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The State of Open Source on Firefox's Fifth Birthday - http://www.pcmag.com/article...
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Mozilla's success had demonstrated open source's potential. Pay attention, Microsoft.
He really is bonkers: Murdoch says he'll block Google. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media... Also against fair use.
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The Story of Google's Closure: Advanced JavaScript Tools - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
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Would this have anything to do with the Google Chrome OS? Could they be doing this open sauciness to make the technology read for third party developers?
- Johnny Worthington
great post!
- Jenna Bilotta
agreed... this is the first i'm hearing of this since i have been afk for a few days... good work louis
- Chris Heath
Love posts like this - getting uber-geeks in the loop with each other pushes the web forward maybe more than anything else
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks, Christopher and Jenna. I know this is not destined to be a high-traffic post, but it's the right thing to do, to help understand it a bit more. There are enough other blogs writing "10 Tips for Twitter Lists" already. :)
- Louis Gray
Johnny, I doubt the 2 are correlated, but it is interesting that both Google and Facebook released big Javascript APIs as open source in the same week. Regardless, it's always nice to see companies opening up more, something Google has been known for doing quite awhile now.
- Jesse Stay
Live now: This Week In Tech 220 with Leo Laporte, the LA Times Mark Milian, Frank Barnako, Tom Merritt, and Wil Harris. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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This looks to be an interesting twit. {edit} and it was! Stories: http://delicious.com/twit/220 Plug links: Frank -> http://barnako.com/ Mark -> http://latimes.com/tech Tom -> http://bol.cnet.com Wil -> http://channelflip.com
- Chris Heath
Audio sound weird for anyone else?
- Victor De La Torre
Everything looks and sounds good here
- Dylan Combs
Leo and the gang, please talk about this, its a very important story about new comcast bandwidth throttling http://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...
- Dylan Combs
Will is in chat TWIT LIVE 2
- Michael Holzinger
41993 x 2037= 85539741
- Ministrable
I love my iPhone, worked great when I went to Europe las year.
- Victor De La Torre
Saw that commercial today, thought it was a movie at first.
- Victor De La Torre
The question is... Will my Mum care about openess or does she just want a iPhone.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverag... the exact map tom's talking about
- Chris Heath
verizon is using old coverage maps, and at&t has rolled out a lot of 3g recently (my city got it a month or two ago)
- Chris Heath
When did Verizon commission the ad? It could be an issue of timing only.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
My computer's clock is perfectly in sync with the clock behind Leo. That's uncanny.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Mustangs are nice, until the engine dies on you for no reason. Happened to my dad not once, but twice. Same 'stang, too.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Hey Leo, I downloaded The Men Who Stare at Goats yesterday from audible! Its a great listen :-)
- John Brazel
Destruction By Baked Goods
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
But wouldn't they sabbotage it BEFORE they built it.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
So is the bird from the future, Terminator style?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Mind is being blown as we speak.
- Victor De La Torre
Are they going to bring up ACTA?
- Xenophrenia
I have audio in ustream http://cdn1.ustream.tv/swf... there no audio on BG?
- Emery Walker
Twitlive.tv is working fine for me
- Victor De La Torre
Although it sucks, isn't the RIAA just doing it's job by protecting it's members. Our beef should be with the studios that support the RIAA. RIAA exists as an easy scapegoat and take heat from the studio's door
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Sunshine is the best disinfectant
- John Brazel
http://eff.org/action and pick the ACTA petition (some congresscritters require you to contact them via their site directly, make sure the eff sends to all three of your congresscitters, mine only sent to two) i then had to go and copy/paste the message into the third's contact form
- Chris Heath
http://www.macheist.com/ 6 Mac Software for free.
- p0wermac
Audible Pick: The Men Who Stare At Goats by Jon Ronson, http://www.audible.com/adbl...
- Leo Laporte
Tease: Tom Merritt explains net neutrality using potato salad, the elusive Higgs Boson vs. the LHC, and these are the droids you're looking for.
- Leo Laporte
So far, [Cornel] West finds himself infinitely more impressed by Obama’s mastery of “spectacle” than by his attention to the poor. “In terms of the impact on young people, I think it’s a beautiful thing,” he said of Obama’s election. “But, in the end, even spectacle has to deal with the darkness. - http://misterjt.tumblr.com/post...
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LOL @ tiffany. Very astute.
- Anika
To be fair to Obama, he's never actually said he was concerned about the poor (that was John Edwards). His presidential campaign was built on being obsessive about protecting and improving the lives of the middle class. He just referenced that in his brief speech Friday morning. He wants to get "the middle class" working again. So, in that respect, West is right.
- Jason Toney
The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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"A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather."
- Ken Morley
from Bookmarklet
"Dr. Nielsen and Dr. Ninomiya have proposed a kind of test: that CERN engage in a game of chance, a “card-drawing” exercise using perhaps a random-number generator, in order to discern bad luck from the future. If the outcome was sufficiently unlikely, say drawing the one spade in a deck with 100 million hearts, the machine would either not run at all, or only at low energies unlikely to find the Higgs."
- Ken Morley
I like this theory. It excites me.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Pigeons from the future? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...
- Ken Morley
It's funny, I joined friendfeed just to connect further with my brother...I got that for a time, but in a larger sense I connected with a community and discovered so many interesting people and so many noteworthy stories. Despite what I've written before, to Paul Bucheit and the rest of the friendfeed team, I will forever be grateful for the...
Tina-Marie Simba-Masozera, Thomas Power, Andy Bakun and 95 other people liked this
service that made this possible.
- Alex Scoble
cheers, again.
- Bren, Photophobe
Cheers to you too, Bren...twice!
- Alex Scoble
I'm tyring to like , like , like many times....lol...Alex...wuvs ya
- Bill Heslin
LOL, you guys are the best.
- Alex Scoble
Amen, Alex. I have come to know more people through FF than I ever could have imagined. It may not be as geeky as it was when I first joined, but the community has grown & improved. Kudos to all of you (devs & users) for giving me that. :)
- JA Castillo
Beautifully said, Alex! :)
- directeur
Well said but ... don't cue the fat lady yet!
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I think you have me confused with another Scoble. :) I'm not calling anything over here. :) Just giving thanks.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Alex, are you on google wave? I have one more...
- Anthony Farrior
oh, scratch that, i have 10 invites left...
- Anthony Farrior
That's nice, Alex.
- Anne Bouey
You are my favorite Scoble by far! (Sorry, Robert) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Hmmm.. sounds like the speech that is said before the music is queued up and the lovely ladies come from stage right to escort you off. But Then again.. thanks are not said enough in life so say it often. ;)
- CW™
Yes and yes to everything.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
Long live Friendfeed!!! But even better,long live the relationships....
- Steve
werd!
- imabonehead
Love you! even don't know you! love cool people!
- Farhad Jafari
nice!
- .LAG liked that
Well said, Alex.
- Martha
I don't know if that applies to me but the love extends to you too Alex :)
- Holden Page
Couldn't agree more .. FF still rocks
- Charlie Anzman
FF is the Jewel in the Center of the Internet
- Robert Higgins
tehKenny's list of things that didn't suck about the 2000's.
Katie: Witch Of The West and Chris Heath liked this
FriendFeed
- teh Dork Knight
Google Reader
- teh Dork Knight
Firefox
- teh Dork Knight
Lord of the Rings
- teh Dork Knight
Fringe
- teh Dork Knight
Burn Notice and almost everything that showed up on the USA Network.
- teh Dork Knight
Firefly
- teh Dork Knight
*agreeing thus far*
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Shrek (just the first one).
- teh Dork Knight
Grindhouse
- teh Dork Knight
Adult Swim
- teh Dork Knight
V for Vendetta
- teh Dork Knight
Robot Chicken
- VAL D.
cheap RAM, dual core processors, thumb drives etc...
- Mike Nencetti
Radiohead's Kid A
- teh Dork Knight
BitTorrent
- teh Dork Knight
Google Chrome
- Chris Heath
RT @Zee: If u say 'beer can' with an English accent, you're saying 'bacon' with a Jamaican accent. Mind blown. via http://mylifeisaverage.com/story...
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Peugeot vs Monster - http://i.imgur.com/KitWi.jpg
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mat, davit, şebnem yaldızlı and 54 other people liked this
Harika, süper :))
- Ertuğrul Erkan
beni yıka yazmaktan iyidir :)
- pessimist
Burada da tozlu boya resim çalışması yapılmış : http://infectedfx.net/carmelo...
- levonardo
"Beni Yıka" eksik.
- Onur Taner
hahaha süper olmuş:)
- maça kızı
Arabami ozledim :( Burada Peugeot yok hic.
- Berk D. Demir
Kanada'da Peugeot satışları vardır. Orada görebilirsiniz. (4007 dahil) - Avustralya'da ve İngiltere'de de satılıyorlar. Ama USA piyasası işte, kartel kuralları gereği Peugeot oraya satış yapmıyor, sadece dizel motor teknolojilerini satıyor, Millet orada F-150'lere,250'lere 350'lere, Fusionlara, vs. Peugeot'un dizel teknolojisiyle biniyorlar :) Yahudi adam para kazanmayı biliyor oradan da.
- Acharad Sami VanJoulee
inanılmaz:))))
- BEREN
swiine-flu swiine-flu
Gülnur Öztürk, Jemm, Charlotte Mazeyrat and 17 other people liked this
spider pig!!! \o/
- Bahriye
as i remember they dont have any mask in the movie
- { Zirshalvari }
yep no mask in the movie.
- Yağız
hahaa
- Özge Gürçay
so ?
- zajebiscie
oricınıl halini göstermiş işte so diyip bozma:)
- Özge Gürçay
guzelim boziyorsada kendisi bilir ! adam tomban dir ! نوشتم عزیزم حال کرده اینو گفته طرف تمبونه ها شوخی نیست !!!! رونوشت به زیرشلواری !:)))
- حاج مهدی ©
ahahahahhha...
- el burrito
hehehehehehehehehe:))
- BEREN
I'd really like to see Leo Laporte do a talk-soup type show, that summarizes the best of all the TWiT network shows, doing clips, with banter in between by one of the producers who's putting it together. It could be called This Week At TWiT.
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Anyone else think this would be a great show?
- Matthew DeVries
*waits for it*
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, you're waiting for someone to suggest that that use the @ instead? :)
- Matthew DeVries
Something like that...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
TWiTWiT - catchy name
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
I like my suggested name better Bryce
- Matthew DeVries
Yes!
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
This Week in This Week
- Ken Sheppardson
*still waiting for it*
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Did you offend someone Tina? No one seems to want to give you your satisfaction.
- Matthew DeVries
Apparently so, Matthew =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@TWiT? Mind you, most americans can't pronounce twat correctly ;)
- alphaxion
I would like that if someone else was the host like Enigma
- gerald miller
i like TWiTWiT or TWiT Soup if they go like a direct talk soup style of show
- Chris Heath
Shouldn't it be called... no; wait - I'll have to do this when Tina isn't looking...
- Andrew Terry
Well Gerald, it would appear that I will soon have an abundance of free time...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
This idea I like.
- Nate Pilling
I can't believe that this week of all weeks, not a damn one of you is willing to give Tina, who has given so much to you, her much deserved release! Shame! Blueballing the best of us......
- Matthew DeVries
Tech Soup™
- Dave Friedel
Great I would watch that.
- Bryan Lee
There are too many TWiT shows!
- Manuel Mas
How so Manuel?
- Matthew DeVries
I had a conversation just like this with my buddy Jason. The result was the following TWiTWiT podcast: http://bit.ly/75fBa [iTunes link] What do you think?
- Noah Wolfe
I prefer the name "This week at TWiT"
- Matthew DeVries
I tend to agree with Scoble about the "forum problem", but at the same time I really like seeing comments. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I think it's less of an issue if you keep groups relatively small. re: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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I think the current FriendFeed approach is close to optimal. Do you not see it that way?
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
FF has the inherant ability for the user to take control, both of what they see and the comments they allow. If a user is judicious in their lists and/or filters they should see mostly relevent content (IF that's what they actually want to see). The ability for a poster to moderate comments on their own post gives us the ability to avoid trolls/spam and/or steer the conversation (again,...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Scoble and other "super users" have this problem much more than regular people because they have thousands of subscribers. This is also part of the reason that Twitter probably works better for celebrities -- it's more of a broadcast channel.
- Paul Buchheit
They could have a million subscribers and it wouldn't be an issue, Paul: turn off comments on his FF posts and it would be all broadcast all the time. It's the number of people they choose to subscribe TO that is the issue. To be honest, it's like someone walking into a football stadium and then complaining that it's too loud. If one chooses to follow thosuands of people one must surely expect that the amount of 'noise' is going to increase.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
One thing that was tossed around a while back was the ability to disable comments from anyone you're not subscribed to: that'd allow those with a lot of subscribers to have high-signal conversations that their subscribers can still see and gain value from.
- Mark Trapp
Perhaps he'd like a 'hide user' button similar to FB? This would prevent the "brings people into YOUR life that YOU DID NOT INVITE!" effect... of course the conversation could be rather disjointed. Maybe a small 'additional comments hidden' status that would show them when desired... Of course, without the conversations, FF == twitter?
- Eric Borisch
Paul, can you help me test something? :)
- directeur
The features that would make FF optimal would be to let users follow each other's hides and blocks. For most users this would be a nice, small improvement. For users like scobleizer it might make a huge difference. Of course, implementation details matter.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
The problem is that we don't keep groups relatively small. There are always those who are like me who like to connect, for one, but even normal people add tons of people to their groups. It's just natural. I remember I was first to add 1,000 people to my Twitter account and people thought I was weird. Now thousands of people do that.
- Robert Scoble
One thing with Facebook is they capped it at 5,000 friends. Which kept it from being used by super-connectors but also caused it to be seen as a place where you talk with just your real life friends. Now that public pages are coming on strong, we're seeing that change.
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: the FriendFeed approach is far from optimal. Many, many people told me they don't like joining a forum and like just lurking instead, which is why they chose Twitter (Tim O'Reilly is not the only one who told me this). Tim Robbins likes that on Twitter he can listen to his heros. He sees it as a learning engine. Those of us here love FriendFeed because it lets us talk. But it definitely turns off lots of people.
- Robert Scoble
Paul: the solution is to let us toggle comments on and off. Give the USER CONTROL. If they just want to listen to their friends, hide all the other noise. But then give us who like commenting ability to turn that back on.
- Robert Scoble
You have the ability to toggle comments on and off: Edit -> Disable Comments.
- Mark Trapp
Robert, comments _are_ content.
- directeur
Mark: that is on a PER ITEM BASIS though. Totally useless for what we're talking about.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: yes, but they are content a LOT of people don't want to see or deal with.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but then you'll be a megaphone broadcasting "your" views.
- directeur
Robert has the same comments (or the same potential) on his blog as he does on FriendFeed, so I don't think it's the comments themselves. I think it's the fact that FriendFeed makes comments almost on equal level as the original post, instead of burying them way down at the bottom of a page or requiring a click to view. Out of sight, out of mind, right?
- Daniel Sims
Nothing in the API precludes someone from writing a FriendFeed client that hides all the comments so you just see a river of feed items. That's how Twhirl, AlertThingy, and all the native iPhone apps implement FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
I have two arms. I barely use my left one. Please cut it off!
- directeur
Turning comments off entirely would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If you could authorize other users to delete comments on your items, you could minimize the forum problem.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
directeur: that's right. That's what most professional publishers want.
- Robert Scoble
I really think the "comments are awesome, why would you ever want to get rid of comments" argument falls on deaf ears at this point. The solution ought to be how to turn off comments if you want to get Scoble (or the people he's saying he represents) back on the FriendFeed train, or to say they're not worth it. I do think if it weren't for the comments, there'd be at least a half dozen other things Scoble or people like him would come up with to not like FriendFeed at this point.
- Mark Trapp
I like the idea of having another options to disable comments for people you're not subscribed to. That way you can allow conversation, but limit it to people you "know" if it makes you more comfortable or limits the noise. I think you should have the ability to set the option as a default for all new posts but be able to override it on a post-by-post basis: 1) public comments 2)...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Her Linday-ness: I want that but it would be hard to design.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, I think you make a valid point but then the question becomes: if there are no comments, is FF still the best medium to use? If so, then the ability to turn off comments on one's entire feed should be easy enough to code and implement. I suspect, though, that all things being equal (meaning: there's no ability to comment on an item) FF would no longer be the best medium for a broadcaster.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Mark: I don't think these people will consider FriendFeed at this point. Too much momentum over on Twitter. Look at the news brands: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... you're not going to get them to switch off of Twitter at this point. Sorry. That game is over.
- Robert Scoble
I think the real game is how does Facebook evolve?
- Robert Scoble
The real game is an open decentralized solution. yes, I'm a dreamer.
- directeur
Which leads everyone to wonder why you're trying to nitpick a feature like this, or base your argument on the lack of the feature. The real reason why you (and others like you) aren't into FriendFeed isn't because of the forum problem or the lack of a feature, it's because you think Twitter is better and that's where everyone is. That's fine: that's a great argument. The rest of it is inconsequential to that argument, and wouldn't invalidate it even if you got your way. So what's the point?
- Mark Trapp
I've been talking with a lot of brands and celebrities and regular people. For public studying they like Twitter better. That has Facebook wondering what it will be in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: sorry, but I spent two years talking to thousands of people about FriendFeed and I'm just passing along why they didn't like it. Take that feedback or leave it. Your choice.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: did you speak at dozens of conferences about FriendFeed and Twitter? Did you show hundreds of tech influentials FriendFeed and listen to their feedback?
- Robert Scoble
But your feedback doesn't correlate to the real reason why you, and the people you say you represent, are saying why you won't ever use FriendFeed. You said there's nothing anyone could do to get people to use FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: if I want to listen to ONLY tech influentials, I can on Twitter. I can't on Facebook. I can't on FriendFeed. http://twitter.com/Scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert, if you're going to pull the "don't you know who I am?" crap, it falls on deaf ears. Let's have a constructive conversation on what you're trying to talk about.
- Mark Trapp
Can't you make lists in FF?
- Dragon Goldmaple
Sure you can: you can import feeds and lists on FriendFeed.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: times change and at this point it would be hard to get anyone to take FriendFeed seriously. That said, I believe that it IS possible to move people from Facebook to Twitter or Twitter to Facebook, so THAT is the real battlefront.
- Robert Scoble
any comment thread about 20+ without threading and community promotion/demotion becomes difficult to participate in (for me). Though there is a difference between discussing the radiator on a 94 Subaru and the nature of discussion forums.
- Hayes Haugen
Robert: is the problem really comments or the fact that each time an item gets commented, the items pops back at the top of the list? Regarding the noise, I think that the "problem" with friendfeed is that it was much easier for people to plug in automated feeds and that as a result, there was less of an explicit action. I do not know how other people feel about this but I really miss...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Mark: OK, show me your public list the way I did on Twitter. You can't do that here, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Hayes: BING BING BING.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, so it's not about who you read, it's who you can show that you are reading.
- Dragon Goldmaple
Bing goes the internet! lol
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Sure Twitter has a lot of momentum now, but how quickly the winds change. Frankly, it's a shame that FF is going to be neglected... I wish that someone with as much motivation and insight as Paul and the original team could take it over now that FB has consumed them. There is still SO MUCH potential in this platform that it is depressing to see it squandered. @Robert - I don't think it...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Robert, I don't use public lists: I believe you read my blog post about why I don't. But Hutch Carpenter does, and here's his FriendFeed public list on Innovation Management: http://friendfeed.com/innovat...
- Mark Trapp
Robert, who do you call "influentials"? Do they talk "tech" all the day? Isn't it unhuman? Let's go back to spring/summer 2008, and redefine "smart" for me, please :)
- directeur
Edwin: the problem is on FriendFeed it has the chat problem -- it gets noisy and gets noisy fast.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: influentials are people who influence. I picked them. Shoot me.
- Robert Scoble
The noise is largely proportional to the circles you're in. If you put yourself in a huge room, it will be a loud room.
- Kevin Fox
Robert, do you remember the "MOAR NOISE" phrase? It was THE reason why I built NoiseRiver. Filters, I used to say when you were always saying: MORE NOISE!
- directeur
Kevin: exactly. But on FriendFeed the room gets big VERY QUICKLY because as more people join they drag in their followers with them.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook has the same problem. While we're chatting here, tons of tech news diversity have swooped by.
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, should there be something built in to "warn" others of becoming "chatty". Something that says: "This comment is irrelevant. You may post again when you have something relevant and germane to our discussion"? So WHO makes those distinctions and judgements?
- Melanie Reed
Compare this chat to http://twitter.com/Scoblei... which one brought more information to you? The chat is more fun, cause we're engaged, but it's noisy and if you don't care about it, a waste of time.
- Robert Scoble
Melanie: in a chat room you can't control people that way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: True, but [big number]*[average number] is far larger than [average number]*[average number]
- Kevin Fox
Hayes you are correct. Slashdot has actually had the best discussion forums for more than ten years because it has threading and community moderation. Its not a trendy social networking site though so no one notices. If you had a social network site where you post topics but with Slashdot like forums it would rock. Only down side is moderators tend to inject bias but /. has good signal after moderation kicks in
- Ed Millard
Robert, I don't care about more information. I have more than enough. :)
- Melanie Reed
Does it really have to be one or the other Robert?
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
(Where you (scoble) are the big number)
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: the problem with FriendFeed is if you and Melanie were having a conversation it would be pretty small, right? But I follow you. The second I touch your conversation it gets big.
- Robert Scoble
If only someone could figure out how to make a room that gets big very quickly appeal to broadcasters...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
This problem doesn't happen on the private Facebook because you have two-way friending there and a cap of 5,000. But on Facebook Pages? Absolutely. Noise baby noise!
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: broadcasters don't like any of this because there's no way to monetize. Why do you think Arrington really hated this?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't care about more information. I have more than enough. :) What I would like is what Tad is implying in his comment. You know you can have "...two opposites that have learned how to blaze together" ;) And excuse me, but is wrong with a big conversation?
- Melanie Reed
"The chat is more fun, cause we're engaged, but it's noisy and if you don't care about it, a waste of time. " If someone doesn't care about it on FF, they can hide it and not see it again. Problem solved.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Chatting is not intended to provide information. It is like planning -- it is the process of chatting that is what is useful not the words that are spoken/written.
- Brian Sullivan
Thank you, Tina! and Brian!
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: I love big conversations. That's why I loved FriendFeed. But most people aren't like me.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: there are so many things going by on my screen in FriendFeed that hiding them all would take all day long.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- why is it that you think that people are like you and things should be done for your needs?
- Brian Sullivan
FF is too busy!!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Brian: again, it's not about me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert one word: APML. I used to yell it back in 2008, no one cared. You want "filters" by personal interest.
- directeur
FreiendFeed sold ME on it two years ago. I've been trying to sell others on it. The feedback I'm giving is from OTHERS.
- Robert Scoble
The Forum Problem is a problem?
- teh Dork Knight
directeur: APML will never work.
- Robert Scoble
oh dear, don't hate the messenger.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Robert: who are these "others" and what are their numbers?
- Melanie Reed
Paul nailed it - Twitter is a broadcast channel. Massive amounts of subscriptions are fine there - it's all about reach. But if you want discovery, if you want to engage, then FriendFeed and FoaF is where it's all. They're NOT the same. One you can subscribe/follow as many as you want, in the other, subscription abuse will cripple your ability to view and interact.
- AJ Kohn
Finally, a thread on this subject that makes sense.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Threading may or may not help... it seemed to hurt with GoogleWave... it was so hard to follow all the tangents... of course without threading a lot of the tangents just get lost anyway. I guess I have given up on trying to catch everything... If it's important and I didn't see it the first time, eventually the concept will bubble up enough times for me to notice. That's one NICE thing about following lots of people and participating in lots of convos.
- Her Lindsay-ness
why won't APML, or something like it, work? i missed that memo
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Robert, go say this to Last.fm or the BBC :-) Smart recommendation engines are the future
- directeur
FriendFeed may make some audience/discussion leak out, but also makes audience leak in through seeing what your friends are talking about. Arrington may be mostly concerned about the leak out. Other broadcasters may be looking for the leak in.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Marshall, me neither! :)
- directeur
Also, the meta around the content in FF (likes, comments) is what helps turns random data into information. It's annotated and qualified.
- AJ Kohn
Lindsay: true
- Hayes Haugen
Thank you, AJ, yes. And you can sort that out when you want to on your own time. That's the utility of it.
- Melanie Reed
Perhaps one solution to the 'forum problem' is to allow posters to selectively choose who can participate in the discussion but still be viewable to the public.
- Rodfather
So maybe the real question is, why do some people prefer conversation over broadcasting and vice versa? Is the broadcast-mentality simply a matter of popularity (the inability to reciprocate all the connections, so just broadcast instead) or is the effort it takes to connect with people on a more meaningful basis a major turn-off? Or is it just the tools that people use and what makes it easier for them?
- Her Lindsay-ness
Rodfather, this will bring wars. Trust me. I'm not a commercial object. So you want to SHOUT and ask me to close my mouth? :) Moreover, close comments, other threads will be started and the noise you wanted to avoid will be even greater. The Streisand Effect, anyone? :)
- directeur
For example: this discussion has 80+ comments and rolling. I don't mind that at all. I am engaged. I am also updating a web page on our web site as I do it and switching over to grade 30 some PRF's for students on the play Macbeth. I am not having any trouble with the "forum problem" or any "chattiness" I learned the "ropes" of FF when I joined and accepted that it as it was.
- Melanie Reed
To me FF turns data (the river of content out there) into information (the good stuff - explained). The tool set FF provides is superior in this way - but it takes time to dial in the right set of filters to apply to the data set (which changes!) and many simply overwhelm the great filtering system they've provided.
- AJ Kohn
A lot of people don't want to put in the time and effort to make the tool work for them like you, AJ and Melanie. I can empathize with that. I think it also has to serve their base inclination of either broadcasting or conversation, and the tool choice is also influenced by whether they already are part of a community on it or not. Most people won't leave their community even if it us using the less appropriate tool for their inclination.
- Her Lindsay-ness
directeur, then those people can make their own thread and allow everyone to comment. I'm thinking of in case there's a roundtable event where certain 'experts' in a field can have a thread to discuss a topic among themselves without worrying about others cluttering the thread.
- Rodfather
AJ, indeed - the task is to build new concepts with and for filters. Filters, not to shut stuff out, but to mix it better to create a constant flow of narratives.
- David Bausola
AJ, is it more that FF provides the platform for the users to turn that data into information? The users are integral to FF. Now with Twitter you can program a week's worth of tweets (I have heard) but I don't wish to do that. Facebook... you could almost do that-although it does have engagement -you could certainly use it without. But FF runs on an engagement engine
- Melanie Reed
Marshall: I don't trust automatic systems to guess what I'm going to be interested in next. Never seen a system yet that works. But we should debate this.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, we should debate it! The robot that makes all my decisions for me says it's quite likely I would enjoy doing that! ;)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
That's getting into intelligent agents and AI once full blown
- Melanie Reed
if you ask me, and you don't, the problem has always been lack of comment moderation and threading. Too many users isn't a problem if no one sees them. Slashdot was one of the first doing this, using an interface which is actually very similar to FF and it seems to work there.
- Vincent van Wylick
Web tech needs to look outside their dev environments for richer influences in filter design: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Bausola
Is the problem that Robert is looking for a single service solution. I see the same 'content' on Twitter and FriendFeed but I scan Twitter for 'raw information' and go to FriendFeed to 'discuss' it with others. I watch the news at home on TV but I talk about it with my friends or work colleagues around the water cooler or coffee shop table. I am comfortable existing in several spaces
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
@Lindsay: I don't know. I'd rather educate people on the power that FF can provide with a little effort. Or, that it actually doesn't take LOTS of subscriptions. Max it at Dunbar's number (which is what I do for my home feed) and you'd be fine.
- AJ Kohn
+++ Johnny Scotty would be proud of you: The right tool for the job
- Melanie Reed
@David: Exactly! My home feed - I tweak it. I use people like Robert and Rob Diana and Michael Fruchter and Anthony Citrano and Thomas Hawk and numerous others to bring a mix of themes and concepts into my feed.
- AJ Kohn
So are we saying that its not the tool itself...but HOW it is or is not used that maxes utility? If so I agree!
- Melanie Reed
@Melanie: Yes, the users are the key. The users are the filters. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/soylent... And the engagement provides a rich annotation and a secondary level of filtering. So yes, users and their engagement absolutely matter.
- AJ Kohn
Sure, yes, how you use it maxes utility. But it also helps if it's suited to how you WANT to use it... if not it's a struggle. And people don't like to struggle, even if it's possible to make something do what you want it to... easier to use another tool if it fits your purpose better. FriendFeed fits my purpose so it's not a struggle for me... but for someone with a more broadcasting mindset than a conversational one, it's going to be tougher.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Vincent, most long-time FriendFeeders have spoken strongly against any sort of moderation/rating system for comments. No one wants mobs of people trying to control what other people can see like what happens on Digg. It's why every time the topic of 'Unlike' comes up, people rise up to talk it down because it creates an aura of competition and negativity.
- Akiva Moskovitz
AJ, yes! users are the filters.
- Melanie Reed
Akiva +++
- Melanie Reed
Anybody use Mailchimp here? It is tangential to the discussion. They have a cracker jack built in user educational system that monitors and makes usage suggestions.
- Melanie Reed
Is lunchtime finally over yet?
- Hayes Haugen
I'd love to peek in on the recommendation engine discussions. I'm in the 'they don't work camp' myself but I'm open to being convinced and perhaps technology has approached a point where it could work but ... from working in eCommerce I've seen it fail time and time again. Random factors, contextual issues etc.
- AJ Kohn
@Melanie: Know of Mailchimp but don't use. The 'monitor and makes usage suggestions' sounds interesting though.
- AJ Kohn
AJ, that's because the devs didn't pay attention when their instructors (ahem) were teaching it to them. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Another point I'd like to make is that no one is forcing anyone to read the comments here. If people want a broadcast-only medium, it's fairly easy not to click on the 'x more comments' link. Unfortunately, Robert makes a painful observation: he played FriendFeed cheerleader for two years and the people who needed to take the bait didn't or did but then cut loose. That pretty much means...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Johnny: I am comfortable with all of these too, but it's not about me. But, anyway, the business battle now is between Facebook and Twitter and it'll be interesting to see the choices that Paul's team makes and how those compare with the team NK over at Twitter is making. Then the market will choose which one is best.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva: If I were at Facebook and knew that they could turn into the next MySpace I'd put every single engineering minute onto Facebook. Wouldn't you?
- Robert Scoble
Like I said before, there is still SO MUCH potential here... and it's a shame to see it squandered. I think there are a lot of ways it could be taken to the next level. For sure it could be a contender to Twitter with a few enhancements, but fat chance of that now that there is no longer a dev team, and that it's "parent" is a competitor.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Robert, here's a good example: You want to debate intelligent recommendation agents? Allright, I know that you know Chris Saad. Chris is a very cool guy in fact! But do you know Deniz Oktar? Deniz, who is not as popular as Chris, is a SMART Turkish guy too and works on the same subject. If you limit your view to "popular" people, you'll definitely miss him. And debating such a subject without alternative ideas likes Deniz's or humbly mine, won't be perfect :)
- directeur
Not sure, Robert. Is turning into the next MySpace a good thing for you or a bad thing? For me, it'd be bad.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, go take a look at (and experience) mailchimp's monitor and make usage suggestion system. It's adaptable for a number of scenarios
- Melanie Reed
I think the business battle (other than the marketing to consumers end of it) will be occupied and won by Wave. Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed are mere toys in that world.
- Brian Sullivan
Melanie, I'm not complaining about a solution that MailChimp could provide. I'm fine with FriendFeed as it is (for the most part).
- Akiva Moskovitz
directeur: most people choose news brands to curate and find new people that will have something valuable to say. See http://twitter.com/Scoblei... for instance. That already is TOO MUCH so telling people to get more people or more things into their lives just isn't going to cut it for most people.
- Robert Scoble
Allowing public panels where only the influential can talk certainly would have a useful role, Its just like panels at conferences. A lot of people would no doubt like to just follow the influential in these forums. On the down side it would make the already influential more so and it would probably lose some audience if it was done a lot because there is no democratic engagement. The people who don't spend all their time cultivating their fame and networks do say interesting things too.
- Ed Millard
directeur: and, anyway. if he's in Turkey and not in San Francisco he's far less likely to influence tech in a major way. So I disagree.
- Robert Scoble
(FYI - look at this conversation and tell me where else anything like this could take place.)
- AJ Kohn
No, we're completely boring and worthless, Ed. We're not worth paying attention to. I mean, who wants to see a picture of our kids? ;)
- Her Lindsay-ness
IRC or a phpBB messageboard!
- Joe Silence is not dead
Akiva, I meant for those who might struggle "getting" FF but would enjoy and benefit from it once they do. There's an "on ramp" to FF that rivals North Corridor Dallas coming out of an apt complex on to 50mph+ 4 lane traffic. Some of us are better at that than others, but you still see a lot of cars on the road. :)
- Melanie Reed
There has also been a lack of creative uses using the FF tool sets. Good uses of the tools inspires participation + it's easy to criticize -- harder to create.
- David Bausola
@Robert: Whoa, whoa. Weren't you arguing that adding 8K new people from Twitter Lists was a good thing? Is more better, or worse?
- AJ Kohn
+++David
- Melanie Reed
@David: Good point, no real developer platform. That's been a big boon for both Facebook and Twitter.
- AJ Kohn
Robert, yet he DOES. You just aren't into that speciality :) If you think that every "tech" thing must happen in SF you really miss A LOT.
- directeur
Woah, Robert, so you are saying anyone who doesn't live in SF doesn't count in a tech discussion? That's a little self centered isn't it?
- Ed Millard
I understand it but I really dislike any discussions where the topic seems to be "how can we turn this thing that the people who use it like into something that people who don't use it and would only use it for selfish reasons like?" Screw them. If something's not as "techy" as Slashdot and it's more chaotic because the comments aren't threaded like Slashdot and there's no moderation...
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- Mark H
Lindsay, I want to see a picture of your kids. I only wish I had some to show back. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Ed: you are NOT a careful reader.
- Robert Scoble
Robert's not saying that those ideas can't happen, or that a true revelation can't come from elsewhere, but that ... the likelihood that someone outside of SF to influence tech is less. The Capital of the Internet is SF. I'd agree with that. But that doesn't mean it'll always stay that way, nor does it mean that tech from other areas can't be influential. (least that's how I read it.)
- AJ Kohn
OK I just read it, you still said if you don't live in SF there is very little chance you will have any influence on tech. If you have no influence then you either have nothing to say on the subject, or even if you do have something to say it wont matter.
- Ed Millard
Hrm, I think the whole thing is overblown. My personal FF landing page still has as much utility as my first day (if not more). Bleh, whatever.
- Chieze Okoye
@AJ The FF API is beautiful, I don't think dev communities saw the richness that you can create with the aggregation of FF streams. A few valley PR oriented bloggers pushed 'conversation' as FF's 'killer app' - whereas, the realtime aggregation streams and republishing of content is radical and unique.
- David Bausola
Well I'm pretty sure all the people in Seattle, Toronto, Paris, London, Moscow,Tokyo, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Beijing, Bangalore, Boulder, etc. probably disagree
- Ed Millard
@David: I'll take your word on the API and wouldn't doubt it given the FF team's chops. But fostering usage, that community - that's where things may have gotten shaky. Too few people leveraging it. It could still resolve back to an inability to really grasp what FF can do for them.
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I think you're on to something. Back in the day, usability (including general user and disabled) use to be a well-known topic. Universities made it a part of the curriculum. Everything before and including e-commerce got the once over. But it occurs that the latest generation (including GLS and SM) have outpaced the community standards for usability. It's really the wild west again-...
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- Melanie Reed
Akiva: I suspect the noise problem Robert's describing from others isn't that comment threads get too long. It's that items keep popping to the top as new comments show up, when they don't want to see the new comments. I don't see any way around that except a separate client. It would take too much away from the FriendFeed experience for the default interface not to work this way.
- Bruce Lewis
Mark, I didn't mean to suggest /. is the only solution to the forum problem. If you have really big forum discussions /. is time tested way to control noise and raise the signal level. On the other hand it would probably be a horrible solution for intimate and friendly discussions among friends. Someone earlier Lindsey? kind of had a good suggestion. When you make a post have a row of option buttons and let the poster set the kind of forum for that thread, broadcast, panel, open, modded, thredded, not..
- Ed Millard
Ed: I specifically said "far less likely." I didn't say there is very little chance. But, seriously, this is an argument for another thread. Lots of people think they have influence but actually don't have as much. For instance, I love to think I have influence on Facebook but I'm far less likely to influence that then Paul Buchheit is. Facts are facts.
- Robert Scoble
Chieze glad you like FriendFeed. Me too. It's awesome. But that doesn't mean much to the rest of the world.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, how often do you use "Add This"? It's germane :)
- Melanie Reed
OK we will agree to disagree on that one and drop it. I've lived in the bay off and on, I think there are pluses and minuses to being there.
- Ed Millard
Melanie: "Add This" being the "Add Photos" at top of FriendFeed? Not as much as I should.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: No this service: http://www.addthis.com/ This is fast becoming the SM share button for many websites. Ours uses it. And FF is on it. Take a look at the entire list
- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed's feature set will mean a lot to the rest of the world when it's fully integrated into Facebook in 2011.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: I don't think it'll take that long.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you may be right, in which case FriendFeed is a relevant thing to look at. Maybe it isn't actually too far ahead of its time.
- Bruce Lewis
Just like Lisp can make you a better programmer in other languages, FriendFeed can make you a better thinker when writing about other social networks. Popularity isn't everything, even for a blogger.
- Bruce Lewis
You mean, it's not all about attention? :D
- Her Lindsay-ness
Who really knows why Twitter got all the traction? Does Scoble? I very much doubt it. I think there's a great effort going into finding a logical explanation for Twitter massive success and FriendFeeds more modest gains. My own best guess is that it has more to do with the madness of crowds than it does with any limitation in FriendFeed. Twitter had a decent enough foothold already by...
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- David Hall
from FreshFeed
Twitter got the traction because Twitter's easy. It requires very little effort to get into and it requires even less to participate. It's the same reason why YouTube comments are the cesspool of the Internet and MetaFilter's comments are not: anyone can sit around and watch videos all day and then trash talk them but you make people pay to comment and you'll weed out the chaff almost...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
David: I was there from early days on Twitter and studied how it grew. I know more than you might think. Remember, I was the first person to follow 1,000 people there and I was the 13,800ish user to join.
- Robert Scoble
This link is the most illuminating one on FF traction at the time of the buyout. It indicates FF was just starting to regain traction after it had stalled out for a while and it suggests if maybe FF had stuck it out a while longer things might have changed. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Ed Millard
Twitter got hot in the early days because of Leo Laporte and because of SXSW and because it was goofy fun way for tech influencers to talk to their friends. It just kept growing from there. Another factor in addition to simplicity (Akiva's right there) is the API. Tons of clients and tools and services are built on top of it. FriendFeed got nearly none in comparison.
- Robert Scoble
The difference may be luck of the draw ( a la Gladwell)
- Brian Sullivan
People had to build tons of clients, tools and services for Twitter because the default web UI is so bad.
- Ed Millard
Ed: what that graph doesn't show you is what we now know. Google Wave sucked a lot of attention of geek influentials away (IE Hype) and Facebook's Connect is running away with another game. I went into FriendFeed the week they decided to sell and asked them because I knew Twitter had new features coming that would make FriendFeed less interesting. I think the FriendFeed team looked at the competition and decided to fold.
- Robert Scoble
How could I have ignored the API? It's like Firefox's plug-ins: it's the only thing that makes Twitter usable for many users. Without it, they wouldn't touch it. Heck, if it weren't for Tweetie 2, I wouldn't touch it either.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And Facebook's Connect platform is getting incorporated everywhere. I think FriendFeed was hoping to become part of the general web, like what we did over on http://building43.com and that just wasn't going to happen because Facebook's Connect platform is rocking and rolling now. In fact, I made a fundamental blunder by not going with Facebook on Building43. If I had, our traffic would have been much higher than it is now.
- Robert Scoble
You can be sure that once CNN and other assorted media outlets started plugging Twitter it was game over. Once the band wagon was rolling every "personality" was going to hop on. It is a little disturbing that Miley Cyrus has now joined the "everyone should delete their Twitter accounts" camp.
- Ed Millard
David Hall +1 Steven Berlin Johnson would be a good reference - the persistence of babble is incredible valuable in phatic communications. FF, through the web interface hides a lot of that. Instead, the babble was more bookmark centric and less about 'having a sandwich'. That's why you have, on the whole, better conversation threads on FF, and ending up having to duck out of the way of...
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- David Bausola
Disturbing REALLY????? My word, Miley is absolutely right <sarcasm/>
- Roberto Bonini
To paraphrase Louis Gray's wife, "nerds in startups are fickle". I speculate they had a lot of self doubt when they stalled out prior to that up tick, and decided to sell just about the time FF was starting to take off again. Someone waves $50 million at you during a period of self questioning that is a potent motivator, I think Zuckerberg saw that and he did nip a potential competitor in the bud.
- Ed Millard
But all the above comments is about public sharing. I use FF a lot for project planning and development - it's fast - you can discuss items with good archive search, and you can post media. I wonder how many people use FF in this way, and ignore the public babble?
- David Bausola
Having read most of this thread (and Robert, comments are VERY valueble) the"forum problem" is NP-complete. Comments are valuable becuase seeing people reason is often just as enlightening, if not more so, than the original information.
- Roberto Bonini
Ed - mind you, there's only a few ways you can get to the helm of the FB API design and product development. :) Who's to say this isn't all going according to plan?
- David Bausola
Roberto: me and you agree on that. In my research most people do not. They see these things as noise. But, if you make the comments toggle on and off we BOTH win! Plus, comments REALLY help search!
- Robert Scoble
Ed: correction, it was $50 million.
- Robert Scoble
Robert you keep talking about "your research". Is this anything more than anecdotal conversations?
- Brian Sullivan
David, Well maybe Paul and Co. are doing a trojan horse on FB but what I've read about Zuckerberg he doesn't seem likely to relinquish control of anything he cares about and I am skeptical you are going to turn FB in to FF with their entrenched user base.
- Ed Millard
@Scoble you're arguing from authority again. I think on a broadcast platform like Twitter that's an easier one to pull off. On Twitter it's a big "so what" if you've posted a load of BS because most people will simply miss any challenge to your "content." Post the same on FriendFeed and you get tackled and you get tackled in public. Reasonable enough grounds to explain your current stance and certainly as good as any reason I've heard you put forward yourself.
- David Hall
Robert, I stand corrected, and it is corrected, this editing your posts thing is one of FF's scarier features.
- Ed Millard
OPEN QUESTION: Is FF gaining or losing users? I see very little here now - but I'm told user numbers are going through the roof.
- Jim Connolly
Ed: tell me one thing. What's the biggest difference between FF and FB? There's already not as much difference as you'd might think. The one thing I miss over there? Real time search.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter got big because it's about ego. Look at me, Me, ME! Twitter flourished because people like to talk about themselves. (FF is not, which is why it hasn't gained nearly as much traction.) It was developed as an update service. It has evolved into ... something else. As for comments, they are invaluable.
- AJ Kohn
and the ability to edit comments, moderate comments, import all my feeds, bumping up of older posts
- Holden Page
from IM
Jim: user numbers are not going through the roof here. I don't know anyone credible who has said that. The registered numbers are going up, but the active numbers are going down.
- Robert Scoble
AJ: FriendFeed is just as much about ego as Twitter is. If not more so.
- Robert Scoble
Ed, the goal is to design influentially for the web. Paul B does seem to give that ethos in his startup camp talks and general interviews. I would think FB would warm to that ideology.
- David Bausola
Very true. Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
@Robert: How? Seriously, I'd like to hear your opinion.
- AJ Kohn
Robert: In other words, as people like yourself, Arrington and even those little guys like myself with a couple of thousand subscribers leave - we're being replaced by less active users. Makes sense. I used to check in on and off all day. Now, 2/3 times a week,
- Jim Connolly
Jim: not true. I don't see a lot of people joining in here and I'm watching it closely. Sorry. More people are leaving the back door than are coming in the front.
- Robert Scoble
To me the two big ones are 1) perception that it more walled garden networks and not as open though certainly it has avenues which are more open like FF 2) its home to massive quantities of apps, games, spam from people trying to get rich that hold no interest to me, though obviously many others like them. FF is probably just overlooked by that crowd, if it were bigger it would be infected with all that crap too. FF seems to mostly just be good people from my limited time here.
- Ed Millard
All User Centric Design is modeled around the ego. Good software design keeps that in mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- David Bausola
AJ: Twitter is, for many people, about business now. Not ego at all. News brands: http://twitter.com/#... no ego. Tech companies: http://twitter.com/Scoblei... No ego. But here? It's ALL about ego!
- Robert Scoble
David is right.
- Robert Scoble
On Twitter the default is to show number you follow, number of followers, number of Tweets. That's all playing on ego and popularity. Nearly everything (even lists) is geared to stimulate a innate need to acquire more of something as a way to ... validate contribution or perceived influence or authority. FF does not show this in the default mode.
- AJ Kohn
Companies and brands are the most aggressive form of ego there is, and they usually are direct reflections of the ego of the company's CEO.
- Ed Millard
Alright Robert. In order to reduce the signal to noise ratio, we can do one of two things, we can use "Likes" to filter the comment stream. If I Like more posts from Robert than i do from LG, Roberts comments appear but not LG's. We can use semantics to (somehow) sort the thread and show comments relevant to the original post. (simply dumping noise isin't a solution - not all noise is noise all the time. Likewise, increasing signal in an echo chamber is fruitless)
- Roberto Bonini
@Robert: Oh, I think Twitter is a great business tool! It's a marketers paradise. But I'm not sure that's what most people believe it to be. People still think they're going to get some sort of social dialog there. I think it's why Twitter churn is so high. People get it thinking it'll be one thing and quickly find out it's another.
- AJ Kohn
+1 AJ, there are some people that use Twitter in awesome, constructive, useful, ways like Tim O'Reilly and Jay Rosen but a lot of people its pure self promotion. As for news outlets using twitter they are going to go wherever the eyeballs are, and they will go to multiple networks not just Twitter. Those are pure broadcast, no engagement, they aren't really a ringing endorsement of why Twitter is great.
- Ed Millard
I'd bet FF *would* take off (but be worse for it) if it listed how many times the content I fed got liked and commented on, and that (along with subscribers etc.) were all listed right there at the top of my home feed. And that upon signing up, I'd get suggested users based on subscriptions but also who got the most likes and comments. Yet, I don't think that's conducive to what FF really excels at.
- AJ Kohn
@Robert, biggest difference between Facebook and Friendfeed - reciprocal connections. Without a doubt. The apps, the ads, other stuff, is true, but for me the central difference, and the thing that betrays a fundamental difference of worldview between the two apps is whether or not you can follow someone's content without them having to follow you back. You can only do that on Facebook...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
@Ed: I realized a long time ago that Twitter was a big Internet megaphone. And if you could get a lot of people to 'listen' to that megaphone well, that's powerful stuff. It's about Reach. Twitter gives your message reach. Nothing wrong with that. I just don't see it as ... transforming.
- AJ Kohn
Those who study the art of propaganda consider reach to be everything, because following reach is influence, and following influence is control. TV is losing its reach in the Internet era so most of those "brands" and "personalites" are rushing to find a way to regain it, enter Twitter and FB. They are better because they are bidirectional.
- Ed Millard
*Noise* :)
- ashish
@Ed: I'd be interested to see more on how reach leads to influence. It often does but ... not always. Plenty of multi-million dollar ad campaigns in the graveyard as examples. Reach + ? = influence.
- AJ Kohn
Ed I think you're right. I caught that TC piece at the time too. Seems to me that the FriendFeed guys had a bit of a crisis of confidence and grabbed lunch while it was on offer. In any case I always figured FriendFeed as a place to graduate to once you'd rammed up against Twitters limitations. And, as I'm sure you know, that doesn't take long. That's how I got here. I was actually on...
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- David Hall
You don't have influence until you have reach so its the prerequisite. Then it a matter of how effectively you craft the message and push the buttons in your target audience. Some people are good at that part, some aren't, some fail, some succeed.
- Ed Millard
Robert, I just wonder. Isn't twitter more about consuming the information and FF more about sharing and discussing? Look at http://twitter.com/Scoblei.... What can anyone add to that or comment on that? I agree it is getting a lot noisy in here (exhibit, this post). But not all posts will be this noisy I think.
- Amit
+1 Jandy, she answered Robert's challenge to me better than I did.
- Ed Millard
@Ed: I'm not sure. New memes start with someone small sometimes. Say ... keyboard cat ... and someone who has reach communicates that message and it goes big. So who has the influence? The creator of keyboard cat or the person to has the reach to make it go big? I find it very interesting.
- AJ Kohn
Jandy: +100. You just nailed for me why I like Twitter and FriendFeed better than Facebook. Agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Robertt, maybe this post and the scads of comments prove your point, but maybe your point is limited to your own experience due to your unique position in tech. You speak, noise follows. But that does not make Friendfeed irrelevant or useless for the average or even just left or right of average user. You have a unique experience that is going to color any forum you put your time into....
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- Martha
+++Jandy
- Melanie Reed
Well put, Jandy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think the forum problem is not as big in smaller more intimate groups. Recently I've been very active in the DMU group here that includes a lot of folks who've migrated here from Flickr. The relevancy is much more higher in these venues than in the main feed because it's a smaller controlled experience. I do wish though that groups were more full featured like the rest of FF though....
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- Thomas Hawk
oh of course and photo voting pools for groups would by awesome too. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
Lists are not enough. Twitter, FF and other social networks need tagging by default, then filter on list + tag. That's the element that would kill the noise and turn them into interest networks.
- howard shippin
from BuddyFeed
Martha: you might have a point if we were just talking about me. But we're not. So, try again. Again, I've talked with thousands of people about these things. They tell me they don't like the noise that public forums bring. I've been doing this for 25 years and this isn't the first time I've heard this pushback. Facebook, by the way, on its iPhone app, handles it perfectly: it hides all...
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- Robert Scoble
You all keep referring to this as either chat or comments when actually its a discussion. I think that the ability to discuss anything on Friend Feed or anywhere else for that matter IS where you learn the most. I'm not techy like most of you, I'm just an ordinary 'average' user, but I see twitter more as a 'newsreel' of info, shallow but instant, whereas Friend Feed is more a 'thrashing out of ideas and opnions, and is therefore all the richer for it.
- Sandra Large
Sandra: chat/discussion/forum/comments are all pretty much the same thing. Yes, the two are different. There CAN be lots of learning here, it's just that this is a lot noiser than other online things in some ways.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, about noise: when you or other tech influencers introduce FriendFeed, you show the things you're excited about, which tend to be big and noisy, right? And if you're the first person someone follows on FF, they're going to get a noisy first impression. The slower growth that doesn't come through tech influencers may have less of a back door.
- Bruce Lewis
And about the 25+-year-old forum problem: Moderated Usenet was great until moderators slacked off. Decentralized moderation fixes that, at least for small discussions. Larger discussions can lead to whack-a-mole (though I notice this one hasn't), but with one of the suggestions I made earlier in this conversation the number of whackers could scale with the number of moles.
- Bruce Lewis
Moderation = censorship. Censorship sucks. Give the users control to hide and block. The less censorship the better.
- Thomas Hawk
@Paul - what about a view to only see the user's posts/content ie no comments of others and no likes => then it becomes twitter like
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Come on, it's hardly messier than Facebook, since the default view only includes the first and last comment. Basically the gist I'm getting is that people who think they're important don't want to listen to people who they don't think are important. Such is the human race, I suppose.
- Victor Ganata
+++Victor hammer meets nail.
- David Hall
Robert said "FB iPhone app ... hides all comments with an arrow that you can then use to expand the comments. That is so much better than this mess here that it isn't funny". Robert, I must be missing your point because FF also hides most comments until you expand them because you want to read them... Don't want to read FF comments, don't expand them, problem solved. Or are you saying FF is a "mess" because it shows first and last comment?
- Ed Millard
235 comments! I really don't want to expand *that* on FF! Is this a pain-point for anyone else?
- Space Cowboy
Not for me. If I'm interested enough in the topic or dialog I'll click the time stamp and open the post page to read everything. The text amount is comparable to a medium length blog post: if I have the time to read that I have the time to read this if it interests me.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
A typical blog post? Dragging & copying the comments only (which took about a min. of scrolling) produced 9200 words and 23 pages of text. Blog posts also tend to have a more easily read narrative.
- Vincent van Wylick
The problem is for big conversations like this one you need threading and maybe moderation, but for more normal conversations that are smaller flat is better. Allowing a switch between the two adds complexity. For big conversations FF lacks the button to reply to a specific poster so the viewer can thread, at least as an option. Much of the noise level in this conversation is due to people having to manually try to fake threading.
- Ed Millard
The threading vs. flat conversation is interesting to me - we've tried multiple times to put Disqus or Intense Debate on a film blog I write for, and every time we meet huge resistance to threading ESPECIALLY on long threads. People say they have a lot of difficulty finding the new comments when they aren't all at the top or bottom.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Why can't there be a summary fly-out with timestamps based on response rate to single comments and a "last comment made" link as well as "thread count" links and lastly, "participants in this thread" link? Collapse everything else except the initial post. The initial interface looking like this one, should always be available for those who want to "sort through". You want the...
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- Melanie Reed
Jandy, you kind of have to let the user flip between threading and flat to solve the chronology problem. Slashdot has a popup menu at the top that lets you view in "Threaded, Nested, Flat, No Comments". The down side is the UI gets progressively more complex both to implement and use unless you are going to force everyone to lowest common denominator UI.
- Ed Millard
But Ed, that's what I have against the traditional "threaded" approach: all the fork like structure. It does get complicated real fast. What's needed is somewhere a "summary" for those jumping in late to "catch up" but also the "single comment" link to democratize the discussion. Threads have all the indentation problems of trying to follow that way IF I am picturing what you mean by thread.
- Melanie Reed
+1 Ed
- Bicentennial (Franc)
My other observation is this: everyone creates a "story" about the ideas and information they are taking in and immediately starts associating connections in their mind creating a mental picture whether they realize it or not when they are perceiving that information. Our user interfaces don't yet lend themselves to that especially where it come to dialogue and forums. We've accepted a...
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- Melanie Reed
Here's why you don't need indented/tangential threading: FF discussions tend to be small enough to fit in the "RAM" in one's mind. It curtails many threads that might ramble; the exception (like Paul's thread here) comes when the power of the topic/zeitgeist and vibe of a live chat going strong overrides that usual point of decay. Predictablly, one or several commenters here will start a new thread or escalate it to a blog post and summarize their thoughts based on what transpired on this stream.
- Micah Wittman
Melanie, have you used Slashdot, they did forums earlier and better than anyone. The forum starts out flat, and then starts threading. Random community moderators start modding up the insightful posts, and burying the trolls, crap, etc. Once the moderation kicks in the "summary" is all the posts that were modded up to 5 which are shown expanded. All the lower moderated stuff is there but you have to clck to see. Slashdot would suck like YouTube comments if they hadn't solved the forum problem.
- Ed Millard
It's organic, not hierarchical. As other have stated, there is as much to learn from watching the process unfold as there is to gain from end result.
- Micah Wittman
Ed, no, I haven't used Slashdot but I'm willing to give it a try. I'm pretty adaptable. But when I see a problem and it becomes "the picture" for me, in this case a circle then I know its time for the leap out of the present "prison of one idea". ;)
- Melanie Reed
Micah, its true threads are bad for small friendly forums. Some of this discussion is about what happens when the forums on "celebrity" social expert's threads get so big they overflow readers brains and they turn in to *noise*. One noise problem is organization, the other is some post and some posters are better than others in the mind of the celeb and the reader.
- Ed Millard
Slashdot dealt with most of the forum problems ten years ago, they had to to survive the trolls. The problem is their UI needs to be complex to be flexible and keep everyone happy. Their audience is also mostly geek power user. When you get to social networks the other UI school is demanding the UI be dirt simple so the unwashed masses can cope, but dirt simple mean its inflexible and it ticks off nearly everyone, especially power users. Hard problem to solve... making everyone happy.
- Ed Millard
Ed, conferences have break-out groups. The same idea should be employed.
- Micah Wittman
Ed, yes, you offered a little explication for others of what happens when you lost the ability to categorize your"story" into a mental picture that is associated with previous "stories" you have stored in the brain. That end result is "noise". Some of us are better at doing that than others, that's true. But there come a point of over flow for all of us. What our UI needs to do is to amplify and assist in that "story" constructing process.
- Melanie Reed
Break out groups is a nice idea, but it seems a bit cumbersome. You need to make a new post, post a link here and get some critical mass from the first forum to move. If you do it five times you would splinter the first forum and lose critical mass, especially in a "real-time" forum where people will only watch one forum at a time. Chances are most people will cling to the first forum if its interesting.
- Ed Millard
Ed and Micah, what I hear both of you saying, and Robert as well, is that at some point in the "story" constructing process, the dialog from the forum needs to end in the narrative of a blog. Up till now, the blog component has been a random, unattached part of the discussion. AM I hearing that you think that in some way it should become part of the UI? So that the discussion gets...
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- Melanie Reed
Not sure I follow, blog is kind of a one voice, one direction thing, only way a forum morphs to blog is when once person splits off the forum to make a more in depth point and posts the blog link to the forum. I'm mostly just talking about the various methods for restoring order in a big forum, and improving signal to noise ratio. Most entail putting more options and more UI in and around the forum and making the UI more complex which many think is bad on a social network.
- Ed Millard
Ed, as I was writing this, it occurs to me that what I'm suggesting is what I may have just figured out (finally) that Google Wave is trying to get us to do. But if so, I beleive FF could actually do it better. the "noise" problem that was created by the various forms of SM, inside and outside of the platforms, was the inability to "connect the dots". We didn't have a framework for how...
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- Melanie Reed
One of the problems that we haven't solved is the usefulness of digression and random access of connective tissue in the "story" process. That's the wild card that often comes up as "noise"
- Melanie Reed
I can't speak for Robert. Some of his issue "seems" to be he only wants to see the Silicon Valley/SF movers and shakers in his feed talking about tech and social networks, and he doesn't much want anyone but that same group to be posting on forums under his auspices. Friend Feeds openness is bad for that. The same is true for all the Twitter celeberati. They don't want peons anywhere near their online presence to tarnish it.
- Ed Millard
Only way I can see to maintain FF openness for those who want it, and celeb broadcast only mode for the celebs who demand it, in one social network is you have to have an option when you make a post on your feed to control the forum methodology (i.e. broadcast only peons can only look on, panel mode where only my social elite are allowed to speak & peons can watch, private where only my circle can speak and see (FB mode), or completely OPEN(FF mode).
- Ed Millard
There also seems to be an issue where someone you follow, through the "like" process, can inject pictures of kittens, babies and man titteh in to your feed. Of course that is kind of the original point of social networks, seeing what your network sees. I think some just want hard core tech news and talk and twitter lists probably do allow an uber though somewhat lifeless feed like that.
- Ed Millard
Ed, well, that is the territory of the heart when it comes into contact with the machine. And oddly (or maybe not so oddly) there is a post on my feed that addresses that theme: http://friendfeed.com/faithx5... ;) Digression and Random access at work. lol And I find that refreshing. I'm always excited about how some new idea may be generated because I allowed what...
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- Melanie Reed
@Melanie: I fully believe in non-linear learning. The ability to take input from diverse thematic content and synthesize something ... to apply something from one world to the other. That's where I think we're heading. I think of it a little bit like a digital version of Burroughs' Cut Up technique: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- AJ Kohn
I can't believe I read the whole thing
- Michael Slattery
Such a simple and obvious solution: provide an optional *LIST* view for Friendfeed items. Open the comments only on items that look really interesting. Am I missing something obvious? Then Friendfeed could easily emulate Twitter on all essentials (and surpass it in many other areas).
- Sean McBride
Sean, I think the obvious thing you are missing is there are no FF developers any more so FF probably isn't getting anything it doesn't already have. And there are camps here that don't really like the alternatives that FB and Twitter offer which is why this is such a hot button issue. I wish there was one social network that had lists, open forums, walled gardens, and broadcast mode based on the wishes of the person running a feed so everyone could be happy in one network.
- Ed Millard
Amped up on prednisone & obsessed over Posterous-->Flickr for a couple hrs, here's a trick that might help some of you: http://blogs.current.com/tech...
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The intent/purpose problem (& an appeal to @scobleizer) - http://macrolinz.com/macroli...
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It’s all about your intentions online. Most intentions can be grouped into 3 categories: knowledge gathering, broadcasting and conversation. There are many services on the web that can potentially serve those intentions. It depends on your purpose as to whether or not a service brings you value.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I think that was very well put, Lindsay!
- Jan Ole Peek
Thanks, Jan.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Very thoughtfully and intelligently written, Lindsay.
- Anne Bouey
1UP, Lindsay.
- Derrick
I shoulda been Lindsay for Halloween. I could've had great hair and kicked peoples' asses with my brain.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
LOL @ tinypants :) That would have been quite a scary costume!
- Her Lindsay-ness
My comment here http://macrolinz.com/macroli... :)
- Micah Wittman
Fantastic post, Lindsay. Totally agreed.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Well said, Lindsay. Honestly, the only reason for Scoble to post about his dissatisfaction with FriendFeed is to get attention. Personally, what he likes & dislikes means nothing to me, since he's not a friend of mine or someone whose opinion means anything to me. Like you say, he has very specific things he wants from social sites. It's not what I want & it's not what most people I know want.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
I know that part of Scoble's reaction is for attention, but I also can read between the lines that he is really disappointed because he knows that FriendFeed is probably the best tool out there but now it's no longer going to grow feature-wise so, as a bleeding edge adopter, he can't stick with it anymore....
- Her Lindsay-ness
...I think he's a little embarrassed that he was backing the "losing horse" for so long and basically had to "eat crow" with some of the people that he made enemies of on FriendFeed's behalf (though, personally, I think he was right about FriendFeed anyway). I think he's in a bit of despair like the rest of us at all the time and effort he put into participation here seeming to "go to...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
...I empathize with all of that, but a lot of us have moved on to acceptance and just want to continue our interactions here. And he's making it harder for us to do that by driving people away that could be more of a justification for keeping the service alive in the future just because of their numbers. And it's also demoralizing and depressing. I would like for him to show some respect for people he used to call friends here and knock off the abuse.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Excellent. Thank you.
- Steve Lowe
well put, Lindsay!
- Joe Silence is not dead
*clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!* *clap!*
- vicster
Not only does she put the 'is dead' conversation in an appropriate space, she also does a fine and thoughtful assessment of what tools can be used for what purpose. Thanks, Lindsay.
- Holly Rae, FFer
Scoble was right about FriendFeed being better. The problem is when you have companies like FB with lots of money to throw around, they can kill superior tech by writing a check. If you've been following TechCrunch lately they have articles on dubious ways FB and FB app developers get their money. Zuckerberg and early FB was apparently supported by shady casino ads. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Ed Millard
Ed, that post was so full of holes I could jump through them.
- Holden Page
When I grow up, I want to be as cool as Lindsay.
- Louis Gray
Hey I saw this lady on CNN before :)
- Rodfather
Holden, you mean my post or the one on techcrunch. Your post is even holier than mine :) If you meant mine, how so? I struggle getting points across in the 512 limit sometimes which means I'm hopeless on Twitter.
- Ed Millard
The TC post, not yours :)
- Holden Page
Holden, I would be interested in hearing specifically, maybe on another thread, other than the obvious it was apparently written by someone whose done it and profited. I'm a complete noob when it comes to sleazy social network spam though it is a fascinating study in human nature and how to exploit it. That article mostly added to my list of reasons I like FF and have no interest in FB.
- Ed Millard
Nice post, thanks. Heard and understood.
- Robert Scoble
scoble - why dont you just make a message board? invite all your tech friends, you'd be in heaven! sure, it's not as clever as say something like this, but you get what you want then..
- Terry O'Fee
Her Lindsay-ness: another stance users may adopt is to stick with friendfeed only until such time as something better comes along, regardless of whether it actually gets shut down or not
- Mike Chelen
@Mike, I would probably put those folks under reaction #2... that is typical of any user of a service. The one thing that you can't take with you to the new service, however, is your entire community. The people who make up your community on FriendFeed would most likely splinter into several other communities in the "new, better" services that come along. I don't see any better options...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Dutch hacker holds jailbroken iPhones "hostage" for &euro - http://www.techmeme.com/091103...
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Anthony Citrano to Anthony's feed, Creative Design, Designers Who Design Things, Architectural & Interior Design, Ideas & Inspiration
OneLessDesk by Heckler Design - http://hecklerdesign.com/oneless...
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“At one time, you needed a desk that could fit a mountain of paper, two-foot-deep monitor, printer, and a CPU the size of a Labrador. Today, your computer is an inch thick. You have moved forward. It's time your desk caught up.”
- Anthony Citrano
Drop of water at 2000 fps (very cool) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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This is pretty cool.
- Bastian
I didn't see this segment, but I was watching this special in my hotel room when I was at the society of rheology conference. It made me think that I need a high speed camera. For science, of course ;)
- Clare Dibble
This is very cool. I'd like to see it with other liquids, and water with different this mixed in. Like soap for instance, which messes with the surface tension...what happens then?
- Bill Scherer
hi
- soso
Are there any liquids that don't have surface tension?
- Gabe
My husband and I are addicted to the show Time Warp: random things done in front of high speed cameras. The oldies but goodies like popping a water balloon are stil my favorite...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That's amazing, which is why science rocks! :)
- imabonehead
Love it! I want to have 2000 fps water drops as my screensaver.
- EricaJoy
Very cool!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Amazing. What else would be interesting to visualize at 2000 fps?
- Philippe
True beauty
- Инк Лонгтан
from iPhone
There is only as much beauty in nature as you can appreciate and not a grain more. thoreau
- Robert Higgins
+Bill I wanna see Quicksilver or Mercury at 2000 FPS
- Robert Higgins
Я предпологал!!!! :) Теперь я знаю!!!!
- atner
Guess how many people on FriendFeed I "invited" to be on my feed that I already knew? Maybe two. That's it. Everyone else I originally met because of Friend of a Friend or because they commented on my posts or those of other people I met earlier. Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise." My life, both online and off, is better for it.
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[Terms in quotes are to be understood according to Scoble's definitions, as I understand them, though I acknowledge I am to some extent taking "noise" from the fringe of his definition.]
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
"Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise."" <---- Best line I have seen all day. +googol, Jandy
- Josh Haley
I love noise too. I study it. It's just the reason why person after person told me they didn't like it. I'm just the messenger. Even Tim O'Reilly told me this is why he didn't like FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Agree completely. Same here.
- Melanie Reed
I don't think I invited any real-life contacts. I've enjoyed the noise and found some interesting people because of it.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Robert, that's not what you've said in various posts over the past few days and weeks - you've continually said that you can't find the content you want here anymore because it's too noisy. I think what you mean by that is that the content you aren't interested in drowns out the content you are (whereas before the noise was mostly tech, so therefore not noise to you). But still. You've...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
+1 Jandy
- Joe Silence is not dead
Thanks, Josh. :) I was kinda partial to your "It was a dark and stormy night" appropriation earlier.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Amen, sister.
- Steve Lowe
COME ON FEEL THE NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Trish R
makes me wanna ask, "can't we all just get along?" (friendfeed, twitter, gReader...)
- brainno722 (Peter)
In my world, FF and Twitter are for following people, GReader is for following topics. I will quickly unsub a feed in GReader if it gets noisy because I'm looking for info, but I fully embrace the noise here, because making noise is part of being a person. I suspect that to Robert, people and topics are interchangeable... it would explain a lot about his perspective.
- Roger Benningfield
I only know 2 people here IRL. The rest are FF only contacts.
- Alex Scrivener
I know 0 IRL
- Mike Nencetti
I think that's a good point, Roger - I wouldn't necessarily say that about Robert without caveat, but in terms of the way he uses social media seems to be much more for business/learning/information/data then for personal reasons. For me, I generally subscribe to people on FF after deciding I like what they post (i.e., I like their content), but it's not long before I like their content...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Alex, of people who actually post here (rather than those who joined at my behest and now just dump feeds), I knew one before IRL. But now I know at least ten or fifteen people IRL that I met on FriendFeed. And I don't consider them just contacts, I consider them friends.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Preach, Sister Jandy.
- Derrick
OH HAI DERRICK! See, there's one right there. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy is Dandy. I wouldn't have known that if not for the noise of FF. God Bless FriendFeed! (or Cosmic Force of the Universe be kind to FF - for any atheists out there )
- Morgan Haley
*does the Jandy dance* :D
- Derrick
derrick - how does that dance go? i ain't got moves, so i might need some schooling!
- Morgan Haley
I don't know, Morgan. I just made it up. And only because I know Jandy sees a lot of shows. I can't imagine she doesn't do a little boogieing in there from time to time. Jandy, WHAT SAY YOU?
- Derrick
I've met 1 FF person IRL (guess who!?)
- LogEx
i'll just do the 'cabbage patch' as a default, if that's ok with all of you
- Morgan Haley
and I need to warn the masses that I am a white boy, so my idea of what the cabbage patch is might not be up to muster..
- Morgan Haley
Derrick, that all depends on how drunk I am. ;) LE, really?! I feel all special now. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
yes, calling it "friendfeed" is misleading but i guess finding the perfect name would not be easy either
- Loc
Amen
- Louis Simoneau
Hahaha Jandy ... keep being you ... even the parts when you drunk post at concerts and twitpic and all that.
- Amani
Live now: This Week In Tech with Natali Del Conte @natalidelconte and Jason Calacanis @jason. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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Hi Leo
- x5315
Welcome Natali! Hi Leo :)
- Hector
First time I'm tuning in from the beginning of the show...I feel like I should skip this because I like to listen in the car.
- Cassidy
Hello, Leo!
- Nolan Alston
Hey everyone :)
- Matthew Marley
How are we all ?
- Matthew Marley
Cassidy... it's a different experience from the produced podcast - different, but good
- Chris Heath
So when Leo starts publishing the edited videos on Roku and such, will we see the clock behind him skipping after each removed blooper?
- Hector
Turn-by-turn is ok leo, but apple requires developers to provide their own maps :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Apple just bought a map company though, maybe they're going to offer it.
- x5315
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/wealth_... Wealth of Networks by Jochai Benkler, brilliant!
- Leo Laporte
Is live.twit.tv up? It doesn't seem to load. And the bitgravity feed isn't loading in VLC either...
- Rob Miller
No, there seems to be some issues. At least i'm having issues.
- x5315
I just got the bitgravity feed working now in mplayer
- Rob Miller
Darn, have to wait until next week now to hear about the twitmobile.
- Rob Miller
buonasera @natali ;) and ciao to @jason mohamed ali calacanis :-p
- alex
Had to stop watching the live feed, has he said what his car is yet?
- Matthew DeVries
next week on the car
- cxx dxx
This week's friend feed thread was very sparse... People are leaving in droves.
- Hector
Great job!
- Hector
Tease: This Week on This Week In Tech, Natali del Conte shows off her Droid, Jason Calacanis talks about SOX, and Patrick Norton fights for a free Internet. TWiT is next!
- Leo Laporte
Here's my bet, though I'll lean out and say it's a droptop... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Geoff Schaadt
good show leo GOOGEL WAVE 4 DUMBYS <<
- daveccorey
FriendFeed and Scoble and the crowd-as-community problem - http://code-bear.com/bearlog...
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Great post man... hope robert sees it
- Chris Heath
i've made a couple of edits - my "real" writing skill has atrophied so I made some very basic mistakes
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
and *shucks* I am tickled that you guys liked it :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I saw it and liked it. I answered over on the post already too.
- Robert Scoble
I'm an IRC person myself
- Jesse Stay
Mike, you said what I would say if I were able to stop hyperventilating in anger and irritation over this thing for a moment. That's my weakness. Bravo for being very reasonable and to the point about this situation.
- Kamilah Gill
he's beating a dead horse at this point, and I'm not sure why he continues. we get it, you're done with friendfeed. Move along then... But I'll keep following Scoble because he's got good ideas.
- Bill Kinney
it's a plea for attention, methinks. next he'll be doing MySpace-style photos of himself. :P
- Joe Silence is not dead
Illegal downloaders 'spend the most on music', says poll - http://www.independent.co.uk/news...
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"People who illegally download music from the internet also spend more money on music than anyone else, according to a new study. The survey, published today, found that those who admit illegally downloading music spent an average of £77 a year on music – £33 more than those who claim that they never download music dishonestly. The findings suggest that plans by the Secretary of State for Business, Peter Mandelson, to crack down on illegal downloaders by threatening to cut their internet connections with a "three strikes and you're out" rule could harm the music industry by punishing its core customers."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Music is just being propagandized in this world. Something like preaching. And that means its always going to be available in labeled 'illicit' channels but in fact with the blessings of the creators and originators of music.
- TrafficBug
Color me: not surprised.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
color me supporting evidence
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
heh, ditto
- Michael W. May
Obama administration: Toss wiretap lawsuit | AP - http://www.google.com/hostedn...
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"Attorney General Eric Holder says a lawsuit in San Francisco over warrantless wiretapping threatens to expose ongoing intelligence work and must be thrown out. In making the argument, the Obama administration agreed with the Bush administration's position on the case but insists it came to the decision differently. A civil liberties group criticized the move Friday as a retreat from promises President Barack Obama made as a candidate."
- Anthony Citrano
from Bookmarklet
:(
- Thomas Hawk
Yeah, not good
- Chris Heath
Sucks: But I keep thinking that the evil the Cheney Bush admin sowed is so horrible that our new illustrious leader needs to stroke them way far and a whole lot more than he can afford to stroke us. The evil there is so thick you could hammer iron on it. Be cool Dudes he has to walk on hot wires every day to stay alive
- ThatDBD
Hell. :(
- Steven Perez
Is this a surprise?
- Cole Jolley
Anyone interested in an updated journey to the center of a madwoman's brain, here's my blog update: http://www.sarahlane.com/blog...
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Nice looking site there.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Just letting you know that you have people thinking about ya. (re. latest blog post)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
And I thought I had troubles, Great to meet you. I hope my stuff going on does not lead to what your experience is, Be Cool Dude glad to have met you.
- ThatDBD
Scamville: The Social Gaming Ecosystem Of Hell - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Google Redefines Disruption: The “Less Than Free” Business Model « abovethecrowd.com - http://abovethecrowd.com/2009...
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This is a great article. Here's a good paragraph exerpt: "Rumors abound about just how many cars Google has on the roads building it own turn-by-turn mapping data as well as its unique “Google Streetview” database. Whatever it is, it must be huge. This October 13th, just over one year after dropping NavTeq, the other shoe dropped as well. Google disconnected from Tele Atlas and began to...
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- Chris Heath
another good quote: "Android is not only a phone OS, it’s a CE OS. If Ford or BMW want to build an in-dash Android GPS, guess what? Google will give it to them for free."
- Chris Heath
and here's the 'less than free' kicker: "I then asked my friend, “so why would they ever use the Google (non open source) license version.” Here was the big punch line – because Google will give you ad splits on search if you use that version! That’s right; Google will pay you to use their mobile OS. I like to call this the “less than free” business model. This is a remarkable card to...
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- Chris Heath
Thanks for talking about this one leo, i don't remember who's friendfeed i found it in, but jason's right this guy does great blogs
- Chris Heath
Google Navigator for Android Review: Good For Free But Far From Perfect - Google navigator - Gizmodo - http://gizmodo.com/5393935...
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The surprise hit of Google's new software is the voice command. I said "Navigate to Cloud City" and it quickly launched the navigator, showing me a few options with "Cloud City" in the name. On top was my wife's favorite coffee shop (home of my favorite BBQ pulled-pork sandwich). I tapped it and got on my way. I have done this with street addresses, store names and categories like simply "barbecue" and it's worked fine. It's only when I tried text searching that things got iffy.
Total Cost of Ownership: Motorola Droid vs iPhone 3GS vs Palm Pre vs MyTouch 3G - http://www.billshrink.com/blog...
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After months and months of blogger buzz and a heavy veil of secrecy, the new Motorola Droid by Verizon Wireless is set to launch within days, just in time for the holiday season. The Droid enters into a smartphone marketplace dominated by the Palm Pre with Sprint and the ever-popular iPhone 3GS with AT&T. But how are consumers supposed to compare the offerings?
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