@Corvida ... could you ping me on GTalk when you havea minute please - Steven Hodson
I really hope your post is some sort of joke. Here is what I see: 1/ it doesn't matter that me and others got screwed, as long as they have $12mil in their account, 2/ it is ok to start it from scratch over and over again 3/ you don't care that me and others lost all our connections, as long as you still have thousands. Conclusion: it is a VERY BIG DEAL, as they have lost my data. If they would have lost their own data, I would have said nothing. But for the moment, it is my data they screwed. Have good traffic! - Alex Popescu
I rarely joke on my site Alex. It's just another perspective and far from a joke. I don't have thousands and you should be backing up those connections elsewhere anyways! That's not Twitter's fault that you didn't take the opportunity to move those connections off of Twitter and on to somewhere like your damn phone let alone your email contact book. Twitter didn't screw anyone. This is a possible price to pay for putting all you eggs in one basket that's been having issues since its inception. - Corvida
Corvida, I like the take in your post. I like your comment above even more : ) I'd understand Alex's rage if he was paying $20/mo. for the service, but he isn't. Disappointment and frustration with a free service, sure, ok. Rage? Not so much. - Robert Seidman
Twitter is a free service. You get what you pay for... especially if you didn't export your connections to Plurk, FriendFeed, or another service. - Bill Sodeman
Your exactly right Robert. It's a free service and that changes the rules a bunch. It's frustrating yes, but I don't believe it's something that can be thrown entirely on Twitter. - Corvida
But don't forget to factor in that because of the "free" users, funding is able to be obtained and the service can be adapted for paid models. Many services are free now because users won't pay for something that doesn't work if there's a free alternative, so who's going to be the first to charge and take that chance? The idea that hey, it's free, don't complain could be the downfall of an otherwise promising company. - Ro (Lilyhill)
You can't really be angry at Twitter just because it's unstable and ate your followers. They made you no promises and took none of your money (that I am aware of). What you CAN do is either stop using it, or protect yourself from future mishaps by backing up your contacts. - Rahsheen Porter
The fact that the service is free is not the point. Sites that collect data and provide a service have an implied responsibility to it's users. If Google was to suddenly lose peoples emails would folks have the right to feel pissed? Of course they would. If you can't provide the service intended then you shouldn't be providing it, no matter how cheaply. I'm good. I got my 3 followers back. And I am glad that the folks who run Twitter got things back in order in a reasonable amount of time. Kudos! - chartreuse
You say that because it's free it promises you nothing, but what if Gmail suddenly obliterated 1/2 of everyone's e-mails, including yours? Would you be singing the same tune? While there is not an explicit promise that comes with an exchange of money, there is, I think, an implicit promise that, in exchange for your attention and data, this free service will not totally make your life difficult. Letting companies that do this off the hook because they are free is not what good consumer behavior is about. - Dan Kaplan
Continued. The good news is that this was a temporary thing, but if it hadn't been...damn. - Dan Kaplan
Dan, G-Mail is at least monetized with advertising so it's a little different. Plus, by the time it launched in beta all those years ago Google was already a very profitable, stable and big company. If G-Mail went out for even half a day, there'd probably be little else on TechMeme. But for now, e-mail remains a much bigger deal than Twitter (perhaps not with you, but with the world) - Robert Seidman
When this happened yesterday, I was hoping it was a temporary glitch from which they would recover. There's a big difference between losing contacts for a few hours and losing them forever. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Just in case I was confusing, I do not agree that they are free to screw you over because the service is free. I'm just saying there is no point in being angry about it. If a free service/company burns you, all you can really do is move on. It's not like you can get a refund or credit for service. I have ditched Twitter completely. - Rahsheen Porter
I didn't think it was that big of a deal when it happened. Twitter communicated what was going on and now all of my followers are back. - Albert Willis
It's just insulting to me that these small timers are the ones hating me. No one listens to these guys. It's embarrassing to be hated by such an inconsequential group. - loren feldman
Don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of big timers hating you! A few, anyway! Most are probably too afraid to say anything, though, for fear of being more thoroughly mocked. You can bet that Dave Winer, for instance, would love to do something more creative with http://www.1938media.net/, if he had the talent (is he a big timer outside his the dwindling circle of sycophants and old-time Frontier users?). - John Newsjunk
John, Winer is such a pussy its ridiculous. - loren feldman
t gets almost embarrassing to point out Winer is his perfect name, just missing the "h". It is too easy. By the way, Faith brought home some booze, that means I am tanked, so here goes the shameless promotion, get two free CD's by listening to Reaching for Lucidity 2.0 #369 at http://reachingforlucidity.net.... I have finally drank enough to throw that in - Eban Crawford
I'm seriously hating on you right now, feldman. You're not even worth me using your first name. Feldman. No... feldman... No caps for you either! - Aaron Brazell
Aaron, are you serious? I mean, really. - Eban Crawford
Maybe it is because you doing so well that no one with a brain thinks negatively of you? - Andrew Fielding
Dont know Andrew, I just seem to get the bottom of the barrel when it comes to haters. I mean if these dopes had audiences it would be cool, but none of them do. Who are these people? - loren feldman
I have to chuckle whenever a multi-millionaire has money problems. Can you hear the violin playing.... - Jeff P. Henderson
the article didn't say exactly why he is avoiding the cops. I'm curious about that. But a 10 million dollar, 10 bedroom house is a bit excessive (unless you're Fred Wilson). He did produce some hot songs though (unlike Fred Wilson!) - chartreuse
Group therapy here: I hate that I have to workout and watch intake to maintain or reduce weight, all my youth I was underweight. Genetics are a bitch, I'm looking --and sounding-- like my dad more and more. On the flip side, I see the bigger picture, and now that I'm married, don't have to worry about girls, dating, and other growing up issues. It's a fun ride, and I'm enjoying it. - Jeremiah Owyang
I like that now when I speak people listen, when I was younger that drove me insane. I hate that my body feels second hand already. (28) - Toby Graham
Love using wisdom I didn't have earlier on when I was younger. I hate trying to get back into shape... it seems to take longer each time I attempt it. [But I'm NOT giving up. :)] - Kevin C. Tofel
I don't worry so much. I realized at some point "hey, I'm pretty good at what I do" and now I trust my gut. Work sometimes made me a nervous wreck when I was younger (mostly I just cared too much, often about the wrong things). - Jason Wehmhoener
Hate: Weight gain issues like Jeremiah mentioned; feel tired/run-down faster now; memory loss (which is secondary to having a hugely stressful job!!); not as much of a "looker" now...ignored more in favor of younger women (ouch); rejected more. Love: Respect, knowledge/wisdom factor is awesome!; street smarts, business saavy "capitol", better communication, people / political saavy; historical context is now present (better decisions/info); deeper tech domain knowledge / skill set ... big picture is big! - Susan Beebe
The first time someone called me "Sir" I stepped out of the way because I thought they were talking to someone behind me. Then I realized. *sigh*. On the upside, I don't worry about *anything* anymore. - Sprague D
LOVE: the confidence that really understanding yourself brings Don't-Love-so-much - the minor aches and ridiculously longer recovery times - Marco
Love: the freedom to do what i want to do, horizontal license, less stress. Hate: the fact that i realize i'm getting older. - Kyle A Koch
Love: Freedom, more responsibilities, mental growth, and simply growing up through the hardships of life. Hate: Not being able to play in the park anymore cause I'm too big :( - Bartek Gniado
@Kyle, horizontal license = no one to tell you to get out of bed? - Toby Graham
I Love that every day i grow more knowledgeable than I grow old. I hate that things to worry about increase faster than anything else (except maybe credit). - Parth Awasthi
bartek - bu that's what Dave and Buster's, GameWorks, etc. are for - Jeff Woelker via twhirl
Love: Not just the freedom, but the freedom to have chocolate cake for breakfast! Hate: People start expecting you to act your age. (they can bite my 400 pound inner child's butt) And how your body just starts turning against you. - Aden
Hate: noisy knees, gray underarm hair (just one? Where's The Fish?!?) LOVE: being taken more seriously at work, having the confidence that comes from surviving all the weird things I've experienced in my life. - Harvey Simmons
Dislike: Can't eat garbage and not gain weight. Health issues are starting to creep in - it's like the body is falling apart. Love: comfortable with who you are. Don't care about what's "hip" or being cool. Having enough money to buy the toys you always wanted - but then resisting because impulsivity of youth is gone. - Jason Kaneshiro
I love that people respect me more and more as I get older. I hate that those younger than me respect me lesser and lesser. - Shey
Love: dancing at parties (at last!) and not care what others might be thinking. Hate: diabetes. - Bob Kingsley
Riffing on Sprague D, being addressed as "Sir" - The frequency increases with age. I expect to expire once it reaches 100% - Kevin Johnson via twhirl
I hate the growing awareness that there really isn't enough time. - shelisrael1
being called Mr or Sir, a growing awareness that its time to do only the right thing - Patphelan
Love: Knowledge. Hate: Responsibility. - Mo Jawhari
I love that I can give self-doubt the finger. (finally) Why couldn't I have this confidence and wisdom at 18? ;) I hate the fact that I'm 29 and have some lower-back issues. - Anna Haro
Hate: feeling compelled to respond to lists like this. Love: having kids. - Clay Newton
Love the comfort and bonding of a long marriage, watching our kids grow, and the fact that every day is one day closer to heaven. Hate the aches and pains. - Robert
Love: being able to dance on the sofa with my shoes on while holding a bowl of ice cream. Hate: being the one that has to clean up the ice cream when i drop it on the sofa. - carlotta fancypants
I hate that less younger women will flirt with me as I get older. - Bjorn Tipling
i love that younger people will listen to me now. I hate that younger people won't listen to me now. - chartreuse
love: experience, lessons; hate: physical and mental deterioration, people around me getting older. - ~C4Chaos
Love: learning to accept myself for who I am Hate: Taking 30 years to get there - Sally Robinson
Hate that I'm usually the oldest guy in the room, and forgetting that I am :) - Bryan Thatcher
I love that I had my kids very young (and they are grown!) and that I look young but have all these years of wisdom. I hate that I don't know about half the bands my son listens to so he thinks I know nothing of music. GAH! - Gina
I've been a kid and am an adult. Adult is better :) - Michael Gartenberg
Love that I can afford the latest techno gadgets and try out new hobbies. Hate the gray hair and the aching bones after a good workout. - Alfred C. Chen
Love: feeling more comfortable in my skin, broader perspective, increased earning power, knowing my stuff (most of the time, anyways); Hate: needing so much sleep, wrinkles - Erin Collopy
Love the wisdom that comes from experience. Hate having to think about how finite our time is. - Logical Extremes
Love that a growing level of experience and knowledge allows for the generation of a number of ideas. Frustrated by knowledge and skill deficits necessary for successful execution that is revealed by those very same ideas - Marco
I hate everytime Vera tells me I sound grumpy like my dad, and in the back of my head, I know I do. - Dave@yummyporky
I hate that I am no longer "kiddo" at the office. I love that I know all the songs on Guitar Hero and rock harder than my kids:-) - bdsanchez
Love that I've learned to breathe and what is really important - Hate that I need more time to recover from things. - Jane Quigley
This is not surprising seeing how most guys will follow anythign they think has two legs and can bend over. - Jason Cazier via twhirl
I'd probably rather lick chalk than get my news via Digg, but this sort of scamming is the nature of all online interactivity that can be gamed. It happens on Facebook, MySpace, Twitter -- even FriendFeed. Wherever it can happen and there is perceived benefit, it will happen. - Robert Seidman
Sucks to get such a public firing. :/ - Bjorn Tipling
I suppose it wasn't Shel's fault though. I think Robert set himself and Shel up for failure on the Fast Company Network. Two very bright guys who's work doesn't really translate that well to video. We all know what Robert is thinking because he thinks out loud all day long, and in all of that time spent, he's not really thinking about video. Its hard to be an expert at everything. - Andrew Baron
Bjorn, ironically it wasn't a public firing. That was my point. There are two views on whether a company should announce the departure of a person, and in this case FastCompany chose not to publicly announce the departure. Robert Scoble has stated his reasons for not doing so. - Ontario Emperor
But obviously it was public. They knew people would talk about it and then Robert chimed in with his public comments on a blog post and then reblogged that link on friendfeed. - Andrew Baron
And btw, "boring" is not a criticism to Shel who is not at all boring in my opinion, but rather that he didnt get the production support that he needed to create a buzz around the information that he was bringing to the table. - Andrew Baron
The problem was not getting Shel a producer to begin with. - Andrew Feinberg
I guess Shel is being quiet for a reason, i wouldn't like to have all this aired without having a say :\ - Chris Jones via twhirl
I never saw any of the FC stuff. Any of it actually worth 3 minutes of my time? - Sean-Michael Robinson
@Sanford, visually? I was glad to see you all sitting there but I dont believe the show did anything to take advantage of the visual medium. As I said in my tweet, very boring to watch. This was just an audio podcast, really. - Andrew Baron
Revision3 does the production and is paid a lot to do the video parts of the show. I spend a lot of time thinking about our shows along with the team at Revision3 and we will continue tweaking this. One reason we hired Revision3 is because I know I don't know how to do a good studio show. I thought we would have more than five shows to get to be ultra-high quality, but that was my mistake and it won't be repeated again. - Robert Scoble
its odd to see Shel or Scooble on FastCompany anyways, I mean why do i care about FastCompany, tradtional media mag dead, next - Dan Rockwell via twhirl
Sean: I have learned a lot from every guest on the show. Amazing no one talks about that. Sanford's show will teach you a lot about co-working. On this Friday's show will be David Allen who has started a productivity cult around his Getting Things Done book and methodology. That won't be boring, no matter how badly I suck. - Robert Scoble
Robert, its not about you sucking. It's about the lack of visual value. Take the video linked to above by Sanford for instance. That video is weak on the visuals. And it takes SO LONG to get the info across. When watching the video, and listening to what you and your guests are saying, try to imagine what could go on top of their voice-overs in post to add another layer of depth and value to the experience. There is a moment of website b-roll for example. What else can you imagine visually from the video? - Andrew Baron
How many hours a day do you spend on Rocketboom? I heard you once say it is 12 hours a day for a few minutes of video. WorkFast is a live interview show like Charlie Rose. You don't see him doing lots of graphics either.. My guests can only give me an hour of their time. That is one reason I get such extraordinary guests. I don't ask for a lot of their time. I agree that such a treatment would be better, but would make a live video show very difficult to do without a huge crew behind the scenes. I will look for visual opportunities. Thanks for the feedback. - Robert Scoble
As a filmmaker I can tell you 1) yes the visual element is important and 2) maybe not in the way you think. Just having someone on camera for a while gives you a very good sense of who they are. Scoble's video's are fine and what makes them valuable is the immediacy. Maybe they get cut together someday by a doc filmmaker or Scoble himself but that's a different media object. My own interviews for the next film I'm putting up raw w/out editing for all to see. I think there's value in that. - Dean Terry
There is value in that for sure Dean. I think my suggestion does not exclude this value. 30 minutes of watching 2 or three guys sit in a chair talk is a lot like watching a reading for a play. But usually, when you add the set and enhance the work with sound and bring more visual stimulation to the scene, you wind up with a real opportunity to get the human element across, as well as showing and emphasizing visually the subject matter that is being discussed. - Andrew Baron
I quite enjoy the style the Robert produces. After all this is an interview with the people behind the technologies, not a PowerPoint presentation. Lots of visuals are not always a good thing, especially when the audio content is the major thing of intrest. - John Worthington
@john It certainly fits in the long tail. No questioning that there is a value for some people. - Andrew Baron
Wasn't I seeing tweets from others raving about how fucking "brilliant" or "funny" Shel was? Now he's yesterdays Web 2.0 trash? Man you guys are fucking fickle. - Daniel Spisak via twhirl
Andrew: understood. I'm sure you would agree there are meaningful added media elements and there are b.s. ones. Canned music and flying text are useless and zombie inducing. What would be interesting, but would take much more time in editing, is to spend a whole day with Scoble's subjects. Get them eating breakfast, driving to work, on conference calls, with their dog, etc. Then you get a more full portrait of the person, in addition to the ideas. (OK I'm biased, this is my approach) - Dean Terry
Andrew-Don't beat around the bush. Scoble is not a video guy. Not everyone is. Just because he has a zillion fanboys (and girls) here no reason not to speak your mind openly. Seems to me that Scoble's appeal is to geeks that think everything he fixates on for 5 seconds is the 2nd coming of Apple or to the CEO's that are getting a nice infomercial from the Scobleizer. - Mark Forman
@Dean, but what about the topic of conversation? Getting to know the person and what they eat for breakfast is one thing, but what about when they are talking about the things that are important to them? Like their work? Maybe some of that time visual information could be used to provide more depth and make the information more clear. - Andrew Baron
Mark: I never claimed to be a video guy. I am a conversation guy. I have conversations. Tomorrow with a couple of famous architects. The video is just so you can come along too. Not everyone will like what I am doing. That comes with doing media. Star Wars was given awful critiques, yet I still love it. I haven't seen anyone else do more than 1,000 video interviews online, though. There is a reason: criticism is easy: having extraordinary conversations is hard. - Robert Scoble
@Andrew agreed, but it would push production time ever further. I'm sitting watching (in ambient fashion) a History Channel production that took months to create. My last film took 3 yrs. All OK if timeliness is not an issue. Many tech interviews get stale very fast unless they are about very big picture issues (which, sadly, aren't as interesting to many). Personally I try and get people to talk about larger social issues, often just out of their comfort zone. These seem to have some lasting value. - Dean Terry
Andrew: I agree. It is why we do different kinds of shows. The one I am doing tomorrow with an architect that designed Los Angeles stadium will have visuals. But that is more like Rocketboom since it will be edited. WorkFast is a live conversation and putting in visuals is much tougher. - Robert Scoble
I agree with Andrew. I tried to watch several shows but it was like watching the radio. I think it's possible to be visually more interesting without a lot of work. And isn't that Rev. 3's job? - chartreuse
Realizing that I have not watched any scoble videos in a long time. I wish that I could add that upcoming GTD Video to my queue. - Christian Burns
Honestly, I am not a video guy and really don't know anything. But I was watching an old Charlie Rose episode on YouTube last night. For those that do know what they are talking about, is that not a two-camera show? If so, Robert - if you got two cameras on there for coverage, would you not be able to cut more together (without all the whiz-bang graphics stuff) but at least you could get some tight shots, etc... Again, I really have no clue about video, so this may be irrelevant. - Adam Bullied
I got people in SAP and FastCompany kinda like a Tyler Durden thing. Anyway SAP was livid at last weeks show, demanded that Shel is gone. He was hated at Fast Company so no one really cares there. Scoble needs to step it up or he's finished as well. Ed Sussman is not doing a very good job. He's put a team of real losers together with no apparent skills in their chosen fields. Lynne Johnson -Social Media? Shel Israel - Journalist?, and the best, Scoble to run video? - loren feldman
@1938media: Man, sounds like they'd be better off hiring a nobody like me who has demonstrable technical skills, a clear voice, but no group baggage, let me assemble my own team, and be ahead of the train-wreck curve. I'm not, y'know, sayin', I'm just sayin'. - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
@markcooper: Note to Self: Use pictures of squid or octopi instead of my own image if supposed to be on camera ... - Alexander Williams via NoiseRiver
and how many weeks to finally find out the shows are bad? shaking head - Fred Grott
Alexander Williams, putting his tentacles into social media. - Ontario Emperor
I'm blocked to by Shitbag Scoble but I saw he confirmed that Shel was gone and it seems like that "friendship" ended quick, nice job sucking at life Scoble and Shel - Andrew Fielding
FYI, the Scobleizer.tv production is pretty damn good. Not sure why everyone blames Robert for WorkFast. That's all done at Revision3. - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew Fielding - isn't Scoble (& FastCompany) damned if he did, and damned if he didn't? If Shel stayed, everyone would rag on Scoble for retaining Shel, and when Shel was let go, people will rag on Scoble for jettisoning a friend. Seems he loses either way. - Ontario Emperor
Hey - Robert looked good in the suit - and Shel provided good-natured comic relief. Please - take it easy... - Sanford
Shel has zero personality. His forced delivery and reading off cue cards hurt the show. The guy needed makeup to cover his scorched skin. A guy his age should really use sunblock. Scoble needs to start buying tailored suits. Off the rack suits always look terrible on guys who are overweight. - Rob Safuto
Existing insurance arrangements have become more unstable, leading more and more Americans to ponder whether there might be a better way. And surely there is a better way to organize the provision of health insurance. But formulating and legislating a new - chartreuse
don't worry too much Dec 21st 2012 is still far away in the future - Dobromir Hadzhiev
I think on the web, it's full of sound and fury - signifying nothing...Calacanis is partially right when he says "blogging is dead"...I think MACRO-blogging is dead as we know it and is pretty much mainstream and corporate...but micro-blogging is VERY MUCH alive and transforming...Friend Feed is part of that metamorphosis from the basics of twitter/jaiku... - Live4Soccer
Things never cease to change. "You can never step into the same river; for new waters are always flowing on to you" (Heraclitus). Only now, the changes are assaulting our senses and are amplified many times eg. the Internet enabling speed-of-light ideas transmission. - Yung-Hui Lim
i think history shows us one thing. We are usually wrong. - chartreuse
the web is just a part of it. it ain't iT. - Andrew Jecklin
I'm really starting to like you Leo. - loren feldman
The world is changing. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it. - Diane Ensey
It's summer and television is in reruns. Six weeks everything goes back to normal. - Adam Turetzky
you're right, I agree things are changing and fast too, technology and online communities are where things are happening first then the rest of the world is talking about it - Wayne Sutton
I worked some life-changing chemistry back in my prime, with the typical product cycle, some of them should be reaching the public soon. - Robert Hafer
As a kid I can even tell. Still somewhat scared about it too! - Andew
loren twittered this and then didn't bother to come here and participate? fail? - Tad Donaghe
It's the smell of air without so many free monomers and hydrocarbons in it. - bob corrigan
"The Internet...creates a surreal virtual reality "where the rhetoric of democracy, freedom, and access is often a fig leaf for antidemocratic and coercive rhetoric; where commercial ambitions dress up in the sheep's clothing of humanistic values; and were, ironically, technology has turned back the clock from disinterested enjoyment of high and popular art to a primitive culture of crude, grasping self-interest." But isn't the internet reflecting society, not necessarily the motivator? - Diane Ensey
Hail to the King, baby! Great instructional video, I learned a lot. Still, quitting blogging cold turkey sounds kind of painful -- does anyone know if there's any patch I can wear or gum I can chew to gradually cut down on blogging? - Karim
I thought it was funny, but then I got the subtext of what he was taking the piss out of. - Duncan Riley
waht subtext? it was supposed to be funny based on jason's quitting blogging - that's all. - Allen Stern
I don't think it would be a very good idea for me to let people know where I am at any given moment. This "Social GPS" stuff is scary shit. - loren feldman
It probably won't be too long till it's pretty easy for many folks to figure that out anyways. Maybe not for you, but people who post photos they take straight to flickr might be kind of easy to track, and as more and more people begin broadcasting live video all over the place it'll continue getting easier. I'm kinda in the Scoble camp of privacy-is-dead. But yeah, it's scary stuff. - Tad Donaghe
for you Loren your concern is understandable. :) - chartreuse
