Argh. 8 days later, Stelr should be available in the app store within the next couple hours at its new price of $0.99. Existing users can upgrade for free.
Correct. You should be able to just go to AppStore on your phone, select Updates, and find it waiting for you.
- Aaron Brethorst
Yep, it was a simple update. Now to try the new app out a bit.
- Ken Gidley
I'm seeing some refresh problems. LIke if I click the filters at the top (Twitter, etc.), then go back to the 'All' view, I get no items at all. Refreshing nor 'Load More Items' work to restore the info - I have to exit the app and relaunch to see the data again. I also saw similar behavior after loading a few pages from a group, then switching to the picture view (which is great), then returning to the group window - no items were listed, couldn't get them to reload without restarting the app.
- Ken Gidley
I'd really like to see Leo Laporte do a talk-soup type show, that summarizes the best of all the TWiT network shows, doing clips, with banter in between by one of the producers who's putting it together. It could be called This Week At TWiT.
I generally don't like montage-type things like that, but it actually sounds kinda like an ingenious idea. I'd watch/listen to it, and I'm sure many, many, many others would too.
- Gus Cuddy
from BuddyFeed
I can't believe that this week of all weeks, not a damn one of you is willing to give Tina, who has given so much to you, her much deserved release! Shame! Blueballing the best of us......
- Matthew DeVries
I had a conversation just like this with my buddy Jason. The result was the following TWiTWiT podcast: http://bit.ly/75fBa [iTunes link] What do you think?
- Noah Wolfe
Need a geeky comedian to host this. I'd suggest MDV and Glen Campbell for this. Both of them are very funny and mildly geeky enough to pass it off.
- Uncle CW™
Anyone share this with Leo yet? Cause he always likes ideas about new shows. This would be easy to do to with a wrap up of shows that were done that week with a fresh face that wants to get into podcasts. Easy to do and fun. Did I mention easy to do?
- Uncle CW™
funny thing is, that this has been sitting in my inbox (inbox 1 if you will call it) since nov 4th... i'm glad we could finally get you some release Tina ;-P
- Chris Heath
oh and now i get to claim inbox zero!
- Chris Heath
Leo, if it's in the offing somewhere, you should grab the URL .tv for it. I bet it would quickly be the top search result when you type in that title!
- Matthew DeVries
I know you are hearing a ton of feature requests right now, but hey, the app is fantastic, and I bought it as soon as I heard it was out. Now, about those push notifications and Posterous support for video uploads... :)
- Andru Edwards
Push is already in Tweetie Andru. Check a user's profile page.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Yeah. I'm not gonna do that for each and every person I want push updates from. I just want push updates of any DM or @mention that I receive, rather than setting it up on a per-user basis. Unless I am missing this somewhere.
- Andru Edwards
Oh, found a really weird bug. If you click on a link that leads to the App Store in Tweetie, it gives you constant screen notifications, and you need to quit the app.
- Andru Edwards
Friendfeed Hacks Group - A place to discuss and share about tweaking Friendfeed with Greasemonkey, UserJS, Stylish, or anything to make the FF experience even better. http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Keith - @tsudo
Though Leo Laporte "liked" this bit of news, he has to be at least somewhat jealous as well. Adam would make a great guest anywhere he was willing to sit down and the TWIT network would be a great forum.
- JR Holmes
thats a whole lot of sexy in black shirt.
- Andros lee
Are they gonna blow stuff up? Now that would be an interesting Diggnation show!
- George Brickner
Stir "secret" feature: swipe over an entry to hide it (or delete it if you're the author) -- http://structlab.com -- Stir is my brand-new FriendFeed app exclusively for the iPhone and iPod touch.
As video increasingly becomes a more prevalent way of delivering news and information on the web, I find myself getting fewer morsels of news and information. I don't want video, folks. I don't need 30 seconds' introduction and 30 seconds' wrap-up. I don't need talking heads: I want data and I want it in an efficiently delivered form.
Exactly. Most of the time I don't even have sound on, so I get very little out of videos. Text and pictures is what I want.
- Jordan Hofker
Jordan, good point. I usually have music playing. So they expect me to turn down my music so I can hear them deliver news wrapped in their personalities? The nerve of some people!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I agree completely. It drives me nuts when article links bring me to video or audio presentations that lack text.
- RAPatton
Who wants to found a company that takes videos and automatically creates transcripts of them? I have no idea how that would even work but I want to make money off of it. Who's with me?!
- Akiva Moskovitz
There are services that will do that. I have looked into it for the podcast, but they are still pretty pricey.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's it then! Time to undercut the competition by providing an inferior product! How could this idea possibly go wrong? Who's with me?!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, there are companies out there like that.
- Rochelle
This also reminds me of another failure with video: it's not indexable.
- Akiva Moskovitz
There's also the annoying issue with video of not having the right player, plugin, updated version of blah blah blah. And it buffers or the sound is poor quality. I prefer words.
- Rochelle
Linux people are pretty much screwed when it comes to most video sharing formats.
- Matthew DeVries
If a video has more than 7 seconds of introduction, they've lost me. But the real nails on the chalkboard aspect of watching videos, which seems especially prevalent in screencasts, are the constant ums, uhs, ahs, and other verbal filler from people who clearly aren't comfortable conveying ideas orally. If you can't finish a sentence without using um to join two clauses together, or at least take the time to edit those pauses out, maybe podcasting or videocasting isn't your thing.
- Mark Trapp
I'm with you. I watch at most 1-2 web videos a week. Video is modal, I want text and images I can scan and either dig into or discard but make the choice to do either in a second.
- Sparky
You know, it's amazing how much lip service has been paid to indexing video and audio, but those services never really took off. You really have to rely on the tags and descriptions of a video.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I feel the same way (despite the fact that increase in internet video helps my company). Its annoying, invasive and incomplete and a total waste of my time.
- jcunwired
Mark, I agree. I'm down with screencasts (and have actually seen some really good ones) but if you can't get through it without stammering, then you need to write a script and stick with it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
On the issue of indexation, the speculation is that Google's voice recognition, that we've seen in Goog 411 and with lesser success in Google Voicemail transcription, is to be tasked with parsing video for its textual content. It's a boon to the hearing impaired and could provide the grumpier among us with an alternative to viewing content.
- Christopher Harley
this is interesting to me as I'm trying to build up my own video show from the ground upwards. I guess some of it will depend on a few factors such as what they're covering (in my case, video gaming), what method of consumption they're aiming for (web, portable media devices, etc), when and where they're consuming.
- alphaxion
But video is a more effective way to force feed you commercials with your news. Which is why it's becoming prevalent.
- Kevin Pedraja
It's something that Joe Blogger with no budget can't necessarily do. Getting a talking head to look like a proper talking head isn't totally easy and often requires money for studio gear. Making a talking head requires both writing and ability to not stutter on camera. Hosting it without dumping it on youtube is expensive. Etc. So it's a secret way to stiff it to the smaller media properties.
- Wirehead
You don't need high quality equipment to produce a video, there's nothing wrong with using YouTube as the delivery vehicle (or any of the other free to low-cost video providers), and being able to clearly convey your ideas to an audience doesn't cost money. Take, for example, Matt Cutts: while he works for Google, he's using a regular Flip camera and hosting the videos on YouTube for...
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- Mark Trapp
I sometimes wonder if the inherent problems with video - that it's not indexable, that there are no automatic transcripts - are exploited by some people. Fringe wackos are more likely than the mainstream to post links to videos rather than text pages, IME.
- Andrew C
Automatic transcription will come to the web soon. It's already possible on pro editing software to search video by words spoken within it.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
@mark trapp exactly. I made my own green screen for less than £10 and I use consumer equipment (macbook, canon HF100, final cut express, samson C03U, a few desk lights, grand total = £1650 ish). Tho, I do take the time to write a script so I'm not umming and ahhing. The two most time consuming aspects are the writing and the video editing.
- alphaxion
I'm not a video person. If I can't skim it, I don't look at it.
- Mike Reynolds
Isn't there a website where you can submit pictures of photo-stealers? This should totally be submitted. || Edit: Found it. http://thisisphotobomb.com/
- Miss Elle
...it was only after Chipper received his prints from the local PhotoMat that he realized two humans had snuck into the background of his lakeview self-portrait.
- .LAG liked that
Too many people complaining, I guess. Indeed, trust is something rare in the cynical times we live in.
- Jordi Soler
I believe people who are questioning will trust more when they get more clarity. In the absence of answers, speculation fills the gap.
- Louis Gray
hey man I trust loads more people online than off and I certainly trust the FFolk. These guys are no fools to build what they built and sell what they sold.
- Thomas Power
Unfortunately clarity takes time. Life is inherently unpredictable.
- Paul Buchheit
PB I am happy to wait take your time and yes I trust you all the whole team.
- Thomas Power
It's precisely because I viewed FF as a collection of people that I invested trust with them - so yes I'm waiting for the clarity that I trust will come and hope your allowed to share it by the new boss.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I couldn't agree with you more Paul. (congrats BTW) I just hope bigger companies also realize the same thing, we will treat them the same way they treat us. With FF I think we all felt like part of the team, communication was open and two-way..it brought the passion out of all of us.
- Chris Myles
I ain't no naysayer I am a true FFsupporter. Go PB Bear x
- Thomas Power
i don't think ppl always like what they see...perhaps why they choice to treat others badly : reflecting their own ugly.
- :}(o|O){:
Oh, I could tell you stories about how I trusted people and was let down, betrayed, and backstabbed. Cynicism is not without precedent.
- Morton Fox
I don't think it's naive, you definitely live better when you are not constantly thinking if people are trying to scam you.
- Amit Morson
It's not good to call a bluff on people/anything before you understand the situation. On trusting people a little more....that's fine. However, it's a very thin line because people are different and unique in many aspects.We can do much more if we remove the slyness that have destroyed capitalism.
- Symon Muchina Thuo
BTW, I like the little "Add comment" thingy. Good going.
- Amit Morson
If I went with optimism, I would prefer cautious optimism over blind optimism.
- Morton Fox
culturally it seems cynicism is a means for people to cope with irony
- :}(o|O){:
I trust the FF team. As I said before I doubt they'll let FB take over and do messy things. They worked too hard to let them do that.
- Molly, New Ears :P
I always give people a bit of trust, and it works out. There have been very few people that have lost the trust I gave them. I expect the best from everyone, and most return the favor. As for thinks like FF, well I don't have a lot of experience and I'm not super attached to the current workings, so I'm just waiting patiently to see what happens. I didn't join for the system, I joined for the people and the content. ^_^
- Heather
ana, that is why trust is required :)
- Paul Buchheit
It sounds like you've gained some confidence in yourself. That's always a plus.
- Wallace
I love FF. You guys have done a great job, and I have no doubt you will continue to do so. Some may have acted more on emotions than needed. However, when you end up being too trustworthy for too long, you tend to get burned. It's cheesy, it's a cliche, but it happens. I know I'm not one of the big ones here, but earlier today, in my completely zombified state, I decided to just roll...
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- Matthew Horton
I don't like how some people are thinking you "sold out" because you were bought by FB, because you needed the money and if you didn't get it what would happen? I think people are pissed off mainly because FB was the service that bought it. What if Myspace or Micorsoft bought FF? I bet there would be more people (including myself) who would totally lose trust in you guys.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Some people are going to take this cryptic post as "Friendfeed will remain a separate entity and will continue to be developed, but I just can't reveal that yet." If that's not what ends up happening -- as seems almost certainly to be the case -- many FFers will hold it against you. I don't believe that's what you're saying, but many will. I imagine the fact that the reaction is mostly...
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- Christopher A Carr
Christopher - I think Paul should start writing even more cryptic posts to /really/ mess with people.
- Andrew C
He seems busting at the seems to talk about *something* he knows, I just doubt that something will really be all that reassuring.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, you're reading too much into this (as are most people here). I really do mean it as a general point about life. The truth is that I don't know exactly what the future holds, and neither does anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
I have been through a few recent experiences where my apprehensions and concerns about the honesty and the intent of people have been proven wrong. I guess some of us need to go through this phase of realization before we can start trusting people a bit easier than before.
- Jassim
Paul: I was saying that I'm not reading that into your post, but many people will. In light of circumstances, posting something like that is going to be heavily interpreted, right?
- Christopher A Carr
I guess I'm in what some people might think of "denial". I want to think positively instead of being cynical. Being cynical to me is negative and doesn't solve a damn thing. Being positive about anything this day and age is a bad thing, I guess. People view positive feelings as being "in denial" which IMHO is a bunch of bullcrap.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Depressing country music comes to mind... the dog ran away and the truck died, sad tune... *Sigh*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Perhaps more to the point: Most here may trust the former FF team, but many don't trust Facebook.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, I think that is the main point. It was interesting to see Matt Cutts post his congrats via a FF post, but also mention that he hopes the FF team brings some openness to the FB. That is part of the trust thing. Even Microsoft is more trustworthy than FB right now and everyone knows that a team of talented devs getting swallowed up by an untrustworthy corp typically makes no difference to the corp's culture.
- Travis Koger
I had to admit, even though I like FB a lot, they have done some things I'm not happy with. I'm hoping they don't mess with FF too much or I won't go there anymore.
- Molly, New Ears :P
@Paul, I will stretch my trust a bit further to see how this washes out for the FF team, but in my view trust is always based on the actions and the way this has been handled, given that you are well aware of your rabid fan base, is not good for maintaining trust. I would have actually preferred that FF be bought my Microsoft (I know MS haters, perish the thought), but at the moment I...
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- Travis Koger
Thing is, every single FF user with a FB account could go delete their Facebook account, and Facebook would barely notice. So it's hard to believe that that they care -- why should they?
- Christopher A Carr
Totally agree Christopher. The FF crowd are such a small bag that they do not care. The reason why I would prefer MS is that they would care because they are clawing marketshare with any means, each little grab of users for them means a lot more then it does to FB, who as we all know don't even care about their existing 250-300mill.
- Travis Koger
Travis: You do know that MS is FB's single largest investor by far, right? For all practical purposes, MS bought FF as much as FB did
- LANjackal
LANjackal, yeah, but I am not sure about single largest? Particularly since the valuation that they bought in at was a lot higher than the current valuation from the recent buy in, so I think their shareholding is a tiny bit smaller now. There is still competition between the two for users, as there is from Google and twitter etc.
- Travis Koger
Lanjackal, I told like you to one of my friends feed yesterday, you are right!
- muratt
Travis: FB isn't publicly traded, and MS has given them more funding than anyone else, period. No one else has come close to the $240M MS poured into FB
- LANjackal
Travis: You don't think the Bing search results integrated with FB search results are accidental, do you? That said, I'm not one of those people who believes everything MS is bad. So far they've done well allowing FB to grow as they have. I've been with FB since 2004 so I have more faith in them than the average person. I'm giving them time to see how this all shakes out, and putting a lil trust in the FF devs too
- LANjackal
LANjackal, absolutely not, I know that was part of the investment and obviously worth a shed load more than the original 240M. I did think though that they had just received 200M from a russian company and have received other similar size investments from other companies. Don't get me wrong, I am not a total FB hater, if they do right by FF then I will absolutely stick around. What I...
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- Travis Koger
This is a smart approach. Trust...but verify. As much as many of us chuckled at Reagan in the 80s (OK, as much as some of us old guys chuckled) that's not a bad philosophy; it's what we do in day-to-day life, anyway. If we didn't implicitly trust most of the people we interacted with daily life would be chaos. Oh, and "naive" is the way we act on a daily basis.
- Tom Guarriello
Oh, and one more thing. I think the difference between the public reaction to FB buying FF and Amazon buying Zappos is fascinating.
- Tom Guarriello
I have actually more trust in FB than I have in Amazon - FB has not yet had the kind of anti competitive practices that Amazon has had in the last few years. If it had an easier way to ignore most apps, and reined their lawyers when revising T&Cs, FB would be positively peachy :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Reality is a mirror. We will manifest in life what we continue to see and be. If we find that we continually cannot or do not trust people, it is often because we ourselves are not trustworthy. Give situations time to sort out before you automatically assume that the worst will come about.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Paul, I take your point. This is how I've gone through my entire life, with varying degrees of success. But I should tell you because of this I've been burned many, many times and have the emotional scars to prove it. It is not a statement to be made lightly (not that I think this is what you were doing).
- Jim Misses SP
I think most people would like to trust but most people have been disappointed before so when one cares about something or someone might tend to create negative mental scenarios as a mechanism to protect oneself from another disappointment and not to appear a fool once again.
- M F
Cautious optimism is how I proceed. However, I've been involved in and project managed through many acquisitions, and usually the acquiree gets fed a bunch of bs about how they'll be able to control their destiny and keep their baby running. But I don't think I've ever seen that actually happen. I hope it might, in this case, but I feel like so much cannon fodder at this point.
- Rick Cogley
@PaulToo / Paul Buchheit you say "Unfortunately clarity takes time." This is really where I think many people take issue, why did you sell the company without getting a more firm road-map for how things were going to go (which you could have then announced)? Unless you basically said: "OK, just give us the money and we'll let things sort themselves out later." Which is of course your...
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- Alex Schleber
Are people forgetting that Paul sunk millions of his own money into FF? Unless FF was a 503c Foundation, he can't be faulted for seeking to recoup that, and with big players copying FF features every day, there was a risk to FF's future. I'm somewhat saddened by what happened, but happy for Paul, but either way, FF introduced a bunch of concepts that will now be copied by other...
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- Ray Cromwell
I like the sentiment to stay open and trusting. Life is too short to do otherwise. And since there is a lot of talk about the facebook deal on this thread guess I'll throw in my 2c there too -- which is, congratulations on another successful venture Paul. Very impressive and facebook will be better as a result. If FF gets lost in the shuffle that just means someone has to go out there and start another venture ;)
- Thomas Mader
@cromwellian, that's why I used the words "which is of course your prerogative"..business is business, fine. I congratulate the FF team on their business win. But then don't mix categories and try to bring social issues like "trust" back in through the backdoor. After Beacon et al. FB PR disasters, do you trust Zuckerberg/FB with a darn thing? You yourself seem to think similarly by saying you're "kinda resigned that it's long term fate is not in the cards." My point exactly..
- Alex Schleber
@Guruvan BTW I disagree with you that this has anything to with LOA/Projection type stuff..the point is we all trusted FB in the beginning..a long time ago. Did we attract their multiple mis-behaviors into our shared reality somehow?!?
- Alex Schleber
More accurately, life is better when people are trustworthy.
- Tanath
Alex: I have spent about 10 hours of my life with Mark Zuckerberg. I think he is a lot more trustworthy than most business leaders I have met.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scobleizer, which isn't saying that much, would you agree? :) It is after all the same Mark Zuckerberg that handed out business cards reading "I'm CEO, Bitch" not all that long ago..
- Alex Schleber
How does facebook reconcile talking about openness but trying to prevent other services from gaining traction by blocking the flow of information out of facebook that would enable smaller networks to compete? It looks like facebook is trying to become the entire web experience for users.
- Ru Viljoen
I've been through too many mergers and acquisitions to trust anything the buying corporation says.
- Alex Scoble
yeah u need to trust now because you gave away control. i think it was a silly move. i still think that friendfeed could have turned the tide by itself,...with proper profiles and people search. now all you can do is hoping you didn't got fooled
- Chris Hofmann
Schleber: damn, I didn't get one of those cards from him and had to drag him into a Time Magazine party. He didn't want to go because he didn't have an invite. I think that's the last time that I'll have an invite to something he doesn't have. But, seriously, I love how we blow out of proportion people like him.
- Robert Scoble
Alex Scoble: I assume the worst and when the best happens, I'm surprised. That said, Zuckerberg and Facebook has never stabbed me in the back or been jerks the way some other companies have been.
- Robert Scoble
If facebook succeeds it will lead to a period where innovation stagnates, and finally the largest task for facebook is to wrest power from google, and I personally do not want that to happen.
- Ru Viljoen
Ru: if you think Facebook is stagnating, I think you are smoking some good dope. Remember, FriendFeed couldn't take off because Facebook was too fast a follower. Many of my favorite friends from across the industry are now working there. Don't underestimate this company.
- Robert Scoble
Plus they stole Google's sushi chef and he's freaking awesome.
- Robert Scoble
Any company in Silicon Valley who is powered by sushi is unstoppable. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't think that, I think facebook is brilliant and incredibly innovative, I mean it will go that way if they become too dominant in the comprehensive web experiance.
- Ru Viljoen
I have never heard of any company continuing to drive innovation as google has after acquiring a monopolistic majority, that is why I do not want it to be replaced.
- Ru Viljoen
I think he is right, social search is better than legions of anonymous results. Facebook leads social so when they master search they will undermine google.
- Ru Viljoen
yeah but the content that is dragged into FB is still much more limited to what google can crawl.
- Chris Hofmann
What exactly are you referring to by "social search," Ru?
- Christopher A Carr
If I'm trying to figure out who *among my FB friends* has the cutest new baby, or the highest ranking on Farmtown, then FB is certainly superb.
- Christopher A Carr
Search results relative to people you know. So far facebook has focused on features and usability to grow its userbase, but it looks really obvious that they will then try to use that social network to create a search engine that uses your acquaintances to serve you recommendations or search results and people will love that.
- Ru Viljoen
thats what friendfeed has been doing already
- Chris Hofmann
Ru: I could see that were FF as large as FB. My aunties and uncles on FB don't really know much about my interests or preferences. Won't FB have to radically restructure the network -- FoaF, and such?
- Christopher A Carr
i think that is the point of getting the friendfeed guys in the firstplace
- Chris Hofmann
In that case, there's so much legacy cruft in FB, why not build from FF's foundation if they're going to have to tear things down anyway?
- Christopher A Carr
Actually Paul, there is a famous wise American Caver named Donald Davis. Cavers find cave. Caves are a kind of form of Shrodingers Cat, we never know where more cave is until we find it. Davis postulated in the 60's that the cavers create the cave in their minds.
- Robert Higgins
FF is interests/information-centric. FB is people you happen to have encountered physically-centric.
- Christopher A Carr
It might be a hell of a lot of work but still that is where they will go. Bear in mind they have just released facebook lite and their explanation of it being for low brandwidth areas and mobiles smells like BS, but that is too speculative, fact is they can create that infrastructure with enough money, talent and users.
- Ru Viljoen
But they have 1/3 of a billion users with old expectations to placate. How radical can they be?
- Christopher A Carr
Well until it is done who knows how much behaviour will be shaken up, but they can be quite radical and people will not leave because how do you communicate with school friends and grandma if you leave?
- Ru Viljoen
It would seem extremely difficult to me to build a new house by ripping out a piece of the old house and replacing it, one piece at a time -- and starting from the roof. At best, for much of the process you'll have an ugly-ass Franken-house -- which is a good description of the state of affairs at FB.
- Christopher A Carr
Paul we trust you not to stab Friendfeed in the back, but to infiltrate and take over Facebook
- Robert Higgins
hahaha well I hope facebook remains a secure place to chat to our real friends and some form of friendfeed lives on and grows for our edgy web friends. Sleepytime 01:49 here
- Ru Viljoen
I imagine you and the rest of the FF gang are stinging a bit (perhaps you didn't expect the backlash to be as... well, passionate as it was?) but, in my experience, trust is something that has to be earned and it's usually something I only give to people I know personally. Generous trust has almost always repaid me negatively so I'm loathe to just hand it out. I'm a cynical, old, cranky...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I have a long held belief that trust is something meant to be earned, not something you are entitled to from the start, and once shattered it is difficult, but not impossible, to regain. And Trust travels with a companion called Respect. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
- April Russo (app103)
Wow Akiva!! 'monster off the leash'. I feel your hurt emotions, really deep!
- Myrna
Eh, I've entered into the acceptance stage. Things are as they are.
- Akiva Moskovitz