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How to do almost anything with Posterous - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Was just reminded of a joke that ya'll may or may not find funny. A southern woman is seated on a plane next to a northern woman and her boyfriend on a plane. The southern woman says "So, where are ya'll from?" and the northern woman replies "We're from a place where we do not end our sentences in a preposition." The southern woman smiles and says...
Penguin It's Cold Outside, Scott of Two Countries, Steve C and 34 other people liked this
"Well, then: where are ya'll from, bitch?"
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It was all supposed to be in the post but got cut off by FF without me knowing it. Dislike =(
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tehehe
- Johnny Worthington
It's okay, Tina... I like it best when the punchline ends up in the first comment. :-)
- Ladybug Heather
Love it.
- Nation Hahn
love it too, Tina, because it's so true...
- Helen Sventitsky
LOL!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Shouldn't there be a "Bless your heart" in there somewhere?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
LOL
- AJ Batac
So much Thanks! to the Cosmetics..
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CannonGod, Baard @ Pixum, Jens Christian Freund and 61 other people liked this
Her şey bir ilüzyondan ibaret
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
igrendim ama ya =)
- Boran Biriz
wow what would women do without the world of make up
- Jene Green
Daha da vari ama eklenemeyecek kadar çoklar..:)
- Tugce Cengiz
Madonna ve Pamela Anderson berbat görünüyor! =/
- Anıl
Some of us do just fine, Jene.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
1UP Tina.
- Derrick
Who is that? Also...makeup is stupid unless you're Goth or Death Metal Facepainting
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
and plastic surgery ,,,, http://skitch.com/johnpie...
- johnpiercy
Some of them still look cute, like Rachel (forgot her last name), Halle Berry, Julia Roberts. Some of them are just bad pictures.
- Shevonne
Halle Berry still rocks.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Make up can't do the magic that Photoshop can. Yay for Photoshop or any of its open source equivalent?
- Kandeezie
oh no, me eyes!!!
- Francisco Espinoza
from BuddyFeed
Go G.I.M.P.
- Kevin J Hatton
Yine en iyisi Marilyn Manson :))) En azından daha sade
- Suat Kınay
Halle +1!
- Burcu Dogan
böghk! bunlar onlar mı?
- Harun R. Demirbaş
9.jpg bence makyajsız olarakta güzel
- İgal Pirlanti (Bepanthol)
6.jpg: Yok artık. Bambaşka birisi olmuş..
- Müjdat Korkmaz
007.jpg: beslediğim duygular vardı içimde aniden bitti
- Harun R. Demirbaş
Please tell me the Heather Locklear one is a mistake! That CAN'T be her in the before pic! Oh my.
- Josh Haley
was about to say, there's a little more than feminine polyfiller at work there in some of the pics. In the interest of fairness, can we have a male "before and after makeup/photoshop thread" too?
- alphaxion
Sertab Erener unutulmuş http://friendfeed.com/sertabe... :D (Şimdi dinliyor: Sertab Erener - Unutursun) En azından Marilyn Manson makyajsız iyiymiş.
- Onur
my wife very seldom ever wears make-up and she always looks great to me...but then i'm in love with her so i am biased.
- Joe Silence is not dead
also, they picked the most unflattering before pics (scowling, mouth open, grimacing, sunburned, visibly upset and so on), so i call foul for that if for nothing else.
- Joe Silence is not dead
This guy is petrified -------->
- Christopher Harley
Heather Locklear fotosu makyajla açıklanmayacak bir vaka sanki..
- Timsah memet
Penelope Cruz and Halle Berry still look good!
- TobiasVerhoog.com
I agree Tobias...
- YunusYAMANER(CITRIL)
"Its flashing outside. Put on your photoshop."
- Olcayto Cengiz
from iPhone
which is which?
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
yine en iyi "kocaağız"mış.. angelina da fena değil.. ama o illustrasyonla emoya dönüşen çakma sarışının gerçek hayatta "haykırmalı ağlamaklı" suratı... ıyk... kimse artık o...
- Bilal Cihangir
If there is 1 thing I know, there are probably 1,000+ photos from the other 359 degrees that don't make it look like he is checking out her ass... When it comes down to it, regardless of your political leanings, a nice ass is a nice ass...
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مــهـــــــــدی, Ton Zijp, Helen Sventitsky and 53 other people liked this
LMAO!!! These are gold.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Thank for playing Noah, tell him what he's won Bill... I like how you have created this massive faptastic image in your head based off a 2 dimensional image. Your argument would be better served if you could show me the exact same moment from a different angle to prove that the eyes were 100% on the ass... but you probably won't...
- Johnny Worthington
Noah, you of all people should know that the cherry-picking of information and images to serve a twisted political viewpoint is what is at play here. Show me a different angle and we'll play again :D
- Johnny Worthington
I would rather have him look and be himself, than to hide it. There's nothing wrong with looking!
- Michael Fidler
These are two different moments in time. two different women at the same event in a different place at the event yet only one angle presented. YOU can't spin it Noah.
- Johnny Worthington
*TEAR*
- Johnny Worthington
Wait, where did Noah's comments go? I just started to read them! GAH.
- Mellissa Claus
And then did Noah have a tantie?
- Mellissa Claus
He kinda doesn't like being argued with. Any point offered against his and you are branded as a Jew-Hating Nazi Left Wing baby eater...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
What's wrong with that? Babby are tastee.
- Mellissa Claus
And we care about these photos...why?
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Truth doesn't matter. People want to believe he's "like one of us."
- Jason Nunnelley
Shouldn't they be focusing on slightly higher matters?
- Kevin J Hatton
Like boobs?
- Mellissa Claus
Bush is the funniest as he looks so blatant
- Joe Dawson
I remember that Bush photo. The players actually invited him to give it a smack. LOL!
- Steven Perez
Is it me or do the bikinis on those awesome athletes get smaller each year? Gotto love beach volley ball. Awesome! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Oh elders of Political Think: Ommm when I am getting meditation and soul cleansing at HOOTERS telling you not one time am I ever wondering about what political party she belongs to. Does anyone else have politics along those lines??? Dudes chill out a bit :--)
- ThatDBD
One More Name and this Logo will Implode - Brand New - http://www.underconsideration.com/brandne...
Alex Hammer, Renchin(Reina)Wang, Bindu Reddy and 39 other people liked this
Shared for the title alone :)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Beats PricewaterhouseCoopers by 2 chars. Impressive.
- Richard Chen
starting to sound like a law firm
- ian kennedy
As long as they're bringing all these names together, they might as well put the only surname of the group last. MorganStanleyBarneySmith.
- Justin Whittaker
MSBS
- τorƍue
WHA??? which one is correct? LOL
- Susan Beebe
I vote they just merge 'em all together and become Blarney Citi.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Good suggestion, Tina, and closer to the truth!
- asiriusgeek
The only good thing about whatever they do is that the domain name will probably be available. :) Although I must say, Conan's "youtwitface" (merger of YouTube, Twitter and FaceBook) is a classic!
- Gil Francisco III
They should just go old school and leave it as "ShittyBank"
- Ana
When I did a product demonstration at the Navy Exchange store a few years back, they made a sign for me that announced that I would be there. It read: 'This Weekend - From Zojirushi - MORGAN STANLEY, National Sales Manager, Retail Division - Product Demonstrations - Give-a-Ways! Sat, Sun 9am - 4pm...my name is morgan HALEY....i have photos - i'll bring them to work tomorrow and can share them if there is interest.....ah, the joy of having a 2 girls names as my full name - and i'm a dude.... ;-)
- Morgan Haley
Me and my new pillow
Thomas Hawk, Carmen, Steven Perez and 44 other people liked this
Aww
- Rodfather
The resemblance is scary
- Steve C
haha steve...yes I was born from 2 rss feeds :)
- (jeff)isageek
HTML is my Dad, so I'm just a hot, old mess!
- Mike Lewis
i am one with my streams. I am the neo of the internet stream :)
- (jeff)isageek
Sweetness
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Don't 'feed' on it in your sleep!
- Martin Bryant
now i can dream of my rss feeds at night :)
- (jeff)isageek
where did you get the pillow from?
- Bryan Lee
etsy.com just search for rss pillow on there
- (jeff)isageek
thanks
- Bryan Lee
woww good
- Nimaa
oh i like that, cute!
- Susan Beebe
If Firefox or your fav web browser decided to start charging it's users, would you pay? If yes, how much? Monthly or Yearly?
Nicholas James, edythe, ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0, and 10 other people liked this
No.
- © b e e n s w a n k
No, because there would always be another decent browser to change to
- Arthur Guy
It's open source. We'd just fork off a free version.
- Morton Fox
No, why pay for something that is already free, and good
- Jose Manuel
Brandon, can you elaborate?
- Shawn Hickman
probably not...they do make a killing off of search revenue anyway.
- Anthony Feint
Shawn, there are certain products that I can't justify paying for, such as a web browser. A one time charge may be considered but, a monthly/annual premium is out of the question.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I will never pay for a browser ;-)
- diego morelli
I think the only browser I would even consider paying for is FireFox, but even then I don't think I would. It's interesting to think what would happen if browsers started to do this.
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn- My thoughts exactly. Especially when considering the fact that our favorite web browsers are our primary means of accessing the internet. Imagine if we were all subject to using IE.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Brandon, that would be the scariest thing on the planet. I think I'd rather pay Microsoft to stop making IE than actually have to use it.
- Shawn Hickman
Not only the scariest but, the most insulting thing ever.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I bought OmniWeb because I liked the company and I wanted to support their development efforts. I rarely use it, though.
- cecily
Cecily- Never heard of it prior to your mentioning.
- © b e e n s w a n k
Cecily, how much was it? I can find the pricing on their website
- Shawn Hickman
Cecily, why don't you use it? Which Browser do you use now?
- Shawn Hickman
Omniweb is free now, they refocussed development efforts on their other products. Omniweb is still available and may get occasional improvements, but they no longer want to put in the effort required for an actively sold product.
- DGentry
No.
- Vincent van Wylick
No, I wouldn't pay for a web browser. That is a lingering aftereffect of cutting off Netscape's air supply I guess, I now expect highly sophisticated and actively developed web browsers to be free.
- DGentry
I wouldn't pay for FF as it stands, but I might consider paying for premium features, but they would have to be pretty compelling...
- David Sky
DGentry, thanks. I was starting to think that it was free
- Shawn Hickman
David, what kind of features would compel you to pay?
- Shawn Hickman
If it was FireFox, yes. I need the power that it provides for the consumers. How much? Well, without any limitations then I would pay around $20 per month.
- Stephen
Stephen, do you have any limitations now with FF?
- Shawn Hickman
No.
- xero
never
- Yunus Tunak
Maybe a small one-time fee for Firefox but not monthly or yearly licenses. There are always other options available, and since PCs come with a pre-loaded browser, there isn't a compelling need to pay for one.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Shawn, not sure really what additional features I'd pay for... Service is often the 1st choice, but that doesn't really apply to browsers. I'd rather not turn FF extensions into an Apple App Store model, but maybe premium plugins?
- David Sky
Why do people see a browser as something that should be free but other software as things they are willing to pay for. WE probably spend more time using a browser than most other types of software.
- Jamie Vidamour
Jamie, that is why I asked this question. The Browser is the app on my computer that I use more than anything, and I think the same could be said for majority of people. So it's interesting to see that most people wouldn't pay for it, including myself. I think we are under the impression that most things on the Internet should be free
- Shawn Hickman
David, I like that idea for premium plugins, but why not an Apple App store model?
- Shawn Hickman
oh boy I guess not...I'd quickly change my mind for another one with tons of addons..though it does not exist nowdays. So maybe we would just have to pay if they were likely to charge, no??
- novoseek
No, i would choose other browser.. (google chrome for exemple :))
- green-creeper
novoseek, you make a good point. FF is the only one with really good extensions right now, and Chrome will soon be catching up, but other than that what is there?
- Shawn Hickman
no
- Russ Jackson
No
- Thomas Hawk
I don't think so no. Software has gotten commoditzed for me pretty heavily. I don't use commercial software most of the time save maybe video games. AFAIAC subscriptions are for services not software. FWIW, the only company that could start charging for their browser is Microsoft, Firefox and Chrome's codebases are all open source.
- matthew john ernisse
No
- Yuvi
No I wouldn't start paying as Windows (which I'm on) comes with IE8 which works great already
- Lars Varming
No. FF would never repeat Netscape's mistake anyways. It's beyond me how Opera gets away charging for the Mini edition.
- Adi
Adi, Opera may get away with it because mobile browsing still sucks on most phones. I know FF is working on their own mobile browser, but unless you have an iPhone you don't have many options for browsing the mobile web
- Shawn Hickman
One of the biggest reasons why people stick to firefox is add-ons, which are, for the most part, created by community members. So even if they started charging users, the add-ons would surely disappear, or, since mozilla is open source, they would just fork into something else and keep it free.
- adam garrett
Adam, what if FF allowed devs to charge for the extensions that they create?
- Shawn Hickman
@Shawn, yeah I agree but talk about an opportunity to make Opera the de-facto browser on WinMo/S60. Now with Fennec on the horizon, Skyfire and whatever MS cooking up in WM7 they'll be be drowned out by equally capable and free solutions.
- Adi
Yea, Opera did miss a really big opportunity. We can only learn from the mistakes of others:)
- Shawn Hickman
Would depend on what my option are.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim, do you have any options in mind?
- Shawn Hickman
The core is open source and free, so firefox would just end up alienating a huge portion of their users. and some of these devs are OSS nuts, myself included, so would just build their own addons. I'm really not answering the question, here. Just as I wouldn't pay for a file manager, I would not pay for a browser, even if it gave me the power to fart rainbows, . I've come to expect that these are apps that should just be there.
- adam garrett
Nope! They get enough money from search engines to get me to let them make money on my web habits
- Chad Albert
Shawn, I believe it was $19.95 USD, but don't quote me on it. The main thing I didn't like about it was the way they implemented tabs, and at the time I was pretty dependent on Firefox add-ons to block ads and for web development, and you can't use those addons on OmniWeb. But now I'm using Safari 4 which is fast and light compared to Firefox on my Mac and I won't look back. Oh, and OmniWeb is free now.
- cecily
No.
- Nation Hahn
Adam, I would pay anything to be able to fart rainbows:)
- Shawn Hickman
I love Firefox but would need some really super premium features to pay - sad but true.
- Pon
never
- ◄ani625Ξ
Opera used to charge too, way back when.
- Morton Fox
Never, it should stay free for mankind to use, and I mean at the level web pages are. I mean, all the pages are read in two ways, and that, what I think, is the basis of that 'freedom' (view source). Without that essential freedom of look, parsing, editing, viewing, mashing, and representation/using, that wouldn't be that available. And its developments (Browsing Industry/Internet) in...
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- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
So you think if firefox charged for extensions it would cripple the browser and make it too minimal? Do most users even use extensions or even now what they are? I don't think so. I think browsers are to bloated and hard to use for the average person.
- Shawn Hickman
I'd never pay for a browser, even Opera stopped charging for it's browser.. I just switch back to safari or camino, and when using a pc.. I'd use Opera..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I think browsers would have to get to the point of becoming the kind of software that stopped you in your tracks and made you say "Wow, how did I ever cope without that before!" Some FF add-ons have the "Wow!" factor, but FF itself? I guess without FF there would be no add-ons, but would you pay for the platform just to get access to them?
- Sam Ross
No, Free Safari and Chrome is much better.
- Vladimir Prudnikov
No.
- Nicholas James
@Shawn yeah I was trying to get an idea there of how a browser would plan some product pricing, and made an iteration of a plan to market different levels of use. And for the platform... mmm... let's say Firefox simply do that, and I have to pay to have access to extensions, which now have some way of being disabled from now on. I'd surely have a moment in that future where I'll...
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- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Developer fail. Build an app. Don't do due diligence/QA on it and punish your customers because of it. Brilliant! Spymaster = FAIL!
Richard ¿digame? Walker, Alfredo, Jorge Escobar and 16 other people liked this
Well, looks like I won't be posting that Spymaster video I made
- Bwana ☠
:(
- Alex Scoble
Do you pay to play Spymaster?
- Colin
No.
- Alex Scoble
What specific issue are you referring to?
- Amit Morson
The fact that their "Swiss Bank Account" feature was completely broken. In the game, you could send someone (or yourself, doesn't matter) else an amount and not only would it not take that amount out of your account, but you would ALSO get that amount put in your "liquid cash". It's the type of bug that should have been found by the dev team through 5 minutes of playing. Shows a complete lack of QA.
- Alex Scoble
Sounds like basic functionality. There must be some kind of explanation.
- Amit Morson
Agree Alex. It's a huge bug and now the devs have wiped out our bank accounts because of their bug. Not right. Still waiting for my money to return [and I never used the bug].
- Kol Tregaskes
And yes the bug should really have been found early on. Back when I was a tester if we had missed something like that we would have bee slaughtered.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yeah...I'm done with it. The devs lost my trust, so there's no point in putting time in to it again.
- Alex Scoble
based on what happened in our room yesterday just before the ban it is obvious that we are dealing with amateurs. they have never been put in this position and when they the ish was handed to them, they folded and in turn folded on their players. huge fail.
- Carlos Ayala
Lost my trust as well. #1 rule in RPGs is: Thou shalt not roll back. They did it without flinching. I won't waste my time with them or promote them.
- Bwana ☠
They're in beta. There was a bug. They fixed it. What's the problem? That you lost some money in a fictional game where there really is no point? On top of that, I watched a video on how to send money to yourself, and it didn't look like they were sending money to themselves because they put in different numbers, so I'm not quite sure how it even worked - or how someone would be able to test for that bug. Isn't this the whole point of BETA?
- Blake
Blake, the bug happened ANYTIME you sent money to ANYONE. It would have been very EASY for the devs to simply give an account of theirs money to test that the swiss bank feature would work at all properly. It didn't work...AT ALL. Because of this I got my account reset! Through ZERO fault of my own. And sorry, but I'm not going to go crawling back to them begging to be put back to the...
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- Alex Scoble
Hmmm, so it's dead before it's started? Are the Devs on FF? Are they listening?
- WorldofHiglet
They are on FF, WoH and they are listening enough to use it as an indicator that there's a bug, but not enough to actually talk to the community here.
- Alex Scoble
I don't even think they did any Alpha testing tbh I think they built and launched.
- Nicholas James
Okay, so is there any implication for twitter accounts being compromised at all?
- WorldofHiglet
That's a good question, WoH...but I think that depends on the twitter API more than on Spymaster.
- Alex Scoble
What do you expect from a game on Twitter?
- Rutger Blom
The same experiences that I had with games on Facebook, Rutger. For it to work and for the devs to treat people fairly.
- Alex Scoble
Obviously
- Rutger Blom
Tweet noisy "addictive" game... played on a glitchful addictive API, not really interesting, i'm at level 6 and had enough
- Majento
This is one of those games where you need tons of in-game followers in your party to advance, right?
- Stephen Mack
It certainly helps, Stephen.
- Alex Scoble
Heh Alex! But is it like those FB Vampire and Mafia games where you hit a point where you can't do the quests unless you have a certain number of people in your party?
- Stephen Mack
Yes, Stephen, but the requirements are actually for other people who play the game to and are fairly low. And it's easy to get those people in to your network, if you so desire.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I guess I didn't fully understand how the bug worked in the system. Either way, I wasn't affected by it, but now that I'm up to level 10, I fail to see where they could possibly take this. They suggest people to assassinate, but I consistently lose because I don't follow anyone and everyone on Twitter. I think they'll have a real problem with people continuing to play. It was fun for a day, but now it's just boring and repetitive.
- Blake
Yep, Blake, but never underestimate the power of the OCD crowd. :)
- Alex Scoble
Spymaster sucks!
- Jim Connolly
It appears that people on my network don't play the game. How exactly do you get people to your network without spamming Twitter?
- Amit Morson
Amit...that's a trade secret. For $39.95 I will tell you the amazing secrets to gain new friends on Twitter and to turn it in to your personal engine of gain! (Actual results may vary and your individual returns are not guaranteed)
- Alex Scoble
@Alex, will you turn me into an expert SEO and super-affiliate-marketer while at it?
- Amit Morson
That would be the $99.95 package, Amit.
- Alex Scoble
Anyhow, it's easy to get people in to your spy network. You search for #spymaster and follow anyone there that is ACTUALLY playing the game and looks like they will follow you back. I especially like the people who are following like 30-50 people and have less followers. Means they are pretty likely to follow me back. Kol and I got up to 210 spymasters using this method. No spamming necessary.
- Alex Scoble
And with refollow it's easy to weed out people who aren't following back and start again.
- Alex Scoble
Only if you through in penis enlargement pills, a university diploma without study and cheap pharmacy access...
- Amit Morson
Yeah sure...they won't be legitimate, but sure!
- Alex Scoble
Sorry, Dave, but the "how to run your own phishing/fraud campaigns" package is $999.95.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah what Dave said.
- Amit Morson
ROFL.
- Alex Scoble
What's funny is that in this thread, I do give the actual method I used. :) My gift to you. Free of charge.
- Alex Scoble
ah, you want a levelling up service? I can offer that for the princely sum of $15.42 per week and the passwords to your twitter account, your facebook, your email and your mothers maiden name. top level garaunteed (some conditions such as heart palpatations, skin rash and lack of money in your real swiss bank account are purely coincidental and not a result of your frequenting our power levelling services, this does not affect your complaining rights).
- alphaxion
I'm kind of glad I did not get into the spymaster thing. I have no time anyway, much less if it's buggy.
- Rick Cogley
12 Bizarre Car Anti-Theft Devices - http://somethinamazing.blogspot.com/2009...
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Live4Emma (L4S), Lars Clausen, Mark Bockenstedt and 9 other people liked this
Not sure who would WANT to steal the green one though.
- Jeff P. Henderson
How close were we to the planes (F-18s) taking off from the #Nimitz ? This close! (Video) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
DAL, Rick Bucich, Andrew Nystrom and 69 other people liked this
We were literally in between rows of F-18s taking off from the USS Nimitz.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Wow!
- Jim Connolly
EWoah!
- Bas
WOW! Robert you are a lucky guy! :)
- TheHenry
Wow isn't even close to describing how cool this is. Plus, over video you can't experience the noise, the wind, the jet fuel smell, and the full HD experience (behind us planes are launching too, and there's just stuff happening all over when you're on the flight deck).
- Robert Scoble
I am surprised they let you get that close! Especially that second vid with the arresting wires just in front of your feet!
- Robert
You are the coolest !!
- Eddie Wayne
Robert: I was surprised too. Eddie, no, the pilots are the coolest. The skill (and confidence) it takes to land one of these at night is just freaking amazing. We got to hang out with the Pilots at night and they are really cool people. I gave each one a Poken and we had a lot of fun with that.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly they're not running background checks like they used to. ;)
- Brett Schulte
"...and the full HD experience..." That's real life high def right there.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
What did you use for video, Robert? Did the mic survive? :-O
- Ken Sheppardson
Does that look fun or what?
- Colin
Incredible video. Now I have Danger Zone playing in my head. What an awesome experience you all had. Mahalo for sharing!
- Nathan Kam
Ken: I was using a Canon 5D MKII with a 70-200 F2.8 lens for these with a R0DE microphone. The mic survived just fine. Colin: it was a total blast, but the highlight of the trip was taking off from the ship. What a rush and one that I'll never be able to totally explain. One of the guys just called it "dynamic." That about nails it. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Incredible Robert but what was the occasion? Not just anybody can have this experience.
- Colin Clarke
Wow, what a video.
- Mike Doeff
I think this would be one thing I would like to do before I die!
- petar vucetin
My dad was stationed on the Nimitz when I was little (he was a fighter pilot). I remember touring it as a kid and being amazed.
- mikepk
You need to add "Highway to the Danger Zone" as your soundtrack…
- Glen Mistletoe
Very Cool.
- John D Reasor
Ken: actually I was using a 16-35 F2.8 L series lens for most of the videos. Colin: the Navy brings many press and VIPs on board for this kind of "embark." The Navy is getting into Twitter and friendfeed and other social media and wanted us to get an upclose look at the ship and what 5,000 Navy sailors do while at sea. They know they can't do public tours so they bring people on board who can show off what they do to other people. Hope I did OK as your proxy.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, in this case I wish I didn't have a proxy :) Hopefully that day will come some day.
- Amit Nangare
It won't match being on a live aircraft carrier, of course, but the USS Midway is docked permanently in San Diego as a museum and open to the general public. http://www.midway.org/
- Frank Scavo
"Dynamic" !
- Harscoat
One more video that makes me feel compelled telling my accountant I really _need_ this camera... No 24p yet, but those are some damn fine lenses you can get, and not a hint of the "rolling shutter" syndrome, at least on not-close inspection.
- Oskar Lissheim-Boethius
Way cool! How did your lungs handle the jet exhaust?
- Jim Lavin
Jim: it didn't bother me too much. Being in a smoky bar is far worse.
- Robert Scoble
Dude I am x Navy that brings back memories... Go Scoble
- Chris Henderson
I was expecting to hear Kenny Loggins Danger Zone or some other Top Gun music as the bachground music. :-) Cool Video!
- John Wallace
amazing opportunity - trying not to be too jealous ;)
- Andrew Clinick
Makes me jealous, I've always wanted to be on a flightdeck of a carrier during operations.
- Jim Lavin
Jim: it's always been a dream of mine too. I've gone to many an airshow and always wanted to get on deck to see them shoot off a plane. The fact that I got to witness about 40 launches, a good many of them at night (those pictures didn't come out so well) was just a great thrill. Keep dreaming, sometimes dreams come true!
- Robert Scoble
I spent 10 years in the Air Force as a weather forecaster and I always loved to set out on the flight line and watch the jets take off. It is so fantastic to see them go from a dead stop to straight up in no time at all. Thanks for sharing the video and pics, you always seem to have so many neat things to share!
- Jim Lavin
Thomas Hawk, are you jealous yet? The bloggers embark on the USS Nimitz. Photos. Tons of them: - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Many more to come. By the way, the Navy wants to do another trip with social media people. My first recommendation to them? Thomas Hawk. He'd do a lot better than I did. Of course he'd have to drag along a 600 mm F4.0 lens (big ass lens) to get closer than I did. More photos coming in a few minutes (and some videos too).
- Robert Scoble
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Sorry for the duplication, I messed up. Heheh. Thanks Louis for the like twice.
- Robert Scoble
Ready to enlist?
- Andrew Leyden
Robert - How heavy is that huge lens?
- Susan Beebe
People laughed when I brought my 600 mm F4.0 lens (I rented it) on board. They aren't laughing anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: heavy. And I hauled it up a TON of stairs.
- Robert Scoble
I am so jealous you have no idea!
- Loic Le Meur
Andrew: I almost went into the Marines for six years as a photographer.
- Robert Scoble
Loic: you should go on the next trip. It's unbelieveable. It's like Davos but muliplied by 100x.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, it looks really impressive. What about the water? How do you protect it from harmful sea salt water?
- Susan Beebe
Loic: there's nothing like being 10 feet from an F-18 being catapulted off. Wait until you see the video.
- Robert Scoble
Susan: the water is 40 feed beneath the deck. I never even tasted salt. I see more salt in Half Moon Bay. What you have to worry about is hitting lenses when walking up the stairs and jet wash.
- Robert Scoble
On the trip was a former F-18 pilot too, so he helped a lot in our understanding.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - unfortunately you'll never get to see the F-14 at night, which was always something amazing. If possible, get close to an EA-6B on the Cat, it will rattle your teeth and you'll feel it in your gut (I worked on the flightdeck for 10 years as part of the COD crew).
- Vince DeGeorge
Stairwells are steep and narrow. My brother was a Navy Seal on that ship stationed in SD. Very cool rig! He was a medical rescue diver - jumped down out of helicopters to soldiers injured at sea and brought them back up for transport
- Susan Beebe
Get Thomas Hawk on there asap! :)
- Susan Beebe
Vince: I think we saw one of those, but we saw so many planes land and take off that I lost track. I'm back in the hotel. It was one of those experiences that very few people get to have and it totally changed my life. More on how later. It was a great thing to do just after Memorial Day.
- Robert Scoble
Pavan: out of all the experiences I've had, this is the one that sticks in my mind as the most interesting. Both because it was extraordinarily cool, but also because it is a huge responsibility. I was the eyes and ears for a huge number of tax payers, and seeing how their (my) money is being spent is interesting and a large responsibility.
- Robert Scoble
I can tell you - working on the flight deck, the excitement was ALWAYS there... I never got used to it. Of course, it's not exactly somewhere you want to feel comfortable. For any who haven't seen it, go here: http://www.pbs.org/weta... and watch Carrier. It appears they have the full episodes. Memories... now I'm ready to go back in!!!
- Vince DeGeorge
Robert, also remember, that most of that responsibility falls on kids barely out of high school. The military builds character and trains you like no other corporation in the world. A modern day manager with a $3 mil budget? Ha, how about an 18 year old kid that is responsible for a $30 mil dollar aircraft and the lives of those inside?
- Vince DeGeorge
Yes I'm jealous. Why was I not invited??? LOL Awesome you got to Robert. Truly fantastic!
- Sheryl
Those are some stellar shots you got Robert.
- Jason Hansen
This was a PR event put on by the Navy I take it?
- David Lloyd
Show the world what a modern service it is now and how they are all up on blogging and stuff for recruitment? :p
- David Lloyd
jealous yes, looks great
- Kim Landwehr
Vince: the sailors I talked to didn't like the PBS special. They said they only put on disgruntled employees. Mark: yes, they fly VIPs, bloggers, journalists onto the carrier for these embarks so that they can get the word out about what the carrier is like. Pavan: thanks, I'm still uploading.
- Robert Scoble
WOW. I can't wait to see the video.
- Schneider Mike
Robert, I agree - they didn't exactly put on the best sailors, but it did give VERY GOOD insight to what carrier life is like. You have to see through some of the drama (though, believe me - there IS that drama in the Navy). I don't know, I may have a different skew on things. I wasn't what was called "Boat Chuck" - I was aviation, which is a little different world - even further, I was CODs, making it even more so.
- Vince DeGeorge
The video will be up after dinner. I got more than 100 photos up to look at in the meantime.
- Robert Scoble
Robert awesome pix. what lenses did u bring? 70-200 IS, wide angle, 600 mm, can u give us a list of what u used? easier than going into "more properties" on Flickr for a ton of photos
- Elliott Ng
I had a 16-35 F2.8 L Series, a 70-200 F2.8 L Series, and a 600 mm F4.0 L Series. I also had a 50 F1.4 for the night stuff.
- Robert Scoble
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK
- Jason Pollock
Looks like that 600mm came in handy! I'm green with envy. Looks like a great opportunity and everyone had a blast.
- Jim Goldstein
Nice Photos Scobleizer!
- JimmyJet
Awesome! Sign me up! Love it! Great photos!
- Thomas Hawk
Did they let you shoot anywhere you wanted or were some areas off limits?
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas: only two things were off limits: the nuclear power plant and the room where they were playing war games. Everything else was OK to shoot.
- Robert Scoble
very cool. What a fantastic opportunity to shoot. Loved the photos, faved a bunch of them.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm available to cadie
- Mrsth
Civil jealousy. Must be so awesome. Your a Navy Lottery winner.
- Harry
Harry. This beats a private tour of the White House. My connectivity sucks so can't get the videos up until tonight.
- Robert Scoble
The sad and grumpy life - http://ajbatac.posterous.com/the-sad...
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Alex, я был в лесу, Phil Smirnov and 25 other people liked this
That is so true.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Well that's life!........................in a flash!
- Kevin J Hatton
Yup Kevin, life is short
- AJ Batac
Me too, my friend. Me too....
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I'm horribly tempted to ask the guy if he's had any offers. The curiosity, it's killing me!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i'm gonna post something similar
- Lokei Atikus™®
I'm certain that he hasn't had any legit offers. those that would give probably wouldn't be on craigslist...
- Morgan Haley
YES! Hulu Desktop! - http://www.hulu.com/labs...
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ohhhhhh nice
- Craig Eddy
Minimum requirements: Intel Pentium Core Duo 1.8GHz At least 2.0 GB of RAM Windows XP or later 2 Mbps Internet connection. That is one piggy application.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Talk about good marketing. The first thing that played when the app ran was Fox's "Glee" which I was suckered into watching the entire thing. I have to watch this show from now on.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
So does this mean that they will be in a media war with BeeBox and other media players?
- Bluesun 2600
I wonder: is there a bias against posts on FF that came from Twitter vs. those that originate on FriendFeed? I see far more activity from FFers when I post here directly as opposed to when my tweets get imported. Thoughts?
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Some people have tweets globally hidden. I do it only very selectively for tweets of very noisy (and low signal) tweeters.
- LogEx
As it should be. The 140 character limit does not allow one to get their ideas across very well.
- Alex Scoble
I hide all Twitter entries until someone likes or comments on it
- Mark Bockenstedt
I agree many people hide all Twitter posts (I do).
- Brian Sullivan
If I see a post from Twitter, I have no idea if the poster is actually here to participate in discussion or just dump their Twitter feed. I'm less likely to comment on a Twitter post because of that. If I see a post from FF, I know the user is active on FF and is here to participate in discussion. I'm more likely to comment and engage them.
- Rochelle
But sometimes random Twitter posts can be great fodder for a FF discussion, regardless of whether the originator has a clue about it ;-)
- LogEx
I found Twitter posts often were disjointed parts of other conversations that I was not party to -- it got annoying and distracting so I hid them all -- makes my FF stream much quieter and more sane.
- Brian Sullivan
Very interesting. That explains a lot. I've had some extremely witty tweets lately that have gotten no play over here... I guess I need to just adopt FF as my permanent Twitter client, eh? ;-)
- Joey Gibson
Is wittytweets.com taken yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
I tend not to like or comment on twitter posts if it looks like the poster is more active on twitter and not so active on FriendFeed - or unless it's someone I know. I'm trying to figure out how to hide twitter posts - How do I do this? Ultimately I would like the option of turning twitter on or off - How do I get a feed that contains only FriendFeed posts?
- Chris Loft
The Hide function lets you hide particular posts or those from a person or service.
- Brian Sullivan
Syracuse teen whose arm is broken wants to handle punishment himself - syracuse.com - http://www.syracuse.com/news...
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"A Syracuse teen who was pushed off his bicycle Tuesday refused to provide information to police because he "doesn't snitch and will take care of it myself," according to police reports. Tyler Derinski, 16, of Leavenworth Avenue, was taken to University Hospital after being injured in the assault which happened shortly before 4 p.m. in the 100 block of Eastwood Road. He told officers he has known the suspect for about seven years and thought they were friends. Investigators can't make an arrest without Derinski identifying the perpetrator, reports said. Derinski said he will rely instead on "karma.""
- Cristo
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Wow. Apparently there are some non-crybaby kids still out there worthy of respect.
- Cristo
no snitchin'!
- Cee Bee
RT @Paisano New Twitter Reality Show revealed: "So You Think You Can Tweet" judges @Scobleizer as Randy @iJustine as Paula & @Loic as Simon.
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I see Scoble being a better cynical ass than Loic actually. that and nobody can understand Randy or Loic
- Mark Bockenstedt
OK, how do you apply to be a contestant?
- Karma Martell
There really is going to be a twitter reality show called "So you think you can tweet"??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Love it, how does the parton saint of Twitter (@aplusk) think about it?
- Shane Tilton
This might just be fantasy - @kwashnak: posted - kwashnak: Just what the world needs - Twitter Television: http://bit.ly/KtvXM American Tweeter? So you Think You Can Tweet? #twittertv {this just leads to a Variety article http://www.variety.com/article... - about Twitter's partnership with Reveille and Brillstein Entertainment to develop an unscripted TV described as "putting ordinary people on the trail of celebrities in a revolutionary competitive format."
- Chris Loft
. . . and @Cristinellaa posted - Cristinellaa: @connectingwomen @queenofspain Can we talk to people about getting "So you think you can Tweet" to air during the fall primetime line-up ?--- but I don't know what primetime show they are talking about.
- Chris Loft
That ship looks a little too close to shore! - http://bi.gazeta.pl/im...
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If that isn't 'chopped than they beached that there ship.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Beached in 2007, according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Ben Wern
Hmnn. So whom in Newcastle remembers..."Blame it on the Pasha Bulker"?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
How to get attention at a Twitter conference? Walk in with the biggest lens. @140tc Details on what I was doing: - http://img32.imageshack.us/my...
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This weekend I am going on an aircraft carrier so I rented a 600mm F4.0 lens for my Canon 5D MKII from Keeble and Shuchat photography in Palo Alto (costs $300 to rent, costs about $8,000 to buy) and I brought it into the Twitter Conference today where it turned lots of heads. This photo is by @pkitano
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
That pic makes me laugh - awesome - it would get you noticed.
- Robert Freeze
I'd like to take one of those to Yellowstone with me some time
- Jesse Stay
"Well you can tell by the way I use my walk..."
- Johnny Worthington
Is that a BIG lens or are you just happy to be Twittering?
- Clifford Kennedy
Looks like someone's compensating... :P
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
What kind of pics did you take with it at the conference?
- Robert Freeze
Should be interesting going through airport security with that. :) Will that even fit in the overhead compartment?
- Gil Francisco III
Robert Freeze: I'll post some shortly. Really awesome closeups. Gil, yeah, it will. Comes in a nice case.
- Robert Scoble
Cool...closeups
- Robert Freeze
Amanda: it's all about compensating! I want to have a bigger lens than Guy Kawasaki! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Other photos of me with my lens: http://friendfeed.com/search... Yet another way to show off friendfeed's search!
- Robert Scoble
Is the size of your lense about how much authority you have?
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, I see a lot of men buying these when they turn 40... ;)
- Jorge Escobar
I think you achieved your noble goal, Robert. :D That is the Enzyte of lenses.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Jesse: it sure lets you take great Twitter avatar photos of people from across the room!
- Robert Scoble
I bet you could see Utah with that thing
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that the same lens they use in the Hubble telescope?
- imabonehead
imabonehead: that lens is just slightly bigger. Heheh. By the way, I just uploaded some more photos from today so you can see some of the long lens magic: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
All those pocket jokes come to mind...Robert you crave attention so the lense is merely a prop :) Oh my what a big lense you have...LOL!
- Owen Greaves
Leather: I shoot everything in RAW and JPG. I upload the JPGs.
- Robert Scoble
more attractive then Paris, for me :)) LOL
- Hüseyin Mert
Leather: yeah, yeah. You try doing white balance while carrying around a big lens. Anyway, that's what Lightroom is for. I only upload my photos PRE processing. If you want them processed you can pay for them. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
next time, you need to get the biggest sigma lens you can to maintain that record :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Good choice on your camera, highly praised for HD videos.
- polou/indigo_bow
The "largest lens thing" IS a man thing. For some guys. Usability, Adequacy with needs, Efficiency come into play for other guys. A 50mm ("fixed") with a nice aperture is a good choice for "on the fly" shoots.
- Zackatoustra
Man, that's a real heavy gun. With this one, you could easily take pictures of Astro_Mike sending tweets from space.
- Nir Ben Yona
that's... great! :D
- Alberto D'Ottavi
Awesome! related stuff here --> http://ff.im/3e8U8
- Roshan Ramachandran
Robert: Carrying that all day would solve my workout worries, the only problem my brother would probably ninja ambush me to grab it for his own star gazing/animal photography needs. Awesome camera man, will look forward to the imagery content it shall provide.
- Mark Essel
Some people never get enough attention.
- T.S. Elliott
oddly the same things happens to me at my daughters ballet recital with only a 200 f2.8
- Chris Patterson
Are those lens heavy?
- ashish
That's just a little bit on the other side of insane. I'd kill for a lens half that size.
- Donald Forth
I bet you buy the Magnum XLs, too :p
- Peter Warnock
That works at gay bars too. Oh wait....not lenses.
- sean808080
C.R.E.A.M.
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Donald Knuth is so revered among computer scientists that they won't cash his checks. Knuth offers a standard reward of $2.56 (one "hexadecimal dollar") to the first finder of each error in his published books. Since 1981 he has written more than $20,000 in checks, but most of the recipients have simply framed them as points of pride. "There's one man who lives near Frankfurt who would probably have more than $1,000 if he cashed all the checks I've sent him," Knuth said in an October 2001 lecture. "Even if everybody cashed their checks, it would stil be more than worth it to me to know that my books are getting better."
- Cee Bee
Blurs the bank logo, but leaves the routing/account number and bank name intact?
- Matthew DeVries
Wondered exactly the same thing, Matthew. Probably no longer an active account since it's a 10 year old check.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Good Lord I hope it's not an active account. Stanford U. could be out a lot of money if some Nigerian prince stumbles on this.
- Craig Eddy
What kind of brush/pen was he using?
- Hiro Asari
That looks like a well used Flair felt tip pen to me
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Knuth had to close this checking account years ago, for exactly that reason. He now writes "personal certificates of deposit to each awardee's account at the Bank of San Serriffe, which is an offshore institution that has branches in Blefuscu and Elbonia on the planet Pincus." I.e. not real checks - as it turns out, only about 3% of the checks he wrote were ever cashed. People kept them as souvenirs. See his update at http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth... for more details.
- DGentry
thanks for the scoop!
- Cee Bee
Thanks, Tina.
- Hiro Asari
This was in Mental Floss recently :-)
- David Knight
Eat a bag of dicks, California evangelists.
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I noticed several people liked this, but don't know what you mean. Could you clarify in the comments?
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm guessing Prop 8 still stands?
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Yep.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Fuck
- Lindsey is Fierce!
REALLY?
- D. Eda Goze
Freakin' take a stand one way or the other! Either let everybody or nobody have same-sex marriages. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? It's just a legal contract in the end (from the government perspective). <sigh>
- CAJ, somewhere else
this is extremely upsetting. F****!!
- D. Eda Goze
OK, I guess it's what I thought - just a jab at California Christians that believe marriage should be man+woman over the court's decision to uphold Prop 8. You guys should get together and burn some crosses in their yards.
- Jason Nunnelley
Labeling California "evangelists" is just wrong. Like it or not, the people voted not to support it. That is more than just a couple of "evangelists"
- Spencer
Jason, California Christians are free to act on their beliefs in their own lives, but why do some of them feel so compelled to infringe others' rights and happiness?
- LogEx
Sounds like they'd like to burn something other than crosses, Jason.
- Craig Eddy
LOL Akiva that makes me feel better :) just a 'lil
- sofarsoShawn
Spencer, you're right. I shouldn't narrow it down to just California. All evangelists and proselytizers can eat a bag of dicks. Better?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I don't get it. When did the constitution change from 2004? http://www.redorbit.com/news... I thought there were anti-discrimination provisions.. wtf..
- Rodfather
I guess the polygamists don't stand a chance, either.
- Craig Eddy
I think this issue is way more than Christians. I mean, even Obama is against gay marriage.
- Spencer
Craig, no, which is nutty because polygamy isn't considered bad by the Torah.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Spencer, Obama's a Christian.
- Akiva Moskovitz
IMHO, the problem is that the evangelical community outspent and outmanuvered the anti-prop-8 folks and generally did their best to mislead the public. They did it because they knew if California voted down prop-8, they'd really lost and also because everybody was distracted by not having a republican in the white house.
- Wirehead
I'm not really sure if there's a better word to describe the dogtwat section of Christianity that's nice and short and memorable, so evangelical would have to do, I guess.
- Wirehead
I don't agree with you much Akiva but I'm with you all the way on this one.
- Jeff Jones
Heh. Uh, thanks, Jeff.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@LogicalExtremes Are Christians in California denying homosexuals the right to live as they see fit? Don't conflate Christians with a political ideology or "marriage" with unions. The issue some Christians take is the word itself. Call it something else, like civil union, and you lose 99% of the friction. But, [gay marriage] isn't simply about living happily and unmolested. The movement wants to force religious groups to "accept" them. It's a cultural conflict, by design.
- Jason Nunnelley
I respectfully disagree, Jason. Calling the civil-recognized legal pairing marriage was a historical accident, but we're stuck with it. Were people centuries ago to have had perfect foresight, they would have called the whole thing a "civil union" and left "marriage" to the churches. But they didn't, so you've got "Marriage the civil thing" and "Marriage the religious thing". And...
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- Wirehead
Saying that you are OK with it being civil unions but not marriage is like saying that Obama is smart for a black guy.
- Wirehead
@Wirehead So, if I don't want to wed someone in my church because my doctrine clearly states I can't do that, I'm a bigot. That's what you're saying. So, all Christians (including Obama himself) are bigots. Some churches won't perform weddings for people that are previously married to other people. Are they also bigots, or only bigots if they won't wed same-sex partners?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I fail to see how the state recognizing marriage has implications for your church. The procedure and requirements that I have to follow to be married in the Catholic Church exist for me as a person of faith, not for me as a citizen. The procedure and requirements that I have to follow to be legally married by my state are completely different. My Church doesn't have to marry non-Catholics; my state does.
- joey
No, Jason, what I'm saying is that the Catholic church (or any other, for that matter) continues to reserve the right to not recognize a marriage for a wide variety of reasons. There are reasons why they will refuse to marry a man and a woman. We are talking about marriage in the eyes of the law, which already recognizes my marriage in the same terms as somebody who got married in Vegas by an Elvis impersonator.
- Wirehead
Jason, I think you've fallen for the typical lies and misinformation from organizations like NOM and other fear-mongering propagandists. Those of us trying to secure our rights don't care a whit about what churches do or don't do. What we're looking for is the same rights and privileges that opposite-sex couples who are "married" get. It is all about the public sphere and nothing about...
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- S. Charles Balazs
Well-put, joey.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And relying on religion for defending your thoughts doesn't work for me. I'm not religious and don't follow any doctrine other than my own, which is based on respect, kindness, and love. Telling me I'm going to hell based on where I'd like to place my genitals is weak and doesn't work if you don't believe in hell to begin with, so outside of that, what else do you have?
- Derrick
@Derrick. Well, like anything, your belief in it has little bearing on whether it exists or not. Of course that cuts both ways. I think we've commented on this before that hell, also, may just be simply separation from God (we're assuming God exists here, I know, but bear with me). As such, we're, in essence, in hell right now. It really has nothing to do with your genitals (as...
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- Kevin Kuphal
Kevin, I hear where you're coming from and clearly you have a religious sensibility that I A) lack and B) am fine with. But this is also California. How presumptuous is it to think that everyone is a Christian and believes in Jesus? What a slap in the face to Buddhists, Jewish people, Muslims, etc. I don't doubt your commitment to God and I think that faith is a wonderful thing. I wish...
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- Derrick
*nods* Totally agree with your last there, Derrick.
- Kevin Kuphal
It is unfortunate that emotions sometimes overwhelm us. This is a perfect example of bad law. For the the record I believe the word "marriage" should be removed from any federal, state and local law and the word "marriage" should have no legal standing. The logical part is that the population of California voted to amend the state constitution and the state Supreme Court has said that what the voters voted will stand. Isn't that how our republic is supposed to work?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
No, Mark. Voters should not be able to directly create laws in a republic. That's what the legislative branch is for.
- Alex Scoble
The sad part, MVB, is that the majority shouldn't be able to vote out minorities from anything. It isn't what this country was founded on or what it should stand for.
- Kevin Kuphal
No, Mark. The constitution--at least, the federal one--was designed more to protect the rights of minorities (taken in the broad sense of "those who are in the minority" rather than the racial/ethnic sense) than to propagate democracy, of which the framers were suspicious at best.
- Steve Lowe
On a more serious note, does anyone actually own such a bag. And, why?
- S. Charles Balazs
Marriage is a purely religious institution and thus ought not be regulated by the state in any way. Let churches do whatever they want (and don't want) to do. However, it's going to take us many generations to evolve into that awareness. So in the meantime, since so many civil rights are conferred upon couples (by governmental and private organizations) who opt to marry/civil-une, they...
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- Anthony Citrano
@Alex Evidently in California it is possible. @Kevin I agree. This is a bad law to begin with. @Steve The federal constitution is by design discriminatory in that it provides for many decisions to be made by majority rule.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Akiva, I can tell you're upset, but your expletive made me laugh. That's a good one. :-)
- Joey Gibson
@joeybean @wirehead @scbalazs I view the state's business as purely secular, and wish it were so because I don't consider the state my religion's friend. But, I'm trying to tell people how to get along. Want to pass same-sex unions, call it something besides marriage. If you can't handle that because you want religious people to call your relationship marriage, then it's no longer a...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@acitrano I happen to agree with you, that government shouldn't participate in marriage. But, I think government shouldn't tell me what to do in regards to all sorts of things, as our government works to take upon itself more and more of my personal decisions. But, what "rights" are conferred upon a marriage couple that a simple contract can't institute. Besides I oft wish I could avoid the marriage penalty I pay in federal taxes. Is that a privilege anyone else would want?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I still don't buy locking down a word. To Catholics, marriage is a sacrament. Should I say that Protestants can't call what they have a marriage or that atheists can't call what they have a marriage because they don't define the word the same way Catholics do? And what about people who don't speak English? Can my gay friends have what I can have as long as it has a different etymology?
- joey
I like the way they do this in Netherlands (and other civilized places): Everyone has to go to the court system for a legally binding union that has all the rights included. If you want to get married, go head on to your church of choice, but the marriage has no legal basis. Solves a lot of problems.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@joeybean Saying they have the "right" to call their union [marriage] is a position of faith. The argument that it can't be called marriage is also a position of faith. If the goal were purely a physical one, this wouldn't be the argument. It's a spiritual war, a social conflict. It's not good enough for Christians to leave same-sex couples unmolested. It's not good enough that they enjoy legal rights. Christians must use the word you dictate to describe the union, and embrace it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Can someone also tell me why polygamists and same-sex marriages are lumped in with each other? Apples and oranges. I dare say same sex marriage has more to do with my parent's heterosexual marriage than those who practice polygamy.
- Derrick
But Jason, I already have to accept that Mainline Protestants, Evangelical Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and heterosexual Atheists have the right to use that word...and they don't mean it the same way I do. Some of them, not even close. Do I have to embrace it? Not at all. What I have to do is acknowledge that I don't own a word that has taken on secular meaning.
- joey
@joeybean Because Catholics didn't establish the country, its laws or our principals social structure. Protestants did. Catholics are the minority. This comes from English common law (not Catholic) and American tradition (not Catholic). Sorry, I'm dealing with reality and it's often harsh and immovable. If you enjoy arguing, continue to fight the public on the use of this word for unions between two people of the same sex. If you want success, just side step it.
- Jason Nunnelley
And I love being ignored, too. Thanks for that.
- Derrick
@geekandahalf [Derrick] it's because eroding the social definition has consequences. You can't make an argument for same sex marriage and argue against polygamy. That's duplicitous. The norms that govern one govern the other.
- Jason Nunnelley
Derrick, it's because many people lump everything that's not a traditional marriage into one category. It's kind of how the world is divided into white people and not white people.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Derrick, I think that polygamy is lumped in with gay marriage because of the people who think that legalizing gay marriage would inevitably lead to legalization of other types of marriage, including polygamous marriages.
- Rochelle
Derrick, I think Akiva is right. Also, polygamy makes people jumpy and so lumping gay marriage with it creates a negative association.
- joey
Trust me - they are not only dicks where this issue is concerned.
- Rustic Thoughts
@joey - as if gay marriage doesn't make these same people jumpy? ;)
- Anthony Citrano
OK, @Akiva is calling me a racist again because I don't see the world exactly the same way. You're a very open minded thoughtful person. (insert sarcasm since you may not get it)
- Jason Nunnelley
Are you guys bigots against polygamists?
- Jason Nunnelley
Sorry, Jason, that's a leap that I just don't get. What does me marrying another man, someone I love and want to spend the rest of my time with, affect anyone else? Honestly, what difference does it make?
- Derrick
@geekandahalf [Derrick] is has the same effect as allowing polygamy: none on me personally. But, calling people who don't embrace the choices you make (for personal religious beliefs) a bunch of bigots and spewing hatred doesn't improve society. If you're on board for spreading hate for anyone that disagrees with you, then pick up your pitchfork and start killing believers. That's the...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@jason - I'm not. if three, four, five people want to marry, I don't care. It's simply not my business how they choose to live their lives or conduct their romantic / personal associations. Who am I to judge? While that's admittedly a tangent, it's in that same spirit that I strongly support Derrick's point. If two consenting adults want to get married, who the hell am I to judge or deny them?
- Anthony Citrano
As far as I know, there's no widespread movement to stop same sex couples from living together or living the life they desire. The only conflict is over a word. This is a decision by some (several here) to pick a fight with believers because you hate their beliefs and them as people. It's not about peace, getting along, or living your life unmolested. There are obvious compromises to get around these issues. I really think this is more about anger because people don't embrace your beliefs.
- Jason Nunnelley
I never called anyone a bigot, Jason. I don't hate religious folk, or evangelicals, or anyone of the sort. And all I want, all I've ever talked about, all I've ever said (go back through my thread if you don't believe me), is the same rights and freedom as anyone who's apparently heterosexual. Ask anyone, I'm a lover, not a fighter...even with those who have damned me to hell.
- Derrick
Jason, I used Catholicism as an example because they are very particular and rigid about a definition of marriage, but do you really think the Protestant view of marriage developed independently of the institution they broke away from? Or should I then not be able to use the word 'marriage' since I'm not Protestant? It works all ways. And if your argument is going to turn into...
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- joey
@geekandahalf [Derrick] Sorry, in context I'm talking about @Akiva who continually spews quite a bit of anger in the direction of believers and anyone else that doesn't agree with him. I didn't direct that part toward you.
- Jason Nunnelley
@joeybean My state is already quite out of step with my views. I didn't establish the rules, populism, democracy, etc. I've not disclosed how I define marriage but how most people do. And, if you want a democratic state on your side you'll have to get along with the majority, or kill them. I'd rather agree to disagree and sidestep the matter. But, that's me. I'm not in this fight. I'm just sharing a method that will lead you to victory.
- Jason Nunnelley
BTW, I don't have a problem with polygamy (someone else's definition of marriage doesn't change mine), but it would be more complex in terms of contract law, custody, and other things that the state would have to budget for.
- joey
I think the people that created this legislation are in for a world of woe. Equal rights and love for all.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I love him. He loves me. We want to get married. We can't. FAIL.
- Derrick
@geekandahalf [Derrick] Can you explain to me how a group of people accepting your union as marriage, calling it that, endorsing it, etc. changes your relationship? This is the part I don't understand.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, imagine someone legally taking away your marriage, calling it that, endorsing it, etc. How does that change your relationship. Hopefully that helps you understand.
- Derrick
Jason, your question was already directly answered a few zillion posts ago in this very thread: "I respectfully disagree, Jason. Calling the civil-recognized legal pairing marriage was a historical accident, but we're stuck with it. Were people centuries ago to have had perfect foresight, they would have called the whole thing a "civil union" and left "marriage" to the churches. But...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
And I'd rather educate and lobby and fight and hope that opinion changes or that the majourity does. I have no desire to inflict harm on people who have a different belief system than I do, but I do have a desire to make sure that belief system doesn't relegate others to life as second-class citizens. And I certainly don't want the state coming for my (hypothetical) marriage next...
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- joey
tl;dr version: Withholding the M word from certain unions puts the onus on them to slowly earn equal rights by overturning or rewriting one law at a time because so many existing laws specify "marriage". Allowing marriage circumvents all of those decades of additional legal hassle at the expense of what appears to be some bruised egos on the fundamentalist side.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@joeybean My only reason for using polygamy as a parallel is that you can't make a valid argument against it without using religious or social norms in an argument. We actually put people in prison for practicing a lifestyle that nobody can reasonable deny them. It's adults practicing a lifestyle they choose. It is parallel because it's people practicing a lifestyle they believe in when...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason - The polygamy argument conveniently safeguards marriage in its current form. Why shouldn't the status quo have to justify itself? To go further in the opposite direction - what right does *anyone* have to get married?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@dpritchett That's a valid argument. But, I don't know what these rights are. What "right" do I have by calling my marriage "marriage?" We have mutual obligations and encumbrances because we are married. But, I don't see the big advantage. We pay more tax, suffer more hassles if we go separate ways.
- Jason Nunnelley
Civil unions aren't currently afforded equal status with marriages. By insisting that non-hetero couples settle for civil-not-marriage-unions society implicitly condones a gap in the rights and status afforded to one class over another. Even if everyone accepts the "fine, but don't call it marriage" argument there is still a lot of ground to cover to afford equal protections to all unions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
1UP Daniel re: civil unions. Suggest a civil union to a heterosexual couple with those restrictions and they'd reject it too.
- Derrick
gonna track down the video Richard Bluestein did after his partner died. Gets the point across as to why marraige in the eyes of the law (not whatever buddy you call god) should be for EVERYONE that wants it. If you aren't moved by it you have no empathy for your fellow human.
- alphaxion
Separate but equal is impossible if only due to the administrative overhead of maintaining two slightly different copies of every law and form and register. Simple IT problem, eh?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@dpritchett @Derrick I'd take a nonyabusiness relationship w/ my government. Why do you want government so burried up in your life anyway? Nobody can tell me what these wonderful advantages are that married people enjoy under the law. Pay more tax, more encumbrances in the event of a split. Gene Simmons got it right when he said marriage is a bad deal.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I agree that we don't have the right to restrict. Where I can see the state having issues with polygamy from a practical perspective (not social norms) is with the complexity of contracts...who can sign in what situations and with what documentation, who can make medical decisions, what happens to children who have grown up with half-siblings, etc. in the event of divorce? I...
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- joey
Jason, I'd like the option. Currently I have none.
- Derrick
@Derrick, obviously I just don't see the advantage at all. I keep asking people to explain it to me, how it matters, what I'm enjoying that others can't. But, in regards to the state I just don't get it. It's an easy problem to overcome. But, both sides aren't willing to budge.
- Jason Nunnelley
got it.. http://www.youtube.com/watch... it's a very frank and to the point video. Would you like your love for your partner to be described in that way?
- alphaxion
just don't give up guys - water cuts even stones
- A.T.
Never, A.T.
- Derrick
Hetero example of why you need a legal marriage: a friend of mine married very young. They struggled to get through college together and would have been much better off single as far as housing etc. Soon after they graduated he was stricken with a fatal illness. She was his legal wife and could be there with him, sign documents, make medical decisions and eventually bury him. Had they not been married, just "living together," she would have had no legal rights at all.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
1UP m9m
- Derrick
@m9m That's not a valid example of how marriage is better than civil agreements. If he had given those powers to his wife she would have had them w/out a marriage certificate. I have the very same rights granted me through a legal document.
- Jason Nunnelley
It's a good example in that everyone knows what legal marriage means for that situation, whereas personal contracts can be more ambiguous. I won't have to present my marriage certificate should something happen to my fiance (G-d forbid), I will just have to say 'I'm his wife.'
- joey
There are some rights that can only be gained by marriage, not by any other contract. And here in Virginia, the ill-informed anti-marriage-equality crowd OK'd a law that restricts many such agreements between "non-related" people. The list of marriage rights is pretty commonly available, you can start with Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- S. Charles Balazs
Jason: I said "legal" marriage as in civil marriage. In many cases only immediate family counts - spouses and blood relatives. What happens in an emergency when no power-of-attorney forms have been issued? Just recently my uncle was in an accident, unable to name a representative. I could not even get the name of the hospital he was transferred to, could not find out his condition, and had to go through all kinds of legal hoopla to show I was his only relative. Imagine if it happened to your life partner.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
It's not just about a word, and it's not at all about religion. Jason, you may find it unfortunate that the state is involved in institutionalizing religion, but, unless the state gets completely out of it--essentially stripping everyone of these rights (where you wouldn't be able to visit your wife in the hospital because you're "not family")--then we need to apply the constitutional and judicial principles that we do in these issues.
- S. Charles Balazs
One last point that I'm loath to bring up but feel compelled. We're hearing a lot of statements about marriage equality that eerily repeat the same arguments against interracial marriage. Thankfully these were overturned in Loving v Virginia. We will likely have to have our day in Supreme Court as well. Patience and perseverance will yield justice and hopefully enlightenment.
- S. Charles Balazs
Equating race with sexuality is ludicrous. It's not the same thing at all.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, why not?
- Rochelle
No, equating sexuality with sexual orientation is ludicrous. Equating two things that are fixed by genetics (race and sexual orientation) is not ludicrous, it's perfectly valid and makes complete sense...unless you are a bigot.
- Alex Scoble
@itblogger OK, you're a bigot :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, can I ask you a question?
- Johnny Worthington
@rochelles I don't think I can convince you if you really believe it's fair to compare the "right" to be married to anyone you choose and it be recognized and called marriage by all to freedom from racially based slavery, segregation, et al. It's intentionally inflammatory and an immature comparison. You can't honestly compare what black people in America have suffered with what same sex couples suffer. It's just not the same thing at all.
- Jason Nunnelley
So you are saying that homosexual people have not had to deal with the same sorts of oppression as those of non-white races? They've never gotten beaten up for their orientation, nor killed, nor denied access to services that others take for granted? And don't call me a bigot when the shoe is on your foot.
- Alex Scoble
@Johnny Worthington You can ask whatever you like. But, this loose and mentally slothful accusation that anyone that doesn't line up with cosmopolitan views on marriage are all bigots is not winning anyone.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, why did I marry my partner?
- Johnny Worthington
Wow. Just wow.
- Rochelle
@itblogger You are a bigot. Dictionary.com has a clear definition of the word, and your statement reveals you're a bigot. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse...
- Jason Nunnelley
People who claim to be "open minded," and thoughtful people who spew hate and bigotry are behaving intellectually dishonest. [Most people in this conversation aren't doing that.] They try to make their points without dehumanizing those that disagree with them. But, some people just spout hate. It's cool, apparently, to spout hate so long as it's against people that aren't on the cool...
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- Jason Nunnelley
@FFundercat I don't know. I'm not sure what you're reasons are. Some people marry for convenience, some because they think the title means something or adds value to their relationship. I don't know, and I don't rely on the state to determine the value of my relationships. I appreciate your engagement, but this conversation (as a group) started as a cheering camp for anyone that agrees...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Yeah, how dare they agree with me. The nerve of some people.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva I've no problem with that. But, I've got nothing of value to add. I disagree with your hateful position and think spewing hate toward believers is counterproductive. But, do what you wish.
- Jason Nunnelley
Well, I'm quite comfortable saying that people who want to legally forbid homosexuals from having equal rights are bigots. People who don't care if some people have a religious problem with homosexuals having equal rights (because the issue is a secular, state one, not a religious one) are not necessarily bigots. (They might be bigots about something, but ignoring religious anxiety when it's a secular issue is not bigotry.)
- josh neff, geek at large
Sorry, Jason, but you are the person who made the claim that sexual orientation (actually you used a completely BS term for it) isn't the same as race or religion and shouldn't be protected as such...as such, the onus is on YOU to back up your claim. Not on us.
- Alex Scoble
I'm not spewing hate, Jason, and you're misusing the term. I disagree (and obviously rather strongly) with evangelism and proselytization. I'm not saying I hate evangelists. I'm not even suggesting that evangelists are second-classed citizens deserving of fewer rights than other citizens. In fact, if anyone's doing that around here, it's them. So, if you want to accuse someone of 'hate', I think you're talking to the wrong crowd.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jason, we are talking about denying citizens legal rights that other citizens have, purely based on religious motivations. That to me is a clear violation of the first amendment. If the laws were as they should be, civil union would be the legal contract, and marriage could be whatever people wanted it to mean in the context of their own beliefs. Unfortunately, that is not the structure...
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- LogEx
The reason I ask is that according to the current definition, I only married my wife because she is a woman. That is wrong. I am in love with the person, not the sexual organs. I love my wife so much and could not even entertain the idea of not being able to marry her because of the beliefs of another. I have very close friends who share the same love for each other, but are denied the...
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- Johnny Worthington
@Starbuck The camp position is that all Christians are morons, evil, and should be eradicated. You can easily side step them by simply not using language that's inflammatory. For some reason, that's not an option. @itblogger race and sexual orientation simply AREN'T the same thing, period. Recognizing that doesn't make me a racist. One is behavior, one is race. Calling anyone that...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, are you calling me camp? Dude, just because I support equal rights for queers doesn't make me camp!
- josh neff, geek at large
Why can't we use the same philosophy of Jesus (for the Christian groups) - Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.
- Janet
No, you haven't made your point, you've only proven mine. Thanks for playing though.
- Alex Scoble
I'll add, or reiterate, this is not about orientation. It's about choices and behavior, perhaps contract law. There's no law, no group, no movement afoot to stop same-sex couples from living a lifestyle of their choosing. The issue is over a word, and as long as you battle the people that simply have an issue with that syntax, you're wasting energies that could be better spent somewhere else.
- Jason Nunnelley
Well, who owns the word?
- Johnny Worthington
Jason, hate to break it to you, but you don't get to decide what's important to other people.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Basically, my attitude about this is like my dad's about the Civil Rights Movement (which he was very active in): I don't want to change the way people feel about this, I just want to change the laws so that discrimination isn't legal. If you want to think homosexual marriage is wrong, go right ahead. I just don't want you to be able to legally stop homosexual marriage.
- josh neff, geek at large
Choice? What CHOICE? I don't have any CHOICES!??!!??? *head explodes*
- Derrick
No, I specifically called you out separately from the camp. I described the camp position, then dealt with your position. Don't knee-jerk. That reactionary process isn't good for conversation.
- Jason Nunnelley
But, D, didn't you CHOOSE to be gay?
- Akiva Moskovitz
No more than I chose to be right-handed.
- Derrick
Any two consenting adults of legal age ought to be able to enter into a domestic partnership contract. They may then call it whatever the hell they please. Problem solved.
- Christopher A Carr
Wait, I missed something. Did California make it illegal to be homosexual? No, they didn't. The people of California voted to support legislation making a "marriage" definition. Marriage is a choice. I chose my relationships and so does anyone that engages in one. You can say it's not a choice, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a personal decision. Love is another topic. Attraction is also. We're not talking about laws against love, attraction, or feelings.
- Jason Nunnelley
Right, we're talking about a group of people being denied a right afforded another group of people. It's as simple as that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
But Jason, love, attraction, or feelings don't matter anymore, cause it's all about your sexual organs.
- Johnny Worthington
@cacarr [Christopher] Look at the thread's history. I said that some time ago, and for that was called a racist, or a bigot, or something. I can't care enough to reread it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Civil. Rights.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I'm in a domestic partnership contract, it's called a marriage. Derrick can go into a domestic partnership contract, but he can't call it a marriage...
- Johnny Worthington
Jason, I need to read back through it. The point is that the hang up is over a term "marriage." Get government out of the business of "marriage" and it would seem to me that the problem goes away. Grant all adults of any gender combination the right to enter into a contract with all the same legal rights and responsibilities of what is now called "marriage."
- Christopher A Carr
...then let them call it whatever they will in accordance with whatever church/religious sensibilities they do or do not have.
- Christopher A Carr
Legal and christian viewpoints be damned, you cannot grant rights to a part of the population and take away those same rights to another part. This is the most ridiculous of arguments. As a heterosexual male with a heart of gold, I broke down into uncontrollable tears watching the first news footage of gay couples being married. How can you possibly take away that happiness from two...
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- jcunwired
@jworthington Like I said originally. There's a simple option, nobody wants it. The right-wing wants to argue they are the defenders of marital sanctity. The left wants to make themselves to be the salvation of human dignity, because only they care about human beings and their right to live the lives they want. Meanwhile, people are living the way they want regardless. The state is not my friend. The state is not my god.
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm for removing the "marriage" legal language from all currently married hetero couples... If "marriage" has all this Abrahamic religious connotation, then why is government using the term in the first place?
- Christopher A Carr
Because the State don't do shit to you. You have all the freedoms afforded to you. You have the luxury of arguing over a word. Actually encounter some discrimination, in real life, then come back. Until then, you speak from a footing of sand sir.
- Johnny Worthington
Taking away the word 'marriage' is ridiculous. Instead of granting equal rights, you want to change the language so that you don't have to?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Last I checked, changing 'french fries' into 'freedom fries' didn't stick either.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@akiva Actually, I don't care. I'm telling you why some people have a hang up with it. You can keep on arguing it until you get the government on your side. Perhaps you can get them to ban Christianity and create a perfect utopia. Have fun.
- Jason Nunnelley
Right, Jason, because wanting equal rights for everyone means I want to ban Christianity? Good grief.
- Akiva Moskovitz
"All evangelists and proselytizers can eat..." I interpreted this as an angry position against believers. Did I get it wrong? Do you hate Christians? Yes or no?
- Jason Nunnelley
Of course not. Not all Christians are evangelists or proselytizers.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The thing is Jason... this has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Get over yourself. This is not about you, it's about other people. No one here wants to destroy Christianity, they want their friends to be able to call themselves 'married'... I second Akiva, good grief...
- Johnny Worthington
And I also don't really hate anyone. You seem to have an unhealthy attachment to the accusation, Jason.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: Shit, this is not complex. As things stand, gay couples *should* be able to enter into "marriage" because the right is afforded to hetero couples. I'm for equal rights here... I want to simplify the whole thing by allowing any two adults access to the rights afforded by "marriage." The term "marriage" is unnecessary as legal language. Grant the actual rights, let heterosexual and homosexual couples call this arrangement whatever they will...
- Christopher A Carr
@Akiva, I have an interpretation that you're completely intolerant of anyone that disagrees with you.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, prove it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Christopher, the world 'marriage' is important for equality. If separate but equal is not okay for the contract, why should we have to accept it for the language?
- joey
Jason, I disagree with Akiva on just about a billion things, and he seems to tolerate me just fine.
- joey
It's a belief, based on reading your comments in this thread. If telling people to eat a bag of whatever, calling people that discuss differing points of views (or simply more flexible points of views) bigots isn't intolerant, then I'm just going to have to realize we use a different language altogether. Since my goal is to get government off my back, I've really no dog in this fight.
- Jason Nunnelley
joey, no you don't. You agree with everything.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think he tolerates you better than fine, Joey. :P
- Rochelle
Joey: There would be no separation in my proposal. Any two people can enter into a partnership contract...including gay couples. They may then call the arrangement whatever they like.
- Christopher A Carr
Jason, where did I call anyone a bigot?
- Akiva Moskovitz
This is tolerant commentary.
- Gavin
Christopher, thanks for clarifying.
- joey
@Akiva, you didn't.
- Jason Nunnelley
Then you haven't proven any sort of intolerance on my part. There's a difference between disagreeing with people and being intolerant of them. I did not write, 'I wish Christianity would go away,' or anything to that effect. In fact, I didn't call out all Christians at all; I snarked (and I emphasize the word 'snark' here) a particular group of Christians from a particular locality. If you're going to call me 'intolerant', you had better be able to back it up with evidence.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Oddly enough, the whole argument can be solved by christian logic. Isn't it God's job to judge what is right or wrong? If so, then WTF are evangelicals doing in the middle of it all? Or do they not believe their god is up to the task?
- jcunwired
jcunwired, evangelicals believe that it is their duty to 'save' people from sin. They believe that they are doing the work of G-d and not that they're having to pick up His slack.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That comment is bordering on hateful and rude. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean you have to be rude. You could have said it in a different tone. It seems that Christians can no longer speak their opinion without being blasted by left-wingers as being intolerant, rude or homophobic.
- Gavin
FWIW, I'm an atheist of the Sam Harris variety, and am very disturbed that Christian sensibilities are written into law to the extent that they are in the US.
- Christopher A Carr
But to do so Akiva they would need to judge, and according to what I understand about Christianity, this is a serious deviation from the role God plays in their lives.
- jcunwired
@jcunwired and @Akiva, I'd say a more accurate description of evangelicals is that they believe it is their job to expose people to the teachings they follow. I think they would take issue with someone claiming they believed they could "save people from their sin."
- Jason Nunnelley
Gavin, rude, sure; hateful, nope. Christians have the right to speak their opinion as I am allowed mine. The problem is that Christians use their opinion to bully government into doing their will at the detriment of others. When you try to push your religion on me, expect me to push back.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jason, yeah, that's a much better framing. And my problem with that is your teachings might not be my teachings and you have as much right to force your teachings on me as I have a right to burn your house down.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@cacarr It all started with that "all men are created equal" statement. That, being the basis of legal equality, later emancipation, and continues to be at the root of equal rights law.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, except when it involves homosexuals, right?
- Akiva Moskovitz
^^touche
- jcunwired
Excuse me? Isn't the United States a democracy? Majority rules? How is this religion being pushed on you? You could say the same for same-sex marriage they are forcing their views on the rest of us. Also FYI, marriage is NOT a right. So don't try that one.
- Gavin
Christians, would you be against homosexual couples in domestic partnership contracts calling themselves "married?"
- Christopher A Carr
Gavin, so, two people of the same sex in a city that is distant from yours getting married somehow affects you? And, if marriage is not a right, then why are there bills to determine who has the right to it?
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva, no I'd say that equal rights continue to be protected under the law as our interpretation of it evolves. But, the godless state is not real. It doesn't exist. You'll have to strip it of its roots to eradicate Christian culture from its practices.
- Jason Nunnelley
Christopher, nope. No more than I'm against couples from other denominations or religions or a lack thereof calling themselves 'married.' Which is to say, not at all. I am 150% in support of same sex civil marriage.
- joey
Jason, so, basically what you're saying is that it is Christians who are standing in the way of equal rights for all people?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I believe in full common law rights equivalent to marriage.
- Gavin
I was just wondering if Christians tend to be against the idea that gay couples would have legal rights, or if they are just hung up on the lexical semantics of "married."
- Christopher A Carr
@Akiva The law may have been a big mistake. I think a better way to go about it is to eliminate state control from our unions. But, I'm not a big fan of the state lately.
- Jason Nunnelley
Gavin, so the homosexuals get a consolation prize? What about religious homosexuals who want the same marriage as their heterosexual peers?
- Akiva Moskovitz
So now we equate gay marriage to godlessness.
- jcunwired
Jason, or just let people alone and stop bullying them around. Let. Them. Marry.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The problem runs even deeper than same-sex marriage. In Canada, where I live, we've had same-sex marriage for a few years. In the past few years the homosexual community has taken the burden of rewriting lots of policies to smear non-supporters of homosexuality as homophobes. I have fear of speaking my full mind on homosexuality in my school for fear of punishment.
- Gavin
Christians, would you have a problem with leaving the designation of "marriage" to your church?
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, some are against both. We have a domestic partnership law here in Washington and there is a group fighting to repeal it on the grounds that it somehow invalidates heterosexual marriages and that it sends a message that the state condones homosexuality.
- joey
Gavin, that's a completely different issue.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, it's not. This is where these issues lead. Trust me the same will happen in California.
- Gavin
Gavin, so you're against gay marriage because you're afraid that you'll later be painted as a homophobe?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Damn, beat me to it.
- jcunwired
Furthermore, Gavin, it's a rather startling thought that you might think that homosexuals want equal rights just so they can use that as a platform to launch a campaign of slander against those who didn't want the homosexuals to have equal rights in the first place.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Joey, well, I suppose it's not possible to reason with those people.
- Christopher A Carr
Akiva, it's not that I think that, I know that. We've had same-sex marriage in Canada for a few years now, and their influence on government policies, even going as far as changing definitions of words is far reaching. They are demonizing religious people and painting them across the board as homophobes.
- Gavin
@cacarr I think it's clear that most churches simply don't recognize a union between two men or two women as an ordained or sanctioned union by the Creator. Christians largely appose homosexual behavior in any context, under any name. The issue is whether Christians want to police what they view as sin, and most don't. Most Christians view intoxication as a sin. Few would want to police intoxicants or intoxication on private property.
- Jason Nunnelley
Gavin: So what if there are vocal gay interest groups? I doubt -- even in Canada -- that they have anywhere near the clout of religious organizations.
- Christopher A Carr
Gavin, and haven't religious people been demonizing homosexuals as deviants who have no control over their sexuality, are child molesters, and aggressively pursue heterosexuals on a hellbent quest to anally rape them?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, from a personal standpoint, absolutely not. I don't not look down on these people, I don't insult them, and I don't treat in a degrading way. I simply don't support their lifestyle and I express that opinion. Just because some religious people make those claims doesn't mean it applies to everyone.
- Gavin
@Akiva, by definition homosexual behavior is a deviation from the norm. The rest of that statement is just more bigoted crap. Now you're saying all believers fear rape from homosexuals. This is propaganda. And, builds a case that you've got a personal issue with religious people.
- Jason Nunnelley
Christopher, actually in the school system which I attend gay interest groups have the most say over policy.
- Gavin
Gavin, sure, but it still doesn't answer your paranoia that there's a homosexual agenda that will somehow erode your quality of life. Last I checked, homosexuals getting married won't cause you to suddenly sprout cancer or make heterosexual marriages somehow less irritating.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jason, I was asking a question. I wasn't offering my position. Calm down, you're going to hurt yourself.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, yes it does degrade my quality of life. I am roundly criticized and attacked for my beliefs. You should spend some time with me here and you would see that homosexuals aren't the tolerant bunch they make themselves out to be.
- Gavin
Jason, who determines the norm? Check your history, homosexuality was quite the norm in the Roman Empire.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Left-handed people deviate from the statistical norm...
- Christopher A Carr
Gavin, no need to preach to me. I'm a religious Jew so I suffer shit constantly from smug atheists. But I would never, ever do anything to prevent atheists from having the same quality of life as everyone else.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva, aren't all Washingtonians fascists? See, that's not a polite question.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I could give a crap less about polite. This isn't a tea party. And, for the record, most Washingtonians are stinky hippies.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, so you're supporting my statement?
- Gavin
Gavin, no, I'm not. Re-read what I wrote.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Akiva I think the question insinuates a position. That's why I point it out. As for Rome, I'd say most were still heterosexual. The norm, by natural design, is that a man mates with a woman. This isn't complex. It's the standard in nature for most species and especially so amongst humans. I think these sort of debates are mostly fruitless. You're not going to convince most rigorously...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Akiva, can you explain how marriage relates to quality of life?
- Gavin
Jason, so you think that homosexuality is an unhealthy and negative lifestyle? For you or for the homosexuals?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Gavin, have you ever had a right taken away from you? Has your government ever told you that you don't get to have the luxuries that others are allowed? It's an issue of equality. And the onus is on you to prove that homosexual marriage somehow ruins your life not ours to prove that homosexual marraige doesn't.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jason, denying equal rights under the law is not ignoring. The effort that was put into passing Prop 8 was tremendous. No one was ignoring homosexuals then.
- joey
Jason, and ignoring homosexuals doesn't make them go away.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So Jason & Gavin when do we get to vote on your marriage equality rights?
- sofarsoShawn
Akiva, actually you're comment about an unhealthy lifestyle brought to mind a study done in Toronto. There was a 20% prevalence of AIDS among homosexual men vs a 0.1% prevalence of AIDS among heterosexual men. No margin of error will close that gap.
- Gavin
Jason, I'm not sure anyone has ever asked anyone to "embrace and encourage" a homosexual lifestyle. I think people are simply asking for tolerance and equality.
- jcunwired
Gavin, couldn't encouraging healthy, monogamous relationships help close that gap?
- joey
joey beat me to it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
sofarsoSeán, can you show me where marriage is enshrined as a right?
- Gavin
Gavin, ask the homosexuals who are denied the right to be married about that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
joey, Akiva, so I guess you have no response to the health risk posed.
- Gavin
Sadly another blow against our great republic. Frankly at this point either we legalize Gay marriage or we abolish any legal rights granted by heterosexual marriage. Anything else is an affront to the thousands of people who died for this country.
- matthew john ernisse
It's just been codified as of today in the state of California for 1 ex.
- sofarsoShawn
Okay, so wait. Gavin, you're against gay marriage because you think it's going to pose a risk to YOUR health?
- Rochelle
Gavin, I hate to tell you this but AIDS doesn't know gender. It's a disease. It can be transmitted between heterosexuals as easily as it can be between homosexuals. Unless you think that homosexuals getting married is going to cause you to become HIV positive.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Gavin - that sounds like a health risk for the homos, not for you - not to mention I don't think it has much to do with marriage in general either.
- Sparky
Rochelle, no but in a publicly funded healthcare state like Canada's I end up having to pay for these folks.
- Gavin
Wow. Just... wow.
- Rochelle
The health risk posed by what? Gay marriage? I didn't realize that it was a pathogen.
- joey
Gavin, well, you're not black so shouldn't have pay for treatments for sickle cell anemia either, should you?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Gavin, and I have to pay for the treatment of people who want to take my rights away. Welcome to society!
- joey
BTW - what do you have to say about a 26.1% HIV positive rate among straight people in Swaziland? Does that mean straight people shouldn't get married there either?
- Sparky
I'll bet a shiny nickle that in 10 minutes I can find church in California that will happily marry a gay couple. But that isn't what the issue is, now is it. The issue is about granted spousal rights, a legal position. Perhaps, once the emotional outrage has subsided logic will find a way to obtain these very rights which I firmly believe is a) the goal, b) very doable and c) the morally correct stance.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Gavin - we pay for it down here too. Just because insurance is privatized it still has to break even at a minimum. When large numbers of people get sick insurance companies raise everyones rates.
- Sparky
Akiva, sickle cell anemia is not limited to African-Americans.
- Gavin
AIDS isn't limited to gays.
- matthew john ernisse
Dammit. matthew beat me to it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
But a 2000% difference isn't a coincidence.
- Gavin
where did you pull out those statistics from?
- D. Eda Goze
A study done in Toronto.
- Gavin
Link to study, please.
- Rochelle
Gavin, you still haven't been able to support your connection between a disease and marriage.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Yes, I'm looking for it.
- Gavin
Take your time. Please.
- jcunwired
Okay, pretend that I'm taking the AIDS argument seriously for a moment...again, wouldn't encouraging healthy, monogamous relationships (as well as bringing health issues and therefore education out of the closet, pun intended) help fight against it?
- joey
Yes, and what Akiva said. Does this study say that gay marriage causes AIDS?
- Rochelle
You know, Gavin has convinced me. I'm now against gay marriage AND infectious disease.
- Sparky
I agree with you MVB.
- Steve
link? is it only for western cultures? what about Africa. it's funny that it does not sound like a legit "study done in Toronto".
- D. Eda Goze
Frankly who cares? It's not like letting people enjoy equal rights is going to change anything for you. You could say white heterosexual couples suffer from angst and divorce at a rate of 2000% over gay couples. Who cares, if we make anything a state sponsored 'right' that is afforded any legal status what so ever, it is either afforded to everyone equally or it's not. Anything less and you might as well legislate against interracial couples, or interfaith.
- matthew john ernisse
As I have stated earlier it is more about the future consequences of these actions then this direct result. If you read my earlier comments, you will see what I mean. Also I can't find the study right now, but I will continue to look. It may be on my other pc.
- Gavin
Matthew, if evangelicals win this battle, your statement may not be too far from the truth.
- jcunwired
What kind of wine do you serve with bowl of dicks?
- Matthew DeVries
Global HIV infection rates by country: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input...
- Sparky
Matthew... White of course :P
- Johnny Worthington
I fail to see how marriage leads to AIDS but I'm engaged, so I'm getting a little bit concerned. Somebody help me out, here.
- joey
Anyways, I got into this discussion because of the original message. I feel that if you can't at least be respectful of the other side I don't think you deserve my attention.
- Gavin
Joey - when you get married you are statistically more likely to share needles with your spouse. That's your AIDS correlation.
- Sparky
Gavin - I've know Akiva long enough to know he only says "bag of dicks" with the utmost of respect.
- Sparky
Gavin, I'm all for civil discussion, but why should I have to be gracious and respect those who show no respect for others?
- joey
Sparkles, oh thank goodness we prefer inhalants then! (UM, IN CASE MY SISTER SEES THIS, I'M KIDDING!)
- joey
Gavin, thanks for giving me an assload of the attention I didn't deserve then. Just goes to show how awesome I am.
- Akiva Moskovitz
HAHA, YOUR JOKE IS FUNNY JOEY. PLEASE PASS THE NITROUS AND SODOMY.
- Sparky
@joey Don't show respect for people that disagree with you. It helps to galvanize them and supports their position. It makes your position look like an inflexible and reactionary position. There's no hope for common ground, so it tells them up front they should dig in and defend themselves.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I was tremendously respectful in conveying my opinions to you. You countered by telling me that as minority, my views (and religion) don't matter. That's not common ground...that's one side oppressing another because they have the upper hand at the moment. Why should those being oppressed have to give in and settle for less? And for the record, I AM inflexible with regard to equal rights.
- joey
You could solidly argue because gay relationships are discriminated against it forces them in the closet and contributes to those factors of promiscuous, anonymous sex. No one wants to be an outsider. Whereas if it wasn't considered an "abomination" as the religious fundy's claim and gay relationships through marriage or otherwise were maybe not the norm but at least acceptable, it would help to prevent HIV/AIDS which I see, the higher %s, as being largely due to the discrimination we've just seen today.
- sofarsoShawn
@joey You're applying meaning to my statements that weren't intended. I said this country's language and laws are based on protestant beliefs and traditions. I said nothing about your faith or your personal views, let alone their value or worth. I'm dealing in reality. Exposing history and facts doesn't make me a bigot. Calling me a bigot (not accusing you personally) doesn't change those facts.
- Jason Nunnelley
To they who say that @joey is wrong - if the framers, the lawmakers, the founders of our society thought that the sactity of the marriage extended to the word 'marriage' then they should not have wrote it into secular law. The term for the ultimate binary partnership between 2 people should not have used a holy word, they should have used a legal-ish word. They defiled and bastardized...
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- Matthew DeVries
Jason, I haven't used the word bigot once in this 300-post conversation (as you noted), so I have no idea what you're talking about.
- joey
50 state us estimates, Male-to-male sexual contact: 487,695 Injection drug use: 255,859 High-risk heterosexual contact: 176,157 that is not a %2000 difference. Also for the diagnoses in 2007 Male-to-male sexual contact: 16,749 High-risk heterosexual contact: 11,111 . That is not a big difference. Also %59.2 of aids patients are black. so they should not get married as well right?? aids...
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- D. Eda Goze
Joey - not that it belittles your statements or beliefs, but how are you a minority?
- Sparky
Matthew, you make a good case against my proposal....
- Christopher A Carr
Sparky, in the context of this conversation, he was saying that the Catholic definition of marriage doesn't matter because Catholics are a minority.
- joey
!!!!! Isn't Catholicism the #2 religion in the world? !!!!!
- Sparky
@Matthew DeVries Ever since the patriarchs allowed for a writ of divorce the marriage term has been belittled. The New Testament is so confusing because people don't know what the word means, so when it's used in its secular context the readers often misunderstand that it's not talking about a spiritually acceptable marriage, but a union recognized by the patriarchs, then the religious leaders, then the state.
- Jason Nunnelley
If not #1?
- Sparky
Only if you don't count "protestants" as 1 faith, which in a debate between the catholics and any other protestant faith, they'll always stand together against Rome.
- Matthew DeVries
To be clear here, on the issue it wasn't strictly due to Christian evangelicals, they may have spearheaded the campaign but they were able to ally themselves with largely many of the immigrant communities of the Muslim and Hindu faith who believed/argued as much that this was a "Family" values issue. It's a "fundy" issue so to speak.
- sofarsoShawn
I thought Islam was closely followed by Catholics followed by Pretestants
- Sparky
@joey What I said is that Catholics didn't found the country, set the law, or establish the basis of its origin. Protestant Englishmen established the language. That's why it's called "English Common Law." Our law is built upon that law and its origins. And, yes, it comes from Catholic heritage, but it also comes from Judaism and we don't forbid eating certain foods as "clean" and "unclean."
- Jason Nunnelley
My grandmother is a 94 year old Catholic's Catholic, still going to church 4 days a week. She supports gay marriage because what she gained from her religion is tolerance, and as mentioned before, she feels as though only God has the right to judge.
- jcunwired
I am deeply saddened by this decision in Cali. I am glad to see that the Friendfeed community are the good peeps that I knew them to be. Legislating exclusion is wrong and a very slippery slope.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Jason, that's exactly my point, though. Definitions evolve over time and if Protestants can redefine marriage from Catholics (who redefined from Jews) then why can't the secular definition evolve?
- joey
I can clear up the HIV infection discrepancy issue somewhat. HIV is more easily transmitted via anal sex than it is by vaginal intercourse. However, this is not as much the case in much of Africa due to the prevalence of certain parasitic infections the create a situation of increased blood exchange during vaginal intercourse. And single gay men get laid more frequently because, well,...
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- Christopher A Carr
American law is as such: Magna Carta, English Common Law, Constitution, state contitutions, amendments, regulations, social understanding, cultural interpretations, binding legal decisions in recognized courts.
- Jason Nunnelley
Christianity is the biggest in the world. Roman Catholics are the biggest single christian faith, but they are much smaller than the whole of the non-Catholic Christians counted together.
- Matthew DeVries
And Jason, the "major faith" of the founders was Church of England - which as a child of a Catholic and and Anglican, I can tell you, they're same fucking thing, just one has a Pope.
- Matthew DeVries
The court did not legislate exclusion today
- Steve
Matthew, that reminds me of a joke...
- joey
You know, if the framers of the constitution had intended the bible (and a given person's individual preferred translation and interpretation thereof) to be the source of our complete sense of normalcy and ethics, we'd have written the law in terms of the bible. It's a perfectly valid way to frame a government, especially if you provide a lengthy text of interpretations, a la sharia...
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- Wirehead
Church of England = Diet Catholic, all the sins for half the guilt? That one joey?
- Matthew DeVries
Haha, no but I like that. It's 'Why can't Anglicans win at chess? Because they can't tell the difference between a Bishop and a Queen!'
- joey
Christopher Carr - WTF? Did you read a pamphlet about AIDS in 1989 and just quit learning about it since then? All of those are 80's myths about AIDS, with no actual peer reviewed data to back it up.
- Matthew DeVries
The information about associations between parasite load and vaginal HIV transmission in Africa is relatively new.
- Christopher A Carr
@Matthew what @joey was saying was similar, except she wanted me to recognize that since her faith only recognizes a Catholic Church ordained union and yet still calls us condemned sorts married, that we pseudo-Christians should be cool calling same-sex couples married. The problem here is that non-Catholics view marriage as including non-believers, believers, divorced people, etc. The...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason - if the framers, the lawmakers, the founders of our society thought that the sactity of the marriage extended to the word 'marriage' then they should not have wrote it into secular law. The term for the ultimate binary partnership between 2 people should not have used a holy word, they should have used a legal-ish word. They defiled and bastardized their own sacrament and now the...
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- Matthew DeVries
Furthermore, over eighty million dollars was blown on this stupid law. Do we want to talk about the *good* that eighty million dollars could have done instead of going to taking rights away from people who happen to prefer the company of the same gender?
- Wirehead
Christopher, link to article or source about the "parasite load and vaginal HIV transmission" please.
- Rochelle
Jason, see what I did there? We're going have "The" debate, not "your" debate. You will be held to debate team standards, which includes, not allowing Straw Men.
- Matthew DeVries
@Steve If it isn't exclusion than what is it?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Jason, I don't in any way view non-Catholics as condemned. That's not the worldview I'm looking through. I was trying to illustrate that definitions are not owned by any one group. Also, while the Magna Carta certainly influenced the United States, it doesn't actually have legal bearing here. Our legal system also diverges from common law; it's not the sole source. We have constitutional supremacy.
- joey
@Matthew DeVries You're dealing with "should" and I'm dealing with "is." My country wasn't founded by people that believe in the same things I believe in, largely. They owned slaves, traded in religious colloquialisms. They largely didn't practice what many modern Americans would consider sound Christianity. But, we deal with the laws and the culture we're handed by history and heritage.
- Jason Nunnelley
mar·riage [ márrij ] (plural mar·riages) noun Definition: 1. legal relationship between spouses: a legally recognized relationship, established by a civil or religious ceremony, between two people who intend to live together as sexual and domestic partners mar·riage [ márrij ] (plural mar·riages) It's not a religious term.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Jason - if the framers, the lawmakers, the founders of our society thought that the sactity of the marriage extended to the word 'marriage' then they should not have wrote it into secular law. The term for the ultimate binary partnership between 2 people should not have used a holy word, they should have used a legal-ish word. They defiled and bastardized their own sacrament and now the...
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- Matthew DeVries
@m9m Why two people? Isn't that closed minded?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, this is a debate over homosexual equal rights, not polygamy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Mawwage. Mawwage is what bwings us togethew today. Mawwage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam within a dweam And wove, twue wove, wiww fowwow you fowevah So tweasuwe youw wove And do you, Pwincess Buwwercwup,
- Matthew DeVries
@Akiva Sorry, I didn't realize there were rules. It seems to me if you're going to require people accept a definition of a word that the majority feel means something you don't like, you may as well clean the word up completely and remove all limitations from it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I'm just trying to prevent you from derailing this discussion by bringing in practices that have nothing to do with homosexual equal rights.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Christopher Carr - LOL - Yes, all the words that you said are quoted in the articles linked, but not even remotely in the order that you claimed they did, to convey any message remotely supporting your conclusion.
- Matthew DeVries
Jason, if you want to start a debate about polygamy, start a new post.
- Rochelle
@Akiva, you're not convincing anyone to believe anything they don't already believe. This discussion isn't changing anyone's position. @Rochelle I will abstain from this discussion though. I don't like the rules. See, that's how easy it is. Someone here should take notes.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, let's also debate the US postal service and their rates, while we're at it. Because, you know, that has as much to do with gay marriage as polygamy does.
- Rochelle
Matthew, what are you taking issue with exactly?
- Christopher A Carr
Well, you do realize, Jason, that over time we've moved from a culture where gays were afraid to come out of the closet at all to where we are today. So, no, the debates on homosexuality have born fruit. Just not in the direction you want them to.
- Wirehead
Call me when we get to man-goat marriage. I have some input for that.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from fftogo
Matthew: "ONE of the biggest mysteries of HIV is why the virus spreads so readily via heterosexual sex in Africa, but not elsewhere. A study in monkeys suggests parasitic worms may be to blame" : http://www.newscientist.com/article...
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, what exactly does that have to do with gay marriage equality?
- Rochelle
Jason, when did I ever say my intention was to convince anyone of anything? I'm just horsing around.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Rochelle, it's a long thread... one of the Christians in the conversation was bringing up HIV infection rate discrepancies between heteros and gays...
- Christopher A Carr
Rochelle, if the gays get married we all get AIDS. Didn't you see them state that as fact? Case closed!
- Sparky
Also, Jason, your trying to derail this topic has as much to do with my intentions as polygamy does gay marriage.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Rochelle: While I'm on the same side as Matthew on this political issue, he was taking me to task because I think he would prefer that there were no differences in anal and vaginal sex as regards HIV transmission.
- Christopher A Carr
Akiva - in all seriousness I think the two are related. I think a basic human right is love - I don't care who it's between; a man and a women, two men, two women, three men, whatever - so long as it only involves consenting adults what harm is letting people go off and love each other? If someone has two partners should only one of them be allowed to visit them in the hospital on their deathbed?
- Sparky
But this is off-topic at this point...
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, you do realize that straight people can have anal sex as well, right?
- Rochelle
Rochelle: pics or it didn't happen!
- Sparky
Akiva: techno-hippie, thankyouverymiuch.
- Sparky
Sparky, TWSS
- Rochelle
Of course I do, Rochelle. Blood exposure is the issue, not sexual orientation per se...
- Christopher A Carr
+1 Sparky - twice!
- jcunwired
Uh. I accidentally deleted my last comment. I called Sparky a hippie. Because it's true. He's stinky, too. Just like a Washingtonian.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I grew up in Eugene... talk about hippies.
- Christopher A Carr
Hey now - of the many hippy traits I have a strong scent isn't one of them. I'm kinda anal about hygiene and am allergic to fragrances.
- Sparky
Haha. Sparky said "anal" and "hygiene" in the same sentence.
- Rochelle
I still can't stand the smell of patchouli...
- Christopher A Carr
I have good anal hygiene too, but I wasn't really going to trumpet that horn on that one without your prompting Rochelle.
- Sparky
Pics or it didn't happen?
- Rochelle
Awesome. You know that one is going to be the post that comes back to haunt you.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
GREAT WE'VE TOTALLY DERAILED THE SUBJECT
- Akiva Moskovitz
The only thing worse than a hippie from Washington is a hippie from Oregon.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow, who could have seen that coming?!
- joey
BACK ON TASK: evangelists are dick-bag eaters, everyone else hates on the homophobes.
- Sparky
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT OREGON. Now finish your bag of dicks.
- Christopher Harley
@Joey, should you really talk about something coming on a thread about eating bags of dicks? ;-)
- Joey Gibson
Hahaha. Apparently no.
- joey
I grew up with hippies, they aren't stinky.
- jcunwired
Just stinky nug. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Now that's a BIG gulp
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Wait - stinky nug? Does this provide the tie necessary to say gay marriage == increased drug uses in minors?
- Sparky
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand scene. Thank you everyone for playing!
- Akiva Moskovitz
This might be one of those test cases for **** can get a lot of responses. :-)
- moon_shadow70
To be very honest, the response this thing got completely surprised me. It was a throw-away comment, a moment of frustration, and a chance to bring in a little aggressive levity to hopefully make a few people chuckle.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's now your post with the most comments. Very telling that it beat out The Atoll of Succulent Areolae.
- Christopher Harley
Dang. :(
- Akiva Moskovitz
Damn almost 400 comments, that's a lot of dick eating, especially with the bag full conversion.
- Steve C
Really, he had us all at dicks.
- Sparky
Actually I think I have the solution, one that should be acceptable to Jason Nunnelly. Let's make same-sex marriage legal. People can get married to another person of whatever gender. It's marriage, legally, just like different-sex marriage. But written into the law should be a stipulation that people like Jason and members of his church should be permitted, without penalty, to use...
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- Nathan Rein
@nathan and create an new epithet? cause that's the connotation that word will have in those circles. It's a covenant for the love between the people getting married in the eyes of law, that they are effectively one and can speak for the other when situations arise where they can't do so themselves - whether that covenant has extra things associated with it in someones faith is neither...
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- alphaxion
<hijack>Gavin, out of curiosity, do you live in Abbotsford, BC or in the Fraser Valley?</hijack> I live in Canada - Vancouver to be exact - and I've never seen any evidence of the kind of anti-Christian rhetoric from LGBT communities that you speak of.
- cecily
Unofficial Official Live Thread - Cleveland Cavs vs Orlando Magic - Game 4 @ 8:30PM EST/5:30PM PST on TNT. Orlando leads series 2 - 1.
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Game On!! Mo Williams is SERIOUS! I'll be podcasting for the first hour or so. I'm sure you guys will be fine without me!
- Bwana ☠
I'm here!
- Matt Bebich
We gone win the series?!? lol
- Matt Bebich
me too! Go magic!
- Wayne Sutton
Go cavs
- Kenny
Howard is unstoppable tonight, going up 3-1
- Wayne Sutton
Howard's had 30+ point games where Orlando's lost. Lewis and Turkoglu have to pick it up eventually for them to win.
- Jed
that was not a foul. is someone keeping a count on the bad cavs call tonight?
- Wayne Sutton
Johnson was running away from the play. Mo Williams played like a diva and dove into the crowd for effect. Stern makin the calls on his batphone early
- Cee Bee
I guess most of FriendFeed has no interest in this series? (Probably because a lot are California based?)
- Jed
Lebron James: When 3 steps just isn't enough
- Cee Bee
You don't like the "crab dribble"? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jed
I think the league should give a yearly award to the player with the least complaining to the referee. (assuming they get PT to be able to complain)
- Jed
the cleveland traveliers aka the cleveland crabaliers: http://i44.tinypic.com/10zu4x1...
- Cee Bee
hedo will send cavs home 1-3 :)
- Yunus Tunak
mo williams seems to be back in the swing of things. the magic started off well, but have since gone kind of flat
- Cee Bee
No lead is safe if Orlando is playing. (even if they're leading)
- Jed
hehe well said jed
- Yunus Tunak
lol
- Wayne Sutton
Gortat! need to get some rebounds
- Wayne Sutton
Gortat!
- Wayne Sutton
Just keep feeding him!
- Jed
give it to the Z-Man!
- .LAG liked that
23-5 Cavs run...finish the half strong!
- .LAG liked that
Howard's second?
- Jed
Who's the announcer (TNT) who keeps saying 'Yes!' after Cleveland scores?
- Admiral Anika
Marv Albert.
- Jed
Anika...the announcer is Marv Albert, he's been around forever. his trademark is "YES!"
- .LAG liked that
Thanks. I told you it's been awhile since I watched sports. Recognized the voice, but couldn't get the name.
- Admiral Anika
Gibson might have finally got back on the rotation.
- Jed
yeah, a better half than the last game, don't like the score :(
- Wayne Sutton
another Lebron & Kobe commerical? funny but hope it's Lakers and Orlando!
- Wayne Sutton
Did Barkley just get a burger delivery?
- Admiral Anika
lol
- Wayne Sutton
Did I miss much?
- Rodfather
nope,
- Wayne Sutton
go Orlando, i missed first half
- Steve C
Rafer doing it alone!
- Rodfather
nah, it's been pretty even throughout with the crabaliers getting some extra points in near the end of the second. magic haven't been playing all that well, but they're only down by 8
- Cee Bee
Orlando should have Bo Outlaw on the roster still. Just because
- Rodfather
I want Cavs to win it all. I like Lebron
- Rodfather
booo
- Wayne Sutton
Forget Bo Outlaw. Bring back Horace Grant.
- Jed
Haha
- Rodfather
I loved that team.
- Jed
Go Magic, beat the Cavs please!!!
- Joshua Smith
Rafer is on fire
- Rodfather
Nice move Delonte
- Rodfather
Where's Gortat?
- Rodfather
Wow nice shot
- Rodfather
I would put Lee on the bench for Pietrus.
- Jed
Ouch
- Rodfather
He called it. I heard him...
- Jed
When Z is mad, he spots up for 3s...
- Jed
Heh. Rafer can just toss it up and it'll go in
- Rodfather
This is great. Back & forth
- Rodfather
Wow, that was a quick technical.
- Jed
That's bullshit
- Rodfather
Dwight Howard is a physical specimen. Dwight Howard is not a great basketball player. Yet. He's also not very bright based on one flight seated next to him. Not that bright is being kind I'm afraid.
- Steve C
I hope someone tells him he's a tech away from suspension.
- Jed
weak ass technical. that was some bullshit
- Cee Bee
terrible!
- Wayne Sutton
That was taunting? crap.
- Admiral Anika
That rule sucks too. 7 t's and you get a day off
- Rodfather
Steve C, I'm not surprised. But it seems that any show of emotion = technical foul nowadays.
- Jed
not tauting! just emotions just pumped! I've seen Lebron do more than that!
- Wayne Sutton
Refs suck this playoffs
- Rodfather
Wow
- Rodfather
yep
- Wayne Sutton
Hedu is second best player in this series - can do it all and at all the big moments
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
Agree refs suck - inconsistent
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
replay
- Wayne Sutton
Or consistently bad.
- Jed
Big shot
- Rodfather
Pietrus needs more looks like that.
- Jed
Pietrus is good on the corners. He did the same on the Warriors
- Rodfather
shaq hat's look to small, lol
- Wayne Sutton
Block...
- Jed
another bad call, let's see that's # 10
- Wayne Sutton
Varejao must have taught ben Wallace how to flop haah
- Rodfather
Orlando need to have a big lead if not the refs will give this game to clevand,
- Wayne Sutton
Agree with Rodfather, the refs have sucked really bad this post season and weren't any better in the regular season. It's a real problem. For all teams.
- Steve C
Good defense Pietrus, needed you game two
- Wayne Sutton
I'm not sure LeBron could hit that shot again.
- Jed
Oh wait, there's an astronaut in the Angels broadcast booth, the geek in me must depart for a few minutes. :)
- Steve C
They are tossing T's like it's nothing. Add the 7 T rule, the refs have too much control
- Rodfather
The weird part is how the league can overrule and remove technicals. But at the same time, they can't subtract the 1-point free throw.
- Jed
The way they are calling, D Howard is almost guaranteed to miss a game this series or the final if they make it. Fans don't want that
- Rodfather
If Shaq is half as arrogant as a broadcaster as he is as a player, I don't want to hear him
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
Did we already talk about how that T was bull?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Yeah.
- Jed
yep
- Wayne Sutton
Delonte West with some TOUGH d-fense!
- .LAG liked that
Yep, bs
- Rodfather
I'm sorry but there's no excuse for a professional basketball player not to be able to make free throws other than being a lazy ass who doesn't like to practice them
- Steve C
Another big shot.
- Jed
great ball movement
- Wayne Sutton
what killed me is the NBA giving a technical to Dahntay Jones for tripping Kobe last night after the game was over and then fining Phil Jackson for calling the refs inconsistent. How's that work out?
- Cee Bee
...yup, great ball movement
- .LAG liked that
doug is so going for Clevand,.... skip to my lou! And1 for the win!
- Wayne Sutton
They called a T after the game was over?
- Rodfather
+1 Cee Bee
- Steve C
Wow
- Rodfather
Skip to my lou!
- Wayne Sutton
Skip's goin off this game. Playing real well. Magic are totally in it despite the bad calls from the refs, and the less than good playing
- Cee Bee
Yeah, basketball is now using Technicals like Yellow Cards. Yawn
- Will Higgins™
...we are WITNESSES!
- .LAG liked that
Mo Williams is feeling the heat after his comments.
- Jed
And1 Presents Skip To My Lou - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Wayne Sutton
Wow that's a bunch of crap. MIght as well put in instant replay
- Rodfather
Give him a T!
- Jed
yes, the NBA gave D Jones a technical this morning for a foul he didn't get called on last night. LOL
- Cee Bee
T- T him up..who's the fan? lol
- Wayne Sutton
Go Magic!
- Mike Reynolds
now that was a good move by lewis
- Steve C
...i think the Cavs are in trubble...
- .LAG liked that
Orlando is playing around. They look like some pro's out there
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Szczerbiak is a liability on both ends.
- Jed
dude where's lebron?
- Steve C
I didn't think Wallyworld can get much slower
- Rodfather
Wow, a good call.
- Jed
this will be the series lebron decide to leave cavs.. he lost alston and he punishes bad
- Yunus Tunak
Where is the "King" tonight?
- Matt Bebich
LOLebron lookin kinda weathered right now. Runnin out of energy. He needs that G2. Watch out Tiger!
- Cee Bee
it's not over yet but I hope the King is getting ready for a L
- Wayne Sutton
Lebron is a big guy, but I don't think he's going to be able to carry the Cavs much farther.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Even if LeBron and the Cavs win everything, it wouldn't surprise me if he left anyway.
- Jed
like young jordan getting crushed by detroit 'team' !
- Yunus Tunak
CeeBee: LeBron drinks VitaminWater! recognize! .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
nope, his sidekicks Mo and Gibson are not helping out tonight
- Wayne Sutton
Magic are a good team, I'm not sure if they could handle the Lakers though
- Matt Bebich
Yuns, please don't compare LeBron to Jordan..
- Wayne Sutton
I'm not sure the Lakers can "handle" the Nuggets either.
- Jed
Never count out Lebron. Remember that one playoff game against Detroit a few years back. Or was it last year
- Rodfather
yeah the Lakers have to get past the nuggets
- Wayne Sutton
not comparing he will learn like him
- Yunus Tunak
yeah were he it 29 straight points? I hope the magic is smart enough that if Lebron gets going like that to put him on the line
- Wayne Sutton
I think it was game 5 against detroit. Best performance I ever saw
- Rodfather
Lee!
- Wayne Sutton
Wow...unbelievable
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
hidoo :D he undid his shot
- Yunus Tunak
...this game is slipping away from Cleveland, signed Captain Obvious
- .LAG liked that
Magic are on fire right now. Mo Williams - how about that guarantee now?
- Cee Bee
the whistle blew as soon as he jumped
- Wayne Sutton
Is he even on the court?
- Jed
i learned a long time ago with the Magic, it ain't over until tomorrow
- Bwana ☠
Game not over yet
- Wayne Sutton
Exactly.
- Jed
Foul! same play form the other night....lol
- Wayne Sutton
LeBron James should just pass to himself.
- Jed
Orlando definitely needs to learn how to finish
- Rodfather
they know how to finish but dont know how to start :)
- Yunus Tunak
Late whistles are my favourite things.
- Jed
Rodfather... you're right, the Magic always have a stretch where they go soft
- .LAG liked that
Cavs definitely need to start moving the ball, I dunno WTF they're doing out there
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
how is that not a foul!
- Wayne Sutton
Rahsheen ...the Cavs look tired
- .LAG liked that
What's scissorback doing in the game
- Rodfather
It's about time Lewis hit a shot.
- Jed
Yah, definitely tired
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
wow, only 3 point lead and now a turnover....crap!
- Wayne Sutton
...still just a 1-possession game
- .LAG liked that
It'll be a great finish as long as the refs don't steal the spotlight.
- Jed
I wasn't going to stay up for this game but I'm hooked! yeah I hope the refs don't mess up ...AGAIN
- Wayne Sutton
Sounds like the refs got the memo. I haven't looked at the game yet. Just read this thread. Now I am gonna turn it on.
- Amani
Should do a FriendFeed ...you got what I need remix! lol
- Wayne Sutton
In unimportant news i returned to the basketball game after the Angels announcer asked the astronaut guest in the booth "what's it like to go to the bathroom in space." Facepalm. And now back to the game
- Steve C
Haha
- Rodfather
I love Stan.
- Jed
Lebron about to get bailed out like AIG during these last 5 minutes
- Cee Bee
Big.
- Jed
Why is Wally in the game?
- Rodfather
...Rashard Lewis!
- .LAG liked that
Great question. He's been on most of the game.
- Jed
33333333
- Wayne Sutton
Orlando should just give the ball to whoever Wally is guarding
- Rodfather
Lewis and Hedu are clutch
- Patrick Jordan
from BuddyFeed
Neither of these teams have a legitimate offense IMO, i can't believe Orlando's shooting of 3's tonight, can that hold?
- Steve C
They've been known to shoot a lot of 3s. It really depends on the night if they go in or not.
- Jed
Steve true.. Lakers Triangle, Denver, 3s too
- Wayne Sutton
Orlando lives and dies by the 3.
- Rodfather
they did all season and they can
- Yunus Tunak
That's why a Nuggets/Magic final would be either really epic, or a real bust.
- Jed
Somebody help me out. What defensive strategy are the cavs running that keeps leaving people wide open for 3s?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
lol epci!
- Wayne Sutton
... the Magic offense is: feed it into SuperMan, if nothing's there, kick it out for a 3
- .LAG liked that
I say epic as well.
- Jed
Crab Dribble!
- Jed
and 1 from andy
- Daniel J. Pritchett
These teams playing the three point shot like if it was NBALive
- Cee Bee
What .LAG said. They usually have 4 players on the floor who can shoot the 3
- Rodfather
I don't think that's allowed.
- Jed
I don't drink but if I did, I would be drunk how many times Doug Collins have said "lebron james"
- Wayne Sutton
someone say crab dribble? http://i44.tinypic.com/10zu4x1...
- Cee Bee
Amani good question! how many technicals does Lebron have?
- Wayne Sutton
haha, Cee Bee, I think I'll keep calling it out if you keep posting the link.
- Jed
haha
- Rodfather
Wayne... I think the NBA wants LeBron James in the Finals
- .LAG liked that
crabron dribble :D
- Yunus Tunak
I think Kobe's a technical away from suspension. But that's basically saying he's not getting another one.
- Jed
...LeBron must have less than 3 technicals...he wasn't on that list of top playoff technicals this year, and the lowest was 3
- .LAG liked that
Lebron usually doesn't do anything too stupid to earn one
- Rodfather
Commercial for "Dark Blue" wow that looked awful
- Steve C
so lebron only has 29 points
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I think it's a fact that you play better if Wally is guarding you.
- Jed
rafer has 26pts on 0/0 FT shooting
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...Steve C, but it's a cable network. most of the shows are awful. .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
tech!
- Wayne Sutton
That wasn't a foul.
- Jed
i would stay down a long time if i got hit by a lebron elbow
- Steve C
crap!
- Wayne Sutton
lebron would have to duck to elbow regular mortals
- Daniel J. Pritchett
need a basket
- Wayne Sutton
Goodness
- Rodfather
terrible d
- Wayne Sutton
...crunch time! we are WITNESSES!
- .LAG liked that
I'm not a Witness
- Wayne Sutton
These are huge free throws.
- Jed
yep
- Wayne Sutton
...time will tell, Wayne. .LOLz
- .LAG liked that
...
- Jed
oh snap
- Daniel J. Pritchett
crap............
- Wayne Sutton
it ain't over until tomorrow
- Bwana ☠
D Howard needs to learn the dream shake so he doesn't get stripped so much
- Rodfather
down 2-1 i don't think it counts as witnessing yet. :)
- Steve C
it's not over until the clock goes.. 0:00
- Wayne Sutton
nice move
- Rodfather
Even then the NBA might revoke the win... I'm sure they can do that.
- Jed
read bill simmons on innate offensive gifts... he specifically used Hakeem as an example of someone who had real post moves years earlier than dwight who still doesnt
- Daniel J. Pritchett
delonte west is nails!
- .LAG liked that
crap
- Wayne Sutton
this is making me tight right now.
- Cee Bee
when is Howard going to learn how to take a charge and just stand there!
- Wayne Sutton
I thought that delonte move was szerbiak for a minute, i may have pooped myself
- Steve C
here we go 1min
- Wayne Sutton
Wayne... are you witnessing-er-watching this?
- .LAG liked that
crap!
- Wayne Sutton
Hakeem still the best. He wasn't a beast like Howard but was a soccer player who had great footwork and just plain awesome
- Rodfather
Time-out@
- Jed
<3 kareem
- Daniel J. Pritchett
there's the dueling offenses, dribble dribble dribble shoot
- Steve C
Wow.
- Jed
wow crap time
- Yunus Tunak
Great luck on the rebound.
- Jed
so whats the play
- Daniel J. Pritchett
SVG casts magic missile into the darkness?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Give it to Hedo and watch.
- Jed
hedo for sure
- Yunus Tunak
hedo with the fake drive and dropback 3?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I hope it's not hedo
- Bwana ☠
...yeah, give it to Hedo, he's such a mismatch...
- .LAG liked that
my prayers are with those of you who give a damn who wins this game. :)
- Steve C
He'll miss tonight
- Bwana ☠
whew! that was terrible.
- Wayne Sutton
I have a feeling Alston is going to shoot it.
- Jed
Give it to Rafer :p
- Rodfather
im watching via espn gamecast and FF again
- Daniel J. Pritchett
getting tense up in this text-based BB sim
- Daniel J. Pritchett
hedo dribbling endlessly is mismatch for which team?
- Steve C
They're not the Denver Nuggets. I think they can do it.
- Jed
Don't you know at the end of the game unless you have Jordan, Kobe, Bird or Lebron you go to the basket!
- Wayne Sutton
Amani... good point. ask the Nuggets about in-bounds....
- .LAG liked that
it's not about Lebron doug! just make a shot in 5secs!
- Wayne Sutton
cant orlando call another TO
- Daniel J. Pritchett
or 2
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I would throw a lob!
- Wayne Sutton
Wally is on Pietrus...
- Jed
crap!
- Wayne Sutton
Great timeout management.
- Jed
out of bounds plays with one option -always nice ugh
- Steve C
this is NOT stan van gundy time. not looking too good for the magic
- Cee Bee
Pietrus cut to the basket
- Rodfather
The fact that they had two coming into that play is surprising.
- Jed
big ben's +/- is alwys like -10000
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...deny the ball. we learned that in grade school basketball. come on Cleveland!
- .LAG liked that
here we go 2-1 or 2-2
- Wayne Sutton
...the Master of Panic!
- .LAG liked that
That tech on Howard just became bigger...
- Jed
wait did shaq show up just to make SVG nervous
- Daniel J. Pritchett
ooooo
- Rodfather
yes!
- Wayne Sutton
oooooooo.
- Jed
too much time
- Rodfather
lol
- Bwana ☠
yeahhh what a fake
- Yunus Tunak
whew!
- Wayne Sutton
he shot it too early.
- Jed
not over yet
- Wayne Sutton
Holy crap
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Ok Rashard. I see you there!
- Cee Bee
Jeeez...
- .LAG liked that
just don't give up a three.
- Jed
he shot it like there's 2 sec left
- Rodfather
Classic
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
too soon, but that's me looking for a reason to complain/ fear :)
- Steve C
they needed a score either way
- Wayne Sutton
Oh gawd, another James miracle 3
- Matthew DeVries
4.1 seconds left
- .LAG liked that
would you foul?
- Wayne Sutton
Would you foul?
- Jed
ha. beat me to it.
- Jed
lebron makes a dunk from the 3pt line imo
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Lebron can dribble coast to coast in that time
- Rodfather
lol
- Wayne Sutton
No
- Matthew DeVries
Come on lebron we need another 3
- Kenny
in europe 100% foul time
- Yunus Tunak
down 2? foul .... hmmm
- Wayne Sutton
I would just run at the three point line.
- Jed
...no fouls. magic are over the limit.
- .LAG liked that
Oh this commercial needs to die
- Matthew DeVries
if they were up 3 I would foul
- Wayne Sutton
I think a foul will be called no matter waht
- Bwana ☠
watch
- Bwana ☠
overtime cmng
- Yunus Tunak
LOL
- Kenny
lol Bwana
- Wayne Sutton
Good point Bwana.
- Jed
They are going to go for the win
- Rodfather
I don't think he'll pull it off again. and *fistbump* Matt, that commerical was awful.
- Admiral Anika
I'll take an overtime vs a ref foul
- Wayne Sutton
lebron ftw
- Kenny
Offensive foul on LeBron?
- Jed
I need a Doug Collins break!
- Wayne Sutton
haha Jed they'd never call it
- Steve C
Yeah, Orlando will probably commit a "on the same court as James" penalty
- Matthew DeVries
lebron ftw
- Kenny
:O
- Kenny
now this is different, you need someone on the persona taking the ball out
- Wayne Sutton
WOWWWWWWWWWW.
- Jed
YES
- Kenny
bad call.
- Jed
SEE!
- Wayne Sutton
see
- Bwana ☠
wow he didn't shoot a 3
- Rodfather
omfg being on court foul for sure
- Yunus Tunak
he wasn't going anywhere.
- Jed
Told ya
- Matthew DeVries
...eh!
- .LAG liked that
BWANA CALLED IT !!!!
- Wayne Sutton
he tripped on his own feet
- Steve C
awful
- Bwana ☠
He's missing one.
- Jed
all comes down to this
- Kenny
he dove into him
- Bwana ☠
LOL Dive
- Matthew DeVries
yes
- Kenny
TERRIBLE
- Wayne Sutton
Pietrus you damn lame
- Cee Bee
I would check on the time left.
- Jed
All comes down to this
- Kenny
...we are witnesses?
- .LAG liked that
I'm sure they could bump it up a bit.
- Jed
I Don't cuss but man!
- Wayne Sutton
come on lebron
- Kenny
That was a How To Charge drill
- Matthew DeVries
intentional miss -> dunk?
- Andrew C
you can do this
- Kenny
Make it. OT
- Rodfather
wee
- Rodfather
YES
- Kenny
Money!
- .LAG liked that
We are a ..we are witnesses to the refs!
- Wayne Sutton
Wow i'm going back to the Angels game I can't stand the officiating.
- Steve C
haha
- Rodfather
that's terrible!
- Wayne Sutton
I can't watch anymore
- Bwana ☠
Fisher hit a shot in 0.4!
- Jed
sickening
- Bwana ☠
terrible!
- Wayne Sutton
off to watch the last 20 mins of true blood season 1
- Daniel J. Pritchett
hope someone wins
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jed.... you're right!
- .LAG liked that
no one better foul
- Kenny
throw it to the basket for a tip in
- Rodfather
Rafer.
- Jed
0.5 is plenty of time for catch-and-shoot!
- .LAG liked that
lol
- Kenny
Howard is fouled out isn't he?
- Matthew DeVries
keyboard
- Kenny
...Dwight Howard is in, Matthew
- .LAG liked that
I still remember Rex Chapman's _epic_ game-tying three for the Suns vs the Sonics.
- Andrew C
BS!
- Wayne Sutton
and no call
- Bwana ☠
No call?
- Jed
for real though Lebron barreled right into pietrus. that was wack
- Cee Bee
WTF?!
- Matthew DeVries
see what I'm saying
- Bwana ☠
TERRBILE
- Wayne Sutton
I HEARD that shit
- Matthew DeVries
no point
- Bwana ☠
hm.
- Rodfather
he pulled him down
- Kenny
Even Doug Collins can't say anything.
- Jed
I rest my case
- Bwana ☠
Why he pull that man down like that....LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
...that was a foul on both Howard and Varajao
- .LAG liked that
Tough call my ass, Side show mel's feet were moving
- Matthew DeVries
restart at 100 :)
- Yunus Tunak
ot
- Kenny
Let's see what the refs do in overtime.
- Jed
wooooooooooo
- Kenny
howard pushed off but then varejao fell back into him
- Rodfather
judging by that foul they called, this game was destined by be won the King
- Bwana ☠
WE ARE ALL WITNESSES...to the bullcrap
- Bwana ☠
howard couldnt position well good def
- Yunus Tunak
If that was LeBron going for the lob... well.
- Jed
WE ARE ALL WITNESSES...to the bullcrap --- yep
- Wayne Sutton
...seriously? Pietrus pulled James down. He -- Pietrus -- didn't argue it.
- .LAG liked that
NBA really givin the crabaliers every chance they can
- Cee Bee
I think LeBron lowered his shoulder and fell.
- Jed
At least that's what I saw.
- Jed
Amani ...definitely, go to the videotape
- .LAG liked that
They made contact, Lebron lost his footing. I thought it was pretty obvious
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
booby
- Rodfather
varejao haircut giving hedo a headache
- Yunus Tunak
haha
- Rodfather
Both bigs have 5 fouls.
- Jed
sooo woop!! http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-...
- Cee Bee
just get lebron to drive
- Bwana ☠
...that was a mauling. Superman vs Varajao
- .LAG liked that
it'll be 6 fouls
- Bwana ☠
lay it down D!!!
- Cee Bee
box out Howard
- Wayne Sutton
superman woke up
- Yunus Tunak
uh oh. heating up now
- Rodfather
...LeBron for 3!
- .LAG liked that
Uhm...why they keep letting Howard do what he wants in the point? LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
uh...paint, too
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Varejao wants to stay in the game...
- Jed
Wow no T
- Rodfather
oh they finally call a foul
- Wayne Sutton
the foul was on Lebron!
- Wayne Sutton
lebrons tired as hell
- Yunus Tunak
Yunus...you're right. LeBron is gassed
- .LAG liked that
Z's in to make the open 3...
- Jed
nice!
- Jed
Pietrus!!!
- Cee Bee
For threeeeeeeeeeee
- Wayne Sutton
That was smooth.
- Admiral Anika
nice d by pietrus
- Rodfather
yes
- Wayne Sutton
Pietrus!
- Wayne Sutton
lebron needs to muscle for 53 mins next year
- Yunus Tunak
Nice steal!
- Jed
Skip to my Lou
- Wayne Sutton
king decides the winner and its not cavs
- Yunus Tunak
yes.. but come on guys run some clock down
- Wayne Sutton
...I think I see the kid that Big Baby Davis pushed aside
- .LAG liked that
time for orlando to go to sleep again
- Rodfather
Wayne - they're young...can't you tell? :)
- Bwana ☠
Magic picked it up. Not even David Stern could help the Lebrons
- Cee Bee
Whoa! Nice
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Amen Amani
- Wayne Sutton
...LeBron has EIGHT turnovers!
- .LAG liked that
Lol Bwana... yeah run the clock down
- Wayne Sutton
Magic!
- Mike Reynolds
lol Amani can I be your assistant coach? Clevand will have a new coach next year or in 2 years after they lose this series to Orlando and Lebron leaves for NYC
- Wayne Sutton
Bron is dog tired
- Matthew DeVries
they playing sloppy now
- Kenny
lebron : 49mins on court, he is human after all
- Yunus Tunak
no excuses Lebron Tired or not let's go, still not over
- Wayne Sutton
There we go.
- Jed
Whew.
- Jed
told ya
- Bwana ☠
no foul! crap. crap crap!
- Wayne Sutton
...2-possession game!
- .LAG liked that
Lebron just has to drive
- Bwana ☠
Lewis?
- Jed
why Lewis, why
- Wayne Sutton
don't even put your hand near him but they would have called it on Howard anyway
- Wayne Sutton
The Magic can still go 2 for 1.
- Jed
teammates throw hands to get fouls from howard,it was lewis
- Yunus Tunak
Bwana... he's 6-8, 260+...who's going to stop HIS drive?
- .LAG liked that
need to score here now
- Wayne Sutton
Lewis wasn't even there
- Matthew DeVries
he got him with the body. moving his feet. but this is the playoffs. let it go
- Rodfather
got to make this
- Wayne Sutton
LAG kobe
- Wayne Sutton
HUGE.
- Jed
1 more!
- Wayne Sutton
...if he makes this, it's pro'lly over
- .LAG liked that
i would go for tactical fouls if i was orlando but its not europe
- Yunus Tunak
clutch
- Rodfather
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
- Kenny
yes
- Wayne Sutton
Shaq is in the building.
- Jed
Superman!
- .LAG liked that
whew
- Wayne Sutton
I hope shaq is going for Orlando
- Wayne Sutton
Is Penny on the bench?
- Matthew DeVries
i am a witness.....to 8 turnovers!
- Cee Bee
LOL "i am a witness.....to 8 turnovers! - Cee Bee"
- Wayne Sutton
Mo Williams, 4-point play time.
- Jed
whew, jump ball
- Wayne Sutton
The refs didn't blow it!
- Jed
good d
- Rodfather
haha thats a good call
- Yunus Tunak
...yet.
- Jed
finally a good call
- Wayne Sutton
You gotta feel like such a tool to be a Cav, making James go 1 on 5 on every freakin play.
- Matthew DeVries
ref has to throw down for lebron to get it :D
- Yunus Tunak
>:p
- Kenny
If Cleveland wins the championship, will they put anyone but Jame's name on the plaque?
- Matthew DeVries
That was a great chance for the refs.
- Jed
good call. howard was already on the ground
- Rodfather
yea ziggy
- Kenny
do it
- Kenny
whew, good no call
- Wayne Sutton
prob over, cavs almost wiped if that lebrons last second shot was not :D
- Yunus Tunak
Doug Collins always have flashbacks
- Wayne Sutton
It's sad that we're worrying over the referees more than the actual plays.
- Jed
come on Lewis!
- Wayne Sutton
lewis has to make both frees...
- .LAG liked that
...and now the game...
- .LAG liked that
Jed,.. true, we sound like whiners but the playoffs have been crazy
- Wayne Sutton
stern must've fallen asleep in OT. he's gonna be pissed when he wakes up and sees this score
- Cee Bee
DAMN IT
- Kenny
@Cee Bee lol
- Wayne Sutton
this is a good game
- Rodfather
...I'm a Knicks fan, I'm flashing back to Larry Johnson's 4-point play against the Pacers...
- .LAG liked that
agreed, Rod. I'm not even a fan of either team.
- Admiral Anika
keep dreaming
- Wayne Sutton
*makes L with arms.
- Jed
Grandmama
- Rodfather
no fouls
- Wayne Sutton
oh shizle. what a shot
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
wow
- Wayne Sutton
cue the rock 'n' jock 50 point basket
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...this STILL is not over!
- .LAG liked that
...lewis must make both frees...
- .LAG liked that
crap
- Wayne Sutton
needs to make both
- Rodfather
looong long game 1 in 1 miss for clock? prob. not
- Yunus Tunak
yeah if he makes these foul!
- Wayne Sutton
doh
- Rodfather
Whoa.
- Jed
crap!
- Wayne Sutton
uh-oh!
- .LAG liked that
i'm hurting
- Wayne Sutton
:D
- Kenny
UES
- Kenny
YES
- Kenny
Lebron is going to win it
- Rodfather
Come on lebron
- Kenny
no fouls
- Wayne Sutton
haha
- Rodfather
nO
- Kenny
whew!
- Wayne Sutton
He's not that amazing.
- Jed
good game
- Rodfather
nonononononono
- Kenny
whew!
- Wayne Sutton
/me bears witness to another flameout
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Oh well
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
it would be epic :) good game
- Yunus Tunak
YES!
- Mike Reynolds
he had a good look too
- Rodfather
poor guy
- Daniel J. Pritchett
good Defense
- Wayne Sutton
think he'll leave cleveland now?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I am a witness to an L!
- Wayne Sutton
nonononononononono
- Kenny
imagine how good he would be with even one solid backup
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Whew! this series shoud've been over tonight though, seriously
- Cee Bee
I thought he was leaving regardless a win or loss.
- Jed
who>
- Kenny
40+ pts in another loss, poor guy
- Daniel J. Pritchett
...series is not over. but that was great entertainment!
- .LAG liked that
@Cee Bee true, it should have been a sweep
- Wayne Sutton
I doubt he'll leave Cle
- Rodfather
4-1 i bet
- Yunus Tunak
enjoyed the chat again guys... you all rock! win or lose but glad Orlando won!
- Wayne Sutton
I still think either of these teams could beat the Lakers.
- Admiral Anika
Nice game wow!
- Matt Bebich
Great game, and chat.
- Jed
my dream of chauncey winning another finals mvp is still alive at least
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Same here Anika not with the twin towers
- Matt Bebich
Not likely Cavs will win now. We'll see
- Rodfather
why are you asking Howard about Lebron?
- Wayne Sutton
well
- Daniel J. Pritchett
dwight gets one more T and he's out for a game plus right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yeah
- Matt Bebich
yep. he has 6
- Rodfather
Did you hear? They gotta keep fighting. Cuz it's a fight and that's what they do, keep fighting.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
that would be silly if the magic won 4-1 then dwight had to sit the first game of the finals
- Daniel J. Pritchett
thanks for good thread
- Tracy Benham
it would even be sillier if Lakers went to the finals and Kobe had to sit at the same time. 2 superstars not playing in a final
- Rodfather
Bwana... you doing an unofficial Lakers/Nuggets thread?
- .LAG liked that
good night!
- Wayne Sutton
yup
- Bwana ☠
doing every game from here on out
- Bwana ☠
i like the 2-2-1-1-1 format for early rounds.
- Rodfather
Refresh my mind about the channels. I watched yesterday's game on ESPN. Is that because it's West. Conf. and I'm west coast? I hate watching TNTHD.
- Admiral Anika
that was a real good, exciting game. great game magic! http://i44.tinypic.com/f41pib...
- Cee Bee
Usually it's TNT on tue & thurs
- Rodfather
TNT is way better than BSPN
- Cee Bee
Saturday is TNT too. ABC on Sunday. Rest ESPN
- Rodfather
Ah, thanks for the clarification. ESPNHD looks 100x better than TNTHD on my screen.
- Admiral Anika
I guess it depends. I usually check ESPN Scoreboard to check which channel it's playing on. http://scores.espn.go.com/nba...
- Rodfather
Nike is gonna lose out on a hell of a lot of money if both LA and Cleveland get eliminated.
- Cee Bee
Great thread everyone. See you tomorrow and Wednesday. Live Web at it's best.
- Amani
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very cool except it says i post upwards of 75 posts a day
- Zee.
Seems like they're not out of the alpha testing phase either: Warning: array_slice() expects parameter 1 to be array, null given in /home/content/m/b/o/mbockenstedt/html/feedstats.info/index.php on line 144 Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/content/m/b/o/mbockenstedt/html/feedstats.info/index.php on line 144
- Stephan Osmont
glad to have some stats back. I was thinking of creating something just like this, but now I don't have to. excellent.
- chrisofspades
Tested it, very gooood thank you Zee
- Nimaa
Thanks for the link, Zee, good find. 90.9 posts/day here too. That's prolly not a good thing hahaha
- LANjackal
Stephan: send me a DM about where you found that error and I'll work on it
- Mark Bockenstedt
@Mark, I'm getting those errors too. On /Leech
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Leandro: thanks. a refresh should do the trick. i'll check into it.
- Mark Bockenstedt
Zehra, the top 10 is other people who have liked the same items you have
- Mark Bockenstedt
Abby, that's correct
- Mark Bockenstedt
Nice!
- David Cook
I just checked it out today. Pretty nice.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
mine just brings back errors :(
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
i lied, I just forgot my own username!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
Great feature! Reminds me of the old system just more advanced. Highlights that I don't comment enough around here too ;)
- Nicholas James
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NoooooooooooooooOOO!
- Alejandro
it would seem that he was in a bit of a deteriorating situation
- bob
Qwerty, that's a kitty pole in background cats will climb to the top and if the door is there it's a logical extension. :)
- Steve C
Qwerty, cats. Cats, Qwerty. I have to introduce to you because that comment makes it seem like you've never met a cat before. Cats subscribe to the Everest theory of climbing things.
- Stephen Mack
Cats just have to climb to the top of anything in their environment.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Oops. I think this vid needs "Keyboard Cat" at the end of it!
- Rick Cogley
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List your questions that people ask you all the time that really annoy you.
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When I tell people that I was in the Air Force for 7.5 years, invariably they ask if I flew planes. I was a computer operator and this question is stupid...less than .1% of the people in the Air Force fly planes.
- Alex Scoble
Why doesn't my email work? (I'm a developer, dammit)
- Brett Kelly
Did you get that e-mail I sent you? [which appeared in my inbox a mere 30 seconds before they asked me]
- Akiva Moskovitz
You don't drink?!?
- ♥patricia♥
why aren't you smiling?
- Violet Mae Lim
Is that tattoo real?
- ♥patricia♥
But you don't wash your hair do you? or Can I touch your hair? And the one that makes me cockpunchy: Biracial kids are the best looking, huh?
- Admiral Anika
Ew. Why would you like the Cowboys/Lakers?
- ♥patricia♥
You don't like cheese?!?
- ♥patricia♥
"Is this stuff safe for dogs?" (Whilst standing in a pet bakery) Will also allow: "Is that chocolate? I thought chocolate was bad for dogs" (Again, in a pet bakery)
- Paul Reynolds
How can you NOT like mayo?!?
- ♥patricia♥
Why would you want to put your life out there for people to see?
- ♥patricia♥
Is your baby sleeping through the night yet? (No, she's not. She's a baby.)
- Rochelle
You don't use unit tests?? (Not in a pet bakery)
- Paul Reynolds
"How's your day going?" I mean, if I'm having a bad day, do they really want to know about it?!
- Rick Kaiser
Actually, yes, Rick, I do want to know how your day actually is going when I ask that.
- Alex Scoble
On phone, typing, shuffling papers, walks in... "Are you busy?" [no space for response] Sits down begins talking...
- SAM
Oh yeah, "How could you marry a white man?"
- Admiral Anika
Your baby is so small! She's about a month old, right? (No, she's four months old. I know she's really small. Yes, she's getting enough to eat. Leave us alone about it.)
- Rochelle
"Did those [tattoos] hurt?"
- Brett Kelly
Damn, Anika...how could you? We're WHITE and pasty and WHITE and stuff!
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I get the same question. My answer is that I fly a desk. It gets a funny look until I have to start explaining how many people it takes to support pilots (and each other) in the Air Force.
- CAJ, somewhere else
will you be able to make a payment in any amount this month?
- Morgan Haley
Is that your real name?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Not to mention the people who don't even support pilots. I was stationed at Onizuka Air Base (now Onizuka Air Station) in Sunnyvale, CA. We had no flight line and no pilots. We supported the military's satellite operations.
- Alex Scoble
New one: Is that your Grandson? btw the answer is: no, it's my son and no that's my nanny, i'm only 31 (as of today).
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
How many kids do you have?
- Janet
Can you fix my computer?
- Rodfather
"Wow, you are tall. Do you play basketball?" "No, do you play miniature golf?"
- Alex Scrivener
Wow. You're pale! You don't like to tan?
- ♥patricia♥
Damn! You're short! How short are you?
- ♥patricia♥
LOL @Scrivener. Good comeback.
- Admiral Anika
Oh you're in Political Science, so you're going to be a politician?
- sofarsoShawn
LD, :D. 5'2"
- ♥patricia♥
Short girls are The Cuteness. It's true. I saw it on a tee shirt.
- ♥patricia♥
The most annoying one ever: 'Will you please stop having sex with my wife/girlfriend?' The answer is always, of course, 'No.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
And basically any question that shows very obviously the person hasn't tried to find the answer him/herself. More work related than anything else. Wishing there was a "Let me Google that for you" for real life situations.
- ♥patricia♥
Why must I drink all this water, can I pee yet? *no*, give me five minutes and you can pee, I promise.
- Janet
You really have your hands full, don't you? Usually as my kids are being obnoxious somewhere.
- Heather Solos
Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?
- Glen Mistletoe
In a mall when people ask if I need help finding anything my first thought is "No thank you, I don't need remedial shopping lessons."
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
"Glen Campbell: do you get kidded about that a lot?" — "No, but every single person asks that question."
- Glen Mistletoe
When my hair was different colours, I was always getting asked "Did you know your hair is (colour)?" and "Why did you do that to your hair?" and "Does your mother know you did that?" ... strangely, m9m was almost always with me when I'd get asked that and she'd say "Are you kidding? I picked the colour!"
- Nine
You know, I am presently realizing that I'm so obnoxiously talkative that I don't have any questions that people ask me all the time that annoy me. The questions that ought to annoy me just provoke long lectures directed at the person asking questions. That'll learn 'em fer shure.
- Wirehead
"Which part of Australia are you from?" (I'm South African)
- Philip Tomlinson
Dad, can I borrow your debit card?
- Lorin Olsen
So, where are you from?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Are you gay?
- sofarsoShawn
Do people wear shoes in Mississippi? When did you people get electricity in Mississippi? Did you have a pet alligator when you were a kid in Mississippi? Can you teach me to play banjo? Are you in the Klan?
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Did you grow up in Mississippi, Tad?
- Alex Scoble
Jandy? How do you spell that?
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Yes, Alex. Grew up in Vicksburg, population 25,000. The Gibraltar of the Confederacy.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
T - H - A - T - you did just fine, Yandee!
- WorldofHiglet
do you have more than one wife. *cringe*
- Joshua Schnell
And the answer to Lorins Q should always be NO! The Idea gives me nightmares, I have enough trying to keep track of my hubs and I n our finances... UG!
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
I think every Mormon man must get that question outside of Utah. That's pretty old and played out. Better stereotypical questions to ask Mormons: How often do you watch Lawrence Welk reruns? Do you like to put mayonnaise on everything? Is your other car a minivan too? Would you like a beer? A coke? Cup of coffee? (certainly no offense meant)
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
What does Lawrence Welk have to do with the Mormons?
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I was at Oz from 94-98 working on the second floor of the Blue Cube. Small world. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
I was there in the AF from 89 to 95 at the Base Com SCIF and as a contractor in the LAN shop from 96 to 98.
- Alex Scoble
The location based ones remind me of this conversation I always have: "Are you from Jamaica or NYC?" No, I'm from Kansas CIty. "You're from Kansas?" No, Kansas CITY. "So, did you like live on a farm with corns and cows?" SHOOT ME.
- Admiral Anika
Alex, do you shop at Whole Foods?
- Cristo
Edited because Chris ruined the organically created joke.
- Alex Scoble
No pesticides were used in his joke.
- Cristo
1. tell me what questions people ask you all the time that really annoy you.
- Jim Hearts FF
Edited because Chris ruined the organically created joke.
- Alex Scoble
Is that near London? (When telling Americans I'm from Portsmouth, England.)
- Mark H
Alex, do you prefer organic cucumbers or zucchinis for that usage?
- Cristo
People who don't know me but start emails with "How are you?". That said, I do it to people I don't know too...
- Martin Bryant
Cristo, sounds like he has a firm grasp on it.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Are you Kiefer Sutherland?
- sofarsoShawn
Oh, lately, all variations of baby food questions are irritating me. "What is her favorite food so far?" (Breastmilk. She hasn't had food yet.) "Are you going to make your own baby food or buy jars?" (We're not feeding her any baby food.) "Why haven't you given her rice cereal yet?" (Uh, no. Just no.)
- Rochelle
"Do you know who you look like?" No good ever comes from the conversation that follows. Also, agree on the Air Force / Pilot question. Especially as I tell people I was *enlisted* in the Air Force.
- The Letter M
"Where are your pants?"
- CAJ, somewhere else
How short are you?
- YoYo_P
Do you work here?
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
from fftogo
"We did WHAT last night?"
- Steven Perez
"What´s the matter?! Tell me!" (my mother, any time I pause for just a moment during a conversation)
- Thomas Bøhm
"What?"
- Josh Haley
I had my nose pierced in 2001 when I first moved to the Bay Area. People who have known me since then occasionally ask me if I just had my nose pierced. Sheesh.
- Lisa L. Seifert
You don't eat pork at all? Are you Jewish? How can you not eat catfish/shrimp/lobster?
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
from fftogo
the internet is down. can you fix it?
- Carlos Ayala
Do they speak English in the land of What?
- Alex Scoble
Did you get a perm?
- Rodfather
"Have you read all those books?" nah - I buy 'em by the truckload because I want my floors to collapse.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I can't connect to the network, what's going on? I can't print. Can you fix it? The printer is out of ink, do we have more? (the last one kills me because it's not a question of whether we have more but whether I will go in and change it. and they know the answer is No but they still ask)
- ♥patricia♥
Alex, my dad did the satellite stuff in the Air Force from Sunnyvale, too! A lot earlier than you did, I'm sure...during Vietnam.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Nice! My dad also worked across the street at Lockheed for 28 years.
- Alex Scoble
what was life like back before the internet?
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
Jandy! You're stepping all over my special Alex-Alan bond. :P
- CAJ, somewhere else
"I know you hate drive-bys but..." (said to me peering over my makeshift wall around my desk in the corner of a room that's at the corner of the building)
- metalerik
Did you know that there's a David Cook who won American Idol?
- David Cook
I hope you act surprised to hear this question David!
- Janet
Two: "Did your tattoos, hurt?" (as pointed out by others) And, "Are you sure you're gay" or "When did you know you were gay?"
- Derrick
"You're not going to eat all of that, are you?"
- Aron Michalski
"What are you doing?" (when they're looking right at me)
- Karoli
"You're tall, aren't you?"
- matthew
@jlt-Janet, I have done that a couple times. =D It's funny because then they start explaining who he is. The best one I got was almost a direct quote from Office Space. "David Cook??? You mean like that singer guy?"
- David Cook
Oh, the other one is "How is your name pronounced?" I know it's weird, but you'd be amazed at the convoluted things folks come up with. Standard response: "rhymes with merrily", I say, as I glare. :)
- Karoli
And now I have the song "Keroli, Keroli, Keroli, Keroli, life is but a dream" stuck in my head, thanks!
- Alex Scoble
Are you Santa Clause?
- Brent - Loving Life
You're sweating; were you in a hurry? Does it rain outside?
- Ton Zijp
Are you my dadddy?
- Steve C
Alex: trust me, you're not the first. :)
- Karoli
"Why do you look so angry all the time?"
- Michelle Martinez
what are you/where are you from?
- chrisofspades
You know Coke is bad for you right?
- ♥patricia♥
How do you like being "Mister Mom"
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Not a question but still bugs me: "You know you really should try to get some sleep." Really? You think? And here I thought it was a good thing to be up for 24 hours every other day.
- ♥patricia♥
"How tall are you?" "Do you have to buy special clothes?" "So where do you get you clothes from?" (Because, obviously, average height people need to know where to buy clothes for tall people. Maybe it's for gifting reasons - damn!) Oh - and of course - "Can you fix my computer?" "I think I have a virus and I can't find any of my files, will you find them for me?"
- Andy Bold
What nationatlity are you? Are you part japanese or Hawaiian? Why don't you have an accent in English or Spanish? Why are you always standing up for a cause? Your implants look great, who did them? Do you get botox? (The answer is no I'm not part Japanese or Hawaiian. I don't know why I don't have an accent. I don't have breast implants and I don't do botox. And as for why I stand up for a cause? Because the world isn't just about YOU and you have to look out for others). ; )
- Adriana
Brother, calling me on his cellphone: "Are you on the internet just now?" followed by a request to look something up on a map, do his flight checkin. It wouldn't irritate so if I actually heard from him in, you know, other contexts.
- Susan A. Kitchens
"You left California to move here!? Why?</indignant>" ~Just tell me what you want to hear so I can get this over with.
- Micah Wittman
Is your middle name "Lee" ?
- Dave Roth
Why do you talk white?
- Bwana ☠
Is your wife white?
- Bwana ☠
Do you have a job?
- Bwana ☠
How did you get that computer?
- Bwana ☠
Need I go on? lol
- Bwana ☠
Do you play football?
- Bwana ☠
"Where are you from ?" - Irritating, because I've lived outside my 'home' country all my life, and the place where I live as an expatriate considers me just that - a foreigner.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Some of those are just awful! As background, I'm Caucasian and my wife is Japanese. I get: "Oh, you speak Japanese so well!" Me: "Thanks, I get by." Them: "Are you married to a Japanese?" Me: "Yes... (here it comes again)" Them: "Ohhhhh, _that_'s why you speak Japanese so well!" $%%&$%##!!!!
- Rick Cogley
A couple of times when our kids were small, we got: "Oh, those kids are so cute!" Then, looking at my wife: "Are you the nanny?" JEEZ!
- Rick Cogley
Why isn't my computer working?
- Hugh Ashton
When are you two having children?
- Russellreno
Ah yes. "But don't you *want* to have children?"
- ♥patricia♥
My name is Carlton. When I meet people these 2 questions are inevitable: "Like on the Fresh Prince?" And..."Can you do the Carlton Dance?". Yes, like on the Fresh Prince...and NO. I cannot.
- Carlton Hackett
"Mind if I let the dogs out while you conduct our land survey?"
- wyclif
"Is that a real tattoo?"
- Dawn
"Why would they do that?" When someone is told the '19 hijackers' story does not cover the bases and obviously some other powerful group - more powerful than guys from the desert, had to be the true criminals....Another one, not too informed or well thought out: "But what happened to the passengers?"
- Marg Uerite
"You read comics/watch cartoons?...how old are you?" As though comics are meant for children (think Watchmen, Y: The Last Man) or cartoons either (Family Guy, ATHF, Dethklok).
- Carlton Hackett
"Why are you a vegetarian?" and "Don't you have deficiency problems?" The first question sometimes sounds like "Are you a crazy hippie or did you have to quit eating meat for health reasons". And I'm perfectly healthy, thank you.
- Brome
Don't you want to be a grandmother? (Like it's my decision.)
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
When are you going to make us a grand baby? ;o)
- Paul Reynolds
"How do you get your hair like that?" <-- this question doesn't bother me. It's the follow up questions that come in rapid succession and are usually asked with a measure of disbelief: "So you don't do anything to it?" (No.) "No texturizer?" (No.) "No chemicals?" (No.) "No nothing?" (That's what I said the first 5 times)
- tiffany
"Where are you from?" "So, you don't speak Spanish?" "Is one of your parents white?"
- tiffany
Would you do me?
- sofarsoShawn
"Why don't you speak Spanish?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
"Where are you from?" "What kind of name is that?" "Why don't you speak____________?" (I get Spanish a lot as well). "Why don't you do something with your hair?" "Do you believe in God?" "Are you _________?" (Italian, Mexican, Jewish, et. al.)
- Helen Sventitsky
"how do you get so skinny?" - I''d never ask you how you got so fat so zip it!!
- Charlotte M
"Can you fix my webmail?" Double Annoyance Score when asked by a pretty girl I'm talking to in a bar. Also see "Can you change my grades?" Inevitably she gets turned off and I go home alone to be left to my Thunder in Paradise episodes and Weather Channel music.
- Jared Smith
Why aren't you married yet?
- Amani
And this is one i get living in California --> "Where is Maryland"? SMH
- Amani
Why are you such a gorgeous specimen of man?
- sofarsoShawn
"When are you going to find a nice girl and get married?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
"When are you going to lose some weight?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
"Why do you spend some much time playing on that computer?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
Why are your farts so putrid they make me want to vomit in my mouth?
- sofarsoShawn
"Can you take the dog for a walk?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
When are you going to graduate and what are you doing when you graduate? What do you do all day on the computer? What is Twitter?
- Justin Yost
"Are you still watching those Japanese cartoons?"
- Steven Perez
from IM
Why do you keep commenting on that frigg'n drama llama post?
- sofarsoShawn
Are you OK? Do you want me to pull out?
- Sparky
Sparky, Sparky, Sparky.....
- WorldofHiglet
lol, I'm with you on that one Higlet - Sparky Sparky Sparky *shaking my head*
- Kim
"What's for dinner?" ...dont know, what you are cooking?
- Kreg Weiss
Is that real? Did it hurt? Is it still there under your hair? Do you regret it?
- Head Ov Metal
"What are you?" in regards to my background.
- *Tiffany Diamond*
Are you really asian? So do you know martial arts then?
- imabonehead
Oh another one: Are you THE Bwana?
- Bwana ☠
Redneck Fire Alarm
Ladybug Heather, Christopher Harley, Head Ov Metal and 48 other people liked this
okay, snorted coffee through my nose when I finally figured it out. Love it!
- Janet
I'll get the butter!
- Morgan Haley
that is awsome! :)
- (jeff)isageek
ya reckon'?
- Josh Haley
Here's the sales pitch: ya see, what choo got right here is your classic 'jiffy pop' dee-vyse. I used a 16 penny nail, driven by my Craftsman FrameMaster 4000 hammer (just got it for my birthday), and I hung-i-fied the dee-vyse up at a 87.3 degree angle, so its wonts be fallin' off. When the flames get the little guy hot enough, he's gonna swell up and pop all over the place. It's hoped...
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- Morgan Haley
Yep, Sean D and I were wondering how the heck we could get past the popcorn, all things considered. Maybe we need to nail up two or three?
- Niki Roberts Haley
Mmmm. Jiffy Pop decorating is next. :)
- Trish Haley
Hah!
- Rick Cogley
*dead*
- jbrotherlove
ha-Ha!
- Micah Wittman
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HealingBrush, Glenn Slaven, mikepk and 270 other people liked this
Zoooooooooooom
- Simon Wicks
höhhöhöööööööytt :)))
- Mücahit Yılmaz
cooooooooooool
- irfan ÖZTÜRK
HOW did you post this animated gif?
- Brad Williamson
Now THAT is a racing snail.
- Jennifer Dittrich
The Neverending Storrrrrryyyyy.......... Zoom!
- Daynah
more than meets the eye? snails in disguise?
- chrisofspades
Haha that was great.
- Alp
I really hope they make a Pixar movie out of this. :)
- Daynah
Awesome work!!
- Praveen Vasudev
EPIC
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
woooooow!
- marika
Awesome!
- AJ Batac
Excellento!
- Chris Loft
Go turbo-snail!
- Rick Cogley
OH SNAP
- Alfredo
Haha! Nice.
- zephyrlily
haha! super snail!
- Michael
that's awesome!
- Brandon
epic
- Duncan Riley
Very cool! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
lolol
- Caroline
Too funny :)
- Nir Ben Yona
One word: Upgrade.
- Bwana ☠
look at him goooooo
- ♥ Stephiepooos ♥
My son will love this.
- Hutch Carpenter
Brilliant!
- mlazopoulou
awesome!
- (jeff)isageek
How Ingenious!!
- Mike Andric
look at that escargot :)
- Stephanie Segel
Stephanie, Bwana - haha!
- Micah Wittman
Wow................................................
- Brucebot
I hope to one day see something like this happen in real life.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
yo, this snail's got this sh*t together! mad impressive.
- Freddie Benjamin
哈哈，鸟枪换大炮
- 阿石
Epic Snail!
- Berkin Bozdoğan
Bumping this again as this is class! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Fssssiiiiiihhhh... Vroaaaaarrrrrhhhhhhh....
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Confirming that my kids loved this. 2 1/2 old Annika couldn't get enough of it.
- Hutch Carpenter
Swinging from Web to Web 2.0 !!!!!
- pierangelo carbone
Another bump, if a cat on a fax machine can get 685 likes here: http://ff.im/2dD0Q then this can get more! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Perhaps if you changed out the snail for a cute kitty
- Moved to Facebook
Ditto to all replies!
- Mark Harai
AWESOME! Next he'll go to Warp 5.
- Zach Flauaus
I'm to fear !
- Filiz Benera
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