PREDICTION: The problem FriendFeed will have is when it will be very popular (mainstream if you want), there will be so much content that you won't be able to see eevrything. A page refresh and tons of content is published. We will for sure miss tons of good stuff.
a page shows say, 30 entries, between two refreshes, say there's 2000 new entries by friends and friends of friends... you see what I mean?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
We need some way to lens ACROSS content, to view things based on value / ranking / medium, etc. Already there's more content in even my shallow feed than I can comfortably follow, and few of my friends even use FF.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I expect we'll see more than you realize. Likes and Comments keep stuff bouncing to the top until you get a chance to see it.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm liking and commenting just to bounce ya twice. ;)
- Internet's Tad
Best guess is that hyper growth is already being foreseen with numerous solutions. These guys are good!
- Charlie Anzman
only if you subscribe to everybody under the sun. I'm sure scoble aleady has that problem here and on twitter
- Brett Kelly
Block and Hide aren't nearly good enough for the things I want to do when updates hit several tens per second. I, really, want things like Boolean filters of near arbitrary complexity, feedback learning, and flexible presentation ranking, just to stay sane.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I'm telling you guys - Lindsay totally pegged it. FF is the site that just DEMANDS an Intelligent Agent to sift through the volcanic soil to expose the rough diamonds. If the FF devs have half a brain, they have a genius or two slaving away on that right now.
- Internet's Tad
I agree, lots of stuff falls through the cracks through out the day. I think the 'best of' was added for this reason. I haven't really used it that much though.
- Tsega Dinka
but all the good stuff is reshared... personally my eyes are trained to scan content quickly and efficiently. it weeds out what i'm interested in and not. if all else fails, there's always the "BLOCK" or "HIDE" options...
- Mona Nomura
Resharing is data-cluttering, as I see it. I want a system that unifies references to URLs, for one. It tells me where that reference is made from (Rooms, friends, likes, whatnot), but only gives me a single thing to look out for any given referent. The actual rest of info is just useful metadata for building lenses out of.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
You ask the wrong question with your prediction my multi-lingual friend -- the question is not whether we will see too much, but whether we will see enough? FriendFeed (with or without NoiseRiver) is an extremely good model for seeing "enough". NoiseRiver will allow the "noise lovers" to see even more :-)
- Robert Seidman
As more people join, simply being good at managing who you follow will be more important and should keep the noise down.
- Martin Bryant
Surely people like Robert Scoble are already at that level, he manages fine!
- Joe Dawson
Especially if one uses small screens and apps like twhirl to view the feed...
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
We'll just need a CloseFriendFinder app to sit on top of FriendFinder
- Craig Thomler
I don't see the problem if there is the right method to represent the contnet, in a away that the fruition of it by the user would be easier...
- Edoardo Piccolotto
from twhirl
Yes. There is the potential for much more clutter here than twitter, for example. FF needs enhanced filtering tools.
- Ian Fogg
It's already happening for me. Need tags. Plus likes and comments only go so far. What if I like stuff only a few others like? How do I find that?
- Larry Huffman
if more of my friends were on FF I wouldn't be subscribed to so many people I don't know
- Samuel Bostock
the average user isn't going to be subscribed to that many people. and the mainstream will be much less "active" in terms of generating content than the hardcore early adopters. In short, I don't buy the argument.
- Jamie
The average user doesn't use the majority of features present on mobile phones. In Portugal owning a expensive phone is a status statement, but most of them could use the cheapest mobile in term of features used. With software and web services it's the same, people use just a subset of the features, and they have to be in front of them. Power users and all it's likes and dislikes are useful to test the limits of a application, but besides that are not the voice of God.
- Mário Pires
This is where the top posts of the day/week/month will come into play. I sure that someone will comment or like a post before it flits away. It does bear consideration though, put some brakes on the speed of posting perhaps?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Maybe a combo of FriendFeed and Digg? people could set to only receive posts with X number of likes/comments...or based on the rep of the person posting...
- Craig Thomler
If i could create "groups" of people by subjects relevant to me perhaps it would be more manageable.
- Mário Pires
so there will be meta services (think summize). Cool. no problemo.
- john conroy
Just look at the Everyone feed. Only imagine articles with 1,000 likes (ala Digg) and 500 comments (ala slashdot). Some people may want the raw feeds, we'll need new filters/views/trails/signposts/guides/topics etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
I have the feeling that the FF staff will roll with the punches. Scalability!
- Steve Isaacs
@Robert Scoble: you WON'T be able to manage that noise. It's simply a mathematical fact. Say, you see 30 post, and between two refreshes, 20.000 entries are posted. The next page will show the last 30 of these 20.000 new entries. You will miss the entries in between. Liking or commenting from FOAF won't help. Because the flow will run... fast.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Prescient in Twitter's case. For awhile it was so for FF too. I don't know about now however; things are slower.
- Fulaan, inna Hebel
Hi, mohomed! That's so old, how did you find it? :)
- directeur
I was looking for a post with an mp3 attached to it from awhile ago that I needed, but couldn't find it. It's some soft of new jazz from Turkey. A bald guy with blue was attached as an image holding some sort of instrument. But I stumbled across a bunch of good other old posts.
- Fulaan, inna Hebel
I tried it when it was first released and it was too buggy and slow for me to use as a quicksilver replacement. I'll have to take another look at it.
- Phil Maxwell
I've been using it for about a month. It's great.
- John Graham
It even let's you send updates to Twitter: "To tweet using QSB first set up your Twitter account (as documented above). Once that is setup you are ready to tweet. To actually tweet, you need to know the secret of creating a text item in QSB. Text items are things that start with a space (i.e. hit the space bar and then start typing). So to tweet you must activate the QSB, hit the space...
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- Peter van Teeseling
same guy developed it, if i got ir correctly
- Naor Mark
There's a Mac version of Desktop too. I've used both versions. QSB is quite a bit more useful.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I'm going to have to give this another look. It looks like they've made some more improvements. @Naor yes, Alcor, the developer of Quicksilver is the lead dev at Google on this project now.
- Adam Turetzky
I've been using it since the first release. It's replaced Quicksilver for me although there are still some things that I miss. It's quite stable.
- Brandon Titus
same here, it's a fantastic app I can't live without now.
- Jim Carter
@Adarm, that's a good reason to follow this one, should be interesting to see how it'll eveolve, it has to go some way before replacing QS, although it does feel great, wonder if they'll let plug-ins to be developed
- Naor Mark
it does bring this idea forth - somebody make an app to get rid of vowels. itl work. i think ... English is a cool language. a world language.
- Petr Buben
I'm looking for your best examples of a 'social stripe' that encourages users to bookmark, Tweet, Email, Delicious etc. (Above is from Mashable.)
- AJ Kohn
This looks quite nice. Does Google's "Share" still exist?
- Mitch
@Mitch - If you're referring to Google Shared Stuff, that was discontinued last month, sadly.
- Tyson Key
I like this. Any chance there is a WordPress plug in that does it this way for you?
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas: Socialable has something but it's tiny and not nearly as clean, yet prominent. I'm looking for other sites with a good 'stripe' - blogs or content - so I can create one for a major health site. [edit] Check my blog for Sociable presentation http://www.blindfiveyearold.com
- AJ Kohn
Tyson - Yeah that's the one. Did you use it much?
- Mitch
@Mitch - I only ever bookmarked about 7 items with it, before they discontinued it. I think they're all archived in FriendFeed, though.
- Tyson Key
I don't know why Google launched such a thing, to be perfectly honest.
- Mitch
Amusingly, they're reckoning that piping items through Google Reader, or marking videos as favourites on YouTube are suitable alternatives... Wonders never cease.
- Tyson Key
Their toolbar for letting you share any item in Google Reader, whether you're subscribed to the feed or not, is genius though.
- Mitch
*bump* Give me your best social stripes from around the web (before the new FriendFeed UI comes out!)
- AJ Kohn
anybody her friend on FB? Check your phonebook to see if she's posted a number
- nakachi
Her message is in ping.fm so her FB status is already updated Mohomed. Is there any other info you need to track her down?
- vijay
Does anyone know how to get in touch with Shevonne via phone - or who lives near her? The tweet was sent via ping.fm - does that mean it's from her phone?
- WorldofHiglet
Is there a way to message her friends on FB?
- vijay
Let's all hope she means like getting attacked by a cold or flu. I'd hate to think someone is getting harmed and no one can help out in any way
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I don't think we have enough reason to start calling the cops. Call her, yes. Call the cops and tell them she posted an ubiquitous tweet? Not so much, ya'll. I'm being serious.
- nakachi
Her previous tweet is of her being at a party! Her next tweet is "getting attacked!" C'mon guys!
- vijay
that 123people site is scary....I don't want to look myself up just in case!
- WorldofHiglet
Phew! Just saw the comment above that she's tweeted again. Yay! :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Vijay's commitment deserves credit. Good job.
- Sprague D
But don't you guys think that if she could use Ping.fm in a dangerous situation that she'd call 911 instead? Give the girl some credit.
- Captain Bubbles
That reaction to her tweet was very impressive!! (Seriously) I had to reach the police a couple of days ago--they NEVER arrived. The FF squad here would have proven much more effective than numerous calls to the authorities. This has turned out well and we can laugh at an 'over-reaction.' But I offer kudos to you all.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Obviously glad she's alright. This tweet + reaction _so_ better be discussed on the next FFundercats.
- Micah Wittman
Wowsers. This will teach Shevonne to be careful what she tweets!! It is on her FB too. Glad to know FF got her back!
- Amani
It was a bunch of horny guys grabbing on her apple bottom ...
- Amani
She's our girl. We love her. We always protect the ones we love. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Jesus. I need an illegal substance. That was a lot.
- nakachi
Micah, that's a completely different situation. I guess I've seen way too many of these sorts of things escalate to the point of personal info being posted. I DMd her and got a reply back quick. No need for all this drama.
- Captain Bubbles
Also, in this case, since it was clear she was out partying, my first thought was that she was getting hit on, not actually attacked.
- Captain Bubbles
I've deleted the link to personal info I posted, suggest others do too.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Anika, I agree with you. But it wasn't clear what the situation was. What if she called 911 then tweeted (I don't know, having enough time locked in her car). The scenarios where it's a reasonable interpretation are, though improbable, endless.
- Micah Wittman
I've deleted the link to personal info I posted, suggest others do too
- Christopher Harley
Thanks Mohomed for the help! :) Glad it turned out to be far less serious. Now that things are back to normal, let's all bury this thread and move on to regular FF :)
- vijay
After this last thought I'm taking vjay's advice to let this thread wash away with the tide. Anika's right about the problem of personal information leakage, and in the future I expect social engineering scams will only raise the stakes. On the other hand, no one wants to see (much less be complicit in) another justin.tv style tragedy either http://mashable.com/2008...
- Micah Wittman
Mohomed, people should just not tweet things that can be read as an emergency unless it really is an emergency.
- Rochelle
There was no personal information leaked. I emailed Shevonne at the addy she posted in the sidebar of her Twitter page and called the mobile that she posted on a profile page accessible to anyone that searches her name + phone number.
- Christopher Harley
I'm guessing Shevonne was being attacked, but not in a life-threatening way. It was annoying/invasive enough to tweet and she would not have realised it was being interpreted that way.
- WorldofHiglet
Woah, was this whole thing a joke? Please tell me yes.
- Charles Bihis
I'll admit that I was ignorant in not knowing the full extent, if any, of the danger she was in but as for being disquiet over the anxiety that such a raw plea should elicit, all I can say is that hindsight is always 20/20.
- Christopher Harley
The hashtag does sound like an interesting idea. Perhaps an iPhone or Android app can be created to tweet one's location with the hashtag at the press of a button (plus a *very* quick verification to make sure the buttton isn't accidentally pressed).
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I think an important aspect is keeping as clear a distinction between the services as you can get. As in, one music service, one location-based service, one video service, one bookmarking service, one photo-sharing service, etc. That way, when you do something, you won't be updating multiple profiles at once. I know, easier said than done, but it helps.
- Charles Bihis
"The aim of this site is simple. We list a whole bunch of icons which are all great to use for your web development projects. But we are different to other icon-related websites because we only list icons which you can use for free on personal AND commercial projects AND without having to provide back-links/credit to the author. These types of icons can be tough to find, so here is a while list for your convenience!"
- Seth Greenblatt
from Bookmarklet
XKCD's alt text: "... okay, but because you said that, we're breaking up." *My* alt text: "No. You're just a standard deviant."
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
Isn't it supposed to be an extra variance joke in the end?
- Hurt Feelings Inc.
I don't think those are error bars. That looks like a box plot to me. The whiskers (which look like error bars) actually represent the smallest and largest non-outlier values.
- Robert Felty
"Because of this variability, it is appropriate to describe the convention being used for the whiskers and outliers in the caption for the plot." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- ⓞnor
Can you guys fix the bookmarklet so that it sucks through the xkcd alt text pls
- Alex Gawley
Alex: The alt text is just the title of the strip; the funny stuff is in the title attribute.
- Gabe
Gabe: good point. Friendfeeders - can you guys fix the bookmarklet so that it sucks through the xkcd img title text pls?
- Alex Gawley
Showed this to my kids the other day. My 5 year old is *still* talking about it. Now she wants to do it with her challk, or rather have me do it. I can't even draw a cube.
- Captain Bubbles
Seriously awesome - good enough to close FF for the night, because it can't get better than that.
- Nadine Schaeffer
That is the most amazing thing i've ever read. I would proudly give that man a dozen bj's in a show of my appreciation for brightening my evening considerably.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Dude. How is it that mimicking lovecraft warrants a dozen bjs, but $20 only gets one?!
- mjc
@mjc: because that's just how I roll. :) I should also point out that the black Crystal Bic is my most favorite pen on the planet. So perhaps that's adding to my oral generosity?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Just wanted to say that when I woke up this morning, I knew that this would have to be the first thing I looked at online.
- Katy S
Man i can only say what i think, i love tech but from well pokey old N.Ireland, i love my iPone & flash but I fear we will never see Flash on the iphone, this threatens Apples whole profit model. Before App Store and even now the abundance of webapps specially designed for the iphone. Now imagine the Possibilities with Flash & Action script, the small file sizes and complete lack of...
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- Paul Kennedy
Even if they can overcome efficiency issues, existing flash programs are not built for multi-touch, or any form of finger-touch. I suspect a large number of them would be unusable in anything resembling a browser, and would need serious work to make them any good. Adding flash would simply add frustration as people poked around trying to get things to work. I just don't see Apple wanting to expose users to this kind of experience.
- Robin Barooah
Not a fan of this. Flash is a processor hog and most things aren't built for multi touch. My iphone battery already doesn't last too long especially if I use the phone. Flash is going to kill it. I do use twhirl but I stuggle to see how flash is going to add to the iphone / ipod touch experience.
- Chris
from twhirl
On the other hand, I could imagine them entertaining the idea of a flash video player of some sort. Such a thing could be made available by apple in the platform as a cocoa component, or as a binary by Adobe. Video sites such as hulu could then write regular app-store apps to provide a native iPhone GUI to play video from their existing networks. Apple wouldn't lose any of the control they currently have over app distribution, and the iPhone would gain video players for the flash sites.
- Robin Barooah
How big of a deal is multi-touch, Flash and the iPhone? The iPhone webkit stack provides (almost) everything needed for the interface. Flash is badly needed for two thing 1) Video 2) hidden Flash objects for marshalling data between the presentation layer and the server. I'm sure some people will try and use Flash on the iPhone to build "flashy" sites but DHTML/Ajax can do all of that already
- Troy Forster
from twhirl
yes, please! but wait... that will snail up my iPhone! augh!
- Susan Beebe
"On Wednesday, someone was able to hack into a road safety sign in the Boston area, alerting drivers to the undead. It's been done before, but never so hilariously!"
- Cheryl Jones
from Bookmarklet
poor kid. Shouldn't have had to go through that but happy he's back :)
- Kamath (नमः)
Liking this and then hiding it because the picture is just killing me.
- Nine
great story. i hate to see animals and dogs in particular mistreated and neglected.
- Cee Bee
This is the reason I gave up wanting to be a vet when I was a teen. I can't stand seeing animals suffer. That first pic is just horrifying. I would have to kick someone's ass for allowing that to happen.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I'm not an animal fanatic, but the condition of that dog - who was in human "care" - is disgusting
- Kevin L
this is just awful but great obviously that he's recovered. I would rather die myself before letting that happen to my dog.
- Zee.
Glad there is a happy ending to this story. I live too close to puppymill central and this is more common than you think.
- Janet
I'm so glad that he's recovered, but damn, I would be crying and so pissed off at that woman who did it to him... I train in an art that promotes peace but that would push me pretty close to the line... Very near evil.
- Lindsay
"For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me. Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Sanjeev had a similar idea a while back. Instead of asking questions on usenet (which people may ignore or tell you to rtfm), post the wrong answer, and they will eagerly correct it in order to prove their superiority ;)
- Paul Buchheit
This is really true, for the first time i installed linux on my computer, i stucked at some point and it made me crazy, and i accidentally found that site which defined the situation i was in :D
- Harun Baris Bulut
I think this applies to most any open-source project. I think the difference here is that it is frequently the programmers who are responding, whereas commercial software projects frequently have a help desk, whose job it is to answer questions. Programmers don't want to spend their time telling people how to use their software when they already spent a bunch of time writing up manuals.
- Robert Felty
"Free time projects? Programmers? Manuals?" Can they be in the same paragraph? ;)
- Jemm
Man pages are a reference manual, not a tutorial, but a minute with Google will answer the question. (http://google.com/search... has pretty good results.) There are resources which are neither man pages nor other people. A lot of people seem to be very resistant to doing any kind of self-help; all I can think of to help them are peer to peer networks.
- ⓞnor
But also, I am pretty much 100% positive that a politely worded question asking for pointers to how you do this - and explaining that they had tried to look at man pages but become confused, with bonus points for describing where they had been confused - would get good results. The "RTFM dummy" brushoffs tend to happen to quick, vaguely worded, rude questions.
- ⓞnor
@e3r: I agree and will add that similar responses to dumb questions are not limited to Linux communities
- Cozy geta
haha: "Start the sentence with "Linux is gay because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems."
- Jess Lee
Jess, Linux is too boring to be gay. Gays have style. ;-)
- Sprague D
One can get proper answers to Linux-related questions simply by finding the right community. A strictly moderated community that looks down on the "RTFM noob" class of response ought to be a good place to start.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I switched to Ubuntu and can totally relate. What many would-be helpers don't get is that what they think answered the question may as well be written in Greek for as much sense as much of it makes to us non and quasi-geeks. It is not that we won't try self-help - it is that there is too much we don't know for a lot of the documentation to be of any assistance to us.
- Internet Strategist
If you think man pages are only reference, you have never typed "man perl". Some of them even have "tutorial" in the name of the man page.
- Andy Bakun
Best quote: 'I can realize the thread will be fruitless in that it was read as "should we implement feature A, B, or both?" And the answer to that: both, always'. This reminds me of a quote attributed to Ken Olsen of DEC (paraphrased): 'The best thing we ever did was listen to our customers. The worst thing we did was to do what they asked us to'.
- Joel Webber