in-depth supplement to the quick-hits of 140-character discussions. Plus, political theory - what's currently on the nightstand - isnt exactly on an expiration date (not often at least). ;)
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
My eyes sorta glazed over about half way down this thread, sorry... but I just wanted to correct something mentioned above about "traffic" being up. Alexa says "Reach" is up but "Pageviews" are down about 20% since August http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... And that's global stats. US only is a whole 'nother conversation. Whether "traffic" is up or down depends on how you define traffic... and what you're trying to prove.
- Ken Sheppardson
With each conversation, I learn a bit more about those to whom I am subscribed and I hope they learn a little something about me. I am quite happy with that.
- Michael W. May
There are three major aspects of any social network: Relevancy, Technology and Community. FriendFeed has the best technology, period. The community is also excellent. The difference here is that it has changed from 12 months ago or 24 months ago. When I visit FriendFeed, I am not looking for the deep technical conversations we used to have because the community more accurately reflects...
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- Louis Gray
For Robert, who is a good guy even though at times he can be misunderstood or frustrating, this change in community has decreased the site's relevancy. Couple that with an unclear future, and he is doing what is right for him. I could make some quip about how Robert needs to get smarter more than most of us, but I won't. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, has the community changed or has just a section left? I see people from 18 months ago and my feed hasn't changed much in that time.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, without invalidating the above, I would suggest that you are part of the "new-ish" community that joined after FriendFeed's initial 6+ months. Yes, many of the people Robert and I consider peers and friends who used to engage in the deeper tech talk here have left, but other great folks like you made the place a whole lot of fun. You just have to see what I like or comment on to...
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- Louis Gray
So it has become a little bit more social media than social media...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yes Louis we all get that... What we don't get is why he keeps returning just to lay a brown one every two, three weeks. If he doesn't like it here, he doesn't have to say so again and again. He can just mosey along and think back on the good times. Being the "biggest fanboy" does not give you the right to then come back and be annoying after leaving. We all heard him the first time, if not second or third..
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus, I am explaining the behavior, not endorsing it. :)
- Louis Gray
I don't understand why you think that social networking sites that encourage people to post all the small mundane things in their life is the place to go to find an abundance of intelligent tech discussions. I would think a busy forum whose focus is on tech, inhabited by intelligent people, would be a better place to find what you are looking for. For me that happens to be the forum at...
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- April Russo (app103)
Good recommendation, April - thanks!
- WorldofHiglet
michael silverton (way up this thread ^ ), you mentioned on-the-fly translation tools? - I created them (not in Ubiquity, but Greasemonkey/Greasekit): http://translatorize.com - implemented for Friendfeed, Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca
- Micah Wittman
Back when Robert was 'getting value' out of FF, he mentioned it (the first implementation was for Friendfeed): http://friendfeed.com/fftrans... .... hey, the Scobleizer blog post link is dead! So by my count: Friendfeed *not* dead, blog post dead (Seriously, I looked in the archives, Robert, but I don't see it? Did some stuff get lost when the site was hacked months back?)
- Micah Wittman
Oh, you're talking about one of the ones where he said it wasn't dying. A lot of that stuff got deleted when he was hacked, which is probably the case for that one.
- Jesse Stay
well done, Zee! Glad you're ahead of Peter Andre....:)
- WorldofHiglet
Hi, Zee ! je vais de ce pas jeter un coup d'oeil chez les Britons ;-)
- Desirade
zee - gifted followers = default list/suggested user list - when a media outlet reports on "x account has y followers" it's almost like there needs to be a notation that they were given the followers as a freebie.
- Allen Stern
Strange enough, the link to the PM's wife's Twitter page isn't direct; it's <http://go.telegraph.co.uk/...>...is this done to possibly track the number of clicks or something? All the other Twitter accounts listed are direct links
- Itachi
i thought that everyone has agreed to used "listed" as the new 'count that matters' -- there's more of a meaning to listing someone and there never was a suggested list... however... the more followers you have the more chances to be listed there are ( i guess )
- Chris Heath
Heh, nvm, seems it was a bug on my end. The link does take you to her Twitter page, but while I was mousing over the links I saw the go.telegraph.co.uk link and was a little perplexed why they had that there. It's gone now after a refresh
- Itachi
Honestly, if you want on-demand, 'smart', on-topic conversations for your niche or interests, 100% of the time, consider heading back to specific, zero-tolerance IRC/Usenet/forums for what you want. Or ensure the people you subscribe to *absolutely* only post about these things, all the time. IMHO, it's easier to find the Fountain of Youth.
Exactly, I use such antiquated means for 100% specific information a lot of the time. It's unreasonable to expect mediums such as Twitter are going to be 100% focussed.
- Mo Kargas
Yes, the point of social networks seems to be to expand your horizon through connected *people* and not just one of their specific interests as before.
- Thomas Bøhm
wait.... you found the fountain of youth, Mo? POIDH!
- Jim Is Not Smart
what in the world could you ever be referencing here? i just can't figure it out
- Chris Heath
sometimes referneces so opaque and so inside baseball I just wander back to twitter #justsayin
- WarLord
At ease, gentlemen. It's in regard to this: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... , but moreover to the same whining about the same gripe over and over. Not the first or last time I've heard it. What I'm trying to say, is people are looking in the wrong places.
- Mo Kargas
What I say on all websites: Don't find what you're looking for? Create it yourself or leave. It's simple, but people feed off the attention whining brings them.
- Admiral Anika
Sorry. Forgot to drop the /s at the end of my last comment
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
Understandable, it doesn't always translate on the internet
- Mo Kargas
This is going to be good... i can feel it!
- Chris Heath
(commercial related) Bill Gates likes America & Ford sync is his contribution to saving the American auto industry. Will Sync get licensed in non-Ford / non-American cars? If so, who gets payed, Ford, Microsoft or both?
- echostreamer
John's book is not avaiable in my geographical location on Audible :( ........ Alas...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
If he managed rappers he could be 50 cent Stamp
- Ken Sheppardson
about hodgman's earlier mention, nwa was both a rap group and also a wrestling organization called the national wrestling alliance.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq is correct, i remember it too (although i wasn't a wrestling fan, i knew many who were)
- Chris Heath
dec 6th was my last http://friendfeed.com/search... (generalized link with from:me instead of the specific username so it will work for whoever clicks it)
- Chris Heath
Live now: This Week In Google 20 with Jeff Jarvis, Gina Trapani, and Brian Fitzpatrick of Google Data Liberation Front. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
Item 1: Intel sued by the FTC for "anti-competitive practices CPU: we already know about this GPU: "Intel allegedly once again finds itself falling behind the competition--this time in the critical market for graphics processing units, commonly known as GPUs, as well as some other related markets. These products have lessened the need for CPUs, and therefore pose a threat to Intel's...
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- Leo Laporte
Intel is toast. It has lost in Korea and Europe already.
- Martin
Dell was completely dependend on Intel and its "rebates" for a long time.
- Martin
The odd thing about Dell was that they adopted AMD product lines the very moment Intel came out with its dominant Core 2 chips.
- Martin
Intel totally has the strings of the marketplace right now. Not all of them, but most of them or at least enough of them to affect the market in anti-competitive ways.
- Chris Heath
Well, big difference there, cable companies have government-given monopolies. Intel doesn't.
- Martin
Item 2: First SATA 6G SSD Arrives: Marvell controller prototype tested! http://www.pcper.com/article... ((I can come in and briefly cover Seagate thin 2.5" and WD advanced format if you prefer. Call me on the cell if you need me in there [Allyn])) I think we'll save it for the podcast
- Leo Laporte
Item 3: New Mac Pro will get 6-core Intel CPU http://www.appleinsider.com/article... Intel's forthcoming "Gulftown" 32nm, six-core processor will be known as the Core i7-980X and could be a part of new Mac Pro systems from Apple in early 2010. the new processors will not adopt the Core i9 name, and will allegedly...
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- Leo Laporte
I like that Gulftown brings 50% more cores at the same 3.33 GHz and within the same thermal envelope (130W). All hail Intel's 32nm process.
- Martin
Too bad there are no 4-core, 32nm chips on the horizon. Seems to me like that's where the sweet spot would be.
- Martin
So two Gulftowns in a Mac Pro would be 24 threads? WOW.
- sunkenplanet
Item 7: XXX New VIA Chipset is released! http://www.pcper.com/comment... VIA Brings Enhanced Windows 7 Desktop to Life with World's Most Power Efficient DX10.1 Chipset
- Leo Laporte
I still don't know why I would WANT a tablet. Still need convincing, Apple's good at though. :P
- sunkenplanet
Contest! Email ryan@twit.tv with subject "Gigabyte Mouse"
- Leo Laporte
"Mobile Defense, put simply, helps you protect your Android phone in case it's lost or stolen. The app runs quietly in the background of your device, using a negligible amount of memory and battery power (in fact, its creator says the program employs practically no resources unless you're actively using it). When you install the app, you set up a secure account that allows you to log on from the Mobile Defense Web site. Then, anytime you can't find your phone, you simply sign in, click "Connect to Phone," and you're locked into your Android device. Mobile Defense will pinpoint your phone's location down to an exact address, even displaying it for you on an embedded interactive map. Within the same dashboard, you can remotely lock or unlock your phone and sound a loud "scream" (think obnoxious car alarm noise) through your phone's speaker."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
I'd call this one a HUGE must-have for Android, especially since the devices are linked to your Google identities ...
- LANjackal
Another possible cool feature would be remotely overloading the phone's battery so that it explodes. Nice little surprise for thieves. Not that Neevo would ever officially do this #hint#hint . 3rd degree burn >>> light larceny sentence for teaching a lesson
- LANjackal
Just tested it. Works as advertised, this is amazing. Again, if you have an Android phone. Get this NOW. No excuse.
- LANjackal
so as long as this mobile defense website stays up you're golden, right? -- i wonder what it would take to have it run on your own server so you don't have to depend on someone else
- Chris Heath
A couple notes: 1) It really does run silently, such that the app doesn't even show up in Task Manager. Not too sure if it's visible at the process level though 2) Connecting to the phone creates a live connection between the service and the phone, so it's a good idea to click the "disconnect" link when you're done.
- LANjackal
from IM
Have you tried SecureWave? It would be interesting to check how they compare. I have been using SecureWave and I like it.
- Vinay | विनय
Nope, but Googling "SecureWave Android" doesn't turn up anything interesting from a cursory glance, so ...
- LANjackal
from IM
My bad. It's WaveSecure (https://www.wavesecure.com/). I just installed Mobile Defence and it sure looks a little less intrusive. It also seems to have some unique features. What it misses though currently is the remote backup and remote wipe abilities, that WaveSecure has.
- Vinay | विनय
DROID isn't listed as a supported model, and it's not totally free (the app download is, but you have to subscribe to the service after a 1-day trial). I'll stick with Mobile Defense for now, thanks
- LANjackal
from IM
Strange. I am running it on Droid. And I haven't paid a cent. Anyway, I have both WS and MD on my Droid now. Since neither one takes any resources staying resident, I will probably keep them both.
- Vinay | विनय
I hear you. From the description https://www.wavesecure.com/faq... , however, while you can wipe the email, contacts, etc. it doesn't appear that you can wipe the account off the phone itself, which means all an unscrupulous person has to do is simply redownload the data from Google's servers. IMO therefore the wiping feature isn't that useful. Thanks for the extra option though.
- LANjackal
from IM
There is no possible comment I could make that wouldn't come off as trolling (and I'm not wanting to troll) so.. that's interesting :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Or maybe it shows that a big hole in the hull reduces the value of the ship.
- Eivind
Of course 17 million Friendster users seemed to be porn spam.
- Andrew Leyden
johnny, one good troll deserves another... plus robert's being so cryptic here because he's limited to 140 characters... it's ridiculous, arrogant, and ignorant at the same time... 1) where does this comparison come from and why? 2) where is the logic that gets to his conclusion that the US users are worth more? and what is this worth measured in? last i checked FF wasn't selling ads...
- Chris Heath
This is the context: "Friendster valued at just $26.4 million http://bit.ly/52dHMT FriendFeed was worth more with far fewer users." [edit: this was Robert's prev. tweet]
- Eivind
False. Because friendfeed is popular around the world and friendster is limited to one region.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
from iPhone
Did Facebook buy FF for it's user base? Hell no, it was all about tech n' talent. This has nothing to do with geography. By the way, I'm French and there're tons of intl. users here :)
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
You know what, who cares what the monetary value is? It isn't important other then to investors. The value is what each and every user gets out of the service. And if all you care about is the dollar amount you are empty inside. Either that or you own the service.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
from iPhone
Cell phones are ruining the country. The economy has tanked in proportion to the growing popularity of the iPhone. This is no coincidence, as far as I'm concerned. This is only going to get worse as we're programmed to waste more time. The proof, to me, is the endless chatter about cell phones themselves that I mentioned earlier.
- Chris Heath
from Bookmarklet
"The Twitterfication Of Facebook Is Almost Complete" ~ FB spent past year trying to duplicate “micro-blogging” platform - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
"It has been less than a year since I first suggested that Facebook’s Status API would be the death of Twitter. Almost 11 months later, Twitter is still around and much more popular than before. While Twitter hasn’t disappeared, Facebook has spent the past year doing everything in their power to duplicate the functionality of the popular “micro-blogging” platform. The Year Of Facebook’s Twitterfication In January, the first step of taking on Twitter was the opening of the Status API. Developers could now instantly bring in user status updates into their applications. Within weeks, TweetDeck used the Status API to integrate functionality into the service which was previously exclusively for Twitter users. Seesmic and others followed suit, however Facebook was still missing plenty of features that would enable them to fully compete with Twitter. In April, Facebook launched a service which enabled users to subscribe to their friends and Pages and receive their status updates via text...
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- sofarsoShawn
from Bookmarklet
More recently, Facebook’s ongoing drive to replace Twitter has become clear as Facebook has officially encouraged users to make their status updates public by default. The immediate result has been a dramatic increase in the number of public status updates. With all of these features rolled out, Facebook has essentially developed everything I previously described in my “Blueprint For...
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- sofarsoShawn
the only way facebook could replace twitter is if 90% of the users left the service and celebrities and tv pundits began pimping their accounts 24-7
- Chris Heath
Live now: This Week in Tech 225 with John C.Dvorak, Jason Calacanis, Brian Brushwood, Robert Heron, and Jason Howell... http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
is the friend feed unsuspectingly slow? Is everyone in a secret wave I don't know about
- Andrew Euell
I really want a Droid but what do I do with my Storm?
- Willy Monroe
Leo calling his mom on air, invading her privacy(?) - want her to login to Facebook to see privacy settings, was - as Dvorak just said - radio/podcast history. Great moment. :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Leo, bring your mom on the show next time. We like her.
- Willy Monroe
I can verify that Facebook's privacy settings were all defaulted to "public" when I logged in last week - like Jason says
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Chris Heath: ahhhh. I thought he started on MBW. thanks.
- sunkenplanet
Web enabled TV will arrive soon. Watch internet TV and surf the internet from your easy chair but can the network handle it?
- Willy Monroe
Leo, When will TVs that are internet enabled arrive? We can watch HuLu without running a wire across the living room from the laptop to the TV.
- Willy Monroe
Hey Leo, Did you get the Nokia N900 yet? Whaddaya think about it?
- Robert Cloud
Roz Savage just tweeted: "They stole everything. My laptop, iPhone, wallet, video camera, reading glasses, journal, drivers license. No insurance. DEVASTATED." http://twitter.com/rozsava... :[ Sad news.
- sunkenplanet
@ Richard thank you. I thought it was burried in Bruce's archive. Didn't know that he quoted himself as a reaction to Darth Schmidt. Great quote.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I can confirm that if you have not edited settings in Facebook and log in now it defaults to having your profile and updates publicly visible. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Eric Leone
i guess changing your privacy settings is a good thing then... i had changed my passwords and it kept all my old privacy settings
- Chris Heath
just shut down the video after the not nice comments and images.
- Allen Stern
I just took a screen capture of the Facebook privacy settings. This was with my test account that I have used to test the Facebook Connect service, not an account I just created today. http://screenr.com/0vU
- Eric Leone
of course eric if you had just created the account today then it wouldn't have prompted you about the privacy changes
- Chris Heath
Keep your salary. For the work you do and the trail you're blazing, you deserve the salary, donations and more. Facebook = Walmart. Schmit Vader is a good Sith name. Great show
- echostreamer
Leo, with all due respect, this idea of having people donate money to pay your salary while they still have to endure the ads is seriously screwed up. It's a real insult to your audience. Think about it. I love you man, but this is really messed up. Oh, and don't ever tell people you're objective when it comes to sponsors with this whole Sync/Mustang crap. You edited out my comments on...
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- Bill Heald
Actually, commenting when you dont know the whole story is "screwed up." The donations are a way for the Community to buy into and have a part in the Twit network. Similar to a commune or buying a stake in the network. This model actually reduces the amount he takes from the big picture, while still allowing us to take part (donations.) It is obvious these comments are coming out of old...
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- echostreamer
echostreamer, I love your comment because I love being accused of "old media thinking." I don't give a flying rat's ass about Leo's model, or yours, or anybody else's because I'm speaking as a consumer of the TWiT product. And I'm not going to pay Leo for his media while having to listen to ads, any more than I would pay for any audiobook that was filled with ads. Old media will soon be...
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- Bill Heald
bill, you don't have to donate and that's the point. and if you do donate it has nothing to do with the advertising. as a journalist i'm sure you do know the definition of donate, right? it's not a subscription
- Chris Heath
oh, and why did you delete your first comment... i thought it was pretty good
- Chris Heath
I work in big media also. The only difference between you and me is that I know the ships going down and Leo's got the life raft. I sniffed you out as old media, I get credit for that right? This isn't a multinational corporation, the rules are different for advertising, revenue, and donations (not to be confused with subscriptions.) Your rebuttal is a spelling correction.....nice...
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- echostreamer
No, I don't consider myself old media, or big media, or new media. I'm just a journalist, who does print, web, you name it. I find the term old media in such discussions as a very adolescent pejorative, because journalism is journalism regardless of the delivery media. Or, it should be at least. And my rebuttal was not solely a spelling correction. Read it again. My rebuttal has to do...
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- Bill Heald
Bill, no need to dream we have that already in TWiT and it's network - get off your high horse and take off your blinders... it's been a long day for all of us.
- Chris Heath
and another thought... wouldn't it be nice if you only paid for a newspaper when you wanted to? they do have all those ads in there that you have to 'endure'.... and how come my copy of the paper has ads in the first place? i pay monthly for it, they shouldn't make me endure all those ads!
- Chris Heath
Twit is all free, you dont have to pay anything. Its completely free to all of us. If you are talking about "print" media, you pay for the product AND have to endure the ads. Thats 2 forms of payment and breaks your "rule." (Im sure whatever print you work for has ads and charges for the paper or mag so you are contradicting your own "rule.") With Twit , there is NO form of payment. I'd...
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- echostreamer
Here's the thing: you're right when you purchase a print pub you pay for and there are ads in it. Point well taken. However, when I'm reading a news story it isn't stopped cold by an ad in the middle of the copy that I have to read before I can continue with the story (although as you know a lot of online pubs do have ads you have to work around or click through that interrupt copy)....
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- Bill Heald
echostreamer... don't feed the trolls - this guy is a dunce - don't waste any more of your time
- Chris Heath
Oh, man, I am so busted! Discredited. Exposed. And I thought I had punked you all with my devious, dunce-like trolling. Damn you, Heath! Damn you to heeeeeeeellllllllllllll
- Bill Heald
I see your point, I just think it is short sited. This isn't a multinational corporation where if one division runs out of cash, you simply siphon it of from somewhere else or reorganize you finances. Private companies are different. The ability to donate is for our benefit. If you have a good suggestion, they'll implement it usually mid-show. You suggest shows, guests, formats,...
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- echostreamer
It feels like I'm performing an "Old Media Exorcism" in this thread. "The power of Twit compels you!, The power of Twit compels you! I need an old Geek and a new Geek."
- echostreamer
Heres a thought...LOSE CALACANIS!! Sorry, whether you like a president or not, comparing ANY US President to Stalin or Hitler is unacceptable and you shouldn't tolerate that on your show. Period. I realize 90% of the tech blogging community seems to be on one side of the political spectrum but can we please keep twit about the tech? Please? Please?
- John A Cook
John, wasn't he comparing Schmidt's comments to things that Stalin and Hitler said? I don't recall a US President being brought into that conversation.
- Chris Heath
Also John, one of the beauties of America is our freedom of speech, right?. It sounds like you would rather Leo be more like those dictators and punish Jason for his views.
- Chris Heath
It was definitely about Schmidt's comments that "If you aren't doing anything wrong, you dont have anything to worry about." Calacanis's remarks were about the CEO (president) of google.
- echostreamer
i didn't see the all of her comments.. yes, you're right but she is one of loyal and normal FF user, i think she'll erease these comments..
- N.Onur ATAHAN
Yes, better delete them, or people would think she's a spammer.
- LouCypher
@Chris - would love to hear more about that, since your insurance company is requiring you to violate your merchant agreement with the issuers, thus putting your MC & Visa merchant accounts at risk. Message me privately if you want.
- Anthony Citrano
@LogEx: oh cool, I missed it. I wrote & researched a few articles about this last year. It reminds me a bit of airport security. All you have to do is convince people that it's making them safer and they'll basically do anything you ask, no matter how asinine or pointless. We're not a very smart people. Anyway, I chimed in on that old thread.
- Anthony Citrano
Carnage4Life: For years Microsoft worried about the living room being the future of computing. Turns out what's in your pocket matters a whole lot more. - http://twitter.com/Carnage...
Dave Prowse was the actor who did a lot of road safety adverts in the UK when I was growing up; here he is as the Green Cross Code Man: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mark H
"What this text is about: - Summary of what is happening - What Oracle has not promised - Oracles past behavior with Open Source - Help spread this information (Jump to 'What I want to ask you to do') - Example of email to send to the commission (Jump to 'send this to:')"
- Chris Heath
from Bookmarklet
"Highly trained personnel employed with the private security firm formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide sometimes operated side by side with CIA field officers in Iraq and Afghanistan as the agency undertook missions to kill or capture members of insurgent groups in those countries"
- Anthony Citrano
from Bookmarklet
I've discovered that over 70% of my media consumption (TV, music, movies, podcasts, audiobooks, etc) comes from TWIT, but it costs me much less relative to my bills from DirecTV, Netflix, etc. I've been a recurring contributor since the beginning, and will continue. My only fear is that I hope this doesn't lead to Leo trying to constantly please the audience....the vocal minority could ruin it.
- Larry
70% really? I listen to Tech, Windows, and Google, but that doesn't come close to what you do @Larry. You should step away from the podcast more often. lol.
- Randy Pollock
@Randy, I listen to 10 of the TWIT shows on a regular basis, and only watch about 1 or 2 hours of TV a day at most. I have plenty of time to listen to podcasts throughout the day, but not much time to watch television or movies.
- Larry
when i heard you propose this on the live feed the other day i was thinking 'great idea' -- glad to see you've made the decision and went for it
- Chris Heath
I hope you talked to your wife before doing this.
- Chris Strange
This is just another reason why I love Leo and will continue to contribute.
- Kimmie
Twit allowed me to get rid of cable all together. I don't have a TV at all. Twit provides enough steady quality streams so I get all my media from the internet. Without Twit, I'd probably pay for cable again (boooo!) I started the MMR! (minor media revolution=no cable/satellite/antenna, all media from the internet) Viva la MMR!
- echostreamer
Leo, will get to the tip jar tomorrow. Thanks for the shows.
- Keith Murray
from BuddyFeed
good article shen... i'll 'submit' it for twit on delicious by using the for:twit tag so leo might see it
- Chris Heath
but it doesn't really come to any conclusions... i want to hear jason calacanis' thoughts on this story
- Chris Heath
I Love TWiT and Leo - But, after reading his post I have no idea what this will change or even why he's changed it.
- Jim Connolly
Jim... all that's changing is how Leo does his accounting and pays himself. Previously he was paying for fixed costs like severs with the donation money. Now the donation money is his TWiT salary. I guess it simplifies the 'how much should I pay myself' question and also is a kind of measuring stick for success. I'm not sure why the blog post didn't explain enough to you. Do you still have questions?
- Chris Heath
Seems like a publicity gimmick to me. And after throwing Pournelle under the bus, you can forget any donation.
- Fnord
Fnord... You can disagree with someone and still remain great friends with them... We are all more than one dimension.
- Johnny Worthington
how was Pournelle thrown under a bus? what happened? or is Fnord just being contrary ?
- Chris Heath
Honestly I don't want to take anything away from TWIT, I have been watching Mr.Leo Laporte since 2001 and have loved everything you have done. That being said, Last year I cancelled my cable subscription to G4TV. Not because I did'nt enjot it but because I could DL the interesting parts as casts through MIRO. I also DL CNet, Revsion3 many adobe and photography cast not to mention all...
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- CL1PS
I would be willing to pay a few bucks a year...but honestly, TWiT's quality and appeal depends greatly on the guests. Unless you can let users have a more direct say in your panel lineup and/or topics discussed, I don't think it's fair to expect anyone to pay $1-2 each month. I mean, most people probably only listen to TWiT so it's unfair to make it out like each listener will ever take...
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- Scott Carmichael
Leo, I will pay you whatever you want if you keep Loudmouth Calacanis off your show.
- Fleagle
Donating for your salary is a no brainer ,I'm happy to keep it up
- Randy Nacol
I'll pay double what the Calacanis haters will pay you to keep him off if you get him on at least once a month!
- Chris Heath
Calacanis is a smart fella, strong opinion but smart try to listen to twist sometime
- alex
I've tried all I care to. There are tons of 'smart' people out there, many of whom are much more pleasant to listen to than that tool.
- Fleagle
Well... that's just... like... your opinion... man
- Chris Heath
I'm on the same page as Scott, TWiT relies too heavily on Technolebrity personalities who for the most part really have only marginal knowledge of the matters at hand & b/c of time constraints can not explore the topics at hand. Forums and interaction are lacking, for they lay person, yes I'm sure it's interesting, but for a more precise knowledge of technology, the internet and answers...
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- sofarsoShawn
It's worth it, it's definitely worth it.
- echostreamer
is it just me, or is friendfeed search failing for you too? i'm not getting any response, not even a service unavailable (maybe i'm not waiting long enough, but it's taking forever to search so i just give up) ... google (and Popeye!) here i come...
intermitten failures, I get a good response once every 5-10 calls.
- Jimminy
I tried most general search and it worked. Any more specific ones (like "search my friends for ...") takes a minute or so to show Service Unavailable message. Retries sometimes help. Does search attempts warm up caches? And one of the subsequent requests just fit in request timeout? Is that all that bad with hardware resources at FriendFeed? Is that the way service is dying?
- Myroslav Opyr
Not functioning either for me, I did put in a "bug" report and provided information found here as well as my own. Thank you #Chris for the quick link in the thread.
- H0llywoodWh0re
woah... it seems to be back up... and live again too... anyone else confirm?
- Chris Heath
Friendfeeders: Who's a good domain registrar that has an email forwarding (MX) service that's a la carte (*not* bundled with a full-blown web hosting package)?
I use DynDNS for MX Backup (I run my own mail server, but just in case it goes down...used to be on my DSL line). I THINK they have a mail forwarding service as well. I've always liked their services...easy to use and reliable. And IIRC, you can buy pretty much anything a la carte.
- Ken Kennedy
i know DynDNS is good (an old childhood friend is one of their lawyers) but i've been using eNom for years now (reseller account where you have to put in like $100 initially, but can then just let that be your renewal money down the road) - i've yet to use the reseller part of my account, but their prices are fair (from what i can tell) and they do offer it all if you want it
- Chris Heath
Gina Trapani did the legwork last February to find an alternative to GoDaddy http://ginatrapani.org/spun... Based on that data, I moved a bunch of domains over to Namecheap.com--who say they offer free email forwarding--but I handle my own DNS so I haven't used that part of the service...
- Ken Sheppardson
... The transfer process wasn't as smooth as it could've been (had to have their CS folks kick things a couple times), but I don't expect a personal account rep or anything like it from a service with "cheap" in their name. Since the move, I haven't noticed any problems.
- Ken Sheppardson
yeah, forgot about that ken... thanks for the reminder
- Chris Heath
Thank you, gentlemen, this gives me several good options.
- Micah Wittman
I just reg'd a domain with namecheap.com - comes with free email forwarding! All for under 9 bucks. So far, so good :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah, just saw your post. Yes, I have our NP using Namecheap. And yes, like Todd says you could go with Google (Apps) we use that as well. The MX service works well and use Gapps as our email service
- Melanie Reed
Oooh, I see. Not domain registration, but point the MX record for email service. But that only works for google apps which is $50/yr or something, right?
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, unless you qualify for grant, ie, educational, etc.
- Melanie Reed
Todd, Melanie - thank you! Me <=== *facepalm* How did I not know they offered a free version.
- Micah Wittman
You're welcome and hope it works for you!
- Melanie Reed
I find it interesting that this is the second time on friendfeed in the past month or two that someone did not know that google apps for your domain are free for under 10 users
- Chris Heath
I'm confused with all this Chrome extension stuff. I've had extensions on Chrome for Windows at work for weeks. Was that because I was on the dev channel and now it's on the stable channel, is that what's new today? Does everyone have themes, or is that a dev channel thing too?
I think part one is that it's available on the Beta channel now (you're right, it's been on Dev channel for a while). Part two is that they opened up the official Chrome Extensions Gallery (https://chrome.google.com/extensi...)
- Chieze Okoye
But wasn't that gallery already available on the dev channel? On the new tab page, it put a bunch of puzzle pieces on the bottom right that led to a page of extensions. That was a couple of weeks ago. There are a lot more in it now than there were then, though. Kinda frustrating that they disabled the Mac extensions, though - it's making my brain confused (I've had extensions on both for weeks, now everyone's talking about extensions being new, but I can't have them anymore at home). :/
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't believe that it was available to wide release till today. I didn't see it till today and I've been on Dev channel for a while now, too.
- Chieze Okoye