Actually, it's a very Jewish biblical concept, and why Tzedakah, which people think means Charity, but is actually based on Justice, is so important.
- Victor Ryden
That didn't make any sense to me at all Victor...
- Chrimmus Tad
Which is sick? That it's impossible to end poverty or that charity is required of us all?
- Chad Myers
If there is evil in the world, then there will always be those affected by it. For those of us less affected by it, true good results in those actions which we undertake to right the evil. For wherever there is evil, God turns it into a greater good somehow. Look up the theology of suffering. You will see it will explain everything in this life.
- Chad Myers
Sorry Chad, my discussion skills are incompatible with yours - our reality tunnels don't intersect. I think we can both agree that Charity is important.
- Chrimmus Tad
Charity is from the Latin word 'Caritas' which is from the Greek agape (ἀγάπη) or, pure love (as in mother/child, stranger/needy, etc). We cannot prevent evil, we must overcome its effect with Charity, Love.
- Chad Myers
Tad, it is unfortunate that you escape this topic so easily/casually. It is, quite possibly, the most important topic in all of human life. I beg you do not, like so many, spend your entire life seeking a cure to poverty, callously throwing money into envelopes for other people to spend doing 'charity'.
- Chad Myers
I will apologize for calling your thought "sick and twisted."
- Chrimmus Tad
Who do they think they are, a record company?
- Todd Hoff
oy the business world...it's all money money money...
- Aline Ohannessian
Most of these newspapers are getting 30% more then what they get from their online edition (which tend to be free). Would you pay to read the online edition of newspaer?
- Paul
from twhirl
Amazon seems to be working under the assumption that they are the only ones who can deliver the paper in this way. I'm sorry, when did the Kindle replace the cellphone/smartphone/iPhone/Blackberry/etc, netbook, notebook, PSP, name any number of portable net enabled devices here. Sure, they've got some perks going for them, but seriously... those are monopoly numbers.
- Michael W. May
Paul, the whole Kindle DX and newspaper subscription business model says yes, people will pay for the "online" edition. I know (or at least hope) the "Kindle Edition" has something more than those paper's online editions. But is it worth the price of subscription and a $500 device? I for one say no way. Especially in the economic climate of the times.
- Jared B. Luther
"I can't see how an industry that's haemorrhaging money can subsidise a new-fangled tech product in order to lure people back to subscribing for something they are forced to publish for free online anyway," said Gizmodo's Wilson Rothman. - That about sums it up for me right there.
- Nick
I'm not arguing that Amazon is right. They are doing what every good business does filling a need and attempting to charge what the market will allow. Will it work I doubt it. Not as long as I can read the same newspaper online for free. From what I read the Kindle DX is aimed also at textbooks and documents also.
- Paul
from twhirl
"It, along with the Washington Post and the Boston Globe, will offer consumers a steep discount on the Kindle if they buy a long term subscription and there is no home delivery in their area." -- So i can't even use it to buy the Globe as I live in the Boston area. That's another fail right there. I'm pretty certain I'd want a customers money anyway I could get it if my business was in trouble.
- Nick
Dang, that's a pretty expensive newsstand! Newspapers are kidding themselves if they think that Kindle will save their bacon. It's a distraction from their real issues with digital distribution. More at http://bit.ly/eElIO
- John Blossom
I thought it was bad when Apple or Google or whoever takes 30% of mobile app sales.
- pcnerd37
It might be reasonable if Amazon handles all the digitizing; if the 30% was pure profit.
- Robert Hafer
With newspaper revenue going down the tubes, I think Amazon is not going to get it's wish.
- Helen Sventitsky
Tells you where the balance of power is. When you don't have cutting-edge technology to create a valuable venue and your distributors do, you're hosed.
- John Blossom
Amazon might one day get some "anti trust" or "anti competition" investigations - if not over the print-on-demand or physical book business, then over the kindle
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It's the same cut of revenue as blogs get. " Newspapers are kidding themselves if they think that Kindle will save their bacon. It's a distraction from their real issues with digital distribution." - Agree. I think newspapers should try to put together an "Amazon for news" themselves, through some sort of consortium.
- Meryn Stol
you ppl do realize that kindle is a content delivery platform no? controlling the flow of data is brilliant on amazon's part kindle could be nearly free as a result financed as it were via upsells like the iphone only cheaper and giving content publishers a cut. its a much better deal for newspapers than the telco/cable/google/etc content delivery model offers. I fail to see the...
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- Ryan Underdown
Ryan FibreCos have more costs the more content is used - they dont benefit all that much from usage levels, only the need for a connection- so they tend to want the publishers to share the money back with them, and if the Kindle as a delivery platform takes a cut, why couldn't the cable company. More to the point though the Kindle is not a delivery platform, it is a delivery format -...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Sigh. I've never heard someone with opinions like that. In fact most of the people that I know who are uncomfortable with the violence committed in the name of Christianity are just as uncomfortable with the violence committed in the name of Islam. I'm not sure where you're getting your info from.
- Chrimmus Tad
When I mention the benefits Catholics have made to society, they say "but, but, the Inquisition!". When I suggest that the dramatic influx of Islamic population and culture into Europe may result in Islamic Republics under Sharia Law in Western Europe, they say I'm a Muslim hater and if only I knew one or two (which I do, btw), then I would know it's not all that bad and they're really nice people.
- Chad Myers
Note that I never said anything about Muslims, only about Islamic politics and law. They totally avoided the problems with human rights violations and terrible violence committed every day in the name of Sharia. Judging by their silence, they're either ignorant of these facts (likely), or they don't have a problem with it. Either way, it's not a good state of affairs that people don't realize what's going to be happening in the next 25-50 years in Europe.
- Chad Myers
Muslims have been in Europe since the middle ages. The Muslims in Europe more than likely don't want to live under Shari'a. If they did, they'd migrate to countries where Shari'a is law.
- Admiral Anika
Ah fearmongering drivel hiding behind prosetlytizing. Now I get your mindset.
- Admiral Anika
I wish I could dismiss facts as conveniently as you do. Were his facts incorrect? Attacking the messenger makes dismissing the truth easier for you, doesn't it? It's called 'Ad hominem' and it's a logical fallacy. The points and facts still remain. By your unwillingness to challenge them, I take it that you agree with them?
- Chad Myers
Don't fall for the dirty tricks tactic of telling us there's no hope. There is hope and his name is Barack Obama. To lose sight of that is to lose sight of what we are all here for.
Actually there is no hope. President isn't the only problem. Its all the corrupt and incompetent senators, represenatives, mayors, city councils, etc.
- Sean Davis
-1 Sean...begone from this post all who would deny us hope. The system is fixable and we will fix it.
- Alex Scoble
There's as much hope as you're willing to fight for. If you're not willing to fight, then you're right, there's no hope.
- Victor Ganata
I wish we could send them ALLLLL home and just start over... And uphold the Constitution this time.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
You're foolish if you think the solution is the president. The lesson no one has learned yet is that the president does not have the power to make you put down your credit cards or consume more than you earn. The solution is in the mirror and no one wants to look. Scapegoats won't get us out of this.
- Ernie Oporto
It's not the president. The president is not the solution. The president sets us on a specific path.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
The president has a lot of power and determines the direction the country takes on a lot of things that are very important, like energy policy, where we spend our research dollars, foreign policy, etc. We aren't saying that they are the solution, but they need to stop being part of the problem as well.
- Alex Scoble
And for the last 8 years the president has been part of the problem and not part of the solution.
- Alex Scoble
The president does matter because he populates his administration. That administration moves the country in certain directions based on stands on certain issues. We probably wouldn't be spending >$10 *Billion* a month in Iraq and who knows how much progress we could have made against AQ and OBL.
- AJ Kohn
There is hope but that hope is not in government it is in people.
- ChiliMac
Alex: I don't have much hope. The imagery is too hard to overcome and us elitists don't get listened to.
- Robert Scoble
McSame has a 50% chance of dying in the next 4 years... He's too feeble to campaign hard down the stretch...
- Indio Apache
from twhirl
Oh there is a lot of hope. Everyone is throwing in the towel because the media has become a cheerleader for Sarah Palin. But I have watched Sarah's interview and a McCain interview from today as well. They were both awful. They aren't going to last long unless they start talking about the issues.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
i just got back from the grocery...yeah, there are some stupid people out there.
- royce
@Brian Honestly, it isn't about being stupid at all. Nobody is truly a "rational" voter in the pure dispassionate sense. As much as we may hate to admit it, we all vote based on our emotions, whether those emotions are positive feelings associated with one party or negative with the other, how a candidate makes us feel, or what an advertisement makes us associate a candidate with.
- Kevin Bondelli
There's one with hope, the other with no hope. Only you can say when you vote in November.
- imabonehead
@Indio Apache: That is not correct. Sen. McCain has a 15% chance of dying in the next 4 years. And that is not taking into account the incredible medical care the POTUS receives.
- ChiliMac
am i the only one who feels this campaign is starting to veer into orwellian territories...it's all newspeak. it's like there's no discussion of the MASSIVE issues that who(m)ever wins will have to deal with. we spent three whole days discussing lip gloss and swine. seriously. are we all sleepwalking?
- .LAG liked that
I have hope. I can feel it and I can see it. You're either with us or against us. And if you're against us, we'll see you on the other side. Until then, we're going to do our best to try and make this country a better place.
- ::Kristen::
Hope. Change. Better. All words, no substance. Cult of personality. Hope for what? I have hope, I don't need Obama's supporting of failed-abortion-delivery-infanticide bills in Illinois or support of partial-birth skull/cracking brain-sucking abortions, either. What hope have the unborn? FTR, I can't stand McCain either. My hope is not in humanity, and certainly not some failed political leader. For those who's hope is there, be prepared to be terribly disappointed by whomever gets elected.
- Chad Myers
The president is not solution by himself/herself, but at least with Obama he won't be part of the problem, IMO.
- cjmart
If he did not have an admitted record, from a very early age, of telling people what they want to hear, as opposed to telling them what he really believes, I'd be a little more hopeful about Obama. In the end, either McCain or Obama are just human beings, and I do not place my hope for the future in human beings.
- ComicList
Such optimism here!! *eye roll* I'm sorry if I want to feel at least a tiny bit positive about what's to come. This is my future and I want to try to have a part in changing it. I made my choice a long time ago, I'm sticking to it, and those of you who live in your grumble grumble world aren't going to change that. I used to be proud of this country, but now? Not in the least. So instead of standing around and bitching and moaning about what's going on, I'm going to try to change it.
- ::Kristen::
"here is hope and his name is Barack Obama." - messiah much? I can see how peopel might support the guy, but is he really the one true hope for the world they way he is being cast? Hardly.
- Soulhuntre
I really feel sorry for people who feel like they have to place their hope in anyone but themselves.
- Craig Eddy
Kinda like how Obama said he had more experience than her since his campaign has twice the budget and many more staff? Apparently RUNNING for President gives you enough experience to BE President, according to Obama.
- Chad Myers
Obama is going to help me by filling forms out for me? That's going to make him pretty busy going house to house filling out people's taxes for them. :)
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
people on digg are complaining about this already. I don't see anyone making a McCain tax cut webpage. What's up republicans? Can't cut my taxes?
- Stefan Hayden
Josh- even up to $200,000 the site still says the cut would be $4,156.62. It is only at $500,000 that it says you will probably not going to get a cut. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think I'll ever make over $200,000 a year. (I'll be ecstatically happy if I ever get to $100,000)
- Kårín Dalzĭel
Josh, good money is a very relative term. My household income might not be squat in LA, but where I live it's twice the average.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Well, then I hope the chart/utility is pretty accurate. Then most of us will be OK.
- Josh Haley
Your Obama Tax Cut is: $980.92 John McCain would tax you $900.33 MORE than Barack Obama.
- Stefan Hayden
And what's with the policy that you can only have 1, 3 or 6 kids? ;)
- Josh Haley
I never put too much faith in these things. But then I'm a bit of a cynic. :)
- Kårín Dalzĭel
Obama's tax plan would be hugely damaging to the US economy if it ever happened. We'd all be hurting.
- Dave Roth
@Dave Roth - substantiate this, please...
- JA Castillo
Way to throw that out there with no backing Dave. Are you saying that Bush's tax plan (with McCain just wants to make permanent) has been beneficial to our economy?
- Jason Carreira
@Dave Roth: They said the same thing about Clinton's tax plans in 1992. Hmmmm how'd that end up?
- Jason B.
I'll be happy if Obama doesn't restore Bush's marriage penalty tax. Our Federal Taxes went from 8.5k+ to less than 5k. I don't wanna pay the IRS a huge chunk of my check all year.
- Chrimmus Tad
Here's what it said for me: "Your Obama Tax Cut is: You will probably not get an Obama Tax Cut" I knew it! In fact, he'll increase my taxes through tax hikes on dividends and capital gains.
- Morton Fox
@Morton, somehow I think you'll live... Maybe he'll send you a nice note of thanks.
- Jason Carreira
Obama to me: "No tax cut for you. Next!"
- Morton Fox
People who think a modern government can be run without money but instead on magical fairy dust and unicorn farts crack me up.
- Jason B.
Jason - The Clinton tax increase caused the 2000 recestion, the Bush tax cuts resulted in record government revenue.
- Robert Hafer
Your Obama Tax Cut is: $970.76 John McCain would tax you $210.42 MORE than Barack Obama
- Matt Hamilton
I could post a website that says if you elect Obama you'll sprout angel wings and crap gold nuggets; but it wouldn't be true.
- Robert Hafer
@Tina, keep it honest. Things are not as good right now than in recent past, but we are not in an actual recession which is 2 quarters of negative growth. We have not had that yet. I am not a huge Bush fan and don't like McCain as one of our choices, but still. As a matter of fact, I am not happy one bit with either choice this year. Also, check this out. http://biz.yahoo.com/ap...
- Eban Crawford
Your Obama Tax Cut is: $810.06 John McCain would tax you $545.27 MORE than Barack Obama.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Your Obama Tax Cut is: $486.21 John McCain would draft your ass into his ninth consectutive war this week.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
@Eban: while the definition of 2 quarters of negative growth sounds reasonable, it means that a quarter with a significant loss followed by a quarter with tiny gain rinse & repeat doesn't "qualify" as a recession when in fact the economy is on a downward trend. More to the point, it still feels like a recession to the consumer, and if it feels that way they're going to react as if it is, whether the 'definition' applies or not.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@tina and eban: Like that time bush claimed we gained jobs when we didn't make enough to even cover the amount of people entering the workforce that quarter let alone the jobs we lost over the past... waht was it? six quarters?
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Clinton flatlined the economy for the first 18 months of his reign. The republican congress is responsible for the growth for most of the rest of his presidency, and then Clinton left us with a recession.
- Dave Roth
My argument is just basic definitions and is not in defense of or against any political figure. My point is, by definition, we are not in a recession. Close, but not there. It hurts an argument when it is based on easily refutable facts. And last I checked, times "feeling" hard fails as a solid definition. Try bringing up feeling arguments between people of faith against skeptics. Same thing here.
- Eban Crawford
Just a general comment about taxes, but I do hope we'll move to a fixed tax rate and be done with it. Not sure if it'll even happen, but not having to worry about income brackets and deductions and arcane rules and loopholes would make it so much easier on us. New Zealand's tax law would be a good model to emulate. You fill out a single sheet and you're done.
- Raoul Pop
Oh, btw, my tax cut would also be $980. Isn't it just a bit weird that we are sort of admitting our salaries here? ;-)
- Eban Crawford
Your Obama Tax Cut is: $3,526.76. I'm assuming my McCain tax cut would be higher because it doesn't say anything.
- Alan Le
Eban I understand you're giving the definitions, and my gripe isn't with you it's with the definition itself. And when it comes to consumer spending on wants versus needs, I think times 'feeling' hard really does come into play.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Dave: interesting point about the first 18 months of Clinton's administration. How does that play out with the argument I often hear that all the economic gains of his whole first term were directly due to Bush Sr.?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I call BS on this thing. All the ratings I've seen show Obama raising taxes on the upper-middle class and wealthy which would show my taxes going slightly up. This thing shows me getting a $6,800 tax cut which I find completely unbelievable. So there it is, I'm laying down the B.S. (or MATH = FAIL) card
- Chad Myers
The biggest problem with economics an politics it that policies/laws/tax rates take a while to work through the system and show results; so one admin can be left with a mess or ride the good econ of the previos admin
- Robert Hafer
Our current econmics woes stem from the idea that owning a home is a right and not a privalage.
- Robert Hafer
I still get the feeling that few people out of DevDiv see .NET as core. "Hey, we tried that with Longhorn and it didn't work."
- Jon Galloway
Actually, today I was trying to get IIS7 to stop serving my JS and CSS files through ASP.NET. I guess you can't. Integrated mode seems to be all-or-nothing, unfortunately
- Chad Myers
Watched some of the special on CNN about being Black in America. Maybe it's just awful easy for me to say as a relatively well-off middle-aged white guy, but I'm tired of race. Can't we just move on to all just being humans? I don't want to think in terms of race any more...
Just another reason why I hate living south of the Mason Dixon line. It's really sad how many people are still racist / prejudiced / homophobic. It's quite disgusting. Hell, I get discriminated against because I'm a northerner.
- ::Kristen::
It would be nice to get past all this stuff, but then...what would comedians talk about?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well, I'm certainly not ready to past this whole "gender" thing. Maybe after the Singularity...
- Chrimmus Tad
I'm not quite ready to condemn the South just yet. On Saturday morning I was watching a PBS show about the years leading up to the Civil War; it pointed out that Oregon's "solution" to the issue was not only to ban slavery in the territory, but also to ban free blacks. And things weren't exactly peaceful when the integration movement left the South and moved toward places like Boston in the 1960s and the 1970s.
- Ontario Emperor
It takes a LOT of work to get little kids to hate people just because they're a different color. I don't think little bitty kids even notice.
- Chrimmus Tad
Yeah, I really don't think it's a North South thing. The issues are the same from Brooklyn to Atlanta for me.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@rahsheen ROTFL! you're so right. i don't know what we'd do if jeff foxworthy could no longer do his 'you might be a redneck' bit anymore! i say, let's keep RACE around, double, no, triple it... because the world needs more punchlines!
- .LAG liked that
The talk will end when equality of races is reached and there is no majority or minority. Then there will be no basis for racial discrimination.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
We'll just do that by default over the next few generation anyways. Maybe mature Nanotech will arrive and we'll be able to adjust our skin pigmentation at will. Then someone can hate me because I'm not the same pattern plaid they are.
- Chrimmus Tad
But racial discrimination exists today in the US largely due to the fact that people keep talking about it and making a big deal of it. Unfortunately, there are a few people in 'leadership' positions who have a vested interest in keeping the flames high so that they can keep getting lucrative speaking engagements and contributions to their 'causes'.
- Chad Myers
Mona, I think the reasons could be anything... anything in life that doesn't go a person's way... anger, animosity, frustration. Whatever the root of hate is, humans look for places to lay blame. And sadly exposure can work the opposite sometimes. Just look at the south: the proximity of the races has always been closer in the south than the north, but racism pervades, regardless.
- Ňicķ
.LAG, I used to own (or maybe even still own) Foxworthy's paperback of the first Redneck book. In the preface, Foxworthy pointed out that rednecks are not confined to the south.
- Ontario Emperor
@Tad I wish I didn't have to think about race either... but as a Black woman in my lifetime I'll unfortunately never have that luxury.
- Jasmin Smith
3 comments from a Canadian: 1. what is the Mason-Dixon line? I'm guessing the line betw/ the North and South in your Civil War? 2. Ontario Emperor, do you live in the U.S., and if so, are your stripes really Canadian? 3. These issues are as much a problem in other countries besides the U.S., even countries that don't have as obvious a racist history as the U.S.
- Trent Olson
Tad, it is awfully easy for you to say that you are tired of talking about the race. When it becomes awfully easy for minorities to say the same thing, then we can actually stop talking about the race. Till then, we have to live in a world where the racial issues of the past and present are discussed in public domain.
- Krishnan Subramanian
I feel what you're saying, Tad. The whole race thing is like an anchor on our society. Everbody keeps talking about removing it. Some people like it right where it is. But in all cases, it's still just holding us down.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Trent, the racism problem exists everywhere, but manifests itself differently
- Prolific Programmer
Where I've worked for close to a decade, I'm usually the only female and/or Black in my group. I've had at least two co-workers (who were neither) tell me that I could have management in the palm of my hand just by playing the race card. Each time I wondered where in the sanguinely providence that comment came from. I surely didn't provoke that line of thinking and resented the implication that I wouldn't want to make my way the same way anyone else there did. Who can't forget?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Yeah - that's a pretty silly thing for someone to tell you. It certainly doesn't sound like a compliment. It's like saying, "You suck, but since you're black you could be our manager."
- Chrimmus Tad
I's real easy for members of the advantaged group to say can we just stop all this jabbering and squabbling about race.
- Michael Markman
It may be real easy, but I think it's correct. Is there some reason why we should continue creating artificial difference amongst ourselves because of our levels of skin pigmentation?
- Chrimmus Tad
Because, as others have said, it's awful easy for a member of the majority race to say things like that and it's pertinent to the discussion.
- Chrimmus Tad
This is what we need, a discussion about race. Until we talk about race, racism will always exist.
- Gregory R
What I found most appealing about Obama was his trans-racialism -- he wasn't about race. He was about universal human and social issues. And that is why I recoiled in disgust when the Clinton campaign, in collusion with the Murdoch-dominated MSM, insisted on dragging race into the Obama discussion at every opportunity.
- Sean McBride
I <3 that show or i think that's how you do it
- Cecil Sandus
I loved Reading Rainbow. How come they don't have quality children shows like this anymore? I don't think the barney derivatives are that great for kids as far as education and learning.
- Alan Le
Man, is there any place to get episodes of Reading Rainbow in a decent quality? Are they on DVD? When I have kids, I want to pass it on to them.
- Mark Trapp
At least in our area, it's still on in syndication. It's on my TiVo right now, as a matter of a fact. I've got mad geek Dad skillz, yo
- Chad Myers
Thanks for sharing. I loved the show too, and had forgotten about it entirely.
- Paul Whitaker
*sigh* And yet when Mugabe visits the UN, they give him applause and talk about how amazing he is. Oh yeah, and he likes to tell the US how screwed up we are and how racist our election process is -- as his death squads roam the land and seize farms because "too many White people have farms" (paraphrased). He'll be leading the UN committee to investigate allegations of racism in our election process. I feel safer already.
- Chad Myers
Mugabe is a stereotype of what's wrong in Africa.
- Chrimmus Tad
Here's one for the armchair morality philosophers and amature family lawyers: Woman and Man marry. Thery are unable to conceive, so they have sperm and eggs frozen in hopes of in-vitro later on. They end up divorcing first. Woman grabs sperm, has clinic fertilize eggs and gets in-vitro... c'td..
Woman gets pregnant, has a baby. Woman sues man for paternity. Man argues that he wasn't a consenting party and therefore is not the father. Court agrees. Court has to decide who the father is because the State requires a Mother and Father. The Court decided. Before I tell you what they decided, I'd like to hear who you think should be the Father for legal purposes.
- Chad Myers
Something like name the father the Father but somehow emancipate the child so the bio-dad has no legal liability or benefit of fatherhood? Or the Mother is the father. Which doesn't make any sense. Or the in-vitro clinic is the father. Which is GREAT, cuz just *think* of the child support checks!
- Matt Hinze
*Bing!* Matt wins the prize. Not the clinic, but the clinic TECHNICIAN! How's that for job liability? Bonus: If I recall correctly, the technician was a woman.
- Chad Myers
Terrarium was created by members of the .NET Framework team in the .NET Framework 1.0 timeframe and was used initially as an internal test application.
- Alan Le
from Bookmarklet
found out about this from kevin dente's tweet.
- Alan Le
oh man, I loved that thing. So glad it's coming back. Keep an eye out for my new 'Predator'-style critter. Freakin' laser beams!
- Chad Myers
let me guess... closed-source drivers? huh...
- A.T.
@silpol - and yer point for such a stupid comment?? open source is not the end all be all ya know and gawd forbid some company out there that actually wants to make that thing they call money and the fact that the money goes to people who have rent / mortgages to pay or a family to feed - fuck comments like that really piss me off sometimes.
- Steven Hodson
I so didn't expect the conversation on this link. Microsoft makes a mouse and designed it to work against Windows, I don't see anything wrong with that.
- Alan Le
@Alan: You just don't understand! The world *will* come to an end if MS doesn't release GPL drivers for all of their hardware products.
- Chad Myers
@stevenhodson: There's nothing wrong with either closed or open source... Nothing to get angry for, come on :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@steven conversely, your comment is extremely smart and to the point, leave alone impersonallity and wittiness... just one little thing tho some people get paid for open source
- A.T.
[obligatory meta-conversation] It's weird how a MOUSE can cause a conversation about opensource drivers. just sayin.
- Yuvi
Steven: Aren't we talking about mouse drivers? Is Microsoft planning on charging for the mouse AND the drivers, or just the mouse? If they're charging for just the mouse, isn't it in their interest to make it as usable as possible on as many different OSes as possible? I personally don't care if they make the drivers open or closed source, it just seems to me that open source drivers would spur more sales of the hardware, which is the bit they make their money from.
- David Worrell
@David: Err, you mean I need to install SEPERATE MOUSE DRIVERS for Linux? I never quite remember installing one for windows.... (I could be wrong - maybe fancy ones do require sep. drivers. But, I've got a wireless one that needs no special drivers)
- Yuvi
@silpol - true enough some folks do get paid for working on open source projects that are then used by companies to either directly or indirectly to make money from. The problem is that the *common* perception of open source is that is all about free software. While you may not have intended for that reaction I get really tired of people taking potshots at companies in the software...
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- Steven Hodson
Yuvi, that's just the problem and quite astute: some open source (and Apple) evangelists can't help but interlope into any conversation they can to proselytize their politic.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@David yes we are talking about Drivers here and they *are considered* to be free but the fact is that they as has been pointed out something that they use to make money from the products that use them. Does this mean though that being open sourced is going to benefit companies that are making money from those products - no it doesn't and I really don't care if the things are open or closed source either. It just really irtritates me - this assumption that open source is the cure for all our ills.
- Steven Hodson
posting token freetard crack, also, sexy!
- Eric Rice
If its got trackball capabilities, I'm all for it. Once I got used to trackball I never wanted to go back to a movable mouse.
- Melanie Reed
@Yuvi I had my Windows desktop and my Linux box on a PS/2 KVM. My Logitech trackball drove Ubuntu nuts.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I still use a touchpad attached to my PC. Never liked that mice required desk real estate to be useful. Much better to keep the pointer peripheral stationary.
- Sprague D
Wow, that looks like RSI waiting to happen...
- Brad Brooks
@Sprague D Same here. My desk real estate is too valuable for the price of a mouse. lol
- Melanie Reed
I bought an IntelliMouse Explorer 2 to change the one I used with my former powerbook -apple's mouse sucks- and still works fine. The only thing I got from MS that works as it should.
- david medina
I love MS keyboards but never liked their mice. Never seem to fit my hand and the scroll wheels always seem to loose.
- Scott Bauer
"I think this illustrates the fundamental difference between Apple, a seller of luxury consumer products, and Microsoft, a developer of business and consumer platforms." well said.
- Jon Galloway
If they could both get over their silly snubbing of each other and start working together, serious awesomeness could ensue.
- Chad Myers
Silly snubbing of each other? Which company has licensed its ActiveSync software to the other? Which one refused to license its Fairplay DRM to anyone? Which company has a vicious ad campaign that bashes the other one's products? I do believe that Apple is the bigger offender here.
- Ed Bott
@Ed: I'm not arguing that, and you're right anyhow. Microsoft's not quite as overt, but they aren't making huge efforts on the Mac platform. It's more than token, but not as much as it could be.
- Chad Myers
Great post, Dave, but ask yourself this: might a neocon in phony progressive clothing be more dangerous than an overt neocon? Obama would have more political juice than McCain to press on with neocon schemes for Mideast military aggression and domestic police state programs. I no longer have any confidence in my understanding of who Obama really is.
- Sean McBride
The general consensus I've read is that now that Obama's facing the general election, he's playing toward the middle to get more votes. A lot of his hard-left progressive supporters are freaking out.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva -- the pro-FISA position is hard neocon right, not "the middle." Most Americans are disenchanted with and strongly oppose most neocon policies, including the Iraq War and the mad neocon scramble to expand the Iraq War to Iran. If Obama loses his base, the steam will go out of his campaign with a great rush. There are strong indications that this has already happened. (Hillary Clinton lost the nomination largely because she moved too far to the neocon right, under the prodding of Mark Penn.)
- Sean McBride
People who see this as a right-left thing are not paying attention. The Constitution is what all Americans agree on, and it's what each of these people, Senators, Presidents etc, swear to uphold. It's an honor and trust thing in addition to being a freedom thing. Any conservative who isn't pissed off by this isn't actually a conservative at all. It's about the most conservative issue there is.
- Dave Winer
@Akiva I agree, but now he has to contend with charged of being a flip flopper (and I personally see him as one now). He went from saying he would filibuster the bill to voting yes. @Tim I completely agree. Obama is just another crappy politician in my book now.
- JP Landry
Democrats have been beat up on national security for so long that they seem to have internalized the criticism - kind of a political version of battered wife syndrome. Obama offers some improvement over this, but obviously he still believes this as well. In any case, Larry Lessig has the best breakdown of this that I've so far seen: http://lessig.org/blog...
- Eric P
Dave is right. When I visited Washington DC I had both Democrats and Republicans say they supported FISA. Why? Because inside the beltway they are really freaked out about terrorists. Remember, Flight 93 was aimed at them. Listen to our interviews with Congressman John Culberson and you'll hear a pretty good defense of FISA. I'll go get you the URL.
- Robert Scoble
Here's the Culberson interview, filmed by Andrew Feinberg: http://qik.com/video/112754 -- I'll try to find the place where he talked about FISA.
- Robert Scoble
Must read in Salon: http://tinyurl.com/6kgs48 "But was Obama's position on FISA really a matter of political calculation? If so, he needs to check his math. By almost any measure, political passions on this issue are heavily concentrated among the FISA bill's opponents. There was no real voter pressure on Obama to support the bill. Public opinion polls have consistently shown the bill...
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- Sean McBride
In a word ; disappointment I was stunned on how little this got covered. Passing that act was an historic embarrassment to our beautiful idea of an nation.
- mediaeater
Sean, exactly -- that's why I said it was a fight he should have welcomed. Finally an election issue that's worth debating, not just in stupid ads, but among the electorate. Let's have a referendum on whether we believe in the Constitution.
- Dave Winer
Even Hillary voted against it. I, too, am disappointed in Obama.
- Doug Kaye
He starts getting interesting at about 13 minutes left in the conversation. Says he wants government out of our lives. At 7 minutes left in the conversation he says he looked to what Matt Thornberry told him. You really should listen to this video at this point.
- Robert Scoble
Dave, yes -- what is so disappointing about this is that Obama missed a golden opportunity to cement his reputation as a candidate with strong principles and backbone. His campaign would have been elevated and energized by doing the right thing. Instead, now survey the ruin among his base and his declining contributions. (Btw, I define myself as a "progressive libertarian" -- I support...
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- Sean McBride
As a longtime McCain supporter (and supporter of this tremendously unpopular surveillance program), its interesting to see the disappointment and disenfranchisement people feel over Obama's position. I understand that most people here disagree with both myself and Obama on this matter, and that's fine. But I think its pretty naive to expect a politician (and make no mistake, Obama is and always has been a consummate politician) to not do something like this. (cont'd)
- Curtis Schweitzer
(cont'd from above) People on the right have long been making the case that, based on his past, Obama is not an "agent of change" and that his image as a political outsider isn't based in reality. This, I think, proves that point. Perhaps its politically unwise for me, a McCain supporter to say this, but maybe a better route is not to stop supporting Obama financially, but rather to try to change his mind, even after the fact. (cont'd)
- Curtis Schweitzer
The latest poll which came out today shows that McCain and Obama are now within 3 points of each other, and that Obama lost something like 12 points. The only explanation I have for this is his vote on FISA. Why did he vote yes on this when he could have just abstained? I believe that he thinks with all the problems the US is confronting and all the reforms he wants to do, he needs all the executive power he can get. This is not about liberal/conservative, it's about concentration of power.
- Paul Denlinger
(cont'd from above) What is most certainly unwise is pretending that Obama is somehow "above" the political process or that he really means what he says about reforming it. Because he isn't above it, and he can't possibly follow through on his promises of reform. And that's ok. He's a politician that you agree with on most things-- it is unrealistic and frankly a little thickheaded to cease supporting him simply because of a disagreement. He's going to do what it takes to get elected, and sometimes (cont'd)
- Curtis Schweitzer
(cont'd from above)...sometimes that means doing things that you may not agree with. It will happen. (McCain and I disagree on a great many number of things, but that doesn't mean I will stop donating to his campaign). So keep donating to the causes you believe in, and fight even those politicians you support when you think they're wrong. That's what the American political process is all about.
- Curtis Schweitzer
I'm not so disturbed nor so fickle. 1. Obama voted to amend the immunity out of the bill. They couldn't get the votes, which means they couldn't over-ride a promised veto either. 2. Other parts of the bill put in restraints that are important to have, and Bush had promised to sign it. 3: A parliamentary device is important - only those on the prevailing side can introduce...
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- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
@Dennis: +5. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Politics is not about perfection. Work to change your candidate's platform, not against your candidate. Seriously folks, you have friends, family and spouses who do things you don't agree with but we don't cut ourselves off from them or file for a divorce.
- AJ Kohn
I don't see what the big deal is about telecom immunity. You can't ask a public company to say no to the NSA, it'd be a moral victory which they wouldn't be able to tell anyone about because of the secrecy involved and a potential hassle with the federal government. No upside, only downside. AT&T shouldn't have been asked to do it at all, which is what the FISA bill is about.
- Nicholas Molnar
Here's the rub: Congress is totally freaking worthless and has been for a few decades now. It's a total fire sale and the highest bidder runs the country for awhile. If you hate Bush, then you haven't been paying attention to what the Congress has been doing for the past 20+ years (R's and D's, doesn't matter). Anyone who thinks that voting a senator into the White House will solve anything is fooling themselves. They're the ones responsible for the sorry state of things! Throw the bums out!
- Chad Myers
Just a comment on the "even Hillary voted against it" thing. Clinton is no longer running for president. I seriously doubt she would have voted against the bill if she was the candidate.
- Didi Chanoch
Maybe he's just another triangulating Slick Willie. But he's quite correct. The Left will vote for him anyway. And I'll take a Slick Willie over the neocons any day. Sigh.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Well said Mr. Winer - I still can believe Sullivan's altogether lazie-fair attitude towards all of this. Surprising to say the least.
- Will DeLuca
Good comments above. One point that was missed was that you need to differentiate between conservatives (think Goldwater) and neoconservatives (think GW Bush).
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Ontario Emperor: neoconservatives are anti-conservative, anti-liberal, anti-libertarian and anti-American (thus the assault on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights). They are a strange mix of Trotskyism and Judeo-Christian fascism and have glommed on to the conservative movement and turned it upside down and inside out. They are operating out of the 20th century authoritarian/totalitarian tradition.
- Sean McBride
Ontario Emperor & Sean McBride: both great comments. It's sad that this distinction isn't made more publicly.
- Zach Underwood
It's sad to see any politician or elected official sell our freedoms for any reason. It especially hurts when you see someone, like Obama, profess change and professing to being of the people, "change" his message.
- Dennis Hays
With one exception, the FISA compromise does what Democrats wanted, and what most people thought the law was and should be. Telecom immunity was a tough sell, and it seems pretty understandable the Obama ultimately was not willing to kill the bill for it. I thought his explanation: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-... captured the issues fairly well.
- Kevin Miller
But there's a larger issue. It's hard for me to reconcile the Dave Winer who wrote this: http://www.scripting.com/davenet... with the one who wrote the post here. Politicians make shitty software, too, and it's equally as immature to ascribe evil purposes to Obama as to those who write software with bugs in it. Taken in full, Obama is the most promising politician in a generation, and this is a moment when we need every bit of political skill he can bring to the table.
- Kevin Miller
Dave, I agree with you about FISA. It feels like the wrong decision by Obama. It also feels wrong that you would stop $$ support based on the FISA decsion. Assuming $$ is important to Obama's campaign your decision makes it more likely that McCain is elected. Regardless of the FISA vote, is that what you want?
- Linc Holland
Linc and Kevin: Obama's base is sending him a powerful message: if you deviate too much from the positions you claimed to hold before being nominated, if you morph into a Joseph Lieberman clone, we will pull the rug out from under you so fast that it will make your head spin. Isn't that a message that Obama needs to hear loud and clear?
- Sean McBride
Sean: I agree that that's a good message to send. But do you really see Obama morphing into a Joe Lieberman clone? I don't think that's what's going on here. He accepted a compromise that many of us wouldn't have. Maybe I wouldn't have, either. But once the House passed this new compromise, it was either going to be this bill or nothing, and I can understand that decision.
- Kevin Miller
Kevin - I am still holding out hope that Obama will remain true to most of the policy positions he espoused this last spring. I don't think it does any harm to remind him and his top advisers that his base is paying very close attention to these matters. (And there is no conceivable way that I could vote for John McCain.)
- Sean McBride
If you read Obama's policy statements from before he won the primaries you'll see he hasn't really changed his position at all. He was always further to the right than Hillary Clinton on issues such as energy, climate change, universal health care.
- Paul Guinnessy
Wish they could separate the froth-mouthed Bush hatred and stick to the issues and hold Congress accountable. Blaming it all on the president is a lost cause because it's Congress' job to keep this kind of crap from happening and time, and time again they have failed. If you hate Bush, you should hate Congress worse for letting him do everything he's done. Congress has been completely worthless for about 20+ years now and that's the real problem.
- Chad Myers
Did anyone stand up and walk out in protest?
- Chad Myers
Did not a single soul anywhere in PR have an inkling of how irresistible this would be to headline writers around the world?
- Tom Harrison
On the other hand, maybe these people are experts at eating, they really know how to get the good food. Maybe they are the best people to help others get the good food too. :D
- Andrew Baron
You all sound like hypocrites to me. I guess you all starve yourself every day in protest of world hunger and the global food crisis. Would it have made any difference if they had Big Mac's and fries? This whole thread is a joke. At least they were discussing how to solve the global food crisis. All you all are doing is having this pathetic discussion.
- Michael Tefft
I didn't have an 18 course meal to discuss world hunger.
- Chris Cavs
Michael, not only is the irony irresistible- it might be argued that this demonstrates a lack of compassion... not they'd think better while fasting about it, because the brain needs sugar, but politicians in particular should know better about PR backlash and how it works.
- Brian Carter
@Michael: Somehow I don't think they were actually discussing the global food crisis. And, for the record, I'm willing to be that most of us in this thread donate food and money to food banks and charities that get food to Africa, SE Asia, etc. Nice try at a tu quoque, but it didn't work.
- Chad Myers
By 'rebranding' you mean 'was non-existant until FireFox added XmlHttpRequest()'? Because that's what kicked off 'Ajax'. Before then, there was nothing to respectably call AJAX except on IE. Find a copy of Netscape 4.75 and write me a little AJAX anything and then come back and explain to me how 'rebranding' works :)
- Chad Myers
@Chad Myers, Yes, FF adding XMLHttpRequest was key. But it was still a lot later until JJG coined Ajax and it really started to take off. Microsoft and XHR + FF implementing it too + great examples like Google Suggest, Google Maps, Gmail and then finally a *designer* puts it all together... and we end up with Ajax.
- Dion Almaer