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Giving Sh*t Away is not a Business Strategy - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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Really? I like when folks give me free crap, especially when I don't user their services. :)
- Todd Jordan
You = Consumer. Of course! Free shit ftw!
- Eric Rice
Just giving shit away is not a business strategy
- Brian Sullivan
you're right though, give away <> strategy, it's a tactic, and if that's your main draw, your stuff may not be worth having.
- Todd Jordan
Wrong way of thinking. When you give, you get. Free works. I just wrote an entire post about his last week. Because of my "free", I've gained monetarily and more.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
I've been wondering about this myself, when it comes to fiction and non-fiction writing. I'm leaning towards keeping things secret until I get published, which is the traditional way, instead of podiobooking, etc. What do you think?
- Christine Cavalier
A long time ago, someone posted a podcasting PDF and sold it for 20 dollars. Another person criticized it and said 'well all that stuff is available for FREE on my site etc". I asked the person selling the PDF, "Has it been doing well?" and he replied "Of course!"... As a result, he point blank made money, while the other person may have had to use that as a marketing path to making money. So from the PRODUCER side, it's a serious concern. Consumer side, well, heh, who doesn't want Free Stuff? Heh.
- Eric Rice
Sometimes though, free stuff makes me nervous. Imagine if someone said "I wanna give you my car for free"... how many of us would go YAH RIGHT WHAT'S THE CATCH? :)
- Eric Rice
In "Predictably Irrational" Dan Ariely has a whole chapter on what the word 'free' does to our decison-making process. Basically, we make silly choices, e.g. buying an extra book to qualify for 'free shipping.' "Free" works, every time. So, caveat emptor to 'free' offers when shopping - they will usually make you spend more money.
- Christine Cavalier
people want free stuff but would you work for free. He'll no. You want to get paid
- David Jacobs
People will work for free if it is a social contract, like volunteering to help a friend move. But they won't sustain the work, unless, of course, it's for family. ;-)
- Christine Cavalier
Karma points on Plurk: gimmick or something that might appeal to the masses?
cecily, Frankie Warren, Corey Strock and 6 other people liked this
Gimmick, and a distracting and obnoxious one at that.
- Evan Sims
Boy George appealed to the masses-couldn't help that one.
- Mark Forman
Karma encourages the WRONG social behavior.
- Dewald Pretorius
Good question. When I started using Plurk, it was an oddly compelling thing to watch my Karma rise. But when it reached a plateau equivalent to my moderate use of Plurk, it wasn't enough incentive (gimmick) to make me use it more, just to get more karma. But that's only me...
- Phil Crissman
hey let's give everyone more points for adding a lot of people- but then let's tell them that the service works better if you don't have alot of people in your stream- that'll really fry their noodles! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
- Nathan Eckenrode
This isn't the only site that I've seen use it and I do believe that in the mainstream, karma is a HUGE thing, it's like a social point system. Note: American culture speaking here, mileage varies.
- Eric Rice
I see the glass half full. Some loser feels good about himself because Plurk says he has good Karma comparatively. It appeals to the reality that most people who are online are trying to escape a real social existence. Therefor it could in many ways give a person confidence. I'm not sure it's a good interface idea... but when the highschool nerd shows the ignorant cheerleader that he has good karma on Plurk and she is the most popular girl in school... they might be on to something.
- Noah David Simon
Plurk's karma system isn't for me. I feel like I need to run the maze before getting the pellet. Dance for your food, monkey! So...no. I mentioned in another comment, Plurk in general makes me feel like I'm inside a crowded inflatable kiddie castle jumper. Case in point, if this conv were happening in Plurk I'd be dumbing this comment down to a nice simple "Oh hello to the no!"
- Jim Stanger
your probably right Mr. Stanger. I'm just excited because I am getting close to 50 karma... which is something that isn't bad for a dude that got kicked of twitter 21 times, facebook 9 times, and myspace once. I'm beginning to enjoy being a bad guy... which is an interesting experience. Any women wanna wrestle?
- Noah David Simon
I find it annoying, but some people enjoy the game. Karma points shouldn't go down, though. It's ok for Karma gains to slow in pace, but to 'steal' karma away just makes the site annoying. Not visiting your site means I give out "bad" karma? Please. Get over yourself.
- Christine Cavalier
Meh, I don't mind it, but I think the "masses" will actually get a kick out of it. I usually just ignore mine.
- Daniel Andrlik
I love plurk's appeal with keeping conversations self-contained (as we spoke about last night), but I can't stand this karma bullshit.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
Remember the concept of karma has a history in text forums, so it's not a new thing for a lot of users, particularly young ones. I treat it as a game, a toy, not something to worry about.
- Annie Boccio
from twhirl
So long as I don't lose basic features, I can ignore it.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
Massive potential appeal to the masses.
- Ian Betteridge
Marketing technique to bring you back and keep promoting them
- Charlie Anzman
I don't like how the Karma points are used to fuel people's egos. If you're just trying to get to the top of a leaderboard then you're more likely to use the tool artificially. But I do like the concept of Karma points used by the system to filter out trolls and spammers. For example, the system could be set up to require approval on follow requests from users with a low Karma score. You'd need to tweak the formula so that newbies aren't overly penalized but you get the idea.
- Mike Doeff
I've got to give Plurk a bigger chance. I tried it for one day but it wasn't as compelling as FF to me and in the internet land attention is a zero sum game.
- Thomas Hawk
I find it amusing. I have an invite list of over 10,000 people from the art industry. Any time I wanna beef my Karma up or add friends to a social network... I just run it through. It isn't hard to get an email list from anywhere. It is probably a bad way to award Karma. Award harassment. I LOVE IT!
- Noah David Simon
I find very little difference between Plurk's karma and Twitter's follower count. Heck, Calacanis gave away towels to get to the top spot. 0 difference. Top Plurkers = Twitter 100.
- Bwana ☠
well that NDS comment pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?
- Erin @queenofspain
Reminds me of the point system that was in place for a while over at 9rules. It does get people to play more, for sure.
- Josue Salazar
Also, I still stand by my prediction that Plurk is going to tap into a different audience than Twitter, albeit a smaller one.
- Bwana ☠
Gimmick. Unsure masses actually have a good grasp of what karma is. Though My Name Is Earl may have solved that which is a disturbing comment in itself.
- AJ Kohn
The difference is that you don't lose anything if someone chooses not to follow you on Twitter. With Plurk, if you try and friend someone and they decline you, your karma goes down. That's wrong. Negativity is never something that should work its way into a social network. Also, karma is very different than the number of followers you have on Twitter.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
Who cares if your Karma goes down? Is it THAT important? My karma over there has almost gotten to 60 and then dropped to 50 and now it's at 55. I could care less. Use the system, and the Karma takes care of itself. If it becomes your sole purpose for using the system, you will damage your calm. Then it becomes a gimmick.
- Bwana ☠
drat... all this talk about Karma dropped my Karma down to 43ish. damn you eMOMs! I'll get you and your little dog Toto too! http://www.plurk.com/user... if you want to help me stalk... click here and support me. I promise to be as obscene as possible.
- Noah David Simon
Twitter followers = status. Plurk Karma = status. It's the same thing with two different mechanisms. One is more subtle than the other. You can't tell me that the top 100 Twitterers are not concerned about their follower count. It's all an ego stroke and it's hypocritical to accuse Plurk of exploiting it. The more status you have on either system, the more popular you are. Ego stroke.
- Bwana ☠
However, if you use Plurk too much, your karma goes down. If you post more than 30 new plurks in a 24 hour period, your karma drops. Twitter doesn't have that limitation.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
If Karma is that important to you, you shouldn't use Plurk, bottom line
- Bwana ☠
interesting Starman. So they are encouraging not to Plurk. That is stupid as shit
- Noah David Simon
I never said it was important to me, did I? I said earlier I don't care about it. I'm just saying that the number of Twitter followers and Plurk karma aren't equal. Don't put words in my mouth.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
If you lose Twitter followers, you drop in status. It is the same. Video tape Calacanis if he lost 1000 followers. I guarantee you'll have a classic. My thing is, if you don't care about Karma, you wouldn't care if it drops or not. It's just a number. Both of them give you status on both systems so they are the same. Do you know how many people went to the Twitter 100 list and added everyone there?
- Bwana ☠
And I'm not talking to you specifically, don't worry about words in your mouth
- Bwana ☠
I'm not angry at you Starman. I'm not even angry at Plurk. I'm amused at the whole online world frankly. I do like friendfeed though a whole lot. I find I am making more friends here then I ever did in twitter. A person on twitter was just a label and who they were following. The depth of a person here is unique... I think Plurk just doesn't encourage conversations and gets back to asskissing
- Noah David Simon
http://twitterholic.com/ That's Twitter's Karma right there
- Bwana ☠
Karma! Oh my god, you are having a laugh! Its all very well having this stuff in computer games but in interactivity tools, what is the flippin point?
- Nick Lewis
I only add people I'm interested in, or have actually spoken to.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
That's the magic word, heh: 'status', something so so so social. Remember a while ago I was chewing on the of the choice of terms used in various social software? Why did Mahalo choose the word 'fan'; why did Twitter use 'Friend' at first and change it to 'Follower'; why does Utterz use the word 'subscriber'? Is there a social or psychological connection between who picked/authorized the term or is it done for a marketability reason?
- Eric Rice
I think it's a little bit of both, but I think the intent is to psychologically hook the user in to give them high school warm fuzzies of being with the cool kids. I don't think many of us even understand the marketability of it.
- Bwana ☠
I think we mentioned this on the show, Eric. If not, we should. The term "friend" is different in the social media circle than in the real world. People in SM seem to think "friend" means "someone on the net that I have a connection with", not realizing that the "connection" could mean "stalker" :D. I don't call someone a friend unless I've spoken to them, and even then I'll probably...
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- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
Starman, right, I think there's also the context. There's the fact that the relationship is put on display and paraded (Why does it matter to the world how many followers/friends I have on Twitter. Does this NEED to be displayed and does that change my behavior). I call someone a friend when the person I'm talking to has no context at all, for brevity's sake. Cuz it would feel lame to be all, 'yeah my internet acquaintance said..." etc
- Eric Rice
@Starman: I get what you're saying but acquaintance just doesn't have the same ring as friend ;)
- AJ Kohn
@eric good point about brevity. @AJ, yeah, aquaintance sounds so 19th century :D
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
probably the masses aren't going to be as into likes/comments/number of followers as metrics of achievement, so karma is ok in that regard. plus the fact that you can exchange karma for different gui features gives it some value. all in all i think plurk has some great ideas (timeline, cliques, threads), it's just not for me
- rob zand
I got kicked off of MySpace about a month ago for some of my artwork. I just opened an account about a week ago using my art email list. by getting kicked off of MySpace I have actually created a more dynamic MySpace page. I could easily have thousands of "friends"... the whole concept of friends and karma on these networks is stupid. I am more then happy to exploit architectural in-fractures. friendfeed is awesome by not including status into the interface.
- Noah David Simon
btw the virtual friend on friendfeed is awesome. If you have multiple accounts on twitter you can send messages to people who blocked you there from here. I think people just need to grow up on all the high school shit. The friend status is bullshit. just sent a message to my old friend @AmandaChapel from my @qwu account. she is in for a surprise. http://twitter.com/QWU
- Noah David Simon
@qwu LOL, so, Amanda stalled you out, but, you've decided to hit her up anyways? Classic.
- DYKC?™
from Alert Thingy
Clarence Thomas? he's my hero... I gave Anita Hill a big kiss for him
- Noah David Simon
Clarence Thomas is Black (and I've heard all about you already). Marinate.
- DYKC?™
Distracting gimmick.
- cecily
you ladies are always good for a laugh. Anita Hill says she just loves Long John Dong Silver's karma on plurk. It's huge!
- Noah David Simon
one more time for the hell of it: your cock block doesn't give me bad karma on Plurk.... LONG DONG JOHN SILVER for Anita Hill calling
- Noah David Simon
Liberty City Police Face Allegations Of Incompetence, Brutality | The Onion - America's Finest News Source - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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Lawl.
- Eric Rice
Better Google Reader - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Mitchell Tsai, Hacker News, Alexander Rode and 17 other people liked this
Favicons are cool and in-line previews can be handy sometimes. Not sure it's a must-have extension though...
- James Spinks
I'm wondering: How many feeds are you, guys, following? (Just an idea of the average)
- directeur
I follow more than 600.
- Robert Scoble
I follow about 90 feeds. I kicked out a lot of useless stuff lately.
- sebmos
Reader says 168, but there's probably a dozen or two in there that will drop off next pruning session.
- felix
I dont know how you can follow more than 600 feeds, I just have 25 feeds and it's already difficult to read everything interesting.
- Stéphane Guérin
1 feed ----> Robert Scoble's shared items in Google Reader ;-)
- Erhan Erdogan
Wow! That much? I'm just following 45 feeds.
- directeur
Which brings to me another question: You newsaholics :) Are you reading the news as soon as you are prompted by your feedreader or have you a certain descipline in reading them?
- directeur
Robert, it was a video you did a while back about your Google Reader habits that really got me into heavy-duty reading. I follow 395 feeds now, but a few seem to be dormant.
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
Robert: Guerwan is right, how do you guy follow them all? You're I bet missing many things, don't you?
- directeur
directeur: I read them when I can now. I'm definitely spending more of my time here in FriendFeed that I used to in Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
About 200
- Deepak Singh
...well, mine is only 20; I guess that's the difference between those in the web/internet industry and those of us who are not. :-)
- JA Castillo
I recently lost all my feeds (500+) in NetNewsWire. And started to look for a new feed reader, here is a quick review, as a power user why I can't use current RSS readers... http://blog.burak-arikan.com/looking...
- Burak Arikan
Robert: I see, why don't you create an imaginary friend with most of the feeds you usually read?
- directeur
Does it work with Firefox 3.0 ?
- Jigar Mehta
basically I look at all new posts in list view and scroll down and expand only the interesting ones. I star ones i want to remember (or one's I want to go back and read if I don't have enough time) and go on. Mark all as read as I go.
- felix
JA Castillo: I have 45 and I'm a webdevelopper. Internet is my life, my job, my hobby :)
- directeur
I recently (couple weeks ago) deleted all my feeds (probably 450-475 or so) and recreated my OPML file... so, as of this morning, I've got 177.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
I have tried with Firefox 3.0 and it works like charm!! enjoy!
- Jigar Mehta
What we need is a GOOD OPML tool to arrange / slice / dice feed lists. Reader sucks for this, and no good OPML editors seem liek they exist.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I was up to 233, then just cut it back to 60 last night - I was just scrolling past a lot of them anyway. A fair number of my feeds are personal feeds or group feeds that I manage for vandalism or spam: forum admin; wiki Special:Recentchanges; blog comments; etc. I'm looking forward to building up my feeds list with stuff I want to read, not just every shiny orange RSS feed icon I see...
- Kirk Kittell
I read around 450 feeds (probably 50 of those are comment feeds which come/go)
- Aaron B. Hockley
Soulehuntre: Good point!! I can make this! Are you interested? :)
- directeur
Very interested, awesomly interested. It needs to understand the Google Reader idea of a feed being in multiple folders and allow for some sort of easy arrangement. The usual stuff, ya know?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Soulhuntre: ok, I'll be building it in my spare time :) Thanks for the idea, I'll keep you informed
- directeur
@directeur - Landscape architect myself; internet and web stuff (photography too!) are my addictions.
- JA Castillo
Personally, I just use the greasemonkey scripts, and skip adding another extension. They're all on userscripts.org
- Tanath
250+ feeds
- Michael VanDervort
I'm following about 90 feeds. About 60% to 70% of those are work related, but I don't read them at work... :)
- Alexander Rode
from fftogo
I follow about 150 feeds and just 'J
- Francine Hardaway
Participation as Social Capital: The Fundamental Flaw of Social News Sites - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...
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