Does the question mark at the end of that comment mean that you're questioning the idea? :)
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Yes... I am hoping that someone will tell me how wrong I am and the how ppl who are the hanging out at crowded bars where they can't hear each other are the ones with no lives :))
- Bindu Reddy
Speaking only for myself, I'm at home with my family. Wife just finished daughter's hair. Son and I are watching "Lock 'n Load". I'm just glad to be home. I've been away from them all week. :)
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
I've got a sick dog who needs me around tonight. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
- Sarah June
I'm hanging out at home on Friday night because I've got kids! Any questions? Actually we just got back from dinner and walking around in down town Los Gatos, including a trip to the Apple Store ;-) Now it's almost time for the kiddies to go to bed.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Louis Gray - more of a question... well my excuse for hanging out here is that technically I am supposed to be working real hard... Clearly I am goofing off on FF
- Bindu Reddy
if your asking that kind of question here on a Friday .,, arent you been abit hypocritcal
- johnpiercy
Oh, me too, Bindu. I am clearly not NaNowrimoing
- WorldofHiglet
@MiniMage that is hilarious :)) @johnpiercy I don't get the hypocritical reference..
- Bindu Reddy
I'm making ART out of my non-life, so there! :P lol about the bar comment, Bindu
- Kamilah Gill
Friday night is usually date night but I had to work late unexpectedly. So now wifey is asleep and I'm on FF. Kind of a bummer but I'm in a mellow mood so Friday night FF is just fine for me.
- Got Love For DB™?
I'd rather go to a bar on Monday or Tuesday. I get better service, room to move, and I can hear myself speak.
- Ian May
I actually am in a bar looking for the next long-term 6 hour relationship of my life.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
I'd just rather go out when the mood takes me, and not because it's a specific night
- Ian May
You could say that, yeah. Although I went out tonight and got too distracted on the road, so I'm thinking I'm better off being indoors.
- Helen Sventitsky
I'm with Ian. Crowds suck and you get much better service when the bars and restaurants are not busy.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Ummm. maybe I am just super impatient but do the invites take a while to process :P?
- Luke Wilson
Luke - Experience from the last round was 1-3 days .... We'll see this time. Mark ... on the way .... 7 left ... Google's definitely getting one of my famous invoices ... they won't pay it ... but they're getting one.
- Charlie Anzman
help a brother out ;) phattpharm@gmail.com
- Kevin Kruger
Done Kevin .... 5 left. I'll hang-out another few minutes to see if we can wipe them out (and wave at each other later or something .... )
- Charlie Anzman
I don't have one (abouey at gmail), but may i ask for someone else; I know my son would appreciate one even more than me, jnorris at gmail (ff co-founder).
- Anne Bouey
Jnorris is a ff co-founder?? Hmmm .... Sent it anyway Anne.
- Charlie Anzman
I got a ton more as well....will post soon. If gWave will cooperate.
- Maxamad
Please send me an invite: brian.clanton@gmail.com
- Brian Clanton
If anyone has any Wave invites left please send me one palmerm10 (at) comcast.net
- Matthew Palmer
Guess it's taking a little longer than usual to 'lick stamps'. Not seeing you guys yet .... hang in there! FYI - Ran out totally after fatix54. Have fun!
- Charlie Anzman
Yep seems things are taking a while as nothing here yet :)
- Russ G
Russ - First batch I got were received in 1-2 days. Still not seeing anyone here yet Russ ... We'll see what the deal is this week I guess?!
- Charlie Anzman
Yup still no invite. I guess the are rolling them out in time ..... :)
- alfred westerveld
Yeah. haven't gotten mine yet either. But it hasn't quite been 3 days, so I haven't quite given up hope yet :D.
- Luke Wilson
Would love one if possible! Thanks a lot - danielpate@gmail.com
- Daniel Pate
Charlie, Thank you! Just got it over here!!!! ;)
- Omaita
Daniel - Ran out after fatix54 above..... If Google sends a refill, I'll re-post here. Just glad to see the others are finally being received.
- Charlie Anzman
None of my business poll: Did you have a *real job before you were 18? What was it? Did you like it? Did you get paid more than minimum wage? *meaning you had to report income tax (or, rather, your parents did).
No. Babysitting and berry picking were my income sources. Well, wait, I may have started my PT receptionist job a the Real Estate office before I turned 18. Soooooo long ago...
- vicster
I had a job programming a database in dBaseIV the summer of my junior year in high school. I got paid like $0.25/hr more than minimum wage. It was a good experience because it was my first real programming job and basically set the tone for the rest of my career. I was invited to come back the next summer and redo everything I'd done in FoxPro 3.5 for Windows (and got an extra $1/hr).
- Her Lindsay-ness
Yes. I started working a month after my 16th birthday. I worked at a daycare center, which was good because I got to have my sister with me there; otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get a job. I only made minimum wage, which at the atime was $3.25 I think? Hard to remember.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Yes, no, yes, until minimum wage was raised (so not much more than minimum).
- Alix Whitmire
No. My first real job was after my senior year in high school working in the textbook warehouse for the Board of Education
- Alan Simpson
I worked for the Arlington County Public Library for a period while I was in high school, but I don't think the income was significant enough to be reportable by anyone.
- John E. Bredehoft
Yes...several...they were ok...Paper boy, bicycle mechanic, fast food worker, network wiring guy, Air Force grunt...Yes, I got paid more than minimum wage and had to do tax returns.
- Alex Scoble
Burger Flipper at Hardee's, making $0.05 over the minimum. Good times.
- The Letter M
If you can call Gamestop a real job. I got it when I was 17. I did like it in the beginning but after about a year got tired of it because of the pay and lack of hours, so then I went to Best Buy. Made minimum in the beginning ($5.15 at the time) and got a $0.10 raise after the first of the year. I still filed taxes however and got back a nice amount of money.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
If you call library page (person who puts away books) a real job, I think I did that when I was 16 or 17. I think I got paid minimum wage (can't fully remember). I don't remember filing taxes.
- Kamilah Gill
Yes. At 12 I cleaned the churches windows and helped with janitorial duties. This was a real job as I has to file a tax return and got a little over minimum wage. At 15 I was hired by the school district to help with the computers on campus then also hired to work in the schools theatre where my brother and I ran it for the years we over laped. I continued in the school district after...
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- CW™
I made a little over minimum wage for a couple of years working for the NJ State DMV. I worked part time after school Mon-Fri during my freshman and sophomore years of HS. I kinda remember filling out the EZ form... I think. I did not like the job but the people I worked with were okay.
- Jim Hearts FF
Yes, I worked for a summer at Knott's Berry Farm. I served food at one of the little eateries inside the park in Ghost Town. It was minimum wage and fun then but as an adult now, looking back, there were some MAJOR issues ranging from inappropriate male conduct (getting girls into the freezer to kiss them, smacking them on the asses) to theft and an overall lack of care for the employees. We were kids being managed by kids.
- Katie: Witch Of The West
Waffle House, I did earn more than minimum wage with tips and yes, I filed taxes.
- Heather Solos
I worked, but nothing that would have supported me as an independent entity. And part of that is because when you're that age people refuse to pay you the same for a job that they would pay an adult to do it.
- Spidra Webster
I've had real jobs since I was 14, complete with paycheck. First one was at local drycleaners. McDonalds, assistant to a ferrier and a couple of modeling gigs all before I was 18. I loved them all, it taught me independence and discipline.
- jcunwired
Would love to hear more about the ferrier's asst job!
- Spidra Webster
Hah! Spelling booboo, that should have been "farrier". The job rocked. Not only did we trim and shoe horses' hooves, but provided all sorts of veterinary services to local farmers. My boss and his brother, two beer-swilling ex-rodeo stars, were great.
- jcunwired
I worked a commission sales job from 16-18. I got paid $11.75 and a % of my sales. I'm also pretty sure the company violated some teen labor laws in terms of hours per day/hours per week...but I didn't complain because it was a lot of $.
- Alexis Hope
Barely, only by a month. Desk staff at the dorm I was in. Minimum and had to file taxes.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Yep. I started working at 14 as a cashier at a hamburger stand in Yosemite. At the time, California had some sort of modified work permit for 14 year olds. The grill was off-limits! Minimum wage then and the same for the next three jobs up until I was 17. Then I started working for salary plus commission in a telemarketing job selling gift baskets for The House of Almonds.
- Christopher Harley
Twelve, paper route. I lasted a week. After that, 17 and working at Shell Oil's geology offices, looking for oil. Other than meeting a very pretty girl who put up with my epic swooning around her, did not like. I made one dollar above minimum wage in that job.
- Steven Perez
I had an agricultural job when I was very young (picking strawberries), and a paper route after that. When I turned 16 I started working full time.
- Sparky, a big deal
I worked part-time in the computer center at a local bank when I was 16. I worked there for two years, then I worked at another bank computer center through college. I also worked part-time in an on-campus computer lab while I was in college.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
My first job was working as a security guard during public skating at the local rink. it did not pay more than minimum wage.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Age 8-16: My sister and I were members of the Screen Extras Guild. Once every couple months we'd get a phone call from our agent and spend one or two days on the set of a TV show or movie, complete with a studio teacher to make sure we did busywork in the classroom trailer. They paid the same for kids and adults, which meant about $120 a day! Our credits include 'Scarecrow & Mrs. King', 'Emerald Point N.A.S.', 'The Bad Seed (TV)', 'Explorers' and 'Airwolf'.
- Kevin Fox
Camp counselor between high school and college. I turned 18 at the end of the summer. I made enough to buy a pair of dressy shoes, some clothes, and a purse, I think. (ETA: my Social Security report says I made $177 for 3 months' work, but then it was 1963).
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I worked at Discovery Zone (a giant kids playground) and an optometric group while under 18. I liked both of them but the optometric group much more (stayed there for 11 years). The job at DZ I was paid $0.25 more than minimum wage and the optometric group started at $0.50 more than minimum wage
- Tamara
I worked as a groom / stablehand at a thoroughbred farm every summer and every weekend from my sophomore through senior year in high-school. I was paid more than minimum wage, but not sure how much more. It was a good job that kept me active, fit and better paid than most of the kids I went to school with. However, it was outdoors (Florida summers are killer) and I definitely did not smell the best afterwards. Kept me humble though...
- JA Castillo
I worked as a dish hand at a French restaurant and a Shell service station
- Johnny Worthington
Nope. My mom forbade me having a full time job in High School so I could focus on studies. The summer after HS I got a crappy part-time office assistant job, which I hated.
- veo
I worked as a page at the local library throughout high school. It was a great job. I think I got a bit more than minimum wage but the hours were flexible, the work was easy, and the people were really nice. Plus I got to check anything out I wanted for pretty much as long as I wanted. Most days I would finish all the work and just sit around and read
- Benjamin Golub
worked at the Beach House down in Mattituck the summer of 66 I will never forget it best summer of my life
- VAL D.
When I 16, a week after finishing my GCSEs, I did a week of work for the guy my brother worked for. When I mentioned money, he said: "Don't worry, I'll see you right." At the end of the week he paid me £50 for 40 hours work. I didn't work for him again!
- Timothy Griffin
I had my first job when I was 14, grounds keeping and maintenance during the summer at a vocational high school. It was on the books, minimum wage, transportation provided. Got the job through CETA. Didn't have to pay taxes because we were low income. (one of the qualifications to get the job) Half the kids that were working there were unpaid, juvenile delinquents, doing community service.
- April Russo (app103)
I started work at a rollerskating rink on my 15th birthday. I was a Centre Assistant. Taking money at the door, handing out and putting away skates, working the snack bar, teaching, hosting birthday parties, cleaning, making people stop making out (bwahahahaha!), etc etc. We don't have minimum wage here, we have award wages, and if you're under 18 you don't have to fill in a tax return unless you earn over $6000 in the financial year.
- Mellissa Jane
Starting at 16 I had a summer jobs with Green Giant driving tractors as part of a pea-harvesting crew. I didn't eat peas for *years* after that. The pay was well over minimum wage, pretty decent for a summer job.
- Fred Yankowski
Do you mean a full time job? Because I got my part time job at oles when I was 15-and-a-half and filled in my first ever tax return this July and got a $51 refund.
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
I worked for my parents starting when I was about 12 or 13 (they had a print shop). Then, I started working as a security guard at the Nissan Pavilion (a local amphitheatre) when it opened. I think I was 15 at the time. I also worked full-time the summer before I graduated high school (I was 16 at the time) and part-time during school. I continued at that job off and on for about 12 years.
- Curtiss Grymala
Weekend engineer at a Long Island, NY radio station. Cool 1st job (17). Automation system was a huge wall of reel-to-reel tape machines. Old? Me? Naaah.
- Charlie Anzman
Nope, got first job at 18, outbound call calls for surveys, and warm calls for taste tests (@$50/pop!!)
- Tsali, The Native of FF
At 17 I worked in the kitchen at a mid-range priced restaurant, where I was a forno chef ~ we cooked pizzas, amongst other things) in a wood burning oven/kiln thing.
- sofarsoShawn
I picked raspberries for my aunt during the summer at 10. Then for my dad in the strawberry fields during the summers 11-13. Then everyday doing computer stuff until 16. Then data entry until I graduated.
- Rodfather
from Android
Sometimes I feel I should have been a farmer. My cousin took over
- Rodfather
from Android
I bagged groceries every weekend starting at 12 for a year. It was for tips.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
I started a programming business doing reporting for medical offices. That was when I was 17. Before that, I worked minimum wage jobs (Howard's Grocery Store and Wendy's).
- Jason Huebel
Yep. Started working at age 12. Had a W-2 ever since.
- SAM
I was working weekends at a gas station/discount store (it was the 70's, when we actually PUMPED the gas and washed your windows!) During the week I did a work study job at college 40 miles away... the good news was that I got to study at a dormitory reception desk, and after 2 AM I could sleep in the lobby in a sleeping bag and let the female residents into the dorm when they rang a...
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- Mark Jepsen
The summer I was 16 I played the bagpipes at Edinburgh Castle in the Edinburgh Military Tattoo and was paid a musician's honourarium (plus room, board and transport). The following summer, I taught bagpipes at an Army Camp for pretty good cash (again, with room and board). yes, it was more than minimum wage and, yes, my parents claimed my income. :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I've been working since I was like 14. I had to get a permit. I began at Wendy's literally flipping burgers. Min wage was like 4.75 or so and that's what I was making.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
oh, hell... forgot about my 5-month stint at Mother's Pizzeria and 4-month stint at Burger King... lol
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I worked at a computer repair / sales shop for a summer when I was 16. I worked 40 hours per week and I made 11% more than minimum wage. I liked it pretty well - it was neat being fairly good at a job I had no formal training for.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I was an estimator at a paving company. I took blueprints of a job site, traced contour lines into a computer, then calculated the volume of different materials we would need to do the job. Paid $9.25 an hour, in 1999. Had my own office, a computer, and a plotter (a printer big enough to print blueprints). It was awesome.
- Alex Scrivener
Before 18 I worked as a grocery store cashier, a receptionist at a tax prep office, and a retail sales clerk at The Children's Place. Edit: all of these at or near minimum wage.
- Ladybug Heather
Yes. I worked in retail for a while. There was no minimum wage then.
- Ian May
I fried chicken in a grocery store for a while and worked as a hotel housekeeper during the summer.
- tab thinks you're awesome
Yep, I was a waitress from ages 16-18 (Bob's Big Boy - yikes) and I worked the third shift in a factory one summer. I did file taxes, but I'm not sure how much of my tips I reported. :)
- Cassandra
Nope, first job I had was after leaving college - games tester - and I've gone all the way back to the start after 15 years. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yup, had several real jobs before I turned 18, the most notable being a cashier at Burger King (min wage $4.25) when I was 16 and then manager of a hot dog ($6.00/hr) stand when I was 17. All of my jobs required income tax reporting; I loved filing my taxes, BTW. Not sure why, but ever since that first 1040EZ at 14, I was hooked. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
First job of any kind was a paper route at the age of 13. I soon quit that, because I've always hated early mornings, and I got a job after school at a greengrocers. I had a bike with a big basket on to ride around the neighborhood delivering the orders. I always earned my tips that wages. Never had to file taxes in England with only one job in any case, but that was cash in hand anyways, NO minimum wage then, and doesn't apply to under sixteens even now as far as I am aware.
- Ian May
Anthony is honored to have just met - and exchanged courtesies with - the President of the United States. And that was, as the kids say, pretty effin’ cool.
you promised us you'd say some dramatic line to him, did ya panic and go with "wussup?"
- Steve C
@Steve: actually no, I cried like a little girl and peed myself, as is my longstanding personal tradition whenever meeting current or former Heads of State. It's simply good protocol; they seem to love it...
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Somehow I believe you, Anthony but still - pics or it didn't happen!
- WorldofHiglet
@WoH: "somehow?" ha, gee thanks! There are no pics of this one, I'm afraid (although there are almost surely pool pics of me at the ropeline early in the night) and believe me it bugs me more than the rest o' yaz. Hopefully @ the next one I get a proper photo op.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
@ahsan: dinner at the Beverly Hilton last night. (sorry, overlooked your q.)
- Anthony Citrano
:) You LA folk have personal photographers documenting your every move don't you?!? Don't tell me that not true because I saw it on the tv....Anyway, it must have been a very special moment. I hope you didn't cry and pee too much o_O
- WorldofHiglet
Cooler than that Best of Day thread about jock itch?
- Matthew DeVries
@charlie: about my personal moment (A: right here), or about the President coming to LA? (A: just about anywhere; pick your media poison.)
- Anthony Citrano
SO, can you tell us a little more about other than the wetting/crying?
- WorldofHiglet
Even though I can't stand Obama, I have to admit, your getting to meet the president is pretty cool.
- Joey Gibson
@WoH - I don't think I'll get into the blow-by-blow here (there's absolutely nothing of substance anyway.) However, I will almost surely draw on the experience for a future article.
- Anthony Citrano
Well I hope you do deign to share some little details with us sometime. When you can be bothered. In other news, did you see the new YouTube video from the WhiteHouseTV entitled "OMG!!!!! I met Anthony Citrano!!!!! For REALS!!!!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I hear it's going viral....
- WorldofHiglet
WoH: don't make fun o' me! we've already determined I cry easily. ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Ooopsie - my bad. I forgot you were such a delicate little flower :)
- WorldofHiglet
If you shook his hand, you have been changed. : )
- Phil Boiarski
@Phil - I did twice. Should I not have showered? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Happy Birthday, Kol! Thirty three was a pretty good year for me and I have a feeling you're going to LOVE It :) Best wishes, congrats and go celebrate!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Thank you v much, Dee. Hope you're well?
- Kol Tregaskes
Many Happy returns, Kol. 33? Oh yes, It was back there somewhere. Not a memorable one, but left to my own devices I don't bother about my birthday.
- Ian May
Happiest of Birthdays..................33 years old ...........boy both my kids are older thinking as I type this I am getting older by the minute.......................
- VAL D.
Just got a call from an IT recruiter. Call me crazy, but I've decided to be as upfront and honest with them as possible - Recruiter "How are you at HTML and CSS?" Me "I can get the job done, but I'm not going to be the fastest and probably not the best." Last thing I want is to fudge my way into a job and fail miserably at it as a result.
My checking account might not agree with it, but oh wells... I did mention to him that I'm spot on a spec gathering and user training, so who knows, maybe he'll find something.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
If you know what you are not good at, it makes it easier to determine what you are good at, so a better match is possible. I once went on an interview for a PeopleSoft consulting job. Turned out they were looking for a DBA, not a business analyst/trainer/implementer. That's when I started being bluntly honest. Actually walked out of two interviews.
- Rene Wirtz
"Sounds like you're management material."
- Cristo
Now if only hiring managers the HR folks could create job listings that don't inflate the level of expertise required for the positions they're trying to fill...
- Ken Sheppardson
At this point I see deflating compensation as an unavoidable side effect of the current job market. But hell, expecting to get a degreed, certified, 7-10 year experienced tech genius for $12 an hour stateside is absurd regardless of where in the US you are.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I remember back when the web was young (mid 90s) seeing adverts looking for people with 5+ years experience in web development and wondering what the HR guys were smoking that day.
- Eoghann Irving
Is there a way to assert what you have accomplished with HTML and CSS, w/o comparing to the fastest or best?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I'm sure there is. Thing is, coding is something I can do, not necessarily something I *want* to do. I don't enjoy it enough to want to take a job doing it and I'm not good enough at it to truly serve a company's needs for it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Some of those recruiters are a little ruthless (of course, not all). Tread carefully before driving 50 miles T
- Charlie Anzman
+++Ken Tina have you kept an ePortfolio of your work? That will help. I agree with your response: be honest and at the right moment tactfully bring up the discrepancy of the economy and the pay as an advantage to the company. I would rather hire a loyal dependable employee I can train and would accept a slower pace from than all the talent with an attitude.
- Melanie Reed
Not really, Melanie, because I don't really do a lot with actual design. I've done way more reverse engineering in order to maintain sites and software that was already in existance. It's definitely a skill, but a hard skill to exhibit.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
By "reverse engineering" Am I understanding correctly that you have planning and analysis skills? Do you have hard UML skills? Can you create Use Case Scenarios for site planning, architecture, and upgrade? It sounds like you already do some of that. If you had an ePortfolio you could demonstrate that with B/A scrnshts. And Business proposals for site upgrades using UML
- Melanie Reed
I'm all for honesty. I got my current job by interviewing for a different position in the company, finding out more about it and telling the hiring manager that I probably wasn't the candidate best suited to the job. About an hour later he called me back to arrange an interview with a different hiring manager for a different position. -- Can you provide case studies of business improvements from reverse engineering...this project saved the company $x and increased sales by x%?
- Sally Robinson
Melanie, I'm trying to think of the best way to describe my last job and failing miserably. Long story short it was a small company that had some big clients, way bigger than our resources would indicate. If it needed to be done I found a way to get it done, whether that was hardware upgrades, server admin, server migrations, planning/spec'ing/designing software enhancements, data...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
+++Sally yes quantifying that with value to the company in terms of money saved/made
- Melanie Reed
Tina, that's a helpful break down. As you are talking with us you are getting the terminology to use. Do ask your older employer what he/she feels you did in helping the company with your skills. Ask them if they wouldn't mind giving you a number for your resume. They can only tell you no. :) They would have to be pretty hard-hearted to refuse you in this economy
- Melanie Reed
Tina, it sounds as if you are an IT "free safety" and that is a very valuable skillset to have. You have the capability of wearing a number of "hats" it appears. You have crossover skills and are a quick study when it comes to existing applications.
- Melanie Reed
That sounds about right. Like I said, it's very useful when needed but hard to communicate on paper. Combine that with the fact that the job before last was customer service training and you get a veritable jane of all trades. Again, hard to communicate on paper.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Often, your cover letter or personal connections are a better introduction than your c.v. itself. Have you thought of going on informal interviews at places you might like to work? Don't forget that you're interviewing potential employers as much as they interview you.
- Sally Robinson
That's where the job market is biting me in the butt, Sally. We're cruising at about 11-12% unemployment right now, no one is doing informal anythings right now. If they were they'd be flooded with people.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I know. I don't envy anyone in your position. I used to think that everyone's mantra should be "why can't we all just get along?" I'm thinking I should change that to "why can't we all just get a job?"
- Sally Robinson
I relocated. Is that an option for you? (easier said than done, I know)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Not really T.Brent. I won't say 'no' flat out because I will do stupid things for stupid money, but it's 99% out of the question: we own a house here, my husband has a job, our families are here.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's funny, I joined friendfeed just to connect further with my brother...I got that for a time, but in a larger sense I connected with a community and discovered so many interesting people and so many noteworthy stories. Despite what I've written before, to Paul Bucheit and the rest of the friendfeed team, I will forever be grateful for the...
Amen, Alex. I have come to know more people through FF than I ever could have imagined. It may not be as geeky as it was when I first joined, but the community has grown & improved. Kudos to all of you (devs & users) for giving me that. :)
- JA Castillo
You are my favorite Scoble by far! (Sorry, Robert) ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Hmmm.. sounds like the speech that is said before the music is queued up and the lovely ladies come from stage right to escort you off. But Then again.. thanks are not said enough in life so say it often. ;)
- CW™
Onwards and upwards Joey =) Maybe me, you, Jorge, and the other unemployed FFers should work on a plan for world domination or something.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm sorry, Joey. What kind of work did you do for Expedia?
- Melanie Reed
In my most recent role, I was Global Advertising Platforms Manager. Mainly product/program management and general manager type work for the media group at Expedia. Internal tool and workflow software development, ad server implementation and customization, product and site integration, strategic planning for the group, etc. Prior to that, I managed the global Advertising Operations team.
- joey
Sorry to hear. I got laid off in March myself, took me until September to find a job. I think you'll have a quicker process :)
- LANjackal
It is definitely bittersweet, especially during the transition. I've invested a lot of myself into this team and its success and I care deeply about them, but I need to move on. I'm feeling pretty sad tonight, though.
- joey
Let yourself be sad. I went through a layoff this year too. It takes a few days to take it in and plan out your next move. You'll be ready to get out there again soon. Let us know what that is when you get ready to make that move.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Bad luck Joey. Try not to feel too down.
- Parvez Halim
Sorry you're feeling sad, joey. You have a lot to be proud of, though, and hopefully you can take away those good feelings. It's natural to feel upset. ((hugs)) [Oh - add me into the mix please Tina. I'm desperately looking for some freelance work. World domination sounds about right.]
- WorldofHiglet
Sorry to hear about the circumstances. It's too bad they are losing a talented person like you, also. Sending support!
- Holly Rae, FFer
Cristo, it does. In waves. Also a bit terrifying in this economy. And it's hard to see how projects that I've invested myself in heavily have been handed off in ways that I wouldn't have recommended. But you know, it's time for me to let it go.
- joey
Joey, don't feel too bad. At least you weren't laid off early in the year like I was or late last year like a lot of others I know. The economy hasn't fully recovered but the worst has passed. Timing is on your side :)
- LANjackal
from IM
Thanks, LAN. I'm glad you were able to find another job.
- joey
Joey - I can understand the mixed feelings, but you will do well no matter what.
- Katy S
Joey, a swirl of thoughts and feelings I'm sure. One time I resigned not having another job to go to immediately - in fact I hadn't even been looking - but I knew I needed to walk away, probably 6 months beforehand. That day a coworker I would soon never see again pointed me toward a startup company he had contact with and two weeks later I was employed at a new job. Never saw that one coming. Enough about me though. Deep breathes. Feel everything there is to feel. Move toward the new. :)
- Micah Wittman
Thank you, Micah. I looked into some things but decided that I needed to take some time for myself and decide what to do next. I am hoping I'll find myself in a similar situation as you found yourself once I have some much needed downtime :) Change is good, necessary, and inevitable.
- joey
Taking time sounds wonderful. I'm excited for you that you can be intentional as such. The only problem is, you might be tempted to FF more ;)
- Micah Wittman
Good luck, Joey! Walking away can be so hard, but it sounds like you need a change :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Micah, it was well-planned and prepared for, luckily. Maybe I'll have more interesting things to FF about. ;)
- joey
You must have many conflicting emotions right now. However, the possibilities are now endless!
- Mellissa Jane
You know we are rooting for you here Joey! Onward and upward, kicking ass all the way!
- Helen Sventitsky
I'm glad you were able to plan things so that you can take some time for yourself! Onward to the next great adventure in your life!
- vicster
It's good to take the time. Reflect and let yourself get quiet. You can hear things better. I'll being praying for blessing on your time.
- Melanie Reed
Thank you everyone, and thanks Melanie. I appreciate the prayers.
- joey
Next place will be lucky to get you. Enjoy your time away.
- Anne Bouey
So... you just gon' strip full time now, or what?
- nakachi
Joey, I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I don't quite understand what your last job involved... but it sounds like the world's yours. I'm looking forward to seeing where you direct your talents next... :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I just now saw this. It is teh suxxors. But also an opportunity! Chin up, kiddo! The world is your oyster.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Sorry to hear, Joey. I'm sure you'll find something else soon.
- Kol Tregaskes
Well that is not cool - hope you find another gig only cooler this time.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Do you plan to remain cute in your future endeavors?
- Matthew DeVries
So sorry. :( As the old saying goes, one door closing means another one will open up elsewhere.
- rowlikeagirl
OUCH so sorry to hear about this Joey... my heart goes out to you. You are smart, savvy and cute - you should have NO problem getting a BETTER job :)
- Susan Beebe
Oh my goodness!! So sorry to hear about this! :-( Sending blessings your way!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, it will be a good thing. I decided to resign and it's ultimately for the best; life transitions are just emotionally complex sometimes :)
- joey
Oh ok - I'm confident you will get through this victorious, smarter and stronger!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Sometimes hard decisions result in wonderful, positive, life changes!
- Bonnie Foster
Good luck to you in your new adventures, Joey, wherever they may lead you.
- Alex Scoble
Good luck to you Joey. Anyone should be honored to have you on their payroll, so look at it as an opportunity and an adventure.
- jcunwired
Best of luck Joey. Could be a silver lining ... Hopefully!
- Charlie Anzman
I got tired of trying to take a decent, respectable, trustworthy, don't-look-stupid profile pic for my employment sites. So I took a MySpace-y photo to say hi to FriendFeed instead. Hi!
Things I note in this picture: the "MySpace angle" makes my eyes look baggy. And it's time for a haircut, though perhaps I'll cheap out and just have someone gimme some bangs.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
What's wrong with your Friendfeed picture? The seriousness gives a touch of personality.
- Jordi Soler
you have a very sexy and intense look to you. Your eyes are way intense-in a very good way....
- Morgan Haley
I'm not trying to replace my FF profile pic, Jordi. I'm trying to get a decent new pic for my 'official' profiles used in my job search. Right now they have the default goofy face (which is better than most of the shots I took, trust me!).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Morgan, that's my "I DARE YOU to ask me to sell insurance!!!" look. Well, almost: I'm missing the snarl.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
For official profiles try one with glasses on (fake glasses if you don't use 'em). The sexy-dirty-secretary look is a winner!
- Jordi Soler
LOL! Jordi, that was the problem with the pics I took: I had my glasses on and either kept getting reflections in the lenses or inadvertantly crossing that dirty secretary look. Not what I wanted!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i wouldn't dare try to sell you insurance....no way....but a rice cooker? Hmmm, maybe I'll try...
- Morgan Haley
The proper profile pic is important! The pic on my LinkedIn page is NOTHING like any of my other profile pics. I think you did a great job.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'm still without the proper profile pic, Tutivillus. This was me giving up and taking a shot for FF since the profile shots all made me look like a doofus. I are not a doofus! Wait...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
this is way too awesome to be myspace-y.
- Jim Hearts FF
Tina, if you can get your hands on a polarized filter for you camera, that'll solve your reflection problem with your glasses.
- Jason Huebel
I'd say that's like 4 on the richter scale of MySpacey photos :)
- anna sauce
I know, Jason, but the polarizing filter I have isn't for the camera I have. If I had a job I'd buy a new one, but then I wouldn't need the filter to take the picture if I had a job. Catch 22s suck...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I still don't have a pic on LinkedIn. Tina, I'm no photographer, but I bet if you had a little fill light you could de-emphasize the bags under the eyes. (I notice this with myself, because I am incredibly vain. And have giant bags under my eyes, even if I have enough sleep, etc etc)
- Andrew C
I'd say raise up your chin a tad, sit up straight, and place the camera on a pile of books with a liht source- lamp, etc. eye level and off to the side. It would lessen the bags and make it a little less MySpacey, also think of something funny and don't worry about averting your eyes. This is really done best by someone else- it's *so hard* to take a good self-portrait.
- anna sauce
OT, but how come FB doesn't have a portrait "style" like Myspace does?
- Andrew C
Andrew- it does, it's called "me and my kids" or "just my kids" or "me in foriegn country" or "me with a girl/boy cut out because we broke up" lol
- anna sauce
The picture I use practically everywhere is from my brother's wedding reception. I cropped out the Black and Tan beer I was drinking. That wouldn't be very professional. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Wow, that's uncanny. You and I share no friends on FB AFAIK and yet you just described most of them.
- Andrew C
Just to clarify: this isn't one of my profile photo attempts. This is a cell pic taken with no light other than what's coming in a dirty window. Sad part is I wound up looking way less douchey in this than in my the actual attempts =P I think the profile photo will be tomorrow morning's challenge: take advantage of the morning light since I won't have to be at a farce of a job interview.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
srsly. this should be re-posted to the 'beautiful women' group. :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
So what were you coding at the time you took this pic? In BASIC, you say? How very relevant!
- WorldofHiglet
In fact, I was attempting to hone my photography skills, as a portion of my research on the state of the unemployed in today's economy. Very deep stuff...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I look forward to your white paper in due course.
- WorldofHiglet
Random Passerby in the Cube Farm: WHO'S THAT; Me: That's my friend Tina, now go away; RPITCB (drooling): SHE'S PURRRRTY; Me: GO AWAY
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
We all know you rock Tina .... Can't understand why you haven't be 'scooped up' yet ..... Keep pluggin' !
- Charlie Anzman
Barry, that's freakin' hilarious! Tell them that if they stare too long I'll eat their soul or something equally weird and see what they do!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
very neat, intelligent glamor look site! ... too bad it's married - to Faith Bough. ..why can't ff have profiles just as mySpace, or ..similar big social sites ? has the development stopped again? ,
- Petr Buben
Wow, I just saw this today, sorry I'm late. I think it's a great pic for employment profiles. You've got an utterly beautiful face, Tina, and you certainly don't look like a douche in this pic. Good luck with everything!
- phil baumann
Hi Tina, don't know ya, but this is an ABSOFREAKINLUTELY great pic...those eyes, WOW!
- Samuel Ancira Jr
Out of the two, I always prefer sunset. I find it more humbling to know that another day has slipped out from underneath me, and it's a good reminder to make every day as full as possible.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I like the light of sunrise the best but most often see sunsets. I've also lived on both the east and west coast. Great for sunsets over the Pacific and sunrises over the Atlantic.
- Andrew Smith
With out view, we get a great view of the sunsets. We get the sunrise driving in to work :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Sunset. Sunrise is too early to wake up for and I'm not able to stay up for them any more either. Also, "Before Sunset" >> "Before Sunrise".
- Andrew C
I get to see both daily and I still can't make a decision. Every morning, I'm like, "Take that sunset!", then at night, I'm all, "Aw...you brought it!"
- Anika
this time of year....sunrise.....(not that I am up to see it)..........the sunset is too early now
- VAL D.
Nice speed Kevin! More than an OC-3 at Facebook. Wouldn't you like an OC-768? "OC-768 is a network line with transmission speeds of up to 39,813.12 Mbit/s (payload: 38,486.016 Mbit/s; overhead: 1,327.104 Mbit/s). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Infinera made a field trial demonstration data transmission on a live production network involving the service transmission of a 40...
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- Mitchell Tsai
T-x details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... DS1 tech details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... T1/DS1 is used for 24 phone lines (DS0). But the math on the bigger lines is weird. 28 DS1s = 1 DS3 (Go figure on why it's 28?) at 45 Mbit/s. "DS3 signals are rare except within buildings, because a T3 circuit can only go about 600 feet (180m) between repeaters." So above...
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- Mitchell Tsai
If you move the decimal point two places to the left, you'll have my speed:(
- Michael Fidler
I shant comment on another RS post...I loves my FF peeps...We rock
- Bill Heslin
MVB: seems that everyone here wants this, so this is what I'm going to post. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I have no problem with you not liking FriendFeed as a service or not getting anything out of it anymore. You had valid points about forums. What bothered me was the language and the tone of your initial post and screenshot that singled out and attacked the people of FriendFeed. You don't have to like the service or find it interesting but there are more respectful ways to communicate that...ways that don't personally offend the rest of the users and cause them to get defensive and angry.
- joey
joey: you're right. I was wrong. But I'm not getting fed here anymore and I didn't communicate that well.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry Robert, ever read the story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" ? Check it out.
- Maxamad
I guess it's like falling in love with a four-star Thai restaurant that slowly switches to some other kind of food.
- Robert Scoble
The worst part is that my "best of day" is dominated by people posting all the different reasons your post was wrong.
- Bruce Lewis
Mehmet: I've read it many times. So you're right. Fine. FriendFeed is awesome. Now what?
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: we're even thanks to that man-boob liking photo.
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, what kind of tech stuff are you looking for?
- Bruce Lewis
Josh: nah, yesterday's posts were bait. This is just me saying hi.
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: I've already found it, you don't need to find it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I still like you, Robert. We've had good conversations. Just... Perhaps you could have handled it a little differently, is all. Best of luck in whatever is next and I'll see you around the net.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
Bill: you are welcome to block me. Then you'll be alone without me.
- Robert Scoble
I was just answering Josh. I'm not baiting anybody myself.
- Bruce Lewis
The food's the same here, you just made a serious mistake by stiffing the wait staff. Face it Robert, you're a fast food kind of guy.
- jcunwired
jcunwired: I enjoy fast food as much as anyone but I do try to temper it with veggies.
- Robert Scoble
Not that there's anything wrong with that. If you need tech "news" you don't want to hang out on a site that's exactly the same kind of awesome it was two months ago.
- Bruce Lewis
Oh good lord, a blanket apology/explanation is plenty sufficient. He doesn't need to come to each of our houses and prostrate himself before us and beg our humblest forgiveness. We need to learn more from that Baboon that Benson played in the Lion King.
- Matthew DeVries
Bruce: I'm not going to fall for your bait. FriendFeed is awesome!
- Robert Scoble
Why is Scoble trying to kill Friendfeed?
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: why would I try to kill something so awesome?
- Robert Scoble
My "more wrong" blog post was (in tone) bait. My comments here are real.
- Bruce Lewis
I swear Robert you like to toy with people because they are so predictable : )
- Owen Greaves
Because he has the delusion that he can.
- jcunwired
Is this what it is going to come to? People ripping each other apart until there is no one left alive when the lights are turned off?
- Mathew™ one of a kind
jcunwired: I couldn't "make" FriendFeed despite pissing off thousands of people over on Twitter by constantly talking it up. I guess everyone forgets that. Same over on my blog. And I've shown FF to thousands of people during speaking engagements. But, no, all that work didn't help make FriendFeed hyper popular so, no, I don't live under any delusion that I can, then, get anyone to leave. FriendFeed is awesome and nothing I say can change that.
- Robert Scoble
At the Boston FriendFeed meetup I was the only one who found Robert Scoble through FriendFeed. Everybody else found FriendFeed through Robert Scoble.
- Bruce Lewis
I found you through FriendFeed and I'm grateful for that!
- Robert Scoble
you could say that that it's a sad sack of going nowhere, now that the team was acquired and told Steve Gillmor like 8 times in the last Gang that a bunch of the best features here were too much for the 300 million nuffnuffs that use Facebook.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
if you wanted to say something about FF not being awesome, that is.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall: oh, you were listening to the latest Gang. There was a LOT of news in that Gang and Steve and I were wondering if anyone would notice.
- Robert Scoble
it was hard to notice with the thick fog of PR bs. mostly seemed like bad news and non-news. would love to know what I missed :)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
i don't mean to be un-understanding, FB is a huge org with hundreds of millionso f users, billions of $ at stake. i'm sure i'd speak cautiously too
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall: yeah, if I were FriendFeed execs I would speak carefully as well. The transcript comes tomorrow, we'll dig through it and highlight anything really useful in the Gillmor Gang. There were a few things that clarified where they are going a bit.
- Robert Scoble
Transcript? FriendFeed execs? Did an interview happen with Bret, Jim, Paul, Sanjeev?
- Bruce Lewis
AJ: I don't have to do those tricks anymore. Look at all the comments!
- Robert Scoble
Never satisfied. Tell me how much you love FF every waking hour.
- Jason Hill
And, anyway, I understand everyone here knows at least 60 reasons why FriendFeed is awesome, no need to iterate through that list again.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: I miss it though! You're welcome any time. In other news, the world of the Internet is a fascinating place. I wouldn't be anywhere else.
- AJ Kohn
Always here. Like every time I long-on. Robert is infinitely connected. Is it happiness? ... a disease? ... or both?? :)
- Charlie Anzman
So confused... but don't care anymore. Can't we just go back to how it was before? Everyone posts/likes/doesn't do whatever they want.
- Jan Ole Peek
Louis, Robert probably already has a real picture like that somewhere.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, I want the transcript to your video
- Jesse Stay
I enjoy friendfeed sooo much!! I hope it doesn't go anywhere but gets optimized! Great site to make great connections and meet a bunch of awesome people!
- John Tastad
with flying colours (wait, how do colours take flight anyway?)
- Micah Wittman
can you ship yourself as a package, perhaps via UPS, Fedex, or US Postal Service? and can you check on your delivery via yPhoney convenietly packed with?
- Petr Buben
There is this gut feeling, that this is all a bit silly. Can't put my finger on it though.
- Henner Zeller
"I’m tickled pink to finally announce the project I’ve been hard at work on for weeks now: my new book, The Complete Guide to Google Wave, is now available to read and share for free at completewaveguide.com."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
Compare these two. FriendFeed has great pictures, but content that is, well, not interesting. Twitter, on right, has 6,000x better content but doesn't look as nice due to no pictures. Will Brizzly come to rescue?
- Robert Scoble
I hope somebody comes up with a fabulous client to maximize content and serve up more media
- Susan Beebe
And people wonder why I don't come here much anymore. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed used to be very heavy in tech discussions. Now it's rare I see a tech discussion on the "best of day" feed.
- Robert Scoble
The cap on the left is infinitely preferable to the right. I can't tell you how glad I am not to be inundated with tech stuff all day long. One man's trash...
- Jim Hearts FF
try PowerTwitter ...also, which service has 6000x more users? doesn't that affect content choices?
- .LAG liked that
I keep looking for the comments link on Brizzly.
- Tom Landini
PowerTwitter is a great add to the twitter website (Firefox add-on)
- Susan Beebe
There's more to talk about than just "tech", seriously...
- Rob H.
Robert - Do you have any general news, world news Twitter lists/groups? I tried scrolling through you lists, but they all seem pretty tech-slanted. If Twitter is to replace Friendfeed and Google Reader, then we need to be able to get real news and information out of the thing.
- Matthew DeVries
The left is a best of day from your 28000 subscriptions. The right is a heavily curated list focused on something you are interested in. Try "best of" on a curated list (there is a link at the bottom of every list feed to best of for that feed).
- Benjamin Golub
agree totally with you Scoble, Bruce: adjusting wouldn't make a difference now
- ffcode
I know twitter is occupied with infrastructure and list improvements, but you would think they could be building brizzly-esque features pretty easily.
- Sean Montgomery
Sean - right. Twitter has to stablize their platform, then focus on UIX
- Susan Beebe
Matthew: I'm a geek. Other people are doing news lists. I might start one, though. You are the second person to ask for one.
- Robert Scoble
and there aren't tech discussions here one of the prime reasons are Scoble left and he is usually followed by around 10k folks everywhere, and his predictions affect all, weak or strong minded
- ffcode
I find it a fascinating observation: Twitter is better than FriendFeed because there's more tech discussions in my feed. Is that the criteria you use for judging other social media sites? Because, IMHO, social media is about connecting people, not about tech discussions.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
ffcode: sorry, I'm tracking the geek participation here and sorry, the really geeky stuff has definitely gone down.
- Robert Scoble
always wondered how your feed would look like but it is clear you are no different ;)
- ffcode
Robert - I come to you because you're the best list builder and analyzer of signal to noise.
- Matthew DeVries
Glen: sorry, where the geeks go generally the general public follows. Generally. And, anyway, compare this stuff to Facebook. Even there it's a loser, sorry. I watch my wife's feed all the time and compare it to FriendFeed and FriendFeed loses. She said "ew" when she saw my page here.
- Robert Scoble
only 2 likes on a celebrity picture(demi moore)? I guess people really did run away!
- PJ Edwards
Glen: by the way, I can make such a screen shot for a bunch of different genre's, not just tech. Twitter has far more diversity and has far more flow of all kinds. http://listorious.com 's huge first weekend demonstrates that.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: if you don't want just tech, check out http://listorious.com -- what list would you like? In one weekend Twitter got more diversity thanks to lists than FriendFeed did in 18 months. And no "ew" pictures.
- Robert Scoble
You still have to come here. It's mandatory
- Charlie Anzman
sad one of the best place is going down like this and it is going the way every other social network is "just for fun"....:(
- ffcode
Charlie: I do, but now you know why I don't show off FriendFeed at conferences anymore.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed's still here. Unfortunately when Scoble, FriendFeed's top user goes, so go the users.
- Jesse Stay
number of places on the twitter display where you could see an inline discussion: zero.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I follow Scoble, but I'm not going anywhere, Jesse.
- Jim Hearts FF
Either that, or this just means FriendFeed has gone mainstream, and is no longer just tech users any more ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Robert left Twitter for quite a while (well, not left, but just had it parroting his FF) and it didn't seem to hurt Twitter any. Robert can't make or break a service all by himself.
- Matthew DeVries
I guess I just don't get it. My Facebook connects me with friends I haven't seen in years and relatives I contact rarely. With Facebook, I can keep in touch far better than I ever have in my life. I learn about my cousin in the ICU with pneumonia, and my good friend in Indiana who just had a grandson. The whole format is not compatible with tech discussions; the length restrictions...
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- Glen Campbell, B.A.
@Cristo: +3000. @Robert: Change your subscriptions. You just haven't curated your worldview here as much lately. Things change, so must your prism.
- AJ Kohn
as usual, Robert's death of FF posts shoot up the charts. get it?
- Steve Gillmor
Matthew, see my second comment. I think some of it is that FriendFeed's userbase has changed as well. It's not the tech early adopters any more. I expect with Facebook's acquisition it will become more so that case.
- Jesse Stay
My point being this comparison doesn't mean much
- Jesse Stay
What is "geek" to you Robert? Because I've been seeing plenty of "geek" posts in the subscriptions and rooms I follow here on FriendFeed.
- Maxamad
Mehmet: geek is someone talking about technology or talking about building something or excited about using such. Do you see any geek in the friendfeed screen shot? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: is that the best example you got? All those items have no discussion!
- Robert Scoble
And like Tom's comment [keep looking for comments link on Brizzly] LOL!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
o.O Louis is pretty geeky. His kids already have Macbooks.
- Matthew DeVries
The most active discussions I've seen on FriendFeed lately are only when someone proclaims or laments its decline. Sad but true.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Robert, twitter=no conversation. I'll deal with the 'ew' pictures by simply using the 'hide' button, that's why it's there. You go your way, I'll go mine. It's all good.
- Jim Hearts FF
do anybody no why Scoble can't just leave us alone. Friendfeed is dying according to him, no need to make it a self fulfilling prophecy. The more you "high profile" users criticize FF the faster folks will leave it.
- Tendonitis' Bitch
Coding geeks communicate best with code. Neither twitter nor FriendFeed let you indent. So there's going to be more sharing and less conversation for coders.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert ,the best of the day are comments and likes on a post ,not content. all the contents from Twitter,blogs,Rss etc are here and its better to get them here or in public groups or in private , I am not sure that on Twitter ppl are acting ,they are just reading same as here
- Johni Fisher
agree with Steve Gillmor, users are here but they are doing things way different now than they used to when Scoble was around
- ffcode
agree more than 100% that "those" tech talks are just gone
- ffcode
You're comparing a hand crafted twitter list to friendfeed's user-generated best-of-day?
- Andy Bakun
Gunny, give the guy a break. He feels forced to be on twitter and misses the conversations on FriendFeed. Did you look at the right-hand picture from twitter? No conversation happening there at all. Zero. I can't imagine hanging out there all day.
- Bruce Lewis
Cristo: try seeing feed around those times when there when acquisition talks
- ffcode
Why can't there be a friendly friend feed and a tech friend feed? Is there no other use for the internet than to talk about the internet?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Tech and coding news is primarily what I look for in FriendFeed, and I find it. Conversation happens, as well as users bumping things up with likes. Subscriptions (friends and rooms) help filter tech content that I want to see. A like is sometimes as good as a comment.
- Maxamad
and Andy: you are yourself stating what Scoble has been saying all the way twitter is place where you can get your taste now not here anymore
- ffcode
Robert- regarding your early early comment- I find it refreshing that FF isn't about tech
- anna sauce
Does Plurk get this much attention about its inevitable death? Now there's a service that could really use the wake-up call.
- Mark Trapp
Robert never got infatuated with Plurk, Mark.
- Maxamad
Robert most of the change is in the place that you decided to open a subject and to post ,I remember 3 months ago your posts here were with tooons of comments and interest and from the day that you are posting your Twitter FAV here, there is not much action ,just think on that ,I like to read your Twitter FAV but I would better have them in a group and get yr posts like in the past
- Johni Fisher
Yeah, you're pretty geeky there when you have to search how to make screenshots
- KapitanObvious
To be honest, any social network with content governed by who you're subscribed to, and having image media in a feed is going to come up with something you don't like. This is because no one is on topic all the time, especially on Twitter. If you want sanitized feeds from *only* tech experts, geeks and what have you, these sort of services aren't going to cut it for you....
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- Mo Kargas
I sure like the interaction here, comments, community...this post shot over to Twitter, but there is nothing going on there about it.
- Eric Matas
@Eric Yes exactly, to me it looks like a glorified RSS stream from different sources, fundamentally a list of content and that's it. The topics Robert is after may not be present on FF, but the conversation is far more intuitive.
- Mo Kargas
"glorified RSS stream"...pretty much sums it up.
- Maxamad
Hey GUISE, we're forgetting that the list on the right will fail-whale often as twitter never seems to remember how to run their servers. As to the content on the left not being interesting, well...at least I know it's real people who aren't trying to get me to buy into some new brand or some interchangeable tech company that will just be bought by facebook one day and disappear. :)
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
I just can't wait for the day that Scoble ditches Twitter for the junk it is. Should give me a good laugh.
- Maxamad
Twitter has no "ew" pictures because it has no pictures. You can use the fftogo option that turns off media if you want no pictures.
- Bruce Lewis
For conversations, friendfeed wins. For tons of blabbers and links, twitter wins. But agreed, activity has gone down heavily on friendfeed. Twitter mania has caught everyone.
- Amit
One anecdote deserves another. I've posted on FF regularly for 1.5 years. I comment frequently on others' tech posts, but most of my own posts are not strictly tech-angled. This week I asked "FriendFeeders : NEED ADVISE: Best all-around value Netbook today - which one?" and it got 16 LIKES and 20 COMMENTS. The last time one of my posts hit/surpassed that threshold was early August http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Micah Wittman
One thing I noticed is no conversations. Just straight links to other sites. Kind of boring.
- Todd Hoff
BTW is it possible to stop getting the twitter updates from others on Friendfeed? Slowly I am seeing my friendfeed aggregating only the twitter updates.
- Amit
Yeah, you can Amit. Just click "hide" on a tweet you see in FF, and then choose to "hide other items like this one"...and go from there.
- Maxamad
Robert is just being Robert, always stirring things up! LOL, I really do ♥ you for it though.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Wait, you were all like ' I LOVE FF ' this summer. Singing your praises on the TWiT network and all that jazz. You're even more of a fair weather fan than Minnesotans with our sports teams.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
No hatin' on the Vikings here, they try hard :p
- Maxamad
Twins? Timberwolves? Wilds? Take your pick if the Vikings don't do it for yeh.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
You know what makes me laugh... People who use FriendFeed in other languages probably don't see this or any of the stuff Robert is interested in...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
BTW... Heaven forbid we actually have fun on a Sunday... Your lawn's that way
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
You're really going to show me Wall Street Journal on your Twitter feed and compare that to Friendfeed's personal interaction? You know better, Robert.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
One of the nice things about Friendfeed is the way you can hide a post like this and not see it ever again. It would be nice to have a way to filter posts from specific people if they contained certain words such as twitter, lists, dead, or friendfeed. :)
- SuezanneC Baskerville
""glorified RSS stream" - yeah, except my RSS feeds have been culled down to sources that add their own insightful commentary so it's not an endless stream of retweets of _all the same damn links repeated over and over_. That Twitter screenshot looks really information-light once the repeats are filtered out...
- Andrew C
The Friendfeed screenshot shows 222 total interactions in the first three entries. The twitter one shows 14 (and I'm counting the one at the bottom that is cut off). Oh wait, those aren't interactions, those are links to other places.
- Andy Bakun
I think Robert is just confusing the point of the site. The name is FRIEND Feed, not interesting feed, useful feed, news feed, etc. This is where I hang out with my friends.
- Internet's Tad
Robert, you're cool and everything, but sometimes the things you post make me think of you as an arrogant asshole. The beauty in friendfeed is that there are so many different flavors to sample from. There are plenty of sites to go to that are tech heavy if that is what you are looking for. Why bother here if it's not what you want? Move on and shut the fuck up about it. Jesus.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
For someone who doesn't like Friendfeed or thinks Friendfeed doesn't offer as much value as twitter, he sure does post here a lot.
- Andy Bakun
This is exactly the kind of post I don't want in my feed. Adjusting my subscriptions now. Sorry Robert, but I gotta block you on Friendfeed. See you on Twitter.
- Rodfather
Robert. You are stating the obvious: of course friendfeed is going to decline: there is no more engineering or innovation power behind it! The key question is: "is a friendfeed++ going to reborn as part of facebook and have a much more profound impact?". The jury is still out but knowing the quality of the team I would not bet against it.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I think this post is very rude to the posters in your screenshot, especially the second two. They are sharing themselves and their lives with us. If that doesn't interest you, unsubscribe or hide but to call them out and mock them as 'sad' is, well, sad. FriendFeed is full of people that I enjoy discussing all kinds of topics with, including technology, but they are more than just early...
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- joey
Thank you Joey. I find the screen shot to be particularly offensive considering the tenor of the post. Stop being a jerk Robert.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Holden: I have removed my Twitter favorites from FriendFeed because of your post and my Twitter account too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Scoble, you need to clean your Twitter DM's like stat.
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@Robert - Just because FriendFeed isn't 90% tech and personal branding posts doesn't mean it doesn't have value. You used to be such a big proponent of lists here and molding your subscriptions so they were full of info but not noise... now that you've neglected your pruning efforts and gone over to Twitter then your feed is full of more noise (to you) than info. It's not FriendFeed's...
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- Her Lindsay-ness
Her Lindsay-ness: sorry, so many geeks have left and there are just more interesting information (FOR ME), more interesting conversations (FOR ME), and I'm learning a lot more over on Twitter (ABOUT WHAT I WANT TO LEARN). FriendFeed HAS changed and that's OK! For you. Not for me. And, sorry, I looked at rejiggering my accounts here, but the info just isn't coming here and Twitter is...
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- Robert Scoble
Then go away. What the fuck. Why keep coming back here to make posts about how horrible it is. It just makes you look like more of an asshole than you intend to be I'm sure. Seriously. If you think there is no value in it, then it's kinda counter-productive to keep posting here, right? You act like the guy that graduated high school but keeps coming back hanging out at lunch and during pep rallies. It's a little bit creepy. What is it that you hope to gain by that?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I agree with Gunny. YOU caused the mass exedus from Friend Feed Robert, by announcing its demise. Let's see what would happen if instead of moaning about its lack of techy feeds, you began promoting it instead. Look on it as an FF experiment.
- Sandra Large
I like reading your stuff Rob but yeah --- if you're only going to come here to diss FF, perhaps you should just exit FF completely. Also, it's a FACT that Twitter is inferior to FriendFeed based on communication alone because look...here I am, discussing this topic and others can follow along w/o having to search through random comments and pages [they can even comment easily also! *gasp*!]. FF probably will die eventually, but Twitter was freakin' stillborn. Just a glorified RSS service...
- Scott Carmichael
Its all becoming a Robert Scoble 'self fullfilling prophecy' lately on here. You can't have a conversation on Twitter like this, twitter is a newsreel of headline news, that's all its good for, Friend Feed is as its name implies, a feed for friends to discuss anything under the sun, and not just about technical stuff.
- Sandra Large
I don't agree that a person who's become dissatisfied with a service should leave. I've often heard change should come from within. With that said, I'm not sure Robert is pushing for positive change. Can it occur? With Zuckerberg calling the shots, maybe not. Maybe he owns every idea that the FFounders will ever have for the next few yrs, keeping those changes for Zuck's baby. Maybe FF will improve, & maybe the techies who were drowned out on Twitter will find they can be seen & heard here. Who knows?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
You can't blame Robert for the fact that the FF guys sold out AND left the ship more or less rudderless. If they had bothered to figure out even a tiny bit of a PR strategy around the take-over, then things might not have gone downhill so fast, or at all. And, yes, you can filter out all of the emo stuff (nothing wrong with it BTW, but that can be had from your IRL friends on Facebook)...
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- Alex Schleber
Robert: accepting the accuracy of observations about the amount of interesting conversations from your perspective, there still remains a question regarding what could be the cause? while one theory may be a decline in friendfeed activity, another possibility is the decline in your own activity. what evidence can support one hypothesis over the other?
- Mike Chelen
methinks a service can go on without an ego? personally i pop back here every now and again for the occasional conversation. i'd prefer more intelligent discussions on here, not just tech related, maybe i'm not following enough people? eh.
- Terry O'Fee
+1,000 joey. "emo stuff" that can be "found on Facebook"? LOTS of arrogance on display here from several directions. Alex, I know that you're tempering your statement by saying that there's nothing wrong with "emo stuff", but that's still awfully dismissive. FF is more like a number of simple blogs because the whole world can access the posts. FB is a walled garden, and tends to be way more dumbed-down (except for when I look at the FF people I'm subscribed to in FB).
- Kamilah Gill
Congratulations, you score high on the douche-o-meter!
- Mark Wilson
Well if FriendFeed has nothing else going for it, I can at least read a deep exchange of ideas here as to why it's toast. Perhaps thats why I'm sticking. Btw, slightly off topic, but am I the only one finding Twitter list creation a complete chore compared to doing the same on FriendFeed?
- David Hall
I don't see the problem. My pecs dominate your feed. Who can complain about that?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Rahsheen, it's ok to let the one's own fun part of life intersect one's social media sphere http://friendfeed.com/tad... , but not when it's someone else and it can be used in the wrong context to misappropriate a point.
- Micah Wittman
It amazes me how people will continue to use a service just to complain about it. Just STFU and GTFO.
- Steve Lowe
Micah, I don't follow what you're saying...
- Kamilah Gill
Robert - Just make Twitter fix the 140 character limit thing already!
- Matthew DeVries
then it would be a blog or what a tumble log?
- ffcode
strange people resist so much even when they know this is it
- ffcode
Kamilah, fair point. I'll explain without sarcasm. Robert's shower photo was a bit of fun that is fine and doesn't represent the whole of his on- or off-line contribution. Andy's photoshopped photo of Rahsheen doesn't represent the whole of Andy's contribution (which is very much technical, btw) or by extension the community's many contributions through the friendfeed medium. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
- Micah Wittman
Robert, I am considered a "geek" by a number of people, but I don't need or want to talk about technology 24/7. I have other interests and I like to see where they connect. I want to see coalescence. I can't get disparate connections always watching or listening to the same track. Even Richard Feynman believed that...as do many others in other "geek" fields. When I was little I happened...
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- Melanie Reed
Robert, are you reading the tech related groups? If you read Best of you are going to get all sorts of stuff as you know. I have lists and saved searches for specific topics and browse them for the likes of tech. Best of it not the best place for tech only (well any single topic).
- Kol Tregaskes
I've come to the conclusion that all of Robert's posts must be read with one fact kept in mind. Even when he doesn't say it, his posts are based on the assumption that many/most people want and like what he wants.
- Eoghann Irving
Robert, why do you constantly feel the need to shake the death rattle? We are well aware that FF is dying and even more aware that you see it coming. If you really did care about the service you would try to reverse the trend instead of speeding it up.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Robert I joined FF when I saw you singing praises of it on Twitter and have been loving it ever since, you seem to have a lot of interesting stuff to say, and a lot of people follow you. But, you seriously need to stop coming to FriendFeed and doing everything in your considerable power to kill it, and then complain because you are successful in doing that. Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations.
- Ed Millard
@edmillard ..said the man who only imports one thing into FF, his Twitter account.. seriously though. Scoble can't kill FF because it's already dead, it just doesn't know it yet. And yes, I am still using it for a bit because it makes such a handy searchable archiving/surfacing tool, and for some aspects of the community. But the reality is that FF founder's sold out b/c they were lacking confidence that they could change FF sufficiently/quickly enough to sustain any real growth.
- Alex Schleber
So FriendFeed founders gave up and sold out to Zuckerberg more or less for the liquidation value, i.e. for their IP and continued highly-skilled/paid labor for FB. It's that simple. Thinking about it any other way is a fantasy. 5 Stages of Grief... And yes, it pains me to say it. Had high hopes for this platform. I wish they would have found a way to evolve FF where it would have continued to grow, I don't think they were very far off. It's like the gold-miners who gave up 10 ft from the mother lode.
- Alex Schleber
Alex you are mistaken, most of my recent posts are from FF and sometimes cross posted to Twitter if they are short and not FF specific. I didn't know the FF etiquette that twitter posts are shunned when I started. Most of my limited time here is spent in comments anyway, since I prefer the conversations to the megaphone.
- Ed Millard
@Ed "Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations." You basically summed up my blog post about this whole thing (http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...)...
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsey, same concept, yours was thorough, mine was short. I think part of being a geek is we opt for the superior tech, not the popular tech. FB and Twitter are popular but inferior for conversation. I had no interest in them until I found FF recently. Its a problem we geeks are letting Zuckerberg kill the superior tech here with his checkbook. I'm thinking we should launch an open friend feed like directeur is talking about, free of business conflicts. It is the geek thing to do but it would be hard.
- Ed Millard
One bad day does not mean it is bad for the whole year :)
- ashish
don't you ever get tired of hitting refresh every other minute?
- Giancarlo Caparo
LOL, let's see you sort though hundreds of reply of Twitter, shoot a video of that...
- Robert Higgins
ZING! I shared a lame joke a few minutes ago, Susan! http://ff.im/aTQG6 I don't feel really bad about it. That's true, many people know me as a developer, but I'm not only that. I'm a jazz/anime/languages... LOVER :)
- directeur
If only someone would have told Robert that his feed is his own creation and if he is unhappy there is only one place to look fir the reason. Oh, wait...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
seriously, talk about mis-matched comparisons. This general list is less focused than that built-for-a-purpose list? Well, no offense, but no shit, Sherlock.
- Chieze Okoye
http://twitter.com/niczak -- I tweet about the following: Programming, databases, parenting, living & enjoying life, and involvement in lots of local activities here in Northern Nevada.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
I have most of you (didn't have Valeria for some reason, but just added), mine is http://twitter.com/jungleg -- see you on the other side ;)
- Jorge Escobar
http://twitter.com/dennis_... (don't forget the underscore) What do I tweet about? Tech, fiction, art, music, politics, comics, and of course my fiction. Occasionally some Seattle or Bremerton related stuff. I also have TwitterFeed tweet my blogs, and I always tweet from Flickr.
- Dennis Jernberg
http://twitter.com/glenc but I have to warn you, I stopped following people on Twitter a while ago. I have about 300 subscription notices (unread) in my email.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
i post about film and television editing/post production, I'm a bit of a gadget nerd, and i like anything funny on the web. i love followers... http://twitter.com/toddzelin
- Todd Zelin
I'm sure you're all interesting but following 6,000 is my limit. ; )
- Liz
http://twitter.com/cgranier - I tweet about many things -usually tech-oriented, reply to everyone who @'s me, and have lately been posting a lot about #FreeMediaVE, bringing attention to the struggle against communism in Venezuela. Feel free to follow me. @ me for a quick follow back. No spammers please.
- Carlos Granier-Phelps
Thank you all. I hope at least some follow me back else I'll hit my follower limit soon. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://identi.ca/andyc Microblog about all sorts but mainly OMB and how much I dislike inferior legacy services. No names, no packdrill.
- Andy C
http://twitter.com/Felter i tweet about all, but i don't retweet my FF message. From twitter to FF only. if you follow me in FF, you can read my tweet.
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
You know, you could have just started feeding in your tweets here and achieved the same, right? Or would that have been too subtle?
- Mr. Gunn
http://twitter.com/glitterpoet Don't mean to offend but it's usually not religious. Porn, drinking,dancing, music,makeup....I still do healing work. I just don't talk about it much anymore.
- Gabrielle V
My twitter stream is the typical... random thought bubbles, food porn pics, and shared items relating to technology, politics, and $$$. http://twitter.com/sean808080 is where you find me. Oh and I like unicorns and fairy dust.
- sean808080
@fossilhuntress or fossilmaitress (I kept getting my email cracked and getting locked out hence the duplicate); all content, linked to digg, delicious... mostly science, paleo and random banter...
- Fossil Huntress
http://twitter.com/wangyip - mostly stuff from FF (tech, startups, web apps, sometimes things about math, medicine, fitness) - I've followed a few here on tech stuff (Edit: Thanks Kol for the thread)
- Wang Yip
http://twitter.com/eoghann... - I post sci-fi news (tv, movies, books or comics I'm probably a fan of it), some tech stuff and the occasional round of venting.
- Eoghann Irving